It was a thing of beauty watching Shad get giddy as a school girl, while Tryanth looked like he regretted his life decisions that lead to this momment. It was like he had remorse for building the weapon that would destroy the world.
The only thing asidy from the steel quality that I'd have to say is that it would have beem nice to keep the Handle's aestetic, but I guess the Pommel would end up having to be custommade and youd potentially end up having to unwrap it every time you try to take it off.
How fitting that when you mix Japanese and European bladesmithing, you get a weapon that looks straight out of Persia. Even geographically, it's a middle ground between both civilisations. 😁
You are not very good with geografy, are you? 😂 I mean, yeah Persia is sort of between but Azia... Azia is huge. It wouldnt be anywhere near the middel 😂 not even close 😅😅
@@bielinskibartosz7099 Better than you are at English 😏 Also better than you at geograPHy too. Or did you forget that the old Silk Route ran _exactly_ through the Persian region? Do you really believe they circumnavigated India? Braved the Gobi desert to pass through Mongol/Slavic territories? Please.
The lack of Iron on the Japanese islands was a driving reason for only using Iron for Blades and other vital items, hence bamboo and paper armors, Shad this is quite possibly what the Katana would have been had resources been abundant.
Doesn't seem to be the case since china and Korea had plenty of iron but also felt it was wasteful and heavy to use up so much iron on the accessory pieces of the sword.
@@trevtall1094 um............. your aware he thinks the katana is good and awesome already, yes? like in literally countless videos he says this, LITERALLY any of them. he says time and time ans time and time again they are awesome and good swords. but people like YOU dont listen to that. all you hear is "BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAH, issues with katana, BLAH BLAH BLAH, it could be improved by, BLAH BLAH BLAH, European sword is better in.... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH." thats literally what people like you hear so you NEVER hear him praise the katana for the strengths it has, so you just assume(or lie) that he thinks its dumb and not good, when that is not the case.
@@danielwesley5051 Well accurately his buddy solve and even that guy knew what hell he unleashed. It's cursed simply because of that bulging pommel whereas I've seen Katanas that have pommels already made by China and Korea from stealing Katanas from pirates with the help of Japan. Although they kept the tsuba there's already a natural bigger tsuba already before but not as long as the cross guard
I agree. I am waiting for the Shadiversity glamor calendar featuring Tyranth oiled and bare to the world, a strategically placed broadsword covering his manhood, little Shad Cherubs polishing the thick long blade.
Someone already pointed it out I see. But THIS is what The Heron Mark Blade is supposed to look like, which they got just as wrong as everything else in that abominable tv-show they had the audacity to call Wheel of Time.
I Imagine it more like the two handed falchion they have, but this is far better then what's in the actual show. The issue I find with this one is that it's too short on my opinion.
What Tyron and Shad don't realize is that they've essentially made a slightly more book accurate version of the Heron Mark Sword from the Wheel of Time than the version we saw in the series.
"Middle eastern vibes", Shad gave me EXACTLY the words I needed to explain the impression this sword gave me. It's interesting that when combining elements from two distant cultures, you end up with something that looks a lot like what the cultures geographically between those two produced!
The middle east and Japan has a lot of aspects that are similar. For example, they have swords that have a hard to replicate alloys. Also from what I heard, the tune of Arab music and modern Japanese music is similar.
Poor Tyranth. Interesting that his edge alignment went to cock because his brain was telling him "katana" whereas Shad simply regarded it as a sword and so kept his edge alignment.
Not necessarily heron marked, but this is obsoletely the standard design of a sword from the Wheel of Time series, the sort of sword one would use when practicing to become a blademaster (which one would have to do before becoming worthy of a heron marked blade.)
@@KASHKUR_7.62 Messers vary a lot. Most commonly they would probably have a slight curve with a bit wider of a body and a fuller, but this would not be out of place.
This looks great! I'm going to describe this as an infantry sword in the stories I'm writing, though short enough to be used one-handed meant to be used alongside a medium round shield.
Y'know, the funny thing is this feels like it should be completely cursed, but at the same time it honestly looks like something where given enough experimentation this could become a genuinely badass weapon. Also this is unrelated, Tyranth's beard game is on point.
New D&D character: Tyranth, the deeply conflicted artificer he despises all his creations. "The craftsmanship is fine, but I didn't feel good about it."😂
Just watched a video where a katana master used a long sword. Said he liked the pommel for the extra control but didn’t like the cross guard because if interfere with his form.
I love the sheer happiness that Shad has testing out Tyranth's creations - both the falchion and now the katana remakes have been my favorite videos to watch just because Shad acts like a little kid on christmas morning, it's great~
When Japan opened back up in the 1860s, the first thing they did to the katana was start to stick modern (at that time) sabre hilts on them, just look up Japanese officers swords from any of the wars they fought from the 1870s onward. Also prior to Japan closing itself off they exported their sword blades to the surrounding countries and they put their own style of hilt on them.
That's less for a tactical reason and more for trying to emulate western powers as much as possible. Japanese court swords in that period look near indistinguishable from European smallswords. The Japanese also began eating beef and other prohibited foods to try to gain larger physique. More just an entire general trend in trying to emulate western culture. It's really not because sabers guards are vastly superior to katana handles. I mean, this is far into the age of guns. Whatever sword the officer is carrying is really not going to matter a whole lot. And by this logic, the traditional katana should be considered the "superior" design as a wave of nationalism in the WW2 period caused the military to issue out traditional-styled Japanese swords over western-styled sabers.
@@andrewli6606 I mean... they are though. Any guard is better than the tsuba since it, you know, isn't a guard. All it is for is to prevent the hand from slipping off the handle onto the blade when you thrust.
