Order the Sony a7 III at sdp.io/a73. TABLE OF CONTENTS: 0:30 Sony a7 III vs Sony a7 II (sdp.io/a7ii) 1:20 Sony a7 III vs Sony a7R II (sdp.io/a7r2) 2:35 Sony a7 III vs Sony a9 (sdp.io/a9) 5:00 Sony a7 III vs Sony a7R III (sdp.io/a7r3) 6:22 Sony a7 III vs Fujifilm X-H1 (sdp.io/xh1) 10:17 Sony a7 III vs Canon 6D Mk II (sdp.io/6d2) 14:54 Sony a7 III vs Nikon D750 (sdp.io/d750) 17:32 Sony a7 III vs Panasonic GH5 (sdp.io/gh5)
Tony & Chelsea Northrup Thank you for your excellent comparison, Tony! But I’ll happily buy you a beer if do an actual IQ comparison between the Miii and Canon’s 5D series, plus what has been your experience with adapting the Canon 70-200 to your RIII? What is your opinion about the Sony 70-200 2.8? I’ve already started selling off my Canon gear, based on the assumption that replacing my Canon 5DMiii (back up, sold) and Mark IV with Sony MIII and RIII will deliver better image quality overall, all other things being equal -I shoot weddings and portraits. I have the RIII on pre order.
A full frame sensor with the same pixel count is inherently 2x better than APS-C? Cmon man...that’s just plain jackass/bonehead logic lol. You’re bs’ing a lot of people who don’t know better, only to get residual income from link sales, and you know it. Hopefully people actually compare pics from this camera and others themselves before purchasing. Also, let us all know the last time you saw a beautiful photo and immediately dismissed it as it an APS-C sensor image? Or the last time you did the same to a FF image because it wasn’t medium format lol? Go ahead and take your time to think...we can wait...
Антон Павлов Reach harder. A good pix is a good pic, even tho your reply is absurd. The size differences ratios are wildly different lol. I’m guessing you went to that extreme because you can’t tell the difference between pics taken with FF or APS-C sensors, but feel free to justify buying inferior Sony cameras however you like. It’s your money lol.
Michael The Maven Does a7Rii and a7Riii provide the exact same image quality? I already own an a9 and I have been thinking about getting another camera for group shots during weddings.
Tony I got hooked on your channel when you did the video on the Mitakon lens smoking a cigar.... Lol. Always great teaching but still entertaining. In that video I learned the difference between f stops and t stops. Here again with this great gear comparison I'm excited about getting the A7iii. Even though it's not a full frame lens and not native, I got my eye on the Sigma 16mm 1.8 (a little over $400) as a starter for doing my video work. By the time the upcoming Sigma full frame lenses come out I will have made enough to get their 24mm (they may be cheaper than the G masters and cool alternatives). Thanks and keep 'em coming!
You can use Canon lenses on Sony bodies with the excellent Metabones adapter. And they will work even better too thanks to sensor stabilization and eye focusing (no risk missing focus with the short DOF on 85 1.2).
Thanks for the video Tony. I'm not going to bother reading the other comments,. but I bet people are ripping on you for trying to say nice things about the 6DmkII. I really am glad you pointed out how frustrating the tightly clustered AF points are. No 4K was not the only thing that Canon messed up on that camera; using the AF system from an APS-C camera on a full frame sensor without adding more points or at least spreading them out was a HUGE mistake, and in my opinion cripples it for stills. (though it is pretty great on the 80D) BTW - SDP is pretty awesome, I would suggest it to anyone. Had a lot of fun reading it. I have the Lightroom book too, not as fun to read, but serves as a great technical manual for the program.
I am a casual photographer. I moved from Nikon to Sony with the A7II and I have been building my version of awesome gear over time. I really appreciate Tony's in depth and detailed reviews. But this video is the reason I keep coming back. Holy cow, Tony, you really get in to the weeds but you also speak to all levels of photographers and not just Pros. I love it that you provide discussion points and you do it directly to me.Thank you so much for this video. I am fortunate that I can look to you when I want to spend some money. Thanks you
@@alyssamakesamigurumi That doesn't make sense to me. Articulating screen is an articulating screen whether it is on a full frame body, aps-c or m43. And Panasonic is rocking the articulating screens. And Sony also decided not to put the articulating screen on the latest a6400 and a6600, which are not full frame (so even if Canon has a patent for full frames only, it wouldn't have stopped them), but instead went for a flip up screen. Weird choices.
