I worked in a factory when I was young with a former sergeant of the 8th AF in WWII who was the top turret gunner. After his 17th mission he was wounded. He said he didn't even know it until after they'd returned to base. The blood had filled his boot and congealed. He was sent to the field hospital, given a purple heart and after 8 weeks of convalescence, was back in the turret flying missions over Yugoslavia. These guys were born tough.
Peace has made us soft. There is a morale to the story of the Knights of the Round Table. Even the best and bravest lose their way in times of peace. Men were born to be warriors. We do not know what to do with ourselves in times of peace.
A generation that embraced fascism and tried to take over the world, destroyed many things, burned through natural resources like no other, and nvked two civilian cities. You have to include the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, and the Italians too. They were all the same generation. You can't pick and chose.
That exact thing happened to my father in WWII. He was a B17 pilot and they got their hydraulics shot up and had no brakes. they turned around and made it to an emergency runway in Belgium (late oct '44). He had the tail gunner strap his parachute to the frame of the plane and, as they touched down, throw the chute out the hatch that the tail gunner was supposed to use. It stopped the plane and they all walked away. Dad got his purple heart for that one. As a funny aside....as they walked away from the plane they turned around and looked at the plane and a local citizen was in the process of cutting the parachute strings so he could steal the parachute material.
My granddad was a tailgunner and later pilot of a flying fortress over Germany. I watch this, and I'm just instantly sucked into total concern for these poor crazy brave boys and terror knowing some wouldn't come back, and wondering how anyone could stuff themselves into a ball turret or a tailgun station willingly. I just love these boys.
@@homerfry9234 Thanks for the insult. The military has something called Officer Candidate training. He was sent to learn to fly. How about your grandad?
@@homerfry9234 look at SGT Murphy and others going from Privates to Sergeant to LT to CPT..... also between the world wars they allowed some to go onto commands and schools and other jobs. Different military then than now. I believe this happened. I'm glad your grandfather made it through the war.
Everyone always say that the greatest generation are brave and tough, the truth of it is that these are the very same exact people who lived through the Great Depression when they were younger watching their parents loose their house, or even their friends parents loose their house. With no jobs to be had and the country utterly broke for 10 years or more starting in 1929. Nobody just couldn't go out and buy what they needed from the local hardware store, so they had to "stretch it out" they had to "make due" and make it last. It is little wonder what made them so brave and so tough. This is why they are called THE GREATEST GENERATION. They were forced into taking something from nothing and make it outstanding. My grandparents told me all about the Great Depression, and its pitfalls, how neighbor helped out their neighbor if they could. Call it ingenuity call it gumption, call it what you want to. But without these brave and tough boys fighting to preserve our way of life, what we call the greatest generation.this Much respect goes out to what we call THE GREATEST GENERATION. without them, we would not have a country called the United States of America.
@@valerieclark4580 Thank you Valerie I, myself was raised up by WW11 family members. My Great Uncle Rip was a tank commander. He, along with his regiment along with the Canadians broke into a concentration camp saving 120,000 jewish men women and children. The GREATEST GENERATION indeed.
Let's not forget that the Great Depression was probably a major factor in the world descending into WWII. Not a slight to the people of that generation - they made the best out of what they had. And many preformed admirably.
Wow, it’s amazing the courage of those young lads. Your bravery and what you did will never be forgotten. Thank you to all the men and women protecting freedom wherever you are.
I used to have a British hurricane pilot come in to a store I worked at in Australia in my early 20’s. He had some funny ideas about modern life but when he spoke about his service I was in awe. He wore his old wings every time I saw him. The way he spoke about his aircraft, the way it “was a lovely bird, such a lovely bird, always got me home”. I felt honoured to hear him speak about it, I recall him saying it pulled to one side but he never minded A slightly older woman I worked with hated it, she was like “get over it mate, it’s done, we don’t need to keep hearing about it”, but she was dead wrong, how could you not experience something so visceral and not share it, especially in your twilight years I never got his name but I’ll never forget our conversations, a real gentleman who never spoke about the “action”, just a huge respect for his aircraft
Bottom gunners had it worse, you are trapped in a rotating sphere that can be only enter exited from the outside of the plan through an hatch. You lay inside in a fetal position with the gun to your chest and the barrels/aiming at your feet. They were highly prone to damage if they got shot causing it to stop rotating, and there is an emergency hatch to parachute out of at the top, however if it was damage and could not move anymore, you're screwed and can't escape if the hatch is in an position away towards the plane. Plus its freezing cold since you're technically outside the plan.
@@mustangcody Actually the ball turret *can* be entered and exited from inside the aircraft - that's the normal way of accessing the turret and vice versa. But the turret has to be rotated to the correct position otherwise the hatch cannot be opened. That was why many ball turret gunners were lost in damaged aircraft - very hard to rotate the turret if the power is out, or there is damage to the turret training gear, or the turret gunner themselves are incapacitated.
@@vk2ig I've read stories where the ball turret was damaged, and as the gunner could not extricate himself, he was crushed when the plane crash-landed. Awful.
@@jonathanlee5314 Andy Rooney (war correspondent) told of an incident such as this. The ball turret gunner knew he was going to die, and how he was going to die. His only request was that his mother not be told how he died. That interview with Andy Rooney can probably still be found on YT someplace.
I had an uncle who was a tail gunner in the Pacific... He said, nobody will never know how many of our own planes we shot down by accident of course, but believe me it was a lot. Seems that these planes fly at incredibly fast speeds and its often difficult to see their markings.
@@JohnnyThund3r Wayne is talking about markings. The gunners on the bombers would not be mistaking fighters for bombers so markings are irrelevant and the OP is not correct. as far as hitting friendly bombers by leading the target, maybe but that was actually rare since not doing so was a core part of gunner training
@@teo2975 I think the OPs point is when you're actually in combat you end up making a lot more mistakes... and a lot of times, you just don't talk about it.
They don't mention it specifically in the history books, but these bomber crews got more baby faced as the war progressed. I knew of one pilot who was flying in combat at 19, because they were losing so many air crews.
They were the bravest of to brave . Going out day after day . I had the privilege of knowing a few that were in the RAF . One showed me a photograph taken during the war . Old eyes on a young face .
Mark Peters tell that to the Japanese murdering their way trough south-east Asia. You don't want civilian being bombed? Don't start a war. Funny thing is UA-cam doesn't allow me to write specific words describing what they did, especially to young girls and kids. Guess the woke snowflake lords don't like hearing the truth.
And no wind coming in through all those open gunports and bullet holes. I guess Ms. Jolie didn't watch any bomber movies before making this, and didn't bother with a technical advisor. Too bad, I read the book, and it deserved better than this.
@@LonoTheOno I have a good one for you - would recommend reading "The Mighty Eighth" by Gerald Astor. It looks mostly at the Eighth Air Force in Europe (who took more casualties in WW2 than the entire Marine Corps).
Notice the 'necklace' they have on? It's shown clearly in the first scene at around the 1:10 mark and on. That is a microphone system which sits directly on your neck/vocal chord area. A relatively re-emerging technology today that got its' start in WWII with bomber crews. Required no 'boom mic' like traditional headsets you might be used to today. But they did pay attention to detail in this video, you just didn't know it.
