I noticed in another one of your mixing videos you were muting tracks one by one. You can hold Shift+ Command (control on a PC) while clicking on the Mute button to mute all the tracks at once. Then you can begin unmuting the tracks as you go. Keep up the good work and stay tuned for 32c V9. Its gonna be a banger of an update :) All the best, Nathan
Good video. You're right, their marketing oversold their product... But the criticism of lack-of-oversampling and cramping is also overstated as a problem. In the end, those issues are trivial compared to the bigger picture of getting the mix right and of course the performance itself. Workflow matters, and Mixbus 32c's workflow makes mixing fun. I'm hoping the new 8.2 release is more stable, I've had stability issues in the past.
Yeah, the workflow is fun, and the sound you get from it is great. In the end I can get a mix that is superior to what I get with plugins in another DAW, and I get that in less than half the time. Harrison Mixbus 32C really is better than any other alternative right now. It's the closest sound wise, and workflow wise to working on a console in the box. I know SSL 360 exists, but it's just a plugin container, Harrison Mixbus 32C still has some kind of processing in their DSP that gives you some console vibe outside of just saturation. I don't feel like the mixes I do in Harrison Mixbus 32C sound like a flat boring digital mix. There is still more than meets the eye going on under the hood. Honestly, we don't really know if the bell curves cramp in the DAW. We know they do in the plugin, but the plugin sounds nothing like the DAW. We assume according to marketing that the plugin is ripped straight from the DAW channel, but I did a comparison, and they do not sound alike at all. I am going to assume the DAW is done correctly, and the plugin was rushed, and released before thoroughly tested and inspected.
Yess have used alots of console emulations nd channel strips but nothing sound like Mixbus 32c it's hard to beat Mixbus 32c mix with other console emulation plugins biggest impact I have seen what Mixbus does to the low end is perfect
I recently purchased MixBus32c V9. I had spent a little time with Ardour..which lead me to MixBus which lead me to 32c. Being one of a handful of cross-platform DAWs out there (I run macOS and Linux with Ubuntu Studio Tools) and having modest system requirements was a boom for me. I love the work flow which makes sense and, for me, is faster. As for the "analog" sound I do hear a difference. But I can get that same experience with plugins in other DAWs. That being said, I find I use less plugins when I mix in 32c. The ch strips, busses, and master bus eqs, comps, gates, and saturation are incredibly versatile and easy to use. Are they true analog? Of course not. This is binary folks, but damn good binary.
Nowadays I work mostly in Studio One Pro, and it has a lot of the "sound" that Harrison Mixbus has, but Harrison Mixbus has never been CPU intensive for me, but I also work low track counts, usually under 24 tracks.
the music is awesome. ion know if this software is any more special than Logic or Cubase but i guess it's always interesting working through a new flow and this one was designed so you area focused on the mixer tracks (like an actual board) and that is cool.
Ya I can’t keep away from mixbus. The workflow is really good. I ignore 32c lol like I use it but I add my own Color and tone before the eq section and I keep it going. I am glad you are aware so you are not thinking something that’s false. As long as you know 32c module is not special you can just use them a bit differently.
Exactly. I do use it but I know what it is and what it isn't. Plus lately and in my next video I'm back to processing in the busses as well. Plus yes it's nice to have some options to add color over the whole channel when needed. In this case I really like the pre amp saturation from Analog obsessions "prebox". It's a free plugin. Sounds wonderful. 😊 Yeah, their marketing team at Harrison did a LOT of embellishing on what this software really does, but the product is still good even if not up to the marketing. It's still the best DAW in my opinion for mixing.
@@vigilantestylezlike you said, if there marketing team was just honest I would of had more respect. Would of been 10/10 for me. But ya I can’t trust them with 32c lol. I have spoken to someone from their team about a version of mixbus without 32x but with a different EQ with adjustable Q and all that and compression with with attack and release settings. I even asked if they can put a de-esser in the channel strip compression as a mode along side the leveler etc. So I can only hope for the future. They have a really good program. It would probably be better without 32c. Cheers!!!
