John 6:62 KJVS [62] What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? Ascend up where he was before??? He was there before he came down?
In France I don't know any (and that includes ex pat "Christians"). But I keep thinking of 1 Kings 19:18/Romans 11:4... They ARE there. We just haven't met them yet!
Jud 1,4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Kor 8,6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
This is brilliant and full of energy. If Jesus was a hybrid of some kind, Satan would have made it very clear that Jesus and God are cheating. He would have made it clear that Jesus can't be the 2nd Adam if Jesus is some kind of hybrid. Jesus HAD to be human to fulfill the prophesies and be the 2nd Adam, Keep going.
he was the son of God as Micael was his name, he was not created, but broth forth. like Eve from Adam, after creation of all things he was reincarfirst living one. like a normal human, and his life is known . then he asked to get back his former glory as prommiced of his Father. to do like this is vell knovn today to put a cell together and form a new person or even sheeps, like dolly the
Åp 2,8 {THE MESSAGE TO SMYRNA} And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Kol 1,16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Joh 17,5-8 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 {THE PRAYER FOR THE DISCIPLES} I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Dear brother, if I understood the quote from the verses you put in the comments, I want to be able to help you even though you didn't ask me to. But here we go. Starting with: "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed." You need to understand another passage to understand this one. Question: Which (WORLD) was Jesus Christ talking about? Answer: The New World! Jesus is the Creator of the New World (Kingdom of God) Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him. This world that Paul is talking about that was created by him and for him is the Kingdom of God. (Right here on Earth) (I'm summarizing as much as possible) Before Jesus established the foundations of the Kingdom (New World), where did he live? Here on Earth. He was born here and was Anointed and received the fullness of God while still here on Earth: ("For in Christ all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, and in Him you have been filled, who is the Head over all rule and authority.") Thus, what Jesus said was, "glorify Me with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was." When He sat at the right hand of the Father, He asked to be glorified with the same glory He had here on earth before ascending to heaven and before the New World was established (existed). 6 "I have revealed Your name to those whom You gave Me out of the world. Yours they were; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." The name of God means (He causes to be) or simply I AM. Jesus revealed to humanity, especially to those who believed, that God IS. He is everything. Everything that human beings need. And for human beings to be able to live in the New World (Kingdom) created by God through Jesus Christ, it is necessary for human beings to be followers of Jesus Christ (believe that Jesus is the one sent for salvation). That is why John teaches us: "Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. I hope I have helped you in some way. I am from Brazil and I have a teaching job here in my country. If you want more information, I will be happy to answer you. Hugs.
@@diretodabiblia12 you are wrong again, or by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him. is the universe! and all things. not in future but past ! and there is reasons for it. but later.
@@diretodabiblia12 did Jesus create all things before he came to the earth or after ;) Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
@@mealone5789 What makes you think you are right and I am wrong? I agree with the scriptures. For example: Isaiah 44:24 says, "The Lord, the Savior of Israel, says: 'My people, I am your Creator; before you were born, I created you. I alone created all things; I stretched out the heavens and established the earth without anyone's help.' God the Father Himself expressly says that He created everything by Himself without anyone's help. And there is more, see the text of Revelation 13:8 which says: "And she will be worshiped by all who dwell on the earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world." Who are those written in the Book of Life of the Lamb before the foundation of the world? Reasoning! What world is John talking about? If it is the world we live in, then we have to admit that before the world even existed, there were human beings, and that is irrational. The text is talking about those who will worship the beast. Unfortunately, people have been led to believe in religions that they know nothing about. And they make the uneducated defend theories that take people away from the teachings of God and Christ. If you want, I have dozens, hundreds of texts that prove what I'm telling you. This is an in-depth study. You need to know what the New Heaven, New Earth, Church, 144,000, New Jerusalem, etc. are. It's not possible to explain it in just short texts. I wrote a book that is on Amazon (The Secret of God that Destroys Wolves). It's in Portuguese. But I'll also make it available in English and I'll let you know. You'll be able to read it and have a much broader view of everything we're talking about. Hugs
Åp 3,14 {THE MESSAGE TO LAODICEA} And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Notice how Mr. Gill is being gracious to the man who can’t understand it’s a Bible study. And you should keep quiet and let the person doing the teaching teach. I hope this man reads these comments.
