Re-Creating The Green Day Dookie Guitar Tone!
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Let's dive into Green Day's Dookie album and see how close we can come to the classic guitar tone!
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0:00 - Start
0:12 - Intro
1:00 - What Was Originally Used?
2:43 - What Did I Use?
4:45 - Full Mix Example
5:17 - Isolated Guitars
5:49 - Post Processing Walkthrough
10:40 - Wrap Up
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the bass tone on dookie is still one of the best ive ever heard
active P bass into a tube DI and an SVT. it's a VERY expensive sound to recreate 1:1
@@xsonicassassinxits an active PJ bass, does make quite a difference if its P or PJ in the mids and highs
@@xsonicassassinx*_Mike used a Gibson G3 until Nimrod._*
@@kevindie “Actually, on Dookie, I played an active P-Bass that I rented from SIR, because my basses were broken and thrashed from touring”
@@xsonicassassinx Recreating it 1:1 is expensive. But if you have a P bass and the right plugins, you can do a pretty good approximation. There are some amazing SVT emulations out there. It's also important to have the right pick attack.
More mids and highs would do it. Believe it or not a JB pickup can get you REALLY close without much effort.
Whats with modern guitarists boner for mids scoop that shit out
@@jackko21 I like it for making the guitars have more energy and cut, so that the guitar doesn't have to be turned so high up and dominate the mix over the other instruments when it can just occupy its own sonic space and everything else can also be heard. Situation dependant for sure, sometimes a bit of a scoop is nice and leaves a bit of room for some vocalists.
@@jackko21 if you like mids or not, it’s the easiest way to get your guitar to cut through the mix, because that is the frequency range guitars naturally reside.
Also for the purpose of trying to achieve a “Green Day” tone, you definitely need mids. Billie Joe loves that sound, and has been using it his entire career.
@Jackko 3.0 Guitar is a mid frequency instrument in the context of a mix. Scooping mids might sound good when you're jamming alone, but it'll sound like actual dookie in a mix.
@@Tybren dimebag made it sound good
Hey Fluff, I think it would be a difficult tone to replicate but it would be cool if you did a Songs For the Deaf guitar tone episode.
No one gives a shit about that. This video is for Dookie tone
I saw a video with the engineer on thaf album. Josh used tons of different setups on that album. That would make this a very difficult, long video, not to mention how tight lipped Josh is about this kind of thing.
Maybe pick a song from the album and try to recreate the tones on the different guitar tracks?
@@robertcaple5165 I saw that video too! Obviously it would be difficult to record it how the producer did but a kind of amalgamation of it using plugins and home recording would be fun.
@@imthegrinchthatstolechrist4384 bruh stfu
YES
Had no clue he used a Bill Lawerence. That bass on the album is so prominent. I always loved that about Green Day. The vocal harmonies were so good.
Such an iconic guitar sound, I mean everything in that album was just perfect. Thanks for doing your take on it, sounded great.
Dookie got me into punk. …And Out Come The Wolves solidified it. That’s crazy there’s that crossover.
Not really they are both from the same area, hell green day use to play with op ivy
@@aaronwetzel1981 Of course. But GD took off into mainstream/alt radio with Dookie, whereas Rancid wasn't ever really a mainstream band. I just never would've connected the two.
But now it's time to go listen to Energy. It's been too long.
What crossover?
@@imthegrinchthatstolechrist4384 Fluff was discussing using the same amp on both Dookie and ...And Out Come the Wolves.
@@dougc84 they're both from the bay area. Berkeley to be exact
I'm literally releasing a video today of a Dookie album medley. Don't think I got anywhere as close to you tone-wise, I just thought it was crazy you putting this out today haha. Great work as always! 🤘
Great video Fluff, this is probably one of my favorite series you have done, and this one is amazing so keep them coming!
I live in the Bay Area and used to frequent a vintage guitar shop in the 90s called UniVibe in Berkeley. I bought several cool pieces from there and struck up a decent relationship at the time with the store manager. One day, I was interested in a mid-70s Marshall cab that was loaded with original G12M25 “blackbacks”.
I had brought my Les Paul and picked out a Marshall amp to try out the cab while at the store, and ended up buying the Marshall cab.
