And you wonder why they don't want to do interviews. So much animosity. If I had fucked up royally and had millions screaming at me I'd want to shy away from it all too.
@@brownbabydoll7912 the video is hilarious because I thought I was tripping about the ending when some of my friends and family said it ended perfectly and I was sitting around thinking maybe I just had bad taste or some sh!t 🤣
I liked how people were more interested in talking about GoTs Finale on preachers panel than preachers own final season, wich the whole panel was about.
Let's be honest here, if Dan and Dave were as invested in the series as the rest of us they would have taken the time to end it the way they started it. They were ready to get done with it I don't care what they say they were moving on.
@@quix99no hbo was very supportive of the GOT series. Thus why we have now the Shows from the SOIAF universe. Dunc and egg coming soon. George RR talked in interviews about how him n HBO would’ve loved for the show to go on for at least 10 seasons if need be. But honestly it’s for the best it was a flop anyway. I just got done w the books n they’re much better anyway bc they left out so many interesting characters or they were in the show but their role fell to the way side. It’ll b refreshing to get a much more flushed out ending.
@@quix99 Rushed what, the studio gave them an extra year for the last season, they made fewer and shorter episodes, the studio offered them to hire more writers they refused because they thought they can do it on their own, D&D themselves have expressed in interviews that they wanted to get this over with after 10 years. They already signed a deal with Disney to work on Star Wars movie(s) before even finishing season 8.
I thought so, but I talked to a shop owner and asked what he thought about everyone's resolution of Season 8, and he said "I though everyone got the fate they deserved". I had never heard something so ignorant upto that point, even if it was an opinion, that opinion was justifiably wrong
@@ridleyrage5283 Aye, apparently all the character building and redemption arc's over many seasons meant they should all now be dumbed down to complete morons (in the space of a few episodes) and do things that are now so out of character it's as if you are watching a different show altogether.
@@TalkingThrones Yeah, the ones that didnt care about the actual story, and the fact that the ending made no sense in the context of it all. The whole build up of the Night King just wrapped up lazily, Little Finger the most cunning person in Westeros outdone by what, magic? Tyrion and Varys massively dumbified, Daenerys "goes mad" in the span of two episodes just for the sake of having their "Mad Queen" ending. Similar example could be made about pretty much every character in the show. The only people that would like this are the same people that would flock to Fast and Furious (random arabic or roman number), or Marvel Something something every year, because its constant nonsense action and jokes without any meaning.
4 years on, it still feels like reopening an old painful wound when i think about the final season of GOT, particularly the last 4 episodes which felt like being put through a mincer, legs first, enduring all the pain as it grinds up your body until your head is finally crushed at the end as you watch Bran the broken become King as he apparently has the best story, the Dothraki being fine with the death of their queen & leader just bugger off back across the sea and Jon Snow go off up north on a holiday beyond the wall.....finishing on a shuffling of chairs around a table with a few jokes. Ugh!, i feel sick.
For me, it all died after the amazing episode where it's revealed Jon Snow was the little baby in the tower just born, then all the northern Lords hailing him THE KING IN THE NORTH, that was beyond epic! Then, next season, they all turn on him in like 3 episodes🤣 and that awesome actor who played Lord Manderly just disappeared...
And wtf was with “bran the broken” it just seems like a rather sad title for a king. Naming him after his disadvantage. Why not name him after his triumph and call him bran the raven? Wouldve at least not sounded so sad
Same here. It's like a beautiful romance that ended horribly. You can barely recall the good times because the end left you so bitter and every time you try to reminisce, it just brings back the pain D&D need to just take their ill-gotten gains and leave the entertainment world the hell alone instead of acting like a crazy ex that won't go away
The fact that they did not want to watch their own show says it all. The ending was not just bad it was disgusting repulsive and sickening. I would be fine if they just stayed silent.
Sorry, it's 2024 and we are still many (not haters, but regular people) who think the end has been rushed. If Benioff/Weiss were too exhausted, bored or whatever to give a proper ending they could have handed it to someone else, like Ryan Condal & Miguel Sapochnik, or anyone else that have already worked on GOT. They could have stayed as advisors. Storylines would have been properly completed and this could have been the greatest show from start to finish. But no, despite GRRM whishes they stubbornly decided to end it that way. Their call, their fault. What a waste...
@alejandroquinones2286 I don't understand, you got mad that I spoke on their character but then you continued to say for yourself that they couldn't finish the greatest show of all time??
could you imagine how absolutely PEAK the show would be if they had a cliffhanger when they ran out of material and picked it back up only when they had enough material they were really confident in
Same they rushed it because they wanted to move on to bigger payouts I refuse to invest any time with anything else they ever do just because I don’t want to be disappointed in the end
For me it's like watching an oil painting come to life while the painter is working. Just nearing the finish the artist just starts splatting paint on canvas and shows signs of boredom, neglect and disrespect. Those two are well capable of producing something decent. In that last season, they decided to write a fanfic instead that played with the emotions of the audience and actors in a disgusting way. Subversion is useful but they over used it to the point it became an excuse for laziness and cruelty.
I remember when they canceled their appearance at comicon or some other similar event that was supposed to happen the week following the series finale. That really says more than they ever could put to words.
They had checked out long before the end of the show. They were done. They didn't care. They just wanted it over and move on to other things. Ironically by not finishing what they started, they destroyed the very opportunities they wanted so badly. They screwed the fans, cast, and everyone who worked on the show and even themselves.
Yeah, it was season 5 where it all started going downhill ... but I don't think they checked out, they ran out of book material and we really saw what they were capable of .....
As a hardcore book fan, they really started out great. The minute George was not in the mix the story fell flat. They know it and we know it. They blew it. Very disappointing. The latter half very much felt rushed and I wish they would’ve just let other people step in to finish the series out. They were clearly over it.
The fact that they did not want to watch their own show says it all… 😂what a joke of an ending. They were so ashamed they couldn’t even watch something they made. If it was anyone else and they made a great ending to a series, they would be so proud and would want to watch it over and over again
youre correct. ive been a chef for 12 years.. and theres a reason why the cooks always taste something. (people can see this in Gordon Ramsey shows) "a chef should always be willing to eat his own work". the dish washer, should be able to eat off his own plates (if they are truly clean). the server, should know the silverware is so clean, they'd use it themselves. and the chef should be able to taste his own dish. if d&d wouldn't "eat" that SLOP.... why "serve' it to us??
I didn’t know they’d said at the start they’d only do 7 series. Knowing that, I’d say HBO should have begun plans for replacing them, around the 4th season, so others could give their series time to develop the characters to reach the end in a more believable fashion.
@@stigkenobi7525 I distinctively remembered everyone was enjoying season 8 right up until the last 2 episodes, all the episodes were averaging 9+ on imbd. Then all of a sudden people retroactively decided the whole season sucked. I just thought it was odd, it's like people thought "oh wait I wasn't supposed to like that?" It seemed like the majority of people couldn't form their own opinions.
Their egotistical over entitled and arrogant ways annihilated a very rich story created by a supremely talented author. I’ll never watch anything by them again. The ending was not just bad it was disgusting repulsive and sickening. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Why?... They put so much work into foreshadowing and slowly showing that Daenerys was a conquer not a ruler, an girl who was easily lead by her emotions and over time becoming less forgiving and less caring about those she saw as enemies. So when her best friend was murdered and she snapped n burned it all down it made perfect sense... Not my fault you completely missed it
@@connorp8408 That's not an example fo foreshadowing, and the point your making is that it's random as if all over a friend when it's about fear. Dany has been trumped by Jon Snow and she doesn't feel powerful and confident enough to rule with Jon still around and the rightful heir, that builds up to her one upping him in a way he never would which is torching the kingdom.
You either don't know what those words mean and felt saying "selfish" (also wrong) wasn't dramatic enough. You have the ego problem here pal with your false entitlement of being a GOT fan of great media means if you don't get what you want you feel disrespected like an insecure infant and cry in hopes people show them disrespect. You should be ashamed that these 2 writers that worsened the show while putting more work and care that you would be able to stomach under their position. Writers need confidence, and "fans" like you are the problem that think ur expectation are more important to them then their idea of a good ending.
@@UrialTheDarkOneIt still could've been done a hell of a lot better. The last 2 seasons were so disjointed and incongruent compared to the near-perfection of the previous seasons.
The last seasons DO have an impact when watching the first 4 seasons. Watching characters like Bran and Jaime have a very different feeling when knowing how bad things will end, watching Tyrion as his peak has a sort of nostalgic feeling now, the White Walkers now feel so unintimidating for some reason... That's my experience rewatching it
Dragon glass and valyrian steel is still lethal to white walkers in the books too, so it's kind of hard to make them seem more intimidating when by design they're very fragile.
Unfortunately, George Martin wanted 13+ Seasons, and David and Dan kept their desire to finish in 7 Seasons secret from George when they got him to support them and from HBO until after the show was a runaway hit and they had the power. That’s when they revealed they wanted a show half as long as the actual author and much shorter than HBO! The fact that they now say they always wanted a show half as long as the book author wanted really shows what liars and frauds they have always been, from the outset of this project they wrecked.