Thank you J. Dan Gill, ever since I started listening to the material from 21st Century Reformation and discarding the doctrine of the trinity, the Bible has been much easier to understand. I do agree that Jesus Christ is not the Lord Almighty. The Scripture is very clear especially in the book of Revelation. Will you please help me to understand the scripture in Acts 20 V27-28. This is also coupled with the fact that Jesus Christ did not deny or try to correct those who accused him of seeing himself as a God, but rather deflected by referring to Moses and Pharaoh, or saying that people can also be referred to as little gods.
They were accusing him of acting on God's behalf, to "make yourself God", they were denying his God given authority to do the things he was doing. Refer to Matthew 21:23-27, Mark 11:27-33, Luke 20:1-8
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod I see the scriptures you referred me to. I still don't have an answer to my question concerning the scripture in the book of Acts, which I asked about
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod he just stated "i am the son of God" not the Father he say is grater than him, he alvays vas given all he got, from his Father.
The main reason is to restore the fallen act of Adam and Eve, which was physical. Because of that, their family, which should have been centered on God, became centered on Lucifer. That's why Jesus had to come, to not only restore physical salvation, but to restore Adam and Eve's family by having his own, which would be God centered. BUT, he was rejected and murdered before fulfilling his TOTAL mission. That's why the Lord of the Second Advent will come, also born on Earth, to restore Adam and Eve's family with his own.
partly you are correct, the universe was the danger to loose, thats why we play so important role to show that God is correct, and satan play out his claim her on earth.
did Jesus create all things before he came to the earth or after ;) Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
When you brought up, God gave Jesus the glory. This was a good time for you to explain John 17:5 which says Jesus had the glory with him before. I too am Unitarian.
Jesus is very God and very man he is more than unique he goes to the very essence of mankind not only the essence of God's kind, but he incompensates the essential of 1Timothy 2:5 puts it sincinly, "for there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind the man Christ Jesus," NIV.
You can not feed off of 2 tables. it's one or the other, the table of God or the table of demons. 🫵Repent preacher, Christianity and masonry do not mix!
I subscribe to this teaching and believe but we need to teach the complete gospel, I feel like we been on this topic for years now and his sermon on the mount along with others teaching are not being focused on.
21st century reformation focuses on this one point more than normal preaching and teaching. It's the main point of the channel. There are plenty of other channels from the same people who teach on this one, giving sermons on various topics and even teaching the gospel with the exception of dale tuggy he's more philosophical than pastor.
That's right. The Word or Judge became flesh when the Father passed all judgement to his Son. That is God was Lord of the OT and Jesus is Lord of the NT.
He does a great job of manipulating the scriptures. Yes it’s true that the son had to be fully human in order to save humanity, but he also existed before. Adam was created with two natures, one mortal(human) and the other immortal(divine or spiritual), once Adam sinned, the immortal nature departed, for God cannot dwell in a sinful body. The son of God was begotten from the Father, passing His Spirit Nature to him. The spiritual nature is also referred to as Glory or life. The son had to give up his glory in order to save mankind and become fully human. Heb 10:5 mentions that God had prepared a body for the son, just like how Adam was made. A body then his spirit. Jesus shows us step by step how to be reconnected back to God, the true heavenly ladder. 1. Know God, understand His will, get close and personal with Him till you feel remorseful for your sins. 2. Get baptized. This is where you make a covenant to die to self and live for God. This is where you receive the partial spiritual nature from God as did Christ. Full immortal body will be at the second coming. 3. Follow in the same footsteps as Christ, by allowing Gods voice to guide you till the law of God is fulfilled in your heart. 4. Now when God has completed His plans in you, then you shall receive the crown of Glory (immortal life). Now you’ll be able to look on him, face to face without being consumed. Now your officially a son of God as was Adam before sin. We are recreated into God’s image once again.