By the time the purchase was wrapping up, it was close to closing time and the store manager asked me if I’s be interested in hanging around for a bit while he wrapped things up after the store was closed and that he had something special to share with me. I agreed to hang, and he brought out a Marshall 1959 SLP that looked like it was modded. He plugged it into my cabinet, and I played through it with my Les Paul, and HOLY SHIT!!!
At the time, it was THE MOST glorious sounding Marshall tone I had EVER experienced. When I asked him about this amp and IF I could buy it from him, he politely laughed and told me that it wasn’t for sale because it wasn’t his. I asked him who’s it was and he laughed and looked at me kind of surprised and calmly said “You really don’t know who I am, do you?”, to which I replied “Yeah- you’re Bill, the manager of UniVibe who I’ve gotten to know and who’s sold me some cool gear.”
He laughed again and told me that it was Billie Joe Armstrong’s Marshall, modded by Bob Bradshaw.
It turned out that this guy Bill, was none other than Bill Schneider.
Boy did I feel stupid AND privileged at the same time- embarrassing and exciting, all at once.
Seriously- true story.
That Marshall was BAD ASS and that tone stuck in my head for years.
Now I own two modded Marshall Plexis- one by Dave Friedman and the other by Jeremy at Ground Zero.
Both get that tone VERY close, the Friedman sounding a bit more “vintage” and the Ground Zero and bit more “modern”.
Thanks for this vid, Fluff- pretty cool.👍🏻🤘🏻
I still listen to that album at least once a week! It's definitely nostalgia for me where I was in highschool at the time it was released. I got to see Green day live when they toured for Dookie. I was beginning my career in the audio industry back then and I was so very impressed with their extremely simple backline and stage setup. They had one marshall full stack, a regular Ampeg SVT 8x10 and a drum kit a couple of wedges each and they were good to go. That tone sounds right on to me. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks so much for a good shot of nostalgia 😎
These videos are by far my favorite series of yours. I love getting into the nitty-gritty of the nerdy side of things
Never disappointed fluff 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻all the videos you’ve done like this actually sounds like the songs. Well done.
Love this album so much, first album I bought myself.. You absolutely nailed the tone Fluff!
This is awesome. Love your tone recreation videos!
dude i randomly remembered this series existed yesterday and coincidentally saw this in my notifs just now i’m so excited
You got closer than I would have. Awesome job, Fluff.
Great deep dive !!!!
A lot of people know about the Bradshaw/dookie mod, but I’m looking for info on the mod he had on his other 1959, referred to as “SE lead mod” from La sound design in their rig rundowns.
Yeah I found almost nothing which is wild
Billie has one he refers to as "Pete", which I think is the one here. The other one with the SE lead mod he calls "Meat". Meat is more aggressive than Pete. I believe it has an added preamp tube and I'm guessing a master volume.
@@RiffsAndBeards its the same mod Aldrich had made by Martin Gollub in his JMP 78 and remoded across time by John Suhr (Martin was the right hand for John and Broadshaw in the CAA company) and its the same mod the OD100 and in the crunch channel
In my research both the mods Billie uses were originally designed by John Suhr and tought to Martin golub(RIP) when they all worked at Custom Audio Electronics. The SE Lead is actually the same as the “doug Aldrich mod” essentially a plexi with a cascaded front end and an extra tube for more gain and a master/gain added. John is actually modding my amp right now with the dookie mod! Look out for it on rate or roast, Fluff!
@@fxflynn111 thanks! More info for me to research. Very awesome stuff and an awesome video too :)
Holy... This sounds *so* good!
YES!! I have this entire album memorized Lol First gig I ever played, first song I ever played was Basket Case. I was only 15 years old and loving it!
Jerry Finn was the man. He was involved with so many great albums from during his career. And the bands that he worked with seem to have had been very grateful for what he did for them.
love your guitar Fluff!!!!
Not trying to be a citric, but Billie plays the B5 on the root of the A string, and plays a open A power Chord and plays the C5 on the root of the A string.
Good lord, i recall digging Fluffs' vids since 2015 or stuff, i remember there were rather few good channels on metal guitar back in the day. Take care Fluff
So cool Bruce!
Yes sir!!! Thx for that vid!!!
Sounds like a metal version of Dookie. The tone is too scooped.
