The Adapter Conundrum Part 2: Metabones 5th vs Sigma MC-11 | 4K
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- Adobe Update and Sony Color - 3:00 | Metabones Physical Controls - 4:15 | Focus Modes - 9:00 | Native Canon Lenses Focus - 11:50 | Wedding Shooting Observations and Photos - 15:49 | The Adapter Conundrum Part 2: Getting Your F/EF Glass on Sony - Metabones Fifth Generation (V) vs Sigma MC-11 | Photographer Dustin Abbott examines the top adapters for Canon EF/EF-S mount lens to Sony E Mount - Metabones Fifth Generation vs Sigma MC-11 on the Sony a7R3. Is this a viable solution? Which is better? See the wedding article: bit.ly/macyzack
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The finest review of these two adapters I've seen so far! Thank you for that fantastic job, it's extremely helpful for my decision.
My pleasure.
Your microphone records some of the clearest voice sound I've heard, very easy listening.
I use a Rode Smart Lav+, which records into my phone. In post I have created custom EQ curves for the different environments I film in.
It looks like he also turns the microphone upside down
I own a Sony A7 III and Metabones 5 adapter. In your video you mention the Canon/Metabones 'hunt' problem. I, too, experienced the same hunt-focusing issue. Fortunately for me, a photo buddy owns a Sony A7R III with Metabones 5 adapter. He simply changed my Metabones 5 from 'phase' focus mode (blue LED) to 'contrast' focus mode (red LED) and the focusing since then has been sharp and very rapid most of the time. I also purchased a Sigma MC-11 which performed totally unacceptably with my Canon 17-40mm; 70-200mm and 24-105mm lenses, all of which work very well with the Metabones 5. My friend also said the contacts on the Sigma MC-11 are abrasive and can cause permanent damage (not sure if he meant both camera and lens mounts or only one of them). MC-11 will be returned.
I did test both modes (Green and Advanced) with a few different lenses, but didn't get a better result in Advanced (Red) mode. I'm glad it is working for you.
Can metabones do autofocus for video?
I shoot the Canon 135/2L, 200/2.8L and 400/5.6L on the Sony a7r2 with the Sigma MC-11. Great results with all three lenses. However, if the subject is moving fast (sports and dogs) forget it. I think your review is spot on.
Right. Adapted lenses work fine for casual or deliberate work, but not really for anything requiring speed for the most part.
Are there any solutions for sports? I have the Metabones IV on latest firmware, and can't seem to get it to work for motorsport photography in Green mode or advanced mode!
Bad news, I've no been able to accurately track fast moving subjects with non native. For portrait shoots etc, no issues.
I just found out that you're a pastor. I have to say that I've been watching you a while and I've really enjoyed watching your videos, and I understand part of the reason why I've enjoyed them so much. Your spirit and communication skills are top notch. Thank you for what you're doing both in the church, and in the camera industry.
Thanks, Dariel. That always means a lot to me.
This makes so much sense now 😱
Dustin it's a pleasure to watch your very unbiased videos. I see that you always make every effort to bring us a very straight forward review and I also appreciate the hard work and the time you contribute to it. The Metabones V tripod foot is especially useful when you're using the Canon 85.1.2 and the 70-200 2.8 IS and I like the weather sealing.
Glad to help out.
Hi Dustin, I have a Sony A6500 + Sigma MC-11 + Canon 100mm f/2.8L IS USM lens, there is a trick to make autofocus works on this lens. This lens has a very narrow focusing rotation therefore before we press the shutter/focus button, first we have to turn the focus ring to just make the object slightly clear then press shutter/focus button, once we done that it will focus very very fast and accurate, the photo from this combination is ridiculously sharp even at wide open. I would never sell my Canon 100mm f/2.8L IS USM lens, this lens is superb and I don't need a Sony FE 90mm F2.8 Macro G OSS lens to do a macro photography on Sony camera body.
Anyway thanks for your great review.
I know what you're saying. I also find that using the focus limiter (where one exists) on lenses appropriately can make a huge difference in those very slow focus racks that makes AF seem slower.
Thanks for this tip! I have that lens and an MC-11 and A7 III on the way this week and am now looking forward to the combo.
@jadamt: What’s your experience so far? I got rid of all my Canon DSLRs, but the glass and looking into buying the a7III with the MC11.
I have to say that my experience with both adapters has been a bit different. I own the MC 11 as well as the Metabones V and I use them both with the Sony A7R III. What I have come to realize in my experience is that my Sigma Art lenses focus much faster with the Metabones V in AF-C mode. To achieve this, I would depress the side button on the MB-V WHILE attaching it to the camera. The indicator light on the MB-V will now be blue instead of read and the lens will focus incredibly fast in AF-C mode for photography. I usually use Flexible spot for this. For video however, the MC-11 is fantastic for video autofocus when using Sigma art lenses. Maybe you can give this a try for photography as I described with the MB-V. I also shoot weddings. Thanks for another great review DA
I tried both modes (including Green), and I'm surprised that you had better Sigma ART performance with the Metabones. That hasn't been my experience, but it does highlight that using adapters continues to be a somewhat inconsistent experience.
What about the canon with Metabones? Ex 24-70 or 70-200 ?
What about the canon with Metabones? Ex 24-70 or 70-200 ?
Metabones tops MC-11 with those lenses.
Dustin Abbott yes that's correct in my experience as well. I've had the worst experience with the Tamron G2 lenses on both adapters. I just can't seem to find a combination that works well
Very nice review, very professional and clear. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Some good info here... thanx for that. You could cut the first 4:21 off this video. The preamble really did 'amble'.
Thanks for the input, though the reason why people come to my channel rather than others is the mix of insight as a practicing photographer and the science of gear reviews.
Many of us look to Abbott's channel not only for technical comparisons, but also for discussion, context, and, after all, his personality.