Dan you are not correct, read what Jesus dis say in Joh 17,5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A man whose mother was impregnated by God. Hmmmm,. What about Gen 1:25? How does that match up with Act 2:30; 2 Tim 2:8; Rom 1:3; 2 Sam 7:12 (see 2 Kings 11:1-3), etc.?
There's the case of the man who raises up a descendent for his dead brother. Which demonstrates that a man can be the father, without being the biological father. The fact that his wife bore that child, made it his. The same can be applied to Joseph. His wife gave birth to Jesus making it his son, and therefore also the son of David after the flesh. That's why we can have Joseph mentioned in both Genealogies.
@@eddieyoung2104 Jesus is the fruit of David's loins, of the seed of David, from the bowels of David, just like Isaac was from the bowels of Abram (Gen 15:3-4). He is not the stepson of the son of David.
@@richardtarr8145 Like I said, Jesus can be counted as Joseph's own son, because his wife bore him. God had joined them together as one flesh, so who she bore was also his. Apart from supplying the sperm, he acted every bit a father to Jesus. We often concentrate on Mary's role, but Joseph was also chosen by God to bring up the messiah. In addition to this, Mary could also have been a descendent of David, making him a direct descendent. Another important consideration is how Jesus' forerunners, Isaac and John the Baptist, were both born miraculously. It would seem out of place for them to be a product of miracle and not Jesus, when he was greater than them both. On the other hand, it seems entirely fitting that Jesus' birth was more miraculous than those who preceded him.
@@eddieyoung2104 John and Isaac had human fathers. And so did Jesus. The Bible is very clear that Jesus is the fruit of David's loins (not God's), Acts 2:30. Jesus is of David's seed (not God's), Rom 1:3; 2 Tim 2:8). He will sit on his father's throne (Luke 1:32). He had a miraculous birth, but it was not what you think.
@@richardtarr8145 From where did the human spirit of Adam originate? From where did the human spirit of Jesus originate? Was the body of Adam from creation? Was the body of Jesus from creation? How many human males did God create without the aid of two human parents? Does "last Adam" mean "last Adam [human male] that God created"?
*JOHN 8 (KJV)* [17] It is also written in your law, that the testimony of *two MEN* is true. [18] **I** am one that bear witness of myself, and **the Father** that sent me beareth witness of me.
That's Jesus, referring to himself _and the Father_ as "two MEN". The reason -Biblical- Unitarians never acknowledge the fact that Jesus referred to the Father as a MAN is rather obvious. Doing so would refute their oft-repeated _and carnal-minded_ argument that Jesus being a "man" necessarily means Jesus is a created human being.
"The man Christ Jesus" is not a creation created by the Father. "The man Christ Jesus" is the genuinely human manifestation of the Father himself - i.e., "God...manifest in the flesh".
@@Jrce11 No. I'm a believer in the self-sacrificial love of the unipersonal God, whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: JESUS.
Keep Preaching the truth brother! Jehovah is the Father, Jesus is the Son!
Correct!
John 6:62 KJVS
[62] What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Ascend up where he was before???
He was there before he came down?
Thank you so much. Could not be more clear. I have followed you for a long time. Here in Sweden I know less than 5 people than understand this .
1 more if you get to know me.
In France I don't know any (and that includes ex pat "Christians").
But I keep thinking of 1 Kings 19:18/Romans 11:4...
They ARE there. We just haven't met them yet!
Jud 1,4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Kor 8,6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
Thank you!
This is brilliant and full of energy.
If Jesus was a hybrid of some kind, Satan would have made it very clear that Jesus and God are cheating.
He would have made it clear that Jesus can't be the 2nd Adam if Jesus is some kind of hybrid.
Jesus HAD to be human to fulfill the prophesies and be the 2nd Adam,
Keep going.
Satan's greatest deception
he was the son of God as Micael was his name, he was not created, but broth forth.
like Eve from Adam, after creation of all things he was reincarfirst living one.
like a normal human, and his life is known . then he asked to get back his former glory as prommiced of his Father.
to do like this is vell knovn today to put a cell together and form a new person or even sheeps, like dolly the
This man audience needs to hush and listen to the man who is giving the lesson,,,,,,,,,,
Åp 2,8 {THE MESSAGE TO SMYRNA}
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Kol 1,16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
YHWH= I am who I am (Hebrew)
He just is.