It's spot on insomniac tone yeah, for dookie just need a little more mids and less gain
Dookie had that mosrite feeling. I think he's got it pretty close. It is going to be hard though to get it right on point because that album is 28 years old. Technology has changed, pick ups have changed etc..
Sounded like a darker version of the Insomniac guitar tone.
Also there's still too much fizz in that distortion. Too much rawness for Dookie.
yeah, too much processing in daw
Love this 🙏🏼
Needs more upper mids/low highs but yea you got the basics. Playing was really great.
Great tone aside, that is easily the best drum sound I've ever heard on your channel, Fluff. Keep up the great work!
Such a great tone! Definitely some motivation for me to learn a bit more about Logic plug-ins.
Holy shit, you nailed it!!!
yes! finally someone acknowledges the bill lawrence. i just loaded my strat with an angled one and it sounds amazing. great video! more mids and high end and this will be perfect
Not a bad effort. I heard that BJA used two amps in parallel. One with higher gain than the other. So you get the grind from the high gain amp but also hear the notes from the lower gain amp. Not talking clean. But crunch + gain.
The two amps setup, named "Pete" and "Meat", actually started on Insomniac.
Also the slanted pickup does make a difference
I love this series. Would be great to see more recreation tone videos. Itd be cool if you showed how you selected the settings for the amp too. I didn't know the same amp was used on out come the wolves.
It's so hard to recreate the actual sound of the original recordings without the original equipment but I think you did a wonderful job brother brings back so many childhood memories of BMXing and listening to Green Day and Stone Temple Pilots Soundgarden Pearl Jam Even Flow wonderful job brother man I miss the nineties
Dookie saved the 90's for me, after the death of Kurt Cobain and disbandment of Nirvana they came up saving the whole ass decade.
Both players used Fernandes guitars as do I.
@@greenfly1264 kurt's Fernandes strat, the Vandal strat, is just a Fender with a swapped neck because he smashed and broke the stock neck
Awesome video
I have a Tele with a Seymour Duncan Hot stack in the bridge, a mark 1 Dookie drive pedal, and I run that through a Marshall DSL 15w 12” combo on the clean channel. The tone is spot on.
This is the first tone I tried to hack when I bought my Helix, Haven't touched that preset in a couple years, Vids got me thinking I should revisit it!
According to a discussion on a recording forum, the band rented a lot of gear from a local guitar center. Mike had a Pbass for rental and Billie got an American Standard Telecaster that was used with blue. There is an interview with the employee that setup the guitars for Rob Cavallo!
The Tele was probably for the clean tones since they sound very single coil-y (i.e. the outro of When I Come Around) whereas the distorted tone is all bridge humbucker.
@@benjipc5637 When I Come Around ends definitively after 4 repeats of the last bar of the chorus. Do you mean Longview?
I actually wonder if the Telecaster was used to double track since Dookie uses multiple guitar tracks. There is a hint of bite in the tone.
that bass was an interesting case. all of his stage instruments were a mess so he rented one. it was an active PJ, which was a far cry from the gibson G3. turned the jazz bass pickup off and ran the preamp flat. but that extra zing and punch was definitely the influence of an active bass. and then he switched to regular P basses forever and it never hit quite the same again.
Would be extremely curious to see you tackle some of the Critter era Angels & Airwaves tones! So crisp and tastyyyyyy. You da best Fluff!
Spot on
Idk, that sounds not close to me :(
Maybe playing around with the cab could get it to sound a bit more like the original.
Awesome to see this series come back, loved the vids on Dave Grohl, Billy Corgan and Adam Jones. I know I was asking this from before, but I’d still love to see one of these on Daron Malakian on Toxicity or Josh Homme on Era Vulgara
I have a 1959SLP from 1993 with a generic master volume mod, I want to get it Dookie modded so badly.
Almost 100% spot-on, except I think you may have used too much gain on the Friedman to begin with. Yes, Rob’s Dookie amp had the Bradshaw gain mod which added an extra gain stage, but if you listen to the isolated guitar track from any Dookie song, the gain is actually lower than you think; a lot of the saturation and gain you’re hearing came from Jerry’s mixing techniques.
I think the beefy trebly bass tone Mike Dirnt had on that album also made the guitars seem more gain-heavy too in a way.
Also, Dookie was recorded at Fantasy Studios in Berkeley, not Conway Studios in Hollywood. Jerry did us Conway as his homebase for a lot of his records, but Dookie was not one of them.