Hey Tony & Chelsea Northrup, you guys are doing a great job! I joined in watching your videos about 8 months ago and y'all have blown me away with the way you come at reviews and the community that you've built. Listen but don't worry about the critics. Sony has been cranking out amazing cameras so far these last few months; the A7RIII, A9, and now the A7III. But Before that you were praising (for good reason) the Nikon D850 which is a great camera, and you still tote the Panasonic GH5 if only for its video capabilities. Plus, if you were truly a sellout you wouldn't be using Blackmagic Studio cameras in your studio there (I'm a videographer by trade). Don't listen to the trolls they just need somewhere to be heard! Keep on fighting the good fight and putting out amazing videos!
Some of these posters are out of line. They seem solely focused on proving you wrong about something instead of wanting what most likely, if even that, was an honest misstatement. I enjoy your channel and take your insights to heart.
I shoot all Canon and have the 5D Mark IV, but just pre-ordered the a7III and also bought the Sigma MC-11 (which I just got in). I updated the firmware on it before even testing it out on my wife's a6000 with my Sigma 24-105. Even though I've only used her Sony a few times, the Sigma lens seemed to work just as well as her kit lenses that she carries around.
That's a very important point that you have to think about the price of the lenses for the A7III, especially the high quality lenses if you want to get the best image quality out of the camera. Many people were hyped when Sony announced the A7II because of the many features for a very good value for the money so they wanted to buy these camera. But they don't think about the high prices for Sony FE mount lenses.
except what isn't really appreciated is that the Sony lenses will hold their ground with high end glass from Nikon/Canon (which are more of less all the same price). Yes you can get a cheaper kit from Nikon and Canon but long term if you're serious about photography, you'll be upgrading to L glass, Sony (at the moment) cut out the middle step and give give you the best option. i would imagine if you were to create a Sony kit and a Canon kit with similar quality glass the prices would be more or less the same.
Do not forget there are some great adaptors for the Sony that allows one to use the Canon Lens which is also a important note that Tony forgot to mention.
I believe Sony's lenses are similarly priced compared to Nikon and Canon's similar quality lenses. But Sony, as of now, does not have much cheaper lenses. But that will change eventually.
Thank you Tony for making this. I am just starting to get into photography and I was thinking of getting a A7 I later this year. You've convinced me to save a little more and jump straight to the III
I was excited when I saw this, until I didn't see Pentax's K1 or ii on the list. That camera is still listed as your current best landscape camera which means you should really consider comparing it even if that targets a much smaller market.
So many comments about "~2X image quality". Its not an exact scale. Probably a poor use of terms but Tony was just generalizing the benefits of Full frame over APS-C (Bokeh, Cleaner images, better at lower light). SO take it for what it is - a video of the A7 III vs lots of the competition and not an exact scientific apples to apples comparison. Tony has repeatedly enjoyed using Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Sony so all the sell out comments are completely over the top too, considering all reviewers on UA-cam place Sony ahead of the game. And for full disclosure, I'm quite happy shooting with my Canon 5D3. Of course Tony knows what he meant and just gets on with it, so doesnt need nuts like me defending him either, lol.
Great accurate comparisons. For some of us, there are some nuances that are big deals - that can make or break what we are trying to accomplish so appreciate the comparisons.
Can't wait for the video on the adapters. It seems like they have really caught up with the newer focusing system on the a7riii and presumably on the a7iii. Looking forward to it. Holding off pulling the trigger on the a7iii until I see what you have to say on adapting lenses with this generation.
Panasonic G9? Too bad you didn't include this in your comparisons. For those who find M43 enough, the G9 gives the a7iii a serious challenge, feature for feature. But as you say, you can't go wrong with any of the cameras you discussed. Great time in the history of photography to be a photographer!
Seems like the G9 (also the Olympus em1 mark ii) isn't getting much love now that Sony's A7 III and Fuji's X-H1 are out. I own the G9 and the feature set and IQ is fantastic. Tony's price figure of $9,000 for the A7III and three lenses will be far greater than my overall costs for my G9 kit. It appears M43 cameras are still having trouble earning respect amidst their FF and APS-C peers. (I did note that Tony mentioned the GH5, but that is much more video-centric, whereas the G9's feature set much more matches the Sony and Fuji.)
A balanced review with an important tagline: mostly doesn’t matter! The point about factoring in costs for lenses and thus looking at the overall costs of ownership is often overlooked in other reviews.
Tony, you can't just say a sensor that has 2x the surface area has two times the IQ as though it is some demonstrable linear relationship. (To be clear, I'm not questioning that full frame is capable of higher IQ.) Is there some place you've expanded on this? Maybe provided sample images the demonstrate what 2x IQ looks like to you? I'm not a hater. I'm genuinely curious about this.
Yeah, does this mean that all medium format cameras have 2x the image quality of full frame? So I can go grab a hasselblad H1, and given that altruistic statement, shoot images that have 2x the quality even the very best, smaller sensors? The folks defending this statement by simply stating the sensor is twice as big... it's just the poorest possible argument.