Hey Dustin! Great video bud! I rented the A9 bought both the mc11 and the Metabones mark V. Coming from my 1dx and all the Canon glass I was interested to see performance at my weddings. Video coming soon on my UA-cam channel but I found the opposite to be true. I found the mc11 to be far better than the Metabones. I also did a styled model shoot and had all day to use both back to back and really was disappointed with the metabones. I used 85mm 1.2l, 70-200mm 2.8l, 100mm 2.8l macro, 16-35mm 2.8l, and 50mm 1.2mm. Yes firmware was updated on both as well. Face detect was much better on mc11, and much better AF. I agree native for speed is the way to go. I also found performance on both to be actually impacted the most by the position of the focal length such as on the 70-200. It struggles when at either end extreme. Back it off a tick or two and it works much better. Annoying but interesting. 😂
You seem to be getting at something else that I've noticed - adapters seem to work best within the moderately wide to short telephoto range. I've seen good performance with lenses from 24-135mm. Wider lenses will pulse more, and longer lenses will more often just give up.
Yes, there is defiantly the factor of focal length. I shoot a lot with the 70 - 200, and was frustrated when at 200mm (either adapter).. but, as soon as I went back to 135, 100mm etc.. it would work much better. Specifically, I mean I am able to use more of the far outer points. At 200mm, I have to keep the points closer to the center etc.. Now, with that said.. when my bride was walking down the isle I was using the Canon 70-200mm IS, MC-11, and using large flexi-spot and ensuring not to goto the full 200mm setting (even 180mm made a difference) and I was able to shoot pretty much like I would normally. Later at the reception, I wanted to also compare the Metabones V. at a glance they both worked "the same" but, with more time I just ended up preferring the MC-11 based on focus. I may need more time to spend with them, so I really can't say for 100% sure. I only had 5 days.
I like both (Billy Martin), there is one reason I often use the Metabones V. The V has been modified so that you can mount a Sony tc on the camera followed by the Metabones. The Sony tc’s are great but will not fit into the MC-11. I have used the Sony 2x TC with the MetabonesV and the Sigma 300 to 800 f5.6 and have had good autofocus.
That's interesting.
I received my A7iii the day it was released in the US. I got the Sony 85 1.8 and the MC-11 with it. I used the MC-11 along with my Sigma 150-600 C lens and went straight out to take bird photos. It worked amazingly well. All focus methods were at my disposal and I was a very happy camper. Then I just went to shoot a senior portrait session this weekend and planned on using my Tamron 24-70 G2 and my Canon 70-200 L 2.8 (first gen) along with my new Sony 85. He was a competitive swimmer and I needed to get action shots. When needing the Tamron to work to get him diving because I was forced to be close to him it couldn’t focus on him and I had to switch back to the Sony and change my angle. We moved to another side of the indoor pool area and I tried using my Canon lens and it focused on him but didn’t track him reliably enough in mid dive. (I was about 40 degrees to him so he was coming towards me and sideways at the same time). Once again I switched back to the Sony lens and changed my angle a little as I was using the Canon at 70. The rest of the shoot I never left my Sony 85 1.8 again. What an awesome lens it is! I still posses my Canon 7Dmkii but have zero desire to pick it up and will probably sell it to purchase native Sony and maybe Sigma glass! (Edit: I forgot to mention when using the 150-600 with OS combined with Sony IBIS I was able to take a shot at 600mm hand held at about 1/50th of a second. Only 1 of the four were good but it did it. My Canon would have never been able to do that with just lens stabilization. )
That sounds about right. Sigma glass via the MC-11 seems to be the best option for adapting. I've been bugging Tamron to make something similar for their lenses.
Congrats on your New Gear!
I'm very sad I didn't choose the Sigma 24-70 right now!
Now that really sucks even with the newest focusing system in a7iii that unfortunately tamron lenses are so fantastic on canon natively really terrible on sony though just have the a6000 have to focus mine most of the time. They really do need to make there own adapter.
LOVED that lens. And yes Tamron should make their own and not rely on others. Sigma hit it out of the park and I feel as if they leave the Canon's and Tamron's crippled on purpose but I can't blame em.
Great review Dustin. Have you noticed any AF improvement since this review with recent MC-11 firmware changes with your Canon glass ? Thanks Dave
Yes, though the biggest difference has come through Sony's improvement via recent firmware upgrades. The Sony a7III, a9/a9II, and a7RIV are the best Sony cameras with adapted lenses, though RIII is significantly improved as well
I love long and detailed reviews.
LOL - the funny thing is that I hardly watch UA-cam videos, and definitely not when they are long. I guess I'm a hypocrite!
Thank you for the detailed explanation Dustin. I just bought a Sony A7III and I will be using my Canon 24 - 70mm. I will be buying the Sigma MC 11. Btw, love your videos! Thank you!
My pleasure.
What has been your experience?
I agree, Mc-11 + Sigma lenses is the best adaptive lens setup, Kudos to Sigma.
Seems to be the case right now.
Thank you for all your comprehensive reviews!
My pleasure.
Hi Dustin, what Bryan said, I don't mind the video being long-ish, but it'll be really nice if you can make a table of contents like some other youtubers did, or overlay a bar at the bottom of the video with text markings. just my 2cents.
That's a valid suggestion, though what I need is an assistant to take the time to do this! My schedule is pretty brutal.
Great review! Does Metabones adapter attach securely or does it have any looseness either lens side or camera body side?
The one I tested fit tight, though, to be fair, I last looked at this adapter back at the time I did this review years ago.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you!
I finally just ordered a Sony A7 III, and I still have plenty of Canon APS-C lenses. Can I used the APS-C lenses with the Sony? I imagine I have to use the camera in crop mode.
Yes, you will need to use it in crop mode.
APS-C can't attach on MC 11
@@ahmonon4352 That's correct (as Sigma lenses all utilize the EF mount), but a number of other adapters do accommodate EF-S lenses (like the Metabones, for example).
You can use EF-S lenses with an MC-11 by unscrewing/removing the internal baffle. Not the most graceful solution but it works.