@@Keys879 The other problem would be this: if Hollywood accurately re-created the amount of noise in an aircraft like that, then the audience would find the scene very tiring to listen to - it is just such a noisy environment. Even today in piston engined light aircraft featured in UA-cam videos posted by pilots, the camera audio muste be patched in from the intercom, as otherwise the viewers would have difficulty hearing what's being said - the resulting audio in such videos tends to lead viewers who aren't familiar with aircraft operations to incorrect conclusions. (Anyone who doubts this should go for a ride in a "lightie" and see for themselves.)
Some people say that when an actor's performance leaves the viewer irritated, it is because the actor is good. So Mr. Ishihara(Miyavi) is an excellent actor!
@j McCallion - Might have been built at The Willow Run Plant at Ford Motor Co. Ford's 40,000 workers here assembled over 8,600 of these beauties at the rate of almost one per hour! The Willow Run Plant was specifically built for this job and was the largest factory under one roof in the world - just over 1 mile long.
I fought in the battle of Fallujah 2004 the intensity of the fight still surges through my veins .. You could literally smell the adrenaline off the enemy. .. oh "the sweet smell of victory ". My heart goes out to these brave Warfighters
As one bomber crew put it, "in the army you can go days without seeing the enemy, but when you go up in the bombers, you get shot at every single time" (i forgot the exact quote but its something like that, and they aint kidding, truelly brave young men, The Greatest Generation!)
Bomber Command had the worst casualty ratio in the entire British military. Each crew had to survive thirty operations to get out. Some crews went back for more afterwards. They seriously got messed up.
@@Spudtron98 Everything in the War, that resembled a tin can, and where you cannot just simply step out, due to the hostile enviroment surounding you, is a death trap. Bombers, Uboats doesnt matter stay away from it. German U-Boats for example had a Casulty Rate of 75%. Highest of all German forces during the war. I dont want to know, how Space Crafts in the future will cut of...
@@danslater1542 USAF didn't exist back then. It was the Army Air Corp. They weren't volunteers, especially towards the end of the war most of them were draftees.
A war movie scene where pervasive noise makes it difficult to understand what is being said may be realistic, but would be unacceptably frustrating for the audience.
I used to go to school with some WW2 vets (as teachers... aviation mechanics school), one time one of them was telling me about how the B-17's would come back from a mission and they would wash out the blood from the belly gunners pod with a hose, put in new windshields, and send them up again the next day with a new crew. Brutal.
Lack of historical accuracy is not only distracting, it also detracts from the suspence. Shooting down four Zeroes? That's one shy of being an ace in a single sortie, does the exact opposite of giving a sense of defending against hopeless odds. Bizarre that the Zeroes wouldn't drop tanks before engaging. Before any "blah blah it's a movie" defenses come up, older movies have far more believable portrayals than this. The bomb bay walkway in real life is even more narrow and frightening, he wouldn't have space to squat down like that without his legs hanging over the edge. Even standing there's barely enough width.
@@jb76489 YEs it is. But if it claims to be Based on a true story and Historic well then It should be accurate. Otherwise they are just doing a disservice.
@@Ion610 Modern Hollywood does seem to not care about wether it is accurate or not. There are not many witnesses around anymore. So it seems they argument.
...it's so loud from the engines in those planes that you can't hear yourself think... talking normally is out of the question. But it is a terrific scene....
that is actually accurate of aircraft of that time period, I researched a lot about ww2 airplanes for a project and I genuinely like aircraft of that time period. I interviewed several ww2 pilots who said that the sound was very loud, they have a radio intercom for a reason
@Julian Bolt I flew in the Lancaster out of Hamilton Ontario a few years ago. Four engines obviously but it was deafening. Mandatory hearing protection.
@@Meowface. Absolutely correct. I flew in "lighties" only a few times (I used to maintain large turboprop and jet engine aircraft), and every time I needed to be wearing a headset so I could hear what the pilot was saying.
24 is the second loudest airplane I have ever been in. The B-25 is the first. You could scream into someone's ear as loud as you could muster, and they wouldn't hear you.
Some of these radial engines straight piped exhaust. Early B-25s had every piston straight piping exhausy straight out of the cylinder. This made noise so horrible and intolerable for the crew that there was actually a modification to the design to add proper exhast pipes that directed the noise away from the crew.
This happened to my late good friend who was a Lancaster bomber pilot. He was shot up and a piece of shrapnel severed the main hydraulic line in the cockpit spraying hydraulic fluid around under pressure. Once it was under control he had no flaps or brakes, but the crew were able to pump the undercarriage down and eventually landed safely using every last inch of the runway from touch down to stopping. The aircraft was patched up and flying again within days.
My dad was a gunner on the B24 Liberator in the Pacific. He said the Japanese would often fly above them and drop incendiaries down on them trying to set the bombers on fire.
I read the book. He describes being on the life raft in the ocean and seeing angels floating above him having a conversation and then being "rescued" by the Japanese. Compelling
@@workonesabs They were eating birds and fish raw, while trying to fight off sharks. One of the crew ate their rations the first night. They were in the raft for 47 days.
Read the book. Zamporini deserves this attention. If Jolie directed this its a different turn for her. She is fantastic in everything she does. Wouldnt want to marry her but, gotta give her big thumbs up for making this choice.
My grandpa was a bombadier in a b-24 liberator during ww2. I remember being 7 or 8 and him telling me about how surreal it was to look through the bombadier sights and deliver a payload.
So was my dad; it screwed him up for the rest of his life as he realized the part he played bringing hell on earth to who knows who. This B-24 bombing was so random and inaccurate…terrorism from the skies.
Although good, the CG cockpit porportions are way off on the side-to-side width. B-24 pilots sat much closer than shown. They literally rubbed shoulders with each other. German fighter pilots often favored a head-on frontal attack aimed at the cockpit with both pilots grouped so closely together...
I love how everyone here is bitching about the B-24 having no hydraulics when the film is actually 100% accurate with what the Co-pilot claims. B-24 D models, the most mass produced variant and most widely used in the theatre, DOES USE HYDRAULICS, And it specifically uses HUDRAULICS for FLAPS and BRAKES. All you ninnies complaining otherwise need to go read the damned manual.
Is that a B-24? I only saw two engines on that bomber. I think you meant B-25 which is a medium bomber, unlike the B-24 which is a 4-engine heavy bomber
@@VercilJuan Yes, I know it's a 4 engine bomber. The editing is very confusing. They show an outer shot of a 2 engine bomber, and then they show a shot from within the 4-engine bomber. I added a 2nd reply acknowledging that it is a 4-engine bomber.
Walking along that plank with the flak and any turbulence must be terrifying. Just watching it gave me the willies. I think I’d have my shute on at all times.
6:12 is the most impressive moment. Some boys are still boys - "mommy, I scratched my finger!". Another one of them didn't want to release the guy who cares about him. Some boys grow up into a man, some of them into a Man. Especially the Man who was wounded and bleeding, had smashed leg's bone and after he had been flashed through with a burst from a machinegun didn't stop shooting until knocked out the enemy, and only after that he allowed to himself to die - this is the real warrior. I prefer to say that because some watchers might don't recognize what happened. The cutscene is about things hided deep inside, a real characters that appear only in the extremal moments like bumped into the death face to face.
@Jaime Laoshi we actually got to move about the bomber and most terrifying thing was that the thin metal plank in the bomb bay would shift a bit when there was a little turbulence.
Great Clip. Had an uncle who flew in the RAF in WW2 as an Australian but...... and its a big but, I think the sound was not truly representative of the situation. Does it matter? it is a drama after all and sign language might be a bit difficult for the views to understand. Great visuals and I don't know how those young men found the reserves of courage to do that mission after mission.
