I do certainly agree with your assessment. I find that usually, the court cares mostly about pinning the guilt on someone. Once they have a person they most likely suspect they act as though that person is guilty unless proven innocent.
I think what you say is generally true, those issues are obviously important, but Eagleman is obviously talking about a particular type of criminal where we would ordinarily describe them as 'evil' as opposed to them being under extreme socio-environmental or other pressures.
With the statement that "You are your brain", there's also an observed element in the presentation that also needs some attention; the people who suffered altered brain states through chemistry and physical influences (tumors and trauma with the brain tissue), were able to recognize the influences of those external conditions and had and remarked on their own changed behaviors. There is a memory of why decisions are made and the victims of their own altered biology notice this.
8:08 If your arm occasionally jerks uncontrollably outwards then you've a duty to take care you don't stand next to someone who's right near the edge of a cliff. It's unlikely you'll push them over the edge but none-the-less it's reasonably foreseeable that it *might* happen. Thus IMO you'd be liable for charges of involuntary manslaughter and a lawsuit from the family.
Of course, when thinking of correctional institutionalization, this means that people who have little choice when faced with their own compulsions, they will have an actual chance to be rehabilitated, and allowing them to become part of society again with a real chance of success. This means that to be just; to prevent or stop. or alleviate suffering, you can bring just behavior back into the justice system and obey the laws protecting your brothers and sisters.
The (unsolved) question is whether most of crimes are cause by socio-environmental pressures or by fyziological nature of criminals. I, personally, have doubts, that it is cause of soc-envi. pressures.
@mdlittle5466 You wanted him to focus on the physical effects the psychosocial environment has on neurobiology? I see the science going that way; this lecture is just a primer for larger paradigm shifts to come. Someday the foundational problems with the justice system will become glaringly obvious to everyone.
“lie detector test machine report cannot be relied on entirely.judis” Dr. this besides other judgements discouraged polygraph test. Is this test an improvisation or do I say will not face same challenges and will be accepted in practise. Why can we not turn minds from nurturing criminal mentality . This world would be a better place. Being on UA-cam this is one of the general examples in law . Regards
most "criminals" commit "crimes" because of socio-enviornmental pressures, which causes the brain and thus their behavior to change in a socially offensive manner. If a mother steals food from the grocery store to feed her starving children is she really a "criminal." Its well and good to look at neuroscience but we must also fix the underlying socio-economic problems in the world today like extreme poverty and the wealth gap to have a rea effect on criminal behavior-nature vs. nurture
My hope for David Eagleman is that he can stray away from using the word bad before the word people after explaining so eloquently how people function based on their biology
@Antiks72 And when people make mistakes they assume responsibility for them. If you resort to stealing for survival you are still a criminal. If misfortune "smiles" on these unfortunates, do they not have friends that will help them or did they just decide to join "society" when it was to their own benefit?
Wait a minute, Benoit's murdering/suicide wasn't a roid rage. Studies were carried out and his brain was revealed to be in a battered state. He had the brain of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient, much like some NFL players who had also committed suicide.
An intelligent computer that gets shut off is still able to be rebooted and thus brought back to life, therefor you can't be sentenced for computer-murder.
@Antiks72 In a civilized society, we accept responsibility for the costs that are incurred for engaging in our animal behavior. If a woman wants to have 16 children more power to her but she can't expect society to incur the cost of her choices. Blaming society is a cop out.
@Shadow9392 But the idea of socialism to a certain level is actually very sound, where everyone would be equal there wouldn't be a drive for people to do many things, and would help end many crimes for happening a step before even the idea has been made.
The libertarian in me sees new ways for people with more resources to continue to further mock with their juridical systems. Clients that have the resources to access the lawyers that can access the scientists will always outgun the limited resources of the public prosecutors, especially in legal systems as deeply rooted in subtle segregation as the american penal system. Not to be a total troll, this has to be the most intelligent way of looking at criminal law since Bentham.
Hmmm...I'm not going to say I agree with this presentation. I see this as another attempt at supporting causality. I see quite a few glaringly obvious fallacies...especially incarceration wence a majority of prisons are run by corporations. Anyone investigating further will understand why the incarceration rate is as high as it is...
