A 14 and 16 year old dead. A 10 year old injured. Imagine sending your child off with good wishes and hugs and being hit with the news that your child is dead. Absolutely tragic, deep condolences to all those affected.
@@jojosmitho304 They sold a ticket to a ten year old, that means they are legally required to run an event that is suitable for ten year olds. That's how it works.
@@supwititproductionz3738 That's not the point. If u have tickets that allow the admission of children then the concert should be appropriate for children. If children weren't allowed to be there then the security would never have let them in.
@@callumsnaylam1758 this is why all ages shows are shit. Young kids don't know how to behave and think it's cool to elbow people and shit in the crowd. In any case, it's obvious that the event organizers are on the hook for the massive logistical failure. My only issue with this whole thing is that people act like travis scott has anything to do with the logistics of the crowd, the venue set up, and the security/medical detail, and all of this stupid satanism/weird twitter shit
I saw GWAR a few years ago and experienced a crowd crush. When I tell you not being able to breathe being compressed on all sides is one of the scariest, panic-inducing experiences you can have I mean it. Picking up people that have fallen over after losing their footing is absolutely essential when there's that many people crammed into one place.
it's so scary! I remember my feet weren't even touching the ground at one point and I couldn't breathe for the life of me- and it was only with a fraction of the people who went to astroworld. my heart hurts for all of them
i went to the gorillaz demon dayz festival a few years ago and the crowd was huge and i was surrounded by people and was feeling faint. an absolute stranger gave me her water and picked me up and made sure i got air. I’ve been to countless punk shows and there’s a unspoken rule to pick people up and help if you see something. hell, I’ve helped people at shows without even thinking. this really did not need to happen.
@@ftanthony it’s funny because at big rap events like this there is a certain type of crowd (just look at the video and look at who’s actually there and who can afford to go aka young “supreme/hypebeast” type guys)… at smaller (non-superstar) rap events there is a totally different crowd who isn’t like that. I found that crowd to be the same as any rock or indie events I’ve been too.
I got pretty fucked up at Coachella a few years back (mixing edibles with a ton of alcohol). They had security all over the place, one guy brought me over to a medical tent, and dedicated medical staff that hooked me up to IV and stayed with me until I came to. I got extra water from them, found my group, and was still able to enjoy the rest of the day. That's how you run a festival.
100%, I've been in some sketchy situations with too many substances when I was more reckless and have always been looked after by staff & security. Ive also seen acts stop when something happens within the crowd, even if its a single person. This is inexcusable.
Exactly and of course we all know that it’s not labels, or venues that are in charge of these amenities. We all know all of these are set up and managed by the single artist. Not the multi-billion dollar corporations that pay for all of this.
Agreed, not gonna step foot in lala again till they bump up security, the same thing that happened at astroworld can easily happen at lala, so many videos every year if hundreds if not thousands breaking down barriers and running by security
Can you imagine just going into a concert for fun, only to end up losing your life and that very same artist that you supported by going to that concert could give a shit less about you. It's really sad to think about man. Rest In Peace to the lives lost and I hope the people injured recover well.
Can you imagine putting all the blame on one dude while ignoring all the people who didn't enough to make sure the event is safe and the actual people who killed others while not giving a fuck about the safety of others?
I was at a small punk show in Dallas where a dude tried to start a fight in the pit. The drummer of the band didn't even wait for anyone else to stop playing before hurdling over his drum kit and grabbing the instigator and throwing him out of the venue himself. It was a glorious moment
punk shows are probably some of the safest places i’ve ever felt, one time i fell over while moshing and everyone in a metre radius stopped dead in their tracks and picked me back up, and i’ve seen this happen with others countless times. that being my main concert experience makes this whole thing so much more upsetting
I once dropped my phone at a Radiohead concert. I darted down to the floor to pick it up quickly because the crowd was moving around. Thom Yorke realized this and he immediately said " i think someone passed out in the audience" thinking I had fallen. I was a solid 30-40ft away from the front of stage barrier at least. It was dark too. They CAN see what goes on in the crowd from up there. Some people just choose not to. Travis apologists need to stop.
There's a video of them performing Myxomatosis when someone in the audience passes out, and they stop the show to point it out and get the fan help. Thom and the boys are class acts, and everyone else should follow their lead when performing live.
@@lukecockburn1140 Most of them were responsible too, since there's a video (that was shown here) of some people dancing on top of the ambulance, and most of them were still dancing even though there were people being killed.
Astroworld was my first festival and would be the first time I saw Travis perform live. Some buddies and I made the trek cross-country to Houston. We went into the festival late on Friday, going in together. During the Don Toliver set we separated (I got cold feet about going into the mosh pit). I end up going to wait in the merch line for a couple of hours while the rest of the sets finish before Travis comes on (I wanted some merch to remember the weekend, now I'm not sure I do). I end up standing in the middle, far-right side of the Travis set. Everyone in my general vicinity was close, but not too close. We were spaced respectfully for a standing room only concert. During the first 5 minutes of the set, I noticed people from the front start pouring out of the mosh pit (which I now know it was to just get out and breathe). The set ended and I had the time of my life, singing all of my favorite Travis songs as loud as I could. I didn't getting crowded or overwhelmed once, for which I am incredibly lucky. My buddies were not as lucky. When the surge of pushing started, they had gotten separated from each other. One of them had to crawl out of the mosh pit, practically on top of other people and was luckily pulled by a security guard. He ended up losing his shoes because he had to step out of them to ensure not falling under stampede-like feet. My other friend was pushed around by the swelling crowd and eventually landed near a railing that he held onto for the rest of the night. We got back to our airbnb and realized what had occurred, as it was all over social media by then. Bottom line, my friends were just lucky to make it out walking. I was lucky that the merch line had taken so long. I know this was long-winded and if you read all of it, it truly means a lot. I just had to comment my experience. It's a very off-putting feeling, remembering a night that was a blatant, unnecessary, avoidable tragedy as one of the greatest concert moments I've witnessed. Rest in peace to the victims and prayers to the injured in critical condition.
Qualified events steward here. Crowd control is an absolute bare essential for anyone planning a large-scale event. After the Hillsborough disaster in 1989 (when 96 football fans were crushed to death in the UK) there were serious overhauls to British events law, and stewarding began to be taken much more seriously. Whenever permission for an event is sought, the organizers must state how many are predicted to attend and provide adequate room for every attendant, as well as providing adequate staff and emergency services Ever been to a festival and found yourself having to choose between two artists of about equal fame you wanna see perform at the same time? That's a deliberate crowd management tactic. It makes sure ppl don't get too concentrated in one area. And its why SAFE festivals arent climaxed around one single stage by a headliner thats much more massive than the other acts. It seems however that the US is much less squeamish about cramming in as many paying customers as possible to protect the egoes and wealth of organizers, major promoters and mainstream artists. The fact that the concert wasnt paused and safety announcements werent made is an absolutely putrid shock to someone like me who's studied the horrendous effects of poor festival planning. Travis and the organizers either knew that deaths/injuries could result from their ill planning and still gambled on it for the sake of greed, or they were simply incompetent and unprepared to handle a large crowd. Either way, this would be grounds for multiple life sentences in a country that values the sanctity of human life over profit When you go to a big event, make an escape plan. *If the crowd starts getting too thick, keep your elbows at your sides but angled slightly forward, bring your arms up against your chest, cross your hands over the ball of the wrist and flatten your fingers over your breasts (try it now, make yourself as flat as possible). This will act as armour to protect your ribs.* Control the urge to panic. Close your eyes and focus on breathing. Reassure yourself that you will get through this. In the same way that panic spreads from person to person, so can calmness. Be that person who puts faith in those you are surrounded by. And most importantly: *hold public events organizers to account.* It is your legal right and a moral obligation to the victims of horrible tragedies like this. Ask a member of staff where the fire extinguishers or first-aid tents are. If its indoors, ask at the bar if the ceiling tiles are made of fireproof material, what the maximum safe capacity is, or when the next test for the sprinklers is due. *You are legally entitled to request this knowledge at any time, and the staff are not allowed to obstruct or threaten you if you decide to report them to authorities.* If you cant get an immediate and satisfactory answer then they haven't been trained enough and its probably time to start drafting a lawsuit. Have fun, be aware of your rights, and make sure concerts continue being the safe haven we need in a post-pandemic world. Stay safe everyone
I saw Linkin Park play here in Australia and Chester saw a girl pass out on the barrier and immediately halted the show. His actions prevented her from any serious damage, and I always think about that moment when I think about the legacy that Chester left. This is such a needless loss of life. People went to Travis Scott's festival to have a good time and people have died, been injured, and undergone serious trauma in return. Travis has not only failed his fans, he has failed his city, and he has failed the live music industry.
At the end of the day he is still just an artist and all artists are different Chester was more of an exception not the norm because generally it's not the artist job to check on the well being on fans thier job is mainly just to perform on stage and entertain the crowd.
Where I live crowds go quite nuts so it's common for artists to stop the show and ask people to calm down if things are getting out of control. I've seen this happen with Pearl Jam, Eddie had to ask people to take some steps back because people at the front were in danger
@@iraford5788 they are the ones with the best view of the crowd therefore they should be the first to do something. The most sensible thing would be to at least stop performing until things calm down
I went down at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert in 2002 and man, it's some scary shit. A big surge, I had absolutely no control of where I was going and eventually lost my footing and I was on the ground with a load of people after falling on top of me. I genuinely thought I was gone. Couldn't breath, and the pressure, man, it's terrifying. And all this happened way back from the front so no one could see what was happening. It was only sheer will to get out of it that got me up. The stories you hear of people finding superhuman strength in certain situations are true. I still don't know how I managed to push myself up from a face down flat position with at least 3 or 4 people on my back, possibly more. I was able to help get a few others up off the ground then. It's a tragedy what happened at Astroworld and more so because no one stopped it. Heads need to roll over this.
When Chester passed I remember seeing that video of him stopping the concert and saying he’ll redo the songs as many times as he needs to as long as everyone stays safe. It’s so heartbreaking to know that an event supposed to be a huge memory for so many people has turned into such a tragedy.
I was there and it was a complete chaos, I’ve never seen anything like that. The only reason I didn’t get severely hurt was solely because I’m somewhat fit and was completely sober that night, and even then I almost reached a complete point of exhaustion just from ppl crushing me from every angle, and not being able to breathe in some instances. I saw ambulances right next to me that couldn’t pass through because ppl were “raging” it was insanity rip to those who lost their lives.
@@ates423 not very big I’m 6 feet 175 lbs, but I’m in the gym consistently and pretty strong, I’ve made it very close to the stage and most guys that were there were there because of their size, 6”2 and up, so after a while I couldn’t really hang there no more from exhaustion, once drake came out on stage there was no getting out of there, ppl turned into crazed zombies, if I drank that night (I don’t really do anything else) I probably wouldn’t have made it out without injuries.
@@davidawonaike1188 jeez man. I’m 6’4 200lbs and I feel like I would’ve had issues too. Can’t imagine what it would be like for the girls that were around 5ft. Edit: good think you came out alright from that
I'm reminded of seeing RATM at Lolla. There were several moments when the crowd was going nuts and people needed to carry their friends out. Zach stopped the show two or three times and made it clear that the people next to you were "not the machine we are raging against". My heart goes out to the families and friends of those who died. We gotta stick together.
Bro this's fact metal/Rock festival got it down, reminds me of Avenged sevenfold concert and shadow stops in the drop to says someone hurt, security gets the person out immediately and fucking bring the passed out fan to make sure they was good most band I listen do this, people should look at the humanity of artist and not just music, artist should always be aware of what's happening at theirs shows, they got people lives in they
@Michael Sprague I agree metal has its own set of problems, but nowadays things have changed and I wasnt talking about that part right now, but about the whole moshpit and festival culture.
Dude MCR stopped a show told everyone to take a step back, then take another step back, and that they wouldn't continue until the crowd did. People who think Travis isn't at fault blow my mind.
This is an incredibly common occurence from Adele, Kendrick Lamar, Rage Against the Machine, Slipknot, the list goes on and on, tons of artists regularly make it a priority to stop performing and make sure fans aren't in duress and make it an obligation on their part to make sure everyone's safe and having a good time, there's really a level of neglegence here that I genuienly cannot understand.
the amount of ppl listening and literally going concert to hear computer sound and for some reason this travis guy called this music is alrd mindblowing,
I don’t think anybody’s saying he’s not somewhat responsible for what happened that night but more so aware that he’s not the only one to blame. As a artist your main focus is performing and supplying the best show possible. It’s also a huge difference from MCR’s event and Travis event. 50 thousand people compared to 5 thousand is a drastic difference that can’t be compared what do ever. looking into a crowd of 55K people and expecting to see people collapsed under each other is very unrealistic standard for anybody. Faint screaming for help is zoned out by music and thousands of other people yelling, another unrealistic expectation for Travis to hear that while he’s on stage. He stopped several times to give people a chance to calm down and regroup. It’s clear on stage he doesn’t know the severity of the situation as most people didn’t until after the show was over. People that were alerted of the dangers and didn’t alert Travis are more so in the wrong as it’s partially there job to assure the safety of the concert goers. Admission staff, security, managers, venue owner, event coordinators the list of people to blame goes on. To pin this horrific event on one person is just down right ridiculous, too many people are at fault for this to just be a one person blame game. The media’s very fast to continue the cancel trend and people that don’t think for themselves follow along.
Travis Scott doesn’t seem to realize that his fans are people who have their own lives outside of his 90 minute show. They aren’t disposable props that you can use to create an aesthetic of chaos. Just disgusting man.
Nah, I don't think so. People still talk about Woodstock 99 to this day and Limp Bizkit's reputation has barely recovered 22 years on, they've mostly toured outside the US since then.
I remember the Iron maiden concert in Argentina in 2013, in the very first song part of the front barrier falls down as the people try to push to get closer to the stage. And at the very first second where that occurs, Bruce Dickinson stopped singing and tells the people to step back. And soon after the rest of the band stopped playing until they fixed the problem, that day nobody got hurt by that accident. That tells us that full awareness of the crowd by part of the artist on the stage can actually save lives.
@@weirdo911aw you realise he actively told his fans its okay to break in and over crowd the event right? You realise he has publicly admitted to wanting to see his fans "bleed" in the chaos he intentionally creates right? Gtfo with that Idol worship, excuse making mentality
When I was 15 my brother and his girlfriend took me to see Anthrax and Pantera for my birthday. We were at the front, as soon as Pantera came out everyone rushed. My feet were no longer touching the ground, I was being held up by people on 3 sides and smashed against the fence on the other. Next thing I know I'm in the VIP area surrounded by guards. I was loosing conscientious and a guard noticed and pulled me over the fence. My ankle was wrecked because apparently they had a hard time getting my leg over the fence since it was smashed between people and the fence. We were way too young to know the danger of something like that. Thank God for those security guards that noticed I was in distress. Something needs to be done to stop stage rushing. RIP to everyone.
Big ups for donating ad rev to those affected. It’s also really cool that you waited to make a video instead of spamming one out as soon as the tragedy took place.
I'm sort of unfamiliar with how esch video pays out to creators on YT. Is one video a significant amount of money? I've heard of big creators making $2-$3k for big videos. Do you think that's accurate? If that were the case I would donate for like a week just so a few burials can be covered and whatnot. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but either way, props to Melon.
@@justinssongsarehis2 if a viewer watches an ad for more than 15 seconds that's like 15 cents. So if there were 7 viewers to watch an ad for more than 15 seconds it'll equal to a dollar.
"Floor of bodies" is a sentence I can't even begin to fathom. This was so tragic. A fear I have is that if they pulled the plug, people would start booing and revolting (thus becoming even more uncontrollable) like in many instances in the past. Why do people become so barbaric and dangerous when everyone came together just to listen to some good music and escape from the world for a bit? It's so senseless. Heartbroken for these families.
Metal bands stop shows to help fans in distress all the time and nobody boos or heckles the band for it, they cheer and often help out if they're nearby. After stampedes in the 70s and 80s metalheads are told to look out for eachother, it's in the culture. Travis doesn't incite his fans to care about eachother, it's all 'rage' and 'making the ground shake'.