For all the two of you know there may have been bomber gunners who got that many in one day. Matter of fact there was an Air Force gunner in World War II that shot down and left them his name was Michael Arooth. Look him up and get back to me since you know so much about history
@@navblue20 Interesting .....I have sometimes wondered what were the tallies of air kills of Individual bombers were, then it turns out that this is an area that's often ignored, so did some digging and its actually very fascinating, due to the fact that during a fighter attack so many guns can be firing at the same targets its difficult to know who got the kill and the brass wanted the crew to think themselves as a team and hence discouraged keeping tallies. None the less there are pilots who kept individual tallies and there are many sites that cover this, one name that popped up in quite a few lists was Staff Sergeant Benjamin Franklin Warmer a B-17 waist gunner. He was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross for a bombing mission on July 5, 1943, where he shot down 7 German fighters, he went on to later down 2 more enemy fighters to finish the war with 9 kills.
The B-24 also saw action in Europe too, In August 1943 there was a bombing campaign against German factories in Romania which many were lost called Operation Tidalwave
External fuel Tanks were dropped in an attack. Second thing is the Hollywood kill rate of this Crew. Third is the jammed bomb bay doors is a common thing in the main character plane
If you're into SM, maybe. My grandfather hated it -for many reasons, not the least of which was that the ball turret was the primary target for a fighter going after a B-24: low armor, high exposure, and knocking them out gives you the whole belly with nothing to shoot back.
For people who didn’t read the book. Harry Brooks didn’t make it home. He died a week before his 23rd birthday and his mother and fiancé wouldn’t hear about his death until a week later. 9 days after he planned to marry Jeannette Burtscher.
I built a scale model of a B-24 once. That makes me an expert. The B-17 didn't have the range nor the bombload the B-24 did for the B-17 to make it to Berlin they had to give up half the Bomb load and replace it with fuel so it carried 4 1,000 LB bombs the corsair could carry 3,000 LB's with one engine usually 2 bombs and rockets
no B-24 had a tail gun position with a single M2. they had twin M2s in a power turret for the vast majority of production, and a handful had a field modification of a hand-aimed pair of M2s. the theater conversion of non-combat capable airframes to the C-24 standard did have this rear turret with a single M2, but those had the ball turret, dorsal turret, waist guns, and all nose guns save for the single M1919 in the nose removed- they weren't combat aircraft, they were transport planes.
Air gunnery on these bombers was so very ineffective that the USAAF seriously considered not having these extra lives onboard. Unlike in the movies of course.
I've heard that the penalty in manoeuvrability that was suffered because of the gunner projections cost them more casualties than was saved by the guns. I was told it was a morale saving device, so the crew could feel like they were fighting back. Which stinks.
I think having guns gives the crew a bit more confidence than not having them, but I believe the domes on top and bottom were removed eventually, in order to manufacture planes quicker and get them into service. Those domes were very complicated to make and assemble, and the extra speed gained from removing them was deemed more important than having the guns.
Well, after having spoken to my great grandfather and having read his memoirs, him and his crew shot down 2 different aircraft and damaged another throughout the war. He flew in the Hamden medium bomber as a gunner and he recounts hving shot one down with a combined affort between him and the other gunner aboard. The second time was all him, shooting down an me-110 which is a sizeable fighter aircraft and also damaging another me-110 on another occasion. He recalls it was on fire when it disengaged so I'd wager it probably didn't make it back either. So in total that is 3 aircraft down/damaged from a total of 36 missions. Some in the Hamden and some in the Sunderland. Not too bad tbh.
@@JohnSmith-mk1rj They're called turrets and they werent removed from bombers. US manufacturing capabilities had no problems making them, or making enough of them.
@@kakmaster6945 Statistics tell a different story though. One where bombers really didn't shoot down many fighters. Now, it's certainly possible your great grandfather's plane was an outlier in the statistics and did indeed shot down 3 aircraft (after all statistics are about averages). But then again, all sides were overclaiming immensely too. So even first hands accounts aren't all that reliable of a source. I know it comes across as immensly disrespectfull to veterans. But really, to give you an example, between june 1941 and december 1941 the RAF claimed 711 luftwaffe fighters shot down. The germans lost 103 fighters in that period. Those are probably almost all claims by pilots/gunners who are convinced they shot down a plane, not people deliberatly lying.
@@daveb.4268 I'm not sure that's accurate. While the Eighth Air Force's B-17 garnered much acclaim flying from England, the Fifteenth Air Force (my dad's unit) was based in North Africa & Italy & used only b-24s.
Yeah, your right. I always seem to forget their service in Africa and Italy. Apologies as your fathers service was no less vital or perilous as the European bombers.😔
Memphis Belle was a well made movie! Based on a true aircraft and events.I really enjoyed the flight crew fussing with each other.But it sure was a great movie. I agree about engine noise it does damage hearing.With any powerplant.turbojet,piston, turbine ,Diesel,.im living proof.Should have kept my hearing protection on at all times .Flew a lot of times for years on helicopters, they also make. Your mind wander a bit! Even with modern insulation.
It always amuses me ( having done a few trips in C47s) how people flying in similar aircraft in WW2 films are able to hold quietly spoken conversations, When in reality it is so noisy its down to sign language
02:46 Crazy? Dangerous? Insane? There were several incidences in World War II where Allied bombers were blown to bits after being struck by the bombs dropping from other Allied bombers that were flying at a slightly higher altitude. It looks like a lot more distance is needed if you're going to be dropping bombs from a higher altitude like this with other friendlys down lower like that. It is too close for comfort with those bombs from above falling through like that.
Full of tragic mistakes. Above all, with the bomb bay door is stack open it must have been brutally windy in the airplane, it was pretty much calm in the film though.
Yeah...this is forgivable for dramatic reasons. What is not forgivable is Hollywood not bothering to make a proper and well-done B-24 movie until "Unbroken". Hollywood has made 100+ movies or TV shows about the B-17s in combat and zero B-24 in combat movies until "Unbroken". There was one single movie made in the 1960s or 1970s that was about the doomed lost B-24 that crash-landed by itself in a Libyan desert, killing all the men due to deyhdration, but that had nothing to do with a movie about a B-24 in actual combat.
if the lower ball turret stays down, plus the drag from those open bomb bay doors, they should have plenty of brakes, friction and hopefully no fire when they land.
They got throat mics but the main actor is not even wearing the headset to hear others. The Pilot and Co-pilot have one ear uncovered which would have deafened that ear and not helped hear one another. Also, it would have been crazy cold for fingers/ears/nose, which aree the first to get frostbite. Bombers of this era were not pressurized and had no climate control. Alot of non-sense going on.
my friends grandfather was a bomber crew, in the ball turret. i heard that its very uncomfortable and kinda dangerous. he only saw action once and his entire crew survived the war which is cool. they were all friends until they all eventually passed away. i believe there's 1 more person left that's alive today but idk their name I just know they are still alive.
"Kinda dangerous". It's to be said that the ball turret gunner was the most dangerous job during the entire war. You were pretty much strapped into a highligthed ball in an very uncomfortable position. You were an easy target, and had no way to escape the ball during flight. A sitting duck. Mustve been so scary..