The unconscious part of the brain is for things like keeping your heart beating, or your lungs breathing, etc..... So no.... not necessarily everything
@kidgill2000 Sorry but the mother in your example is a criminal because of the decisions she made in her life when she decided to have children without making sure she could provide for them. If you decide to become a mother, you have to accept the responsibility that goes with bringing children in to the world. Blaming "society" is a cop-out.
no such thing as ability or normal or not, ts not making anything, not funnx or unfunfx about it, can be do say any no matter what. it may not change. no such thing as rationalx or not. no pressure for such or anyx
@8RoundShock " is actually very sound, where everyone would be equal " bullshit, you can't make people equal, people are NOT equal and never will be. It's sure idiocy to think you can make them equal.
David is an inspiration on so many levels. A human who uses every bit of his energy to help humanity and to learn and teach! Thanks David!
this is very interesting! understanding why people do what they do and how their thought process is leading up to it is fascinating
I'm always sad when these videos only got so few viewers. Send it to your friends on facebook etc... everywhere
I do certainly agree with your assessment. I find that usually, the court cares mostly about pinning the guilt on someone. Once they have a person they most likely suspect they act as though that person is guilty unless proven innocent.
That was Legendary ! , i've read his book , really enlightening , also it changed my idea about people.
Thank you for your contribution.
very thought provoking, enjoyed this
Interesting perspective of looking at neuroscience and law. Thanks.
Amazed. the work sounds amazing.
I think what you say is generally true, those issues are obviously important, but Eagleman is obviously talking about a particular type of criminal where we would ordinarily describe them as 'evil' as opposed to them being under extreme socio-environmental or other pressures.
With the statement that "You are your brain", there's also an observed element in the presentation that also needs some attention; the people who suffered altered brain states through chemistry and physical influences (tumors and trauma with the brain tissue), were able to recognize the influences of those external conditions and had and remarked on their own changed behaviors. There is a memory of why decisions are made and the victims of their own altered biology notice this.
Little does Dr. Eagleman know that this research will completely dismantly every judicary system on the planet
8:08 If your arm occasionally jerks uncontrollably outwards then you've a duty to take care you don't stand next to someone who's right near the edge of a cliff. It's unlikely you'll push them over the edge but none-the-less it's reasonably foreseeable that it *might* happen. Thus IMO you'd be liable for charges of involuntary manslaughter and a lawsuit from the family.
i really like science and im always fascinated by biology, i like David because im learning on youtube ^--^
Of course, when thinking of correctional institutionalization, this means that people who have little choice when faced with their own compulsions, they will have an actual chance to be rehabilitated, and allowing them to become part of society again with a real chance of success. This means that to be just; to prevent or stop. or alleviate suffering, you can bring just behavior back into the justice system and obey the laws protecting your brothers and sisters.
So, is the smokers experiment/study results/techniques available anywhere?
The (unsolved) question is whether most of crimes are cause by socio-environmental pressures or by fyziological nature of criminals. I, personally, have doubts, that it is cause of soc-envi. pressures.
This is awesome ...
David
To change the behavior have you considered practices of swara yoga, kriya yoga and meditation to balance the brain?
@mdlittle5466
You wanted him to focus on the physical effects the psychosocial environment has on neurobiology? I see the science going that way; this lecture is just a primer for larger paradigm shifts to come. Someday the foundational problems with the justice system will become glaringly obvious to everyone.
“lie detector test machine report cannot be relied on entirely.judis” Dr. this besides other judgements discouraged polygraph test. Is this test an improvisation or do I say will not face same challenges and will be accepted in practise. Why can we not turn minds from nurturing criminal mentality . This world would be a better place. Being on UA-cam this is one of the general examples in law . Regards
Dear respected sir (eagleman) tell something about creation.and law of attraction
Little does he know that these findings are some of the most important on the planet #13.8BY+
great talk
most "criminals" commit "crimes" because of socio-enviornmental pressures, which causes the brain and thus their behavior to change in a socially offensive manner. If a mother steals food from the grocery store to feed her starving children is she really a "criminal." Its well and good to look at neuroscience but we must also fix the underlying socio-economic problems in the world today like extreme poverty and the wealth gap to have a rea effect on criminal behavior-nature vs. nurture
a spelling mistake in the lecture! go to 21:33 it says "Jail is not is a one size fits all solution" (double "is")
He failed to stress that this can happen to any of us and is happening to all of us!