The fact that the stage manager has a direct feed to the artist's ear, and the sound engineers at the mixing station (they're the ones in the front centre of festival) who could just cut the sound and raise the lights didn't do anything is baffling. Also the fact that the artist can normally see what's going in is very troubling. Most bands/artists I've seen in my 25 years of going to gigs would stop the music and ask for the crowd to sort things out, why didn't Travis Scott see this, and more importantly, do anything? Especially as Scott has had previous for this - He's been charged twice for inciting riots at this gigs (2015 and 2017 I believe), makes this a very bad mix of a tragedy waiting to happen. The fact that Scott decided to play on, even when a fucking ambulance is driving through the crowd blows my mind. Think this is a watershed moment for artists responsibility for safety at gigs, as well as event management. I hope this will enforce some change.
plenty of moments when Travis did point out what was happening. the most poignant was when the golf cart ambulance tried to get into the crowd. travis pointed it out, asked what was happening, paused for at least a minute (possibly someone talking in his ear), and even had two concert-goers climb up on stage and tell him to stop. the concert shouldve completely stopped when the ambulance came in
@@sginrummy88 the 2 guys that went on stage weren’t up there telling him to stop. Travis usually picks people from the crowd to jump off stage and crowd surf, that’s why they jumped off the stage on beat. There’s a bunch of videos online put up as propaganda to blame Travis. But in reality he didn’t know what was going on, neither did police until the show ended. There’s a report that Travis didn’t even find out until he went to an after party after the show
Its the damn tone he set during the show, and the fact that this same behavior caused other similar smaller incidents in the past! He encouraged the crowd even after being warned before the show by HPD police chief, They had a code for body's before hand. Idk how anyone can defend this dude... As far as the staff and HPD. If they stopped the show they would cause a panic. Most of the people at the show had no idea what was going on till they got home. So why would they act any different in leaving then they had all night? With 50,000 people that tight all night surely more would have been injured leaving the place in a panic. people were sneaking in, in his home town at a festival he started. the people were going to freak the fuck out!
that carti clip is relevant especially when you think about how carti was going to play in houston couple weeks ago, fans rushed past security (much like the vids we see for astroworld) and they cancelled the carti houston concert smartly
someone went into the stage and said to carti whats was going on, no one went in to stage and tell travis what was really happening; he have people fallling out every performance
Carti shows carry the same sort of energy and intensity as a Travis show, but Carti has always shown a care for his audience that Travis just does not. Carti deserves mad respect for having the decency to cancel shows and stop performances to take care of their safety
@@jarrodiaria2973 bruh he literally doesn’t after his team told him what happened and that a girl collapsed he told the crowd they were doing a good job and f all that
The thing that really pisses me off is that Travis Scott stopped an earlier show because a fan was trying to steal one of his shoes as he was crowd surfing, and then spent a few minutes berating the would-be thief and telling the crowd to beat him up. So when _he_ is affected, everything halts, but when hundreds are in danger and screaming? He continues the show. This just reeks of someone with a death-star-sized ego failing to advocate for the safety of his fans.
travis scott and most people connected to the kardashians live such unrealistic, isolated, alienated from reality lives and egos that sometimes i think they can't even see their fans as real people
Hundreds of his fans being in danger does affect him because now his reputation is ruined and he’s going to lose a lot of money in lawsuits 😂 obviously he didn’t want this to happen
Can’t believe people are actually defending Travis Scott, he’s stopped shows in the past for much less (like losing his shoe) so the argument that “he couldn’t see or hear because of the lights & his ear-piece etc” is nonsense. He literally looked over at the commotion & proceeded to perform like nothing was happening. If there are people climbing at the stage telling you to stop, there’s no way in HELL he couldn’t have noticed that. He and his team need to be held accountable for this because had they stopped maybe the paramedics could’ve made it through to save some lives
He literally stared at a dead body being rushed out of the venue while demonically mumbling “yeaaa, yeaaaa”. It was one of the most unsettling things I’ve ever watched….he knew exactly what was happening. It almost seemed like he was taking pleasure in it…so messed up.
The always lifting people up when they fall mentality should be talked about more in other music scenes besides punk/metal. I go to a lot of shows and I’ve fallen hard and have always gotten scooped up and have helped to pull others up too. It makes it feel a lot less scary when you know people will help you up if you fall.
You're right, I've only noticed that at punk shows despite basic population thinking its a violent culture. I remember someone being too rowdy in the mosh pitt and a group of guys told the dude to stay against the wall if he's going to use the mosh pit to get away with being violent
Big shout out to Roddy Ricch for donating his earnings to the victims' families. He is as real as they get, he knows struggles and hard times, met tragedy during his come-up. He learned and acted accordingly.
I was there at summer jam when Travis Scott flipped out and kicked out a photographer. The guy was just doing his job, and Travis went on a power trip screaming “I’m an artist” while kicking the dude out. I was confused at that time. Just goes to show how much he doesn’t respect anybody not named Travis Scott. He stopped his whole show because someone was taking photos for work, but he won’t stop the show when his fans are screaming for help and dying.
@@CRAETION_ he is so entitled. He stole money from his parents and grandmother to fuel his music and lifestyle. Man didn’t even pay his grandmother back. Truly an entitled douche.
if this was Coachella, then Travis wouldn’t be to be blame, it would be more on the organizers, but this was ASTROWORLD, he’s the face of the operation, the responsability falls on him
He has to take of alot of the blame. He was aware to an extent of what happening. It's his festival his responsibility, he and his crew are to blame no ifs or buts. Someone deserves jail time for this.
Aron Morera: The video and police reports are pretty damning. Considering he had a big part in the organizing, and owns the festival, and is not simply the face of the operation, as you stated, it’s looking very much like he was very largely to blame. When an ambulance drives into the middle of an event, and he stops and acknowledges it, but doesn’t ask his fans to stop dancing on the ambulance or to let it through to look after the fallen, how do you say that he doesn’t know? Instead, he just went on with the set Without looking after his most vulnerable fans who were actively dying at the time. After the event was formally declared to be a mess casualty event, he went on for some half hour or more anyway. He is not just the face of the operation. I guess one of the following should have taken one of his shoes first. Perhaps then, he would’ve cared enough to Pause he sit and look for the person with his shoe. Perhaps 300 people would not have been injured, several badly enough to be hospitalized, and eight people might be alive right about now.
I was there at Astroworld 2021 and also Astroworld 2019, I can say from experience the shit was hectic from the jump. I was at the gate for Don and as soon as he started preforming I knew this was different the crowd was body on body squeezing each other like a tube of tooth paste. Bobbing my head to the music while looking up to take breaths of cold air from the top, soon realized I had to leave the Don set early because the crowd was bad. So proceed to push past 50,000 people to sit and rest while my body was dripping sweat from being heated by the bodies of 1000s dancing. For the Travis Set I stood there waiting for two hours to get a good spot, which I did was near the stage left side floating with the crowd trying to stay afloat before he even got on. The crowd was like a singular entity moving as one big wave, you had no control of your movement or who you were pushing or stepping on. My area was super hetic constant falling and pushing for 2 hours before he even got on. I’m a 6ft 200lb guy and I was getting pushed around I can only imagine the small people. The crazy part is most of the crowd had no idea people died until later that night.
@@richthekidsleptonmycouch man just having a good spot to see your favorite artist preform with other people who like him just as much. The energy is unmatched electric at that. Just a euphoric feeling sharing something with other people who feel the same excitement just as you do.
My two cents: blaming the crowd for the stampede Is a mistake. A similar event happened in the UK at Hillsborough stadium, and the media made it out like the fans were being rowdy, - but it turned out that it was the police and organizers who had directed far too many people into a choke point and basically smushed everyone to death up against a chain link fence. Basically, blame the organizers, and maybe Travis Scott for apparently not caring about his fans.
fr blaming the crowd is nonsense man, they paid money and went there for a reason, travis had to stop, if he stops the people leave, doesn't work the other way around like some like to think
@@lucianocoacci2129 that video of those fans running over ppl is hard to watch. at the least they could have been at least helping those around them that were falling
@@maka8551 there is literal video footage of him seeing unconscious bodies being carried away and continuing to sing. regardless of management, THERE IS NO EXCUSE for continuing the concert or denying the requests of people to stop. it’s disgusting and negligible.
I live not too far from Hillsborough Stadium, and despite the disaster occurring nearly a decade before I was born its still very fresh in the minds of my fellow South Yorkshiremen. We take this shit seriously, and seeing it happen again albeit on a smaller scale is heart wrenching. Once again people are being blamed for their own deaths and I can't stand it.
The first mosh pit I ever went to was for City Morgue and I cannot stress enough how much the two of them emphasized mosh safety. Between each song people would also pick up objects that others might’ve dropped and return them to their owner. It really feels like these fans that attended the festival don’t understand what a mosh pit is supposed to be.
Hey Brad I'm curious how do you feel about listening to Travis's music now I know you have said on AOTY that you really like rodeo so what are your thoughts?
When looking at how literally any other artist or band has handled overcrowding or fighting in the crowd..you see how much of a basic thing it is to tell the crowd to pick others up and stay safe. Even Lil Pump stopped one of his shows to tell people to step back and keep hydrated. Even Lil Pump had the decency to tell his fans to chill out. Travis lacks basic empathy. Its kind of creepy.
This entire event was Satanic Symbolism. Luciefer was the head Angel of music before he was cast out of Heaven for blasphemy. This was a blood sacrifice. Everyone going through his Head was the Sheep being lead to Slaughter. The stage was setup as an Inverted cross. His shirt said “See you on the other side” He told the crowd to point to the sky and give the middle finger to God. Security told him people were dying in the crowd and He continued for another 40 minutes. The entire event was Pure Evil. Travis is pawn for the dark side 100% should be in Jail and banned from all Concerts.
Yeah Travis Scott seems to like it. Check his history. Arrested in 2015 for inciting his crowd. Telling people to jump from the balcony area at a concert in 2017. I'm sure the list goes on but yeah he likes it when people get hurt.
at this point if anyone is still defending travis they’re being willfully ignorant. no one is saying he bears all the responsibility but you can’t just ignore the fact that he knew something was seriously wrong and continued to play like it was nothing. there was a body in front of his face and he kept singing. the man was completely unphased. he intentionally ignores safety measures and encouragers reckless behavior. he thrives on this type of chaos. people have lost their lives because of carelessness and lack of empathy. that’s more important than sticking up for an artist you like.
I agree man Travis has responsibility over this, and artist always looks over the crowd and make sure evryone is safe. Mans couldn’t even stop to tell everyone to take 5 steps back or something .
@@lamb9770 theres so many videos cut off to be taken out of context lmao. dude is right, he didnt know people were dying. i was there, its dark and you can barely hear anything but the music and even when the music was off you cant hear shit
@@hiocade5828 there were people laying down getting CPR on the ground and dead bodies at the very front below the stage where travis is standing. there is a video of him looking directly at a dead body in the crowd and just continues singing. you can’t possibly defend that unless you’re a troll. he even acknowledged it and told them to get him out. the crowd was shouting travis stop. there were people yelling on stage for the crew to do something. everyone who worked the show knew. they all have earpieces including travis. for this exact reason. SAFETY. he said “who told me to stop? this what you came for.” there were several points where the stage is elevated so travis can see the entire crowd from the air and there are clearly bodies on the ground and people trying carry out bodies while everyone else panics. he saw people die and didn’t stop. there are fucking videos of it. stop defending this man who does not give a single shit about your life.
My friend told me about this last night and my heart sank. There's something about tragedies at concerts that deeply upset me. Music is such a beautiful thing and it brings so many people of all ages together, and when something happens to destroy that, I feel terrible. Imagine the horror the parents of those kids that said "I'm just going to a concert tonight, I'll be back later" are experiencing. Now there are DOZENS of families left to grieve and it all could've been avoided if they put safety first.
Chester screaming 'pick 'em up!' was on my mind the whole video. Gave me the chills you put that on there, man..it's a fucking shame..thoughts go out to everyone who ever lost someone.
My younger sister passed out at the meadows festival a few years ago during a gorrilaz set and it’s one of the scariest things that can happen. You feel trapped and barely anyone seems to care. I’m very thankful to the few people that helped us get through the sea of people to a medical tent.
I'm no longer a fan of his after whatever this was. You've got to have a shattered moral compass to put a concert on pause over someone stealing your shoe, yet carrying on with another one while witnessing unparalleled chaos in front of you. Disgusting negligence. The "apology" that followed was about as insincere as it gets. Circling the drain. On another note, major props to Mr. Fantano here for providing an account and opinions on what happened without being biased. As enraging as it is, I'm a bit surprised.
I feel exactly the same. I hate this whole “cancel culture” but to be honest some people deserve it. I deleted all his music off my Spotify because I can’t listen to someone who is so morally corrupt. Chester from Linkin Park (rest in paradise) once stopped a concert because he saw a girl pass out, and that saved her life. And to be honest I don’t believe it was only 8 people that died. Videos of actual concert goers say there were what seemed like hundreds of bodies on the floor.
@@mjmjmj8911 Yeah, I’m by no means a cancel culture vulture, but in this particular instance, it’s like you said - the idea of bumping this guy’s music anymore just feels wrong. There’s a reason I’m not too crazy about playing R. Kelly’s music in the car or anywhere else. No denying the talent these people have, but what does it truly mean if their talents and social statuses aren’t being manifested for good cause? You can’t carry on showing support to these people in good faith when it is evidenced that they could not care less about the support that is so crucial to them being where they are in the first place.
A guy at my high school passed away at the event I didn’t really know him, but I hope his family finds healing this was such a horrible tragedy that shouldn’t have even happened
Thank you for showing examples of what artists *should* do when they see that something is amiss in the audience. I think people underestimate exactly how much an artist can see from the stage. I’ve seen musicians stop mid-song if they see *one* person fall out or if the audience is getting crushed. According to witnesses, hundreds of people were falling unconscious, there’s no way Travis Scott didn’t notice that something was very wrong. It really seems like he isn’t concerned about the safety of his fans. This was an avoidable tragedy. RIP.
I'm reminded of being at a Russkaja concert at a small-scale festival. They have a song called Traktor which is basically their circle pit track, a mainstay and one of the highlights of their shows. And when they saw that people weren't taking proper care of each other (because festival crowds are often shit), they straight-up stopped playing and refused to start again until the pit dispersed. Most likely prevented a bunch of injuries.
You should really watch the full concert. It’s not hard to believe Travis didn’t know what was really happening. The crowd literally sings along to the songs all the way until the end. And even when you see the crowd from his perspective, it doesn’t look particularly suspicious.
Recently was at a Suicideboys concert that was crazy, but they stopped the show 3 times to make sure everyone was good while throwing waters out. $not stopped a show recently too to check on a kid. Its very common theres no way i believe he didn’t realize shit was going downhill
That clip at the end almost made me tear up. There were multiple times Chester and LP spotted someone in trouble and IMMEDIATELY stopped everything and directed all attention to them. Those are people who actually cared about their fans and human lives. Travis just says that bullshit but fails to back it up. This isn't the first time people have been hurt at his shows. With his history of riling up the crowd, this was bound to happen eventually. Such senseless death..
Bro Roddy Rich immediately said that he was donating all his proceeds to the victims well before Travis even posted anything, that man has earned my respect for that and I'm just amazed at both Travis and Drake for their responses to this thing.
@@TheRealDl0 at least he supports the families that have lost someone they were depending on financially. you are the ignorant one. people cant fix their mistakes, they only can do good after their mistake, which is what roddie rich did. He deserves respect for that, I wanna see you donate millions to support families that have undergone tragedies
watching travis chanting “yeeeaah” as he’s watching a dead body being carried out is the most scarring thing & i wasnt even there. praying for these people!
Actually that clips was edited short by whoever posted it. The body he’s staring at is actually a person he paused the show for and told security to rescue. The reason he’s staring is because he’s making sure security get to the correct person. Watch the concert online.
@@DaemonJerky really? It doesn’t make it better than instead of being a psychopath that stares at unconscious bodies and sings to them, he got help for that person and was actually just making sure they got to safety? Well that’s quite odd.
It's so damning that this video on the subject is by far the most lenient towards Travis that I've seen while still sticking to the facts. Even if you try to be generous towards Travis, the best you can say about him is that he didn't prioritize his fans' safety. At worst, he actively encouraged unsafe practices. And that "apology" video he posted looked less like he was distraught and more like he just woke up with a hangover.
Travis’s reaction to this reminds me of that part in Lord Of The Flies where they all accidentally stab Simon to death because they thought he was the “beast”, and reality sets in that they went too far and actually killed a person. They were high on adrenaline and lost their minds because they were a bunch of young boys running rampant on a deserted island with no adult supervision and no sense of authority. Travis was no different from those boys, and it isn’t the first time he acted like them at his concert. Yeah the reality set in for him too, but far too late. I’m sure he cares more about those incoming lawsuits than the lives lost.
I was at a Ski Mask the Slump God concert once, coincidentally our Anthony Fantano was there as well. Apparently earlier during the tour a fan got injured, so Ski Mask and all the stage crew took the time and MADE IT CLEAR that everyone should be looking out for those around them, picking people up, and staying hydrated. They also tossed out free water bottles throughout the show. Like Ski Mask, Travis knows his audience and is 100% aware that this kind of thing can happen.
That clip at the end “when someone falls down what do you do?” “Pick them up?” Sounds like a prayer now. This tragedy should have never happened. My heart hurts for all the victims.
Just for some context. I am an EMT and I have worked at festivals like this. That “security cart” is what we call a Merv. Basically a heavy duty golf cart for medical staff. So, what you see there is a Merv most likely staffed with an EMT and a Paramedic who are TRYING to get to a patient that needs medical attention. I’ve seen crowds like this and it can crazy. Props to all emergency personal on and off duty trying to help. RIP to the victims and their families, my prayers to all the injured. Hopefully we can learn from this.
I have been to multiple concerts that have been stopped as they forced attendees to step backwards to relieve pressure. I also was near the front row of another show and a girl was freaking out about the pressure next to me so those surrounding lifted her up on top of the crowd and surfed her outta there. Travis definitely has responsibility for what occured. Education of the crowd should also be done by artists as they open to set the example especially those with younger fanbases.