@@ShiningDarknes The point is that the switch wasn't due to a tactical reason, but for a cultural reason. Swords are near obsolete by this point. It really doesn't matter what sword the military officer is wielding. Having a guard isn't gonna save you from bullets and the vast majority of opponents in a melee will be wielding longer bayonets. A sword with a larger guard is more cumbersome to wear. Sabers less so, but still something to consider. We're not gonna say the switch back to a traditional katana design during the WW2 period was due to the katana being a better design against machine guns.
@@ShiningDarknesform follows function, disc guards are the way they are because that's what's best for the way the swords they were on were used. If you just slap a new guard in a blade(and fencing system) that wasn't designed with it in mind you're just going to end up with a weapon that behaves differently and is less useful ti the swordsman that was trained to use something else.
@@leonardomarquesbellini Not quite, I mean having a cross guard doesn't impede the function at all. The reason they didn't bother with cross-guards was the katana was never a primary weapon, pure and simple. You were not intended to clash blades so no cross guard. You know that they used it for? Killing poorly armed and unarmored peasants and going around after a battle to stab all the bodies to make sure they aren't faking. That and they were status symbols. It isn't like they didn't have cross-gauds, I mean they put them on pole-weapons. Not all of them, sure, heck not even most of them but the idea of a gross-guard was not foreign to them and what did they put it on? Their primary melee weapon, polearms. I mean ultimately the bow was the samurai's primary weapon so the katana is like third or fourth.
I remember my fellow kendoka friend used to tell me people hid weights in the handles of their shinai for this exact reason of having more counterbalance and shifting the balance. Very interesting, he told me whoever did that made those shinai illegal for use in tournaments as well.
'Katana +' is the perfect name as the Cross Guard literally gives it a + sign shape. God I want to show this to a handful of Japanese Katana makers and see whether or not they surprise me by saying 'Interesting,' or what I expect 'This is why we expelled the barbarians.'
Seeing shad squealing with excitement like a schoolgirl with the Eurtana (European katana) is just... adorable and honestly, that alone should have made the 'pain' of creating this that Tironph went through worth it.
As a practitioner myself I can tell you it goes against most of the fundamental ways the katana works. You swing powered from the tanden (core) and you largely let the forward weight pull the blade extending your arms like a pendulum to create a circular motion. THIS is basically a scimitar with a katana blade at this point
On top of the issues with balance another person mentioned above, the big crossguard is going to get in the way and possibly get entangled with opponent's armor/clothing if you try close-range draw cuts. Which are an important part of kenjitsu repertoire. Overall, this "remake" is... very far from ideal. Because of lack of understanding of the original design choices and the reasons behind them. Yes, of course you could still use it for kenjitsu. It is just less optimal. It is inferior as a katana and it is inferior as a kriegmesser (because the blade geometry is wrong). Just pick up a proper kriegmesser if you want one. You need to be very careful with the assumption that you can outsmart years and years of perfecting weapon designs when lives truly depended on them. Most likely, if you think "it is so easy to make this better", it comes from a lack of understanding.
Honestly, this reminds me of the artistic rendering for the heron-marked sword from The Wheel of Time. I always thought it was katana-esque, and this video validates the design.
Lawyer: "Tyranth, you need to understand that the legal system really does take the abuse of employees seriously; but to help you we need to get a sense of what happened so we can build a case. What did Shad make you do that was clearly so traumatic...?" Tyranth: **Shivering in the corner, staring a thousand miles into the wall**
@@delfinenteddyson9865aesthetically I also prefer the disc guard, but if I had to fight with a sword, I'd prefer more hand protection. Not a fan of a cross guard on a katana, wishing they went with something that still gives off katana vibes. Perhaps some extensions to a disc guard?
I find that sword beautiful, gorgeous. Combining two cultures into a singular sword. I don't know but I would see that European katana sword as an legendary weapon made in an anime or something.
There is actually an anime where the MC gets both katana and longsword, has to decide which to choose, and just decides "meh" and magically fuses them into one another, creating a kriegsmesser. Pretty cool. Name of the anime is 'Chrome shelled regios'
A very intriguing customization indeed. As far as names go I’d say it’s still a katana, but it is not a nihontō. All katana really means in Japanese is a single-edged blade, whereas nihontō specifies that the sword is Japanese
If you classify the weapon by its place of origin and time of creation, rather than its geometry and function, then this is clearly a contemporary steel-edged boomerang :D
This is a really good example of how personal preference and bias can affect perception. The sword was equally functional before and after the modifications, but one loved the changes and the other hated them. For one it felt like the culmination of what a katana was meant to be and for the other, it felt like a bastardization. It's really interesting to see.
It really looks like a shamshir with a handle long enough for two hands! Shamshirs are one of my favorite curved swords, and they don't get discussed enough!
I like this build. Reminds me of the Chikage katana from Bloodborne; a weapon made by western knights based on their understanding of a "foreign weapon" they once saw but using their own materials, design and assembly methods.
From what i've gathered from le youtube exploration, Katanas are usually topheavy because you aren't really supposed to manoeuvre them manually. Rather, gravity and momentum plus the shape of the curve affecting the blade direction does most of the work for you, leading to a suuuuper clean and heavy cut. This most resembles a katana that a student would use, because less experienced people find it better to have a more bottom-heavy Katana. Although, in this case, this particular katana is SUUUPER bottom heavy, lending itself to an entirely different fighting style.
I love this! A cutty blade (Katanas are cutters, you can stab with them, but they aren't truly made for that), some hand protection, better maneuverability (note: I've held Katanas before - for example my cousin owns one because he's very deeply into martial arts (the guy has several black belts - including Ju-Jutsu and Aikido) - and yes, they are top-heavy and remind me of a machete, more than a sophisiticated blade)...I'd love to see you build that from the ground up and maybe give it even better hand-protection (like say what you get with a Rapier or a heavy Cavalry-Saber!) :)
It is after all how the wide variety of swords came to be. Just some random swordsmith trying something different. If it worked, people liked it and copied it.
