Who Actually NEEDS Lishi's New SC20 Pick? [
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- The Lishi 2-in-1 style of pick has captivated many security professionals and amateurs alike, but if you already own an SC4 Lishi pick tool, do you need to upgrade to this latest version? Are there situations where this new pick might be less suited than the previous model? That's the topic of today's video.
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Yes: I do need it, because it’s a tool I don’t have yet.
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@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS right.... English.
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Never get into RF electronics if you value your wallet. My extremely rudimentary hobby lab is over $5k. :(
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On a lighter note, "I can't think of anything more exciting than crack cocaine on Mars"
Also, E keyways, for a long time were the go-to for churches, and schools for a cheap “restricted” keyway back in the day
One of the places where I worked that uses the E keyway was, indeed, a school owned by a church, hah!
@@DeviantOllam Heyyyy, that certainly tracks
You know even after doing rekeys for a severial churches over the years I never put that together before, but now that you mention it you're absolutely right... and it makes perfect sense since it's not restricted, but you're not getting it cut at a box store, and even a lot of locksmiths with brick and mortar storefronts might not have many in stock, and even if they do, it's gonna raise an eyebrow because outside of large facilities with multi tiered, multi sectioned masterkey systems, "who the F uses an E keyway???".
@@DeviantOllam It's late and i wasn't paying super close attention to what i was reading so i skipped a bit of that sentence and read it as "a school owned church" and went... "what... WTF would a school own a church for, or even how" before realising my mistake :P
Hello Deviant, So far you two talks on the Schlage keyways have been excellent. Thanks for posting.
thanks! i am most excited about Day 4 of this week, though
Dev, that's awfully mature going after the need versus want aspect. Add to it the increased fragility and analysis of how often you see those other keyways let alone have to interact with them, quenches the new tool lust. Slightly. It's still cool...
indeed... if folk already own an SC4 version of this tool then for many people that's enough. :-)
Oh, the "universal receiver" P keyway for common entries :3
A L blank could definitely fit loosely in that one...
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Is there anything better on youtube than some knowledgeable person saying "hey, I'm gonna do this thing, Schlage week, whatever..."
And then they just go ahead and do it. I'll have to get my Schlage cutaway out and follow along I think. Thanks matey.
Yeah, it all just sort of came together. :-)
@@DeviantOllam you're totally right, the 3D print totally makes the demo finger-snap clear.
C keyway was mainly for residential
E and others were usually iused for commercial systems
Not exclusively , but an observation from my almost 40 years in the business
Even for a locksmith, I would say if you almost never see anything other than the C, you probably don't NEED it... It's not like the other keyways are high security, or even SO paracentric that they are overly restrictive to pick with conventional picks, pick guns, bump keys, etc. So if on some RARE day you find a customer with something different, it's gonna be rare enough that the tool cost doesn't offset the time advantage of the Lishi in most cases. If by chance you get a BIG job, say a facility turnover and no one has keys or the masterkey schedule, where it WOULD.... well... That's gonna be a multi day job with planning and estimates, etc, so you'll have time to get it.... Then just buy it then and include it in your costs.
Like I said in my comment yesterday, I DO have two large industrial customers who use different Schlage keyways, and my initial response to the SC20 pick is "I gotta get me one of those!!!"..... BUT, (in a moment of uncharacteristic restraint to get the new shiny tool brought upon only by the fact that I currently have a key machine down with a bad motor, and an AR9 build in the works) I think I'm gonna hold off just a bit see if the price comes down a bit, considering that
First, everything I sell and install there is new, in box Schlage hardware, and in years of doing this I've NEVER had a box where the keys were left out. If it ever happens, I got 20 more of everything, as well as extra cylinders for all the keyways they use, on site, ready to go. At that point, that's a phone call to my distributor. "There's two types of problems in the world, my problems, and not my problems, and that falls into the latter category, so I'm gonna need an RTV"
Second, while I have managed to screw up a pinning or many over the years, since I test every cylinder before I put it back in the hardware, I can just shim the cylinder open to figure out where I screwed up and correct it.
