Ashton Kutcher & Mila Kunis Just Made The Biggest Mistake of Their Career (Disgusting)
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Topher is about to have a major redemption arc. He was given so much shit for not being buddy buddy enough with Ashton and Danny. His career was literally derailed because everyone accused his of being an asshole, and the whole time he was just trying to avoid clearly toxic people. Guy deserves a universal apology.
His career was derailed? Didn’t he have the most seriously acting career post the show? Thought he was the only one considered a “real actor”. Personally I always thought of him as the best actor - and Ashton + Mila were just strategic about making money. (Also Mila seemed to have that immigrant work ethic w all her voiceover work).
absolutely on all of it
Topher has definitely had the most succeeding career as an actor. He might not have the most money but he’s been in moving that have been nominated for an Oscar which is huge.
But I think his reputation with the public definitely took a hit after rumors came out about him not getting along with the rest of the cast years ago.
This reminds me of the time Ellen was cancelled for being a diva and having terrible workplace environment and Ashton came to defend her that she was always kind to him. Well, nobody accused her of being a b**** to Ashton Kutcher, did they?
You a Drew gooden fan? Because He says exactly that in his Ellen video
@UnjustifiedRecscancelled doesn’t just mean losing your job
who really talks about ellen if it isnt to mention that shes stuck up?? those views r going down @UnjustifiedRecs
that’s a really good point, i forgot about that
@@KingOfGaymeswhat exactly does it mean??
I saw this on twitter :
For years, Topher Grace was depicted like he was a stuck-up a**hole for not being besties with the rest of the That ‘70s Show cast, but guess who didn’t write a letter in defense of a rapist this year...
OMGGG so he really was the good guy for not wanting to be associated w that nasty crowd of people !!!
Tbh this has happened to me in so many workplaces. I get labeled as “you think you’re such a know it all” or “you think you’re so much better” just bc I care about health & safety protocols. But at the end of the day - who can sleep peacefully at night 🤷🏻♀️ only you can protect your own integrity! And sometimes it’s not the popular move!
this was one of my first thoughts. they portrayed Topher Grace like he was too good for everyone else when the reality of it is he just didn’t want to be friends with a guy who rapes people & a 19 year old who has the hots for a 14 year old.
@@hey-tuesdayHe was too good for them honestly. Good for Topher for avoiding them.
That fact that Ashton is so involved with child trafficking and is standing by Masterson is disgusting.
@@dsa199nyeah but she obviously didn’t know this would happen. also before this came out, he was genuinely helping children so what kendall rae was doing was the right thing.. she was never affiliated with him just promoted his organization to raise money to help children. she came out and apologized and is releasing a video soon.
His charity is actually extremely harmful to sex workers and has done a lot of bad things too
HIS CHARITY GROUP IS LINKED TO BEZOS AND THE CIA
@@dsa199n why what was so problematic ab it
@@melinadominguez679she was. She worked directly with thorn and families of victims of trafficking and other crimes. So she technically was involved with him, even if it weren’t intentional
Okay, anyone using the “but he was a good guy around me” excuse for these people, I gotta tell you: that’s because you’re a fool and they fooled you. They got you to love their mask.
My core group of friends got rocked by a dude doing this shit and half are apologetic for him and the rest of us are being ruthless, WHICH WE ALL SHOULD BE. And it’s so fucking frustrating to all be bamboozled by the mask but we’re also forced to cut off more friends because of how they’re defending them, it’s disgusting just as much as the original person was and they should be more than ashamed
They hide it well, I know from experience do to a former family member. But just because they’re a good person/friend to you doesn’t mean that can’t also be a monster behind closer doors. I wish people would understand that concept.
It's wild to me that any ACTOR would say that. Like yeah dude, it's your profession to sell us on a persona.
exactly
Exactly. And it's the ego that stops anyone from considering that they may have been fooled. But it can happen to anyone.
The hypocrisy of Mila Kunis for playing in that movie "Luckiest girl alive" advocating for SA victims is just unbelievable. I am repulsed.
Ugh and Ashton’s organization “Thorn” that “helps trafficking victims”
its called acting most people in roles are nothing like the people they play
@@dylanmcmahon3162 two things can be true at the same time. she can be nothing like the person she portrays and she can be hypocritical for being on a set for a min of a year and be engrossed in a topic day in and day out and still not give a fuck about the content shes memorizing and reading.
@@0103harleyqmost people aren't going to take jobs like that if they don't allign with their morals, so no.