@@MrSkyTown yeah I did some analysis on my own about the Harrison 32c channel plugin since they claim it's the exact one used in Mixbus 32C. I found the curves to be eerily similar to the SSL E channel black knob on waves SSL Ev2, but with cramping bell curves. The bell curves have a large proportional Q, so about 1.6 Q or so. The Q gets tighter when the bell is pushed harder. The filters on the plugin have a low and high bump, but I don't think that's in the Mixbus version. When I engage filters in Mixbus they don't seem to add a bump. Lastly, the leveler is very similar to an SSL bus compressor with the ratio at about 1.5:1 medium release, and variable attack time. Now get this. On the SSL 4000 B series console, the channel compressor was the exact same as the bus compressor. Which is why Harrison puts a channel compressor on the busses as well. The EQ in analog obsessions' 32C EQ called "Harqules" does not have a high shelf, "which is according to the schematics" and ofc no cramping. The bell curves are tighter as well. Ofc the old Harrison consoles didn't have compressors either... What I'm saying is... Harrison built an SSL console in the box, not a Harrison. Harrison Mixbus 32C is a modified SSL with a poorly coded SSL style EQ. The way I use it, I can get away with using the EQ for the most part, and sub in a better one when I need it. But! Also! The tape saturation, according to them is only on bass and mid frequencies to avoid aliasing artifacts on the treble frequencies just like..... Waves SSL collection does. Uh oh... 😂 Anyhow, I like Harrison's SSL DAW. 😂
I totally agree with you. Wish Harrison marketing would chill out and just be straight with us I actually like that the eq in 32c doesn’t have a saturation stage in the model so I can control saturation amounts easier As far as cramping is concerned I work at 96k anyway so it’s just not an issue
Great song, a classic!!. Mixbus is on my list to buy, it definitly had all the functions. But i do hope That in the future the actual sound of the console Will be a part of this daw. Bless
It definitely makes mixing fun and easy. Plus with the console workflow, you can do more traditional mixing methods that would usually take a lot of steps in other DAWs. The tape saturation is nice and subtle here as well. It's pretty well rounded for mixing. The only 3rd party plugins I need here are just the FabFilter total bundle and that's all you need. Everything else is there. It's a solid mixing system. I was hard on the company for making me think I'm using a perfect emulation of their classic console, but in fact I'm actually using a better version of their console with a good clean sound. That's what we struggle with in the box is cleaning up bad sounds, and this workstation does an excellent job at that. I'm using version 6 which is a sightly older version, but I feel no need to upgrade right now. It does all that I need. Version 8 is what's out right now.
@@vigilantestylez I now use 32c v8. Long story why I use it now from Logic Pro. The extra 4 busses is soo nice. I want to know what ppl use on their busses.
Haha so we are agree? I make some test to know who will give the better result but i think Presonus is the winner 🏆 Let me know what about you? I just try the ctc1 pro really interesting too
nice review ! i've tried mixing in 32cv7 and it sounds really good, but i tried to emulate it's sound in studio one (my current DAW) and with longer process i did it (somehow near it's sound) , so i'm not really switching to 32c, cause studio one's editing and production workflow is really superb. but i'm gonna use 32c somehow on some projects (mixing/mastering only).
That's awesome. Yeah, I originally was going to use Mixbus 32C as my main DAW but it's going to be used more so for mixing audio to video files, and I'm going back to FL Studio to do all my music centric mixing duties. So, I am still back on it in a sense, but for different duties.
I love mixbus, it just crashes to much for me.... but damn. I love having the knobs right there. I want a daw that I can just set up what ever channel strip I want with the same layout. It doesnt crash in playback so much. just when I am in menus and such... ssl 360 looks like a good option to slap on a more stable daw. I also like the midi is inline tracks in the arranger. I just saw Digital performer also has that. anyway mixbus is it, they have come a long time
FL studio doesn't have this workflow. Just mix clean. You can however buy Harrison's channel strips and use them in FL Studio if you want. But to me its better to work in their DAW instead of using the plugins.