My hope for David Eagleman is that he can stray away from using the word bad before the word people after explaining so eloquently how people function based on their biology
@Antiks72 And when people make mistakes they assume responsibility for them. If you resort to stealing for survival you are still a criminal. If misfortune "smiles" on these unfortunates, do they not have friends that will help them or did they just decide to join "society" when it was to their own benefit?
Wait a minute, Benoit's murdering/suicide wasn't a roid rage. Studies were carried out and his brain was revealed to be in a battered state. He had the brain of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient, much like some NFL players who had also committed suicide.
I noticed that too
Why? your comments seems interesting enough to politely ask you to expand on it.
Please sir upload video about creation
@kidgill2000 I agree, and so does David as that is essentially the conclusion of his book titled: Incognito: the secret lives of our brain.
1:33 Didn't even lose consciousness...Holy **** that musta hurt like nothing else.
An intelligent computer that gets shut off is still able to be rebooted and thus brought back to life, therefor you can't be sentenced for computer-murder.
@Antiks72 In a civilized society, we accept responsibility for the costs that are incurred for engaging in our animal behavior. If a woman wants to have 16 children more power to her but she can't expect society to incur the cost of her choices. Blaming society is a cop out.
@Shadow9392 But the idea of socialism to a certain level is actually very sound, where everyone would be equal there wouldn't be a drive for people to do many things, and would help end many crimes for happening a step before even the idea has been made.
"robot legislation" oh god thats like the sickest idea I've ever heard...
resource based economy
This all makes sense to me but I'm still in question what makes them interested in children. What clicks their brain into that.
your motor cortex changes when you break bones
The libertarian in me sees new ways for people with more resources to continue to further mock with their juridical systems. Clients that have the resources to access the lawyers that can access the scientists will always outgun the limited resources of the public prosecutors, especially in legal systems as deeply rooted in subtle segregation as the american penal system. Not to be a total troll, this has to be the most intelligent way of looking at criminal law since Bentham.
Hmmm...I'm not going to say I agree with this presentation. I see this as another attempt at supporting causality. I see quite a few glaringly obvious fallacies...especially incarceration wence a majority of prisons are run by corporations. Anyone investigating further will understand why the incarceration rate is as high as it is...
Nice to see zeitgeist member.. or the venus project..
@dpclayburn On that note, I can agree...
so the unconscious mind is in control of everything? well whats the point of having a conscious mind at all then?
The unconscious part of the brain is for things like keeping your heart beating, or your lungs breathing, etc..... So no.... not necessarily everything
AboutCrafterUA Productions he said it was everything.
To trick us into surviving.
To subconcious is incapable of knowing what is right and what is wrong, it is therefore the job of the conscious mind to figure this out
this is the right answer
Argh, life and death, how will death be,
how will animals die , wtf this world is crazy man
22:22
@kidgill2000 Sorry but the mother in your example is a criminal because of the decisions she made in her life when she decided to have children without making sure she could provide for them. If you decide to become a mother, you have to accept the responsibility that goes with bringing children in to the world. Blaming "society" is a cop-out.
no such thing as ability or normal or not, ts not making anything, not funnx or unfunfx about it, can be do say any no matter what. it may not change. no such thing as rationalx or not. no pressure for such or anyx
@Antiks72 "the biological drive to reproduce"
Do you want to live in an animal society, or a human one?
@kidgill2000 Sounds like a convenient argument for socialism.
lie detector test machine report cannot be relied on entirely.judis
@8RoundShock " is actually very sound, where everyone would be equal "
bullshit, you can't make people equal, people are NOT equal and never will be. It's sure idiocy to think you can make them equal.
wrong, except u, can think do any no matter what and can be all perfx, just u r idiotic
yes,you are the luckiest one who is not his biology.