@@dylanmcmahon3162usually i agree, but not here. Ashton and Mila held THEMSELVES up as victim advocates and voices on issues related to sexual violence. this is the most disturbing about-face turn ever
Just because someone is good to you, doesn't mean they are good to others. Most people seem to forget that.
it's because a lot of us are incapable of seeing things from other people's points of view
@@skippythealien9627 that ''see things from others perspective'' part of the brain that starts to develop between 3-4 years old is still severely underdeveloped in their case i see
btw ashton also defended ellen, when her producers and writers spoke out about how she didnt respect the striking workers, and how she brutalized the people who worked on her show saying " Ellen has always been nice to me"
@@Johnywang1There are rumors that both of them wrote character letters for HUNTER BIDEN STATING THAT HE TREATED ALL THE STRIPPERS IN A KINDLY FASHION..Also shared all his drugs consistently and fairly..
Topher was ridiculed for a long time by fans saying that he was antisocial and cold hearted when it came to the rest of the cast and how they interacted with each other. Everybody thought he was the asshole when in reality he knew they were all fucked up and they were pieces of shit to him, that's crazy. I feel like this was purposeful from the crew to be like "were not bad guys, Topher won't even hang out with us."
Always look to the outlier of any group for some truth about the group you cannot easily see. The outlier is typically villainized for not "playing along."
@@edricawebb1578facts!!!
@@edricawebb1578🏆
It's like coming to the defense of a serial killer because they didn't personally kill you lol
lmao true
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Every day I have to experience all of my family and so-called friends defend my attempted murderer, just be cause they were nice to other people. It's a revolting feeling and every day I wish someone would just believe me. I can't imagine how these victims feel, not only having people against you, but some of the most notable celebrities against you.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Topher Grace’s wife?! I love her response of addressing the victims.
I went to college with her! She’s definitely a real nice girl! Very humble and smart!
@@lilygudino2402 that’s so refreshing to hear!
Wait! What did she say?
@@isabellavillanueva4639she said "To every rape victim that is retraumatized by witnessing society debate and focus their attention on what is going to happen to the RAPIST… I see you”
@@imays12 powerful
For them to be like "but he was such a good guy in front of us"...yeah thats the point. That's why victims have so much trouble even coming forward. My attacker was a "nice guy". That's why I thought nobody would believe me. If you're gonna R word people you're not also gonna be a terrible person in front of people. They're evil not stupid.
AMEN
I’m glad we’re now holding accountable the people defending these predators too !!
I'm so happy this is finally happening
@@veronica5lmaafor a while I was worried that the incels had been successful at killing the “believe women” and “me too” movement. At least it still has support in spirit if no longer in name
Ashton Kutcher also rushed to defend Ellen Degeneres when her toxic work environment was exposed, citing that she was “always nice to him.” Ashton needs to learn to keep his silly mouth shut.
Nah someone has dirt on them
@@eEmm1 He should shut his mouth and let all of that dirt be exposed.
It's crazy how he's only been sentenced this recently because I remember reading about these allegations YEARS ago. Just proves that celebrities can get away with anything. Until they don't
Exactly, I knew back in 2017
It's because they can afford the freespeech to go against the justice system. That's why
Part of that is the criminal process can take a long, long time. Especially with R word cases unfortunately. Add in covid delays and a retrial because the first ended in deadlock and it’ll be years :(
Scientology flexed their muscles against it. Their reach is much farther than most people realize.
Sticking up for Danny's .. character I saw him hand a bottle of water to an old lady pushing a cart by his Porsche...Such a awesome 😎 moment ..This next incident really shows his kindness..A pigeon hit his windshield..He stopped 😭 his car and nursed the bird back to health..
I applaud the judge that even stated something like “no one is immune to Justice - Hollywood including “
I went to college with a dude who turned out to be a serial exposer to minor children. Many people who knew him kept begging the class to show up for “support” they didn’t understand how we all declined. Like, fuck that guy.
Thats wild as fuck what school did it happen in
The fact that KutcherKunis have a daughter themselves...and they dont support tge victims who are also someones daughters. Its disgusting and pathetic.
I will genuinely never understand people's tendency to believe something they were not partial to. These people in this video are so convinced that Danny Matterson is guilty simply because he was convicted, but courts get it wrong all the time, they are 100% corrupt. Just look at how Kyle Rittenhouse was let off. He's on video with a massive gun shooting people, and he got off. These people in this video do not have scientific minds. they are gullible sheep, mindless drones, the worst kind of people in the world. These people are destructive mindless monsters.
And MASTERSON has a daughter!!!!! And they brought that up like that proves something but it just makes it all worse!
Kutcher said he would happily leave his daughter with Masterson 👀👀👀
@@Alice-go2nceven if you know he wouldn’t touch your daughter what kind of message will it send to that daughter when she grows up?