@@vigilantestylez so its now way to get that vintage analog feel with fl studio stuck plugins do u mean i buy Harrison DAW to get that warmness glue for my mixes that sounds analog?
@@nsou9manoslil vintage chorus sounds pretty analog like, and fruity blood overdrive, if you know how to use it properly. I like Harrison's DAW for the workflow. It's logically set up for mixing.
@@vigilantestylez i kinda interest in Harrison DAW to be honest i like your videos keep it up the great work i have suggestion can you do mixing and mastering video only with fl studio stuck plugins 🙄❤️
Nice review but it is better to use Mixbusses for mixing as the next step, that's what this DAW is made for and that's where the analog summing happens.
Yeah, but it's just tape saturation. So yeah, if you want tape drive on everything. It also flattens the sound which is not a desirable effect. You can just put PreBOX from Analog obsession on all the channels and get some actual "console" preamp sound on all the channels like a real console would have instead of bussing everything. But whatever you like to do, if you like the sound, you're getting by running them through the busses, then by all means keep doing it.
@@vigilantestylez Sure but I do not mean the tape saturation,it is just perfect addition, the magic does the job underhood on Mixbusses, exactly how they called this DAW, it is created to use 12 (8) Mixbusses as a next stage for mixing and for analog summing, otherwise you do not use it fully.
@@gabrielstaniecki summing? For the saturation? Their summing is just digital summing you get in any DAW. There is no crosstalk or transformer saturation. Just the tape drive on the busses.
@@gabrielstaniecki That's what it is though. The point of analog summing is for saturation. But Harrison Mixbus doesn't have any saturation except on the tape drive. Now, that's the way they chose to design the software and it works. It sounds nice. But my issue with bussing was the flat sound it was giving. The instruments seem to have more depth and separation when they aren't bussed. There is still some saturation going on since they have it on the master bus too. So, it's not needed in order to get a nice mix. It's optional. If it's working for you, then that's fine, keep doing what you're doing. The main reason to do this in Harrison Mixbus is because they don't saturate the channels, so if you want more saturation, then bussing the channels makes sense. Or... You can put analog obsession prebox on the channels on the very top to give preamp drive to the channels. Which a real console would have. Maybe you can do both? The possibilities are endless. The decision to not bus everything is a choice I made because of a sound that I'm going for. I want a cleaner mix with a touch of saturation for the style of music I work in. But all that other stuff like there's summing magic in the busses is not true. But a lot of people believe this, but even the Harrison company themselves say there's no analog summing magic anywhere in the DAW. It's simply the tape drive on busses, the Harrison EQ, dithering, and floating point audio in the channels that give Mixbus its sound. There is no crosstalk, no harmonics in the channels, no tolerance modeling. Quite frankly, it's not needed anyway. To get analog sound in the box is a clever application of saturation for the most part. A noise floor also plays a part but Harrison Mixbus has no noise floor either. It's still great however. 😎
I noticed in another one of your mixing videos you were muting tracks one by one. You can hold Shift+ Command (control on a PC) while clicking on the Mute button to mute all the tracks at once. Then you can begin unmuting the tracks as you go. Keep up the good work and stay tuned for 32c V9. Its gonna be a banger of an update :)
All the best,
Nathan
Oh wow! Thanks! I didn't know that! 😁 I will do that from now on! Thanks for the tips! 😊
@Michael Morgan they love their community. 😊 It's this that makes them the best. Along with their great products as well. 😊
holy balls that daw sounds insane
It's amazing! Now they have Mixbus 10 PRO, which comes with the SSL 9000 J EQ. Very amazing sound!
Good video. You're right, their marketing oversold their product... But the criticism of lack-of-oversampling and cramping is also overstated as a problem. In the end, those issues are trivial compared to the bigger picture of getting the mix right and of course the performance itself. Workflow matters, and Mixbus 32c's workflow makes mixing fun. I'm hoping the new 8.2 release is more stable, I've had stability issues in the past.