Hot take but George STILL hasnt finished Winds so there was absolutely no way they would have successfully ended that show. It was only good when they were adapting George's books and they were initially under the impression George was going to catch back up to them in season 5.
@@Mcherrihe didn’t say who would die he said some of the characters that you see in the end die in the show will still be alive. He might still follow his original outline and have her live but if she dies then it won’t be like Jon killing her it would be her possibly sacrificing herself to bring the dawn
One thing is the final of got being not good. I wouldnt complain. Another thing is the final of got being the worst piece of work ever made in the history of the tv shows
I know your comment’s 6 months old but I disagree. D&D were freeballing it for seasons 6 and 7 and, while those seasons were worse than 1-4, they were still pretty solid. All they had to do was give people the predictable ending, the one the series had been building towards (e.g. all of Westeros is forced to set aside their power struggle and rally against the Night King, Jon saves the day against the Night Walkers in the last episode as prophesied, Daenerys becomes queen, Jaime Lannister redeems himself at some point, Cersei refuses to join forces against the Night King and is killed by Jaimie or Arya, Bran aids the fight by warging or by bringing some sort of supernatural aid from the North, Tyrion does something brilliant to protect Jon/Danerys and beat the Night Walkers, etc.). It wouldn’t have been a masterpiece, like I’m sure George RR Martin’s actual ending will (EVENTUALLY) be, but it would have gotten the job done and given the fans what they needed: catharsis and closure.
I don't care what they say, I will never watch any show they create again. They destroyed what should have been an epic show. I don't think they should have been given the chance to do anything else and they should have been thrown out if Hollywood.
@@thee_morpheusThey're quite literally some of the worst writers in history of television, the instant they ran out of source material it was obvious. They should go write youtube stories instead of anything that's over an hour. Clowns.
the problem with game of thrones started with season 5, but too many people didn't care because most people's favourite character was dany and that was one of the only characters who actually had effort put into them. as soon as dany was "ruined" everyone went in an uproar but imo if they had dragged out the arc they wanted with her it could have made sense and been good to watch. the dialogue from the first 4 seasons had elegance and immersive beauty to it. season 5s was ok but fast forward to season 6, 7, 8 they all start sounding like they are from the 21st century with the modernised dialogue. a quick google search will show each season had a decline of dialogue from the books and this is 100% a big factor as to why the show had declined so fast, stick to the bloody source material why do people never understand this. in the later seasons they also focused too much on dany jon and tyrion which i know george himself has said are his "main characters" but again looking at the older seasons, there was so many times minor characters got massive parts and it really helped to sell how big the world of westeros was. i dont want type too much more as most people arent going to even bother to read this but, the fast travelling was ridiculous, it took ned and robert three episodes to get from winterfell to kingslanding and during those episodes we had amazing worldbuilding whereas in season 7 we get a 5 minute clip of jon and dany on a boat going back to winterfell from the wall... i could go on about so many more things but i'm just gonna leave it as i look like a crybaby moaning over Game of Thrones but when you are as passionate as i was, its annoying to see it wasted, now we just got to pray George will finish his books (he deffo wont).
No matter what they say it is not good enough! They rushed it, they should be honest and stand with their decisions. Smh all this did was made me angry all over again lol
they both are disgrace . no respect for the fans over the years . we waited two years for the final season , they delivered two hours of story writing 🤦
They ruined the story. They ruined the prince that was promised, son of Raygar Tygarian and Ned starks sister...they ruined all of it. They ruined the Night Kings threat and made his defeat be a result of girl power. They just threw a lot of characters under the bus, Danny being a chief offender, going mad with power and death with no development leading into such a change. So no, they don't deserve to be welcome among GOT fans.
Indeed, Danny went mad due to overly tight hair braids and the sound of bells - so mad she had to burn every man woman and child to death for a good hour or so., going up and down the streets like pac-man....but once she got that out of her system along with a bit of a Hitler speech - she was right as rain and all lovey dovey with Jon, well, until he stuck a knife in her - of which Drogon was so annoyed with that he had to burn the pointy metal chair. As for the Night King, i dunno what happened there as i couldn't bloody see anything.
@@blower1 I recently tried to re-watch the big battle, where the Night Kings gets it, with a very good torrent file on my new Samsung 50" UHD monitor. Gave up before the end because I still couldn't see anything.
@@JCO2002 I watched it again on HBO after they said they had fixed it, and I got to hand it to them, they actually made it possible to see what was going on. It wasn't daytime by any means, but it was alot better than when they released it at the start. The episode was horrible though, they still didn't fix that.
My heart dropped when i realized they were behind the three body problem. I was already skeptical of a live action series of the books because they are pretty crazy but i was super excited to see it but now I'm just and worried they will ruin another awesome story.
Exactly how I felt when I starting watching Apple TV’s Invasion. The first couple of episodes felt so mediocre in quality that it had me questioning the show runner in charge. Then I found out the show runner in charge was Simon Kinberg (a storyteller so “NOT” nice that he ruined the X-Men Phoenix story TWICE. Let’s just say that Invasion series remains unfinished viewing by me til this day.
Are they blaming fans for their high expectations? No. It was lazy writing, characters' murdering, and just plain hopelessness. Everything aside, I just couldn't understand how the Night King, mystified and glorified from season one episode one , could end up by a simple stab. It was a built-up through years and years - then it plunges off a cliff. How could the showrunners excuse themselves?
And just today it was revealed in House of the Dragons that Daemon gives up his ambition at once, seeing the White Walkers in his vision. The Night King frightened kings and subjects hundreds of years before the events of got.
@@WWESVRGAMER Weren't nightwalkers introduce in first episode? Who do you think was leading nightwatchers then? Nobody? Winter is coming was foreshadowed from day 1 shot 1. Now we are or were all supporters of a previously good tv show. Liking or not liking is a personal choice. It doesn't have to go to accusing others of "lying", So how are you liking their final season? You can name some of DnD's strong scripting or directions here.
Its actually very sad that the ending was so bad, I can’t even go back to rewatch the show because I just remember how bad the ending is and don’t want to waste my time.
The oversimplification of that article illustrates the purpose. They are mitigating the damage and the extremely lazy writing in season five through eight, and reducing the fans concerns to just season eight. This is done in advance of promoting the new show. They’re hoping that this will serve as an apology when it isn’t one. The moment Dan and Dave were left to their own devices without any source material their egos Did the writing for them. They need to apologize to the fan base and need to acknowledge that they got lazy and bored. That’s the simple truth of it. If they don’t come out and apologize prior to this new show coming out, they’re in for a big surprise and likely, this will be the last show they ever write. Another thing that needs to be pointed out is while this was the most celebrated TV show in history, it is also a phenomenal reversal to the laziest and poorly written (arguably last 4 seasons) of any popular show in history.
@@DocBree13 Yeah. I've been waiting for a while now for 3 Body Problem to get an adaption only to find out the writers are the ones who ruined GoT. I really hope they don't Intentionally walk towards a tree with this one at least.
I think it's completely understandable that they would lose their passion especially when they ran out of material and had the immense pressure of writing their own material to continue the show, but they should have passed it onto someone else instead of rushing it.
Any writer in HW would have jumped to work on GOT if Dan and Dave stepped away. They literally could have gotten the best writers in town to eat the last few seasons and leave no crumbs. Mazin. Ron Moore. Espensen. It could have been LEGENDARY.
It wasn't the actual outcomes that I disliked, it was the story(or lack there of) that got us there in such a short time while literally shitting on some prominent character arcs. Plot armor was their best friend to make season 7 and 8 happen. Some could even argue it started earlier. And they're not missing anything with HotD.
What they did with Tyrion and Varys' characters should be considered a crime. Took the two most interesting and thought provoking characters of the entire story and made them a sad afterthought.
@@horvathsogranfume658 You're not, I actually enjoyed Troy. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was entertaining. But it was nowhere near the level of writing of GOT.
I still have not read the books, but the last 2 seasons felt pitiful, even to me. I rewatch it all a couple of times a year & still come away thinking what a tragedy to not do justice to the build-up of the previous seasons. It's like watching & appreciating the majesty of a beautiful, gushing waterfall suddenly begin to slow & become a drip until there's nothing. You just feel thristy all the time. I will eventually read the books, I do have them. Just not yet.
Years ago, I would have recommended reading the books, because they are fantastic. However, book 5 is full of cliffhangers. We want George to finish but he has worked on numerous other projects over the last decade while he lives under the delusion that he will live forever, or we delude ourselves into believing he has not lost interest.
@michaelbayer5094 I think maybe he's hung up on trying to find a way to reconcile the books to the show. As if what D&D did has now become canon instead of the opposite. When I started watching, it was already season 4, so I could binge it. I knew I could treat the books & show as separate stories & not get hung up on the show not matching the books. But D&D went so far off the trail before taking the big dump that reconciling is impossible & I think GRRM can't get the show story out of his head in order to complete the real story.