@@Terry-pf4drthe message is that you can support rapists who are kind to you. If they didn't rape you or anyone that you actually care about, then their victims don't deserve justice. Also that her dad (kutcher) trusts a convicted rapist to be alone with her (pretty messed up, even if he wouldn't do anything to her)
It’s even more concerning because Ashton is an advocate for s*x trafficking and also defending a man guilty for basically the same acts
I was thinking the exact same thing! That’s so disturbing to think about. If he can look past Danny’s crime what else is he turning a “blind eye” too
He also defended that football coach who raped all those boys.
He should not be allowed near those groups anymore
@@CH-yn5slhe’s “stepped away” already, which PR people probably made him do. But that’s something.
he might be trying to clear his guilty conscience tbh
There’s no coming back from this for Ashton and Mila. It’s sick and sad. Can you imagine if God forbid one of their kids came to them and said something happened to them….their response “it’s ok, we know him to be good person so he doesn’t deserve any punishment”….SMFH
This is the reality for many kids, when they tell their parents a family friend or member SAed or r worded them.
@@mishaslilbae828💯 and it’s why victims are scared to come forward 😢
Ppl think they were trying to get him to not serve any punishment? Lol
I guarantee it’s not the end for them. Not because I think it shouldn’t be, but because it never is. If anything, it’ll harm her chances, but not so much his. For heavens sake, people who have committed terrible crimes still get work. The vast majority are never cancelled for doing bad things.edited to add, actually, if it is the end, it mostly just means they aged out of whatever career they had and it *might* be the nail in the coffin.
Ashton literally said in his letter to the judge that Danny Masterson is one of the only people he would allow to be alone with his children. He knew that Danny Masterson had been convicted of not one but two forcible rapes and still felt the need to say out loud that it would be totally okay if his young children hung out with said convicted rapist. Ashton is garbage and someone needs to look into him. Bc if someone I knew were a convicted rapist I would never say that they get to be around my children alone and I would certainly never call them a role-model because in this context Ashton's comments in his letter plus what has surfaced about him lately...well it certainly sounds an awful lot like "he taught me how to rape, assault, creep, and lie my way through LA"
I like how Ashton interrupts Mila because she’s “not telling the story right” and then proceeds to say exactly what she said just in a different tone🙄 It’s so obvious he knew it was wrong
To me Mila looked bitter and angry, and Ashton just came across as arrogant and cocky, “do you know who we are, consequences are for poor people”
"One time I saw him protect a girl we didn't know while we were at a pizza place" is the wildest rebuttal to a rape conviction where you're trying to get a person a lenient sentence for said rape convictions. As if real evil rapists just go around victimizing all women they come in contact with and would never do a good deed. Shit many serial rapists and serial killers have whole families with a wife and children they're sweet to and would never hurt.
What makes so many of these types successful monsters in life and their crimes is by how well they can accomplish being a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's absolutely disgusting that they do work around trafficking and sexual assaults so they of all people know their character statement is bullshit. They know that just because he was a nice guy to them and others doesn't mean he also couldn't be an evil person and dangerous rapist deserving of stiff punishment. They're straight up being deceptive.
A girl in a DV situation would probably seem like a real good future victim to a serial rapist.
So TRUE, especially about wolf in sheep clothing. In Sweden, we had a HUGE scandal where a women’s rights activist police chief, super prominent in media and always proclaiming how horribly women were treated, were accused of child r* in several cases.
Yeah, it made me think, “Thats the best he could come up with?” The guy protected a girl once in public while many people were watching? That’s the best he can come up with about the good content of his character? That says something there too.
@@annavictrix That was also my thought. "He may sexually assault women but don't worry he stops domestic violence assaults." Okay and? That's the best you can do? It really does make me think that possibly Ashton and Mila were actually coerced or blackmailed into writing those character statements for him by the church of Scientology. What they said was just so ridiculous in their letters. I mean fuck them even if they were forced to write them but it's real suspect to me.
@@Amyym naw, They're rich and powerful people. They probably thought their word means something
"Ashton Kutcher IS a serial killer, after all."
"... Do you want me to explain the actual theory?"
"Nah."
Love when it’s quiet and we’re just listening to Ethan keep calling them and idiot, moron, loser. These are the moments I live for.
Mila Kunis just seems pissed and like it’s such an inconvenience for her to have to say she’s sorry. I have always been indifferent towards both of them. They’re both only mediocre actors, IMO. But now I just dislike them all together! 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly. For some reason I never liked them, always found them shady and arrogant, especially Mila who one day says she's Russian another day says she ukranian after the invasion and so on
They came off so defensive and not apologetic. They really thought we wouldn’t see those letters that completely undermines their whole image.