Also, some Canon or other-branded APS-C lenses do have full frame sensor coverage...or very close to it. A Tamron 11-16/2.8 at 15-16mm has full-frame coverage. The Canon 10-18 EF-S almost has FF coverage at 13mm. Lots of info on the interwebs.
Using APS-C lenses on the A7Rx series especially is reasonable as you still get 18 megapixels in crop/APS-C mode. It's a nice way to use what are usually smaller / cheaper lenses on a FF body, esp if you already have them for another camera body.
Metabone is out of question for me due to my budget limitations. But great to know the pros and con of MC-11. Very insightful. Thanks
Happy to help!
I think if you use the green mode of the metabone, it autofocuses better. I think you are using the advance mode
I tried both modes, actually, and I didn't see an improvement in advance mode (Green mode is the default mode)
i had the 100-400 II with the MB with several sony bodies and it worked GREAT (both af-s and af-c) in GREEN mode only , surprised to hear it didnt worked for you, the first time always doesnt work well because the adapter has to "learn" about the lenes, you have to focus several times at all focals and then turn off the camera and the MB will "store" the lens and it will work better afterwards (this info is in the mb website)
For video, FYI, Dustin, you can set it to advanced mode by pressing the button on the Metabones and reconnecting the lens/adapter while holding the button, and in video mode focus at the center of the frame works OK. However, manual focus is definitely better if you plan out your shots. I use that button all the time anyway! It's my "preview aperture" button, I use it for checking hyperfocal length when my lenses don't tell me.
I've been using the Metabones for about 6 months, and it's definitely been a hit-and-miss experience, but I am glad I got it. Since I got an A7RIII things have been amazing! It can be a little hassle: I've had the Metabones freeze up in the middle of a game twice in a few hours; but when it messes up, I can manual focus, and in the freezes, I was able to unfreeze it by disconnecting it and giving it a quarter-twist and back, so I lost a few seconds each time. It's been worth it for my general style of shooting. I'm happy with it instead of the MC-11: I didn't find that any Sigma lenses really fit my needs and/or budget.
I've got all EF lenses, as well as some old Minolta SR glass. I didn't actually own any EF lenses before I got a Sony: I explicitly made the decision to go for a frankenstein's monster schizo camera system held together by an adapter, and am happier financially for it. I refuse to buy Sony native lenses that are 2x+ the cost for similar (sometimes worse) performance, and especially with a III camera the focus is loads better than it was on my past Nikon DSLRs. It keeps my sensor a little cleaner and I'm saving thousands of dollars for it... like US$2500 or so right now for my system? Jeez. The 17-40L isn't an amazing lens, but it does the job well: I don't have an alternative from Sony except for the just as not-great 16-35 F4 that's twice the price, for one. It's definitely a difficult balance, but it works for me.
A warning: you may lose your Canadian citizenship for that "Jordan and Kyle" comment. For shame! Chris Niccolls is a national treasure.
I didn't find I got a better focus experience in advanced mode on the Metabones, but it's all about the particular lens mounted at the moment.
I completely blanked on Chris's name in that moment - a bit of a fail. It would be hard for me to lose Canadian citizenship, however, as I'm actually an American :) I do live in Canada, though.
Great review, D.
I like my MC-11, but the lack of tripod mount is real negative. Puzzling. I actually bought one of the cheapo `smart` adaptors off ebay that had a built in tripod mount just for specific tripod uses....
I completely agree. I don't get it - particularly when Sigma knows how big their own lesnes are!
I've stumbled on this little item which i think will solve this issue for fairly cheap: www.smallrig.com/smallrig-lens-adapter-support-bracket-for-sigma-mc-11-2063.html
That's what my Sigma contact recommends.
Wow - nice! That is exactly what I need.
dopamining A7ii with mc-11, no eye af with any of my 5 canon L lenses. Latest firmware on camera and adapter.
At 10.06 things could have got really bad, dude. Appreciate much your content. Keep it up.
I appreciate it!
My issue with Metabones is this. The first several adapters they made, didn't do what they claimed, so I have a hard time supporting a company that is far too expensive and doesn't come clean with there claims.
Fair enough.
I’m not surprised of this result,
Lensrentals will not suggest the use of this adapter for professional use because of to many complains by photographer. I’m thinking of adding
A Sony but I decided to stick with Canon mine was base on Ergonomics and menu and cost the only way to use the Sony camera is with natives lens my humble opinion. So for me that is to costly at this time to switch 29 year years with Canon. As alway very professional revue thank you.
That's a straightforward way of thinking. You have to decide what is best for you.
Its certainly getting to the point one must ask, should we simply get betteer Sony native glass and part ways with older excellent but non native lenses for FAST af? Manual or still subject I think adapted is wonderfull, and its hard to plunk down 2-4 k per lens, even an old 300 2.8 A mount sony is around 4-5k used...
Comes down to utility..
I was adding a canon L 300 f4 to my birding wildlife kit and was interested THANK YOU
fyi using an laea-3 and a mount has worked, but as above not quite fast on af like native...
It’s tough, because Sony simply doesn’t have the full range of lenses yet. Adapters help in the meantime, but it is rarely a native type experience
Great video Dustin as usual. BTW which mode did you use on the metabones. It can make a big difference between green and advanced and also which AF area mode you use on the Sony.
I used both modes. Which mode works better is pretty dependent on the lens attached. I've found with a lot of the adapters that the best results come with choosing the center group and using focus/recompose or override if you want to move off to an eye or something.
Thanks, I just got my adapter for Canon glass to use on the A7R3. Tried it last night in very low light with the old 135 f/2L and used wide and centre AF area and focus was quite snappy. Not sure which mode I was in on the metabones, there was a tiny little light which was blue; is that advanced mode?
I updated the firmware in both the Metabones V and the Sony a7 iii two days ago (May 27, 2019). Now my Canon 100-400mm L is working in non-advanced mode (with the blue light on the adapter) flawlessly on the a7 iii. AF is now fast and accurate. Before the update, it was impossible to use. I am thrilled!