@@kennan200 I don't think the show and books can be reconciled. The show and the books are almost exactly the same at least thru season 4, with minor exceptions, but the last 2 seasons are way ahead of the books (and without the source material, it sucks). I don't want to spoil the books for you, but except for Bran (still North of the Wall), Arya (in Braavos) and Cercei (ruling badly in KL), every major character is somewhat different or are doing something different from what is seen on the show. Plus, the books haveTargaryens, Martells, and Greyjoys that are not even in the show.
@michaelbayer5094 I agree. I think the last 2 seasons just wrecked his thinking & he's stuck thinking there has to be a way to make it happen & there just isn't. He needs to dump all the D&D insanity & stick to his original Game plan. Let the show be what it is & just keep on with his own universe.
It's tragic that they can't celebrate such a feat of television. I agree with you that the first four seasons are absolute gold and the ending did not cause me to view the entire series negatively. They could rectify some of this if they got on board with other writers to do a sequel, which I thought SNOW was going to be.
Nothing they say addresses their disrespect for the fans, the talent and crew, and the story itself. If they were confident that they had done the best they could, they would have met with the fans and taken their lumps.
So very true they are coward's an still haven't said anything about the show,fans,the actors an crew especially the actors who's story's an character arch they ruined this has just been about them an this new show
To quote Stannis, "The good doesn't wash away the bad, nor the bad the good". The final 2 seasons don't cancel out the 6 great seasons before them. Nor do the 6 good seasons absolve the 2 horrid ones. We can enjoy the good times and critique the bad. GoT is still my favorite show of all time and that's unlikely to change anytime soon.
Dan and Dave did absolutely brilliant work when they had someone else’s outline of the story and has someone else write the dialogue. As soon as those 2 items fell upon their plate it was all down hill from there. They’re good at bringing other peoples ideas and words to life. Just not their own.
it is pretty bunk to take all the accolades and take none of the hits... but I agree with you that the last season has not diminished my love for the show over all, not at all. There were just so many great moments. Even the last season had that one amazing episode where everyone got together before the battle of winterfell, it felt like a "goodbye" episode to characters we loved for years.. and then poof, no one really dies ... yech....
@@tylerchapman9234I liked how the mindless giant zombie killing machine decided to take time out of his mindless killing to pick up a little girl and bring her into sword range of his eye. And despite all the other eye-less zombies and eye-less animated skeletons somehow being able to 'see', the giant getting stabbed in the eye ends him
Season one where Robert and Cersei talk about how long hate could keep a kingdom together. That was so well written, I consider it canon even though George did not write it.
They fail to realize this was their lifetime achievement. They brought the world together throw years of character investments. Hell, half of us still talked about Ned all the way through even though he was in one season. They failed themselves and the world.
I do blame hbo partially because of they said they didn’t want to do it anymore, then they should’ve hired different writers or let George make decision and take the blame. But either way they still fucked up everybody 2 year wait expectations with things that should’ve have happened.
@@garywarburton3124 because hbo wanted more seasons. I’m saying if the writers didn’t want to do more seasons or and chose to not write a good final season, then hbo should of hired new writers.
Exactly the problem was the higher ups they got greedy and I’m sure D&D had an ending that would’ve please everyone but they had to change the whole thing to fit over night cause greed from HBO
@@krow5099 idk bout that because all the choices the made didn’t line at all with the story progress of the first seven seasons. I mean Jon not even fighting the night king for example.
@@blursithflow9442 well that’s what it is greed, D&D do have bosses. Now the Night King not fighting at all made no sense but see they wanted 75 and HBO got greedy and pretty much almost wrote a blank check to D&D to get them to stay. So whatever D&D had that could’ve wrapped it up neatly got pushed out the window also aren’t y’all forgetting that HBO is famous AF for screwing up there endings to shows I mean sapranos anyone??? I suggest y’all read the book HBO TenderBox from James Andrew Miller and it explains how HBO messed up there own IP as well.
They didn't give GOT the time and love at the end it deserved. After hearing the explanation in this video, I feel they should of done a way better job. If they don't give 2 shits about GOT and the fans then yeah they shouldn't ever be involved. Watching it with my wife for her first time, experiencing her emotional highs and lows during the series was awesome. But then seeing reaction at the end when she said "that's it? This is how it ends?" The fans deserve better.
Part of me wants to give them a pass because we wouldn’t have even had a show if it weren’t for them... but damn. There really just is no excuse for how bad the final season was. I don’t even care what reasons they might have. Unforgivable.
also kind of annoyed me that they just threw away the Dothraki army into 100k white walkers for no reason. coulda at least used them to flank. not that it matters since one stab ended the army anyway
I just finished 3 Body Problem and was blown away! I had no idea they were behind it! 🤯 i guess everyone can make a comeback, the show is really well done
I’m gonna be diplomatic and allow them the opportunity to demonstrate they’ve learned from their mistakes. Many ppl were angry after Lost, then Damon Lindeloff returned with The Leftovers, clearly taking fan feedback onboard and becoming a better showrunner as a result.
@@goatman9998people were mad after lost bc they couldn’t comprehend that they weren’t dead the entire time. People today still think the entire show was meaningless because they were dead… I don’t know how people can’t comprehend that they weren’t dead, but sadly it’s the case.
@@goatman9998 partly what @melosivitch said. Although there was also frustration about too many mysteries being left unexplained (something of a Lindeloff trope which the ending of Leftovers addresses) and a general belief that the writers were just making it all up as they went along, despite evidence to the contrary.
@@mutantdog. this too. I still believe a lot of the “unexplained” actually did have explanations, they just weren’t spoonfed and took a bit of critical thinking. However, there were some things that were never fully resolved so I can see some criticism there. But not enough to generate the hatred for the ending I still see online to this day
The problem with these clowns is, people already told them what was wrong and they went ahead with it anyway. Actors told them, fans told them. They did not listen. They are unforgivable charlatans.
I have no interest in watching their new show. They cannot face the fans or the guilt and shame because they knew what they did was wrong when they wrote that ending then I have no business giving my investment in energy to their new show.
If D&D had taken time to wrap GoT up with 2 or even one more season, with 8 episodes to each season, they could have made the greatest show of all time have the greatest ending of all time too.
That was a rough year, GoT season 8 and Star Wars Episode IX TRoS. Disappointing beyond what we thought was possible, and yes they do taint the whole of those franchises. It's like trying to reminisce and appreciate the good old times you had with your ex before they left you for your best friend.
I have a 60lb English Bulldog named Spartacus. Every time he takes a dump and I grab his giant turds up with a poop bag it makes me think of seasons 5-8 of GOT.
I'm late to the party, but why build up the white walkers the whole series just to eliminate them in 1 episode. That should have been 4-5 episodes , or even a whole season. The again I didn't read the books so I'm not certain on the source material
Hearing the intro with Petyr Baelish makes me yearn to see characters just as cunning on HoTD. I know that I never will. I might be in the minority, but, I don't want to hear them justify anything. Stand on what you wrote! I can't stand back peddling.
They have to address it. They know it, and more importantly, Netflix knows it, which happens to be the company that is producing D and D’s next project :Three Body Problem. It would be powerful If they owned-up to screwing up. It would help begin the process of re-gaining credibility with fans. But it’s looking like their egos wont let them do that.
They went into hiding thinking or hoping the fans will forget but didn't understand just how patient the fans were for them to get their heads back out so the roasting can begin again because a catastrophe like that can't. be. forgotten.
Typical "new" Hollywood mentality. I miss old skool showrunners that actually cared about the legacy and projects they left behind. I miss accountability.
I never watched an episode of the show but from the story around the production, I wonder why they are blamed so much. They where promised books by the author who just stopped delivering. They never signed up to become fan fic writers but merely to adapt the books to television. From what I gather, they where great at the job they actually signed up for and failed at the job they where forced into. Why are they held to much higher standards than Martin himself. If not even he can finish the story, how are they expected to accomplish it satisfactorily? At least they tried.
I am not even going to watch what they said, nothing can fix what they did but i admire the fact that season 8 was indeed shocking. It killed the story, it killed the fans mentaly and emotionaly in a way that even after all these years i get sick when i think about the last season and this is something only got can do. Also it has reduced the rewatch quality to zero, if really nothing has a satisfying ending whats the point
There's no doubt that these two have forever changed our lives. I am not satisfied with this interview. Eventually, they will need to explain their selves. Will that day ever come? I don't think so. GOT fans will be like the north... The North remembers. We won't forget what was done, but we won't get answers either.
GoT was a cultural landmark and some of the best television ever made for six seasons. Massacring it like D&D did wasn’t just bad writing, it was an artistic sin. Doing what they did gets them arrested for crimes against the medium of television.
I wouldn't say the first 4 seasons. I'd go as far as to say the first 7 seasons were the greatest show I've ever watched. I know a lot of people disliked season 7 as well but I actually thought it was one of the better seasons and got me so pumped for the finale. A perfect cliff hanger. I literally said at the premier of season 8 "Just don't put Bran on the throne and I'll be happy" but I couldn't have been more wrong. Not only did they put him on the throne which made absolutely no sense, but the entire character development (for several characters) over the first 7 seasons just went out the window in the writing. Dreadful season.