Reminds me of the story of coast guard pilot in ww2 when German uboat shelling the new Orleans shore.. He was only one to arrive in time: Bomb didn't drop, gets out, kicks it.. Doesn't work, makes another pass, throws his toolbox and everything heavy he could find... Wish it was on camera
picture so good that i desided to watch this film. But 2 min watching not impressed. I noticed that frame size is different here and in my online cinema, it feels different. So i want know, where i can get that frame size picture ? because my frame cuted a lot
@@kojak5500 Basically attachable fuel tanks to extend range. They're meant to be dropped (detached and left to drop off the plane) after being used up / when engaging in combat to reduce weight/drag.
the rest of the bombers veered off, this particular one didnt because he literally says in the video they have no hydraulics, some zeros probably picked up on this and picked on them
The zero was a good 1-on-1 dogfighter and almost entirely designed for it. But against bombers that are much more heavily built than a fighter and shoot back at you as you're shooting at it, the extremely light construction made it so that the bombers were almost better at shooting down zeroes than the zeroes shooting at them.
My father was an Lt in the army air corp. Never talked about it, but I do have pics of him standing next to a lot of nose art. He had money from many countries also. I think he was part of the secret bomb sight installs.
So you are the executioner's son. Your father didn't kill soldiers, he killed women, children and old people. Your bombing of Germany was pointless from a military point of view. You are a nation of true fascists. Yes, and that war was made by your country, your rotten people .. Hitler is the brainchild of the United States, like Zelensky.
For what it's worth, my 99 year old dad flew B-26's. received a DFC, and was shot down over Germany Nov. 18, 1944. The crew got out, and all were taken prisoner of war. They ended up at Stalag Luft 1, in Barth until May of 1945. He went on to fly in Korea and Viet Nam. He hates war, hates talking about most of it.
I worked in a factory when I was young with a former sergeant of the 8th AF in WWII who was the top turret gunner. After his 17th mission he was wounded. He said he didn't even know it until after they'd returned to base. The blood had filled his boot and congealed. He was sent to the field hospital, given a purple heart and after 8 weeks of convalescence, was back in the turret flying missions over Yugoslavia. These guys were born tough.
American solider these day would drop on the floor & crying if their fellow calls they by wrong pronounce
These guys had no choice. Today you have.
@@HappyHusbandnWife 🤣bruh violated
@@hackhack9034 Dont get emotional damage on the battle field bruh
Peace has made us soft. There is a morale to the story of the Knights of the Round Table. Even the best and bravest lose their way in times of peace. Men were born to be warriors. We do not know what to do with ourselves in times of peace.
The Greatest Generation. God bless them. No shortage of stories like this.
A generation that embraced fascism and tried to take over the world, destroyed many things, burned through natural resources like no other, and nvked two civilian cities. You have to include the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, and the Italians too. They were all the same generation. You can't pick and chose.
That exact thing happened to my father in WWII. He was a B17 pilot and they got their hydraulics shot up and had no brakes. they turned around and made it to an emergency runway in Belgium (late oct '44). He had the tail gunner strap his parachute to the frame of the plane and, as they touched down, throw the chute out the hatch that the tail gunner was supposed to use. It stopped the plane and they all walked away. Dad got his purple heart for that one. As a funny aside....as they walked away from the plane they turned around and looked at the plane and a local citizen was in the process of cutting the parachute strings so he could steal the parachute material.
Purple heart for an "injured plane?"
Jesus.. people will steal anything
@@nightdrv Well...in wartime things are especially scarce, but yeah, I get your drift.
Huh. I didn't even know that the tail gunner had his own hatch.
What's your dads name, and what kind of wounds did he sustain?
@@nightdrv reason is material was scarse. And parachute fabric was highly saught after
My granddad was a tailgunner and later pilot of a flying fortress over Germany. I watch this, and I'm just instantly sucked into total concern for these poor crazy brave boys and terror knowing some wouldn't come back, and wondering how anyone could stuff themselves into a ball turret or a tailgun station willingly. I just love these boys.
How do you go from an enlisted tail gunner to an officer flying the aircraft? Sounds like granddad did a little embellishment
@@homerfry9234 Thanks for the insult. The military has something called Officer Candidate training. He was sent to learn to fly. How about your grandad?
@@homerfry9234 look at SGT Murphy and others going from Privates to Sergeant to LT to CPT..... also between the world wars they allowed some to go onto commands and schools and other jobs. Different military then than now. I believe this happened. I'm glad your grandfather made it through the war.
А вы обожаете детей женщин стариков на которых падали эти бомбы с обеих сторон конечно же
@@homerfry9234 uninformed AND rude.
Everyone always say that the greatest generation are brave and tough, the truth of it is that these are the very same exact people who lived through the Great Depression when they were younger watching their parents loose their house, or even their friends parents loose their house. With no jobs to be had and the country utterly broke for 10 years or more starting in 1929.
Nobody just couldn't go out and buy what they needed from the local hardware store, so they had to "stretch it out" they had to "make due" and make it last. It is little wonder what made them so brave and so tough. This is why they are called THE GREATEST GENERATION. They were forced into taking something from nothing and make it outstanding. My grandparents told me all about the Great Depression, and its pitfalls, how neighbor helped out their neighbor if they could. Call it ingenuity call it gumption, call it what you want to. But without these brave and tough boys fighting to preserve our way of life, what we call the greatest generation.this Much respect goes out to what we call THE GREATEST GENERATION. without them, we would not have a country called the United States of America.
Great post.
@@valerieclark4580 Thank you Valerie I, myself was raised up by WW11 family members. My Great Uncle Rip was a tank commander. He, along with his regiment along with the Canadians broke into a concentration camp saving 120,000 jewish men women and children. The GREATEST GENERATION indeed.
Let's not forget that the Great Depression was probably a major factor in the world descending into WWII.
Not a slight to the people of that generation - they made the best out of what they had. And many preformed admirably.
The treaty of Versailles had a lot to do with WWII.
Very wise words and insight indeed!
Wow, it’s amazing the courage of those young lads. Your bravery and what you did will never be forgotten. Thank you to all the men and women protecting freedom wherever you are.
heroic pilots who bombed cities in Germany and Japan and killed hundreds of thousands of women and children
I used to have a British hurricane pilot come in to a store I worked at in Australia in my early 20’s. He had some funny ideas about modern life but when he spoke about his service I was in awe. He wore his old wings every time I saw him. The way he spoke about his aircraft, the way it “was a lovely bird, such a lovely bird, always got me home”. I felt honoured to hear him speak about it, I recall him saying it pulled to one side but he never minded
A slightly older woman I worked with hated it, she was like “get over it mate, it’s done, we don’t need to keep hearing about it”, but she was dead wrong, how could you not experience something so visceral and not share it, especially in your twilight years
I never got his name but I’ll never forget our conversations, a real gentleman who never spoke about the “action”, just a huge respect for his aircraft
That top turret gunner deserves a medal.
Bottom gunners had it worse, you are trapped in a rotating sphere that can be only enter exited from the outside of the plan through an hatch. You lay inside in a fetal position with the gun to your chest and the barrels/aiming at your feet. They were highly prone to damage if they got shot causing it to stop rotating, and there is an emergency hatch to parachute out of at the top, however if it was damage and could not move anymore, you're screwed and can't escape if the hatch is in an position away towards the plane.
Plus its freezing cold since you're technically outside the plan.
@@mustangcody well, the top gunner got hit but still shot down an enemy plane.