They seemed bored and unwashed
I mean they've been blackmailed
Yes. Lack of integrity to the max. I can't believe they even mentioned that as if it would make any difference.
@@chasesigler9885nah don’t make excuses for these people. They decided to do it. Nobody forced them. Nobody put a gun to their heads. They aren’t saints, I recommend you look I to Ashton’s past, I’ve been seeing some very vile things resurface about him as of lately.
@@BillyMayDaysI’m sorry Moses did WHAT
Ashton kutcher is really digging his own grave. I’ve heard so many bad stories about him in the last few days
Yes, he said about Hilary Duff and the Olsen twins ‘we’re all waiting til they’re 18’. Duff was 15 Edit: oh, glad they showed that clip!
@@anaalicia5029 i was watching punk'd recently and either im experiencing the mandela effect or he also said the same exact thing about lindsay lohan.
@@anaalicia5029Thats mild compared to the rest.
Me too, I had no idea, it’s DISGUSTING.
@@lmaf132 people don’t think he did it, it’s that he didn’t call it in when he found her and/or pretended he didn’t know she was dead when he came to pick her up
*Ashton & Mila know all the Jane Does personally.*
Imo, that's what makes this truly gross, and, in truth, no apology what-so-ever.
They side with the r apist.
They did write it after he was found guilty - the letters say something along the lines of "I am aware he has been convicted of 2 counts of forceable rape".
Right, I really feel like they need to stop doing the 'i think' method when you can literally look it up. The character letter was dated July 2023. Masterson was found guilty in May 2023.
@@lucciddreamerr what was this most recent trial for then if he was already found guilty?
@@ciaragoddard4794 for his sentencing. He has been sitting in a cell this whole time waiting on the judge to decide how long he should serve for his crimes.
@@lucciddreamerrRight? This is how misinformation begins with yt.channels but I'm really glad Ethan was VERY specific when asking. The other co host was going along with how the misinformation began and Ethan was not having it. Like don't read and change the facts co hosts
@@lucciddreamerrexcept he was right, they had rendered a verdict but had not sentenced him yet, meaning the jury found him guilty and the judge has to set the length of his sentence.... otherwise known as sentencing, exactly what he said.
I am fuming. Mila and Ashton took part in the me too movement, I’m legitimately sick to my stomach
Not surprised that how these Hollywood virtue signalers are just like Amber Heard. And so many others that claim to stand for things and then commit the crimes they’re speaking against , it’s all performative.
Olivia, thank you for getting genuinely angry about kutcher-kunis bull$hit. It was very, very needed.
The first time to see her upset about celebrities she likes. I am shocked.
To play devil’s advocate, I feel like Mila is PISSED that she is in the position she is. I don’t think she ever wanted to write a letter and was forced to because of Ashton’s dark past.
she is a woman she should know better then to put her name on something like that unless she is 💯 sure she is behind it. She isn’t just some famous guys wife that has no agency.
Interesting theory
Imagine how many times judges have rolled their eyes over these letters. They're so over the top that it's creeper.
Why is everyone glossing over Danny’s Ex posting that Instagram story?? She basically confirmed that Ashton was apart of something terrible
When I was 15 I was in a film in Hollywood in 2003. Assistant was arguing with the director, who was my friends father while I was visiting LA, about their actresses canceling last minute. [In his apartment] She comes in, looks at us and says, " you're 18, right?" I said, "I'm 15." She repeats, " you're 18, RIGHT?" I repeated myself. She said," you wanna make some money? How old are you?" So I said, " I'm 18."
Urgh 🙄 If you go to your girlfriends house and she's not answering the door and you see 'red wine' stains everywhere, even if you actually think it's red wine, surely this is still going to ring alarm bells. He obviously didn't want to risk ruining his career/reputation.
In their 'apology' video, not once did they say that they're sorry to Danny's victims specifically.
Indeed. Even if you really believed the stains were "red wine," is she so messed up that she's spilling wine everywhere? And if so, is she o.k.?
But no, just go home and call your buddy.
The interesting part to think about is that grape is based on power dynamics - the grapist could have been nice to Ashton and Akila because they are his equal as per social circles - he chose to grape women who are disenfranchised and who didn’t have star power like he did - so the fact that he was nice to fellow celebrities/millionaires defeats the purpose of the argument- was he nice to subordinates? Was he nice to those he saw below him? I think the answer is no because he graped them
Yup that's typical with druggers. Its not about sex for them it's about total and complete control of another human being without their consent.
I've experienced it. It's not fun.
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You don’t actually have to say grape. The tiktok people just don’t want to get their video taken down. I would say r-word. But ofcourse you can say whatever makes you most comfortable
I find it interesting that their bar for human decency is that Danny defended a woman being beaten up on. I’m pretty sure that any civil human would do the same… why didn’t they stand up for her? Kind of a self report.