Apparently, they wrote almost 3/4 of the episodes from the first 4 seasons, but I mean, if you're just adapting material that's already been written in a book, the shittiness of your writing isn't always gonna show until you have to come up with your own content, hence seasons 6 to 8 being awful.
The last 2 seasons felt sloppy, rushed and just lost its heart. They are talented show runners when their heart is in it, but when it's not it really shows. They need to redeem themselves with what they did to one of the best shows ever in GOT.
D&D were good at adapting and in a few instances actually improving upon the source material from the novels. the two weren’t up to the task of filling in the blank when they had nothing but outlines to work with for the final seasons. D&D did not make things easy for themselves, they could’ve hired a writing staff and they could’ve given themselves more time to do it right. they built up TV Daenerys to much as a heroine and feminist symbol for viewers to accept her “heel” turn as a natural progression, allot of the more glaring red flags and atrocities Daenerys committed in the novels were lost in adaptation.
They were never good at adapting. They were always more interested in showing off actors than the story. Even when the show was good they made several unnecessary changes. Remember Ross? Or how they butchered the House of the Undying, one of the best scenes in the books? Furthermore, the show didn't get bad because they ran out of books. That's a myth! They still had two more books when they decided to abandon the plot. That's at least two seasons. It could be as many as four if they did what they did with A Storm of Swords. The Winds of Winter would definitely be out by now if they took their time and actually listened to George. As it is he didn't really start to write until 2019. What he wrote before then was miniscule at best. My theory is that he fell into a depression because of how the show was handled. When you're depressed it's really hard to muster up the energy to write a book.
@@Aewon84they appeared to be good at adapting in terms of the first 4 seasons probably because Martin was still the shadow scriptwriter during that period.
What is annoyed is how hbo was ready to extend the show for a few more seasons to give the show for a proper ending but dan and dave refused. They also refused go pass on the project to other creators coz they still the wanted the fame associated with the show esp when it was ending. Pur greed and narcissism
Seasons 7 and 8 definitely looked and felt rushed and disconnected from earlier seasons. It really doesn’t matter what Dan and Dave say, they rushed it and wanted move on. It doesn’t matter what I think if they should be welcomed back into the Fandom. I’m just the fan and viewer. To me it’s just disappointing how two guys with little to no experience in writing, directing and even producing a Fantasy Epic such as this raze it to the ground.
What bothers me more is GRRM not having finished the series. Like is Season 8 the last book then ? And some people say he was the next Tolkien. No Tolkien finished his series.
One rushed thing I think could’ve worked out, is killing the Night King early. Imagine this: Everything plays out nearly the same, and the NK dies… the Whites explode too or whatever and the wights all stop and collapse. Everyone takes a sigh of relief and starts to cheer and relax mentally and as everyone celebrates a blood curdling scream cuts through the celebration. Everyone stops as the sound of screaming grows and they look around… the Wights are all getting back up! Bodies rise with their eyes no longer glowing and they start attacking again… more feral and aimlessly. The horrific reality sets in… all they did was take out the command and now they have a massive feral army of undead with no direction or guidance. The Night King at least kept them in line, he had plans that could be understood… now it’s just chaos as the magic lingers keeping the army undead. The fight is far from over as people continue to die and they’re forced to retreat south and flee from the army of frozen undead. The magic now out of control and making those that die turn and come back, and random bursts of cold, small snow storms and cold death follow this wave of death. It’s as if the concept of death in winter has been given form and Winter is Coming. Perhaps the Night King drew his strength from the Wights and not the other way around?! Maybe they had it wrong… maybe the Night King was keeping this chaos under control and now it’s just indiscriminate frozen death. A small time jump ahead shows Westeros a few months later, most of the north is completely lost and Winter is moving south at a steady pace and the only thing holding the line are dragons and wildfire… Both sides have political machinations and motivations while Jon just tries to keep the world from falling apart, leading the defense from the back of a dragon while the surviving population continues to move south. It could’ve been epic… a true long night… but no. We got one literal night… maybe half a night. Ughhh.
They had a HUGE responsibility with the ending. They couldn't please everyone. Give them a break. They made the decision and didnt shy away in executing it.
I’m glad you acknowledged how good the first four seasons were. It was amazing TV. Many of thise commenting will never get to live out our dreams with the success these two saw. Flowers for that alone.
I wasn't offended by the end of GoT. Then again, I wasn't offended by the last three Star Wars films. I wasn't a superfan of either series, so I was cool with it. On the other hand, I came unglued with how they ended Dexter and The Black List. (I can't talk about the latter) So, I get you. ❤
Honestly I feel that Dan and Dave didn't really care about how it ended as long as it ended. Fans be damned.
I have the same impression.
And you wonder why they don't want to do interviews. So much animosity. If I had fucked up royally and had millions screaming at me I'd want to shy away from it all too.
@@emilys4281 I thinks fans would feel better if they owned the mistake. But they appear not to care.
i doubt they would be succesfull anymore on movies . the dark stains will remains 🤭 . they dissapointed the fans , big big mistakes
I’m amazed that they are still alive btw. The angered so many people I would have bet on more than a few taking a blood oath for vengeance. 🤣
I liked how Seth Rogen called out these two for canceling their appearance at Comic Con 2019 after all the backlash. He said what we all felt.
What did he say?
@@stormtempest7555 there's a video, it's googleable. Lots of burns!
@@stormtempest7555 something about them 2 being too chicken to show up at world con to answer questions.
@@brownbabydoll7912 the video is hilarious because I thought I was tripping about the ending when some of my friends and family said it ended perfectly and I was sitting around thinking maybe I just had bad taste or some sh!t 🤣
I liked how people were more interested in talking about GoTs Finale on preachers panel than preachers own final season, wich the whole panel was about.
Let's be honest here, if Dan and Dave were as invested in the series as the rest of us they would have taken the time to end it the way they started it. They were ready to get done with it I don't care what they say they were moving on.
Completely agree
Ever think the studio pushed them too hard and they rushed?
@@quix99no hbo was very supportive of the GOT series. Thus why we have now the Shows from the SOIAF universe. Dunc and egg coming soon. George RR talked in interviews about how him n HBO would’ve loved for the show to go on for at least 10 seasons if need be. But honestly it’s for the best it was a flop anyway. I just got done w the books n they’re much better anyway bc they left out so many interesting characters or they were in the show but their role fell to the way side. It’ll b refreshing to get a much more flushed out ending.
@@quix99 Rushed what, the studio gave them an extra year for the last season, they made fewer and shorter episodes, the studio offered them to hire more writers they refused because they thought they can do it on their own, D&D themselves have expressed in interviews that they wanted to get this over with after 10 years. They already signed a deal with Disney to work on Star Wars movie(s) before even finishing season 8.
Exactly!! They were not invested. They just wanted to hurry up and get the show over with so that they could start working on Star Wars.
"We always cared about our fans"
Over, and over, until we forget that it’s a lie
well they kinda forgot about the fans
They are good parents, that dont spoil their children like you expected them to.
It wasn't divisive.
It was a catastrophe and everyone knows it.
I thought so, but I talked to a shop owner and asked what he thought about everyone's resolution of Season 8, and he said "I though everyone got the fate they deserved". I had never heard something so ignorant upto that point, even if it was an opinion, that opinion was justifiably wrong
@@ridleyrage5283 Aye, apparently all the character building and redemption arc's over many seasons meant they should all now be dumbed down to complete morons (in the space of a few episodes) and do things that are now so out of character it's as if you are watching a different show altogether.
Fair play, although, there are tons of people who loved it.
@@TalkingThrones The ones who didn't read the books.
@@TalkingThrones Yeah, the ones that didnt care about the actual story, and the fact that the ending made no sense in the context of it all. The whole build up of the Night King just wrapped up lazily, Little Finger the most cunning person in Westeros outdone by what, magic? Tyrion and Varys massively dumbified, Daenerys "goes mad" in the span of two episodes just for the sake of having their "Mad Queen" ending. Similar example could be made about pretty much every character in the show.
The only people that would like this are the same people that would flock to Fast and Furious (random arabic or roman number), or Marvel Something something every year, because its constant nonsense action and jokes without any meaning.
I still grieve for the show all these years later and so wish the ending hadn’t been rushed and gone on at least another two seasons
It didn't. You rushed your judgement idiot.
I didn’t even want to watch House of the Dragon. I was like why? So I can get heartbroken again?
At least HotD i like it.
I'm not watching hotd @@alexandrostheodorou8387
4 years on, it still feels like reopening an old painful wound when i think about the final season of GOT, particularly the last 4 episodes which felt like being put through a mincer, legs first, enduring all the pain as it grinds up your body until your head is finally crushed at the end as you watch Bran the broken become King as he apparently has the best story, the Dothraki being fine with the death of their queen & leader just bugger off back across the sea and Jon Snow go off up north on a holiday beyond the wall.....finishing on a shuffling of chairs around a table with a few jokes.
Ugh!, i feel sick.
For me, it all died after the amazing episode where it's revealed Jon Snow was the little baby in the tower just born, then all the northern Lords hailing him THE KING IN THE NORTH, that was beyond epic! Then, next season, they all turn on him in like 3 episodes🤣 and that awesome actor who played Lord Manderly just disappeared...