@@mustangcody Actually the ball turret *can* be entered and exited from inside the aircraft - that's the normal way of accessing the turret and vice versa. But the turret has to be rotated to the correct position otherwise the hatch cannot be opened. That was why many ball turret gunners were lost in damaged aircraft - very hard to rotate the turret if the power is out, or there is damage to the turret training gear, or the turret gunner themselves are incapacitated.
@@vk2ig I've read stories where the ball turret was damaged, and as the gunner could not extricate himself, he was crushed when the plane crash-landed. Awful.
@@jonathanlee5314 Andy Rooney (war correspondent) told of an incident such as this. The ball turret gunner knew he was going to die, and how he was going to die. His only request was that his mother not be told how he died.
That interview with Andy Rooney can probably still be found on YT someplace.
I had an uncle who was a tail gunner in the Pacific... He said, nobody will never know how many of our own planes we shot down by accident of course, but believe me it was a lot. Seems that these planes fly at incredibly fast speeds and its often difficult to see their markings.
Friendly planes will not fly directly at you with machine guns blazing.
If they making a turn directly for your plane - it's the enemy.
@@floatingchimney Indeed he was talking about how many planes they would accidentally shoot in their own formation while leading a Zero.
*Zero* was a long-range carrier-based fighter aircraft formerly manufactured by Mitsubishi Aircraft Company.
@@JohnnyThund3r Wayne is talking about markings. The gunners on the bombers would not be mistaking fighters for bombers so markings are irrelevant and the OP is not correct. as far as hitting friendly bombers by leading the target, maybe but that was actually rare since not doing so was a core part of gunner training
@@teo2975 I think the OPs point is when you're actually in combat you end up making a lot more mistakes... and a lot of times, you just don't talk about it.
They don't mention it specifically in the history books, but these bomber crews got more baby faced as the war progressed. I knew of one pilot who was flying in combat at 19, because they were losing so many air crews.
They were the bravest of to brave . Going out day after day . I had the privilege of knowing a few that were in the RAF . One showed me a photograph taken during the war . Old eyes on a young face .
@@welshpete12 Brave? What the bombing and burning of the civilians? 76.000 children killed, wow, brave. Hell is big enough for more than one man
@@dividendenkontor Said the snowflake.
@@steveguild871 If youre against killing civilians youre a snow flake
Mark Peters tell that to the Japanese murdering their way trough south-east Asia. You don't want civilian being bombed? Don't start a war.
Funny thing is UA-cam doesn't allow me to write specific words describing what they did, especially to young girls and kids. Guess the woke snowflake lords don't like hearing the truth.
Wow it's so quiet inside that plane they can speak to each other like they were sat in a room.
And no wind coming in through all those open gunports and bullet holes. I guess Ms. Jolie didn't watch any bomber movies before making this, and didn't bother with a technical advisor. Too bad, I read the book, and it deserved better than this.
@@LonoTheOno I have a good one for you - would recommend reading "The Mighty Eighth" by Gerald Astor. It looks mostly at the Eighth Air Force in Europe (who took more casualties in WW2 than the entire Marine Corps).
Notice the 'necklace' they have on? It's shown clearly in the first scene at around the 1:10 mark and on. That is a microphone system which sits directly on your neck/vocal chord area. A relatively re-emerging technology today that got its' start in WWII with bomber crews. Required no 'boom mic' like traditional headsets you might be used to today. But they did pay attention to detail in this video, you just didn't know it.
@@Keys879 The other problem would be this: if Hollywood accurately re-created the amount of noise in an aircraft like that, then the audience would find the scene very tiring to listen to - it is just such a noisy environment.
Even today in piston engined light aircraft featured in UA-cam videos posted by pilots, the camera audio muste be patched in from the intercom, as otherwise the viewers would have difficulty hearing what's being said - the resulting audio in such videos tends to lead viewers who aren't familiar with aircraft operations to incorrect conclusions. (Anyone who doubts this should go for a ride in a "lightie" and see for themselves.)
@@vk2ig Spot on! My father was a navigator on Lancasters... by age 60, he was deaf.
I love how the pilot says-" we are here"💥
Some people say that when an actor's performance leaves the viewer irritated, it is because the actor is good. So Mr. Ishihara(Miyavi) is an excellent actor!
Great to see the B24 getting some recognition for once!
@j McCallion - Might have been built at The Willow Run Plant at Ford Motor Co. Ford's 40,000 workers here assembled over 8,600 of these beauties at the rate of almost one per hour! The Willow Run Plant was specifically built for this job and was the largest factory under one roof in the world - just over 1 mile long.
Odd comment, it was the most prolific American bomber in WW2.
@@tinglydingle Well when you think of four engine bomber in the US its 9 out 10 the B17!
@@jmccallion2394 - The B17 does seem to get more film time, but the fact remains that only 12,731 B17s were made, compared to 18,493 B24 Liberators. 😁
@@Loulovesspeed 100 per cent correct!
I fought in the battle of Fallujah 2004 the intensity of the fight still surges through my veins .. You could literally smell the adrenaline off the enemy. .. oh "the sweet smell of victory ". My heart goes out to these brave Warfighters
As one bomber crew put it, "in the army you can go days without seeing the enemy, but when you go up in the bombers, you get shot at every single time" (i forgot the exact quote but its something like that, and they aint kidding, truelly brave young men, The Greatest Generation!)
Bomber Command had the worst casualty ratio in the entire British military. Each crew had to survive thirty operations to get out. Some crews went back for more afterwards. They seriously got messed up.
In the UK, they were all volunteers. Not sure about USAF.
@@Spudtron98 Everything in the War, that resembled a tin can, and where you cannot just simply step out, due to the hostile enviroment surounding you, is a death trap.
Bombers, Uboats doesnt matter stay away from it.
German U-Boats for example had a Casulty Rate of 75%. Highest of all German forces during the war.
I dont want to know, how Space Crafts in the future will cut of...
@@danslater1542 USAF didn't exist back then. It was the Army Air Corp. They weren't volunteers, especially towards the end of the war most of them were draftees.
A war movie scene where pervasive noise makes it difficult to understand what is being said may be realistic, but would be unacceptably frustrating for the audience.
Tenet, anyone?
just turn on the subtitles
@@tradracemixer3237
Not quite the same ambience as listening to the dialogue.
Yes it would be MUCH LOUDER in there.
Dunkirk proves otherwise
I used to go to school with some WW2 vets (as teachers... aviation mechanics school), one time one of them was telling me about how the B-17's would come back from a mission and they would wash out the blood from the belly gunners pod with a hose, put in new windshields, and send them up again the next day with a new crew. Brutal.
Lack of historical accuracy is not only distracting, it also detracts from the suspence. Shooting down four Zeroes? That's one shy of being an ace in a single sortie, does the exact opposite of giving a sense of defending against hopeless odds. Bizarre that the Zeroes wouldn't drop tanks before engaging. Before any "blah blah it's a movie" defenses come up, older movies have far more believable portrayals than this.
The bomb bay walkway in real life is even more narrow and frightening, he wouldn't have space to squat down like that without his legs hanging over the edge. Even standing there's barely enough width.
This is a movie
@@jb76489 YEs it is. But if it claims to be Based on a true story and Historic well then It should be accurate. Otherwise they are just doing a disservice.
Why don't they realize the scene would be much stronger (and realistic) if the defensive fire wasn't so successful?
@@Ion610 what do you think this movie is about? Cause it’s not air to air combat
@@Ion610 Modern Hollywood does seem to not care about wether it is accurate or not. There are not many witnesses around anymore. So it seems they argument.