I was in the camp of defending Travis...before I saw the videos and pictures. "This shit is loud and the crowd is massive. He could've easily not known." Well...he knew. Not the numbers, but when there's an acknowledged ambulance in the middle of the crowd, unconscious bodies and chants to stop the show. The more I think about it, the worse it gets. Feels like Travis read about the bystander effect and thought it'd be a great sequel to 'BUTTERFLY EFFECT'.
beyond Travis Scott himself being willfully ignorant of the situation, it BLOWS my mind the festival staff/organizers didn't even step in to relay the severity of the situation immediately to him while he just continued performing. utter tragedy.
EXACTLY. I agree with this statement, but I actually saw a video of him being told by two members of the show about “something” while he was on stage. As to what those guys said while he was on stage, we don’t know (as of yet) but to me, that’s the biggest determining factor of if he could have done a better job than he did.
when did he acknowledge chants to stop the show? From the videos i e seen those were not only out of earshot, but out of eyesight. Hundreds of rows back from the stage. He acknowledged unconscious bodies by stopping the show and directing security to help those people out. But expecting him to have knowledge of what's happening hundreds of rows of people back is absurd
@@lax5798 I'm asking, where is the video of him acknowledging people telling him to stop and him disregarding it. I've watched all the videos Ive been able to find and ss far as Ive seen this did not happen.
Even Cudi (who Travis' inspired by and the person who was personified as Mr Rager) would not let his fans go apeshit due to concern on their safety. While Travis here acting and ordering his crowds to act "raAGe" like mindless 7 year old.
As a 60 something man I remember The Who concert on December 3, 1979 at Riverfront Coliseum. Because of doors that were not open on time and sounds that the concert goers assumed were The Who starting early people started to rush the entrance (where only two of the doors were open) 11 people died in the crush. It sometimes seems that we human are simply incapable of learning from tragedy
Back in august I was at the Donda listening party at soldier field and once they opened the gates up every single person was running to the merch line. I was jogging for a little bit then thought it was absurd to be running as fast as one could just for a shirt. I had ended up talking with a security guard while walking through the stadium and he mentioned how the merch hadn't even arrived at the stadium yet. and as i both got to the bottom of the ramp to head to my seat i was swarmed on both sides by hundreds of people trying to find whatever merch stand had items. I was stuck, couldn't move anywhere because people thought I was trying to cut them in line. After a while it became hard to breathe (and I am relatively tall 6'2") and I slowly made my way to the edge of the crowd as I could. Finally got some air and suddenly one security guard moved a stantion that opened up space towards the empty table. And that moment the crowds stampeded over baricades to get closer to that table, I moved with the crowd for a bit just to not get trampled. But there was a stone formation in the stadium that my leg got suck in, I was unable to move due to the crowd pushing harder and harder against me. the stone began digging into my skin of my calf/leg and I soon felt so much pressure that i thought my shin was going to snap as my upper leg and body was being pushed down and climbed over. I don't know exactly how I mustered up the strength to move against enough people to pull my leg out and just hug a pole close by so the crowd would go around so I could survive. once the crowd had moved on I went to a security guard to try and find first aid to help me with my leg as it was extremely bloody and he said he didn't think there was first aid. I then asked one of the concessions workers if there was first aid and there was no one. I can't believe how unprepared artists and teams and companys such as livenation are and I am so sad to hear many were not able to get the help they need. My heart goes out to all those families who lost someone at this festival. I hope major changes happen and that travis and his team accept responsibility because it is all on them.
I’ve been in the front at shows with a fraction of this many people and know how intense the crowd pushing forward can be and how trapped you can feel. The though of a crowd that size doing it is terrifying.
Bruh i was at alt ldn lil yachty and i thought my leg was gonna break because there was a domino effect where like 20 people fell over on each other and i couldn’t move
@@MinecraftWillZoBoB I was there I’m more than 6ft tall, my friend even taller, and we got caught up in it My exact point of reference for this too. The surging effect was starting to get a bit scary n made me worried about my sister. Cant imagine how powerful it would be in a crowd like this
@@MinecraftWillZoBoB it's horrifying man. I've only momentarily experienced that "crowd crush" feeling, but I geniunely was lifted off the ground, my arms were stuck in the air and I couldn't breath. Imagine that for an entire hour plus
That the scariest thing ever. This coulda been anyone. Me, you, your brother, your friend. Is even eerier to me because I was talking with my friends the day before the festival how we shoulda went this year, how we should definitely save money to go next year, how lucky some people were going to be able to go, etc
@@FMDedits yeah at the time though i never thought i was danger, maybe i was a little bit but i think it a very different thing, like only 1000 people at alt ldn but i'm guessing there were so many people at astro that they just could'nt fit and toppled onto each other and if it was like yachty but 5x worse then it makes sense how people died
Honestly I’m going to have a hard time listening to Travis again after this, this was horribly tragic, and it could’ve 100% been prevented. RIP to all those that were lost. 🙏
Same, wish his music wasn't good would be so cool if his discography was held by someone nice. I hate him so much as a person now, such a slimy asshole creep, he seems really weird and insular and narcissistic too. This isn't the first bad thing he's done but it's by 1000x magnitude the worst
Seeing people defending Travis on twitter saying "this is how Travis's shows are, if you can't handle it, don't go. We are ragers" made my blood boil, this whole thing is tragic and RIP to everyone who lost their lifes in this mess, also hope that people that were there and saw this don't get mentally scared because just by seeing the videos I got terrible feelings, being there and seeing all this in front of your eyes must be traumatizing, honestly. I'm really sad.
I bet those same type of people are the people who hate and judge on metal bands such as Pantera for being "racist" and "nazis" because of some small harmless stupid incident that happened at a concert like Phil doing the nazi salute and than when he apologizes and cares for his fans they hate on him more but when they see Travis and Drake they see angels? yeah right as if they didn't have a whole ass phase of accusing Drake of being a pedophile and Travis with this incident It makes my blood boil seeing hypocrisy like that and not to mention they agrue aganist seperating the art from the artist but than they do stuff like this like tf?
@@colico14 too dangerous lol this is his 3rd festival and in countless shows he’s performed no one has passed u know why this one just randomly was such a disaster because there was a barricading issue and the VIP stage was in the middle and everyone got pinned stop trying to turn everything into a pathetic attempt at cancel culture after seeing a bunch of short clips and maybe read some of the stories of ppl like myself who were there and the CPR were DROPPING bodies on stretchers and didn’t know how to perform CPR and Travis stopped the show twice putting his trust in people that are supposed to be “qualified”
I don’t think anybody’s saying he’s not somewhat responsible for what happened that night but more so aware that he’s not the only one to blame. As a artist your main focus is performing and supplying the best show possible. It’s also a huge difference from MCR’s event and Travis event. 50 thousand people compared to 5 thousand is a drastic difference that can’t be compared what do ever. looking into a crowd of 55K people and expecting to see people collapsed under each other is very unrealistic standard for anybody. Faint screaming for help is zoned out by music and thousands of other people yelling, another unrealistic expectation for Travis to hear that while he’s on stage. He stopped several times to give people a chance to calm down and regroup. It’s clear on stage he doesn’t know the severity of the situation as most people didn’t until after the show was over. People that were alerted of the dangers and didn’t alert Travis are more so in the wrong as it’s partially there job to assure the safety of the concert goers. Admission staff, security, managers, venue owner, event coordinators the list of people to blame goes on. To pin this horrific event on one person is just down right ridiculous, too many people are at fault for this to just be a one person blame game. The media’s very fast to continue the cancel trend and people that don’t think for themselves follow along.
@@GagglePaggle If you don’t think dat, you should do more research. It take a few seconds on social media to find people who completely exonerate him of any responsibility. 😒
@@GagglePaggle you really on Travis dick, dude, listen to yourself. The amount of people saying it's "all travis's fault" (to which im assuming you believe is a majority of people) is fairly small compared to the people I see defending Travis and downplaying the large amount of control he had over the situation. No way he's this ignorant to these sitatuons happening at his shows after so many incidents. After all those previous incidents of people passing out/becoming paralyzed, you'd think he'd coordinate with his team and make sure it doesnt happen again, but apparently not. And his failure to take preventive measure as well as not paying attention to his surroundings (like that unconscious body he was serenading) makes this his fault at large.
It was insane. I felt like I was gonna get crushed at the beginning when The Crush happened. My leg got go fucked up and I couldn’t walk for a bit but it recovered quick. Stretched my right calf trying to stay upright in the mud. My group and I were in the front-left. We had no idea about the deaths until 6AM the next morning. I remember two small women asking if we could group up with my group to stay safe. They were skinny and less than 5ft. I lost them. I hope they came out okay! Edit: Looking back at some footage, I realized someone said people are dying. I couldn’t hear people past like 4ft as everyone was screaming and the music was loud. Edit 2: Small 16oz water bottles were $5 each. The free water line (only two stations) was HUGE. A scam. Being hydrated may have saved many lives. By the end, my group and I got the last few bottles because we left during Goosebumps.
Although not my worst experience, I was at Woodstock 99, and it was a total shit show that I'll never forget for the rest of my life and I honestly avoid festival concert venues because of it, although I've been to plenty of concerts since. My heart goes out to all these people.
Travis Scott should’ve stopped. Instead, he exacerbated an already dangerous situation. You could hear the audience screaming for help between songs in the livestream, there’s no way Travis Scott wasn’t aware that something was very, very wrong. He saw unconscious bodies being crowdsurfed over the audience and kept singing, he saw the trapped ambulance and he told everyone to put their arms up and to make the ground shake; two of the worst things an artist could do in a crowd crush situation. As soon as people put their arms up it made the crowd compress even more. People said as soon as they put their arms up they couldn’t get them back down, exposing their ribs and losing their best line of defense in a packed crowd; their shoulders and elbows. Add in the jumping and everyone *had* to jump, if anyone lost their footing during that situation they ended up being swallowed by the sea of bodies and trampled beneath their feet. TS had so many opportunities to diffuse the situation, and he did nothing. He made the situation worse. RIP to the victims.
I really can't figure out why he didn't stop... Was it fear of ticket refunds? Like what could it have been? He was obviously aware at some point, you can't tell me he went 37 minutes without hearing one fan screaming for help or for the show to stop.
the fact that you use PLAYBOI CARTI as an example of what should've happened is hilarious to me, shows how preventable this horrible situation was. RIP to those who passed on Friday
don't know if you've already seen the reddit thread of all the artists who have stopped shows to help fans, but even fucking LIL PUMP went above and beyond for one fan that was having a seizure.
I'm devastated at this as most people are! My neice was killed at Ariana Grande concert It still hurts so much! Love To All Affected by this Needless Tragedy ❣x
I have no words. I am so, so sorry you had to witness your niece pass away to that horrible tragedy. I truly wish that you and your family will always be safe.
Not to detract from the topic, but damn do you have a good community. Not one liner BS comments. Up the ying yang, sentences if not paragraphs of discussion between people reading each others stuff and pertaining to the topic. Explorative thinkers. Keep up the great work man. This is awesome.
What doesn’t make sense to me about people who are defending Travis, saying there was little he could do is that fact that it’s HIS festival?? Let’s say he genuinely didn’t see what was going on in the crowd(although it’s unlikely) the fact of the matter is the event was poorly put together. Understaffed, and overcrowded. He wasn’t a hired talent at someone else’s festival or event, this was HIS event. Yes the organizers of the event are definitely to blame but who’s the person that HIRED them?? Him and his team are liable for hiring the organizers they did. If you’re going to throw a whole festival with giant monuments of yourself all over the place, maybe be more hands on and make sure it’s safe for the people that are paying hundreds of dollars to see you.
I don’t remember which band/artist it was but I heard that during a live performance a crowd crush started happening and so the singer stopped and said “ayyo spread out a little and let people breathe or we’re ending the concert”. The crowd listened and everything went well. So yeah I feel like in this case Travis definitely could have done something to stop the situation from escalating.
i was there and the people were planning to riot and storm the fences if travis cancelled , u also couldn’t hear anything , the area where i was at everything was chill and normal , like a normal concert it
@@yuh4357 I have considered this. If he just stopped the show, people would have burnt the place down, with the possibility of more harm and destruction than what did occur.
@@yuh4357 Well maybe you're not the best person too talk about it if everything was fine where you were?? It's supposed to be safe everywhere and you not being affected certainly doesn't mean that the festival should go on like normal. Oh and also, fans threatening to riot isn't a good enough reason to keep a concert going after it's been announced as a mass casualty. It should have been stopped, Travis shoud've been more hands on and the organisers should've let him know about what was going on so that he could do something about it if we assume that he genuinely didn't know. There's no argument against stopping the concert once it's already gotten as bad as it did. People died because of poor planning, preparation and ignorance towards what was happening and that's all there is to it.
As a performer you guide the crowd. They are receptive to your input. It is great fun to go absolutely nuts, and taking care of yourself and others does not take anything from that fun. Every performer needs to know that their words and actions influences every person in the crowd.
I was there. I had waited 3 hours in the crowd for Don Toliver’s set, and even before he came out the whole crowd was swaying, me and everyone around me had to fight to stay on our feet. It’s like Melon said, at first we had a decent amount of space, but as the show grew closer, the space between everyone in my area completely disappeared as the crowd grew bigger, definitely could be described as compression of the crowd and a borderline crush. When Don finally came out all hell broke loose, couldn’t even enjoy the music because the crowd was so close together, I could barely breathe, the swaying got even more intense and a couple songs in people started fighting to get out. I remember so many fans, big and small with their faces red, looking like they were on the verge of passing out trying to shove their way to get out, as well as an understaffed security trying to lift people over the barrier. It was chaos. As soon as Don finished up all I could think was “if it’s this crazy for Don, what the fuck is Travis gonna be like?” Something should’ve been done there and then. The whole vibe was off. I got very lucky for Travis because I waited 3 hours again to get into a decent part of the crowd, so that I would be in front of the designated area for the main camera rig that was closed off, so that I wouldn’t be as vulnerable to a crowd surge from new people coming in behind from the other stage. That really payed off because it wasn’t as bad, I could actually enjoy the show and had enough room to jump around in the moshpit. However everything was still off, I distinctly remember the medical cart coming though my part of the crowd which confused the fuck out of me because my impression initially was that things weren’t as crazy. Travis stopping the show for a passed out fan also worried me. When the show ended I heard rumors from talking to people that there had been deaths, but I didn’t want to believe them. When I got clear of NRG park it was just sirens for blocks on end, just fire trucks and ambulances everywhere. Didn’t realize at the time that the whole event was basically a crime scene w heavy casualties. I have my own opinions about who’s at fault and who isn’t, but I also want to mention that the way the barricades were set up, the organizers were begging for this to happen. For the left side of the main stage and for the smaller stage it was basically closed off once you got close enough, like a square setup of barricades with only one side open, allowing that part of the crowd to get compressed into that space, a huge red flag that someone organizing should have noticed. I’m extremely angry with Live Nation for doing such a shitty job, fans who were probably as excited as I was for the event lost their lives from this negligence, and I’ll be trying to get in on one of the suits against them, it’s the only way these companies learn. But overall I’m devastated that so many people had to go through hell when they were just trying to enjoy the show, RIP to the 8 who died and my thoughts are with the families of those lost and with anyone who got seriously injured. TLDR: Event should’ve been cancelled after Don Tolliver’s show, fuck Live Nation
You aren't do any compensation for being fine and worshipping a celebrity you and all of them deserve it.... and your just money hungry now like your fake god
Gotta say, as someone terrified of crushes, once a crowd grows to a density of 6 or 7 people per square meter, the crowd develops fluid dynamics, and it is very difficult for a person to control their movement. Lots of people have been talking about the audience behavior in a way I think doesn’t acknowledge how powerless people tend to be in a crush scenario. The people in the back pressing forward literally have no knowledge of what’s happening in the center, and once they do know, it’s too late, they’re the ones being crushed. That’s why artists encouraging everyone to step back in between songs or making a point of keeping an eye on the crowd is so vital: they can be the first to let those people in the back know that moving forward isn’t safe.
Not to distract from what a tragedy this is, but I want to thank you for putting the Carti clip in because I noticed a huge amount of worrying hyper-religious and bigoted comments on all the major posts regarding the concert calling the youth and modern music in general “demonic and evil”. Carti literally has inverted crosses in the background and immediately took action when informed the crowd was in danger. Alternative/provocative art is not at fault here. Again, this is not the bigger issue as the loss of these lives is absolutely devastating but I wanted to share this thought.