The chair shuffling!! Not the chair shuffling 😭
And wtf was with “bran the broken” it just seems like a rather sad title for a king. Naming him after his disadvantage. Why not name him after his triumph and call him bran the raven? Wouldve at least not sounded so sad
Same here.
It's like a beautiful romance that ended horribly. You can barely recall the good times because the end left you so bitter and every time you try to reminisce, it just brings back the pain
D&D need to just take their ill-gotten gains and leave the entertainment world the hell alone instead of acting like a crazy ex that won't go away
i didnt mind it but thats just me fr
The fact that they did not want to watch their own show says it all. The ending was not just bad it was disgusting repulsive and sickening. I would be fine if they just stayed silent.
Sorry, it's 2024 and we are still many (not haters, but regular people) who think the end has been rushed. If Benioff/Weiss were too exhausted, bored or whatever to give a proper ending they could have handed it to someone else, like Ryan Condal & Miguel Sapochnik, or anyone else that have already worked on GOT. They could have stayed as advisors. Storylines would have been properly completed and this could have been the greatest show from start to finish. But no, despite GRRM whishes they stubbornly decided to end it that way. Their call, their fault. What a waste...
Exactly! I think it's pretty selfish considering all the facts
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Hear, hear
@@Father_Daniel Keep coping, but insulting their character cuz they couldn't conclude the most hyped television series of oat?
@alejandroquinones2286 I don't understand, you got mad that I spoke on their character but then you continued to say for yourself that they couldn't finish the greatest show of all time??
could you imagine how absolutely PEAK the show would be if they had a cliffhanger when they ran out of material and picked it back up only when they had enough material they were really confident in
THIS WAS THE MOVE.
I would be fine if they just stayed silent.
Bro! Exactly
Forever
100%
Yep, they can just go F off and watch the new crappy ruined star wars franchise that they were rushing GOT out the way for.
Same they rushed it because they wanted to move on to bigger payouts I refuse to invest any time with anything else they ever do just because I don’t want to be disappointed in the end
For me it's like watching an oil painting come to life while the painter is working. Just nearing the finish the artist just starts splatting paint on canvas and shows signs of boredom, neglect and disrespect. Those two are well capable of producing something decent. In that last season, they decided to write a fanfic instead that played with the emotions of the audience and actors in a disgusting way. Subversion is useful but they over used it to the point it became an excuse for laziness and cruelty.
I feel more like the painter starts sh*ting on the painting 😅
More like the painter pulls down his pants and leaves a big diarrhea splash on it
Of course they distanced themselves because they knew that last season was TRASH!!
The last few seasons slowly went downhill until the show fell off the cliff in the last season.
They know toxic haters are trash.
I remember when they canceled their appearance at comicon or some other similar event that was supposed to happen the week following the series finale. That really says more than they ever could put to words.
Yea the last comic con was a bit sad. Not many actors showed up either.
They had checked out long before the end of the show. They were done. They didn't care. They just wanted it over and move on to other things. Ironically by not finishing what they started, they destroyed the very opportunities they wanted so badly. They screwed the fans, cast, and everyone who worked on the show and even themselves.
Well said.
very much so and thus they deserve all the hate many times over
Yeah, it was season 5 where it all started going downhill ... but I don't think they checked out, they ran out of book material and we really saw what they were capable of .....
@@johnh1353 They barely adapted AFFC or ADWD. They dumbed it down so casual fans could like it, and not the original core audience of the show.
5:44 they (D&D)betted on themselves and lost their careers for doing that.
As a hardcore book fan, they really started out great. The minute George was not in the mix the story fell flat. They know it and we know it.
They blew it. Very disappointing. The latter half very much felt rushed and I wish they would’ve just let other people step in to finish the series out. They were clearly over it.
The fact that they did not want to watch their own show says it all… 😂what a joke of an ending. They were so ashamed they couldn’t even watch something they made. If it was anyone else and they made a great ending to a series, they would be so proud and would want to watch it over and over again
youre correct. ive been a chef for 12 years.. and theres a reason why the cooks always taste something. (people can see this in Gordon Ramsey shows) "a chef should always be willing to eat his own work".
the dish washer, should be able to eat off his own plates (if they are truly clean). the server, should know the silverware is so clean, they'd use it themselves. and the chef should be able to taste his own dish.
if d&d wouldn't "eat" that SLOP.... why "serve' it to us??
Who tf doesn't watch their own work to make sure it's not garbage?
its like making an assignment you dredd and refusing to proof read it
Johnny depp doesn’t watch his own movies
Are you friends with him
I didn’t know they’d said at the start they’d only do 7 series. Knowing that, I’d say HBO should have begun plans for replacing them, around the 4th season, so others could give their series time to develop the characters to reach the end in a more believable fashion.
It's not shocker fans reacted that way, People lived and breathed that show
It WAS the greatest show on TV, for the time it ran
Very true
Real fans called out the bad writing from season 5 and onwards. Clowns cheered it on, and cried when season 8 happened.
@@stigkenobi7525 I distinctively remembered everyone was enjoying season 8 right up until the last 2 episodes, all the episodes were averaging 9+ on imbd. Then all of a sudden people retroactively decided the whole season sucked. I just thought it was odd, it's like people thought "oh wait I wasn't supposed to like that?" It seemed like the majority of people couldn't form their own opinions.
They knew it was not good. The cast hated it and weren't afraid to say it.
Their egotistical over entitled and arrogant ways annihilated a very rich story created by a supremely talented author. I’ll never watch anything by them again. The ending was not just bad it was disgusting repulsive and sickening. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Why?...
They put so much work into foreshadowing and slowly showing that Daenerys was a conquer not a ruler, an girl who was easily lead by her emotions and over time becoming less forgiving and less caring about those she saw as enemies. So when her best friend was murdered and she snapped n burned it all down it made perfect sense...
Not my fault you completely missed it
@@UrialTheDarkOne"I will not be queen of the ashes".... Loses her friend, burns a city full of innocents.
@@connorp8408 That's not an example fo foreshadowing, and the point your making is that it's random as if all over a friend when it's about fear. Dany has been trumped by Jon Snow and she doesn't feel powerful and confident enough to rule with Jon still around and the rightful heir, that builds up to her one upping him in a way he never would which is torching the kingdom.
You either don't know what those words mean and felt saying "selfish" (also wrong) wasn't dramatic enough. You have the ego problem here pal with your false entitlement of being a GOT fan of great media means if you don't get what you want you feel disrespected like an insecure infant and cry in hopes people show them disrespect. You should be ashamed that these 2 writers that worsened the show while putting more work and care that you would be able to stomach under their position. Writers need confidence, and "fans" like you are the problem that think ur expectation are more important to them then their idea of a good ending.
@@UrialTheDarkOneIt still could've been done a hell of a lot better. The last 2 seasons were so disjointed and incongruent compared to the near-perfection of the previous seasons.
The last seasons DO have an impact when watching the first 4 seasons.
Watching characters like Bran and Jaime have a very different feeling when knowing how bad things will end, watching Tyrion as his peak has a sort of nostalgic feeling now, the White Walkers now feel so unintimidating for some reason... That's my experience rewatching it
Dragon glass and valyrian steel is still lethal to white walkers in the books too, so it's kind of hard to make them seem more intimidating when by design they're very fragile.
Unfortunately, George Martin wanted 13+ Seasons, and David and Dan kept their desire to finish in 7 Seasons secret from George when they got him to support them and from HBO until after the show was a runaway hit and they had the power. That’s when they revealed they wanted a show half as long as the actual author and much shorter than HBO!
The fact that they now say they always wanted a show half as long as the book author wanted really shows what liars and frauds they have always been, from the outset of this project they wrecked.
It was their first show. Who the hell did they think they were to try to put a 7 season target?
George Martin wanted 13+ seasons. Fans wanted Winds of Winter.
Hot take but George STILL hasnt finished Winds so there was absolutely no way they would have successfully ended that show. It was only good when they were adapting George's books and they were initially under the impression George was going to catch back up to them in season 5.
I think GRRM said Danny would still die in his book I mean not in the way D&D did it but still also if Jon is still going to be in the story or not.
@@Mcherrihe didn’t say who would die he said some of the characters that you see in the end die in the show will still be alive. He might still follow his original outline and have her live but if she dies then it won’t be like Jon killing her it would be her possibly sacrificing herself to bring the dawn
One thing is the final of got being not good. I wouldnt complain.
Another thing is the final of got being the worst piece of work ever made in the history of the tv shows
I know your comment’s 6 months old but I disagree. D&D were freeballing it for seasons 6 and 7 and, while those seasons were worse than 1-4, they were still pretty solid. All they had to do was give people the predictable ending, the one the series had been building towards (e.g. all of Westeros is forced to set aside their power struggle and rally against the Night King, Jon saves the day against the Night Walkers in the last episode as prophesied, Daenerys becomes queen, Jaime Lannister redeems himself at some point, Cersei refuses to join forces against the Night King and is killed by Jaimie or Arya, Bran aids the fight by warging or by bringing some sort of supernatural aid from the North, Tyrion does something brilliant to protect Jon/Danerys and beat the Night Walkers, etc.). It wouldn’t have been a masterpiece, like I’m sure George RR Martin’s actual ending will (EVENTUALLY) be, but it would have gotten the job done and given the fans what they needed: catharsis and closure.