Yeah, the workflow is fun, and the sound you get from it is great. In the end I can get a mix that is superior to what I get with plugins in another DAW, and I get that in less than half the time. Harrison Mixbus 32C really is better than any other alternative right now. It's the closest sound wise, and workflow wise to working on a console in the box. I know SSL 360 exists, but it's just a plugin container, Harrison Mixbus 32C still has some kind of processing in their DSP that gives you some console vibe outside of just saturation. I don't feel like the mixes I do in Harrison Mixbus 32C sound like a flat boring digital mix. There is still more than meets the eye going on under the hood. Honestly, we don't really know if the bell curves cramp in the DAW. We know they do in the plugin, but the plugin sounds nothing like the DAW. We assume according to marketing that the plugin is ripped straight from the DAW channel, but I did a comparison, and they do not sound alike at all. I am going to assume the DAW is done correctly, and the plugin was rushed, and released before thoroughly tested and inspected.
Yess have used alots of console emulations nd channel strips but nothing sound like Mixbus 32c it's hard to beat Mixbus 32c mix with other console emulation plugins biggest impact I have seen what Mixbus does to the low end is perfect
To it sounds even better than some analog stuff so what he is aying saying dos not makes sense to me
I recently purchased MixBus32c V9. I had spent a little time with Ardour..which lead me to MixBus which lead me to 32c. Being one of a handful of cross-platform DAWs out there (I run macOS and Linux with Ubuntu Studio Tools) and having modest system requirements was a boom for me. I love the work flow which makes sense and, for me, is faster. As for the "analog" sound I do hear a difference. But I can get that same experience with plugins in other DAWs. That being said, I find I use less plugins when I mix in 32c. The ch strips, busses, and master bus eqs, comps, gates, and saturation are incredibly versatile and easy to use. Are they true analog? Of course not. This is binary folks, but damn good binary.
Nowadays I work mostly in Studio One Pro, and it has a lot of the "sound" that Harrison Mixbus has, but Harrison Mixbus has never been CPU intensive for me, but I also work low track counts, usually under 24 tracks.
Thankyou !
Well said
the music is awesome. ion know if this software is any more special than Logic or Cubase but i guess it's always interesting working through a new flow and this one was designed so you area focused on the mixer tracks (like an actual board) and that is cool.
Ya I can’t keep away from mixbus. The workflow is really good. I ignore 32c lol like I use it but I add my own Color and tone before the eq section and I keep it going. I am glad you are aware so you are not thinking something that’s false. As long as you know 32c module is not special you can just use them a bit differently.
Exactly. I do use it but I know what it is and what it isn't. Plus lately and in my next video I'm back to processing in the busses as well. Plus yes it's nice to have some options to add color over the whole channel when needed. In this case I really like the pre amp saturation from Analog obsessions "prebox". It's a free plugin. Sounds wonderful. 😊 Yeah, their marketing team at Harrison did a LOT of embellishing on what this software really does, but the product is still good even if not up to the marketing. It's still the best DAW in my opinion for mixing.
@@vigilantestylezlike you said, if there marketing team was just honest I would of had more respect. Would of been 10/10 for me. But ya I can’t trust them with 32c lol. I have spoken to someone from their team about a version of mixbus without 32x but with a different EQ with adjustable Q and all that and compression with with attack and release settings. I even asked if they can put a de-esser in the channel strip compression as a mode along side the leveler etc. So I can only hope for the future. They have a really good program. It would probably be better without 32c.
Cheers!!!