That's great news!
how is the autofocus in video ? faster then before ?
Dustin, thank you for this honest review.
For sure. If people don't have accurate tests, it's hard to make informed decisions.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I used to shoot the A7r2 for about 2 years (I'm a Sony shooter moved to mirrorless from the A99). Sony didn't offer much lenses back then, so I ended up with a bunch of Canon glass. The AF was ok-ish but far from perfect. I ended up buying a Canon body (5DsR) and it worked really well as long as I calibrate and re-calibrate my lenses :) Now I got the EOS R and it works very well, but I'm still curious to see how the A7r3 AF evolved compared to the previous generation. Most likely will rent it next week.
Great job mate!
Thank you
I'd be interested to see how well Canons own M mount to EF Lens adapter works given its essentially in its own native domain. In theory it should work seamlessly and certainly I've no doubt it works much better than offerings from Metabones or Sigma. The reason I ask is that when both Nikon and Canon finally release Full Frame Mirrorless it's inevitable that the only way we'll get to use legacy glass is by way of an adapter. Now obviously we won't know how well their adapted lenses will work compared to their new mirrorless native glass but if say you compared your collection of L glass on a M50 body with adapter and compared it to your 6DmkII it might give us insight as to what level of performance we will likely get compared to our DSLRs when the whole adapted set up remains native 😊
I will look at the EF-M adapter for the M50, though I don't own a 6DII (I had it for review purposes).
dunnymonster I use the M5 with the EF adapter. It works seamlessly on EF-s lenses I’ve tried however it’s isn’t working well will my 100-400Lii or the 70-300 nano usm lenses I’ve tried. I think it maybe just the longer lenses that struggle as my 85mm 1.2ii works well and my 24-105L works well also. I’ve only had problems on longer lenses where it’s slow to focus although it does get there
teslar1 Thanks for that, what this kind of tells me going forward is that adapting say my Nikkor lenses to a future mirrorless Nikon might not be as straight forward as just buying an adapter. Had your experience been essentially seamless using Canons adapter with Canons DSLR lenses I'd feel more confident going forward doing the same once Nikon get a FF mirrorless out. Sadly I suspect Nikon will likely face similar issues and that's not going to please those with huge telephoto primes and zooms who believe they can carry on using them on a mirrorless body with no negative impact on AF speed and Acquisition. If your experience is anything to go by Nikon shooters with a vast range of long glass might be better sticking to DSLRs. You can be sure they won't wish to repurchase mirrorless mount versions of these very expensive lenses even assuming they become available any time soon after mirrorless launch ( which is extremely unlikely ). In fact it's starting to make sense now why both Canon and Nikon are holding back so long and also perhaps why Sony or Fujifilm haven't exactly been rushing to release long Tele primes. I think they are all still trying to find a solution before going forward. Hmmmm...food for thought there, I for one won't be jumping into Nikon's first mirrorless FF camera, adapter or not, I'll wait and see what those with a bigger investment in glass feel about it first lol. Perhaps DSLRs will be around a bit longer than we all think after all 😊
I think teslar is right. I've seen a mixed bag with each lens performing a little different via Canon's EF - EF-M on previous bodies, including the M5
Thanks! This video save my money and now moving in another way of buying sony native lenses in the future😊
Glad I could help!
such a great video, keep up the good work!!!! subscribed
Thanks for coming on board.
Dustin, my MC-11 Sony a7III with Sigma 35mm ART EF combo acted weird yesterday. My camera stopped responding 4 times in the span of three hours on my first outing, so I had to turn it off and turn the mount (with an additional shutter click at the end) for my camera to work. There was at one point where the screen was black but the display was on (maybe the shutter was in it's closed position?) Everything is updated with the latest firmware. Did you experience any camera freezing while you was tested or did I get a bad copy? I am exchanging this mc-11 for another one.
I haven’t experienced that. Have you checked if there was a firmware update for the MC-11?
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes. I updated everything.
Hmmm, you may need to contact Sigma about that.
I saw this on the B&H site in a review of the Sony a7R III. Can you tell me if you've experienced this?
"I use this camera with the Metabones V lens adaptor for Canon lenses and I've experienced repeated incidents where the camera freezes/locks up in the middle of a shoot. I've missed several important shots because of this issue and will no longer use this camera for paid gigs. When the viewfinder/screen freezes, the camera will no longer function and must be cycled off (sometimes twice) or the battery must be removed. If you plan to use a non-native lens, I recommend doing a search on this issue. There are also some reports of this happening with native lenses though I can't personally attest to that. I know of no fix for this issue and am returning this camera. It's a shame because everything else about it is incredible."
Thanks,
Craig
I've not encountered freezes, though there are some times with some lenses that the AF stops "trying" and usually you either need to powercycle, or turn the AF/MF switch to MF and then back to AF.
hey Dustin , great video again mate . I'm hearing the mc11 adaptor has a few issues in low light ? where it cant find eye auto focus . Have you had any issues with this ?
Not really, but it's important to also be realistic about the limitations of adapted lenses. It really varies from lens to lens.
Late question and probably irrelevant to a lot of people, you mentioned using the Tamron 70-200 G2. Have you paired it with the MC-11 adapter and specifically A7sii where CDAF is not a feature. How was the focusing performance?
It's been a long time since I've used the 70-200 G2 via adapter (I no longer own it), but I found it a frustrating experience on the a7RII when I tested it there.
Great video as always. Thanks Dustin.
How’s your experience with the Milvus 135 on a7RIII? I have the Milvus 85, which I use with MC-11 on the a7RII and I notice some purple fringing when I pixel peep.
I got the MC-11 to use with the Sigma 150-600c on my Sonys (a6300/A7RII). Can complain, it get the job done.
The Milvus 2/135 is just gorgeous on the a7R3. It's such an amazing lens.