Mihawk is a half decent name for a sword type. The Scimitar, the Katana, the Falchion, the Mihawk. Maybe a line of them would be the Minihawk, Mihawk, and Granhawk.
In the Wheel of Time, Robert Jordan already added a crossguard to the Katana and that is what the Heron Marked swords looked like. The wrap was changed to be most european style solid wood, with a leather wrap, or felt wrap. IF you look online you can find hundreds of examples of RJ's swords.
Honestly this feels like a sort of combination between a scimitar and bastard sword, especially hearing you talk about how easy it is to wield in one hand as well as two hands. Considering the length of the blade overall as well as the handle construction in relation to it, I think this is a really fascinating sword design, and despite how incredibly cursed it is in concept, the finished product turned out very good.
I want one. I really do. The reasons are as you stated, so there's no point to elaborating this time. Edit: it's not inherently a Scimitar or Katana. It's a modern abomination, and I love it almost as much as you do. Not because I think that it's a perfected Katana (which I don't), but because it's a cultureless hybrid weapon that shouldn't work but does.
I think the medieval megapack mod for Blade And Sorcery has something like this in it. Pretty sure they call it the Bastard Saber. Its described as what would happen if a blacksmith from the west got his hands on a blade from the east.
When Tyranth said "this sort of content" I heard it as "this sword of content" and now I kind of want to see a dedicated sword build and name it "The Sword of Content", which would probably turn into jokes like "No one is prepared for this Sword of Content!" or "My Sword of Content is better than your Sword of Content!"
Swordsmanship and the development of an art style are part of why the katana is designed this way. Also it's a sword meant to suit the average adult Japanese male. The handle would be shorter because they typically have smaller hands. They swing with the frame of the skeleton and not just the arm and hips being why the blade is top heavy. You should bring a Japan swordsman and get his take on the modification it would be very educational.
Yes, I feel like with the differences added, any user using traditional technique would have to change/adapt to the newer blade, functionally creating a different swordsmanship style
They have to contact Shogo : he made a video where a katana master tried a broadsword for the first time. His take on this weapon would be very interesting.
Finally someone did this!! I would love to see a katana blade with a saber guard or d guard. It’s a beautiful piece and would love to see a one handed version.
As a hobbyist blacksmith, I really appreciate the skill that goes into making and modifying a sword. Well done, as always! And especially well done on Tyranth's part. I understand Tyranth that taking apart or changing a finished product that you love, and changing things is hard. But the end product is EPIC. Maybe a little steel/brass plate in between the handle and the pommel would've been a bit of a fine addition, but that's just nitpicking on my part.
This build seems like something you'd see in a movie right before the final battle scene in a movie about a medieval knight who gets stuck in feudal Japan.
It feels like Shad and Tyranth are two sides of the internet. One is all about the traditional look and feel of the katana while the other is more accepting of the change. While I do love the sleek and more simplistic look of the Katana I do like my cross guards and pommels. Balance aside having more hand protection is never a bad decision in my book so I would approve of the change. As experimentation is the mother of all inivations.
As much as I know this tore at Tyranth's soul, I think it turned out super cool. I had the same ideas when you were building it that the pommel would balance the sword better for one hand. I always enjoy the mad scientist vs engineer type discussions with these builds 😂
This was solid! Even when I was younger and had more of a bias for katanas, I often wondered what it'd be like if somebody put a crossguard on one, but never came across any examples where it was done and didn't have the knowledge or resources to try it myself. I'm not disappointed at all, may not go as far as saying it's an improvement since all sword/weapon styles are good for their intended purpose, but it's absolutely a bad ass evolution.
This is why I got a synthetic kriegsmesser to bring to local kendo schools. It really lets you test the differences between European and Japanese techniques with essentially the same blade.
I think this mixture of East and West is very nice. I am actually curious, what would be interesting is if you could somehow make a disc guard, but have the longer cross guards at the end of two sides of disc. You would have to machine that.
I was thinking maybe modifying the tsuba by stretching it out so it has dimensions similar to a European cross-guard but is still a "disc," if much more ovular. Would have to make it thicker, probably, but that'd probably be good for shifting the balance down.
Katana is Done, what’s next ?
Zweihander
Any Dao. I don’t particularly care which one. 😂
Naginata cross Bec de Corbin.
....and so a Barstana was born.
@@floridman2792yes
Shad's overflowing happy excitement and Tyranth's unfeigned disgust are hilarious together.
One man's favorite sword, another man's most disgusting abomination. I love the contrast in reactions to it.
It was a thing of beauty watching Shad get giddy as a school girl, while Tryanth looked like he regretted his life decisions that lead to this momment. It was like he had remorse for building the weapon that would destroy the world.
@@ostrowulf This was basically Tyranth's "I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" Oppenheimer moment.
The only thing asidy from the steel quality that I'd have to say is that it would have beem nice to keep the Handle's aestetic, but I guess the Pommel would end up having to be custommade and youd potentially end up having to unwrap it every time you try to take it off.
lawful good vs chaotic good
How fitting that when you mix Japanese and European bladesmithing, you get a weapon that looks straight out of Persia. Even geographically, it's a middle ground between both civilisations. 😁
Well that can't be a coincidence
@@jesperaung8592 Definitely not.
It's a happy little accident.
You are not very good with geografy, are you? 😂 I mean, yeah Persia is sort of between but Azia... Azia is huge. It wouldnt be anywhere near the middel 😂 not even close 😅😅
@@bielinskibartosz7099
Better than you are at English 😏
Also better than you at geograPHy too. Or did you forget that the old Silk Route ran _exactly_ through the Persian region? Do you really believe they circumnavigated India? Braved the Gobi desert to pass through Mongol/Slavic territories? Please.
Tyranth: I have made an abomination.
Shad: This blade speaks to me, like a long lover, we are united together forever.
The katanitar
The scimitana
Now we need to do the opposite, a longsword with a katana hilt and guard.
