IIRC, Ponte Morandi was basically a catastrophe from conception to collapse. They wanted a concrete bridge because steel was considered too expensive, but the amount of steel required for the reinforcement likely ended up being more than a pure steel bridge would require. The concrete also made it basically impossible to perform any sort of maintenance on the covered steel members, and also trapped moisture against them. Notably, Genoa is a port town, so the bridge was also exposed to significant amounts of salt, all of which combined to accelerate corrosion and make it almost impossible to detect and repair.
It's strange because as soon as I heard "cables encased in concrete" my non educated mind thought that is a bad idea. How can you detect problems or service them?
The gentleman commenting that the Morandi bridge could have been rebuilt (even a temporary structure) in several months, does not understand engineering. Amateurs always think it is easier than reality, and professionals usually understand. Most simply do not understand the complexities. Green's theorem: "Anything is possible, when you don't know what you are talking about".
Cheap, Fast, Quality/Safe. Pick two. Fast and Safe won't be Cheap. Fast and Cheap won't be Safe. Cheap and Safe won't be Fast. This is the general rule for most things, but *especially* any infrastructure. Let alone if you live somewhere where if you dig anything you hit an archeology site.
I've watched enough disaster breakdown videos to know that if there’s ever a fire in the building I'm in, I'm evacuating. You can tell me it's fine and to stay put, but I'm only going back in once the fire is out.
With the bridge, collapsing, if there was one silver lining to it is that it happens on the day it did and not one day later whenever the summer holiday would’ve started and the bridge probably would’ve been completely packed with cars.
That fire was insane, there's No way that should've burned that quickly, what did they use, it's almost as if they built it like a fire trap from the start. Negligence to the Nth degree.
The foam insulation in the new siding that they added to the face of the building wasn't rated for high rise structures. It's essentially accelerant once it ignites so the whole building burned from the outside in as it ignored any fire safety measures within the building. It's like being wrapped in oil rags.
Polyurethane: The same foam that killed nearly all in The Station nightclub in 3 minutes and killed several firefighters in a furniture store. Polyurethane fire spreads rapidly and the fumes are deadly. It makes the best glue, padding and insulation because of it's many air cells -hence polyurethane is everywhere. Polyethylene and polystyrene are similar, but vary by density (number of air cells).
How the hell such flammable materials were approved to clad the Grenfell tower? I'm not in the building business but as soon as you mentioned all the materials, I knew those were highly flammable. Whoever suggested and whoever approved this needed to go to jail or be charged lots of money for rebuilding.
Grenfell: Fire doors to the roof should have been provided for airlift. It's like they were purposely trying to make sure this building failed so they could build something in its replacement.
Actually the building didn't fail. It was extremely expensive to build and was made to survive a fire, it still stands. The people inside were the expendable part.
The story of the Morandi bridge collapse sounds a lot like the collapse of the Key Bridge of Baltimore, Maryland back in March of this year. Perhaps one day that story will be told in a documentary.
It would have been interesting to have seen a timelapse of the trees turning into bloom in the spring at Eschede. Perhaps they can edit and extend the video to include this item.
From the moment Insurance Companies put a value on a life. the mathamatics for saving money on these projects became easy. Grenfell Towers was a prime example of this risk and payout policy. If we use cheap dangerour products and save X amount. how much will we have to pay out when it goes wrong? X - Y. + Profits from new higher quality structures for a "better class of people".
"Went back to solid wheels" after finding No Cracks on wheels that were new or re-profiled up to 5-6 times??? It's CLEAR that the railroad company didn't like spending money on NEW wheels! Use NEW wheels ONLY on high-speed trains, and after those have to be re-profiled use them on low-speed and cargo only! It AIN'T ROCKET SURGERY!
Does Europe not teach fire evacuation of stay low and crawl out, never stay in a burning building, not have fire eacapes, not have building wide fire alarms that go off when smoke is detected etc?
People were being told by emergency responders to stay in the building. Buildings like that, when built CORRECTLY, are constructed in such a way that fire can't spread from floor to floor.
@@nadapenny8592 that is also weird to do first thing you're supposed to do in a multi unit building fire is evacuate everyone not have them stay put regardless of having mechanism supposed to contain a fire. It's akin to telling a neighborhood to stay while a wildfire is taking out their neighbors house
They can plan and plant a rare Japanese cherry tree for each of the deceased but they couldn’t compensate the victims. Sounds like they celebrate their victims deaths more than they value their survivors
Im familiar with the building materials used, but if i lived in grenfell, the simple fact alone that they came in 2mill under budget over 4 years of construction, would immediately have me moving. When is the last time any project came in under budget? Iiterally cant think of anything else they could have added, to kill these people further. It's insane. Like, were they trying to free the property because its such a desirable area and they wanted to use it for other things? Watching these people cry and burn alive, will haunt me forever.