I'm surprises everyone is surprised by this. This isn't that far off from the Polanski petition to have Roman Polanski released from Swiss custody. Bunch of high profiles people like Michael Mann, Harrison Ford, Scorsese, David Lynch, Mike Nichols, Meryl Streep, Emma Thompson, Natalie Portman, Del Toro, and Woody Allen signed it. Parts of Hollywood will ride or die with people like this because they're that enamored
it's a huge reason why for me, hollywood means nothing to me anymore
i know it's often an attack used by right wing dipshits who are snowflakes when someone attacks Trump, but the point can still stand. Hollywood is so out of touch and enabling
Quentin Tarantino also defended him
Del Toro was a real disappointment to see on this list.
Its so normal in their industry and showbusiness attracts the most scummy kind of people. Deeply engrained in hollywood culture
Well of course Woody Allen would sign it….
Disappointed they didn’t bring up that we spoke about Ashton a few weeks ago with Alexa Nikolas.
We had already established that Aston doesn’t care about young women’s safety, or the law.
what is this about? I can't find any information on it?
Same … can you tell us ?
I love social media. In the past celebrities could get this crap squashed in the main stream media with their $$$$ and power but not any more. Love it
I think some people don’t think too much about the fact that a criminal is not constantly committing crimes either. They’ll walk down the street, buy groceries probably even hold the door open for the next person. So a rapist or any other criminal being “nice” to you doesn’t mean as much as they think it does
yup i had a coworker that was beloved by everyone at the store i worked at. he was a sweet goofy “golden retriever” type of guy. I ended transferring and working with someone he went to school with. Turns out he was accused by that persons friend of SA and DV and has an active restraining order on him. 😅 I was so nervous after that seeing him around it chilled me to the bone and changed my opinion on him completely.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t ashton kutcher and mila kunis part of some organization that help locate little kids being kidnapped
They are- it’s called THORN (the thorn protects the rose, like how they protect children from exploitation/trafficking/online mistreatment).
I really support their work with THORN but I feel like this is unforgivable honestly. I am an R survivor so this hits hard. IMO.
Yup :( there’s a very viral video of him in court talking about HT and CSA… now he’s doing this. Smfh
Yup. But their friend who does it deserves leniency.
I still believe Ashton and Mila are good people, I assume that anyone would do the same for friends or family
They shouldn’t defend a rapist and they aren’t good people for defending a rapist. Should a father defend his brother for raping his daughter? If he would, he’s a bad person. There is no virtue in loyalty to this type of person. Do you even understand how awful and damaging, even deadly, rape is? Even if a victim doesn’t die, get a lifetime disease, get permanent physical damage, or get pregnant (with even more terrible effects for the innocent baby), victims are negatively affected for life psychologically. This comment either speaks volumes about your morals or your ignorance, and I sincerely hope it’s the latter and I’ve illuminated it.
Orange shirt guy is getting "sentencing" and "conviction" mixed up, and to be fair, I think a lot of people do. You get charged, then convicted, then sentenced
Also, the fact that Mila Kunis was in a movie about said topic...like girly you played the role of the victim in the movie you'd think she would get it
She’s a victim herself she’s just too blind to it.
Go Olivia ❤🙌🏻 she is SUCH a needed addition to the show.
They brought up the drug free thing in the letters because Danny drugged his R victims. So messed up. He was so against drugs, but he was obvs okay using them to subdue and R women.
I’ve been asked to write a letter of character for a family member. I said no, and I’m an average person. Ashton, Mila and whoever else wrote one could’ve said no. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve known someone, or how close you are.
Ugh they’re just so hypocritical. You can’t support victims while protecting rapists.
I need H3 to do a deep dive into Aaron taylor johnson and his wife ....OLIVIA PLEEEEASE
PLEASEEE
Ashton and Mila's behavior (Ashton's specifically) seems soooo narcissistic. Even in their apology, the wording had everything to do with THEM and nothing to do with the impact on the victims. It was like they were baffled that anyone would take their selfishness personally. The way a little kid would be baffled that someone set boundaries with them. It seems like, "What do you mean, you're angry and I hurt you? Nothing I do is about you. It's about what I want to do. You're not important here."
“Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence. Parasocial relationships are most common with celebrities, organizations (such as sports teams) or television stars.” No hate or anything ❤but is this what’s going on here? Like it was their friend and they had the right to express how they feel about him. Perhaps they were also groomed by his lies and were fooled by him. He sounds like a horrible person and deserves what he got sorry just wanted to say my opinion like everyone else . Peace and love
@@KittyCatSpartan117 word up. you could have made that comment without replying to me because it has nothing to do with my comment but i'm proud of you for putting yourself out there
Growing up around fame and wealth your analogy is perfect: like spoiled children ,they can’t comprehend “no” or that others feelings matter as much as THEIRS.