Fantastic again, Dustin. Thanks.
My pleasure.
sigma new E- mount will be a whole new focus system made specifically for the sony camera. which will be really nice as it will get rid of the delays from having to "translate" between the lens and camera when adapted.
I think that is true only to an extent, though I think they are all going to be predicated on the MC-11, though specifically tuned to each lens. I plan to compare some EF/MC-11 combos with some FE versions to see how different they are.
This video can save huge money count for many peoples, big thank Dustin...
You're welcome.
Your lens selections should have included the popular ones like 50mm, 85mm primes, 24-70mm 2.8 ii, 70-200mm 2.8 ii.
Very detailed videos. Have you tried the Vello adapter with your Canon glass on A7Riii? I made the switch from 5DMarkii to a7rii. Love my Canon 180 Macro. Only use it in MF. I’ve been seeing some mixed reviews. But mainly dealing with AF. Some camera having an error message. I’m just interested in MF and being able to dial in the shutter on the camera. Any advice would be appreciated.
My first adapter video (referenced in this video) does cover the Vello, though not so much on the a7RIII. I've actually found that the 35LII works just as well (or better) on the cheap Vello adapter on the a7R3.
Love this review. But I was so nervous for 20 minutes that he would accidentally hit the camera with his moving arm and knock it over hahaha
LOL. I'm thankful too, then.
Hey Dustin, What are your thoughts on the Sigma 300mm F2.8 ? Is it a option for sports and wildlife? Fast enough focus?
I need to test it. I don't have thoughts as I haven't used it.
Does the experience with adapted glass improve in the case of A7III as compared to A7RIII ??
My experience is that yes it does.
I am looking for a cheap solution for a telephoto combo for my Sony A7iii. I was thinking about the metabones V with the 70-200 f4L lens. I will not be using this for anything professional. I just need the reach and I don't shoot birds. Would this be a good combo or wait for a Tamron/Sigma telephoto? Thanks. Good video as allways Dustin!
Image quality will be good, and as long as you don't need anything too demanding for AF, it should work okay.
Which firmware does MC-11 have? It is heard that with the old firmware you get a much better experience with Sigma mc-11 and canon lenses than with the new firmware, which is optimized for sigma lenses only.
I always have the newest firmware because I'm constantly testing new lenses that require firmware updates. That being said, I haven't found this to be true, as my feeling is that the performance of the MC-11 (and Sony focus systems) has steadily improved.
I scored a 5D2 super cheap with a couple lenses last year. 28-135 IS & 500mm f/1.8 STM. I sold the 28-135 so all in I'm maybe at $200 for the body and 50mm. I also found a 200mm f/2.8 L and 24-105mm f/4 L IS. Both were cheap as well. The 24-105mm needed to be internally cleaned and I did that myself.
I was thinking of carrying over the lenses to another body, but seeing as I'm using the camera to shoot my kids sports, I'm seeing that one of the major downfalls of adapting lenses. Would suggest any other adapter? Or stick to native lenses? Would I be happy with a newer body and a single or maybe two kens setup going from the old 5D2?
The only issues I have with it is Obviously the single cross type focus point and the low ISO compared to anything new. My pixel 6a does way better when the sun goes down at the ball games. I basically put the 5D2 away when the games go beyond sunset. Even with the big lights it's just not enough. Making it usable with ISO just destroys the image quality.
When you’re coming from the AF on an older DSLR, you may just find that you’re happy with the autofocus on a mirror less with adapted lenses. The AF via adapters has continued to improve. It could at least tide you over until you bought some native lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI That's why I'm wondering. And I'm bringing over mostly L glass. I would think I would get some decent performance. What mirrorless body might you suggest that isn't much more than $400? Used as well. Or is that budget too limiting?
Hi Dustin. I have canon lenses going to be used on a Sony a9 that I just purchased. I’m confused by what appears to be two different Mc-11 out there. Do you know if they still sell one that is strictly just for sigma lenses for canon (which makes no sense to me) or is it now one mc-11 for both sigma and canon lenses? Thank you.
There actually aren't two versions. They all say they are for Sigma lenses.
Dustin Abbott thanks for the reply. Perhaps they’ve changed what they produce but there were (and I thought still are) two model numbers available. 89e965 and 89s965. Both are listed as mc-11.
Hi Dustin, Great video. I was wondering if u tried the adapters with wide angle lens such as 14-24 sigma and if you had any issues with corner sharpness comparing it with on canon vs on Sony adapted?
You'll see that covered in a video I'm doing on the 14-24 right now. It will be released later this week.
It was claimed by Tony Northup in 2016 that there is corner degradation when these adapters are used at 16mm on a 16-35mm lens. Do you know if this is still a problem on the latest Sony full frame cameras?
If you watch this review, then you would know the answer to that. I demonstrate that for these adapters that isn't true.
I've been using the 7 artisans adapter so I can mount my old canon ef-s lenses on the a7riii while I wait for my e mount lenses to arrive and it works pretty good. The autofocus probably isn't as good for moving subjects as a native e mount lens would be but for everyday photography of still subjects it should do just fine. I actually tested the same lens on my Canon SL2 and then on the Sony with the 7 artisans adapter and the autofocus worked nearly the same. I switched back and forth focusing on 2 different objects and couldn't really see a difference in speed. Not bad a $70 adapter
For sure. There's definitely been some improvement there.
I bought the MC-11 for my a7III and yes, all my Sigma lenses work wonderfully with it. Granted I don't actually own a native lens yet so don't really have a point of comparison, but just know that I have no issues. (I have not tried anything with video but have seen enough from other reviewers like Peter Greg, to assume that it is probably abysmal.) One lens that I did stick on that I rarely take off -and it isn't even a Sigma, is Canon's Nifty Fifty 50mm f/1.8 (which costs half of what I paid for the MC-11). That combo really works very good and makes the camera actually 'fun' to use since it makes for an almost point-and-shoot system, at least compared to the 5D IV (and Tamron 15-30) that I am usually lugging around.