Do we really need, ma tanto di capello e arie d'importanza, to establish that putting steel that rusts inside any object of concrete will result in exactly what happened in Genova?? Italy has earthquakes regularly and other destabilizing earthmovements. This can and does create microcracks where rain seeps in and as rust expands = bye bye construction.
Rust. The bridge had steel inside concrete close to area where water over decades was seeping in. There was reports apparently about the condition- and I believe several attempts were made to "remedy" the problem- But the PROBLEM was never fixed- just coated and covered.
Preventative maintenance? Nahhh. Oh no, no, no. We never really do anything like that. What's the point, there's so much more money to be made after the disaster. Silly silly people. Thinking that humans can actually do something to prevent pain and suffering. HA!
IIRC, Ponte Morandi was basically a catastrophe from conception to collapse. They wanted a concrete bridge because steel was considered too expensive, but the amount of steel required for the reinforcement likely ended up being more than a pure steel bridge would require. The concrete also made it basically impossible to perform any sort of maintenance on the covered steel members, and also trapped moisture against them. Notably, Genoa is a port town, so the bridge was also exposed to significant amounts of salt, all of which combined to accelerate corrosion and make it almost impossible to detect and repair.
That's exactly what happened.
Rusty steel encased in concrete made it impossible to service.
They already knew the steel was rusting.
Like the Surfside, FL condo collapse a couple years ago.
without slavery you'd be stuck in africa@@rdallas81
It's strange because as soon as I heard "cables encased in concrete" my non educated mind thought that is a bad idea. How can you detect problems or service them?
@@brandonfry1333 You can't in any reasonable way. How this ever got built in the first place is beyond me.
The gentleman commenting that the Morandi bridge could have been rebuilt (even a temporary structure) in several months, does not understand engineering. Amateurs always think it is easier than reality, and professionals usually understand. Most simply do not understand the complexities.
Green's theorem: "Anything is possible, when you don't know what you are talking about".
Cheap, Fast, Quality/Safe. Pick two. Fast and Safe won't be Cheap. Fast and Cheap won't be Safe. Cheap and Safe won't be Fast. This is the general rule for most things, but *especially* any infrastructure. Let alone if you live somewhere where if you dig anything you hit an archeology site.
he's clearly defending a bad design and the bad design school too...
Not to mention it was at the height of covid so everything was locked down anyways. That's why it was slow to start.
@@JInuOneSix WOW! This could be applied in so many areas of life!
Citing Julius Caesar, that guy really is up his own backside. The iconic disconnected intellectual that doesn't see the reality he's hand waving away.
I've watched enough disaster breakdown videos to know that if there’s ever a fire in the building I'm in, I'm evacuating. You can tell me it's fine and to stay put, but I'm only going back in once the fire is out.
Not even then because fires can restart hours to days later. I'm out for a vacation bye
With the bridge, collapsing, if there was one silver lining to it is that it happens on the day it did and not one day later whenever the summer holiday would’ve started and the bridge probably would’ve been completely packed with cars.
That fire was insane, there's No way that should've burned that quickly, what did they use, it's almost as if they built it like a fire trap from the start. Negligence to the Nth degree.
The foam insulation in the new siding that they added to the face of the building wasn't rated for high rise structures. It's essentially accelerant once it ignites so the whole building burned from the outside in as it ignored any fire safety measures within the building. It's like being wrapped in oil rags.
But why make it seem like they did it because poor people were going to live there?
Fitting for who lived in it. ❤
Polyurethane: The same foam that killed nearly all in The Station nightclub in 3 minutes and killed several firefighters in a furniture store. Polyurethane fire spreads rapidly and the fumes are deadly.
It makes the best glue, padding and insulation because of it's many air cells -hence polyurethane is everywhere. Polyethylene and polystyrene are similar, but vary by density (number of air cells).
How the hell such flammable materials were approved to clad the Grenfell tower? I'm not in the building business but as soon as you mentioned all the materials, I knew those were highly flammable. Whoever suggested and whoever approved this needed to go to jail or be charged lots of money for rebuilding.
I particularly remember the Grenfell Tower fire. Awful tragedy. I'd never live in high rise!!
Unthinkable things happened middle of Europe… such a tragedy…
Happens everywhere.
No one escapes time and chance.
Everything that comes from the earth goes back to the earth.
Grenfell: Fire doors to the roof should have been provided for airlift. It's like they were purposely trying to make sure this building failed so they could build something in its replacement.
Actually the building didn't fail. It was extremely expensive to build and was made to survive a fire, it still stands. The people inside were the expendable part.
Shouldn't compare to the Brooklyn Bridge as its engineering, workmanship, and materials are outstanding. It was built in 1869-1883. It will not fail.
As long as it is maintained properly, the Brooklyn bridge will stand forever.
They truly don't make things like they used to..