You have no discernment. Watch all the stories of the people who had personal experiences. Non religious people who were there described the festival as dark and demonic. “The portal of hell.” Stop defending this crap. Carti’s venue doesn’t compare to Travis’.
thank you! it bothers me to see so much religious bullshit over this... I feel like it kind of trivializes the situation. But fanatics and conspiracy theorists will take any chance to recruit people, I guess. Edit: Sometimes words are just words and symbols are just symbols (or at least you have to assume so to start with), if you go too far trying to find ulterior motives and hidden meanings in everything you'll become a helpless paranoid. That's what conspiracy theorists and fanatics are. edit 2 lmao: the claims of "bad energy" and "demonic symbolism" are probably just people telling themselves a story to cope with the trauma. it's easier that way. the "bad energy" is what anyone feels in a horribly distressing situation. i dont know that there's anything to unencrypt there, some hidden meaning. i see it as people explaining reality to themselves by sublimating it to great evils and great gods out there to cope with the powerlessness... i think
Yup, even today it's fresh in the minds of everyone in the UK, especially those of us from South Yorkshire. Only just this year I was part of a crowd crush at Bloodstock (right on the barrier) and it was legitimately terrifying. I've been in many crushes but this one had me thinking I'd come out paralysed. Factor in the heavy crowdsurfers going overhead (who we couldn't help push over the barrier because we couldn't so much as move our arms due to how tight it was), and it was a nightmare.
@@CHlEFFIN It's got nothing to do with American ignorance and everything to do with the fact it was 4 decades ago in a completely different country. If someone were to name a terrible tragedy from that long ago in say, Germany, I probably wouldn't know it. It's good to learn about these things but I don't think judgement is necessary.
The whole Raging community and mindset that Travis has influenced has affected his shows so negatively. Most of the kids there at Astro have probably never been to other shows outside of that and didn’t know what to do either. I can’t even imagine how scary the whole situation must’ve been. And the fact that nobody stopped the show completely is really really concerning
I was like 14-15 when I fell in a heavy metal concert mosh pit. I thought I was gonna get trampled on, but an older gentleman reached down and grabbed me by my collar and pulled me up 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Then he gave me two pats on my back which made me feel fantastic
Even at something as relatively tame as a twenty-one pilots concert, at two different shows I was at, midway through, Tyler will get the crowd to focus, pay attention to him, and ask everyone in the pit to take one step back. It is so simple, and when you have a crowd captivated like that, they will obey you. It made the pit much more bearable for the rest of the night and made the final mosh easy and enjoyable. Without that moment, I don't think it would be as fun, and I'm certain people would have been crushed eventually. And it takes 30 seconds tops.
I’ve seen Tyler stop the show and bring up the lights when someone passed out. A single person. Meanwhile Travis Scott allows hundreds of people to get injured. Ridiculous.
To clarify it was a crowd crush, not a stampede. In a stampede people have more control over their motion and they are walking on top of people, whereas in a crush they are simply so packed together that they suffocate just from standing. In addition I think you should give more responsibility to Live Nation here (while not cutting Travis any slack either)
Exactly, Live Nation and the performers and crew (assigned to security/safety, not doubling as rigging/pyrotechnics/lighting/sound) needed to be maintaining awareness of and communicating about what was happening in the crowd. I've worked at so many shows and some are just professionally run, especially the one's that are not such big monopolies. I don't see, from footage of the setup, how they were planning to ensure safety or keep tabs on what was happening.
Travis didn't do anything, but I agree with you. Fantano point at 7:57 is the most Travis could've done to address the problem. Just tell the fans to relax a lil or simply ask "Yall good?" or something. Travis ain't Jesus he cant do too much that would've stopped it. The venue are ultimately to blame.
@@Will-bn9km So he couldn't have stopped the show and told them everyone needed to calm down while people were being rescued? If the music had stopped for just a few minutes they would have probably been able to find injured people more easily and quickly. And what about when he saw an ambulance (what he thought was one, though I'm not entirely sure if that was just the security vehicle) and then went right back to the show like nothing had happened?
This reminds me of when I saw System of a Down live in 2015 in Chicago. The field was wet from rain and it caused a ton of mud. The entire crowd was swaying and a lot of people fell over and were trampled on, including my own sister who was there with me. Unfortunately, I didn't know about it until after the show ended since we got separated from the crowd swaying so much. She had to get crowd-surfed to the medics as well as other people. Daron the guitarist even had to stop in the middle of a song because he saw someone getting trampled nearly to death. He said "I can't keep playing when I see someone dying in front of me." Thankfully, nobody died that night, but a bunch of people were injured. I felt terrible for everyone who went to the show to originally have fun but instead ended up being miserable and didn't get to see SOAD perform. I feel the same way if not worse with this Travis Scott incident. I can't imagine going to a live show only to end up dying before the show ends.
Dude I was at that same concert. I was in the back because I was rolling nuts off lsd but remember them stopping the show because the giant crowd rush.
Furthermore, Travis Scott was accused by a former employee (maybe manager, i don’t remember exactly and not his name either) of leaving him for dead when he had a seizure. other people were there and were able to get help, but travis just left without even calling 911.
Kinda crazy how Travis spoke in a magazine interview about Dystopia being a state of miscommunication, and that’s a major reason why those 8 people lost their lives. The fact that the new songs that dropped the day of the tragedy had a cover that read “The True Dystopia is Here!” is eerie. RIP to all the victims
Raymond P. Assi; yikes that’s pretty terrible. It’s sort of gives the impression that he at least partly caused this situation and failed to get it under control, and then use the fallout to promote his new album. That’s just disgusting. And given the fact that he had it made plain to him that things were going Sideways long before the concert ever started, at different points through the concert, and then for about half an hour or something after the event was declared a mass casualty event he continued on with his set, it looks pretty awful bad. It looks like pure malevolence.
@@daphneraven6745 just a heads up, the songs came out the night before the festival so he didn’t use the tragedy as promotion for the new songs. I think there are many parties to blame here. If you have a problem with Travis continuing while people are passing out, then he should have BEEN cancelled. Because in the past he continues every concert despite the injuries. This one just got attention because people passed away, unfortunately.
God that clip of Chester ❤️ what a fucking tragedy. Can’t believe Travis didn’t stop. It’s gonna be hard to listen to his music after this and idk if I will honestly. Big props for donating your ad money to the victims and RIP to everyone that sadly passed 🕊
I swear there was nothing anyone could do. People were losing their minds an hr before trav came out. The weight of the crowd was painful and exhausting to push against. I was maybe 20 feet from the middle stage and 25 feet from the front of the stage, on the left side of the crowd. I can remember slowly losing my friends. Every time I looked over, 1 out of my two friends disappeared. I had to let go of their backpacks to hold their arms, then hands. Finally I rubbed my finger to let them know I needed to let go. The crowd could've broken my arm. People were surfing out a passed out body and when it reached the gate where only the camera men were, they dropped him over. just leaving him there like nothing. What else would the crowd have to do though? No one prepared us to face this nightmare. As traumatic as this event was. Eventually everyone around me ignored what was really going on. What an inhuman memory I'll have to live with and be a part of.
every brockhampton concert ive been to every couple songs, especially after the more “mosh-friendly” songs, kevin asks if everyone in the crowd is all right, that’s something i took for granted ig, it’s crazy that this happened
The most disgusting thing I've seen are fans blaming the people for entering the mosh in the first place. Obviously mosh etiquette exists, but a lot of people are saying that they ended up in the mosh against their will, pushed to the front by people behind them. No one goes into a mosh expecting to die some people have no empathy it's gross. There was an incident that happened in Australia in 2001 that has been brought up a few times as of late. Big Day Out festival, Limp Bizkit performing, and very early on things started going wrong in the crowd. Limp Bizkit stopped the show, only after an argument with security, but it wasn't enough to stop someone from getting injured and later dying in the hospital. After that, a lot of Australian festivals have put much better systems in place to keep moshers safe, and while there have been scares here so far nothing has happened since. But almost every time it's happened here in Australia, the performers stopped the show to help people.
I’ve been to a few pretty crazy festivals here in Australia and seccys always on point as are the festival goers, if someone’s clearly struggling they’re usually cleared away from the crowd. I wholeheartedly think Travis has no empathy for his fans and just sees them as dollar signs and items. Hope Travis loses all of these cases as he should. Fuck Travis Scott, Fuck AstroWorld and FUCK all those people that are clueless about basic human well-being. Stick to them raves my guys and girls, you’ll have more fun
It's usually pretty obvious when someone has been pushed into a pit againist their will, and in my experience people will either take them by the arm and escort them out of the pit or at the very least stand in front of them with a hand out ('stop' gesture) so it's clear they aren't participating
@@tgd02 that's the thing, most people claiming this are kids introduced to Travis Scott via Fortnite, they never did attend a concert in their life. Hell I've been willing to bet that for at least half of the people in Astroworld it was their first concert.
Frankly, I hope Travis faces criminal charges. For him to brag about letting folks sneak in on Twitter, and to have an Instagram post boasting about letting more people in... It's UNDENIABLE that he was both complicit in this event being beyond capacity, and did far too little to stop it. Just a tragedy all around. Depressing that this shit keeps happening decades past The Who, Pearl Jam, and Woodstock '99.
He’s to blame but cmon bro it’s not like he incited or directly caused some crazy dude going around drugging people or the trampling/stampede. He obviously should’ve stopped the show and he was stupid not to, but you can’t entirely blame him for what happened.
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 it is actually his festival so Travis and his team were the ones that planned the event. Artists like roddy rich were just paid to perform
@@kenm4390 you really think Travis actually plans his concerts? Bro he just performs to get a bag like every other rapper, he’s not involved in that shit
@@MM-jc7uv i never entirely blamed him. i said he was complicit. there are a lot of people responsible for this tragedy, and he's absolutely one of them.
I've been in my fair share of rowdy moshes-- Gogol Bordello, MGMT, Of Montreal, and even Crystal Castles during their prime....none of them felt out of control like this. Not even the MGMT show which was massive, outside in the middle of summer, and full of young people drinking and on drugs. Not during Gogol Bordello where they literally crowdsurfed and poured wine on people below. I still remember when my glasses flew off my face and three big burly dudes immediately formed a perimeter around me as I searched the ground to retrieve them. I've seen some videos of the Travis Scott incident and there is a lot of evidence that there were many helpful, brave individuals who cared for those around them, even as they themselves could barely move or breathe. But those people could only do so much in the face of poor planning and event security. 700 cops and 500 security guards is pathetic compared to a crowd of 75,000....there needs to be some major accountability here. People did not have to die or get hurt. At all.
A 14 and 16 year old dead. A 10 year old injured. Imagine sending your child off with good wishes and hugs and being hit with the news that your child is dead. Absolutely tragic, deep condolences to all those affected.
I ain’t tryna make this sound condescending but-
Who the fuck sends a 10 year old to a rapper concert with 50k PEOPLE??
@@jojosmitho304 They sold a ticket to a ten year old, that means they are legally required to run an event that is suitable for ten year olds. That's how it works.
@@gavinmillar yeah bud, because 10 yo kids have the money for festival tickets
@@supwititproductionz3738 That's not the point. If u have tickets that allow the admission of children then the concert should be appropriate for children. If children weren't allowed to be there then the security would never have let them in.
@@callumsnaylam1758 this is why all ages shows are shit. Young kids don't know how to behave and think it's cool to elbow people and shit in the crowd. In any case, it's obvious that the event organizers are on the hook for the massive logistical failure. My only issue with this whole thing is that people act like travis scott has anything to do with the logistics of the crowd, the venue set up, and the security/medical detail, and all of this stupid satanism/weird twitter shit
I drunkenly donated to one of the family’s funeral expenses and I think this is the first time I’ve woken up and not regretted a drunk decision.
You’re a good person
Great thing to wake up to!
I had RELATIONS with the grieving families. With my tinkle thing ya feel me
Not all drunks are bad drunks and it goes to show
@@Funknutz420024 whay
I saw GWAR a few years ago and experienced a crowd crush. When I tell you not being able to breathe being compressed on all sides is one of the scariest, panic-inducing experiences you can have I mean it. Picking up people that have fallen over after losing their footing is absolutely essential when there's that many people crammed into one place.
Absolutely. And it is literal anarchy.
I experienced it at Dillinger Escape Plan's final show. To this day one of the scariest moments of my life.
Is that your real head or is that photoshopped to look like the league of legends meme? Jon Sudano
it's so scary! I remember my feet weren't even touching the ground at one point and I couldn't breathe for the life of me- and it was only with a fraction of the people who went to astroworld. my heart hurts for all of them
Same thing happened when I saw excision at spring awakening music festival.. atleast that would be somewhat worth dying for….
i went to the gorillaz demon dayz festival a few years ago and the crowd was huge and i was surrounded by people and was feeling faint. an absolute stranger gave me her water and picked me up and made sure i got air. I’ve been to countless punk shows and there’s a unspoken rule to pick people up and help if you see something. hell, I’ve helped people at shows without even thinking. this really did not need to happen.
This is so true. People at punk shows have the best etiquette
your closest encounter to touching women
That's sad.
Punks are stereotyped as mean people and ironically they're the ones helping whilst people at a rap concert are just letting people die
@@froggygalaxy In my experience, fans of rappers are usually the shittiest people in crowds, so self-absorbed and uncaring.
@@ftanthony it’s funny because at big rap events like this there is a certain type of crowd (just look at the video and look at who’s actually there and who can afford to go aka young “supreme/hypebeast” type guys)… at smaller (non-superstar) rap events there is a totally different crowd who isn’t like that. I found that crowd to be the same as any rock or indie events I’ve been too.
I got pretty fucked up at Coachella a few years back (mixing edibles with a ton of alcohol). They had security all over the place, one guy brought me over to a medical tent, and dedicated medical staff that hooked me up to IV and stayed with me until I came to. I got extra water from them, found my group, and was still able to enjoy the rest of the day.
That's how you run a festival.
Amen to that!
100%, I've been in some sketchy situations with too many substances when I was more reckless and have always been looked after by staff & security. Ive also seen acts stop when something happens within the crowd, even if its a single person. This is inexcusable.
Exactly and of course we all know that it’s not labels, or venues that are in charge of these amenities. We all know all of these are set up and managed by the single artist. Not the multi-billion dollar corporations that pay for all of this.
Agreed, not gonna step foot in lala again till they bump up security, the same thing that happened at astroworld can easily happen at lala, so many videos every year if hundreds if not thousands breaking down barriers and running by security
Don’t drink kids
Can you imagine just going into a concert for fun, only to end up losing your life and that very same artist that you supported by going to that concert could give a shit less about you. It's really sad to think about man. Rest In Peace to the lives lost and I hope the people injured recover well.
this comment gonna go crazy I already know. RIP to all that lost their lives.
You’re here too.
You rly are everywhere
GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD
Can you imagine putting all the blame on one dude while ignoring all the people who didn't enough to make sure the event is safe and the actual people who killed others while not giving a fuck about the safety of others?
I was at a small punk show in Dallas where a dude tried to start a fight in the pit. The drummer of the band didn't even wait for anyone else to stop playing before hurdling over his drum kit and grabbing the instigator and throwing him out of the venue himself. It was a glorious moment
punk shows are probably some of the safest places i’ve ever felt, one time i fell over while moshing and everyone in a metre radius stopped dead in their tracks and picked me back up, and i’ve seen this happen with others countless times. that being my main concert experience makes this whole thing so much more upsetting
Sounds like a drummer all right
I once dropped my phone at a Radiohead concert. I darted down to the floor to pick it up quickly because the crowd was moving around. Thom Yorke realized this and he immediately said " i think someone passed out in the audience" thinking I had fallen. I was a solid 30-40ft away from the front of stage barrier at least. It was dark too.
They CAN see what goes on in the crowd from up there. Some people just choose not to. Travis apologists need to stop.
There's a video of them performing Myxomatosis when someone in the audience passes out, and they stop the show to point it out and get the fan help. Thom and the boys are class acts, and everyone else should follow their lead when performing live.
Woah
Who
Travis obviously seen what was happening undoubtebly
But what responsibility do the individuals in the crowd have in these events?
@@lukecockburn1140 Most of them were responsible too, since there's a video (that was shown here) of some people dancing on top of the ambulance, and most of them were still dancing even though there were people being killed.
Astroworld was my first festival and would be the first time I saw Travis perform live. Some buddies and I made the trek cross-country to Houston. We went into the festival late on Friday, going in together. During the Don Toliver set we separated (I got cold feet about going into the mosh pit). I end up going to wait in the merch line for a couple of hours while the rest of the sets finish before Travis comes on (I wanted some merch to remember the weekend, now I'm not sure I do). I end up standing in the middle, far-right side of the Travis set. Everyone in my general vicinity was close, but not too close. We were spaced respectfully for a standing room only concert. During the first 5 minutes of the set, I noticed people from the front start pouring out of the mosh pit (which I now know it was to just get out and breathe). The set ended and I had the time of my life, singing all of my favorite Travis songs as loud as I could. I didn't getting crowded or overwhelmed once, for which I am incredibly lucky. My buddies were not as lucky. When the surge of pushing started, they had gotten separated from each other. One of them had to crawl out of the mosh pit, practically on top of other people and was luckily pulled by a security guard. He ended up losing his shoes because he had to step out of them to ensure not falling under stampede-like feet. My other friend was pushed around by the swelling crowd and eventually landed near a railing that he held onto for the rest of the night. We got back to our airbnb and realized what had occurred, as it was all over social media by then. Bottom line, my friends were just lucky to make it out walking. I was lucky that the merch line had taken so long. I know this was long-winded and if you read all of it, it truly means a lot. I just had to comment my experience. It's a very off-putting feeling, remembering a night that was a blatant, unnecessary, avoidable tragedy as one of the greatest concert moments I've witnessed. Rest in peace to the victims and prayers to the injured in critical condition.