Somehow "long lover" works better than "long lost lover" here.
wrggg
The lack of Iron on the Japanese islands was a driving reason for only using Iron for Blades and other vital items, hence bamboo and paper armors, Shad this is quite possibly what the Katana would have been had resources been abundant.
or just call the blade "Landsknecht", done since 16th century
Doesn't seem to be the case since china and Korea had plenty of iron but also felt it was wasteful and heavy to use up so much iron on the accessory pieces of the sword.
@@jason200912ur talking about china and korea when a katana is from japan😂
@@sevmisko lookup china's and koreas version of the katana.
@@jason200912 bruh, still can't grasp the point? this comment way above us is literally talking about japan, how u jumpin countries man, jeez
I can’t believe you failed to talk about the biggest reason why this is THE PERFECT sword: you can quickly unscrew the pommel and end them rightly!
It has a built in missile weapon for those pesky times you enemy is all the way over there, where you can't reach him to get all stabby.
Skallagrim has entered the chat.
What's more, since it still has the bamboo pins under the wrap, you can end them rightly without fearing about the entire handle falling apart
@@wutmagna7222 Even better!
Are you familiar to me? Have we met on some ancient battlefield?
The cackle from shad as he realizes the top levels of bait he has just unleashed on the sword community.😂
Nah he just thinks adding a screwable pommel makes the katana awesome
He’s solved the biggest weakness of the katana, now you can end them rightly with it!
@@trevtall1094 um............. your aware he thinks the katana is good and awesome already, yes? like in literally countless videos he says this, LITERALLY any of them. he says time and time ans time and time again they are awesome and good swords. but people like YOU dont listen to that.
all you hear is "BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAH, issues with katana, BLAH BLAH BLAH, it could be improved by, BLAH BLAH BLAH, European sword is better in.... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH." thats literally what people like you hear so you NEVER hear him praise the katana for the strengths it has, so you just assume(or lie) that he thinks its dumb and not good, when that is not the case.
@@danielwesley5051 Well accurately his buddy solve and even that guy knew what hell he unleashed. It's cursed simply because of that bulging pommel whereas I've seen Katanas that have pommels already made by China and Korea from stealing Katanas from pirates with the help of Japan. Although they kept the tsuba there's already a natural bigger tsuba already before but not as long as the cross guard
@@trevtall1094Well great balance does have an amazing effect on handling/agility.
Tyranth is such a boon to this channel. His skillset really allows for a level of experimentation that you just can't find elsewhere.
He feels like that kind of sidekick that will leave the channel to create his own in a few years
@@pimi8522 He has his own channel already.
I agree. I am waiting for the Shadiversity glamor calendar featuring Tyranth oiled and bare to the world, a strategically placed broadsword covering his manhood, little Shad Cherubs polishing the thick long blade.
Oz was a great lad, but Tyranth is a massive upgrade in utility.
I ready this as "Skillet" not skillset
I like how Shad just loves the sword while Tyranth hates it. I find that so funny
Tyranth: This went horribly wrong
Shad: THIS WENT HORRIBLY RIGHT
Someone already pointed it out I see. But THIS is what The Heron Mark Blade is supposed to look like, which they got just as wrong as everything else in that abominable tv-show they had the audacity to call Wheel of Time.
agreed this is roughly what i think if when imagining the heron mark blades
Exactly this! That's what my mind went to the moment I saw it in the thumbnail!
I always imagined the heron marked blade as something more like a kriegsmesser, until I saw this. You're right, this is perfect.
I Imagine it more like the two handed falchion they have, but this is far better then what's in the actual show. The issue I find with this one is that it's too short on my opinion.
Did anyone on the production team of that disaster bother to read ANY of the books?
I just love the contrast of Shads excitement and Tyranths disgust. “Now I am become Tyranth, the destroyer of swords.”
This.... completely this.
Oppenheimer reference?
@@Crustabone yes!
Masamune is watching from the afterlife and taking either side. He's either rolling in his grave or excited by the innovation.
@@Crustaboneso you mean a historical reference seeing as how it's a real quote they used?
I love the dichotomy between the two of them. Childish excitement on one side and utter disgust on the other 😂😂
As a katana enjoyer I am ashamed to admit that this is one of the coolest things I’ve witnessed
I had a character who had a katana which I switched out for more capable swords and now I'm gonna write him using this shit PFF
Agreed 💯
you take an awesome thing and remove its faults. is it not more awesome?
I love the traditional Katana look too but this is just so freaking sick
it looks so fucking sick. the guard really made it look bended despite being a regular ol katana.
holy sht i want to dual wield it.
What Tyron and Shad don't realize is that they've essentially made a slightly more book accurate version of the Heron Mark Sword from the Wheel of Time than the version we saw in the series.
Just commented this - rereading the series atm, good times
Literally "Anubis" stand, thats what the sword looks like also
@@Amin-al-Husseini_1941pictureon some angles and shots in the anime it looks curved but Anubis is actually straight
That's exactly what I was thinking! So good to see it in the comments. Loved Rand's sword
Yeah, I came here to comment the same thing. It’s explicitly described quite like this in Origins of the Wheel of Time.
The wheel of time is the goat.
"Middle eastern vibes", Shad gave me EXACTLY the words I needed to explain the impression this sword gave me. It's interesting that when combining elements from two distant cultures, you end up with something that looks a lot like what the cultures geographically between those two produced!
Well you see a curved blade with a crossguard and you think about a tulwar, shamshir or kilij.
The middle east and Japan has a lot of aspects that are similar. For example, they have swords that have a hard to replicate alloys.
Also from what I heard, the tune of Arab music and modern Japanese music is similar.
I definitely couldn't stop thinking "Anubis".
Maybe cause it's in the middle of the east.
4:26
"Supporting the channel to make this *_sword_* of content."
I'm not sure if that was intentional, but it is a really good pun!