Third, the locks are cylinder number stamped and recorded in the register, along with location, door number, change key it's keyed up to, including blank, as well as in the key issue log, etc, there's NO reason for any door to have an unknown lock, unless someone decided to flex their Granger account privileges, in which case that person's going to get a talking to from the folks I report to, AFTER I open it with ye' olde universal rotary pick and replace it with the approved hardware, OR in the case of new construction where someone decided to include hardware, in which case the project manager gets a talking to from the folks I report to, after I open it with ye' olde universal rotary pick.
And lastly, after I rekey it to their masterkey system if a lock suddenly isn't working, and checklist of "Check it with another key to eliminate a worn issued change key..... Flush it with TriFlow, run a blank through it and wiggle a few times (to correct most cylinder failures including the RARE occurrence of a #2 top pin getting wonky in the chamber, though VERY rare, and sometimes evidence of a bump attack, it CAN happen through SLIGHTLY rough, but normal use IF it's a high use door with a lot of #2 top pins, say a maison pinning on a conference room)...... Well then, I'm gonna get a call to actually be on site, I'm gonna repeat said checklist, and if I can't just bypass it, then SOMETHING has broken, to the point where the proper, fresh cut, key won't open it, which means I'd prolly just break the Lishi, and there's (unless there is a reason to suspect a bump attack) no reason not to kill it because it's gonna need to be replaced anyway.
We're always here if you have need. I've gone to places where you have to wipe your boots off in the dust, mud or weeds on your way out.
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Thanks very informative your book was another great investment a few years ago when I got into this crazy adventure cheers
Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Could watch you talk about locks and stuff all day. Especially if I had a whisky
Sounds like it’s good for a physical pen tester or professional locksmith, not really as useful for a locksporter or amateur/occasional locksmith; thanks for the good discussion of pros and cons 😊🙏
indeed... many of you folk can save your money if you already have the SC4 tool
Excellent video. Great info!
thank you! i'll keep them coming
Hey man, great video -
If I decode a lock that's a CE, and want to make a key for it, how do I identify that it's CE, and not G?
Would I essentially have to make 7 keys and do trial n error?
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Great words of wisdom.
So SC20 can fit "types" of locks intead of "just shelege" brand name? I got all 4 lishi. Kw / sc and sc20 plus Am5 and m1/m2 (spelling) lishi tools. I figured its just for the brand name only
pickin a schlage mortise while watching this
Commenting for the Algorithm, as I’m just seeing all of this series today (20AUG21), and missed/couldn’t binge YT until today.
Onto day 3 video!
Out of curiosity, is there a resource somewhere that has rough estimates of how common various types of these keyways are?
All you have to go on are verbal estimates from me and other people with experience who are commenting here. :-) because the Schlage residential line is almost entirely C keyway, that is why the C truly is like 90% of their products in the field which are Schlage classic. Of the commercial type spaces which are not C keyway (so, of the remaining 10%) I am pretty confident in saying that the E keyway represents the biggest share of that portion.
(But I'm not familiar with anyone who would have absolute hard numbers)
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Thx for Vid #2. I know L would be thinner - I believe my SC20's blanks are made of steel to compensate, did they compensate for the thinness on the Lishi as well?
the picks are all made of steel, but you're right that the body of the tool is thinner. the picking arm is the same, however.
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nice more schlages i cant get them easily here in uk everything is yale
Yes, Yale is indeed much more common there.
I mean... technically no, but they don't seem to have anything else for the E keyways that's depressingly common in commercial installations here.
I'm a bit of a utilitarian maximalist; so it makes sense to get one for me.
Well, we sell them on redteamtools.com, hah. We have you covered. :-)
@@DeviantOllam yeah, I've also been meaning to grab one of the DDC-20's for awhile now. Maybe it's time to place an order
"Utilitarian maximalist".
I think that means "I want every tool known to mankind."
I might have that gene...
Had to put some lesson learn here to work today... Just not sure what it would be classed as, covert, overt or goatvert. We had to get into an room but couldn't for the life of us pick the lock. Then one guy had a brains to look through the window at the issue... one of those locking jam keys on the other side.