I'm glad you and your friends had a good time and made it out safely 🧡
Can I have your merch
@@christianmartinez8700 ??????
@@christianmartinez8700 hhHAHHAHAHA
I heard it was the left side that was the worst because it had a bunch of people who'd just come from another stage. glad you're safe
Qualified events steward here. Crowd control is an absolute bare essential for anyone planning a large-scale event. After the Hillsborough disaster in 1989 (when 96 football fans were crushed to death in the UK) there were serious overhauls to British events law, and stewarding began to be taken much more seriously. Whenever permission for an event is sought, the organizers must state how many are predicted to attend and provide adequate room for every attendant, as well as providing adequate staff and emergency services
Ever been to a festival and found yourself having to choose between two artists of about equal fame you wanna see perform at the same time? That's a deliberate crowd management tactic. It makes sure ppl don't get too concentrated in one area. And its why SAFE festivals arent climaxed around one single stage by a headliner thats much more massive than the other acts.
It seems however that the US is much less squeamish about cramming in as many paying customers as possible to protect the egoes and wealth of organizers, major promoters and mainstream artists. The fact that the concert wasnt paused and safety announcements werent made is an absolutely putrid shock to someone like me who's studied the horrendous effects of poor festival planning.
Travis and the organizers either knew that deaths/injuries could result from their ill planning and still gambled on it for the sake of greed, or they were simply incompetent and unprepared to handle a large crowd. Either way, this would be grounds for multiple life sentences in a country that values the sanctity of human life over profit
When you go to a big event, make an escape plan. *If the crowd starts getting too thick, keep your elbows at your sides but angled slightly forward, bring your arms up against your chest, cross your hands over the ball of the wrist and flatten your fingers over your breasts (try it now, make yourself as flat as possible). This will act as armour to protect your ribs.* Control the urge to panic. Close your eyes and focus on breathing. Reassure yourself that you will get through this. In the same way that panic spreads from person to person, so can calmness. Be that person who puts faith in those you are surrounded by.
And most importantly: *hold public events organizers to account.* It is your legal right and a moral obligation to the victims of horrible tragedies like this. Ask a member of staff where the fire extinguishers or first-aid tents are. If its indoors, ask at the bar if the ceiling tiles are made of fireproof material, what the maximum safe capacity is, or when the next test for the sprinklers is due. *You are legally entitled to request this knowledge at any time, and the staff are not allowed to obstruct or threaten you if you decide to report them to authorities.* If you cant get an immediate and satisfactory answer then they haven't been trained enough and its probably time to start drafting a lawsuit.
Have fun, be aware of your rights, and make sure concerts continue being the safe haven we need in a post-pandemic world. Stay safe everyone
That is comment of the year. Thank you
Thank you so much for this.
well said man. really appreciate your insight here.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you; I am sure this advice will save lives
I saw Linkin Park play here in Australia and Chester saw a girl pass out on the barrier and immediately halted the show. His actions prevented her from any serious damage, and I always think about that moment when I think about the legacy that Chester left. This is such a needless loss of life. People went to Travis Scott's festival to have a good time and people have died, been injured, and undergone serious trauma in return. Travis has not only failed his fans, he has failed his city, and he has failed the live music industry.
At the end of the day he is still just an artist and all artists are different Chester was more of an exception not the norm because generally it's not the artist job to check on the well being on fans thier job is mainly just to perform on stage and entertain the crowd.
@@iraford5788 What a weird sentiment.
The artist is literally looking out over the crowd. If you see something, say something. It's not that hard.
@@iraford5788 "Yo sorry your loved ones died at my concert or whatever but it's not my job to keep them alive you know?"
Where I live crowds go quite nuts so it's common for artists to stop the show and ask people to calm down if things are getting out of control. I've seen this happen with Pearl Jam, Eddie had to ask people to take some steps back because people at the front were in danger
@@iraford5788 they are the ones with the best view of the crowd therefore they should be the first to do something. The most sensible thing would be to at least stop performing until things calm down
I went down at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert in 2002 and man, it's some scary shit. A big surge, I had absolutely no control of where I was going and eventually lost my footing and I was on the ground with a load of people after falling on top of me. I genuinely thought I was gone. Couldn't breath, and the pressure, man, it's terrifying. And all this happened way back from the front so no one could see what was happening.
It was only sheer will to get out of it that got me up. The stories you hear of people finding superhuman strength in certain situations are true. I still don't know how I managed to push myself up from a face down flat position with at least 3 or 4 people on my back, possibly more. I was able to help get a few others up off the ground then.
It's a tragedy what happened at Astroworld and more so because no one stopped it. Heads need to roll over this.
so sorry that happened to you but happy you are able to share the story.
I'm glad you helped other people up, that's so important and good of you. More importantly tho, I'm glad you're safe.
Adrenaline is a hell of a hormone.
Idk if you believe in God but I believe that's where that superhuman strength may have come from
@@youraveragegamer7685 adrenaline
When Chester passed I remember seeing that video of him stopping the concert and saying he’ll redo the songs as many times as he needs to as long as everyone stays safe. It’s so heartbreaking to know that an event supposed to be a huge memory for so many people has turned into such a tragedy.
Chester was such a fantastic person. Miss him more every day.
yeah hes always has been so kind and loving god bless his soul
Always sad the good ones take themselves from us and we get the dregs
I was there and it was a complete chaos, I’ve never seen anything like that. The only reason I didn’t get severely hurt was solely because I’m somewhat fit and was completely sober that night, and even then I almost reached a complete point of exhaustion just from ppl crushing me from every angle, and not being able to breathe in some instances. I saw ambulances right next to me that couldn’t pass through because ppl were “raging” it was insanity rip to those who lost their lives.
Im sorry you had to go through that 🙏
You’re probably a big guy right. I can’t imagine what it must feel like if you aren’t above 6ft and 200lbs
glad you are safe my friend
@@ates423 not very big I’m 6 feet 175 lbs, but I’m in the gym consistently and pretty strong, I’ve made it very close to the stage and most guys that were there were there because of their size, 6”2 and up, so after a while I couldn’t really hang there no more from exhaustion, once drake came out on stage there was no getting out of there, ppl turned into crazed zombies, if I drank that night (I don’t really do anything else) I probably wouldn’t have made it out without injuries.
@@davidawonaike1188 jeez man. I’m 6’4 200lbs and I feel like I would’ve had issues too. Can’t imagine what it would be like for the girls that were around 5ft.
Edit: good think you came out alright from that
I'm reminded of seeing RATM at Lolla. There were several moments when the crowd was going nuts and people needed to carry their friends out. Zach stopped the show two or three times and made it clear that the people next to you were "not the machine we are raging against". My heart goes out to the families and friends of those who died. We gotta stick together.
Bro this's fact metal/Rock festival got it down, reminds me of Avenged sevenfold concert and shadow stops in the drop to says someone hurt, security gets the person out immediately and fucking bring the passed out fan to make sure they was good most band I listen do this, people should look at the humanity of artist and not just music, artist should always be aware of what's happening at theirs shows, they got people lives in they
@@romarioogilvie Hip Hop has a lot to learn from metal shows
psyop
@Michael Sprague Hip hop artists can also be racist and mentally ill, to be fucking fair
@Michael Sprague I agree metal has its own set of problems, but nowadays things have changed and I wasnt talking about that part right now, but about the whole moshpit and festival culture.
Dude MCR stopped a show told everyone to take a step back, then take another step back, and that they wouldn't continue until the crowd did. People who think Travis isn't at fault blow my mind.
This is an incredibly common occurence from Adele, Kendrick Lamar, Rage Against the Machine, Slipknot, the list goes on and on, tons of artists regularly make it a priority to stop performing and make sure fans aren't in duress and make it an obligation on their part to make sure everyone's safe and having a good time, there's really a level of neglegence here that I genuienly cannot understand.
trivium
the amount of ppl listening and literally going concert to hear computer sound and for some reason this travis guy called this music is alrd mindblowing,
@@alifrio75 travis performs with a live band but okay
I don’t think anybody’s saying he’s not somewhat responsible for what happened that night but more so aware that he’s not the only one to blame. As a artist your main focus is performing and supplying the best show possible. It’s also a huge difference from MCR’s event and Travis event. 50 thousand people compared to 5 thousand is a drastic difference that can’t be compared what do ever. looking into a crowd of 55K people and expecting to see people collapsed under each other is very unrealistic standard for anybody. Faint screaming for help is zoned out by music and thousands of other people yelling, another unrealistic expectation for Travis to hear that while he’s on stage. He stopped several times to give people a chance to calm down and regroup. It’s clear on stage he doesn’t know the severity of the situation as most people didn’t until after the show was over. People that were alerted of the dangers and didn’t alert Travis are more so in the wrong as it’s partially there job to assure the safety of the concert goers. Admission staff, security, managers, venue owner, event coordinators the list of people to blame goes on. To pin this horrific event on one person is just down right ridiculous, too many people are at fault for this to just be a one person blame game. The media’s very fast to continue the cancel trend and people that don’t think for themselves follow along.
Travis Scott doesn’t seem to realize that his fans are people who have their own lives outside of his 90 minute show. They aren’t disposable props that you can use to create an aesthetic of chaos. Just disgusting man.
Perfect comment.
Travis knew exactly what he was doing.... this was a planned ritual... I'm just the messenger.... more events to come.... the time is now 🕊🔥
@@satansgimp4404 💯
Real shit tho 💯
Exactly 100%
Sad part is, by this time next year, everyone will have forgotten. They’ll still support him while the parents have to live with it.
Let’s make sure that doesn’t happen
Nah, I don't think so. People still talk about Woodstock 99 to this day and Limp Bizkit's reputation has barely recovered 22 years on, they've mostly toured outside the US since then.
@@ElaborateTiger Will the same happen to Travis Scott, u think?
100% life is cheap these days
@@lukegarcia3238 3000%
That Chester clip at the end got me teary-eyed. Legend
Respect there man. I’m a Linkin Park hater too lol but he seems like he and his band mates have class
@@BananaWamma7 he was a very nice dude, and his bandmates too
Could not have thought of a better way to end the video 😔
@@BananaWamma7 You can hate their music, but the guys? Can't say shit about them, a true class act.
sucks no one was there to pick him up when he was down. RIP
I remember the Iron maiden concert in Argentina in 2013, in the very first song part of the front barrier falls down as the people try to push to get closer to the stage. And at the very first second where that occurs, Bruce Dickinson stopped singing and tells the people to step back. And soon after the rest of the band stopped playing until they fixed the problem, that day nobody got hurt by that accident. That tells us that full awareness of the crowd by part of the artist on the stage can actually save lives.
Travis Scott encouraging his young fanbase to massively overcrowd each other is beyond inexcusable
It’s fucking disgusting. Dude should’ve know better.
travis scott aint their dad, gtfo here with that logic
@@weirdo911aw and you’re right, obviously hundreds of people wouldn’t have pushed past security to see your dad, did you even think this through?
@@weirdo911aw he’s their idol 😂😂
@@weirdo911aw you realise he actively told his fans its okay to break in and over crowd the event right? You realise he has publicly admitted to wanting to see his fans "bleed" in the chaos he intentionally creates right? Gtfo with that Idol worship, excuse making mentality
Rest In Peace to all who passed.
RIP
@@194decibels BOZO
Thanks, you too
@@KingofDpirates bro what
Yea man Travis Scott fans be crazy they died over a mediocre rapper
RIP to everyone who died there. There should be not a single life lost at any of these concerts.
What an obvious opinion to have. Why would anyone ever die at a musical recreational event? Absolutely tragic.
@@Jacksongirard they died because of cardiac arrest
@@sourceeee hey man, I'm just agreeing with you lol. Sorry if it came off condicending!
@@Jacksongirard to be fair, “What an obvious opinion to have” comes off as a bit combative lol
Anytime you’re in a crowd of humans you are in danger.
When I was 15 my brother and his girlfriend took me to see Anthrax and Pantera for my birthday. We were at the front, as soon as Pantera came out everyone rushed. My feet were no longer touching the ground, I was being held up by people on 3 sides and smashed against the fence on the other. Next thing I know I'm in the VIP area surrounded by guards. I was loosing conscientious and a guard noticed and pulled me over the fence. My ankle was wrecked because apparently they had a hard time getting my leg over the fence since it was smashed between people and the fence.
We were way too young to know the danger of something like that. Thank God for those security guards that noticed I was in distress. Something needs to be done to stop stage rushing. RIP to everyone.
That ”yeeeaaahhh” video of him just watching the bodies being carried out was honestly terrifying.
Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
@@maka8551 stop copying and pasting this ignorant ass coment everywhere. If someone you loved died at this concert youd have a different opinion.
@@maka8551 ok stop being a brainwashed sheep
It’s a bit Jim Jonesy for sure
@@brandyoctober5923 Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
Big ups for donating ad rev to those affected. It’s also really cool that you waited to make a video instead of spamming one out as soon as the tragedy took place.
you really think he will? Lmao
@@yvngsn0w yes. What makes you think he wont exactly?
I'm sort of unfamiliar with how esch video pays out to creators on YT. Is one video a significant amount of money? I've heard of big creators making $2-$3k for big videos. Do you think that's accurate? If that were the case I would donate for like a week just so a few burials can be covered and whatnot.
If I'm wrong I'm wrong but either way, props to Melon.
@@justinssongsarehis2 if a viewer watches an ad for more than 15 seconds that's like 15 cents. So if there were 7 viewers to watch an ad for more than 15 seconds it'll equal to a dollar.
Tarkus
"Floor of bodies" is a sentence I can't even begin to fathom. This was so tragic. A fear I have is that if they pulled the plug, people would start booing and revolting (thus becoming even more uncontrollable) like in many instances in the past. Why do people become so barbaric and dangerous when everyone came together just to listen to some good music and escape from the world for a bit? It's so senseless. Heartbroken for these families.
A true dystopia as he's been throwing that word around, ironically.
Read Hannah Arendt's Totalitarianism.
I think that some of that barbarism mindset in fans comes from being inundated in a culture of celebrity worship
Metal bands stop shows to help fans in distress all the time and nobody boos or heckles the band for it, they cheer and often help out if they're nearby.
After stampedes in the 70s and 80s metalheads are told to look out for eachother, it's in the culture. Travis doesn't incite his fans to care about eachother, it's all 'rage' and 'making the ground shake'.
It's because they are gone asf now a days brother
The fact that the stage manager has a direct feed to the artist's ear, and the sound engineers at the mixing station (they're the ones in the front centre of festival) who could just cut the sound and raise the lights didn't do anything is baffling. Also the fact that the artist can normally see what's going in is very troubling. Most bands/artists I've seen in my 25 years of going to gigs would stop the music and ask for the crowd to sort things out, why didn't Travis Scott see this, and more importantly, do anything?
Especially as Scott has had previous for this - He's been charged twice for inciting riots at this gigs (2015 and 2017 I believe), makes this a very bad mix of a tragedy waiting to happen.
The fact that Scott decided to play on, even when a fucking ambulance is driving through the crowd blows my mind.
Think this is a watershed moment for artists responsibility for safety at gigs, as well as event management. I hope this will enforce some change.
Cannot believe that the production / stage managers just get on the 'godmic' feed and just tell everyone "we are stopping now"
Sometimes, the show really shouldn't go on.
plenty of moments when Travis did point out what was happening. the most poignant was when the golf cart ambulance tried to get into the crowd. travis pointed it out, asked what was happening, paused for at least a minute (possibly someone talking in his ear), and even had two concert-goers climb up on stage and tell him to stop.
the concert shouldve completely stopped when the ambulance came in
@@sginrummy88 the 2 guys that went on stage weren’t up there telling him to stop. Travis usually picks people from the crowd to jump off stage and crowd surf, that’s why they jumped off the stage on beat. There’s a bunch of videos online put up as propaganda to blame Travis. But in reality he didn’t know what was going on, neither did police until the show ended. There’s a report that Travis didn’t even find out until he went to an after party after the show
Its the damn tone he set during the show, and the fact that this same behavior caused other similar smaller incidents in the past! He encouraged the crowd even after being warned before the show by HPD police chief, They had a code for body's before hand. Idk how anyone can defend this dude...
As far as the staff and HPD. If they stopped the show they would cause a panic. Most of the people at the show had no idea what was going on till they got home. So why would they act any different in leaving then they had all night? With 50,000 people that tight all night surely more would have been injured leaving the place in a panic. people were sneaking in, in his home town at a festival he started. the people were going to freak the fuck out!
that carti clip is relevant especially when you think about how carti was going to play in houston couple weeks ago, fans rushed past security (much like the vids we see for astroworld) and they cancelled the carti houston concert smartly
someone went into the stage and said to carti whats was going on, no one went in to stage and tell travis what was really happening; he have people fallling out every performance
Carti shows carry the same sort of energy and intensity as a Travis show, but Carti has always shown a care for his audience that Travis just does not. Carti deserves mad respect for having the decency to cancel shows and stop performances to take care of their safety
@@RobertoMartinez-ti3yl the police told him mid concert. Do your research & quit spreading bs
@@emoceaneternal5973 please show evidence of the police telling travis mid concert
@@jarrodiaria2973 bruh he literally doesn’t after his team told him what happened and that a girl collapsed he told the crowd they were doing a good job and f all that
The thing that really pisses me off is that Travis Scott stopped an earlier show because a fan was trying to steal one of his shoes as he was crowd surfing, and then spent a few minutes berating the would-be thief and telling the crowd to beat him up.
