The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament (Holy Spirit - #1 of 4) - by J. Dan Gill
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Is the Holy Spirit a third person of a Trinity? Is God's spirit a Person in addition to the Father? What does the Hebrew Bible tell us about the Holy Spirit? J. Dan Gill teaches a Bible class in East Tennessee about what the Old Testament says regarding who/what the Spirit of God is.
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Amen.
Oh God our Father,
Help us to throw away all the Greek philosophy and empty deceit after the traditions of men.
Help us worship you in spirit and truth as you seek such to worship you.
Help us to follow Jesus as he leads us to you.
In the Name of the One you have exalted and have called to sit at your right hand we pray, our Messiah Jesus.
🧡💎
The king James capitalized Spirit purposefully:
“holy spirit” is mentioned 7 times in the KJB, in 7 verses, in 6 chapters, in 5 books.
1st Mention (Old Testament precedent)
Psalms 51:11
“Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” All lower case.
Nowhere else is it lower case on the ‘h’ and the ‘s’ when taken together in the same passage. No upper case when taken together elsewhere in OT, (like holy Spirit, see table below).
The 2nd and the 3rd OT mention is “holy Spirit” until you get to the 4th mention.
4th Mention (and New Testament precedent)
You have "Holy Spirit" once in Luke 11:13. Where Jesus says “how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? No lower case “holy spirit” in NT.
Jesus ties the idea together.
What idea, (among others)? That we get the Spirit that God the Father gives when we ask for it, and conversely, he won't take it away though we ask him not to or we question our salvation! The King James Bible is inspired by God and is meant to grasp the fullness of a doctrine even with it's perceived errors.
7th Mention
1 Thessalonians 4:8
“He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.”
The 5th, the 6th and the 7th NT Mention are "holy Spirit".
OT Precedent
1 (4) holy spirit Psalms 51:11
2 (3) holy Spirit Isaiah 63:10
3 (2) holy Spirit Isaiah 63:11
NT Precedent
4 (1) HS -(Jesus speaks) Luke 11:13
5 (2) holy Spirit Ephesians 1:13
6 (3) holy Spirit Ephesians 4:30
7 (4) holy Spirit 1 Thessalonians 4:8
The “Holy Spirit” in Luke 11:13, makes me unable to doubt that God our Father gives us his Holy Spirit. The 2nd and 3rd OT mentions of the “holy Spirit” in Isaiah says God will give it to his obedient people. Isaiah 63:10-11 “10 ¶ But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. 11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" It's from the KJB, how I know my God is One with his Spirit, not from teachings from 21st Century. Ye all need to give more credit to the Holy Spirit for the KJB translation.
The 5th and 6th NT mentions in Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30 say it’s sealed with a promise and not to grieve it once u have been given it, referring to the 1st mention in Psalm 51:11 particularly, and Isaiah’s 2nd and 3rd mentions. Psalm 51 was “To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bath-sheba. Now having a complete revelation of the holy Spirit, we are warned that people will treat us bad not just because, but because they don’t like God when it seems like they don’t like you, when it seems like they have no reason to dislike you.
The KJB uses Holy Ghost, mentioned 90 times, referring to the Spirit of Christ, mentioned twice. The Spirit of God is mentioned 12 times, all in the NT. I believe the Holy Ghost is the personification of Jesus post resurrection, because it is mentioned overwhelmingly in the Acts, 42 times. Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ are brought together only in Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." It seems to me that the perfect unity of our spirit with Yahweh's spirit is if we accept his Son and Christ's Spirit.
Isaiah 53 tells us that the 'arm' of God is the Messiah. The 'hand' of God is attached to the 'stretched out arm' of God and does His work.
There’s more than one being “in God”. The Father is 1 individual being and Jesus is 1 individual being. Jesus was always there before coming to earth as a human and then returned back to heaven. And is one (in harmony) with the Father meaning one in purpose, direction and goal in regard to the plan of redemption. The Logos is God, as Thomas stated: "My Lord and my God." ... The Logos is God active in creation, revelation, and redemption. Jesus Christ not only gives God's Word to us humans; he is the Word. The Logos is God, begotten and therefore distinguishable from the Father, but, being God, of the same substance (essence).