Agreed. It's hardly a linear relationship. Tony would also have you think that a FF sensor collects more light than an APSC because it's simply a larger sensor. Also wrong.
Indeed, Elliott. It's not really an argument at all. That's why I'm curious as to how he arrived at it. If he's using "2X IQ" as shorthand for a one stop advantage in noise and DR, for example, then the statement seems misleading to me.
no need fool frame,Olympus had goal as Global Shutter then they will do something to revolve still photo, panasonic had goal as 8K centric cemera, do you know M4/3 alway done best for photographer & cinematoghaper.
Nice good luck :) i had the D3200 when i started. much fun, but you won't look back once you upgrade :) I upgraded to the D7200 about a year ago. The raw files next to eachother don't look too different...but the ease of shooting drasticly increases when moving up from the D3200.
I looked at the D3300, but instead bought a refurbished D7100, so glad I did; all the controls are dials, not bured in the menus. Consider buying a 7100 or 7200 refurb with maybe a 18-55 AF-P, then add primes as you can. The low light primes (35, 50, 85 1.8's) are decent and won't break your bank.
Hi Tony, did you have a chance to use A7III at typical studio/strobe settings (ISO100, 1/125-1/160, f/8-f/11)? If so, could you comment on the Eye-AF performance compared to A7RIII? A7RIII Eye-AF tends to struggle quite a bit at f/8 in a studio, so I was wondering if A7III performs better. Thanks!
Canon shooter here. Pre-ordered the Sony a7III. Would love to see a FF Canon EF-Mount mirrorless so will keep my Canon glass for a while. But only a while (
I'm so over Canon at this point. Will keep my glass, but buying a sony 7r3 asap. Was going to wait for the 5dsr2, but I doubt dynamic range will be high enough for me.
Hi I want to be able to take interior real estate photos in low light conditions, would the Sony A7 lll be a good option, if so which wide angle len would you recommend?
Thanks Tony, so I've never used full frame camera before and all my favorite lens I own is the 18-35mm art, I'm curious to know if I can use that on the a7iii on the apsc mode for still photography and be able to get a respectable image quality for a paid project. I just got the a6500 and I'm debating to whether I should send it back to get the a7iii or keep it. I do photography and enjoy using the video features for filmmaking. Really appreciate your help
Adrian Pocea: nope, not $500 - actually it's $830 more (2300€). I guess that's why we get them early ;-) But at least they throw in a 5 year full warranty, including any damage you inflict yourself...
Anna Stelzer: I've been shooting SONY for 3 years now, so I own lots of lenses already. All but one of them (Sigma 1.8/18~35 Art for my a6500) are fast primes (e.g. Samyang XP 1.2/85) and only 2 of them are native E-mount (Samyang AF 1.4/35 FE & Samyang AF 1.4/50 FE), all others are Canon (I've shot Canon for 40+ years) or EF-mount Sigma lenses from 15 to 300mm, adapted w/ a Metabones IV and Viltrox Speedbooster II. If I had to buy one lens for the a7III it would probably be the Samyang AF 1.4/35 - it's an amazing lens and just as good as the Sony/Zeiss 1.4/35 :-)
You have certainly upset a few people and I can see why. Saying 2.25x better needs clarification. A larger sensor does not mean better quality, just a larger field of view, given everything else is equal. The A73 has larger pixels so you would expect better ISO performance and dynamic range as its receiving more light per pixel. But its a trade off at the expense of reduced resolution per pixel. This A73 wouldnt be good for wildlife, portrait, architectural photographers and more, just those shooting in low light conditions like nightclub photography etc.
Tony, i really appreciate you videos and have learnt loads from you and Chelsea but 2x better image quality just because it's 2x bigger is absolute tosh.
Ha Ha! It's great for me too as I use Nikon so I reckon in a few months all the shops will be flooded with used Nikon & Canon bodies & lenses meaning they will be cheap as chips, can't wait!
I was thinking of getting a Sony a7 iii but I have heard so many problems with it such as shutter not working etc so I’m now thinking about getting another Nikon
i feel like noone should buy a camera before photokina this year.. its like fuji xh1 comes out and it is awesome.. a week later the a7m3 comes out and blows everything away.. but canon still is in production for a mirrorless fullframe camera and the fuji x-t3 may come this year also. nikon and olympus are suspicious quite and i feel like they could surprise us. pentax just ruined their announcement this year with the k2 .. its like now people switching to sony and then canon comes with their mirrorless hybrid beast with crazy AF. And fuji bringing f1.8 zooms out.. i dont know man.. maybe we should all start shooting film to calm down..