I need a full cover on this song with that tone
Welcome to paradise is my favorite, but also very challenging rythem. 🤘
Love your videos, Fluff. Guitar tone was really close, but the bass was missing a lot of top end in the mix. The bass tone was crucial for shaping and complimenting the guitar tone.
As a bass player man that tone was very disappointing.
I have a Paulownia wood strat copy with a Wilkinson high output humbucker and I play that into my Blackstar HT 100 watt head on OD1 and that sounds VERY Green Day.
the one thing that surprised me hearing the stems is that most of the low end came from the guitar tone, the bass was more in the hi mid harmonic spectrum and yeah, giving some fundamental root note below, but mostly a blown up muddy guitar, one thing that might had been counterproductive in this demo is the overal cleanliness of the drum tone, the lo-fi bleedy characteristics of the snare (yet fully sampled kick drum) and honky bass tones could make a major difference
Tom Morello's tone on Evil Empire, Steph Carpenter's on Around the Fur and Gavin Rossdale's on Everything Zen would be my votes! Love this series.
I was kind of hoping you would've used the Green Day pedal too. Close enough for rock n roll. Sounded great.
Would love to see you try to recreate the guitar tones from Godsmack's Faceless album. That might be the best recorded hard rock tone I've ever heard.
fuck yeah!! one of the best ones yet!
30 years of Dookie recording!
This is so close it’s insane
I think the straight Friedman amp sound from the beginning with the tape plug-in is where it’s at.
A tone recreation of a Mark Tremonti album (Creed or Tremonti) would be sick!
Do more of these
Good vid
Agree about the previous comments regarding the mids/highs. Will also add after A/B'ing with the original is that this version has a bit more gain and compression than the original track.
Yeah, the crunch on Dookie comes from the double-tracking and blending of the dirty and clean tracks. It's shockingly cleaner than you think but that can sound so empty solo'd.
Anthrax among the living, probably my favorite thrash album of the 80s
This guy is so fucken awesome
Hey, Fluff! I think it sounds pretty cool even if it's not exactly the same as the original. I'd love to see you recreate Mute's Fading out guitar tone 😁.
I love these tone re-creation videos. Not a fan of Green Day at all, but this was a very cool insight of one the greatest selling albums of all time.
Why do you have to put that disclaimer "not a fan at all"? Afraid to not appear edgy enough?😂
Nice. Next can you recreate 311’s “Down” on their self-titled album (Blue)?
Nick Hexum uses an ADA preamp with T Wah effect and Tim Mahoney is using a Mesa Triple Rec.
I’ve been trying this recently with my ‘86 JCM800. It’s the model with the renowned overdrive channel. I’m finding that controlling that 4K region is important
Dookie was what got me into punk in the 90's. For a long time I wouldn't admit it, but I'm old enough now that I really don't care who knows
You should try and do the guitar tone from Underoath’s Define The Great Line album. That would be sick!
Man Id love to hear a recreation of Bush’s album Sixteen Stone.
Not bad at all mate! Little bit more metal sounding but a bloody good approximation all around!
Lee malia sempiternal album tone recreation would be sick!!!
ive got spotify open at the same time and dam thats close to welcome to paradice. i think the re creation may have some more about 400hz but very very close.
I get my green day tone by basically having a set up of metallica's mop tone with a tv special with the vol rolled down to 5ish and tone to 7.
P90s rule and understand why billie pretty much uses them now.
Would love to see an Offspring Smash era recreation
Why
quick question, where can i find more info about jerry finn, he was the best recording, mixing all those guitars and as a producer he was amazing too!, but still can´t find more info about his techniques.
La2a, pultec. those were his salt and pepper. said he always tracked bass after guitar because the tuning of the bass was so misleading and without guitar for context the bass would end up out of tune. he was one of a kind.
Fluff, PLEASE do a pantera or deftones tone video !