@@883katiekatieword up.🤣🤣😎
@@883katiekatieYOU WORD UP
I dont think Ashton was being blackmailed. He's filmed projects with Danny in recent years and has been very buddy buddy with him. You don't act like that with someone who is actively blackmailing you.
They worked on The Ranch.
I think the theory is that scientology is blackmailing him?
@@cjboyo It's not that good of theory. Unless maybe Ashton raped someone else too.
Maybe he was Blackmailing Ashton to work with him and produce the show. Danny's name is nothing without Ashton or Mila because they are (were) the most successful cast members after that 70s show.
Yeah he’s not. People are just making excuses for their faves once again 🙄. Nobody put a gun to their head.
I completely understand being shocked because you had only good experiences with him and suddenly you find out he’d r***d people but to basically brush that to the side and say he should get a shorter sentence because he was good at masking who he really was is ridiculous! Also he shouldn’t be anywhere near his young daughter
They didn't suddenly find out. They've known for years and even know some of the victims personally. They hung out and must at least have witnessed some of shady behaviour. Birds of a feather.
Yeah I get that, I mean that I can understand that knowing someone for 25 years, even if they’re a little shady (I know it’s more than a little shady but he obviously wasn’t raping people infront of them so he’d be somewhat creepy but pass it off as comedic) to find out that they’d raped multiple people, at first that would be pretty shocking even if you knew they were shady. You’d maybe be in denial abit and disgusted that you’d been hanging out with someone like that and someone that you were really close to from a young age. However I wouldn’t be supporting them!! Silence would have been better, not getting involved with it all. What makes it even worse if they both have fame and a good amount of power so them saying this is worse than an average person like me where I have no real standing. They have influence over a lot of people and are involved with helping people that have been involved with human trafficking! Disgusting
the “exceptional character” part got me. how can you say that about a RAPIST?! it’d be one thing if she’d been like “he was always nice to me!” but character??? EXCEPTIONAL character? oh man
Not surprised about Ashton. He’s always been a creep.
Yeah I remember the way he acted in “Punkd” he was not the nicest guy
@@FabiolaMacabreyeah, I was never a huge fan of his, but a guy I went on a few dates with got me to watch some of punkd back then and I was over him (and the guy I dated) right then. I’ve never understood the appeal. It wasn’t even an original kind of show and it did it far worse than the shows before it.
I have had friends that I thought were friends for life and who I loved like family, then it would turn out that they made up rumors about other people and bullied them. I cut them out of my life and letting them know exactly why. Mind you, they were merely bullies and I said bye! Let alone if one of my friends was a r*pist!!!
After reading the testimony, it’s even more disgusting knowing they wrote those letters after the fact. The testimony was harrowing and should’ve been enough for them to look at their friend in a different light…
yes!! I thought they were written before the verdict not after
Yes. But instead they chose to deligitimise the victims by going on about how D's so against drugs. While knowing D drugged his victims before assaulting them.
Ashton said Danny never lied to him not once in 26 years of friendship. So either they never talked about Danny’s court issues or Danny lied to Ashton. Which do you find more plausible? Damn near every sentence from both their letters has more holes than Swiss cheese 🧀! I’ll never understand how they thought that video apology was a good idea. I don’t know how they will recover from this.
Classic “They’re sorry they got caught.”
I really like Olivia´s takes, her more emotional perspective is very valuable.
This was AFTER HE WAS FOUND GUILTY. Im sick to my stomach.
The lesson here is:
Be careful who you leverage your credibility to.
It’s a shame Danny was able to buy himself 20 years of freedom thanks to his church covering for him.
Your takes have made me glad to follow you. I'm so grateful that loud voices support victims.
"Fuuuuuu** this duuuuude."
BTW it's obvious that Ashton and Mila have not actually been in the participation of victim advocacy. Otherwise they would have known what a horrible idea this would be for victims. His organization is obviously a cover. It gives him a great image and he gets government money. Win win for him up until now. He was PRAISED for his company. Meanwhile all of the data we get of the greatness that Thorn is and its success is only from Thorn itself, no one else, ever. Thank God these people have been revealed.
Olivia was a queen in this episode. Loved her justified rage ❤
If yall do a flow up on this @growingUpInScientology covers this in its own video with Ashtons name in the title. He is an ex scientology who is friends with Krissey, the Jabe Doe victim, and covers this a little more in depth. This isn't the o ly rapist they've protected and continue to protect. Please please cover this again.