The Liberator never gets and love. Everyone loves the 17's and the 29's, but they built 10,000 B-24 Liberators. They earned the name.
They werent the heavy lifters as the 29s or especially the Lancaster. 10000 made though couldn't have been that bad
@@GuitarMan22 They also couldn't take the punishment that the 17's could, but still a wonderful plane. The total built was closer to 18,000.
Same with the Halifax and Stirling!
@@WEBB-TECH those 2 were definitely underappreciated. Doesnt help that there is no flying examples of those.
I think the liberator is quite an attractive looker to be honest , the 17 is sleek alright but the 24 looks like a brawler
...it's so loud from the engines in those planes that you can't hear yourself think... talking normally is out of the question. But it is a terrific scene....
that is actually accurate of aircraft of that time period, I researched a lot about ww2 airplanes for a project and I genuinely like aircraft of that time period. I interviewed several ww2 pilots who said that the sound was very loud, they have a radio intercom for a reason
@Julian Bolt I flew in the Lancaster out of Hamilton Ontario a few years ago. Four engines obviously but it was deafening. Mandatory hearing protection.
Even in a single engine Cessna its gdamn loud
Youd have to yell to be heard at all
@@Meowface. Absolutely correct. I flew in "lighties" only a few times (I used to maintain large turboprop and jet engine aircraft), and every time I needed to be wearing a headset so I could hear what the pilot was saying.
@@doogood13 cap
1:58 - You can see an airplane taking off on that airfield, amazing attention to detail.
24 is the second loudest airplane I have ever been in. The B-25 is the first. You could scream into someone's ear as loud as you could muster, and they wouldn't hear you.
Some of these radial engines straight piped exhaust. Early B-25s had every piston straight piping exhausy straight out of the cylinder.
This made noise so horrible and intolerable for the crew that there was actually a modification to the design to add proper exhast pipes that directed the noise away from the crew.
@@hatman4818 They were called "Short Stack Exhaust", typically only 4-5 inches long. At night you could see the flame.
so true shot up as well the noise in there would be very loud
This happened to my late good friend who was a Lancaster bomber pilot. He was shot up and a piece of shrapnel severed the main hydraulic line in the cockpit spraying hydraulic fluid around under pressure. Once it was under control he had no flaps or brakes, but the crew were able to pump the undercarriage down and eventually landed safely using every last inch of the runway from touch down to stopping. The aircraft was patched up and flying again within days.
3:30 love how he says “uh oh”
That opening shot is majestic
This kind of combat is exactly what I expected from Masters of the Air. Despite the quality of the rest of this movie, this scene is done very well.
My dad was a gunner on the B24 Liberator in the Pacific. He said the Japanese would often fly above them and drop incendiaries down on them trying to set the bombers on fire.
Wylie who directed Memphis bell the original one went up in a fortress and lost his hearing from just how loud the plane it's self was.
I read the book. He describes being on the life raft in the ocean and seeing angels floating above him having a conversation and then being "rescued" by the Japanese. Compelling
Compelling?
The hunger mustve been terrible then into the clutches of the Japanese for the rest of the war...
あまりの数が降伏したから日本軍の食糧を分けてあげたんだよ？
Amazing book.
@@workonesabs They were eating birds and fish raw, while trying to fight off sharks. One of the crew ate their rations the first night. They were in the raft for 47 days.
Read the book. Zamporini deserves this attention. If Jolie directed this its a different turn for her. She is fantastic in everything she does. Wouldnt want to marry her but, gotta give her big thumbs up for making this choice.
My grandpa was a bombadier in a b-24 liberator during ww2. I remember being 7 or 8 and him telling me about how surreal it was to look through the bombadier sights and deliver a payload.
So was my dad; it screwed him up for the rest of his life as he realized the part he played bringing hell on earth to who knows who. This B-24 bombing was so random and inaccurate…terrorism from the skies.
I bet the civilians thought the same when they looked up
Although good, the CG cockpit porportions are way off on the side-to-side width. B-24 pilots sat much closer than shown. They literally rubbed shoulders with each other. German fighter pilots often favored a head-on frontal attack aimed at the cockpit with both pilots grouped so closely together...
Wow….flak going off a few feet from the wind shield yet no damage at all. That’s one magic airplane.
Flak must be one of the most terrifying experiences in an aircraft. Its like winning the lottery except you die if you win.
I love how everyone here is bitching about the B-24 having no hydraulics when the film is actually 100% accurate with what the Co-pilot claims.
B-24 D models, the most mass produced variant and most widely used in the theatre, DOES USE HYDRAULICS, And it specifically uses HUDRAULICS for FLAPS and BRAKES. All you ninnies complaining otherwise need to go read the damned manual.
Is that a B-24? I only saw two engines on that bomber. I think you meant B-25 which is a medium bomber, unlike the B-24 which is a 4-engine heavy bomber
Nevermind, they switched from a view of 2-engine bomber to a 4-engine bomber. Too confusing.
@@lambertlum1087 Watch the vid bro, its a 4 engine bomber
@@VercilJuan Yes, I know it's a 4 engine bomber. The editing is very confusing. They show an outer shot of a 2 engine bomber, and then they show a shot from within the 4-engine bomber. I added a 2nd reply acknowledging that it is a 4-engine bomber.
LMFAO the Only thing Realistic was the Zeros.
Walking along that plank with the flak and any turbulence must be terrifying. Just watching it gave me the willies. I think I’d have my shute on at all times.
6:12 is the most impressive moment. Some boys are still boys - "mommy, I scratched my finger!". Another one of them didn't want to release the guy who cares about him. Some boys grow up into a man, some of them into a Man. Especially the Man who was wounded and bleeding, had smashed leg's bone and after he had been flashed through with a burst from a machinegun didn't stop shooting until knocked out the enemy, and only after that he allowed to himself to die - this is the real warrior. I prefer to say that because some watchers might don't recognize what happened. The cutscene is about things hided deep inside, a real characters that appear only in the extremal moments like bumped into the death face to face.
It's also... a movie.
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just have a good war-wank and clear your head, sergei
after the loss of the Starkiller base, General Hux was demoted to the pilot of a bomber
Even general hux got kick from far far away too world war 2
At least it’s a better bomber than the ones the Resistance has.
2:44 I love how the pilot urges Sam to drop the bombs as if he could just pick any given moment to do it.
I actually got to fly in a B-17 and I have to say it’s awfully quiet in the plane.
Dang you paid for that at the air show? 💰 💰
@@ExcavationNation Probably well worth it.
yes, it is really quiet especially with the Bomb Bay door open.
@Jaime Laoshi we actually got to move about the bomber and most terrifying thing was that the thin metal plank in the bomb bay would shift a bit when there was a little turbulence.
Причём здесь В-17 ? Это вообще В-24.
零戦が増槽を着けたまま空中戦をしている描写がありますが、本来なら空戦が始まる直前に切り離します。弾が当たってしまうと爆発してしまうので。ストーリーも色々残念なＢ級映画でした。
Tora tora
Are you a Japanese Zero pilot? 😅
@@osamabinladen824 every pilot of a fighter is instructed to do that even today to increase maneuverability
Great Clip. Had an uncle who flew in the RAF in WW2 as an Australian but...... and its a big but, I think the sound was not truly representative of the situation. Does it matter? it is a drama after all and sign language might be a bit difficult for the views to understand. Great visuals and I don't know how those young men found the reserves of courage to do that mission after mission.