Joh 17,5-8 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 {THE PRAYER FOR THE DISCIPLES}
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Dear brother, if I understood the quote from the verses you put in the comments, I want to be able to help you even though you didn't ask me to. But here we go.
Starting with: "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed."
You need to understand another passage to understand this one. Question: Which (WORLD) was Jesus Christ talking about?
Answer: The New World! Jesus is the Creator of the New World (Kingdom of God) Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him. This world that Paul is talking about that was created by him and for him is the Kingdom of God. (Right here on Earth)
(I'm summarizing as much as possible) Before Jesus established the foundations of the Kingdom (New World), where did he live? Here on Earth. He was born here and was Anointed and received the fullness of God while still here on Earth: ("For in Christ all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
and in Him you have been filled, who is the Head over all rule and authority.") Thus, what Jesus said was, "glorify Me with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was." When He sat at the right hand of the Father, He asked to be glorified with the same glory He had here on earth before ascending to heaven and before the New World was established (existed).
6 "I have revealed Your name to those whom You gave Me out of the world. Yours they were; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." The name of God means (He causes to be) or simply I AM. Jesus revealed to humanity, especially to those who believed, that God IS. He is everything. Everything that human beings need. And for human beings to be able to live in the New World (Kingdom) created by God through Jesus Christ, it is necessary for human beings to be followers of Jesus Christ (believe that Jesus is the one sent for salvation). That is why John teaches us: "Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given about his Son.
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
I hope I have helped you in some way.
I am from Brazil and I have a teaching job here in my country.
If you want more information, I will be happy to answer you.
Hugs.
@@diretodabiblia12 you are wrong again, or by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him. is the universe! and all things. not in future but past ! and there is reasons for it. but later.
@@diretodabiblia12 did Jesus create all things before he came to the earth or after ;) Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
@@diretodabiblia12 worlds; is several places not only this earth
@@mealone5789 What makes you think you are right and I am wrong?
I agree with the scriptures. For example: Isaiah 44:24 says, "The Lord, the Savior of Israel, says: 'My people, I am your Creator; before you were born, I created you. I alone created all things; I stretched out the heavens and established the earth without anyone's help.'
God the Father Himself expressly says that He created everything by Himself without anyone's help. And there is more, see the text of Revelation 13:8 which says: "And she will be worshiped by all who dwell on the earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world."
Who are those written in the Book of Life of the Lamb before the foundation of the world? Reasoning! What world is John talking about? If it is the world we live in, then we have to admit that before the world even existed, there were human beings, and that is irrational. The text is talking about those who will worship the beast. Unfortunately, people have been led to believe in religions that they know nothing about. And they make the uneducated defend theories that take people away from the teachings of God and Christ. If you want, I have dozens, hundreds of texts that prove what I'm telling you. This is an in-depth study. You need to know what the New Heaven, New Earth, Church, 144,000, New Jerusalem, etc. are. It's not possible to explain it in just short texts. I wrote a book that is on Amazon (The Secret of God that Destroys Wolves). It's in Portuguese. But I'll also make it available in English and I'll let you know. You'll be able to read it and have a much broader view of everything we're talking about. Hugs
He was a real man, created for the purpose of sacrifice Messiah,
Jesus had to be tempted---to sin---. Jesus had to be able to sin---If Jesus couldn't sin Jesus sacrafice would be useless.
@11304800 Jesus did not sin, but took our sins to the Cross
Åp 3,14 {THE MESSAGE TO LAODICEA}
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Notice how Mr. Gill is being gracious to the man who can’t understand it’s a Bible study. And you should keep quiet and let the person doing the teaching teach. I hope this man reads these comments.
Was he inherited sin like us from Adam?