Please have Aaron on! He’s the best possible source on this!
YES! so glad someone on here is aware of his channel. Aaron does an amazing job going over everything. Other sources don't do it justice.
Please have ay ay Ron!!!
Off topic but Olivia is literally glowing she's so pretty
Did you guys remember demmie moore wrote a book and she mentioned that Ashton would constantly insist on doing treesomes with him while they were married…
Demi had ALOT to say about Ashton. He’s done.
hopefully it won't ruin anything for the thorn things because that foundation actually does very good things.
@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Harei heard the foundation does a lot of bad things. Sex workers hate them
Let's also remember that Ashton does a LOT to stop human sex trafficing. Dudes seen thousands of lives effected by shit like this and he STILL wrote that letter for leniency.
Nah, his org is shady too.
I'ma be real, now I wonder if the information they find online isnt vetted first to make sure it's not a friend, like, if it came across his desk that a friend of his was STing someone, would he put aside his bias? Or would he give the information to the authorities?
I don’t trust wealthy people doing any philanthropy with our tax code incentives to shield wealth from tax
The more charitable celebrities are the sketchier they are. Like I saw a news post for bezos donating 100 k or million to Hawaii and I just don't believe it's good intention
Charater Letter from Ashton: he doesnt always R- word women. I remember one time he defended a girl in a pizza joint. 🙄SMDH
This judge would of accepted those letters. “A California judge who lost his job after giving a lenient sentence to a college sex attacker has now been fired from coaching tennis to schoolgirls. Aaron Persky was ousted as a judge by voters over his sentencing of Brock Turner, who assaulted an unconscious woman at Stanford University in 2015.”
Its disgusting what ashton & mila did, like extremely gross
I used to be such a big fan of them both!! 🫤😞
For all who put the time and effort into defending Danny Masterson: why not just quietly stay out of it?Like:” no comment.” Easier, right?
"he doesn't do drugs and was sad about 9/11 so forget about the r*pes" like, ummmm okay as a former junkie, what is your point? He's better than me bc he never did drugs? I'd argue(and so would most people) I'm better than him bc I never r*ped anybody, but whatever. WTF do drugs have anything to do with the fact that he's a CONVICTED R*PIST 🤷🏿♀️😂
thank you!
They spoke about the person he showed them, a lot of people can be nice to others and be an amazing friend, but also he a monster. Both can be true at the same time, speaking from experience our family went through a few years ago. They should’ve just said no when asked, if his family’s feelings were hurt or whatever, then so be it
I suspect they’re too busy trying to convince themselves he didn’t do it because they can’t admit to being duped by his nice mask. I also suspect they didn’t know the letters were going to be released.
the potential issue is not just that his family’s feelings might’ve been hurt but scientology, which can be detrimental to their entire family if they decide to go after you because you made them mad or didn’t try to protect one of them.
If a person is being nice to you that doesn't cancel out the evil things he has done to others. Honestly, I would be worried if a demon was being nice to me.
Great comment. I, too, am always concerned when a bad person is trying to "side up" with me.
Does anyone else feel weird about the fact that THORN hunts online cases of HT and yet it's founder doesn't have the objectivity to separate his bias from justice for the victims? Makes you wonder if information is found about his friends being involved, would he divulge the information or cover it up because it's his friend. Idk, the entire THORN foundation now seems to me like a ploy for celebs to cover up cases of HT as opposed to helping victims.
They’re only apologizing because they got exposed. As for mila ya she looks angry because it’s INCONVENIENT for her to apologize. She’s doesn’t care about the victims.
Danny isn’t a victim
Ugh I can’t stand them anymore
Put them both in jail too!
While I understand the sentiment it's not a crime to be a disgusting person. If that where true majority of politicians actors etc would benin jail.
Give them all the electric chair
Nicki minaj did the same thing for her pedo brother and no one talked about it
the barbz made sure to keep that quiet af 😂
Her husband is a sex offender too
It genuinely made me nauseated to see their “apology” and the original statements. It’s incredible how disconnected they are from what’s normal. But what would you expect from a couple that should not exist as she was a minor and he shouldn’t have been around her. Like of COURSE she thinks this is normal! Look at who she was raised around! She met her husband at 13/14! What would you expect from HER? But Ashton the predator and creep…I can’t. Just I can’t. He shouldn’t be working with victims.
they started dating when she was nearly 30. Just because you met someone when you are a teenager doesn't mean you can't date them later in life. Ludacris suggestion to be honest. Also, you say he "shouldn't have been around her"---they were on a TV show together!! Wtf?