This is a good point could sony know that canon has a camera coming out so are trying to move as many customers over to sony before photokina? Possibly...but I still don’t think it will be quite as good as the features Sony is offering- unless they could end up on par which could be why sony has introduced this not so basic model as such a stellar price who knows- but I would just say if you need a camera purchase the best option there is at the time you need it- otherwise your wasting 7 months of your life waiting for something that might not happen and even if it does you can’t get those 7 months back of creating, learning and personal development! :)
Exactly the cycle just continues & at some point you just have to commit and jump in! For the price point anybody who doesn’t already have a ff camera and is looking to get into the ff market are so lucky to get all those features at that price point as well as the new sigma glass that has been announced!
The mirrorless camera from Canon will almost certainly be less impressive than the A7III. Same for Nikon. The X-T3 will probably be really nice, but it will still be a crop sensor camera, and probably will still not have in-body stabilization. If anything actually comes out this year at that price point and beats the A7III... I mean, shit I'd be really happy, but I'll also be really surprised. As far as Sony, one of the main weaknesses has been the lack of lenses at a reasonable price. But as they become more popular, third-party manufacturers will start jumping all over it, so that issue will go away quickly. And by the time Canon/Nikon can match the A7III, Sony will come out with the A7IV and destroy them.
DeusExAstra these are my thoughts too :) I think the other point in Sony is being far more innovative and not holding back features like Canon- I would much rather be invested with Sony and enjoy all the new upgrades that come out in the future!
Solid review. What about weather sealing for the A7III? I shoot with a Pentax K3 and it's rugged. I've shot in rain and snowstorms without issue. The A7III is compelling, but anything I find about weather sealing says it's weaker than other models?
Canon 6D Mark II for $1900 lol. Because of taxes cameras are normally more expensive in Germany but with Canon's current cashback promo you can get the 6D Mark II here for 1535 euros. New Sony A7 III costs you 2300 euros. While I find the Sony more interesting, almost 800 euros difference are not bad.
First: Prices include vat in Europe, so prices LOOK cheaper in the united states than they actually are. Second: We get a lot better services from our governments, but that comes at a price of higher taxes. The rule of thumb in Europe is a vat of 20% with half that rate for education, food and other essentials. But it certainly drives up prices. Third: Currency fluctuations. Lastly, mostly because they can. Europeans are just willing to pay more for their stuff. We seem to buy not as much. we seem to cycle through products not as the same fast cycles as Americans do. BTW non-junk food is cheaper :p Walmart had to leave the german market because they could not compete. Education is a lot cheaper. Healthcare is a lot cheaper, etc … so it's not everything, it's mainly the luxury and professional equipment that's more expensive.
In Canada as well, Canon and Nikon are dumping their cameras. Every camera store I go into it's filled to the rafters with used Canon and Nikons, like never before. Staff at the three big camera stores in Toronto have told me they've never seen such massive pre-order numbers like they have for the A7iii.
In the meantime in Japan one of the largest camera stores "Map Camera" stated that the Nikon D850 and D7500 took the top two positions in cameras out of the top 10 sold by them.
Could you explain how the Sony a7 III is ~2x image quality compared to Fuji X-H1? What are your criteria or how are you coming up to that logic? Is it just the sensor size or is there something else that we should know. Not that I am interested in either camera, but I would like to understand how you compared the image quality? Did you do a real life photo comparison and what lenses did you use? In the last couple of years, I have not seen much difference in image quality for most new camera releases in the same price point category when you compare Sony, Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon. Thank you.
I think the statement is wrong that ff sensor is 2x better than crop. I own a9 and xt2 and their IQ is quite similar, except that a9 is superior in low light. But to say that the IQ is 2x better, ouch, that’s really misleading
Thanks for the video, great as always. Im glad that you mentioned the adapters at the end. I am curious to see how adapting Canon lens to the latest and greatest Sony bodies. If you could perhaps show in this upcoming video how they compare with the native equivalent Sony lens in speed and image quality. Thanks!
Agreed, Tony can you also review the Sony LA-EA3 & LA-EA4 adaptors as there are Sony A mount users that want to switch and use their A mount lenses (and there are a lot of A mount lenses out there) on the E mount bodies but the limitations of these adaptors (when Sony has the full access to everything) seems very odd. For example the LA-EA3 with focus set to AF-C doesn't continue to focus after the first frame is taken except on a9 or at 3 fps, Only 3 focus modes available, LA-EA4 only has 15 focus points, etc. Come on Sony think about the A mount users and improve these adaptors. Are the Metabones and Sigma MC-11 actually better than Sony's own adaptors.
Very helpful as always. When you do more A7 III videos, please include a section on auto focus in video mode with Sony native glass Vs Canon/Sigma glass using metabones/Sigma MC11 adapter. I have lots of Canon and Sigma glass, and the auto-focus in video mode would be very useful but only if it works well with my current glass.