So when _he_ is affected, everything halts, but when hundreds are in danger and screaming? He continues the show.
This just reeks of someone with a death-star-sized ego failing to advocate for the safety of his fans.
Tbank you for bringing this up. But his minions will keep on defending him
The kid was 15 and DID get beat up.
travis scott and most people connected to the kardashians live such unrealistic, isolated, alienated from reality lives and egos that sometimes i think they can't even see their fans as real people
Hundreds of his fans being in danger does affect him because now his reputation is ruined and he’s going to lose a lot of money in lawsuits 😂 obviously he didn’t want this to happen
You do realize it's 'hundreds' out of 70000 who are screaming and shouting right?
Can’t believe people are actually defending Travis Scott, he’s stopped shows in the past for much less (like losing his shoe) so the argument that “he couldn’t see or hear because of the lights & his ear-piece etc” is nonsense. He literally looked over at the commotion & proceeded to perform like nothing was happening. If there are people climbing at the stage telling you to stop, there’s no way in HELL he couldn’t have noticed that. He and his team need to be held accountable for this because had they stopped maybe the paramedics could’ve made it through to save some lives
I agree, but I dont think that Travis Scott personally is to blame, its the whole team that set it up.
He literally stared at a dead body being rushed out of the venue while demonically mumbling “yeaaa, yeaaaa”. It was one of the most unsettling things I’ve ever watched….he knew exactly what was happening. It almost seemed like he was taking pleasure in it…so messed up.
He even verbally acknowledged the presence of an ambulance in the crowd, then proceeded to hype people up for the next song.
The ppl that were climbing talked with a photographer or sum like that not travis
@@Eric-rl2zm Travis is in charge, he is to blame
The always lifting people up when they fall mentality should be talked about more in other music scenes besides punk/metal. I go to a lot of shows and I’ve fallen hard and have always gotten scooped up and have helped to pull others up too. It makes it feel a lot less scary when you know people will help you up if you fall.
You're right, I've only noticed that at punk shows despite basic population thinking its a violent culture. I remember someone being too rowdy in the mosh pitt and a group of guys told the dude to stay against the wall if he's going to use the mosh pit to get away with being violent
It seems there was an energy of not caring for your neighbor..
psyop
Weak on your part. I knock over weaklings I do not fall. Go take a nap in the pit.
@@Funknutz420024 can you teach me how to be as badass as you?
Big shout out to Roddy Ricch for donating his earnings to the victims' families.
He is as real as they get, he knows struggles and hard times, met tragedy during his come-up. He learned and acted accordingly.
RR seems like a really good fucking dude from what I’ve seen from him. Hella good rapper too.
@@HotStrange
Not related but what was the name of the face of your profile pic?
Roddy Rich is a walking W
@@botmexicanpatriot it’s a meme pic from some gym, I forgot the name. It was on a pain scale I think.
RR is one of the few to help others.
I was there at summer jam when Travis Scott flipped out and kicked out a photographer. The guy was just doing his job, and Travis went on a power trip screaming “I’m an artist” while kicking the dude out. I was confused at that time. Just goes to show how much he doesn’t respect anybody not named Travis Scott. He stopped his whole show because someone was taking photos for work, but he won’t stop the show when his fans are screaming for help and dying.
Travis is an insane narcissist man. has absolutely zero empathy or cognizance of the people around him
Bro that shit was so weird, i never understood why he did that
@@CRAETION_ he is so entitled. He stole money from his parents and grandmother to fuel his music and lifestyle. Man didn’t even pay his grandmother back. Truly an entitled douche.
@@alejandroserrano7755 wait what? :0 is there any video about this?
He's just a narcissistic, selfish maniac, and the more I know about this guy, the more I never want to hear or even see this dude ever
if this was Coachella, then Travis wouldn’t be to be blame, it would be more on the organizers, but this was ASTROWORLD, he’s the face of the operation, the responsability falls on him
He has to take of alot of the blame. He was aware to an extent of what happening. It's his festival his responsibility, he and his crew are to blame no ifs or buts. Someone deserves jail time for this.
Its disgusting. Genuinely one of the most disgusting things i've seen in my lifetime.
Aron Morera: The video and police reports are pretty damning. Considering he had a big part in the organizing, and owns the festival, and is not simply the face of the operation, as you stated, it’s looking very much like he was very largely to blame. When an ambulance drives into the middle of an event, and he stops and acknowledges it, but doesn’t ask his fans to stop dancing on the ambulance or to let it through to look after the fallen, how do you say that he doesn’t know? Instead, he just went on with the set Without looking after his most vulnerable fans who were actively dying at the time. After the event was formally declared to be a mess casualty event, he went on for some half hour or more anyway. He is not just the face of the operation. I guess one of the following should have taken one of his shoes first. Perhaps then, he would’ve cared enough to Pause he sit and look for the person with his shoe. Perhaps 300 people would not have been injured, several badly enough to be hospitalized, and eight people might be alive right about now.
Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
@@James-vy5jg Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
I was there at Astroworld 2021 and also Astroworld 2019, I can say from experience the shit was hectic from the jump. I was at the gate for Don and as soon as he started preforming I knew this was different the crowd was body on body squeezing each other like a tube of tooth paste. Bobbing my head to the music while looking up to take breaths of cold air from the top, soon realized I had to leave the Don set early because the crowd was bad. So proceed to push past 50,000 people to sit and rest while my body was dripping sweat from being heated by the bodies of 1000s dancing. For the Travis Set I stood there waiting for two hours to get a good spot, which I did was near the stage left side floating with the crowd trying to stay afloat before he even got on. The crowd was like a singular entity moving as one big wave, you had no control of your movement or who you were pushing or stepping on. My area was super hetic constant falling and pushing for 2 hours before he even got on. I’m a 6ft 200lb guy and I was getting pushed around I can only imagine the small people. The crazy part is most of the crowd had no idea people died until later that night.
What’s the literal point of trying to make it to the front? The music sounds the same
@@richthekidsleptonmycouch plus you are contributing to the crush
@@richthekidsleptonmycouch front row or bust
@@richthekidsleptonmycouch man just having a good spot to see your favorite artist preform with other people who like him just as much. The energy is unmatched electric at that. Just a euphoric feeling sharing something with other people who feel the same excitement just as you do.
@Chandler Scott appreciate that man! Glad to be safe and sound.
My two cents: blaming the crowd for the stampede Is a mistake. A similar event happened in the UK at Hillsborough stadium, and the media made it out like the fans were being rowdy, - but it turned out that it was the police and organizers who had directed far too many people into a choke point and basically smushed everyone to death up against a chain link fence.
Basically, blame the organizers, and maybe Travis Scott for apparently not caring about his fans.
Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
fr blaming the crowd is nonsense man, they paid money and went there for a reason, travis had to stop, if he stops the people leave, doesn't work the other way around like some like to think
@@lucianocoacci2129 that video of those fans running over ppl is hard to watch. at the least they could have been at least helping those around them that were falling
@@maka8551 there is literal video footage of him seeing unconscious bodies being carried away and continuing to sing. regardless of management, THERE IS NO EXCUSE for continuing the concert or denying the requests of people to stop. it’s disgusting and negligible.
I live not too far from Hillsborough Stadium, and despite the disaster occurring nearly a decade before I was born its still very fresh in the minds of my fellow South Yorkshiremen. We take this shit seriously, and seeing it happen again albeit on a smaller scale is heart wrenching. Once again people are being blamed for their own deaths and I can't stand it.
The first mosh pit I ever went to was for City Morgue and I cannot stress enough how much the two of them emphasized mosh safety.
Between each song people would also pick up objects that others might’ve dropped and return them to their owner.
It really feels like these fans that attended the festival don’t understand what a mosh pit is supposed to be.
@@TommyV8898 I heard the venue was big enough to hold 200,000 but it only had 50,000 that night, so it probably wasn't that there wasn't enough room.
Imagine thinking a mosh pit is kool..lol
@@lisazoria2709 50,000 at ONE STAGE. Definitely a concoction for crowd crush
@@Sky_Blaze they can be pretty cool when done right, Mosh Etiquette is a big deal. Seen dudes get rolled for breaking it.
Fuckin zoomers man they've ruined gig culture for me
Really excellent coverage of the situation man. Thanks for doing this, and for being so professional with it ❤️
Hey Brad I'm curious how do you feel about listening to Travis's music now I know you have said on AOTY that you really like rodeo so what are your thoughts?
Yea bruh this shit fucked up
Yeah, rest in peace for all the people who died on astrofest 😭😭😭😭
Rest in peace to the victims
🎵🎶🎼⚖📽🎬🔬🕵♀️🕵♂️🕵
When looking at how literally any other artist or band has handled overcrowding or fighting in the crowd..you see how much of a basic thing it is to tell the crowd to pick others up and stay safe. Even Lil Pump stopped one of his shows to tell people to step back and keep hydrated. Even Lil Pump had the decency to tell his fans to chill out.
Travis lacks basic empathy. Its kind of creepy.
This entire event was Satanic Symbolism. Luciefer was the head Angel of music before he was cast out of Heaven for blasphemy. This was a blood sacrifice. Everyone going through his Head was the Sheep being lead to Slaughter. The stage was setup as an Inverted cross. His shirt said “See you on the other side” He told the crowd to point to the sky and give the middle finger to God.
Security told him people were dying in the crowd and He continued for another 40 minutes. The entire event was Pure Evil. Travis is pawn for the dark side 100% should be in Jail and banned from all Concerts.
Yeah Travis Scott seems to like it. Check his history. Arrested in 2015 for inciting his crowd. Telling people to jump from the balcony area at a concert in 2017. I'm sure the list goes on but yeah he likes it when people get hurt.
travis did this multiple times though
@@andrewfreeman88 dont bring this satanic panic bullshit into genuine loss of life
Perhaps he is a NCP? Non character Player? Or possed by demons?
at this point if anyone is still defending travis they’re being willfully ignorant. no one is saying he bears all the responsibility but you can’t just ignore the fact that he knew something was seriously wrong and continued to play like it was nothing. there was a body in front of his face and he kept singing. the man was completely unphased. he intentionally ignores safety measures and encouragers reckless behavior. he thrives on this type of chaos. people have lost their lives because of carelessness and lack of empathy. that’s more important than sticking up for an artist you like.
I agree man Travis has responsibility over this, and artist always looks over the crowd and make sure evryone is safe. Mans couldn’t even stop to tell everyone to take 5 steps back or something .
@Hood Shit so you’re just ignoring all the videos floating around… this is exactly what i’m talking about.
@@lamb9770 theres so many videos cut off to be taken out of context lmao. dude is right, he didnt know people were dying. i was there, its dark and you can barely hear anything but the music and even when the music was off you cant hear shit
@@hiocade5828 there were people laying down getting CPR on the ground and dead bodies at the very front below the stage where travis is standing. there is a video of him looking directly at a dead body in the crowd and just continues singing. you can’t possibly defend that unless you’re a troll. he even acknowledged it and told them to get him out. the crowd was shouting travis stop. there were people yelling on stage for the crew to do something. everyone who worked the show knew. they all have earpieces including travis. for this exact reason. SAFETY. he said “who told me to stop? this what you came for.” there were several points where the stage is elevated so travis can see the entire crowd from the air and there are clearly bodies on the ground and people trying carry out bodies while everyone else panics. he saw people die and didn’t stop. there are fucking videos of it. stop defending this man who does not give a single shit about your life.
the fucking promo vid showed clips of people breaking barriers the year before, its insane , this was bound to happen eventually
My friend told me about this last night and my heart sank. There's something about tragedies at concerts that deeply upset me. Music is such a beautiful thing and it brings so many people of all ages together, and when something happens to destroy that, I feel terrible. Imagine the horror the parents of those kids that said "I'm just going to a concert tonight, I'll be back later" are experiencing. Now there are DOZENS of families left to grieve and it all could've been avoided if they put safety first.
Chester screaming 'pick 'em up!' was on my mind the whole video. Gave me the chills you put that on there, man..it's a fucking shame..thoughts go out to everyone who ever lost someone.
My younger sister passed out at the meadows festival a few years ago during a gorrilaz set and it’s one of the scariest things that can happen. You feel trapped and barely anyone seems to care. I’m very thankful to the few people that helped us get through the sea of people to a medical tent.
I'm no longer a fan of his after whatever this was. You've got to have a shattered moral compass to put a concert on pause over someone stealing your shoe, yet carrying on with another one while witnessing unparalleled chaos in front of you. Disgusting negligence. The "apology" that followed was about as insincere as it gets. Circling the drain.
On another note, major props to Mr. Fantano here for providing an account and opinions on what happened without being biased. As enraging as it is, I'm a bit surprised.
Yeah I agree with you
I feel exactly the same. I hate this whole “cancel culture” but to be honest some people deserve it. I deleted all his music off my Spotify because I can’t listen to someone who is so morally corrupt. Chester from Linkin Park (rest in paradise) once stopped a concert because he saw a girl pass out, and that saved her life. And to be honest I don’t believe it was only 8 people that died. Videos of actual concert goers say there were what seemed like hundreds of bodies on the floor.
Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
@@mjmjmj8911 I hate the whole "cancel culture" thing too. People do an awful lot of crying about it for something that doesn't really happen.
@@mjmjmj8911 Yeah, I’m by no means a cancel culture vulture, but in this particular instance, it’s like you said - the idea of bumping this guy’s music anymore just feels wrong. There’s a reason I’m not too crazy about playing R. Kelly’s music in the car or anywhere else. No denying the talent these people have, but what does it truly mean if their talents and social statuses aren’t being manifested for good cause? You can’t carry on showing support to these people in good faith when it is evidenced that they could not care less about the support that is so crucial to them being where they are in the first place.
A guy at my high school passed away at the event I didn’t really know him, but I hope his family finds healing this was such a horrible tragedy that shouldn’t have even happened
Thank you for showing examples of what artists *should* do when they see that something is amiss in the audience. I think people underestimate exactly how much an artist can see from the stage. I’ve seen musicians stop mid-song if they see *one* person fall out or if the audience is getting crushed.
According to witnesses, hundreds of people were falling unconscious, there’s no way Travis Scott didn’t notice that something was very wrong. It really seems like he isn’t concerned about the safety of his fans. This was an avoidable tragedy. RIP.
I'm reminded of being at a Russkaja concert at a small-scale festival. They have a song called Traktor which is basically their circle pit track, a mainstay and one of the highlights of their shows. And when they saw that people weren't taking proper care of each other (because festival crowds are often shit), they straight-up stopped playing and refused to start again until the pit dispersed. Most likely prevented a bunch of injuries.
Who is the guy that stopped the show? That he shown an example of?
@@khxliakhxlia3605 playboi carti, the goat
You should really watch the full concert. It’s not hard to believe Travis didn’t know what was really happening. The crowd literally sings along to the songs all the way until the end. And even when you see the crowd from his perspective, it doesn’t look particularly suspicious.
Recently was at a Suicideboys concert that was crazy, but they stopped the show 3 times to make sure everyone was good while throwing waters out. $not stopped a show recently too to check on a kid. Its very common theres no way i believe he didn’t realize shit was going downhill
That clip at the end almost made me tear up. There were multiple times Chester and LP spotted someone in trouble and IMMEDIATELY stopped everything and directed all attention to them. Those are people who actually cared about their fans and human lives. Travis just says that bullshit but fails to back it up. This isn't the first time people have been hurt at his shows. With his history of riling up the crowd, this was bound to happen eventually. Such senseless death..
Bro Roddy Rich immediately said that he was donating all his proceeds to the victims well before Travis even posted anything, that man has earned my respect for that and I'm just amazed at both Travis and Drake for their responses to this thing.
What about their responses? You don’t know what they’ll do in order to help the families or the people hurt.
@@sondersonics7534 you’re ignorant because money doesn’t replace lives regardless of what Travis does the lives are gone already
drake also went to a strip club and blew a bag the same night or night after it happened too lol
drake didnt say anything yet lol
@@TheRealDl0 at least he supports the families that have lost someone they were depending on financially. you are the ignorant one. people cant fix their mistakes, they only can do good after their mistake, which is what roddie rich did. He deserves respect for that, I wanna see you donate millions to support families that have undergone tragedies
watching travis chanting “yeeeaah” as he’s watching a dead body being carried out is the most scarring thing & i wasnt even there. praying for these people!
Actually that clips was edited short by whoever posted it. The body he’s staring at is actually a person he paused the show for and told security to rescue. The reason he’s staring is because he’s making sure security get to the correct person. Watch the concert online.
@@Gino565 this doesn't make anything he did any better lol
That person wasn’t dead but it was still insensitive
@@DaemonJerky really? It doesn’t make it better than instead of being a psychopath that stares at unconscious bodies and sings to them, he got help for that person and was actually just making sure they got to safety?