@@MrSkyTown yeah I did some analysis on my own about the Harrison 32c channel plugin since they claim it's the exact one used in Mixbus 32C. I found the curves to be eerily similar to the SSL E channel black knob on waves SSL Ev2, but with cramping bell curves. The bell curves have a large proportional Q, so about 1.6 Q or so. The Q gets tighter when the bell is pushed harder. The filters on the plugin have a low and high bump, but I don't think that's in the Mixbus version. When I engage filters in Mixbus they don't seem to add a bump. Lastly, the leveler is very similar to an SSL bus compressor with the ratio at about 1.5:1 medium release, and variable attack time. Now get this. On the SSL 4000 B series console, the channel compressor was the exact same as the bus compressor. Which is why Harrison puts a channel compressor on the busses as well. The EQ in analog obsessions' 32C EQ called "Harqules" does not have a high shelf, "which is according to the schematics" and ofc no cramping. The bell curves are tighter as well. Ofc the old Harrison consoles didn't have compressors either... What I'm saying is... Harrison built an SSL console in the box, not a Harrison. Harrison Mixbus 32C is a modified SSL with a poorly coded SSL style EQ. The way I use it, I can get away with using the EQ for the most part, and sub in a better one when I need it. But! Also! The tape saturation, according to them is only on bass and mid frequencies to avoid aliasing artifacts on the treble frequencies just like..... Waves SSL collection does. Uh oh... 😂 Anyhow, I like Harrison's SSL DAW. 😂
I totally agree with you. Wish Harrison marketing would chill out and just be straight with us
I actually like that the eq in 32c doesn’t have a saturation stage in the model so I can control saturation amounts easier
As far as cramping is concerned I work at 96k anyway so it’s just not an issue
That makes sense!
Great song, a classic!!. Mixbus is on my list to buy, it definitly had all the functions. But i do hope That in the future the actual sound of the console Will be a part of this daw. Bless
It definitely makes mixing fun and easy. Plus with the console workflow, you can do more traditional mixing methods that would usually take a lot of steps in other DAWs. The tape saturation is nice and subtle here as well. It's pretty well rounded for mixing. The only 3rd party plugins I need here are just the FabFilter total bundle and that's all you need. Everything else is there. It's a solid mixing system. I was hard on the company for making me think I'm using a perfect emulation of their classic console, but in fact I'm actually using a better version of their console with a good clean sound. That's what we struggle with in the box is cleaning up bad sounds, and this workstation does an excellent job at that. I'm using version 6 which is a sightly older version, but I feel no need to upgrade right now. It does all that I need. Version 8 is what's out right now.
@@vigilantestylez I now use 32c v8. Long story why I use it now from Logic Pro. The extra 4 busses is soo nice. I want to know what ppl use on their busses.
@@audiolego I just use the busses the way they are. I don't reach for plugins much when using this DAW.
Do you try CTC 1 (studio one) you can have the same result without the crash and can sounds better too.
Yes! I have the Brit Console and Alpine Desk for studio one. 😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 and CTC 1
Haha so we are agree? I make some test to know who will give the better result but i think Presonus is the winner 🏆 Let me know what about you? I just try the ctc1 pro really interesting too
@@royalmusicparis Presonus sounds better to me.
@@vigilantestylez the same for me just finished a test and no doubt about it now, thank you for your answer :)
Wow...great video...one question, can I use Logic and Rewire into Mixbus, both together in real time?
I don't think so, but go to Nathan McFarland's channel and ask him because he is with Harrison Consoles, and might know if this is possible or not.
nice review ! i've tried mixing in 32cv7 and it sounds really good, but i tried to emulate it's sound in studio one (my current DAW) and with longer process i did it (somehow near it's sound) , so i'm not really switching to 32c, cause studio one's editing and production workflow is really superb. but i'm gonna use 32c somehow on some projects (mixing/mastering only).
That's awesome. Yeah, I originally was going to use Mixbus 32C as my main DAW but it's going to be used more so for mixing audio to video files, and I'm going back to FL Studio to do all my music centric mixing duties. So, I am still back on it in a sense, but for different duties.
REAPER is the best
@@phoenixrising4995 Reaper is nice too, but to each their own.
@@vigilantestylez From my knowledge its the only other Windows DAW that can support Harrisons LV2 Plugins.
I love mixbus, it just crashes to much for me.... but damn. I love having the knobs right there. I want a daw that I can just set up what ever channel strip I want with the same layout. It doesnt crash in playback so much. just when I am in menus and such... ssl 360 looks like a good option to slap on a more stable daw. I also like the midi is inline tracks in the arranger. I just saw Digital performer also has that. anyway mixbus is it, they have come a long time
Yeah SSL 360 with the 4KB plugin is a great alternative to Mixbus imo.