I love how Tyranth is disgusted by the abomination he created and Shad's basically waving it around going "WHOOO! I love this dumb sword!"
Like many craftsmen and scientist whom come before, Tyranth look at his creation and asked, "What have I done."
@@nickf.6027 dumb or not, he still wished he never made it.
Oppenheimer vibes
@@carbumb4229 and I have no idea why. It's pretty much an all around improvement as far as combat utility goes.
@@carbumb4229 why u so afraid of a scimitar?
This is what I imagined the heron marked blade looking like in a Wheel of Time. A fantasy fusion of Eastern and Western swords.
Yes, and very similar to the production model actually made of them.
Something like this can be done with an oval or rectangular tsuba that’s near the width of a cross guard, with or without a pommel.
This is what they will use at the end of the Age of Legends.
This is exactly what Robert Jordan described! That is almost exactly what Lan's blade would look like.
I thought the exact same thing.
"The pommel screws off."
Good to know the katana received the ultimate upgrade. The ability to "end him rightly" is essential. 👍
Just unscrew the pommel and throw it right into someone's skull. Like a true boss.
Or you can hide some matches and fishing string in the hilt.
@@jwillwilliams885the last ronin: R a m b o
For honor reference? W
This needs to be pinned 😂😂
I see two kids who got the same gift on Christmas, one is the happiest on earth and the other is going through a crisis
You can hear Tyranth's soul leaving his body as he hands his cursed creation to Shad, the praise from Shad only driving his soul further away
Poor Tyranth. Interesting that his edge alignment went to cock because his brain was telling him "katana" whereas Shad simply regarded it as a sword and so kept his edge alignment.
It's a Kriegsmesser with pins instead of screws minus the nagel. It's about the style I imagined the Heron Mark Sword to be.
Thank you! The whole time they were talking about I was shouting "MESSER," in my head.
Not necessarily heron marked, but this is obsoletely the standard design of a sword from the Wheel of Time series, the sort of sword one would use when practicing to become a blademaster (which one would have to do before becoming worthy of a heron marked blade.)
Was going to say this is what the swords in the Wheel of Time tv series should have been like, you said it perfectly.
More like 70% Kriegmesser
For what i saw most kriegmessers are more straight than curved
But it has some Polish Sabre and Shaska sword vibes
@@KASHKUR_7.62 Messers vary a lot. Most commonly they would probably have a slight curve with a bit wider of a body and a fuller, but this would not be out of place.
This looks great! I'm going to describe this as an infantry sword in the stories I'm writing, though short enough to be used one-handed meant to be used alongside a medium round shield.
Tyranth: "This is an abomination"
Shad: "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural"
That was exactly what I heard in my head when he said that. 😂
Is it possible to learn such a power?
Y'know, the funny thing is this feels like it should be completely cursed, but at the same time it honestly looks like something where given enough experimentation this could become a genuinely badass weapon.
Also this is unrelated, Tyranth's beard game is on point.
Pro-beard-gamer for sure!
New D&D character: Tyranth, the deeply conflicted artificer he despises all his creations.
"The craftsmanship is fine, but I didn't feel good about it."😂
Just watched a video where a katana master used a long sword. Said he liked the pommel for the extra control but didn’t like the cross guard because if interfere with his form.
Now I want to see them re-hilt a medieval sword on a Japanese guard and handle.
Do that, and make it practical. Yes please.
At that point it might as well be a mitsurugi or a jian.
@@Aodhan_Raith like how this might as well be a scimitar?
So make it useless is what I'm hearing
@@DinnerForkTonguethere’s no way to make it practical. It’s a complete and utter downgrade
I love the sheer happiness that Shad has testing out Tyranth's creations - both the falchion and now the katana remakes have been my favorite videos to watch just because Shad acts like a little kid on christmas morning, it's great~
Yes. I’m hoping for more such experiments even if some of them give Tyranth the shivers.
11:38 Bro is S tier hype man fr 💯
Best part is, with the bamboo pins holding the hilt in place, U can #EndHimRightly without the whole thing coming apart after the pommel is unscrewed.
Gotta agree with Shad. I love the traditional katana, but this looks amazing.
I feel like either the blade should be longer, or the grip one-handed.
@@TrueForkhmmmmmm so like a 2 handed Falchion(I like to call it KriegsFalchion aka War Falchion)
This is more or less how I imagined Rand's heron sword from the Wheel of time
8:00 Tyranth's face is one of a man who is feeling several emotions. Shame, joy, confusion, relief, disgust and maybe even pride all at the same time.
When Japan opened back up in the 1860s, the first thing they did to the katana was start to stick modern (at that time) sabre hilts on them, just look up Japanese officers swords from any of the wars they fought from the 1870s onward. Also prior to Japan closing itself off they exported their sword blades to the surrounding countries and they put their own style of hilt on them.
That's less for a tactical reason and more for trying to emulate western powers as much as possible. Japanese court swords in that period look near indistinguishable from European smallswords. The Japanese also began eating beef and other prohibited foods to try to gain larger physique. More just an entire general trend in trying to emulate western culture. It's really not because sabers guards are vastly superior to katana handles. I mean, this is far into the age of guns. Whatever sword the officer is carrying is really not going to matter a whole lot. And by this logic, the traditional katana should be considered the "superior" design as a wave of nationalism in the WW2 period caused the military to issue out traditional-styled Japanese swords over western-styled sabers.
@@andrewli6606 I mean... they are though. Any guard is better than the tsuba since it, you know, isn't a guard. All it is for is to prevent the hand from slipping off the handle onto the blade when you thrust.
@@ShiningDarknes The point is that the switch wasn't due to a tactical reason, but for a cultural reason. Swords are near obsolete by this point. It really doesn't matter what sword the military officer is wielding. Having a guard isn't gonna save you from bullets and the vast majority of opponents in a melee will be wielding longer bayonets. A sword with a larger guard is more cumbersome to wear. Sabers less so, but still something to consider. We're not gonna say the switch back to a traditional katana design during the WW2 period was due to the katana being a better design against machine guns.