@@cgates2 finally someone who thinks like me
I don't care what they say, I will never watch any show they create again. They destroyed what should have been an epic show. I don't think they should have been given the chance to do anything else and they should have been thrown out if Hollywood.
Funnily Enoch, they’re now on the adaptation of one of my favorite sci-fi novels. I’m sure this couldn’t possibly go wrong at all…
*enough
I'm not watching anything they create as well. I'm done with them. Not only were they arrogant, but they dismissed the feelings of the GOT fans.
How these hacks still get work is beyond me
@@thee_morpheusThey're quite literally some of the worst writers in history of television, the instant they ran out of source material it was obvious. They should go write youtube stories instead of anything that's over an hour. Clowns.
the problem with game of thrones started with season 5, but too many people didn't care because most people's favourite character was dany and that was one of the only characters who actually had effort put into them. as soon as dany was "ruined" everyone went in an uproar but imo if they had dragged out the arc they wanted with her it could have made sense and been good to watch.
the dialogue from the first 4 seasons had elegance and immersive beauty to it. season 5s was ok but fast forward to season 6, 7, 8 they all start sounding like they are from the 21st century with the modernised dialogue. a quick google search will show each season had a decline of dialogue from the books and this is 100% a big factor as to why the show had declined so fast, stick to the bloody source material why do people never understand this.
in the later seasons they also focused too much on dany jon and tyrion which i know george himself has said are his "main characters" but again looking at the older seasons, there was so many times minor characters got massive parts and it really helped to sell how big the world of westeros was. i dont want type too much more as most people arent going to even bother to read this but, the fast travelling was ridiculous, it took ned and robert three episodes to get from winterfell to kingslanding and during those episodes we had amazing worldbuilding whereas in season 7 we get a 5 minute clip of jon and dany on a boat going back to winterfell from the wall...
i could go on about so many more things but i'm just gonna leave it as i look like a crybaby moaning over Game of Thrones but when you are as passionate as i was, its annoying to see it wasted, now we just got to pray George will finish his books (he deffo wont).
very spot on
No matter what they say it is not good enough! They rushed it, they should be honest and stand with their decisions. Smh all this did was made me angry all over again lol
My apologies, my lady.
What did they even say, though? They didn’t even offer a half-hearted apology, just deflecting and ‘we can’t worry about pandering to public opinion.’
they both are disgrace . no respect for the fans over the years . we waited two years for the final season , they delivered two hours of story writing 🤦
They should have the backbone to admit mistakes and apologize or explain their choices
Entitled angry spoiled hater.
I find incredible how they got another chance with Netflix. It's unforgivable.
They ruined the story. They ruined the prince that was promised, son of Raygar Tygarian and Ned starks sister...they ruined all of it. They ruined the Night Kings threat and made his defeat be a result of girl power. They just threw a lot of characters under the bus, Danny being a chief offender, going mad with power and death with no development leading into such a change.
So no, they don't deserve to be welcome among GOT fans.
Indeed, Danny went mad due to overly tight hair braids and the sound of bells - so mad she had to burn every man woman and child to death for a good hour or so., going up and down the streets like pac-man....but once she got that out of her system along with a bit of a Hitler speech - she was right as rain and all lovey dovey with Jon, well, until he stuck a knife in her - of which Drogon was so annoyed with that he had to burn the pointy metal chair.
As for the Night King, i dunno what happened there as i couldn't bloody see anything.
@@blower1 I recently tried to re-watch the big battle, where the Night Kings gets it, with a very good torrent file on my new Samsung 50" UHD monitor. Gave up before the end because I still couldn't see anything.
They were like toddlers in the Louvre
@@JCO2002 I watched it again on HBO after they said they had fixed it, and I got to hand it to them, they actually made it possible to see what was going on. It wasn't daytime by any means, but it was alot better than when they released it at the start. The episode was horrible though, they still didn't fix that.
They wanted aryia to be the killer because of diversity and subversion. Was absolutely the worst call having the night king getting soloed
My heart dropped when i realized they were behind the three body problem. I was already skeptical of a live action series of the books because they are pretty crazy but i was super excited to see it but now I'm just and worried they will ruin another awesome story.
Exactly how I felt when I starting watching Apple TV’s Invasion. The first couple of episodes felt so mediocre in quality that it had me questioning the show runner in charge. Then I found out the show runner in charge was Simon Kinberg (a storyteller so “NOT” nice that he ruined the X-Men Phoenix story TWICE. Let’s just say that Invasion series remains unfinished viewing by me til this day.
Season 2 of Invasion is really good, though
Same, utter dread. I love the Remembrance trilogy almost as much as i love ASOIAF. They made it into mundane Netflix slop
Are they blaming fans for their high expectations? No. It was lazy writing, characters' murdering, and just plain hopelessness. Everything aside, I just couldn't understand how the Night King, mystified and glorified from season one episode one , could end up by a simple stab. It was a built-up through years and years - then it plunges off a cliff. How could the showrunners excuse themselves?
Especially, when u read the book and realize how much gold they left out.
@@ll2323Yeah, Nimble Dick surely would have saved the show.
And just today it was revealed in House of the Dragons that Daemon gives up his ambition at once, seeing the White Walkers in his vision. The Night King frightened kings and subjects hundreds of years before the events of got.
Night king wasnt even introduced until halfway through season 4. Get your lies straight.
@@WWESVRGAMER Weren't nightwalkers introduce in first episode? Who do you think was leading nightwatchers then? Nobody? Winter is coming was foreshadowed from day 1 shot 1.
Now we are or were all supporters of a previously good tv show. Liking or not liking is a personal choice. It doesn't have to go to accusing others of "lying",
So how are you liking their final season? You can name some of DnD's strong scripting or directions here.
How could they expect us to love that ending??? It was the worst last episode and ending, absolutely catastrophic 😢
Its actually very sad that the ending was so bad, I can’t even go back to rewatch the show because I just remember how bad the ending is and don’t want to waste my time.
same. what a shame. I don´t enjoy it anymore.
Agreed, I have tried to re-watch just the first 4 seasons and I couldn't get through it, because I knew what was coming.
I go back to that scene when the Night King is walking up to Bran sometimes, and just shake my head realizing how it ended.
Thank god they didn’t let them do house of dragons, because I’ve already rewatched that at least 4 times 😂
I watch the entire series over and over again, but I always stop at the next to last episode
The oversimplification of that article illustrates the purpose. They are mitigating the damage and the extremely lazy writing in season five through eight, and reducing the fans concerns to just season eight. This is done in advance of promoting the new show. They’re hoping that this will serve as an apology when it isn’t one. The moment Dan and Dave were left to their own devices without any source material their egos Did the writing for them. They need to apologize to the fan base and need to acknowledge that they got lazy and bored. That’s the simple truth of it. If they don’t come out and apologize prior to this new show coming out, they’re in for a big surprise and likely, this will be the last show they ever write.
Another thing that needs to be pointed out is while this was the most celebrated TV show in history, it is also a phenomenal reversal to the laziest and poorly written (arguably last 4 seasons) of any popular show in history.
"Dan and Dave, do you intend to murder 3 Body as badly as you did Game of Thrones?"
"Yes" 👁👄👁
omg... didnt know it was them... PASS
Oh wow - their new show is The Three Body Problem? How very sad 😔 - I would definitely watch if it were literally anyone else at the helm
@@DocBree13 Yeah. I've been waiting for a while now for 3 Body Problem to get an adaption only to find out the writers are the ones who ruined GoT. I really hope they don't Intentionally walk towards a tree with this one at least.
@@DocBree13same, but with them i know it's literally not even worth the time
It still stings. That absolute dumpster fire of a final season still hurts.
They rushed that interview just like they rushed season 8 we need the new book to drop and a new season 8💯
Hateful toxic children like you dont get what they want.
I think it's completely understandable that they would lose their passion especially when they ran out of material and had the immense pressure of writing their own material to continue the show, but they should have passed it onto someone else instead of rushing it.
Even if they only wanted to make around 70 episodes they could have handed it over to someone else. Bad excuse.
Any writer in HW would have jumped to work on GOT if Dan and Dave stepped away. They literally could have gotten the best writers in town to eat the last few seasons and leave no crumbs. Mazin. Ron Moore. Espensen. It could have been LEGENDARY.
They didnt wanted to share credit to anyone, they wanted to be the only guys that wrote Got so they could have all the fame
Couldn't agree more. First 4 seasons were absolutely insane. No contest.
It wasn't the actual outcomes that I disliked, it was the story(or lack there of) that got us there in such a short time while literally shitting on some prominent character arcs. Plot armor was their best friend to make season 7 and 8 happen. Some could even argue it started earlier.
And they're not missing anything with HotD.
What they did with Tyrion and Varys' characters should be considered a crime. Took the two most interesting and thought provoking characters of the entire story and made them a sad afterthought.