@@LmomjianYou do realize that they made her be his girlfriend and others on the show when she was 14, 15, 16...
@@HereDiianas it's called acting
@ 31:12 That interview of Ashton and Mila talking about their first kiss... Watch Ashton's face. You can see him silently freaking out hoping that nobody takes it seriously. I guess he was lucky that interview took place in 2002...
"Coleen" "Who?" "All aboard!" "Coleen" "Who?" "F*k me, right!?" "Aahhh."
Gotta love that in the past tobbi grace was called a jerk for not hanging out with the cast or crew... i think he was just smart and not an actual creep.
The fact that the letters were never meant to be seen by the public is just scummy af.
"She was grapped until she was a good vintage." 💀💀💀
i find it funny that Ashton literally says, “These were intended for the judge to read” because all i hear is, “we didn’t know you guys would eventually read these.” Also, I just want to say something, this comment section gives me hope. i can’t explain the anger ive felt seeing people come out of the woodworks to defend him, but i also can’t explain how happy i am that we are at a point where we aren’t standing for shit like this anymore. fuck abusers. and i cant put into words how strong these women are for coming out knowing how famous he was, and still standing together. i admire every one of them.
Saying you’re SURPRISED bc someone was so nice to you and did horrible things is one thing, but defending them bc of that and invalidating their crimes for that?? That’s wild.
Ethan looking like a skinny king lately
More than twice... other victims are coming forward today! They for sure thought the letters were sealed. But they were deceived. And now they (especially Ashton) are the ones under the microscope. They have opened Pandora's box. Ashton definitely knew how DM behaved. He was complicit.
its shocking how men in Hollywood treat women. All my favourite people are turning out to be assholes like Marilyn Manson, Russell Brand, Johnny Depp (he won the US defamation trial but if you look at his text messages he was not innocent.) I loved Johnny since I was 5 years old. 😭
At the end of the day, they could have told the family while we sympathize with you and Danny, no we don’t feel comfortable writing these letter. It sounds to me they don’t believe he did it
ethan i hope this video gets a lot of views, you spoke pretty well about this😮
You can love someone and support them, make sure they're okay, but unless there's a death penalty on the table (that's a complicated matter) people really should let the sentence be cast without interfering. Defending anyone who has so severely hurt other people directly undermines victims. They claim to stand with victims, but obviously they stand more with him. This is not a matter where you get to not choose sides if you make a public statement, you choose who to support, that's just how it is.
When my cousin was on trial for molesting children, no one stood with him. His father was in contact with him, but he didn't write letters to the court or anything. We knew the evidence was solid before he was even convicted, there was no doubt of guilt and we wanted him to go to prison for as long as possible. That doesn't mean his family doesn't love him, but he's sick and a danger to society. He's not allowed to ever be in contact with any of his relatives children once he gets out and this has been a non question from the moment we knew he did what he was accused of. Most of us obviously want no contact with him in any way, but I understand why his parents still want to know how he is, but even they are reasonable with it.
I just don't understand how Ashton could say he'd let him be alone with his kids. My guy, your allegiance is to your children. Smh. If I was the judge that would've instantly made everything in his statement reek of bs to me.
“We were asked to write a leniency letter, which we were fine with at the time, but now we regret…for reasons. We’re not really sure why, but this is what our PR teams tells us anyway”
Never been a more perfect time to say "Shut up, Meg"
Just found out a new type of people I hate: adults who brag about not showering.
I feel like Mila didn’t want to do this. She looks pissed and he looks sad
yea she looks angry that she's having to apologise. Reminds me of the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard video where they had to apologise to Australia. They looked like they someone is holding a gun to their head. And these people are actors!
I agree. Topher knows something and clearly is one of the few that doesn’t now to everyone (even cast mates) in Hollywood. I’m surprised I would’ve pegged Ashton as the free thinker. I always wondered why topher left the show early. It all makes sense now from the pieces we are picking up
You see that Topher hasn't gotten any other roles. They get black-balled for coloring outside of the lines.
@@edricawebb1578 completely accurate/ it’s so sad. And pathetic
So those letters were basically the celebrity version of whenever you see the friends and family of a suspect going on TV or testifying in court in their behalf. "My friend is a good kid. He never hurt no one. He was always nice to everyone in the neighborhood. He's not an evil person. Just cause he is on camera committing these crimes, and multiple victims have identified him as the suspect, and he was caught with the weapon used in the crime, and with property belonging to the victims. I don't believe he would ever do this."
This is the same thing people say about abusers. “She/he was nice to me, I couldn’t imagine him doing that. I have trouble believing it.”
But yes, Dan brings up an interesting point. This could be blackmail.
Dan's joke about the Portugal grapings killed me.