4 kills with one liberator, with turret and side guns. hollywood shootout fun. Star Wars with piston engines
Nowadays movie makers take us as idiots. Movies from 1960s have best aerial combat scenes. That's sad.
For all the two of you know there may have been bomber gunners who got that many in one day.
Matter of fact there was an Air Force gunner in World War II that shot down and left them his name was Michael Arooth.
Look him up and get back to me since you know so much about history
@@navblue20 one freaking case cannot be used to generalize. To have one bombers shooting down FOUR fighters is plain stupid. Anyone can tell you that.
@@navblue20 Interesting .....I have sometimes wondered what were the tallies of air kills of Individual bombers were, then it turns out that this is an area that's often ignored, so did some digging and its actually very fascinating, due to the fact that during a fighter attack so many guns can be firing at the same targets its difficult to know who got the kill and the brass wanted the crew to think themselves as a team and hence discouraged keeping tallies. None the less there are pilots who kept individual tallies and there are many sites that cover this, one name that popped up in quite a few lists was Staff Sergeant Benjamin Franklin Warmer a B-17 waist gunner. He was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross for a bombing mission on July 5, 1943, where he shot down 7 German fighters, he went on to later down 2 more enemy fighters to finish the war with 9 kills.
Not unrealistic but not frequent either
Love how he continually turns the yoke to the left @3:18 as if it were a car
I noticed that too 😆
Well, it’s an airplane, that’s how they roll to the left and right
Interesting how two bad guy leaders are the pilots in this plane. You got General Hux as the pilot, and Eric from Divergent as the copilot.
LMAO UNDERRATED
The B-24 also saw action in Europe too, In August 1943 there was a bombing campaign against German factories in Romania which many were lost called Operation Tidalwave
External fuel Tanks were dropped in an attack. Second thing is the Hollywood kill rate of this Crew. Third is the jammed bomb bay doors is a common thing in the main character plane
Scariest environment imaginable, that's all you had to say.... Scariest environment imaginable.
Believe me ma'am... Even while playing in war tbunder as a Bomber in realistic battles... Still... you can feel the tension
Can't imagine. Being there or on an asteroid.
Flying in a glorified tin can.
@@michaeldowson6988 An aluminium can in this case ...
Id argue being on a Uboat during a depth Charge attack is worse but this is close second.
I've heard that the belly gunner is in a very comfortable position in his little glass bubble, he doesn't have to stand up.
If you're into SM, maybe.
My grandfather hated it -for many reasons, not the least of which was that the ball turret was the primary target for a fighter going after a B-24: low armor, high exposure, and knocking them out gives you the whole belly with nothing to shoot back.
@@screenname8267 I meant sitting wise, but yes I've heard it was also very dangerous.
@@randomentertainingvideos3545 So did I -that was the SM comment.
@@screenname8267 SM?
@@randomentertainingvideos3545 You know.. people into bondage
For people who didn’t read the book. Harry Brooks didn’t make it home. He died a week before his 23rd birthday and his mother and fiancé wouldn’t hear about his death until a week later. 9 days after he planned to marry Jeannette Burtscher.
The freaking war taking away so much from a lot of people
Спасибо, парни, за нашу общую Победу над фашизмом!
Not seen this before - will keep watching.
Better CGI than Masters of the Air!
From 06:50 we have a typical EASA ATPL Exam question.
I built a scale model of a B-24 once. That makes me an expert. The B-17 didn't have the range nor the bombload the B-24 did for the B-17 to make it to Berlin they had to give up half the Bomb load and replace it with fuel so it carried 4 1,000 LB bombs the corsair could carry 3,000 LB's with one engine usually 2 bombs and rockets
Having replied to a guy on UA-cam who built a scale model of a B-24, I am now omniscient and entitled to freak out if contradicted.
It's amazing how confident everyone is
Я уважаю американцев, они всегда умели воевать. - I respect Americans, they have always been able to fight.
What great acting , no stress in their voices, no swearing…really razzy nominations material 😂😂😂
How many missions have you flown on? Enough said.
Germans preferred to go after liberators. They aimed for the wing-root, it was much narrower than the B17.
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The book is an awesome read.
no B-24 had a tail gun position with a single M2. they had twin M2s in a power turret for the vast majority of production, and a handful had a field modification of a hand-aimed pair of M2s. the theater conversion of non-combat capable airframes to the C-24 standard did have this rear turret with a single M2, but those had the ball turret, dorsal turret, waist guns, and all nose guns save for the single M1919 in the nose removed- they weren't combat aircraft, they were transport planes.
Yes
@@osamabinladen824 yo wtf
Thank you! That drove me nuts!
The CAF's B-24 "Diamond Lil" is outfitted with that single rear gun, I assume that was the aircraft used to make the sound stage model for this movie.
It's a movie lil bro
Air gunnery on these bombers was so very ineffective that the USAAF seriously considered not having these extra lives onboard. Unlike in the movies of course.
I've heard that the penalty in manoeuvrability that was suffered because of the gunner projections cost them more casualties than was saved by the guns. I was told it was a morale saving device, so the crew could feel like they were fighting back. Which stinks.
I think having guns gives the crew a bit more confidence than not having them, but I believe the domes on top and bottom were removed eventually, in order to manufacture planes quicker and get them into service.
Those domes were very complicated to make and assemble, and the extra speed gained from removing them was deemed more important than having the guns.
Well, after having spoken to my great grandfather and having read his memoirs, him and his crew shot down 2 different aircraft and damaged another throughout the war. He flew in the Hamden medium bomber as a gunner and he recounts hving shot one down with a combined affort between him and the other gunner aboard. The second time was all him, shooting down an me-110 which is a sizeable fighter aircraft and also damaging another me-110 on another occasion. He recalls it was on fire when it disengaged so I'd wager it probably didn't make it back either. So in total that is 3 aircraft down/damaged from a total of 36 missions. Some in the Hamden and some in the Sunderland. Not too bad tbh.
@@JohnSmith-mk1rj They're called turrets and they werent removed from bombers. US manufacturing capabilities had no problems making them, or making enough of them.
@@kakmaster6945 Statistics tell a different story though. One where bombers really didn't shoot down many fighters. Now, it's certainly possible your great grandfather's plane was an outlier in the statistics and did indeed shot down 3 aircraft (after all statistics are about averages). But then again, all sides were overclaiming immensely too. So even first hands accounts aren't all that reliable of a source. I know it comes across as immensly disrespectfull to veterans.
But really, to give you an example, between june 1941 and december 1941 the RAF claimed 711 luftwaffe fighters shot down. The germans lost 103 fighters in that period. Those are probably almost all claims by pilots/gunners who are convinced they shot down a plane, not people deliberatly lying.
My father was a 20 yo waist gunner in this exact aircraft in Europe during WW2
That's rather rare, most B-24's went to the Pacific.
@@daveb.4268 I'm not sure that's accurate. While the Eighth Air Force's B-17 garnered much acclaim flying from England, the Fifteenth Air Force (my dad's unit) was based in North Africa & Italy & used only b-24s.
Yeah, your right. I always seem to forget their service in Africa and Italy. Apologies as your fathers service was no less vital or perilous as the European bombers.😔
@@daveb.4268 No worries & thanks for your sentiments :)
Memphis Belle was a well made movie! Based on a true aircraft and events.I really enjoyed the flight crew fussing with each other.But it sure was a great movie. I agree about engine noise it does damage hearing.With any powerplant.turbojet,piston, turbine ,Diesel,.im living proof.Should have kept my hearing protection on at all times .Flew a lot of times for years on helicopters, they also make. Your mind wander a bit! Even with modern insulation.