This has the same energy as seeing a documentary of a serial killer 💀
I'm still convinced that they had other writers, or ghost writers, write the show, because nothing else they've ever done has been good.
im the one person who liked troy
@@horvathsogranfume658 You're not, I actually enjoyed Troy. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was entertaining. But it was nowhere near the level of writing of GOT.
@@TChalla616 they did. His name is George RR Martin lol
I still have not read the books, but the last 2 seasons felt pitiful, even to me. I rewatch it all a couple of times a year & still come away thinking what a tragedy to not do justice to the build-up of the previous seasons. It's like watching & appreciating the majesty of a beautiful, gushing waterfall suddenly begin to slow & become a drip until there's nothing. You just feel thristy all the time. I will eventually read the books, I do have them. Just not yet.
I strongly advise you to read the books. But beware, the show will seem even worse after that. Even the first four seasons
Years ago, I would have recommended reading the books, because they are fantastic. However, book 5 is full of cliffhangers. We want George to finish but he has worked on numerous other projects over the last decade while he lives under the delusion that he will live forever, or we delude ourselves into believing he has not lost interest.
@michaelbayer5094 I think maybe he's hung up on trying to find a way to reconcile the books to the show. As if what D&D did has now become canon instead of the opposite. When I started watching, it was already season 4, so I could binge it. I knew I could treat the books & show as separate stories & not get hung up on the show not matching the books. But D&D went so far off the trail before taking the big dump that reconciling is impossible & I think GRRM can't get the show story out of his head in order to complete the real story.
@@kennan200 I don't think the show and books can be reconciled. The show and the books are almost exactly the same at least thru season 4, with minor exceptions, but the last 2 seasons are way ahead of the books (and without the source material, it sucks). I don't want to spoil the books for you, but except for Bran (still North of the Wall), Arya (in Braavos) and Cercei (ruling badly in KL), every major character is somewhat different or are doing something different from what is seen on the show. Plus, the books haveTargaryens, Martells, and Greyjoys that are not even in the show.
@michaelbayer5094 I agree. I think the last 2 seasons just wrecked his thinking & he's stuck thinking there has to be a way to make it happen & there just isn't. He needs to dump all the D&D insanity & stick to his original Game plan. Let the show be what it is & just keep on with his own universe.
No fuckin way am i going to waste even one second watching anything they ever do.
I will
It's tragic that they can't celebrate such a feat of television. I agree with you that the first four seasons are absolute gold and the ending did not cause me to view the entire series negatively. They could rectify some of this if they got on board with other writers to do a sequel, which I thought SNOW was going to be.
Nothing they say addresses their disrespect for the fans, the talent and crew, and the story itself. If they were confident that they had done the best they could, they would have met with the fans and taken their lumps.
So very true they are coward's an still haven't said anything about the show,fans,the actors an crew especially the actors who's story's an character arch they ruined this has just been about them an this new show
They don’t even pretend to be remorseful, or to have learned anything from that debacle
To quote Stannis, "The good doesn't wash away the bad, nor the bad the good". The final 2 seasons don't cancel out the 6 great seasons before them. Nor do the 6 good seasons absolve the 2 horrid ones. We can enjoy the good times and critique the bad. GoT is still my favorite show of all time and that's unlikely to change anytime soon.
Those first Five seasons were legendary, It only went downhill from there
6 was good, too, IMO. 7 & 8 were the train wrecks.
5 trash 6 trash
4 god tier. 5 acceptable but overtaking the books was basically suicide even if they had a generic plot line to follow
@@JarinCOD 5 pretty damn bad, 6 decent, 7 trash, 8 mega trash
@@Jdb63 6x10 is trash because Cersei killing half of side characters and the POPE OF WESTEROS HAD NO CONSEQUENCES. Crowned herself like nothing.
i would have just one question for them: " how does it feel to ruin a one in a lifetime show because you just got tired of it?"
They do not care about it . They are done with it . I am surprised they are working on something after the mess of the last season of game of thrones.
You don't care about it.
The Bells is the best TV episode ever. Noob.
Dan and Dave did absolutely brilliant work when they had someone else’s outline of the story and has someone else write the dialogue. As soon as those 2 items fell upon their plate it was all down hill from there.
They’re good at bringing other peoples ideas and words to life. Just not their own.
it is pretty bunk to take all the accolades and take none of the hits... but I agree with you that the last season has not diminished my love for the show over all, not at all. There were just so many great moments. Even the last season had that one amazing episode where everyone got together before the battle of winterfell, it felt like a "goodbye" episode to characters we loved for years.. and then poof, no one really dies ... yech....
Seriously. The battle of Winterfell was horrible. How did Sam fight and survive?
@@tylerchapman9234I liked how the mindless giant zombie killing machine decided to take time out of his mindless killing to pick up a little girl and bring her into sword range of his eye. And despite all the other eye-less zombies and eye-less animated skeletons somehow being able to 'see', the giant getting stabbed in the eye ends him
Season one where Robert and Cersei talk about how long hate could keep a kingdom together. That was so well written, I consider it canon even though George did not write it.
I completely agree with you on the first 4 seasons!
They fail to realize this was their lifetime achievement. They brought the world together throw years of character investments. Hell, half of us still talked about Ned all the way through even though he was in one season. They failed themselves and the world.
I do blame hbo partially because of they said they didn’t want to do it anymore, then they should’ve hired different writers or let George make decision and take the blame. But either way they still fucked up everybody 2 year wait expectations with things that should’ve have happened.
If they didn’t want to do more why did hbo offer 1-2 seasons more to help finish it off?
@@garywarburton3124 because hbo wanted more seasons. I’m saying if the writers didn’t want to do more seasons or and chose to not write a good final season, then hbo should of hired new writers.
Exactly the problem was the higher ups they got greedy and I’m sure D&D had an ending that would’ve please everyone but they had to change the whole thing to fit over night cause greed from HBO
@@krow5099 idk bout that because all the choices the made didn’t line at all with the story progress of the first seven seasons. I mean Jon not even fighting the night king for example.
@@blursithflow9442 well that’s what it is greed, D&D do have bosses. Now the Night King not fighting at all made no sense but see they wanted 75 and HBO got greedy and pretty much almost wrote a blank check to D&D to get them to stay. So whatever D&D had that could’ve wrapped it up neatly got pushed out the window also aren’t y’all forgetting that HBO is famous AF for screwing up there endings to shows I mean sapranos anyone??? I suggest y’all read the book HBO TenderBox from James Andrew Miller and it explains how HBO messed up there own IP as well.
The "Brave Sir Robin" strategy. Run away!!!!! LOL
They should just keep their mouth shut , they ruined the best series ever for me!
They didn't give GOT the time and love at the end it deserved. After hearing the explanation in this video, I feel they should of done a way better job. If they don't give 2 shits about GOT and the fans then yeah they shouldn't ever be involved. Watching it with my wife for her first time, experiencing her emotional highs and lows during the series was awesome. But then seeing reaction at the end when she said "that's it? This is how it ends?" The fans deserve better.
Nope, they are still hiding. If Everyone loved what they did , they would not hide. I am not planning on watching Anything that they are attached to.
I don't think the final season was 'divisive', everyone pretty much agree that it sucks
Final season was one of the few things that united the entire fanbase
Part of me wants to give them a pass because we wouldn’t have even had a show if it weren’t for them... but damn. There really just is no excuse for how bad the final season was. I don’t even care what reasons they might have. Unforgivable.
George R.R. Martin likely would have found someone else. Like Ryan Condall. Can you imagine Game of Thrones with Ryan Condall as showrunner?
You don't put your artillery outside the castle walls. Once I saw that, I pretty much checked out.
also kind of annoyed me that they just threw away the Dothraki army into 100k white walkers for no reason. coulda at least used them to flank. not that it matters since one stab ended the army anyway
I'll never forgive them for the last two seasons. To get to work on anything else that has to be interpreted is a major mistake.
I just finished 3 Body Problem and was blown away! I had no idea they were behind it! 🤯 i guess everyone can make a comeback, the show is really well done
Just means the only thing they can do is adapt books
I’m gonna be diplomatic and allow them the opportunity to demonstrate they’ve learned from their mistakes. Many ppl were angry after Lost, then Damon Lindeloff returned with The Leftovers, clearly taking fan feedback onboard and becoming a better showrunner as a result.
Why were people mad after LOST?
@@goatman9998people were mad after lost bc they couldn’t comprehend that they weren’t dead the entire time. People today still think the entire show was meaningless because they were dead… I don’t know how people can’t comprehend that they weren’t dead, but sadly it’s the case.
@@goatman9998 partly what @melosivitch said. Although there was also frustration about too many mysteries being left unexplained (something of a Lindeloff trope which the ending of Leftovers addresses) and a general belief that the writers were just making it all up as they went along, despite evidence to the contrary.
@@mutantdog. this too. I still believe a lot of the “unexplained” actually did have explanations, they just weren’t spoonfed and took a bit of critical thinking. However, there were some things that were never fully resolved so I can see some criticism there. But not enough to generate the hatred for the ending I still see online to this day
The problem with these clowns is, people already told them what was wrong and they went ahead with it anyway. Actors told them, fans told them. They did not listen. They are unforgivable charlatans.