Well that’s quite odd.
@@Gino565 Travis Scott stan
It's so damning that this video on the subject is by far the most lenient towards Travis that I've seen while still sticking to the facts. Even if you try to be generous towards Travis, the best you can say about him is that he didn't prioritize his fans' safety. At worst, he actively encouraged unsafe practices. And that "apology" video he posted looked less like he was distraught and more like he just woke up with a hangover.
Travis’s reaction to this reminds me of that part in Lord Of The Flies where they all accidentally stab Simon to death because they thought he was the “beast”, and reality sets in that they went too far and actually killed a person. They were high on adrenaline and lost their minds because they were a bunch of young boys running rampant on a deserted island with no adult supervision and no sense of authority. Travis was no different from those boys, and it isn’t the first time he acted like them at his concert. Yeah the reality set in for him too, but far too late. I’m sure he cares more about those incoming lawsuits than the lives lost.
I was at a Ski Mask the Slump God concert once, coincidentally our Anthony Fantano was there as well. Apparently earlier during the tour a fan got injured, so Ski Mask and all the stage crew took the time and MADE IT CLEAR that everyone should be looking out for those around them, picking people up, and staying hydrated. They also tossed out free water bottles throughout the show. Like Ski Mask, Travis knows his audience and is 100% aware that this kind of thing can happen.
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ayeee i was there too, great show
Ski's show was the most fun I've ever had at a show. HELLA HIGH ENERGY.... but safe. Something Travis shows seems to lack.
@@LTKK Exactly! You can still have fun and be safe at the same time.
That clip at the end “when someone falls down what do you do?” “Pick them up?” Sounds like a prayer now. This tragedy should have never happened. My heart hurts for all the victims.
Just for some context. I am an EMT and I have worked at festivals like this. That “security cart” is what we call a Merv. Basically a heavy duty golf cart for medical staff. So, what you see there is a Merv most likely staffed with an EMT and a Paramedic who are TRYING to get to a patient that needs medical attention.
I’ve seen crowds like this and it can crazy. Props to all emergency personal on and off duty trying to help. RIP to the victims and their families, my prayers to all the injured.
Hopefully we can learn from this.
I have been to multiple concerts that have been stopped as they forced attendees to step backwards to relieve pressure. I also was near the front row of another show and a girl was freaking out about the pressure next to me so those surrounding lifted her up on top of the crowd and surfed her outta there. Travis definitely has responsibility for what occured. Education of the crowd should also be done by artists as they open to set the example especially those with younger fanbases.
I was in the camp of defending Travis...before I saw the videos and pictures. "This shit is loud and the crowd is massive. He could've easily not known."
Well...he knew. Not the numbers, but when there's an acknowledged ambulance in the middle of the crowd, unconscious bodies and chants to stop the show. The more I think about it, the worse it gets.
Feels like Travis read about the bystander effect and thought it'd be a great sequel to 'BUTTERFLY EFFECT'.
beyond Travis Scott himself being willfully ignorant of the situation, it BLOWS my mind the festival staff/organizers didn't even step in to relay the severity of the situation immediately to him while he just continued performing. utter tragedy.
EXACTLY. I agree with this statement, but I actually saw a video of him being told by two members of the show about “something” while he was on stage. As to what those guys said while he was on stage, we don’t know (as of yet) but to me, that’s the biggest determining factor of if he could have done a better job than he did.
when did he acknowledge chants to stop the show? From the videos i e seen those were not only out of earshot, but out of eyesight. Hundreds of rows back from the stage. He acknowledged unconscious bodies by stopping the show and directing security to help those people out. But expecting him to have knowledge of what's happening hundreds of rows of people back is absurd
@@zakxyz2813 he literally says “who asked me to stop” with his smug fucking demeanor. Fuck Travis Scott.
@@lax5798 I'm asking, where is the video of him acknowledging people telling him to stop and him disregarding it. I've watched all the videos Ive been able to find and ss far as Ive seen this did not happen.
Even Cudi (who Travis' inspired by and the person who was personified as Mr Rager) would not let his fans go apeshit due to concern on their safety. While Travis here acting and ordering his crowds to act "raAGe" like mindless 7 year old.
As a 60 something man I remember The Who concert on December 3, 1979 at Riverfront Coliseum. Because of doors that were not open on time and sounds that the concert goers assumed were The Who starting early people started to rush the entrance (where only two of the doors were open) 11 people died in the crush.
It sometimes seems that we human are simply incapable of learning from tragedy
Back in august I was at the Donda listening party at soldier field and once they opened the gates up every single person was running to the merch line. I was jogging for a little bit then thought it was absurd to be running as fast as one could just for a shirt. I had ended up talking with a security guard while walking through the stadium and he mentioned how the merch hadn't even arrived at the stadium yet. and as i both got to the bottom of the ramp to head to my seat i was swarmed on both sides by hundreds of people trying to find whatever merch stand had items. I was stuck, couldn't move anywhere because people thought I was trying to cut them in line. After a while it became hard to breathe (and I am relatively tall 6'2") and I slowly made my way to the edge of the crowd as I could. Finally got some air and suddenly one security guard moved a stantion that opened up space towards the empty table. And that moment the crowds stampeded over baricades to get closer to that table, I moved with the crowd for a bit just to not get trampled. But there was a stone formation in the stadium that my leg got suck in, I was unable to move due to the crowd pushing harder and harder against me. the stone began digging into my skin of my calf/leg and I soon felt so much pressure that i thought my shin was going to snap as my upper leg and body was being pushed down and climbed over. I don't know exactly how I mustered up the strength to move against enough people to pull my leg out and just hug a pole close by so the crowd would go around so I could survive. once the crowd had moved on I went to a security guard to try and find first aid to help me with my leg as it was extremely bloody and he said he didn't think there was first aid. I then asked one of the concessions workers if there was first aid and there was no one. I can't believe how unprepared artists and teams and companys such as livenation are and I am so sad to hear many were not able to get the help they need. My heart goes out to all those families who lost someone at this festival. I hope major changes happen and that travis and his team accept responsibility because it is all on them.
I’ve been in the front at shows with a fraction of this many people and know how intense the crowd pushing forward can be and how trapped you can feel. The though of a crowd that size doing it is terrifying.
Bruh i was at alt ldn lil yachty and i thought my leg was gonna break because there was a domino effect where like 20 people fell over on each other and i couldn’t move
@@MinecraftWillZoBoB I was there
I’m more than 6ft tall, my friend even taller, and we got caught up in it
My exact point of reference for this too. The surging effect was starting to get a bit scary n made me worried about my sister. Cant imagine how powerful it would be in a crowd like this
@@MinecraftWillZoBoB it's horrifying man. I've only momentarily experienced that "crowd crush" feeling, but I geniunely was lifted off the ground, my arms were stuck in the air and I couldn't breath. Imagine that for an entire hour plus
That the scariest thing ever. This coulda been anyone. Me, you, your brother, your friend.
Is even eerier to me because I was talking with my friends the day before the festival how we shoulda went this year, how we should definitely save money to go next year, how lucky some people were going to be able to go, etc
@@FMDedits yeah at the time though i never thought i was danger, maybe i was a little bit but i think it a very different thing, like only 1000 people at alt ldn but i'm guessing there were so many people at astro that they just could'nt fit and toppled onto each other and if it was like yachty but 5x worse then it makes sense how people died
Honestly I’m going to have a hard time listening to Travis again after this, this was horribly tragic, and it could’ve 100% been prevented. RIP to all those that were lost. 🙏
Same
Same
And that’s facts
Same, wish his music wasn't good would be so cool if his discography was held by someone nice. I hate him so much as a person now, such a slimy asshole creep, he seems really weird and insular and narcissistic too. This isn't the first bad thing he's done but it's by 1000x magnitude the worst
i agree, it just feels so different
Seeing people defending Travis on twitter saying "this is how Travis's shows are, if you can't handle it, don't go. We are ragers" made my blood boil, this whole thing is tragic and RIP to everyone who lost their lifes in this mess, also hope that people that were there and saw this don't get mentally scared because just by seeing the videos I got terrible feelings, being there and seeing all this in front of your eyes must be traumatizing, honestly. I'm really sad.
I bet those same type of people are the people who hate and judge on metal bands such as Pantera for being "racist" and "nazis" because of some small harmless stupid incident that happened at a concert like Phil doing the nazi salute and than when he apologizes and cares for his fans they hate on him more but when they see Travis and Drake they see angels? yeah right as if they didn't have a whole ass phase of accusing Drake of being a pedophile and Travis with this incident It makes my blood boil seeing hypocrisy like that and not to mention they agrue aganist seperating the art from the artist but than they do stuff like this like tf?
It’s very telling cause Travis obviously encourages that…
After this, he should never be permitted to hold concerts ever again. These events are clearly too dangerous and he doesn't get it.
@@colico14 too dangerous lol this is his 3rd festival and in countless shows he’s performed no one has passed u know why this one just randomly was such a disaster because there was a barricading issue and the VIP stage was in the middle and everyone got pinned stop trying to turn everything into a pathetic attempt at cancel culture after seeing a bunch of short clips and maybe read some of the stories of ppl like myself who were there and the CPR were DROPPING bodies on stretchers and didn’t know how to perform CPR and Travis stopped the show twice putting his trust in people that are supposed to be “qualified”
@@alleviate9262 so what about his history of inciting fans to violence and “raging” as you stans so aptly put it
I don’t understand how people are still defending Travis handling of this event!
Just fanboys who don't want Travis to get canceled.
I don’t think anybody’s saying he’s not somewhat responsible for what happened that night but more so aware that he’s not the only one to blame. As a artist your main focus is performing and supplying the best show possible. It’s also a huge difference from MCR’s event and Travis event. 50 thousand people compared to 5 thousand is a drastic difference that can’t be compared what do ever. looking into a crowd of 55K people and expecting to see people collapsed under each other is very unrealistic standard for anybody. Faint screaming for help is zoned out by music and thousands of other people yelling, another unrealistic expectation for Travis to hear that while he’s on stage. He stopped several times to give people a chance to calm down and regroup. It’s clear on stage he doesn’t know the severity of the situation as most people didn’t until after the show was over. People that were alerted of the dangers and didn’t alert Travis are more so in the wrong as it’s partially there job to assure the safety of the concert goers. Admission staff, security, managers, venue owner, event coordinators the list of people to blame goes on. To pin this horrific event on one person is just down right ridiculous, too many people are at fault for this to just be a one person blame game. The media’s very fast to continue the cancel trend and people that don’t think for themselves follow along.
@@GagglePaggle If you don’t think dat, you should do more research. It take a few seconds on social media to find people who completely exonerate him of any responsibility. 😒
@@speedboy6776 cancelled is too little. He, the organizers and the people at live nation should be facing time
@@GagglePaggle you really on Travis dick, dude, listen to yourself. The amount of people saying it's "all travis's fault" (to which im assuming you believe is a majority of people) is fairly small compared to the people I see defending Travis and downplaying the large amount of control he had over the situation. No way he's this ignorant to these sitatuons happening at his shows after so many incidents. After all those previous incidents of people passing out/becoming paralyzed, you'd think he'd coordinate with his team and make sure it doesnt happen again, but apparently not. And his failure to take preventive measure as well as not paying attention to his surroundings (like that unconscious body he was serenading) makes this his fault at large.
It was insane. I felt like I was gonna get crushed at the beginning when The Crush happened.
My leg got go fucked up and I couldn’t walk for a bit but it recovered quick. Stretched my right calf trying to stay upright in the mud.
My group and I were in the front-left. We had no idea about the deaths until 6AM the next morning.
I remember two small women asking if we could group up with my group to stay safe. They were skinny and less than 5ft. I lost them. I hope they came out okay!
Edit: Looking back at some footage, I realized someone said people are dying. I couldn’t hear people past like 4ft as everyone was screaming and the music was loud.
Edit 2: Small 16oz water bottles were $5 each. The free water line (only two stations) was HUGE. A scam. Being hydrated may have saved many lives. By the end, my group and I got the last few bottles because we left during Goosebumps.
one of the kids who died went to a high school in my neighborhood. he was a freshman. this whole situation is so heartbreaking.
i’m glad to see so many content creators addressing and helping out with this situation.
Although not my worst experience, I was at Woodstock 99, and it was a total shit show that I'll never forget for the rest of my life and I honestly avoid festival concert venues because of it, although I've been to plenty of concerts since. My heart goes out to all these people.
Only 1 Woodstock. The rest were cheap grabs at nostalgia.
I was just gonna comment about Woodstock 99 I was there as well !!
Seemed apocalyptic
basically Die Hard + Apocalypse Now, the concert
Travis Scott should’ve stopped. Instead, he exacerbated an already dangerous situation. You could hear the audience screaming for help between songs in the livestream, there’s no way Travis Scott wasn’t aware that something was very, very wrong.
He saw unconscious bodies being crowdsurfed over the audience and kept singing, he saw the trapped ambulance and he told everyone to put their arms up and to make the ground shake; two of the worst things an artist could do in a crowd crush situation.
As soon as people put their arms up it made the crowd compress even more. People said as soon as they put their arms up they couldn’t get them back down, exposing their ribs and losing their best line of defense in a packed crowd; their shoulders and elbows.
Add in the jumping and everyone *had* to jump, if anyone lost their footing during that situation they ended up being swallowed by the sea of bodies and trampled beneath their feet.
TS had so many opportunities to diffuse the situation, and he did nothing. He made the situation worse. RIP to the victims.
And it's such a Lie he's saying he don't know what's going on. Like are you blind my guy....
Egomaniac.
I'm honestly going to have trouble ever listening to Travis after this.
@A name with RG in it honestly, this is worse than Woodstock 99, though that event was pretty terrible too.
I really can't figure out why he didn't stop... Was it fear of ticket refunds? Like what could it have been? He was obviously aware at some point, you can't tell me he went 37 minutes without hearing one fan screaming for help or for the show to stop.
the fact that you use PLAYBOI CARTI as an example of what should've happened is hilarious to me, shows how preventable this horrible situation was. RIP to those who passed on Friday
bro playboi carti continues the concert right after with no regard. he didnt show the full clip.
@@a_hus_66 at least no one died
don't know if you've already seen the reddit thread of all the artists who have stopped shows to help fans, but even fucking LIL PUMP went above and beyond for one fan that was having a seizure.
@@a_hus_66 exactly thanks, I love playboi but he literally said Ayt fuck all that seconds after that clip lmaooo
I'm devastated at this as most people are! My neice was killed at Ariana Grande concert It still hurts so much! Love To All Affected by this Needless Tragedy ❣x
I have no words. I am so, so sorry you had to witness your niece pass away to that horrible tragedy. I truly wish that you and your family will always be safe.
Soo sorry for your loss!! 😥💜
I am so sorry. My heart goes out to you and your family.
I am so sorry for your loss. I agree, a tragedy like this should have never happened.
Not to detract from the topic, but damn do you have a good community. Not one liner BS comments. Up the ying yang, sentences if not paragraphs of discussion between people reading each others stuff and pertaining to the topic. Explorative thinkers. Keep up the great work man. This is awesome.
Melon the goat for donating the ad revenue for this
He would get flamed if he didn't or if he didn't have the ads off.
@@dejojoo I think getting "flamed" is the least of his worries
Money isn’t everything, stop praising these gestures
@@unmixedunmastered2810 it isn't everything, but it's something
Insta like for me. Really appreciate that choice
It's fucking disgusting how Travis and management didn't do shit.
Thoughts and prayers to the people affected.
What doesn’t make sense to me about people who are defending Travis, saying there was little he could do is that fact that it’s HIS festival?? Let’s say he genuinely didn’t see what was going on in the crowd(although it’s unlikely) the fact of the matter is the event was poorly put together. Understaffed, and overcrowded. He wasn’t a hired talent at someone else’s festival or event, this was HIS event. Yes the organizers of the event are definitely to blame but who’s the person that HIRED them?? Him and his team are liable for hiring the organizers they did. If you’re going to throw a whole festival with giant monuments of yourself all over the place, maybe be more hands on and make sure it’s safe for the people that are paying hundreds of dollars to see you.
I don’t remember which band/artist it was but I heard that during a live performance a crowd crush started happening and so the singer stopped and said “ayyo spread out a little and let people breathe or we’re ending the concert”. The crowd listened and everything went well. So yeah I feel like in this case Travis definitely could have done something to stop the situation from escalating.
i was there and the people were planning to riot and storm the fences if travis cancelled , u also couldn’t hear anything , the area where i was at everything was chill and normal , like a normal concert it
@@yuh4357 I have considered this. If he just stopped the show, people would have burnt the place down, with the possibility of more harm and destruction than what did occur.
@@yuh4357 Well maybe you're not the best person too talk about it if everything was fine where you were?? It's supposed to be safe everywhere and you not being affected certainly doesn't mean that the festival should go on like normal. Oh and also, fans threatening to riot isn't a good enough reason to keep a concert going after it's been announced as a mass casualty. It should have been stopped, Travis shoud've been more hands on and the organisers should've let him know about what was going on so that he could do something about it if we assume that he genuinely didn't know. There's no argument against stopping the concert once it's already gotten as bad as it did. People died because of poor planning, preparation and ignorance towards what was happening and that's all there is to it.