Randy, I have the same setup and I encounter this problem:
When I shoot on Continuous MID or HI/HI+, the AF freezes locks on the first subject and locks only after I release the shutter.
In Continuous Lo, the AF and Eye AF track the subject fairly ok.
I don't use AF on Shutter button.
I just don't know if this is the way the MC-11 is supposed to work, or I have a faulty camera.
I think the MC-11 is limited with certain combinations in trying to keep up with action at higher burst speeds. That requires a lot of computing power.
That's interesting, as I haven't found the 50mm f/1.8 STM works all that well. Which version of the 1.8/50 are you using?
You know, I am not really sure. I DID just pick it up about 3 weeks ago though, so I am assuming it has the latest firmware loaded. Looking at the paperwork is says 'EF50 1:1.8 STM" only.
Mr Dustin which adapter you suggest for a canon ef 50mm 1.2 L lens combined with a sony a7c?
I haven't tested that particular combination, but the MC-11 was my favorite adapter overall.
@@DustinAbbottTWI just ordered it, thanks a lot for helping us out
Thanks for the video
You're welcome.
Hi Dustin - Can you please put the Loxia series on your "to do" review list. They seem to be the perfect size (for the A7R3) and beautifully built. I'm curious if they take full advantage of the 42MP sensor. Thanks in advance, Mike
I'll get around to them, for sure. I've got a pretty long list of potential reviews at the moment.
Thank you for the detailed review of these two adapters, found this information very useful. Overall your results agree with the general consensus in that the adapted lenses are fine for casual photography but not great for paid shoots where speed is of the essence. Anxious to see how well the soon to be released (hopefully) Sigma E-Mount adapted lenses perform and how they compare to OEM lenses. It would be interesting to see how the Sony/Zeiss 50 MM 1.4 you recently tested performed at the wedding, my guess is that this lens was already returned to the lender and unfortunately not available. The focus accuracy difference between the Canon 6D and the 5DMIV using the 35MM F1.4 II is puzzling.
You're right about the Planar 50mm, though I'm working at trying to get one of those for my own kit anyway. I'm hoping that by the time the 50mm ART FE lens releases I will have that for comparison.
Usually the cameras make a bigger difference to focusing than the lenses do. The cameras keep improving their autofocus performance over time... Lots of lenses work way better adapted onto Sony bodies than they work on native Canon bodies for example...
Very helpful review, thank you!
My pleasure.
Thanks Dustin. Great review. I'm a big fan of the the Metabones V and Canon 24-70 f/2.8L II on my A7R3 - Focus accuracy and the sharpness/contrast/color of the photos is outstanding.
M Allred that’s what I was looking for someone with metabones and canon 24-70
Combo, did you try it in low light? 24-70 and sigma mc-11 struggles a little in dim light- thanks!
I tried both. For me, the Metabones was much better than the mc-11 with Canon lenses. I also tested both in "darker" rooms and performance was "good" with Metabones. Overall, the image quality vs AF performance tradeoff is totally worth it with this combo. Hope that helps.
Mike guitar I used the 24-70 with the A6500 and it performed amazingly well except in pitch black conditions. Would highly recommend. I got rid of it because it didn't serve my purposes but it's a great pick with the metabones v
sure ! it helped me thanks a lot
thanks buddy
Hi Dustin ! Are there any reviews in the near future using any of lens adapters with Sigma lenses , too mirrorless cameras back to Fuji xt3 xt4 camera bodies ? Big Thanks ! ...Curtis Byrd' Eyes View Photos Images
I have no immediate plans for something like that.
Okay , but if anyone will do it , would be you , Dustin ! Looking forward to your next review . And "Thank you" for your reply back ! ....Curtis Byrd
I shoot action. Indoors with strobes… I’m wondering how well a metabones would work with a Sigma 120-300/f2.8… particularly the AF on 10FPS… since we have no actual Sony mount professional long telephoto lenses
Unfortunately I don't have your answer to that.
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Hi Dustin have a questions:
I have the MC-11 but I did find that if the Canon or Sigma lens has IS it disables to "IBIS" even if its switched OFF on lens.
I also tried Viltrox Mark V EF-E5 this seems to have the IBIS on across all lenses (Steady Shot is always ON) this was
greyed out on the IS lenses using the MC-11 adapter.
I was wondering, which would be a better options between the Viltrox EF-E5 or the MC-11 in terms of performance if
we want to use both IBIS with Canon IS. According to Metabones, says that it works with both IS and IBIS together
and can be turned ON or OFF via adapter switch.
My camera is the Sony A6500
Hmmm, I'm not sure about that. I have used a lot of lenses on the a6500 in the past with the MC-11 and thought that it worked fine. I would try sending that question to Sigma.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Will do that do you know where I find the support to send that request?
I'm shooting with an A7RIII, and I want to invest in a quality range of glass with the future flexibility to use other systems like a BMPCC4k, XT3/XH1, or Panasonic S1H without needing their own new glass. Is performance of lens adaptation good enough to invest in Canon/Nikon glass + Metabones/Novaflex/Vello? My needs are almost entirely based on staged/studio shots - action isn't really something I'm interested in.
I love the idea of using the best available glass and not be trapped in any system, but I'm worried I'd be setting myself up to be disappointed if my shooting interests change in the future.
There are no guarantees when it comes to future change, obviously. The MC-11 works well with Canon EF on Sony, but I can't account for other systems.
Generally speaking, Canon (or 3rd-party Canon-mount) glass is the most adaptable to other brand name camera bodies.
Have you tried the Tamron 15-30 with either adapter ? if so do you see corners pretty sharp wide open or coma when doing night photography with stars ?
I've definitely used it with the MC-11, and yes, the corners were sharp.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you I just picked up an a7sII for low light and researching a great lens the sigma 14-24 and the Tamron 15-30 are pretty high on my list
Dustin, any update on the metabones with canon lenses after some firmware updates?