I believe she’s made from granite.
@@carwashadamcooper1538 These post modern lefty commi architects ruined engineering and architecture
@@CenturyHomeProjectLimestone, I believe.
@@LincolnJamesHeathrowIIIboth limestone and granite, I just checked
Expert claims the bridge in Italy was sound, but it shattered - is that sound!
The story of the Morandi bridge collapse sounds a lot like the collapse of the Key Bridge of Baltimore, Maryland back in March of this year. Perhaps one day that story will be told in a documentary.
!00% correct on what you said the Cargo ship bump into the Key Bridge and it collapsed like a house of playing cards
@@rogerstlaurent8704it was really weird. The bridge collapsed so easily.
Good documentary
It would have been interesting to have seen a timelapse of the trees turning into bloom in the spring at Eschede. Perhaps they can edit and extend the video to include this item.
5:04 😳 that is a terrifying view
From the moment Insurance Companies put a value on a life.
the mathamatics for saving money on these projects became easy.
Grenfell Towers was a prime example of this risk and payout policy.
If we use cheap dangerour products and save X amount.
how much will we have to pay out when it goes wrong?
X - Y. + Profits from new higher quality structures for a "better class of people".
Exactly
Bummer, no comments; a great video though! Thanks 🙏
Probably cuz it's only 5 hours old👍
And by the timing of your comment I'm pretty sure you must have watched it within the first half hour it was out
Comment😂😂😂
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@@rdallas81 ??
"Went back to solid wheels" after finding No Cracks on wheels that were new or re-profiled up to 5-6 times??? It's CLEAR that the railroad company didn't like spending money on NEW wheels! Use NEW wheels ONLY on high-speed trains, and after those have to be re-profiled use them on low-speed and cargo only! It AIN'T ROCKET SURGERY!
one house near the rail had a car in their front yard
Does Europe not teach fire evacuation of stay low and crawl out, never stay in a burning building, not have fire eacapes, not have building wide fire alarms that go off when smoke is detected etc?
People were being told by emergency responders to stay in the building. Buildings like that, when built CORRECTLY, are constructed in such a way that fire can't spread from floor to floor.
@@nadapenny8592 that is also weird to do first thing you're supposed to do in a multi unit building fire is evacuate everyone not have them stay put regardless of having mechanism supposed to contain a fire. It's akin to telling a neighborhood to stay while a wildfire is taking out their neighbors house
“Stay put”…not now, not ever
They can plan and plant a rare Japanese cherry tree for each of the deceased but they couldn’t compensate the victims. Sounds like they celebrate their victims deaths more than they value their survivors
They're not that rare and are really cheap like $100-250 per tree
This happens way too often. It's ridiculous
The veiw to like ratio scares me
At least the cat survived
Im familiar with the building materials used, but if i lived in grenfell, the simple fact alone that they came in 2mill under budget over 4 years of construction, would immediately have me moving. When is the last time any project came in under budget? Iiterally cant think of anything else they could have added, to kill these people further. It's insane. Like, were they trying to free the property because its such a desirable area and they wanted to use it for other things? Watching these people cry and burn alive, will haunt me forever.
Yes, it's not luck, it's not a miracle, it's ALSO NOT UNEXPLAINABLE! It's called PHYSICS! 😂
Those who knowingly put money over safety will have to explain that decision in the next life.
Do we really need, ma tanto di capello e arie d'importanza, to establish that putting steel that rusts inside any object of concrete will result in exactly what happened in Genova??
Italy has earthquakes regularly and other destabilizing earthmovements.
This can and does create microcracks where rain seeps in and as rust expands = bye bye construction.
covering steel with plastic polymer would prevent oxydizing
I found out about the Genoa Bridge due to the Euro Tuck Sim event.
You mean the "Euro Truck Simulator" yes?
I have watched this video a long time ago.
Wish I could share these with past people
Was supposed to be fertilizer for growing farms.
Collapse of Cần Thơ Bridge 2007
Can you post the engineering investigation? I actually could learn something from that instead of whatever this is.
Rust.
The bridge had steel inside concrete close to area where water over decades was seeping in.
There was reports apparently about the condition- and I believe several attempts were made to "remedy" the problem-
But the PROBLEM was never fixed- just coated and covered.
This was more like a committee presentation.
Yeah they really didn't get into it for an engineering failure video. Too emotionally invested to talk about facts I guess.
chimney effect
People in Palestine and Israel should watch this and how people came together regardless of what their backgrounds or their religion
Whut
American Bridges are an accident waiting to happen. Most are 50 to 70yrs old
Mama Mia
Preventative maintenance? Nahhh. Oh no, no, no. We never really do anything like that. What's the point, there's so much more money to be made after the disaster. Silly silly people. Thinking that humans can actually do something to prevent pain and suffering. HA!
hahahaha
bunch of cry babies