Ok so if I drive my parents car and crash it is it there fault because it’s there car.
As a performer you guide the crowd. They are receptive to your input. It is great fun to go absolutely nuts, and taking care of yourself and others does not take anything from that fun. Every performer needs to know that their words and actions influences every person in the crowd.
I was there. I had waited 3 hours in the crowd for Don Toliver’s set, and even before he came out the whole crowd was swaying, me and everyone around me had to fight to stay on our feet. It’s like Melon said, at first we had a decent amount of space, but as the show grew closer, the space between everyone in my area completely disappeared as the crowd grew bigger, definitely could be described as compression of the crowd and a borderline crush. When Don finally came out all hell broke loose, couldn’t even enjoy the music because the crowd was so close together, I could barely breathe, the swaying got even more intense and a couple songs in people started fighting to get out. I remember so many fans, big and small with their faces red, looking like they were on the verge of passing out trying to shove their way to get out, as well as an understaffed security trying to lift people over the barrier. It was chaos. As soon as Don finished up all I could think was “if it’s this crazy for Don, what the fuck is Travis gonna be like?” Something should’ve been done there and then. The whole vibe was off. I got very lucky for Travis because I waited 3 hours again to get into a decent part of the crowd, so that I would be in front of the designated area for the main camera rig that was closed off, so that I wouldn’t be as vulnerable to a crowd surge from new people coming in behind from the other stage. That really payed off because it wasn’t as bad, I could actually enjoy the show and had enough room to jump around in the moshpit. However everything was still off, I distinctly remember the medical cart coming though my part of the crowd which confused the fuck out of me because my impression initially was that things weren’t as crazy. Travis stopping the show for a passed out fan also worried me. When the show ended I heard rumors from talking to people that there had been deaths, but I didn’t want to believe them. When I got clear of NRG park it was just sirens for blocks on end, just fire trucks and ambulances everywhere. Didn’t realize at the time that the whole event was basically a crime scene w heavy casualties. I have my own opinions about who’s at fault and who isn’t, but I also want to mention that the way the barricades were set up, the organizers were begging for this to happen. For the left side of the main stage and for the smaller stage it was basically closed off once you got close enough, like a square setup of barricades with only one side open, allowing that part of the crowd to get compressed into that space, a huge red flag that someone organizing should have noticed. I’m extremely angry with Live Nation for doing such a shitty job, fans who were probably as excited as I was for the event lost their lives from this negligence, and I’ll be trying to get in on one of the suits against them, it’s the only way these companies learn. But overall I’m devastated that so many people had to go through hell when they were just trying to enjoy the show, RIP to the 8 who died and my thoughts are with the families of those lost and with anyone who got seriously injured.
TLDR: Event should’ve been cancelled after Don Tolliver’s show, fuck Live Nation
You aren't do any compensation for being fine and worshipping a celebrity you and all of them deserve it.... and your just money hungry now like your fake god
Love nation just distributes tickets I think
@@dontlookmeinmyeyeswhenudan5241 Nah they promoted and organized, they merged with Ticketmaster recently for ticket distribution
@@satansgimp4404 Had an aneurysm trying to read that, learn English before you talk shit
@@larion_de🤡 your life is on a good start lmao
Gotta say, as someone terrified of crushes, once a crowd grows to a density of 6 or 7 people per square meter, the crowd develops fluid dynamics, and it is very difficult for a person to control their movement. Lots of people have been talking about the audience behavior in a way I think doesn’t acknowledge how powerless people tend to be in a crush scenario. The people in the back pressing forward literally have no knowledge of what’s happening in the center, and once they do know, it’s too late, they’re the ones being crushed. That’s why artists encouraging everyone to step back in between songs or making a point of keeping an eye on the crowd is so vital: they can be the first to let those people in the back know that moving forward isn’t safe.
This is the most intelligent and thoughtful answer here. Well put. I really hope it isn’t buried by moronic conspiracy theorists.
Not to distract from what a tragedy this is, but I want to thank you for putting the Carti clip in because I noticed a huge amount of worrying hyper-religious and bigoted comments on all the major posts regarding the concert calling the youth and modern music in general “demonic and evil”. Carti literally has inverted crosses in the background and immediately took action when informed the crowd was in danger. Alternative/provocative art is not at fault here.
Again, this is not the bigger issue as the loss of these lives is absolutely devastating but I wanted to share this thought.
People are always gonna take advantage of tragic situations to push their own narratives bro. Never fall for their shit
You have no discernment. Watch all the stories of the people who had personal experiences. Non religious people who were there described the festival as dark and demonic. “The portal of hell.” Stop defending this crap. Carti’s venue doesn’t compare to Travis’.
@@JD-my8gz that's some middle age thinking right here
thank you! it bothers me to see so much religious bullshit over this... I feel like it kind of trivializes the situation. But fanatics and conspiracy theorists will take any chance to recruit people, I guess.
Edit: Sometimes words are just words and symbols are just symbols (or at least you have to assume so to start with), if you go too far trying to find ulterior motives and hidden meanings in everything you'll become a helpless paranoid. That's what conspiracy theorists and fanatics are.
edit 2 lmao: the claims of "bad energy" and "demonic symbolism" are probably just people telling themselves a story to cope with the trauma. it's easier that way. the "bad energy" is what anyone feels in a horribly distressing situation. i dont know that there's anything to unencrypt there, some hidden meaning. i see it as people explaining reality to themselves by sublimating it to great evils and great gods out there to cope with the powerlessness... i think
That's the cross of Saint Peter. Ignore God at your own peril.
I doubt anyone outside of the UK will have heard of this but this distinctly reminds me of the Hillsborough Disaster.
Yup, even today it's fresh in the minds of everyone in the UK, especially those of us from South Yorkshire. Only just this year I was part of a crowd crush at Bloodstock (right on the barrier) and it was legitimately terrifying. I've been in many crushes but this one had me thinking I'd come out paralysed. Factor in the heavy crowdsurfers going overhead (who we couldn't help push over the barrier because we couldn't so much as move our arms due to how tight it was), and it was a nightmare.
Fuck the Sun
Please excuse American ignorance
@@CHlEFFIN It's got nothing to do with American ignorance and everything to do with the fact it was 4 decades ago in a completely different country. If someone were to name a terrible tragedy from that long ago in say, Germany, I probably wouldn't know it. It's good to learn about these things but I don't think judgement is necessary.
The whole Raging community and mindset that Travis has influenced has affected his shows so negatively. Most of the kids there at Astro have probably never been to other shows outside of that and didn’t know what to do either. I can’t even imagine how scary the whole situation must’ve been. And the fact that nobody stopped the show completely is really really concerning
RIP to all the victims. sending love to all their families 🕊
There is no artist worth getting crushed over. I’ll be in the back enjoying my snacks
I was like 14-15 when I fell in a heavy metal concert mosh pit. I thought I was gonna get trampled on, but an older gentleman reached down and grabbed me by my collar and pulled me up 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Then he gave me two pats on my back which made me feel fantastic
Even at something as relatively tame as a twenty-one pilots concert, at two different shows I was at, midway through, Tyler will get the crowd to focus, pay attention to him, and ask everyone in the pit to take one step back. It is so simple, and when you have a crowd captivated like that, they will obey you. It made the pit much more bearable for the rest of the night and made the final mosh easy and enjoyable. Without that moment, I don't think it would be as fun, and I'm certain people would have been crushed eventually. And it takes 30 seconds tops.
I’ve seen Tyler stop the show and bring up the lights when someone passed out. A single person. Meanwhile Travis Scott allows hundreds of people to get injured. Ridiculous.
Wiz khalifa and Snoop did the same thing when they seen that we moved forward they paused for the cause. Had us move back
I thought the same thing! Tyler stopped for a bit when I saw them too bc someone was passing out
To clarify it was a crowd crush, not a stampede. In a stampede people have more control over their motion and they are walking on top of people, whereas in a crush they are simply so packed together that they suffocate just from standing.
In addition I think you should give more responsibility to Live Nation here (while not cutting Travis any slack either)
Exactly, Live Nation and the performers and crew (assigned to security/safety, not doubling as rigging/pyrotechnics/lighting/sound) needed to be maintaining awareness of and communicating about what was happening in the crowd. I've worked at so many shows and some are just professionally run, especially the one's that are not such big monopolies. I don't see, from footage of the setup, how they were planning to ensure safety or keep tabs on what was happening.
Travis didn't do anything, but I agree with you. Fantano point at 7:57 is the most Travis could've done to address the problem. Just tell the fans to relax a lil or simply ask "Yall good?" or something. Travis ain't Jesus he cant do too much that would've stopped it. The venue are ultimately to blame.
@@Will-bn9km maybe he shouldn’t have urged people without a ticket to storm the entrance either?
@@Will-bn9km So he couldn't have stopped the show and told them everyone needed to calm down while people were being rescued? If the music had stopped for just a few minutes they would have probably been able to find injured people more easily and quickly. And what about when he saw an ambulance (what he thought was one, though I'm not entirely sure if that was just the security vehicle) and then went right back to the show like nothing had happened?
@@HXCCIVI yeah I saw his tweet about letting the "wild ones" through still.
This reminds me of when I saw System of a Down live in 2015 in Chicago. The field was wet from rain and it caused a ton of mud. The entire crowd was swaying and a lot of people fell over and were trampled on, including my own sister who was there with me. Unfortunately, I didn't know about it until after the show ended since we got separated from the crowd swaying so much. She had to get crowd-surfed to the medics as well as other people. Daron the guitarist even had to stop in the middle of a song because he saw someone getting trampled nearly to death. He said "I can't keep playing when I see someone dying in front of me." Thankfully, nobody died that night, but a bunch of people were injured. I felt terrible for everyone who went to the show to originally have fun but instead ended up being miserable and didn't get to see SOAD perform. I feel the same way if not worse with this Travis Scott incident. I can't imagine going to a live show only to end up dying before the show ends.
Dude I was at that same concert. I was in the back because I was rolling nuts off lsd but remember them stopping the show because the giant crowd rush.
@@roblennon4057 Weird to see a comment that makes me laugh in this comment section, but I appreciate it x3
Furthermore, Travis Scott was accused by a former employee (maybe manager, i don’t remember exactly and not his name either) of leaving him for dead when he had a seizure. other people were there and were able to get help, but travis just left without even calling 911.
I remember reading about that a long time ago and I didnt believe it was true. The manager’s name is Shane Morris.
Kinda crazy how Travis spoke in a magazine interview about Dystopia being a state of miscommunication, and that’s a major reason why those 8 people lost their lives. The fact that the new songs that dropped the day of the tragedy had a cover that read “The True Dystopia is Here!” is eerie. RIP to all the victims
Yeah it's so ironic
The very first song is "ESCAPE PLAN"
Raymond P. Assi; yikes that’s pretty terrible. It’s sort of gives the impression that he at least partly caused this situation and failed to get it under control, and then use the fallout to promote his new album. That’s just disgusting. And given the fact that he had it made plain to him that things were going Sideways long before the concert ever started, at different points through the concert, and then for about half an hour or something after the event was declared a mass casualty event he continued on with his set, it looks pretty awful bad. It looks like pure malevolence.
@@daphneraven6745 just a heads up, the songs came out the night before the festival so he didn’t use the tragedy as promotion for the new songs. I think there are many parties to blame here. If you have a problem with Travis continuing while people are passing out, then he should have BEEN cancelled. Because in the past he continues every concert despite the injuries. This one just got attention because people passed away, unfortunately.
Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
God that clip of Chester ❤️ what a fucking tragedy. Can’t believe Travis didn’t stop. It’s gonna be hard to listen to his music after this and idk if I will honestly. Big props for donating your ad money to the victims and RIP to everyone that sadly passed 🕊
"Cant believe travis didn't stop"?? Wtf made you think he would?! You know the type of person he is!
@@joemama-hc4gl at best he could have stopped playing thats called courtesy
@@joemama-hc4gl wtf??
Travis has 0 responsibility. It was live nation
time to drop the music bro
So much respect for the melon, best journalism in the game. I say it in a silly way, but am genuinely impressed. You're very good at what you do.
I swear there was nothing anyone could do. People were losing their minds an hr before trav came out. The weight of the crowd was painful and exhausting to push against. I was maybe 20 feet from the middle stage and 25 feet from the front of the stage, on the left side of the crowd. I can remember slowly losing my friends. Every time I looked over, 1 out of my two friends disappeared. I had to let go of their backpacks to hold their arms, then hands. Finally I rubbed my finger to let them know I needed to let go. The crowd could've broken my arm. People were surfing out a passed out body and when it reached the gate where only the camera men were, they dropped him over. just leaving him there like nothing. What else would the crowd have to do though? No one prepared us to face this nightmare. As traumatic as this event was. Eventually everyone around me ignored what was really going on. What an inhuman memory I'll have to live with and be a part of.
Damn, what a terrifying experience. Hope you and your friends will be ok.
Sounds terrifying and hopeless. I hope y'all will be okay
God Bless YOU
every brockhampton concert ive been to every couple songs, especially after the more “mosh-friendly” songs, kevin asks if everyone in the crowd is all right, that’s something i took for granted ig, it’s crazy that this happened
The most disgusting thing I've seen are fans blaming the people for entering the mosh in the first place. Obviously mosh etiquette exists, but a lot of people are saying that they ended up in the mosh against their will, pushed to the front by people behind them. No one goes into a mosh expecting to die some people have no empathy it's gross.
There was an incident that happened in Australia in 2001 that has been brought up a few times as of late. Big Day Out festival, Limp Bizkit performing, and very early on things started going wrong in the crowd. Limp Bizkit stopped the show, only after an argument with security, but it wasn't enough to stop someone from getting injured and later dying in the hospital.
After that, a lot of Australian festivals have put much better systems in place to keep moshers safe, and while there have been scares here so far nothing has happened since. But almost every time it's happened here in Australia, the performers stopped the show to help people.
I’ve been to a few pretty crazy festivals here in Australia and seccys always on point as are the festival goers, if someone’s clearly struggling they’re usually cleared away from the crowd. I wholeheartedly think Travis has no empathy for his fans and just sees them as dollar signs and items. Hope Travis loses all of these cases as he should. Fuck Travis Scott, Fuck AstroWorld and FUCK all those people that are clueless about basic human well-being. Stick to them raves my guys and girls, you’ll have more fun
It's usually pretty obvious when someone has been pushed into a pit againist their will, and in my experience people will either take them by the arm and escort them out of the pit or at the very least stand in front of them with a hand out ('stop' gesture) so it's clear they aren't participating
There should be a designated area for moshpits blocked by rails at every Rage festival/concert
if anyone really claimed this, never never attended a concert in their life
@@tgd02 that's the thing, most people claiming this are kids introduced to Travis Scott via Fortnite, they never did attend a concert in their life. Hell I've been willing to bet that for at least half of the people in Astroworld it was their first concert.
i actually really appreciate the message at the beginning of this video, anthony
Rip Chester ❤️
"When somebody falls, what do you do?!"
"Pick 'em up!"
Pick em up
Frankly, I hope Travis faces criminal charges. For him to brag about letting folks sneak in on Twitter, and to have an Instagram post boasting about letting more people in... It's UNDENIABLE that he was both complicit in this event being beyond capacity, and did far too little to stop it.
Just a tragedy all around. Depressing that this shit keeps happening decades past The Who, Pearl Jam, and Woodstock '99.
He’s to blame but cmon bro it’s not like he incited or directly caused some crazy dude going around drugging people or the trampling/stampede. He obviously should’ve stopped the show and he was stupid not to, but you can’t entirely blame him for what happened.
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 it is actually his festival so Travis and his team were the ones that planned the event. Artists like roddy rich were just paid to perform
@@kenm4390 you really think Travis actually plans his concerts? Bro he just performs to get a bag like every other rapper, he’s not involved in that shit
@@MM-jc7uv i never entirely blamed him. i said he was complicit.
there are a lot of people responsible for this tragedy, and he's absolutely one of them.
@@dylanmcmahon4902 true
the chester clip at the end! goes to show how much he cared for his fans rip to the legend and those who passed in this tragedy 🤟🏼❤️
People screaming for help like their drowning in the ocean is probably the most accurate description I've heard so far
It gives Travis lyrics “standing in the ocean “ a whole new meaning
I've been in my fair share of rowdy moshes-- Gogol Bordello, MGMT, Of Montreal, and even Crystal Castles during their prime....none of them felt out of control like this. Not even the MGMT show which was massive, outside in the middle of summer, and full of young people drinking and on drugs. Not during Gogol Bordello where they literally crowdsurfed and poured wine on people below. I still remember when my glasses flew off my face and three big burly dudes immediately formed a perimeter around me as I searched the ground to retrieve them. I've seen some videos of the Travis Scott incident and there is a lot of evidence that there were many helpful, brave individuals who cared for those around them, even as they themselves could barely move or breathe. But those people could only do so much in the face of poor planning and event security. 700 cops and 500 security guards is pathetic compared to a crowd of 75,000....there needs to be some major accountability here. People did not have to die or get hurt. At all.