Thank you J. Dan Gill, ever since I started listening to the material from 21st Century Reformation and discarding the doctrine of the trinity, the Bible has been much easier to understand. I do agree that Jesus Christ is not the Lord Almighty. The Scripture is very clear especially in the book of Revelation. Will you please help me to understand the scripture in Acts 20 V27-28. This is also coupled with the fact that Jesus Christ did not deny or try to correct those who accused him of seeing himself as a God, but rather deflected by referring to Moses and Pharaoh, or saying that people can also be referred to as little gods.
They were accusing him of acting on God's behalf, to "make yourself God",
they were denying his God given authority to do the things he was doing.
Refer to Matthew 21:23-27, Mark 11:27-33, Luke 20:1-8
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod I see the scriptures you referred me to. I still don't have an answer to my question concerning the scripture in the book of Acts, which I asked about
@@petrusmakgoba5766 paul is warning that false brethren would infiltrate the church after his departing, which indeed happened
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod he just stated "i am the son of God" not the Father he say is grater than him, he alvays vas given all he got, from his Father.
@@mealone5789 Yes, the one who is God is the Father, and the Father gave him all things, just as we will inherit all things
The main reason is to restore the fallen act of Adam and Eve, which was physical. Because of that, their family, which should have been centered on God, became centered on Lucifer. That's why Jesus had to come, to not only restore physical salvation, but to restore Adam and Eve's family by having his own, which would be God centered. BUT, he was rejected and murdered before fulfilling his TOTAL mission. That's why the Lord of the Second Advent will come, also born on Earth, to restore Adam and Eve's family with his own.
partly you are correct, the universe was the danger to loose, thats why we play so important role to show that God is correct, and satan play out his claim her on earth.
did Jesus create all things before he came to the earth or after ;) Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
When you brought up, God gave Jesus the glory. This was a good time for you to explain John 17:5 which says Jesus had the glory with him before. I too am Unitarian.
8 reason for you.......
Jesus is very God and very man he is more than unique he goes to the very essence of mankind not only the essence of God's kind, but he incompensates the essential of 1Timothy 2:5 puts it sincinly, "for there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind the man Christ Jesus," NIV.
That verse says Jesus is a man. Not God.
One is called God the other is called a man.
You can not feed off of 2 tables. it's one or the other, the table of God or the table of demons. 🫵Repent preacher, Christianity and masonry do not mix!
What are you claiming exactly?
what do i think ?
people can be pretty stupid, that's what i think
I subscribe to this teaching and believe but we need to teach the complete gospel, I feel like we been on this topic for years now and his sermon on the mount along with others teaching are not being focused on.
21st century reformation focuses on this one point more than normal preaching and teaching. It's the main point of the channel. There are plenty of other channels from the same people who teach on this one, giving sermons on various topics and even teaching the gospel with the exception of dale tuggy he's more philosophical than pastor.
Jesus was a God man. Too complex for us to fully understand
> "The Word Became Flesh" <
God Did Not Become Jesus.
That's right. The Word or Judge became flesh when the Father passed all judgement to his Son. That is God was Lord of the OT and Jesus is Lord of the NT.
The word is not a being
@@aaronsanchez3141 The Word is a title that can be assigned, it was assigned to God, but he has passed the title of the Word or Judge to Jesus.
@simonskinner1450 The word is not a title or a being. The Greek 'logos' means plan, will, purpose or expression of GOD.
@@aaronsanchez3141 True. The Word is a title assigned to them, to suit their function.
He does a great job of manipulating the scriptures. Yes it’s true that the son had to be fully human in order to save humanity, but he also existed before. Adam was created with two natures, one mortal(human) and the other immortal(divine or spiritual), once Adam sinned, the immortal nature departed, for God cannot dwell in a sinful body. The son of God was begotten from the Father, passing His Spirit Nature to him. The spiritual nature is also referred to as Glory or life. The son had to give up his glory in order to save mankind and become fully human. Heb 10:5 mentions that God had prepared a body for the son, just like how Adam was made. A body then his spirit. Jesus shows us step by step how to be reconnected back to God, the true heavenly ladder.