Twice the image quality because the sensor is twice as large? You cannot really be serious. There is no way you'll be able to differentiate the Fuji XH1 image vs. the Sony A7 III image 99% of the time. Only in very low light maybe. But the Fuji Image will always have better colours without much editing.
Well, that point is still a bit murky - nobody really seems to know if the a7III has one or not. Ken Rockwell says it doesn't: > No anti-alias filter. Anti-reflection coated. www.kenrockwell.com/sony/a7-iii.htm
Very well-considered analysis. Going beyond simple specs to include things like UI, and recognizing that personal preferences vary. This is why I watch your channel.
Hi Tony, Great video! I just wanted to give you a some insight from a professional video standpoint... No one is using the Sony lenses for video, I shoot regularly on the Sony fs7 etc and i have never even seen anyone using the native sony lenses. Its adapted EF glass pretty much all over the place. Sure there are a few times when the autofocus is handy for voggers etc. Fly by wire is the main reason i wouldn't ever purchase them. Its still a big deal when your shooting documentary, or events. etc. Also im not speaking for everyone, just the industries i have worked in. AKA professional video world shooting documentaries to concerts to feature films. Just something to consider :). Thanks again.
I use the latest Viltrox Speedbooster II with various Canon L, Sigma and Samyang EF lenses (e.g. XP 1.2/85) and they work perfectly w/ great image quality. And the IrIX 2.4/15 and LAOWA 2/105 STF as well as adapted vintage Zeiss lenses (Sonnar 2.8/135, Planar 1.4/50) are also great w/ the Viltrox on my a6500. Some examples here: www.flickr.com/photos/mike-mkvip/albums/72157662230418338
@Sean O: As with most adapters, with some it does, with some it doesn't. For example I just came back from tesing my a7III with the Sigma 1.4/50 Art and while I was at it, threw the Sigma on my a6500 w/ the Viltrox booster to test it and it focused just fine in AF-C. The EF200/2.8L II also does...
You've pissed off Ken because of your 2x size = 2x quality statement :) Also i would like to see the discussion come to a conclusion; total light (Tony) vs light per unit area (Ken). I think the ball is on your side Tony, so please elaborate.
hey I have this camera but I'm a little confused cuz I'm new to Sony about the frame rate how I can set it to 120 p or 24 p there are only 25 and 100 !
One ridiculous statement is that it has 2x the IQ of the X-H1. I shoot with the a7rii, GFX and the X-H1 and even my a7rii RAW files nor JPG files don’t have 2x the IQ as the X-H1. That’s just an incorrect statement. Put the images side by side and let’s see that. I highly doubt it will be 2x the quality. The DR and the highlights and a detail that you can pull out of the X-H1 RAW files is quite impressive.
GE KO I use Lightroom and Capture One. I know who the sensor is made by. Sony also makes the sensor for the GFX and PhaseOne and others. Doesn’t mean they compare. It’s the X Processor that Fuji has. Also Fuji glass from my opinion is better than Sony’s and I shoot with the GMaster lenses. Not saying the the G lenses aren’t great lenses but Fuji glass is phenomenal.
he did a a wrong statement. :) there are thousands of images available online comparing both... I would say NOT EVEN CLOSE to 2X! maybe %10 percent holdin more details if you have good optics mounted on Sony otherwise cant tell the difference...
Your videos are always very helpful. Thanks. I go to a film school. I've used S2 and switched to R2, since I was taking many stills. Now I am shooting more films. I really miss A7S2 crazy ISO boost when I shoot for films at night, since I like night scape. I shoot photography and film weekly. I always wondered this. Should I just get USED A9 or should I wait for S3? I am trying to be aim for being professional with small crew. I know that A7III seems the best for price, but it is hard to go lower.
Great video! Looking forward to see the Sony-Canon adapters video, because I am thinking to upgrade from the original 6D to the A7III without selling my Canon lenses.
I will be mainly using it at events with 24-70mm f/2.8 II, Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art and the Canon 70-200mm f/4L IS. Reliability in autofocus is critical, speed and especially accuracy.
for sony you can download apps for the camera, which includes a time lapse app. It can stack images in camera while shooting to a mp4 file, which is insanely cool.
Telling people that IQ is proportional to sensor size is not only misleading but also totally wrong. Yes the sensor of the A7III is better than the one of the x-h1. But it's only due to the technology... And I'm sure that the difference is not 2.25.