Jesus is not 'eternally begotten' that is Greek Philosophy.
Yahovah our Father says:
"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me
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I, I am the LORD, and *besides me there is no savior.* I declared and saved and proclaimed, when there was no strange god among you; and you are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and I am God.
Also henceforth I am he; *there is none who can deliver from my hand;* I work, and who can turn it back?” Is 43
Jesus says:
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, *who has given them to me* is greater than all, and *no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.* I and the Father are one.” Jn 10
Being one with the Father is the same purpose and direction.
Jesus prays later in John 17 that the disciples be one has he and his Father are one.
I pray that your eyes be opened to the Truth that Jesus Messiah is God's only Begotten Son!
And what about the spirit?
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist the OP never said Jesus was/is eternally begotten. Started off with a strawman argument there.
@@Pedant_Patrol I misread your comment and asked you to show me ‘eternally begotten’. It is the official doctrine of Orthodoxy however.
@@Pedant_Patrol you asked ‘and what about the spirit’.
Jesus is sitting at God’s right hand, God’s is spirit according to Jesus. So Jesus being that close to God, he can be nearly omnipresent.
Jesus said ‘Where two or three are gathered in my name, I will be in the midst of them’.
Jesus said he and The Father (God) would come and abide in believers.
John 14:23
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and **we will come to them and make our home with them.**
Jesus said it was better for us if he went away. So God’s spirit can make him available to many believers at once.
There seems to be some echoing going on later on in the video.
The Holy Spirit is not a third person of the trinity. Who is the Holy Spirit? But the first big question is WHO IS INSIDE JESUS ? Well, we are absolutely sure that THE FATHER IS INSIDE JESUS AND LEADS HIM VERY TIGHTLY when speaking and acting :
(1)
"Truly, truly I say to you, THE SON IS NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING of himself,45 but ONLY WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING; for whatever things that One does, THESE THINGS ALSO THE SON DOES LIKEWISE.
(2)
"When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will find out that I am he,
and OF MYSELF I DO NOTHING, but rather EXACTLY AS THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME, THOSE THINGS I SPEAK. 29And the one who sent me IS CONTINUALLY WITH ME. HE HAS NOT LEFT ME ALONE, because I always do the things pleasing to him."
(3)
"49 FOR I FROM MYSELF HAVE NOT SPOKEN; rather, the Father who sent me, he has given me COMMANDMENT, WHAT I SHOULD SAY, and HOW I SHOULD SPEAK. 50And I know, that his commandment means eternal life. Therefore, WHAT THINGS I SPEAK, JUST AS THE FATHER HAS SAID THEM TO ME, I SPEAK THEM JUST SO."
(4)
"The statements which I say to you I do NOT SPEAK FROM MYSELF, BUT THE FATHER ABIDING IN ME IS DOING HIS WORKS."
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Could Jesus further have a SECOND LEADER, "the Lord giver of life" - to lead Him - even if only a few times? Of course THERE IS NO PLACE LEFT FOR THAT: from the above verses we see that Jesus IS LED VERY CLOSELY ("exactly") by the Father, who is "continually" "abiding" in Him. That no one else is there is also implicitly stated : "...He has not left me ALONE..." i.e. you just have the Father with the Son, period.
But how can one explain the next verse, Jesus being filled and led by the Holy Spirit?
(5) "FILLED with the Holy Spirit, Jesus returned from Jordan and was LED BY THE SPIRIT into the wilderness.".....
Well, with the verses (1)-(4) Jesus reveals that the HOLY SPIRIT inside Him IS THE FATHER. This directly implies that the Father must be a spirit. Yes, you can find confirmation that the Father is a spirit: "God is a spirit". Not only in Jesus, exactly the same kind of relief - by the Father - when speaking - also occurs inside the apostles: "because it is not ye that will speak, but the SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER...". However, you can notice there that the term "SPIRIT" is used instead.