@@ShiningDarknesform follows function, disc guards are the way they are because that's what's best for the way the swords they were on were used. If you just slap a new guard in a blade(and fencing system) that wasn't designed with it in mind you're just going to end up with a weapon that behaves differently and is less useful ti the swordsman that was trained to use something else.
@@leonardomarquesbellini Not quite, I mean having a cross guard doesn't impede the function at all. The reason they didn't bother with cross-guards was the katana was never a primary weapon, pure and simple. You were not intended to clash blades so no cross guard. You know that they used it for? Killing poorly armed and unarmored peasants and going around after a battle to stab all the bodies to make sure they aren't faking. That and they were status symbols.
It isn't like they didn't have cross-gauds, I mean they put them on pole-weapons. Not all of them, sure, heck not even most of them but the idea of a gross-guard was not foreign to them and what did they put it on? Their primary melee weapon, polearms. I mean ultimately the bow was the samurai's primary weapon so the katana is like third or fourth.
I would love to see a Japanese sword maker’s reaction to this video 😂
That'd be so dope. And they can compare notes too. The insight of a native would for sure give a different view.
I can only imagine the absolute disappointment mixed with some resigned acceptance that it might be better haha! xD
Me too, it'd be priceless!
I'd like to see that samurai that can cut a pellet in half use this sword 😹😹
"Shamufuru Dispuray!"
This is awesome. I love Shad's enthusiasm for this; especially vs the maker's distain for it. Yawl should definitely make more custom weapons
A cross between a scimitar and a katana? Call it a "scimitana" ⚔
IT's a Curseditar
I'd go with "Katarna" ...even if it sounds like a Star Wars or Mortal Kombat character...
Looks more like a talwar.
thats a shamshir
Should be called a Katamatar.
As a katana/kendo enjoyer, this scratches a very particular itch. Wish i could mess around with it and get a feel for the weight.
I remember my fellow kendoka friend used to tell me people hid weights in the handles of their shinai for this exact reason of having more counterbalance and shifting the balance.
Very interesting, he told me whoever did that made those shinai illegal for use in tournaments as well.
So next is a long sword with a tsuba, katana wrap, and no pommel?
I do love the forbidden katana though.
So fundamentally worse in every way? I mean just for the meme they have to. They made one abomination may as well make another.
That sounds cursed and awesome as the same time.
That kinda reminds me of a Chinese saber somehow. It's shaped like one
Lose the tsuba and that’s just a jian
That will just make it worse. Tsuba? Worse than crossguard. No pommel? No counter balance and no Mordhau. No thank you
'Katana +' is the perfect name as the Cross Guard literally gives it a + sign shape.
God I want to show this to a handful of Japanese Katana makers and see whether or not they surprise me by saying 'Interesting,' or what I expect 'This is why we expelled the barbarians.'
Seeing shad squealing with excitement like a schoolgirl with the Eurtana (European katana) is just... adorable and honestly, that alone should have made the 'pain' of creating this that Tironph went through worth it.
I understand your nomination, but it sounds like euthanasia. Not good.
Tyranth*
Urethra
Jafalchion a japanese falchion 🗿
@@ardynizunia9709 thnks
Now you guys need to invite a practitioner of the katana to give their thoughts on wielding it
yess plese
As a practitioner myself I can tell you it goes against most of the fundamental ways the katana works. You swing powered from the tanden (core) and you largely let the forward weight pull the blade extending your arms like a pendulum to create a circular motion. THIS is basically a scimitar with a katana blade at this point
@samuelg7340 but could you use it effectively?
On top of the issues with balance another person mentioned above, the big crossguard is going to get in the way and possibly get entangled with opponent's armor/clothing if you try close-range draw cuts. Which are an important part of kenjitsu repertoire.
Overall, this "remake" is... very far from ideal. Because of lack of understanding of the original design choices and the reasons behind them.
Yes, of course you could still use it for kenjitsu. It is just less optimal. It is inferior as a katana and it is inferior as a kriegmesser (because the blade geometry is wrong). Just pick up a proper kriegmesser if you want one.
You need to be very careful with the assumption that you can outsmart years and years of perfecting weapon designs when lives truly depended on them. Most likely, if you think "it is so easy to make this better", it comes from a lack of understanding.
Has something of everything, and yet perfects none. Fitting I can say
Not only do I love this design upgrade, but Shad's reaction to it was great too.
Honestly, this reminds me of the artistic rendering for the heron-marked sword from The Wheel of Time. I always thought it was katana-esque, and this video validates the design.
I like the functionality of the Scimitana.
Tyranth is a mad genius, this little experiment and the falchion made from the machete are examples of how brilliant he truly is
The dichotomy between a craftsman and a user.
"It felt wrong to make."
"I really like it!"
Oppenheimer be like
@@rhett5058 how does it feel to be the funniest person in this comment section?
@@adt4864 euphoric
As someone with experience in corporate graphic design…this comment has spoken to my soul
@@rhett5058Exactly 💀💀💀
As someone who grew up obsessed with Japanese swords, but has come to accept their flaws... I LOVE THIS!!!!! now I want one
Lawyer: "Tyranth, you need to understand that the legal system really does take the abuse of employees seriously; but to help you we need to get a sense of what happened so we can build a case. What did Shad make you do that was clearly so traumatic...?"
Tyranth: **Shivering in the corner, staring a thousand miles into the wall**
I honestly, might genuinely prefer something like this.
I never liked the lack of cross-guard on a Katana.
I have to say i really like the lack of crossguard, it gives it a very elegant look. Very much like the shashka
I think they should angle it a little bit, just smidge, to reduce the optical illusion.