Honestly Tony I feel like you have extremely under estimated the X-H1. The IBIS is worlds ahead of the A7III, atleast 3x as good in video. I encourage you to test this. FE lenses are huge even at comparable "crop factored" apertures, this is due to many things, but mainly once the focal length exceeds the flange distance you have lenses that are longer than Canon and Nikon FF lenses. On top of this the Sony lens line up is a mess, and what they do have that is even comparable to the excellent Fuji glass is extremely expensive, and huge. Also, I understand where are going with the 2x image quality, but it just isn't there in real use. The math is right, and the physics is undeniable. The issue is that only works when you compare just noise. I encourage you to check actual images at equivalent exposures. The colors hold together and the processing keeps the difference to about .5 stops is most situations to my eyes. Lets not forget that Sony's color science still leaves something to be desired. They have made strides with the A9, I don't know if the A7III is more similar to it or its predecessors. Either way it is at the end of the pack for consistency. I think the A7III is a great step for Sony, and a great Camera. But it is a huge system once you put any decent lenses on it, and for the cost you invested with G master lenses is just ridiculous.
I just wanted to come here and correct myself. After seeing a lot of images from the A7III I think you may really be right on the money about twice the IQ. I really hope the color science is carried over from the A9 as it was worlds ahead of the mk II frames. I have an A7iii on preorder and am excited to compare it to my XT-2 kit
Keep in mind that the 6Dii is usually sold at heavy discounts, because it would not sell without them. ^_^ $1,300 is not an unusual price. for the 6Dii
So I plan on getting one coming from Nikon bodies. I really want that Tamron 28-75 f2.8 but it's not out yet. The kit lens covers the same range so not getting that. Portraits are mainly what I shoot. Anyone have thoughts on a lens choice that will hold me for a few months???
Great camera but upgrade depends on need. I still shoot exhibits with the A7II, all fully manual and not battery sucking high volumes - point being if you want to get into ff, the superseded camera is a great option as they clear out the stock. For those on a tight budget, staying a generation back works at around half price from new if you shop around.
Tony(Anybody)do you recommend buying this camera at this point in time or waiting for the Sony A7IV? I’m coming from a Canon 80D and a working professional. I shoot mostly still images. Thanks!
Yeah, 2.25X the sensor size, with a newer sensor, means probably more than 2X image quality. I was being conservative. But, please, take some sample pictures and prove otherwise.
Tony & Chelsea Northrup That's not the way it works, the onus is on the person to defend or elaborate on a questionable. Without defining image quality, you made an unsubstantiated statement. I didn't realize my D810 had twice the image quality compared to my friend's D500 because it has twice the sensor size. But of course I know that is a false statement. I must say overall I do like many of your videos.
So, you took pictures, compared them and came to the conclusion that the sensor size contributes to a 2x better image quality? It is not just the sensor that affects the image quality Tony. So, if you put on your Tesla another electric motor & more batteries, will it become 2x faster? No. There are other factors such as aerodynamics, weight etc. Sometimes, 1+1 is not equal to 2. Please stop keep saying that on your videos. You are spreading wrong information.
Along with Chelsea, you two are by far have the best youtube channel when it comes to reviewing new cameras. Tony you're super thorough and quite impartial, and that means a lot when deciding what to buy. Myself I've pre ordered the A7III. Quite excited to jump from Canon to Sony, and being able see what all the Sony fuzz is about. Thank you for your channel!
I used to have much respect to this guy and watch and like many of his videos - but now it's painfully obvious that he became such a blatant Sony sell-out. It's is plain bizarre. Just watch him saying that A7III has 2x better IMAGE QUALITY than Fuji XH1! Helloo! Not to mention, for example, that we don't even HAVE raw samples of A7III tested, and those claims are nothing more than apsurd. It is really sad to see a man becoming THIS, from good, independent reviewer.
I don’t think he’s biased it’s just Sony are simply making the best cameras for the money and the only people that are complaining are the ones that have put their money into another brand and are now gutted to see what Sony are doing. Most of the top cinematic vids on UA-cam are made with Sony cameras. I changed to Sony last year and not looking back. ✌️
It's obvious they praise Sony... but have you noticed Tony loves his Nikon? I remember saying his go to camera is his D850. So you're saying that because the IQ is not 2x, he's Sony biased? That's a strong statement. Funny enough, he did say the Fuji is a better option if you want to shoot video. Don't get me wrong, I prefer objective reviews, but can't blame them for recommending Sony, after all, Sony's game is huge now. That said, he does point out not to rely on what he says, but be your own judge. He even said it in two different videos he can't recommend the A7III until people have tested it for at least 6 months.
Thans Mike, I was actually planning to get the A7RIII but it's too much of an investment right now. Hopefully once the A7III starts paying off, I'll get that 42mp beast! I do love Canon and their lenses, I think they are great! I've had Canon for over 10 years now, but hopefully Sony body + Sigma ART lenses will not disappoint!
Would you recommend the a7r iii for product photos with the pixel shift for website pictures with the zoom in feature for details. I also shoot video a lot.