1. Know God, understand His will, get close and personal with Him till you feel remorseful for your sins.
2. Get baptized. This is where you make a covenant to die to self and live for God. This is where you receive the partial spiritual nature from God as did Christ. Full immortal body will be at the second coming.
3. Follow in the same footsteps as Christ, by allowing Gods voice to guide you till the law of God is fulfilled in your heart.
4. Now when God has completed His plans in you, then you shall receive the crown of Glory (immortal life). Now you’ll be able to look on him, face to face without being consumed. Now your officially a son of God as was Adam before sin. We are recreated into God’s image once again.
You don’t no the scriptures
Dan you are not correct, read what Jesus dis say in Joh 17,5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
was Jesus also slain before the foundation and then again on the cross ? Perhaps things can be in the plan of God.
@@truthmatters-t7e yes the plan vas made before creation
In the womb for months .😂
A man whose mother was impregnated by God. Hmmmm,. What about Gen 1:25? How does that match up with Act 2:30; 2 Tim 2:8; Rom 1:3; 2 Sam 7:12 (see 2 Kings 11:1-3), etc.?
There's the case of the man who raises up a descendent for his dead brother. Which demonstrates that a man can be the father, without being the biological father. The fact that his wife bore that child, made it his. The same can be applied to Joseph. His wife gave birth to Jesus making it his son, and therefore also the son of David after the flesh. That's why we can have Joseph mentioned in both Genealogies.
@@eddieyoung2104 Jesus is the fruit of David's loins, of the seed of David, from the bowels of David, just like Isaac was from the bowels of Abram (Gen 15:3-4). He is not the stepson of the son of David.
@@richardtarr8145 Like I said, Jesus can be counted as Joseph's own son, because his wife bore him. God had joined them together as one flesh, so who she bore was also his. Apart from supplying the sperm, he acted every bit a father to Jesus. We often concentrate on Mary's role, but Joseph was also chosen by God to bring up the messiah. In addition to this, Mary could also have been a descendent of David, making him a direct descendent.
Another important consideration is how Jesus' forerunners, Isaac and John the Baptist, were both born miraculously. It would seem out of place for them to be a product of miracle and not Jesus, when he was greater than them both. On the other hand, it seems entirely fitting that Jesus' birth was more miraculous than those who preceded him.
@@eddieyoung2104 John and Isaac had human fathers. And so did Jesus. The Bible is very clear that Jesus is the fruit of David's loins (not God's), Acts 2:30. Jesus is of David's seed (not God's), Rom 1:3; 2 Tim 2:8). He will sit on his father's throne (Luke 1:32). He had a miraculous birth, but it was not what you think.
@@richardtarr8145 From where did the human spirit of Adam originate? From where did the human spirit of Jesus originate? Was the body of Adam from creation? Was the body of Jesus from creation? How many human males did God create without the aid of two human parents? Does "last Adam" mean "last Adam [human male] that God created"?
"MAN"..."MAN"..."MAN"..."MAN"...
*JOHN 8 (KJV)*
[17] It is also written in your law, that the testimony of *two MEN* is true.
[18] **I** am one that bear witness of myself, and **the Father** that sent me beareth witness of me.
That's Jesus, referring to himself _and the Father_ as "two MEN". The reason -Biblical- Unitarians never acknowledge the fact that Jesus referred to the Father as a MAN is rather obvious. Doing so would refute their oft-repeated _and carnal-minded_ argument that Jesus being a "man" necessarily means Jesus is a created human being.
"The man Christ Jesus" is not a creation created by the Father. "The man Christ Jesus" is the genuinely human manifestation of the Father himself - i.e., "God...manifest in the flesh".
Are you a modalist?
@@Jrce11
No. I'm a believer in the self-sacrificial love of the unipersonal God, whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: JESUS.
@@euston2216 Your a gnostic and follow false theological teachings and not scripture
@@euston2216you need to learn the scriptures
This man audience needs to hush and listen to the man who is giving the lesson,,,,,,,,,,
Saying amen is OK but the man in the audience is definitely trying to show he knows just as much as the speaker that’s not the time or place