We removed the doorframe from the wall, got the jam out then put everything back... we still don't know how he got out the room the windows don't open.
Any advice on how to do that in the future without removing the frame? lol
Remove the wall. :-)
Seriously, if whoever got out, there must be a way of getting in (unless it was a latch).
Are there drop ceilings? Are the walls and floor solid?
I once spent 5 minutes with a fire safe before realizing it was unlocked and jammed with a piece of paper in the gap.
believe it or not but I've encountered e keyways in residential. lady wanted me to just change the lock because she broke her key in the lock. I offered to get the key out and get another made. Took the remains to my local key guy that has an old school cutting machine. needless to say he didn't have a blank.
Very interesting 👍
could you go over the obverse and quad keyways. you might need your friends to get cores for these short of the ilco copied ones that got four numbers. the four letter ones are the ones id love to know if this tool fits....
sorry... four letter keyways? i might not be understanding there.
@@DeviantOllam wutr is one that i have plugs and blanks for, ursp comes up in forums and im sure more will chime in on it .
apparently needs a letter from the business to get blanks for. not seen many discuss it.
that reminds me i've been meaning to pick up a jackknife set for a while
any suggestions for buying practice locks ? i'd rather not risk breaking the front door
ebay
If you are in the US see if you have a habitat for humanity restore locally.
Or TOOOL sell them...
I've found the sparrows revolver to be a fun practice lock.
Take care dude.
You’ve got the best job in the world😎
it keeps me busy and happy :-)
Been watching you videos for a few weeks, love them. But seriously, what is up with your thumbs, longest thumbs I have ever seen!?!?
Shhh, it's his secret to how he opens doors.
He doesn't even need an under-door tool.
Just reaches under the door and hooks the latch with his go go gadget thumb.
Trade secret.
Long long thuuuuuuuumbs 🎶🎵 (sung to the tune of long long man taffy commercial music)
Are there any of these Lishi picks for euro cylinders? I find it very hard (or expensive) to get american locks here in Europe
there probably aren't too many, because many european keyway profiles are paracentric.
I have installed E keyway primus and standard pretty recently 🤣
that's pretty neat! (there is a Primus "H" blank, BTW, that fits both the C and E primus locks, though, heh)
Maybe it's just a trick of my tired eyes, a frazzled brain from making sense of Lodge bylaws, or enough caffeine to give a Yak the jitters. But, it looks to me like your background, or at least your background lighting, seems to have some sort of light/dark scrolling up it, like very slow movie credits kind of thing. Might just be compression artefacts, too, it's hard to say with UA-cam. (the conspiratorial part of my brain wondered if it was a really slow binary code for "made ya look" or something equally silly.)
you're not wrong, i see that, too. i'm wondering if it's something to do with my lights and camera interacting funny. if you play the video at super fast speed you'll see it, for sure.
i will tweak some settings.
Just curious, why did they skip D in their keyway naming scheme? Lol.
that's Thursday's video and it's my favorite!!
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excellent content... But you don't need me to tell u that ...
Keep that stuff up i really like this type of content
So, we had C, E, F G.. so I presume the next letter will be ß just to throw people off
Ahhh... Now you're thinking. :-)
too late....ordered 1 from you this morning.
we appreciate the order and we ship fast, hah. i bet you already have it. =)
@@DeviantOllam tracking says tomorrow. ridiculously quick
I need all of these XD
happy to send them to you from redteamtools.com =)
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Danke!
table top sure looks empty without 2 fingers of amber liquor...
i remedy that in the last video of this week! =)
@@DeviantOllam it's cool... I've been picking up the slack for you 😉
Need? What is this "need" you speak of? This is for fun!
Can anyone recommend lishi tool for europe locks
I don't think they exist yet. Deev commented in a previous video that many European keyways are a lot more "paracentric" (in other words, with a bendier shape) than what we have in North America, which makes it a challenge to design this kind of tool for them with enough side-to-side room for the finger to rise and fall.
Hey, today was easy. I might just make it til the end…
i'm sure you will =)
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@@DeviantOllam my comment was deleted. Having brain overload.
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