It always amuses me ( having done a few trips in C47s) how people flying in similar aircraft in WW2 films are able to hold quietly spoken conversations, When in reality it is so noisy its down to sign language
Ah that movie 8/10 for me
Well, those guys almost had an ace in one flight...
The ballgunner shot one down.
02:46 Crazy? Dangerous? Insane? There were several incidences in World War II where Allied bombers were blown to bits after being struck by the bombs dropping from other Allied bombers that were flying at a slightly higher altitude. It looks like a lot more distance is needed if you're going to be dropping bombs from a higher altitude like this with other friendlys down lower like that. It is too close for comfort with those bombs from above falling through like that.
There's even at least one photo of it happening that I've seen online, B17s I think.
Full of tragic mistakes. Above all, with the bomb bay door is stack open it must have been brutally windy in the airplane, it was pretty much calm in the film though.
True but I'm not sure the average movie goer would like to have their ears bleed whilst trying to listen to what the crew are saying.
@@TheMinipily Right. I agree.
"tragic"?
Yeah...this is forgivable for dramatic reasons. What is not forgivable is Hollywood not bothering to make a proper and well-done B-24 movie until "Unbroken". Hollywood has made 100+ movies or TV shows about the B-17s in combat and zero B-24 in combat movies until "Unbroken". There was one single movie made in the 1960s or 1970s that was about the doomed lost B-24 that crash-landed by itself in a Libyan desert, killing all the men due to deyhdration, but that had nothing to do with a movie about a B-24 in actual combat.
if the lower ball turret stays down, plus the drag from those open bomb bay doors, they should have plenty of brakes, friction and hopefully no fire when they land.
When Lou complains about flak, that is actually what they were meant to do, but the bomb aimer of target; to shot one down was a bonus!
quietly talking to each other inside a bomber??? sure
They got throat mics but the main actor is not even wearing the headset to hear others. The Pilot and Co-pilot have one ear uncovered which would have deafened that ear and not helped hear one another. Also, it would have been crazy cold for fingers/ears/nose, which aree the first to get frostbite. Bombers of this era were not pressurized and had no climate control. Alot of non-sense going on.
Movies never get right just how loud it is in these planes.
That movie should have been about Phil. He went through everything Louie went through, plus he saved their lives twice.
wasn't alive by the time the book was written
What type of bomber is that. I think it’s a b 25 but idk
my friends grandfather was a bomber crew, in the ball turret.
i heard that its very uncomfortable and kinda dangerous.
he only saw action once and his entire crew survived the war which is cool.
they were all friends until they all eventually passed away. i believe there's 1 more person left that's alive today but idk their name I just know they are still alive.
"Kinda dangerous". It's to be said that the ball turret gunner was the most dangerous job during the entire war. You were pretty much strapped into a highligthed ball in an very uncomfortable position. You were an easy target, and had no way to escape the ball during flight. A sitting duck. Mustve been so scary..
Как фильм называется ????
The bomber pilot is played by the one who played General Hux of the First Order in the new Star Wars.
ReAlLy
Also known as Domhnall Gleeson, Brendan Gleeson's son.
Reminds me of the story of coast guard pilot in ww2 when German uboat shelling the new Orleans shore.. He was only one to arrive in time:
Bomb didn't drop, gets out, kicks it.. Doesn't work, makes another pass, throws his toolbox and everything heavy he could find...
Wish it was on camera
I'm no expert, but wouldn't they have been on oxygen at bombing altitude?
These were the golden generation.
Incredible, one battered B-24 takes out half of the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service.
picture so good that i desided to watch this film. But 2 min watching not impressed. I noticed that frame size is different here and in my online cinema, it feels different. So i want know, where i can get that frame size picture ? because my frame cuted a lot
Zero's attacking with their drop tanks still on... Thats why I dont watch modern WW2 movies.
What are drop tanks
@@kojak5500 Basically attachable fuel tanks to extend range. They're meant to be dropped (detached and left to drop off the plane) after being used up / when engaging in combat to reduce weight/drag.
Time stamp please
@@Yazolight 4:50
I gotta hand it to Jolie. Didnt think she could pull off a believable war movie. But, she did. The Air Scenes? STILL looks like a Cartoon to me.
4 zeros in one mission one single liberator???
the rest of the bombers veered off, this particular one didnt because he literally says in the video they have no hydraulics, some zeros probably picked up on this and picked on them
The zero was a good 1-on-1 dogfighter and almost entirely designed for it. But against bombers that are much more heavily built than a fighter and shoot back at you as you're shooting at it, the extremely light construction made it so that the bombers were almost better at shooting down zeroes than the zeroes shooting at them.
@@LAG09 people who only play war thunder be like
@Necramonium Based on a book that's a true story.
@@LAG09 It was only good 1-on-1 at the start of the war till the allies developed better tactics and planes. Then we talking 16:1 kill ratios.
Будте добры люди!!! Что за фильм?
1:09 john connor?
No breaks? Do you have a carachute? Release it out the tailgunners position. That will slow it down.
My question is where did all the bombers go when the zeros appeared.
They turned on active camo and jet engines came out of their propellers and flew into higher altitude
You can see some
@@lunabobles4526 I looked for a while can't see any
@@darthdoggie0031 You can see some at 4:46 and 5:24
@@lunabobles4526 yep I see "a few" at 5:24 but nothing else.
3:03 mannof focus, he's studying in this rocky flight
May we never forget and may we all make efforts not to allow to be repeated the tragedies of war.
We currently at war with China, and Russia by proxy.
"We"? Do you know who started the war?
@@neilgulati7918 Unnecessary
I wish when I learned to fly starting in 2001 that them Cessna trainer planes was this quite. We had to use radio head sets to hear and talk .
Самые красивые аэропланы , это 1940-50 годы, а ребята молодчики, слава и почет героям Второй Мировой.
Незавидная профессия . но почетна.
Never seen this clip but I already knew the comments would be full of freedom lovers
Freedom Lovers? Freedom from Sin?
Lol when the bombardier looks through the bomb aim point and in the back groun you se lots of enemy zeros take off.
Me quito el sombrero ante la generación más grande.
With the bomb bay stuck open and all these holes, the air in the cabin seems completely undisturbed.
What
@Chemist no, you don't understand. The posting had to do with air turbulence in the crew areas, not air pressure.
This scene is used to test home theatre systems. Sounds mind blowing on svs 16 subwoofer!
My father was an Lt in the army air corp. Never talked about it, but I do have pics of him standing next to a lot of nose art. He had money from many countries also. I think he was part of the secret bomb sight installs.
So you are the executioner's son. Your father didn't kill soldiers, he killed women, children and old people. Your bombing of Germany was pointless from a military point of view. You are a nation of true fascists. Yes, and that war was made by your country, your rotten people .. Hitler is the brainchild of the United States, like Zelensky.
Honestly, this is a pretty amazing scene.
For what it's worth, my 99 year old dad flew B-26's. received a DFC, and was shot down over Germany Nov. 18, 1944. The crew got out, and all were taken prisoner of war. They ended up at Stalag Luft 1, in Barth until May of 1945. He went on to fly in Korea and Viet Nam. He hates war, hates talking about most of it.
Подскажите что за фильм