I have no interest in watching their new show. They cannot face the fans or the guilt and shame because they knew what they did was wrong when they wrote that ending then I have no business giving my investment in energy to their new show.
Where's the interview?
If D&D had taken time to wrap GoT up with 2 or even one more season, with 8 episodes to each season, they could have made the greatest show of all time have the greatest ending of all time too.
True but hey it’s still one of the best shows of all time even though the final season was awful
That was a rough year, GoT season 8 and Star Wars Episode IX TRoS. Disappointing beyond what we thought was possible, and yes they do taint the whole of those franchises. It's like trying to reminisce and appreciate the good old times you had with your ex before they left you for your best friend.
I have a 60lb English Bulldog named Spartacus. Every time he takes a dump and I grab his giant turds up with a poop bag it makes me think of seasons 5-8 of GOT.
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I'm late to the party, but why build up the white walkers the whole series just to eliminate them in 1 episode. That should have been 4-5 episodes , or even a whole season.
The again I didn't read the books so I'm not certain on the source material
@rickDArula :: You are not the only one who feels the white walkers were dispatched not only too quickly but too easily !
Completely disappointed. The end wasn’t worth the journey.
That's wild. Lol
It was still worth it for me there’s no show that even comes close lol
Ooof! - i know where you're coming from there.
Hearing the intro with Petyr Baelish makes me yearn to see characters just as cunning on HoTD.
I know that I never will.
I might be in the minority, but, I don't want to hear them justify anything. Stand on what you wrote! I can't stand back peddling.
They have to address it. They know it, and more importantly, Netflix knows it, which happens to be the company that is producing D and D’s next project :Three Body Problem.
It would be powerful If they owned-up to screwing up. It would help begin the process of re-gaining credibility with fans.
But it’s looking like their egos wont let them do that.
They went into hiding thinking or hoping the fans will forget but didn't understand just how patient the fans were for them to get their heads back out so the roasting can begin again because a catastrophe like that can't. be. forgotten.
Typical "new" Hollywood mentality. I miss old skool showrunners that actually cared about the legacy and projects they left behind. I miss accountability.
I never watched an episode of the show but from the story around the production, I wonder why they are blamed so much. They where promised books by the author who just stopped delivering. They never signed up to become fan fic writers but merely to adapt the books to television. From what I gather, they where great at the job they actually signed up for and failed at the job they where forced into. Why are they held to much higher standards than Martin himself. If not even he can finish the story, how are they expected to accomplish it satisfactorily? At least they tried.
I am not even going to watch what they said, nothing can fix what they did but i admire the fact that season 8 was indeed shocking. It killed the story, it killed the fans mentaly and emotionaly in a way that even after all these years i get sick when i think about the last season and this is something only got can do. Also it has reduced the rewatch quality to zero, if really nothing has a satisfying ending whats the point
This is how I feel about the two Dorks who ruined Fear The Walking Dead.
There's no doubt that these two have forever changed our lives. I am not satisfied with this interview. Eventually, they will need to explain their selves. Will that day ever come? I don't think so. GOT fans will be like the north... The North remembers. We won't forget what was done, but we won't get answers either.
GoT was a cultural landmark and some of the best television ever made for six seasons. Massacring it like D&D did wasn’t just bad writing, it was an artistic sin. Doing what they did gets them arrested for crimes against the medium of television.
What’s the name of the new show? I personally want to avoid it like the plague.
I wouldn't say the first 4 seasons. I'd go as far as to say the first 7 seasons were the greatest show I've ever watched. I know a lot of people disliked season 7 as well but I actually thought it was one of the better seasons and got me so pumped for the finale. A perfect cliff hanger. I literally said at the premier of season 8 "Just don't put Bran on the throne and I'll be happy" but I couldn't have been more wrong. Not only did they put him on the throne which made absolutely no sense, but the entire character development (for several characters) over the first 7 seasons just went out the window in the writing. Dreadful season.
Did they actually write any of it during the first 4 seasons?
Martin was heavily involved throughout the first 4 seasons.
Apparently, they wrote almost 3/4 of the episodes from the first 4 seasons, but I mean, if you're just adapting material that's already been written in a book, the shittiness of your writing isn't always gonna show until you have to come up with your own content, hence seasons 6 to 8 being awful.
@@JamesEatWorld7758Martin even wrote some of those episodes himself
Why would I let myself be reeled into another show by them, just to worry about them “going their own way” with it, and ruining the last half?
Silence is golden. Should have stayed silent
The last 2 seasons felt sloppy, rushed and just lost its heart. They are talented show runners when their heart is in it, but when it's not it really shows. They need to redeem themselves with what they did to one of the best shows ever in GOT.
D&D were good at adapting and in a few instances actually improving upon the source material from the novels. the two weren’t up to the task of filling in the blank when they had nothing but outlines to work with for the final seasons. D&D did not make things easy for themselves, they could’ve hired a writing staff and they could’ve given themselves more time to do it right.
they built up TV Daenerys to much as a heroine and feminist symbol for viewers to accept her “heel” turn as a natural progression, allot of the more glaring red flags and atrocities Daenerys committed in the novels were lost in adaptation.
They were never good at adapting. They were always more interested in showing off actors than the story. Even when the show was good they made several unnecessary changes. Remember Ross? Or how they butchered the House of the Undying, one of the best scenes in the books? Furthermore, the show didn't get bad because they ran out of books. That's a myth! They still had two more books when they decided to abandon the plot. That's at least two seasons. It could be as many as four if they did what they did with A Storm of Swords.
The Winds of Winter would definitely be out by now if they took their time and actually listened to George. As it is he didn't really start to write until 2019. What he wrote before then was miniscule at best. My theory is that he fell into a depression because of how the show was handled. When you're depressed it's really hard to muster up the energy to write a book.
@@Aewon84they appeared to be good at adapting in terms of the first 4 seasons probably because Martin was still the shadow scriptwriter during that period.
What is annoyed is how hbo was ready to extend the show for a few more seasons to give the show for a proper ending but dan and dave refused. They also refused go pass on the project to other creators coz they still the wanted the fame associated with the show esp when it was ending. Pur greed and narcissism
GRRM even offered to step in and guide them like he did with the earlier seasons and they refused him!!
Seasons 7 and 8 definitely looked and felt rushed and disconnected from earlier seasons. It really doesn’t matter what Dan and Dave say, they rushed it and wanted move on. It doesn’t matter what I think if they should be welcomed back into the Fandom. I’m just the fan and viewer. To me it’s just disappointing how two guys with little to no experience in writing, directing and even producing a Fantasy Epic such as this raze it to the ground.
If I ever saw them in real life, I would ring a bell and cry shame.
What bothers me more is GRRM not having finished the series. Like is Season 8 the last book then ? And some people say he was the next Tolkien. No Tolkien finished his series.
One rushed thing I think could’ve worked out, is killing the Night King early.
Imagine this: Everything plays out nearly the same, and the NK dies… the Whites explode too or whatever and the wights all stop and collapse. Everyone takes a sigh of relief and starts to cheer and relax mentally and as everyone celebrates a blood curdling scream cuts through the celebration. Everyone stops as the sound of screaming grows and they look around… the Wights are all getting back up! Bodies rise with their eyes no longer glowing and they start attacking again… more feral and aimlessly.
The horrific reality sets in… all they did was take out the command and now they have a massive feral army of undead with no direction or guidance. The Night King at least kept them in line, he had plans that could be understood… now it’s just chaos as the magic lingers keeping the army undead.
The fight is far from over as people continue to die and they’re forced to retreat south and flee from the army of frozen undead. The magic now out of control and making those that die turn and come back, and random bursts of cold, small snow storms and cold death follow this wave of death. It’s as if the concept of death in winter has been given form and Winter is Coming.
Perhaps the Night King drew his strength from the Wights and not the other way around?! Maybe they had it wrong… maybe the Night King was keeping this chaos under control and now it’s just indiscriminate frozen death.
A small time jump ahead shows Westeros a few months later, most of the north is completely lost and Winter is moving south at a steady pace and the only thing holding the line are dragons and wildfire…
Both sides have political machinations and motivations while Jon just tries to keep the world from falling apart, leading the defense from the back of a dragon while the surviving population continues to move south.
It could’ve been epic… a true long night… but no. We got one literal night… maybe half a night. Ughhh.
I'm actually stunned an author would trust these fools with another book series.. lol
They had a HUGE responsibility with the ending. They couldn't please everyone. Give them a break. They made the decision and didnt shy away in executing it.
I’m glad you acknowledged how good the first four seasons were. It was amazing TV. Many of thise commenting will never get to live out our dreams with the success these two saw. Flowers for that alone.
Not sure if they necessarily kicked out of the fandom. Anyone should be able to join any fandom they want. Regardless if you are a producer or not
I wasn't offended by the end of GoT. Then again, I wasn't offended by the last three Star Wars films. I wasn't a superfan of either series, so I was cool with it.
On the other hand, I came unglued with how they ended Dexter and The Black List. (I can't talk about the latter)
So, I get you. ❤