Well, confusion arises because Jesus has the "Father who is a spirit" and calls Him sometimes "FATHER" (Holy) (generally when Himself is concerned), sometimes "SPIRIT" (Holy, of God, of the Father...) when other people are concerned (see the apostles above). But they are just TWO NAMES for the SAME ONE SPIRIT: THE FATHER. No further "omnipotent spirit Lord giver of life" exists: it's just an invention. The Holy Spirit is thus the almighty God: for example the Devil could be INSIDE you, trying - UNNOTICED as much as possible - to steer your mind and to convince you do something. Well, God is no less, He is able to perform that action too! "The HOLY SPIRIT dwelling in you" simply means that God is inside you, trying to lead you.
Thus, "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is SYNONYM of "blasphemy against the Father". No one has been FORGOTTEN there: just TWO blasphemies are possible, one against the Father and one against the Son! This also means that when Jesus was baptized, simply the Holy Spirit - i.e. the Father who is a spirit - SAID "...you are my beloved Son...". Just the Father and the Son were there, TWO ! No one else exists, this is stated by Jesus: "I am not ALONE because the Father is with me".
The Father is now ONLY ACTIVE in His "Spirit form" (see for example the Holy Spirit and Mary's pregnancy), but He also existed in His "normal form" (see "the Father" in the baptismal formula). God existed in that "normal form" ONLY "...before the existence of the world" (Jn. 17:5,24). Therefore "Righteous Father, the world HAS NOT KNOWN you..."; this is also why "No one has ever seen God..." and why Jesus inherited the kingdom of God "The Father loves the Son and has given him all things into his hand." . Only God who dwells in that remote past makes God's decisions, He is the SOURCE of the "Spirit of God". The Spirit of God proceeds from the Father dwelling in that past and acts here. But He is just a God's ATTRIBUTE, not someone else. God is thus only made by the Father and the Son.
Thanks holy spirit is Angel Gabriel . God sent him to support Jesus during his preaching or teaching and performance of miracles. And his role to deliver God's scripture to the prophets of God. God said in the Quran chapter heifer v87 (we gave Moses scripture and sent a succession of messangers after him and we gave Jesus son of Mary a clear proofs and we supported him with holy spirit).God bless you
Respectfully Aaron Mosa, Jesus said that His Father was dwelling in him doing the miraculous works not an angel.
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but *the Father who dwells in me does his works.* Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves. Jn 14
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist The power was with Jesus but the Angel was also with Jesus Jesus was using metaphorical language like the disciples being in God John 17, this is impossible humanity can't be in God, so the correct translation is with God and God was with Christ but the translators translate this as in and that's wrong.
@@lakerstekkenn
I believe what Jesus said - that the Father who dwells in him is doing the work.
Furthermore, the Spirit of God our Father that dwelt in Christ now dwells in us! And it is the hope of the resurrection from the dead of our mortal bodies like Jesus was raised from the dead.
If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead *dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead* will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist So your understanding is Jesus was 100% God but the Father dwelt in Jesus ? that's two Gods in one Body along with the humans spirit because Jesus was 100% God and 100% human two personalities in one Body at 100% and sometimes the human part controls the 100% God part with The Father also dwelling in this Body but Jesus has these limitations in knowledge power and authority while 2 Gods are dwelling in him ? do you understanding what your reading and the Church is teaching a contradiction also this Spirit of God filled Jesus, so you have 3 fully Gods dwelling within this human Body literally but this human spirit of Jesus has control over this body limiting Jesus 3 Gods inside him, where's his illogically teachings coming from and the excuse is well it's a mystery.
That's alot of power dwelling in one person unless it's metaphorical language being used and Jesus was just a prophet of God and the Angel was strengthening him and the power of God the spirit was with him along with God being with Jesus teaching him.