@@vigilantestylez just got console 1. I am loving it. so I think the search is over... for a bit anyway lol
You can have the same result with Studio One Pro / CTC 1 pro and all the plugin work fine not like Mixbus 32 c...
Micheal Jackson and Quincy Jones are on the Harrison
Absolutely! So was Janet Jackson too I think.
Queens the game was on Harrison
where do you download the Toto stems?
There was an old remix packs site that doesn't exist anymore and that's where I got them originally.
@@vigilantestylez I miss Napster
@@johnviera3884 same!
Can we mix analog style with only fl studio vst and if yes how?
FL studio doesn't have this workflow. Just mix clean. You can however buy Harrison's channel strips and use them in FL Studio if you want. But to me its better to work in their DAW instead of using the plugins.
@@vigilantestylez so its now way to get that vintage analog feel with fl studio stuck plugins do u mean i buy Harrison DAW to get that warmness glue for my mixes that sounds analog?
@@nsou9manoslil vintage chorus sounds pretty analog like, and fruity blood overdrive, if you know how to use it properly. I like Harrison's DAW for the workflow. It's logically set up for mixing.
@@vigilantestylez i kinda interest in Harrison DAW to be honest i like your videos keep it up the great work i have suggestion can you do mixing and mastering video only with fl studio stuck plugins 🙄❤️
@@nsou9manoslil I can make one. ☺️
How did you get these Rose Anna stems?
From an old remix packs website that doesn't exist anymore.
Nice review but it is better to use Mixbusses for mixing as the next step, that's what this DAW is made for and that's where the analog summing happens.
Yeah, but it's just tape saturation. So yeah, if you want tape drive on everything. It also flattens the sound which is not a desirable effect. You can just put PreBOX from Analog obsession on all the channels and get some actual "console" preamp sound on all the channels like a real console would have instead of bussing everything. But whatever you like to do, if you like the sound, you're getting by running them through the busses, then by all means keep doing it.
@@vigilantestylez Sure but I do not mean the tape saturation,it is just perfect addition, the magic does the job underhood on Mixbusses, exactly how they called this DAW, it is created to use 12 (8) Mixbusses as a next stage for mixing and for analog summing, otherwise you do not use it fully.
@@gabrielstaniecki summing? For the saturation? Their summing is just digital summing you get in any DAW. There is no crosstalk or transformer saturation. Just the tape drive on the busses.
@@vigilantestylez "I do not mean the tape saturation"
@@gabrielstaniecki That's what it is though. The point of analog summing is for saturation. But Harrison Mixbus doesn't have any saturation except on the tape drive. Now, that's the way they chose to design the software and it works. It sounds nice. But my issue with bussing was the flat sound it was giving. The instruments seem to have more depth and separation when they aren't bussed. There is still some saturation going on since they have it on the master bus too. So, it's not needed in order to get a nice mix. It's optional. If it's working for you, then that's fine, keep doing what you're doing. The main reason to do this in Harrison Mixbus is because they don't saturate the channels, so if you want more saturation, then bussing the channels makes sense. Or... You can put analog obsession prebox on the channels on the very top to give preamp drive to the channels. Which a real console would have. Maybe you can do both? The possibilities are endless. The decision to not bus everything is a choice I made because of a sound that I'm going for. I want a cleaner mix with a touch of saturation for the style of music I work in. But all that other stuff like there's summing magic in the busses is not true. But a lot of people believe this, but even the Harrison company themselves say there's no analog summing magic anywhere in the DAW. It's simply the tape drive on busses, the Harrison EQ, dithering, and floating point audio in the channels that give Mixbus its sound. There is no crosstalk, no harmonics in the channels, no tolerance modeling. Quite frankly, it's not needed anyway. To get analog sound in the box is a clever application of saturation for the most part. A noise floor also plays a part but Harrison Mixbus has no noise floor either. It's still great however. 😎