@@delfinenteddyson9865aesthetically I also prefer the disc guard, but if I had to fight with a sword, I'd prefer more hand protection. Not a fan of a cross guard on a katana, wishing they went with something that still gives off katana vibes. Perhaps some extensions to a disc guard?
The guard on a katana was made that way for a reason.
Like a saber hand guard?
I find that sword beautiful, gorgeous. Combining two cultures into a singular sword. I don't know but I would see that European katana sword as an legendary weapon made in an anime or something.
There is actually an anime where the MC gets both katana and longsword, has to decide which to choose, and just decides "meh" and magically fuses them into one another, creating a kriegsmesser. Pretty cool. Name of the anime is 'Chrome shelled regios'
i feel it might have looked a bit nicer if it had a traditional wrap rather than just a chord wrap but over all i think it's a very fascinating sword.
A very intriguing customization indeed.
As far as names go I’d say it’s still a katana, but it is not a nihontō. All katana really means in Japanese is a single-edged blade, whereas nihontō specifies that the sword is Japanese
If you classify the weapon by its place of origin and time of creation, rather than its geometry and function, then this is clearly a contemporary steel-edged boomerang :D
Bit straight for a boomerang eh?
This is funnier than it should be
@@Inuxxus It probably wouldn't come back to you if you throw it with a spin away from your position, either :D
This is a really good example of how personal preference and bias can affect perception. The sword was equally functional before and after the modifications, but one loved the changes and the other hated them. For one it felt like the culmination of what a katana was meant to be and for the other, it felt like a bastardization. It's really interesting to see.
It really looks like a shamshir with a handle long enough for two hands! Shamshirs are one of my favorite curved swords, and they don't get discussed enough!
Combine the best parts of a longsword and katana!? ... ... wait, isn't that just a 2 handed Falchion?
Shut up this is called the heron class sword a fusion of a katana and longsword
@@wolfbane7497no you shut up stinky man
It's a scimitar!
@@realLagMaster a fine schmitmar!
no, it is a kriegsmesser.
I like this build.
Reminds me of the Chikage katana from Bloodborne; a weapon made by western knights based on their understanding of a "foreign weapon" they once saw but using their own materials, design and assembly methods.
ah, a hoonter i see. I do be loving the Chikage.
@@prinzeugen9588a hoonter must hoont! Leave the hoonting of hoonters to Eileen!
Long was the night, good hunter.
“For the honor, of Cainhurst.”
"Why are these Almonds shooting lasers at me?"
Shad having so much fun with this sword is hilarious.
Ever gotten a new tool that just does EVERYTIHNG you wanted that tool to do and did it well? That.
His enthusiasm is just so endearing!
Also, love Tyranth's dejection.
It's like Yin and Yang, so spiritual.
especially with Tyranth being so negative about it
From what i've gathered from le youtube exploration, Katanas are usually topheavy because you aren't really supposed to manoeuvre them manually. Rather, gravity and momentum plus the shape of the curve affecting the blade direction does most of the work for you, leading to a suuuuper clean and heavy cut. This most resembles a katana that a student would use, because less experienced people find it better to have a more bottom-heavy Katana. Although, in this case, this particular katana is SUUUPER bottom heavy, lending itself to an entirely different fighting style.
This is like the swords that Robert Jordan described in The Wheel of Time. All you need is a heron mark on the blade.
I like katanas as much as the next guy, but I must say that this is just an awesome creation. That look of disgust on Tyranth’s face though…
@@Another-Addressultimate flex.
The look on Tyranth's face when Shad said he liked it is just priceless 😂
I love this! A cutty blade (Katanas are cutters, you can stab with them, but they aren't truly made for that), some hand protection, better maneuverability (note: I've held Katanas before - for example my cousin owns one because he's very deeply into martial arts (the guy has several black belts - including Ju-Jutsu and Aikido) - and yes, they are top-heavy and remind me of a machete, more than a sophisiticated blade)...I'd love to see you build that from the ground up and maybe give it even better hand-protection (like say what you get with a Rapier or a heavy Cavalry-Saber!) :)
It’s not an abomination it’s an amalgamation of awesome
Sometimes abominations are a quite beneficial to blades, even in spite of tradition. Can't wait to see what amalgamation you guys will try next!
It is after all how the wide variety of swords came to be. Just some random swordsmith trying something different. If it worked, people liked it and copied it.
@@Erebus.666. Amen !
Halberd + Japanese Spear
That's why innovation beats tradition in warfare, the ability to challenge conventional ideas and replace it with new ones
@@aldovk6681 Tradition is only good as long as it is practical and has good reason to be maintained.
That’s a mini Mihawk sword and I’m all here for it! 😂
It really is, huh
Dude! I knew it reminded me of something
I don't know about that. The end of Mihawk's sword seemed flatter.
Mihawk is a half decent name for a sword type.
The Scimitar, the Katana, the Falchion, the Mihawk. Maybe a line of them would be the Minihawk, Mihawk, and Granhawk.
@@asitallfallsdown5914I hereby call Mihawk’s little knife blade necklace thing the minihawk
In the Wheel of Time, Robert Jordan already added a crossguard to the Katana and that is what the Heron Marked swords looked like. The wrap was changed to be most european style solid wood, with a leather wrap, or felt wrap. IF you look online you can find hundreds of examples of RJ's swords.
Shads excitement makes me want to see so much more of this sword.
Honestly this feels like a sort of combination between a scimitar and bastard sword, especially hearing you talk about how easy it is to wield in one hand as well as two hands. Considering the length of the blade overall as well as the handle construction in relation to it, I think this is a really fascinating sword design, and despite how incredibly cursed it is in concept, the finished product turned out very good.
I want one. I really do. The reasons are as you stated, so there's no point to elaborating this time.