The biggest change has been through the Sony firmware. I find all adapted lenses working better after the most recent camera firmware updates, though there's still some variance depending on what camera you are using. a9 series is the best, followed by RIV, a73, etc...
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks Dustin. A colleague wonder if she would go with the sony A73 adapted or the eos R. I like sony's ability to recover the RAWs is good and what she likes.
Hey man! Nice channel!! I would like to make you a question. I'm going to buy a Sony a7 iii (I'll leave Canon), but I can't buy native lenses now (😑💸) So I plan to use my EF lenses: Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC y Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC. According to what you say, ¿do you recommend to buy they MC11? Or there is another adapter which can works better? Thanks my friend!!
To my knowledge, the MC-11 is still a very good choice, though I’ve spent much less time with adapters in the past two years as there has been so much development of lenses for Sony
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks my friend!
I was using MFT with speed booster, but adapted lenses are not optimized as native lenses. The reason I was using a speed booster is MFT limits the expression of 'bokehcious' feeling, but For FE-mount, I think the reason why people use adpated EF lenses over the native is the money. Sony FE lenses are somewhat pricey and there are no alternative like legacy film slr lenses. I hope tamron and sigma to release more FE native lenses.
Your point is valid. A lot of the good Sony lenses are very expensive.
Time will solve the price of native lens problem, but in the long run we are all dead. I wonder which will come first ; good peformer CanNikon mirrorless body or cheap, cost-efficient Sony FE lenses.
That's a valid question.
Thanks so much for the review. Dustin. I am surprised that as of Aug 2018 there are something like 40 dislikes. I guess they feel that you were lying about your opinions or something. People are just weird.
Sometimes people don't like the outcome, which I have no control over. I just try to report the facts. To be fair, however, there are over 400 likes, so a 10:1 ratio isn't bad.
True: I guess it is just a case of them shooting the messenger. Anyway, I am just happy that it looks like you may have saved me some serious $$$ from going the adapted route. Thanks again for the effort you put in to making the video.
Like and dislike shape what gets recommended to you yourself. It is not an indicator of quality. I can imagine some people just wanting to guide their recommendations away from this particular subject... All activity (upvote, downvote, comments, views) serves to get the video more attention in general. In other words, voting up or down are both activities that will make the video more visible to others but it will shape what you get recommended.
I love my 70 200mm g2 tamron. Refuse to sell it though AF is not the best on my a7r3 body.
I'm really hoping that Tamron will develop their own MC-11 type adapter.
So I'm considering the Sony A7rii rather than the riii due to cash restrictions... my question is how well does this review compare to A7rii? will the sigma adapter work as well as it does on the A7riii? sorry if that's confusing :/
I'm afraid that nothing works as well on the RII as it's focus system is not nearly as good as the third generation cameras. It's a great camera in a lot of other ways, but not in the focus department.
both adapters metabones mk4 and Sigma MC-11 on the Canon 70-200 2.8 Mk2 hunts alot - more so on the MC-11 and slight improvement using the metabones Mk4. I realise no one talks about this lens on the adapter.
The problem with reviewing adapters is that it is always a moving target between firmware updates either to the adapters, cameras, and even lenses.
Abbott both adapters were updated with the latest firmware when I tested them and it was frustrating esp on a job. Because I reside outside the US and its not as easy to sell and trade my decision and action is not as easy to switch back or send back. So I am leaning towards buying the eos r and selling the sony a73 and keep my canon glass
Video @ 10:05 "Oops !" - Holy cow, almost a disaster❗
That expensive 100-400mm Canon L zoom almost bought the farm; pretty sure my heart skipped a beat...❤
I've had a few moments like that over time.
Hi Dustin, thanks for your helpful review. Quick question, i am planning to get a7iii + metabones V + tamron 70-200 g2? I shoot Hiphop dance contest mainly, what do you think of focus accuracy as well as focus speed of this combo for that specific purpose? Can i count on them for capturing critical moments?
Accuracy will be fine, but not focus speed at this moment. I would say no.
The Native to e-mount Tamron 70-180 f2.8 cost less than the metabones and foreign lens combo.
is there a big difference between continuous focus under the video? thanks
I haven't tested recently, but, back then, neither was very good with video AF.
It's not true that MC-11 does not works with APS-C Canon lenses. It works perfectly and recognise them automatically.
Not EF-S mount. They don't physically fit. Third party lenses use an EF, not EF-S mount.
@@DustinAbbottTWI You are right. I have been confused as I use a Sony 8-16 for Canon EFS that attach and works perfectly with MC-11. Sorry. It's amazing I can attach this lens to the Sony full frame and not on the Canon Full frame.
A lot of people (most?) who buy the mc-11 but a third party tripod foot,which pairs with the mc-11
Interesting. I’ve not seen that in the past.
Hi Dustin,
Great videos they are very helpful. I am thinking about upgrading my Canon T3i to a Sony A7iii but I have the Tamron 85mm VC and 35mm VC lenses as well as a Canon 50mm 1.8 and a couple Canon aps-c lenses (55-250mm and Rokinon 8mm fisheye). so my question is, will auto focus with the metabones adaptor and my Tamron lenses on the Sony A7iii be reliable enough for weddings?
Accuracy, yes, speed? It depends on your expectations.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks for the reply. Well I was hoping it would be on par with canon or maybe just a little bit behind. I am mostly worried about missing important moments. Maybe I should stick with a canon body for reliability?
If you want to stick with your Canon lenses, yes. Adapted lenses work quite well in many situations, but I've shot weddings with adapted lenses and been frustrated when focus wouldn't settle in critical moments.
Hi Dustin, I hope you can answer this, regarding the MC-11 and the A7III.
I just got my first Sony yesterday and I'm struggling with the Drive Mode and Continuous shooting.
Would you explain how the actual AF should work while on MID or HI/HI+?
The AF (and Eye AF) will lock and not work when I keep the shutter pressed down. The moment I release it, AF-C starts working beautifully.