What a nonsensical statement. 2x picture quality based on sensor size? I guarantee you would not be able to tell the difference in a blind test. So, based on that “logic” that means the Fuji GFX series of cameras are twice the image quality of any Sony FF product? Any doubt of you being a shill for Sony has been totally removed.
Definitely don't get advice about buying a cameras from people that post videos like this! I'm looking at two 12x19 inch prints on my wall. One from a crop Canon 7d & one from a full frame Canon 5d & the full frame photograph is most definitely not two times the "image quality". Go to your local camera store with your memory card & try the cameras & lenses for yourself & don't let professional UA-cam personalities who are probably no better than you at photography make up your mind for you.
I want to go to mirrorless, and the Sony a7 III seems like a good start. However, I have a concern that when you change lenses the sensor is exposed, unlike my DSLR, which concerns me not just about dirt on the sensor but possible damage. How do you find it?
Order the Sony a7 III at sdp.io/a73. TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:30 Sony a7 III vs Sony a7 II (sdp.io/a7ii)
1:20 Sony a7 III vs Sony a7R II (sdp.io/a7r2)
2:35 Sony a7 III vs Sony a9 (sdp.io/a9)
5:00 Sony a7 III vs Sony a7R III (sdp.io/a7r3)
6:22 Sony a7 III vs Fujifilm X-H1 (sdp.io/xh1)
10:17 Sony a7 III vs Canon 6D Mk II (sdp.io/6d2)
14:54 Sony a7 III vs Nikon D750 (sdp.io/d750)
17:32 Sony a7 III vs Panasonic GH5 (sdp.io/gh5)
Tony & Chelsea Northrup Thank you for your excellent comparison, Tony! But I’ll happily buy you a beer if do an actual IQ comparison between the Miii and Canon’s 5D series, plus what has been your experience with adapting the Canon 70-200 to your RIII? What is your opinion about the Sony 70-200 2.8? I’ve already started selling off my Canon gear, based on the assumption that replacing my Canon 5DMiii (back up, sold) and Mark IV with Sony MIII and RIII will deliver better image quality overall, all other things being equal -I shoot weddings and portraits. I have the RIII on pre order.
Tony & Chelsea Northrup, please make a video about just announced sigma art series lenses for sony e-mount.
A full frame sensor with the same pixel count is inherently 2x better than APS-C? Cmon man...that’s just plain jackass/bonehead logic lol. You’re bs’ing a lot of people who don’t know better, only to get residual income from link sales, and you know it. Hopefully people actually compare pics from this camera and others themselves before purchasing. Also, let us all know the last time you saw a beautiful photo and immediately dismissed it as it an APS-C sensor image? Or the last time you did the same to a FF image because it wasn’t medium format lol? Go ahead and take your time to think...we can wait...
Ben House, answer your question in terms of ff and mobile sensors with the same pixel count.
Антон Павлов Reach harder. A good pix is a good pic, even tho your reply is absurd. The size differences ratios are wildly different lol. I’m guessing you went to that extreme because you can’t tell the difference between pics taken with FF or APS-C sensors, but feel free to justify buying inferior Sony cameras however you like. It’s your money lol.
The A7Rii's sensor was far ahead of its time when released, still amazing almost 3 years later!
Michael The Maven Does a7Rii and a7Riii provide the exact same image quality? I already own an a9 and I have been thinking about getting another camera for group shots during weddings.
No they appear to be slightly different, even with the same sensor.
its seems half a stop DR better on the R3 but allmost the same IQ
The A7R3 colors are better, especially skin tones
This appears to be true. Ill have an Epic Shootout coming on the A7riii vs D850 soon
Tony I got hooked on your channel when you did the video on the Mitakon lens smoking a cigar.... Lol. Always great teaching but still entertaining. In that video I learned the difference between f stops and t stops. Here again with this great gear comparison I'm excited about getting the A7iii. Even though it's not a full frame lens and not native, I got my eye on the Sigma 16mm 1.8 (a little over $400) as a starter for doing my video work. By the time the upcoming Sigma full frame lenses come out I will have made enough to get their 24mm (they may be cheaper than the G masters and cool alternatives). Thanks and keep 'em coming!
I'm shopping for my first camera in 2021 from older models, this is SUPER helpful. Loving your content.
You can use Canon lenses on Sony bodies with the excellent Metabones adapter. And they will work even better too thanks to sensor stabilization and eye focusing (no risk missing focus with the short DOF on 85 1.2).