7:35 Funny you mention the Pul-Tec. Jerry Finn had a Manley Labs Pul-Tec that was (apparently) often used. As for the amps, it's actually a little up in the air. I've heard Rob Cavallo had/has a modded JCM-800 with the SE Lead mod, and Pete (the first of BJ's modded Plexis) was an attempt at recreating that, then he got the other one. I've also just heard it was a Bradshaw/Crunch/Dookie modded Plexi, and that he had both amps and that they would blend between the two depending on how much gain was needed for the song. I could buy this, because Jerry Finn would often blend between two amps: a more crunch and mid-focused amp, and a more scooped and distorted one, just like both respective Plexi mods aim to do. Plus, it's how Green Day run it now. Though, I'm still not 100% as to what would've been on the album. As for the cabs, they appear to be Marshall 1960B straight cabs (there is proof of this, if you dig deep enough on Google), and the mics used were an SM57 and an MD-421, possibly with a U87 as a room mic. There's also a bit of back and forth between whether he used green backs or V30s, but I personally think it was V30s, though it's said that Jerry Finn would like to blend between those two, and sometimes a black back instead of a green back.
Having said that, I think Jerry Finn just did the remixes, and Neill King did the engineering and recording. So, it probably wasn't even Jerry Finn's gear used.
Either way, tone was excellent, video was good as always.
And, no, I haven't spent an excessive amount of time researching pop punk guitar tones, I have no idea what you're talking about...
that room mic is critical to the sound. i can't remember how far away they said it was.
They used a 1960a with g12T-75 speakers.
@@jacobgainor5219 nah, v30s
What I find funny, I literally did this over the weekend to play the entire album. lol
Hey Fluff it’s My Bday, thanks for posting this today lol
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
I love Dookie. Great songs. You nailed those tones BTW. Wow. That Friedman BE-50 Deluxe is killer.
L500XL was the higher output version, L500 was more 'vintage'
Should've not forgotten to approximate Mike Dirnt's bass tone, because it's such a key part of Dookie's sound. This sounded great nonetheless.
This album got me into punk full on as a weird 12 year old. It’s one of my favorite guitar tones considering the music style. If you can do it again, double the guitars and lower the gain on the Friedman. Not saying I’m right, but I think it would be closer. Also “and out come the wolves”. Is a nostalgia machine and a great record.
my chem recorded the black parade on that album as well.
it's interesting how the guitar and bass sounds on this record were out of the ordinary. guitar had a ridiculously overwound pickup. bass was tracked on a rented active bass that mike never used again. it's some of the most sought after punk tones, and they never used them again.
To be clear, the Bill Lawrence 500XL that was in BJ’s Fernandez strat IS NOT the same one you can buy from Bill Lawrence USA today. Bill Lawrence at the time was selling his own pickups under his own name, before being bought out by a company and having his name licensed.
The pickups were made differently after the buy out
So if you are looking for the same pickup as billie joe, you’ll have to find a super old pickup from the 90s that doesn’t have USA in the name.
To get the tone you should by the MXR Dookie Drive Pedal 🤘
I used to get his tone back in the 90s with a Gallien Krueger 250ml and a 412 marshAll cab. Don’t know know what kind of speakers it had in it . That long before I started taking stuff apart to see what makes it tick. I think a lot of Billy Joe’s tone is in how he played it .
Friedman Small Box channel 2 is on point for the Dook tone.
Have you tried the “dookie” pedal they put out a few years ago? I think they sound great but I couldn’t make myself buy one they were just too much money for me
Ive heard that the MXR fod pedal is just a rebranded Dookie pedal
since i can’t afford or find a 1959SLP plexi, i wanna try a mesa dual rec - do you think i can get a similar crisp crunchy OD tone using that and a JB SH-4 bridge pickup in my strat?
Listen to the first album of "betzefer" really good sound 👌
If you want a cheaper way get an older style Marshall mg100dfx I used to get spot on tones with that, maybe add a blues driver and an eq for extra tweaks
The only thing that would make this closer is Billie Joe himself playing blue. Awesome vid
White Pony by Deftones, Betty or Meantime by helmet would be sick 🤙🤙🤙
I’m terrible for listening for keys, but I think you weren’t tuned down to Eb tuning? That’s an important key in tone for the album, that and Ernie ball slinky’s in 10. Also I believe Billie had a JB Seymour Duncan humbucker at the time. It’s one I have in my strat, and it gets pretty damn close with the mids. Also the mixture of an all maple neck/fretboard is important as well. Otherwise, this was beautifully done and so professionally edited. Great job.
He is in Eb tuning here
More mids needed for sure
Gus trying to get a Topo Chico at 0:37.