Also, when in Continuous Shooting Lo, AF works.
I do have the the AF with shutter button disabled. I use back button focus.
Thanks a lot!
The MC-11 may not support AF beyond certain burst speeds with a particular lens. That's requiring a lot of computing that may stretch the limits of what it is capable of.
Thank you for replying so quickly. Are you able to get AF on Mid or Hi bursts?
I need to specifically test for that.
I just tried a Sony lens. AF worked without limitations. So the MC-11 limits the AF on HI and Mid FPS .
Dear Dustin, request u to do a video on canon lenses on Sony a7r4. Thanks much
I did cover that in my autofocus clinic episode on the RIV
I wonder how does the Metabones work with Carl Zeiss Milvus? I hope it comes with accurate data.
It should work fine and report EXIF data without issue.
Best adapted long, variable aperture zoom experience I've had on the A9 and A7rIII is the Tamron SP 150-600 G2 A-mount on the firmware updated LAEA3 adapter. The new f/11 min OSPDAF does well. Still requires decent light but that lens requires decent light, anyway. It is a viable combination, though.
That may be true, but who is buying A mount lenses these days?
Dustin Abbott haha! No, seriously, that A-mount lens in particular sells surprisingly well. There are plenty of A-mount users who converted over and picked up either the LAEA3 or 4 and made their merry way with a very nice collection of glass. The Zeiss 24, 50, 85, and 135 lenses are all superb, with the 85 and 135 requiring the built-in motor of the LAEA4 to AF... In any case there are still very few 400mm+ considerations for E-mount and both the MC-11 and Metabones Fifth Gen suffer from power degradation with heavy glass. The LAEA3 handles the SP 150-600 G2 with surprising grace on the new gen III / A9 systems. I have the A7s and access to pretty much whatever I want from Sony... And I have 4 adapters (down from 6), including the MC-11 and metabones and LAEA3. If we're looking for the best long glass experience, what's another adapter? *shrug* no big deal except for the expense. At least the lens is priced fairly and has decent secondary market value.
I can definitely attest that the Metabones and MC-11 don't push longer glass very well. I know very little about A mount, and am unlikely to find out, as it seems that pretty much everyone has abandoned development for it (including Sony!)
What about using the newer Tamron lenses. Do those work well with either adapter?
Not bad, but nothing like Sigma lenses with the Mc-11. I wish Tamron would produce it's own adapter.
Dustin Abbott that would be smart for Tamron to do!
I have an A7II and have heard that the Commlite does no Auto Focus on the A7II. Have you heard anything about this? Thanks
I don't particularly like the Commlite adapters myself. I do own one, but I rarely use it.
I'd love to hear your opinion on the Metabones Speed booster! I bought an Ultra .71x Canon EF to MFT mount for a Panasonic GH5. Also bought the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8. Love them both, but I'm am much more of a video guy.
Thanks for all your detailed and informative videos!
The Speedboosters are obviously for a certain demographic (M43 is where they are most popular). I did review a Speedboster in my first adapters segment.
Hi Dustin. I have a Sony A6400 and bought a Sigma 30mm f1.4 Contemporary DC DN lens Micro 4/3 (in error), Which cannot fit my camera obviously. What is the best and most cost efficient adapter would you recommend?
I'm not aware of such an adapter.
Dustin Abbott OK
how do both adapters perform with canon non-L lenses ? 50 1.4, 70-300 usm ii ? and do they work with EF tokina or tamron lenses ?
I haven't tested every lens, so I can't comment.
Hello Dustin. I've tried to use my nifty fifty canon lens + mc-11 with off camera flashes. The issue is that when I set my f number to f2 or slower the camera makes a photo with a big delay. When using native lens like 85mm f 1.8 it works fine. I have sony a7II, godox Xpro-S transmitter and 2 godox tt600s flashes. What am I doing wrong?
I don't have the answer to that. I've not tried that combination, and don't have enough experience with strobes on Sony yet. Perhaps someone else will chime in.
Dustin Abbott I hope yes. I'll try to make some video of the issue. I can share it with you if you wish.
Are speedbooster adapters better ?
Better for what? Not for general AF, as the adapter is having to do even more.
Is one of these quieter then the other? i need silent shooting, have a metabones . It can be a bit noisy when focusing some times
The adapter doesn't make any noise. It has no moving parts, will all depend on the lens itself.
Sean is correct. If you are hearing noise, it isn't from the adapter. Many DSLR lenses have a focus system designed for Phase Detect autofocus. USM-type focus motors aren't as quiet as stepping or linear motors on mirrorless bodies.
Hello. I have sony a6400 camera. Which adaptore works very well with tokina 10-17 lens? Mc11 or metabones v? Thank you so much for advise.
I've not tested that combination at all, so I don't know that I could give a recommendation.
You probably mean the Tokina 11-16? It works fine with the MC-11.
Would a canon mount Tamron work with the Sigma adapter on a Sony a7?
It probably will work, though I can't comment on how good the autofocus would be.
I really hope Canon’s rumored FF mirrorless is native EF. I’m sure they will disappoint us with something.
I don't know how they are going to handle that, but I agree that having existing EF lenses work natively is going be very important to their success.
The shorter focal flange distance between the sensor and lens mount due to mirrorless design wouldn't allow native EF lenses to focus to infinity correctly even. So they have to design a new flange mount and lenses system to accommodate the reduced distance.
Nice review. I´d like to read your comments about the new SONY A6400 and A7RIV AF experience using E mount adapters.
I've already covered the a6400, but I'll definitely be evaluating the a7RIV with adapters.
please help me which one should i get? metabones fifth generation or sigma mc 11. sill confused for those adapter. which one is the BEST?
I personally like Sigma better.
Dustin Abbott is that right that Sigma is quite slow at auto focus in video mode?
will these work with vintage ef film lenses?
If they have electronic contacts, I don't see why not
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks