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I did the same trick when I tried to recreate Nirvana's drain you, which has 5 guitar tracks at the same time. I added a clean tone track and the attack is more defined, a very useful trick.
I have to disagree. Mike is really the lead guitar player. I can hear all of his accents. Watch the 1981 bass video. It will blow your mind how wrong you are.
How does this affect them when they play live? I haven't really watched any live performances from Green Day but I would assume it would have an affect on their live tone considering they don't have 6 guitarists playing on stage at the same time.
I just don't think they'd attempt to recreate something like this. It's not really needed in a live context. You'd need 6 individual players to actually pull it off, which wouldn't be very cost-effective - considering they'd all be playing the exact same part. The 3 guitarists they usually have live is easily enough to fill out the stereo field, without things sounding thin. I think that's more of a problem 3 piece bands run into, rather than a band like GD - who've toured with a pretty big line-up consistently, since the mid 2000s.
They don’t, but they do have Billie, Jason White, Kevin Preston and sometimes a fourth player filling in from behind. So there is a big live crew going on
Coming across this very late - but the live rig for Jason and Billie is actually the guitar signal split between two marshall amps for each of them - so effectively 4 amp sounds/layers there plus Kevin Preston who plays through one marshall/park. So when totaled up the live rig has effectively 5 layers/loops to it
It would be cool to do this technique then maybe throw in a Queens of the stone age inspired trick with fuzz guitar layers for certain sections! Or perhaps on one side a heavy distortion and the opposite side a thick fuzz tone. Just for extra contrast and weight during a certain part of the song
ngl I prefer the simpler 2 track sound, to me its a bit like having multiple vocal tracks, good when its subtle, but becomes muddy sounding if theres too much
Yeah I agree. I think people quite often forget that the intention isn't to hear 10 individual vocals all at the same time, but rather their job is to add depth to the one part that's being doubled, tripled, etc. Much like GD's 6 guitar layers. They don't want you to hear 6 individual guitar tracks at once, but rather for you to perceive it as one unified sound.
@@SugarpillProd As an example, I prefer the sound of the Alkaline trio vocals on the early stuff like Goddamnit and I lied my face off, over From Here to Infirmary, as the vocals get too lost in the mass of sound. Noticable on a song like 'trucks and trains' in the chorus, the vocals lose the crispness
Given those two examples, I think the main difference is just that the vocals are mixed louder on Goddamnit compared to Infirmary. Production wise, there isn't a huge amount of difference between the two records. Both mostly consist of doubled guitars, drums, vocals and bass. I think Infirmary has more emphasis on the drums, particularly the snare presence being much louder than what was on Goddamnit. Good Mourning in my opinion is a good balance between the two. Super upfront vocals, but it still retains the drums presence that they had on Infirmary, which was a bit lacking on Goddamnit. Though I get that it's mostly down to taste. Some people prefer "messy, raw mixes" & some prefer the more "polished" sound.
So you wanna record 4 individual takes, 2 with a cleaner sound, and two with a more distorted sound. Pan the clean pair hard left and right, and do the same with the heavier pair. Then just blend them to taste.
It was a guitar he literally just took straight off a guy who was playing in some kind of house band or something while they were on some Australian talk show I believe. I'm pretty sure they got banned from ever doing that show again and I don't think they actually ever aired the whole episode if any of it at all.
You'd want to record 4 individual ones. You'll run into a lot of phase issues if you just copy and paste tracks. I've made a more in-depth video about why not to do this, if you wanna learn more about it - ua-cam.com/video/NnVPqAwFDdM/v-deo.html
0:05 why did you use a RevRad song 😭 literally known for not having the best production, even though I absolutely love Bang Bang it's probably their best song ngl lmao
Mostly because I know that this is the way they specifically tracked RevRad, whereas the info out there for American Idiot is a little more vague. So I'd rather put out videos where I know the info is 100% legit.
Not saying you're wrong, but where'd you get that information from? I've never heard any mention of this before, and the record doesn't sound like it's quad tracked either.
They just don't. An upside that live sound has it that it just naturally sounds "big" through a PA system, so there really isn't any need to do something like that. It's done in the studio because they're trying to translate that big stadium size sound to consumers home systems, headphones, earbuds, etc. They could always double things up with backing tracks live, but I think Green Day has a pretty big backing band behind them now, so they quite often play songs with 3-4 guitarists playing at once, so for them it really wouldn't be a necessity.
I've touched on the subject before, but I wasn't really happy with my older video on it, so here's (imo) a much better version of it.
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I love greendays 21st century breakdown.
I did the same trick when I tried to recreate Nirvana's drain you, which has 5 guitar tracks at the same time.
I added a clean tone track and the attack is more defined, a very useful trick.
today i learned that drain you has 5 guitar tracks
As someone who's beginning to dive more into making rock music, this is very helpful! Thank you!!
I also think a lot comes from the way he picks in an aggressive kinda raking motion on the strings
That's what the two amp heads are for (pete and meat, 2 Marshall plexis) one is cleaner with a mid boost and the other is overdriven with a mid scoop.
Love how your finished result is a callback to Wake me up when September ends lol
More importantly they started to make their basslines insanely boring as to not distract from the big guitar sound.
I have to disagree. Mike is really the lead guitar player. I can hear all of his accents. Watch the 1981 bass video. It will blow your mind how wrong you are.
Thanks for the tip! Going to mess around with it in Logic today!
This series of tones is really good, keep it up!
this sounds so cool! i’m gonna have to try it
Was just looking for this! Was wondering why the picking attack didn't come through in my recordings
Glad it helped!
How does this affect them when they play live? I haven't really watched any live performances from Green Day but I would assume it would have an affect on their live tone considering they don't have 6 guitarists playing on stage at the same time.
I just don't think they'd attempt to recreate something like this. It's not really needed in a live context. You'd need 6 individual players to actually pull it off, which wouldn't be very cost-effective - considering they'd all be playing the exact same part.
The 3 guitarists they usually have live is easily enough to fill out the stereo field, without things sounding thin. I think that's more of a problem 3 piece bands run into, rather than a band like GD - who've toured with a pretty big line-up consistently, since the mid 2000s.
They don’t, but they do have Billie, Jason White, Kevin Preston and sometimes a fourth player filling in from behind. So there is a big live crew going on
Fun fact: All of the live amp cabs face away from the band, too. Kevin (Green Day's FOH engineer) gets way, way better sounds that way.
Coming across this very late - but the live rig for Jason and Billie is actually the guitar signal split between two marshall amps for each of them - so effectively 4 amp sounds/layers there plus Kevin Preston who plays through one marshall/park. So when totaled up the live rig has effectively 5 layers/loops to it
I feel like one thing that contributes to this is Billies two Marshall heads, one being more clean and the other being more distorted
Amazing.
Could this be the technique they also used in the early Billy Talent albums?
thank you for the tip! im gonna give it a try :D
No problem. Good luck with it,!
It would be cool to do this technique then maybe throw in a Queens of the stone age inspired trick with fuzz guitar layers for certain sections! Or perhaps on one side a heavy distortion and the opposite side a thick fuzz tone. Just for extra contrast and weight during a certain part of the song
21 century breakdown was produced by Butch Vig
ngl I prefer the simpler 2 track sound, to me its a bit like having multiple vocal tracks, good when its subtle, but becomes muddy sounding if theres too much
‘Too much’ regarding vocal tracks is pretty difficult to quantify vocal stacks of over 10 tracks are pretty common
Yeah I agree. I think people quite often forget that the intention isn't to hear 10 individual vocals all at the same time, but rather their job is to add depth to the one part that's being doubled, tripled, etc.
Much like GD's 6 guitar layers. They don't want you to hear 6 individual guitar tracks at once, but rather for you to perceive it as one unified sound.
@@SugarpillProd As an example, I prefer the sound of the Alkaline trio vocals on the early stuff like Goddamnit and I lied my face off, over From Here to Infirmary, as the vocals get too lost in the mass of sound. Noticable on a song like 'trucks and trains' in the chorus, the vocals lose the crispness
Given those two examples, I think the main difference is just that the vocals are mixed louder on Goddamnit compared to Infirmary. Production wise, there isn't a huge amount of difference between the two records. Both mostly consist of doubled guitars, drums, vocals and bass. I think Infirmary has more emphasis on the drums, particularly the snare presence being much louder than what was on Goddamnit.
Good Mourning in my opinion is a good balance between the two. Super upfront vocals, but it still retains the drums presence that they had on Infirmary, which was a bit lacking on Goddamnit.
Though I get that it's mostly down to taste. Some people prefer "messy, raw mixes" & some prefer the more "polished" sound.
Wait, are the two different tones each panned left and right or just heavy one panned one way and the cleaner another?
So you wanna record 4 individual takes, 2 with a cleaner sound, and two with a more distorted sound. Pan the clean pair hard left and right, and do the same with the heavier pair. Then just blend them to taste.
@@SugarpillProd I get it now. Thanks brother! 👍
And your channel is the best ever.
How did use those songs at the start without getting a copyright strike? Is that because its a few seconds long? Counts as fair use?
Yeah you're usually safe as long as it's only a few seconds.
The sound of the grouch live video isnt a good example, that show whas with the band’s tv show backline. excellent tips as always thank you tho
It's just b-roll for the text my dude.
The brat song was one of gd's most interesting chord progessions. It is all over the place.
Someone can tell me what model of guitar Billie use in the minute 0:11??
It was a guitar he literally just took straight off a guy who was playing in some kind of house band or something while they were on some Australian talk show I believe. I'm pretty sure they got banned from ever doing that show again and I don't think they actually ever aired the whole episode if any of it at all.
You make some really great videos bro keep it up 🙂
Could I get the name of the outro song?
Thanks! It's a song I wrote like 10 years ago, called "What Would Jeff Do?".
@@SugarpillProd it's super catchy! Hope to hear a full length version some day
Thanks again for the content!
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Does anyone know where that live concert was at 0;09 ?
Look for “The Grouch live on recovery tv”
I think france. Somewhere in Europe for sure.
this might be a dumb Q but should you just duplicte the tracks or record 4 different unique ones
You'd want to record 4 individual ones. You'll run into a lot of phase issues if you just copy and paste tracks. I've made a more in-depth video about why not to do this, if you wanna learn more about it - ua-cam.com/video/NnVPqAwFDdM/v-deo.html
@@SugarpillProd thanks watching. That makes sense
green day's guitars may be prominent, but I am still a bassist
I will be using this though
what`s the song 0:13 ??
The grouch
0:05 why did you use a RevRad song 😭 literally known for not having the best production, even though I absolutely love Bang Bang it's probably their best song ngl lmao
The production is great on RevRad for the most part - it's really only the obnoxious volume jumps that are annoying.
@@SugarpillProd I actually love the album, just what I've heard lol and yeah the volume jumps are stupid af lmao
@@SugarpillProd oh also I meant instead of using American idiot, known for having some of the best production out there
Mostly because I know that this is the way they specifically tracked RevRad, whereas the info out there for American Idiot is a little more vague. So I'd rather put out videos where I know the info is 100% legit.
@@SugarpillProd ohhh ok! Understandable then, sorry for being stupid 😅 lmao
Reasooooooooooooon!
Is that a Harley Benton strat?!
Nah, it's made by Donner.
@@SugarpillProd even cheaper. Sounds great. What’s in the bridge??
Just the stock pickup it came with. I never really mod any of my guitars, so everything is basically stock, haha.
Actually, it's all technically quad tracked on Dookie, but sure
Not saying you're wrong, but where'd you get that information from? I've never heard any mention of this before, and the record doesn't sound like it's quad tracked either.
@SugarpillProd just my guess with how it was done, and how I've recorded a sound like
Ah OK, maybe best not to phrase a guess as "technically" then, haha.
Actually, techniquely, blah blah blah...
6 guitars.... sounds like 4 voices of Dave in FF
How do they still maintain the same sound live? I mean you can't use multiple layers of guitars while playing live or can you?
They just don't. An upside that live sound has it that it just naturally sounds "big" through a PA system, so there really isn't any need to do something like that. It's done in the studio because they're trying to translate that big stadium size sound to consumers home systems, headphones, earbuds, etc.
They could always double things up with backing tracks live, but I think Green Day has a pretty big backing band behind them now, so they quite often play songs with 3-4 guitarists playing at once, so for them it really wouldn't be a necessity.