Edit: it's not inherently a Scimitar or Katana. It's a modern abomination, and I love it almost as much as you do. Not because I think that it's a perfected Katana (which I don't), but because it's a cultureless hybrid weapon that shouldn't work but does.
I whish you ad combined both the round guard and the cross guard for this sword it would have looked Dope.
Swords are made to serve the use that their owner wants them for. This definitely serves Shad's purpose.
I like it
Heresy!
They are tools after all. And Tools can and will be modified to fit the user.
The red gambeson with the fur is the cleanest fucking armor I think I’ve ever seen. God damn that is slick.
Edit: Brigandine… sorry I’m a little 🍀
That's actually a brigandine, but yeah, I agree, it looks nice.
t's a brigandine ;)
Yep I would definitely rock that.
I think the medieval megapack mod for Blade And Sorcery has something like this in it. Pretty sure they call it the Bastard Saber. Its described as what would happen if a blacksmith from the west got his hands on a blade from the east.
I was gonna say the same thing, funnily enough, one of my favorite swords to use
Congratulations, you have reinvented the scimitar
When Tyranth said "this sort of content" I heard it as "this sword of content" and now I kind of want to see a dedicated sword build and name it "The Sword of Content", which would probably turn into jokes like "No one is prepared for this Sword of Content!" or "My Sword of Content is better than your Sword of Content!"
You can't force a meme.
@@jollygoodfellow3957it's still rather clever.
Kind of is the Sword of Content as it's just here to cause clickbait rage.
@@andrewli6606Tyranth would say it’s the Sword of Discontent.
lol
Swordsmanship and the development of an art style are part of why the katana is designed this way. Also it's a sword meant to suit the average adult Japanese male. The handle would be shorter because they typically have smaller hands. They swing with the frame of the skeleton and not just the arm and hips being why the blade is top heavy. You should bring a Japan swordsman and get his take on the modification it would be very educational.
Yes, I feel like with the differences added, any user using traditional technique would have to change/adapt to the newer blade, functionally creating a different swordsmanship style
They have to contact Shogo : he made a video where a katana master tried a broadsword for the first time. His take on this weapon would be very interesting.
@@a.t.o.mworkshop6409 I was thinking this exact same thing. it would be a vary fun and educational Collab video.
Finally someone did this!! I would love to see a katana blade with a saber guard or d guard. It’s a beautiful piece and would love to see a one handed version.
In one of David Weber's Honor Harrington books, the Grayson people developed a blade that fits that description and fairly well.
Look up: Swiss Sabers
Something like this can be done with an oval or rectangular tsuba that’s near the width of a cross guard, with or without a pommel.
That already exists in history. Look up "Gunto"
Yeah, this already exists. Japanese sabers made after the Meiji Restoration are basically this.
I sincerely hope this weapon makes an appearance in one of Shad's future books.
As a hobbyist blacksmith, I really appreciate the skill that goes into making and modifying a sword. Well done, as always! And especially well done on Tyranth's part.
I understand Tyranth that taking apart or changing a finished product that you love, and changing things is hard. But the end product is EPIC. Maybe a little steel/brass plate in between the handle and the pommel would've been a bit of a fine addition, but that's just nitpicking on my part.
This build seems like something you'd see in a movie right before the final battle scene in a movie about a medieval knight who gets stuck in feudal Japan.
Ooooo!
Someone needs to make this movie
It feels like Shad and Tyranth are two sides of the internet. One is all about the traditional look and feel of the katana while the other is more accepting of the change. While I do love the sleek and more simplistic look of the Katana I do like my cross guards and pommels. Balance aside having more hand protection is never a bad decision in my book so I would approve of the change. As experimentation is the mother of all inivations.
The way the improved katana looks, that can easily qualify as a Heron Mark Sword from The Wheel of Time or even Callandor itself.
I was thinking this!
I really like it. It feels like a mix of middle eastern swords or a Slavic cutlass like the Polish sabre or the Shashka. It's a delightful vibe
As much as I know this tore at Tyranth's soul, I think it turned out super cool. I had the same ideas when you were building it that the pommel would balance the sword better for one hand.
I always enjoy the mad scientist vs engineer type discussions with these builds 😂
Tyranth: my god, what have I created?
Shad: It's alive! It's ALIVE! ‘Deranged laughter’
Enjoyed the banter and the experiment! Engaged me with the short, and I subscribed on this first video!
Probably my favorite katana video you guys have done so far.
If you haven't done it already, do a comparison between this and a kriegsmesser. I'd love to see the results!
That's a sick idea and I want to see it happen.
Such a beautiful abomination. This may have become my favorite "fantasy sword" design to date. I have to include its design in my fantasy stories.
That’s exactly what I imagined Tam’s sword to look like from Wheel of Time.
This was solid! Even when I was younger and had more of a bias for katanas, I often wondered what it'd be like if somebody put a crossguard on one, but never came across any examples where it was done and didn't have the knowledge or resources to try it myself. I'm not disappointed at all, may not go as far as saying it's an improvement since all sword/weapon styles are good for their intended purpose, but it's absolutely a bad ass evolution.
Shad is SO happy about this, I love it
This is why I got a synthetic kriegsmesser to bring to local kendo schools. It really lets you test the differences between European and Japanese techniques with essentially the same blade.
I think this mixture of East and West is very nice. I am actually curious, what would be interesting is if you could somehow make a disc guard, but have the longer cross guards at the end of two sides of disc. You would have to machine that.
I was thinking maybe modifying the tsuba by stretching it out so it has dimensions similar to a European cross-guard but is still a "disc," if much more ovular. Would have to make it thicker, probably, but that'd probably be good for shifting the balance down.
Shad's like a kid in a candy store when he drew the blade. This is a whole new sword, we should call it The Tyranth.
We need a Shabbard for the Tyranth.
Just to spite him.
This might be the one time someone doesn't appreciate a new design being named after them. He definitely doesn't want credit(blame?) for this.
Tyranthian Shaddar