Thanks for the video Tony. I'm not going to bother reading the other comments,. but I bet people are ripping on you for trying to say nice things about the 6DmkII. I really am glad you pointed out how frustrating the tightly clustered AF points are. No 4K was not the only thing that Canon messed up on that camera; using the AF system from an APS-C camera on a full frame sensor without adding more points or at least spreading them out was a HUGE mistake, and in my opinion cripples it for stills. (though it is pretty great on the 80D)
BTW - SDP is pretty awesome, I would suggest it to anyone. Had a lot of fun reading it. I have the Lightroom book too, not as fun to read, but serves as a great technical manual for the program.
I've been waiting for this comparison mini review. Thank you.
I am a casual photographer. I moved from Nikon to Sony with the A7II and I have been building my version of awesome gear over time. I really appreciate Tony's in depth and detailed reviews. But this video is the reason I keep coming back. Holy cow, Tony, you really get in to the weeds but you also speak to all levels of photographers and not just Pros. I love it that you provide discussion points and you do it directly to me.Thank you so much for this video.
I am fortunate that I can look to you when I want to spend some money.
Thanks you
Still doesn't get why Sony doesn't make the tilt/swivel screen!!!?? If they did that Sony A7 mk 3 would be world domination...
GoneFishingStories I’m pretty sure canon has a patent on full frame cameras with a fully articulating screen, from what I’ve heard
@@alyssamakesamigurumi That doesn't make sense to me. Articulating screen is an articulating screen whether it is on a full frame body, aps-c or m43. And Panasonic is rocking the articulating screens. And Sony also decided not to put the articulating screen on the latest a6400 and a6600, which are not full frame (so even if Canon has a patent for full frames only, it wouldn't have stopped them), but instead went for a flip up screen. Weird choices.
canon holds patent.
@@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat How come Panasonic has one then?
THIS. And maybe Canon's UI.
Hey Tony & Chelsea Northrup, you guys are doing a great job! I joined in watching your videos about 8 months ago and y'all have blown me away with the way you come at reviews and the community that you've built. Listen but don't worry about the critics. Sony has been cranking out amazing cameras so far these last few months; the A7RIII, A9, and now the A7III. But Before that you were praising (for good reason) the Nikon D850 which is a great camera, and you still tote the Panasonic GH5 if only for its video capabilities. Plus, if you were truly a sellout you wouldn't be using Blackmagic Studio cameras in your studio there (I'm a videographer by trade). Don't listen to the trolls they just need somewhere to be heard! Keep on fighting the good fight and putting out amazing videos!
Some of these posters are out of line. They seem solely focused on proving you wrong about something instead of wanting what most likely, if even that, was an honest misstatement. I enjoy your channel and take your insights to heart.
Great comparison video Tony. Looking forward to the adapter video!
I shoot all Canon and have the 5D Mark IV, but just pre-ordered the a7III and also bought the Sigma MC-11 (which I just got in). I updated the firmware on it before even testing it out on my wife's a6000 with my Sigma 24-105. Even though I've only used her Sony a few times, the Sigma lens seemed to work just as well as her kit lenses that she carries around.
That's a very important point that you have to think about the price of the lenses for the A7III, especially the high quality lenses if you want to get the best image quality out of the camera. Many people were hyped when Sony announced the A7II because of the many features for a very good value for the money so they wanted to buy these camera. But they don't think about the high prices for Sony FE mount lenses.
tennistimmi sigma just announced 9 lenses for sony, and other brands also started to announced for auto focus lenses for sony
except what isn't really appreciated is that the Sony lenses will hold their ground with high end glass from Nikon/Canon (which are more of less all the same price). Yes you can get a cheaper kit from Nikon and Canon but long term if you're serious about photography, you'll be upgrading to L glass, Sony (at the moment) cut out the middle step and give give you the best option. i would imagine if you were to create a Sony kit and a Canon kit with similar quality glass the prices would be more or less the same.
Do not forget there are some great adaptors for the Sony that allows one to use the Canon Lens which is also a important note that Tony forgot to mention.
just use an adapter, and use the lens you want... the price will be the same :D
I believe Sony's lenses are similarly priced compared to Nikon and Canon's similar quality lenses. But Sony, as of now, does not have much cheaper lenses. But that will change eventually.
try "wasted Tony mode" - turn speed to 0.5
Best 42 minute comparison.
right?)))
0.75 is the sweet spot
OMFG that was ammmmaaaaazzzziiinnnnngggg.
Hahaha! That was very believable!
Thank you Tony for making this. I am just starting to get into photography and I was thinking of getting a A7 I later this year. You've convinced me to save a little more and jump straight to the III
Thanks for the video. I am upgrading soon. was going to stay with my canon and get the 6d mk2 but i think I'm going to get the sony and an adapter.
"2 x better image quality"...you just started a riot!
Steve Ferneyhough oh gosh.
I'll still hold on to my a7ii and I still love it as mainly a great still camera
I thought that until I tried out the a7 iii at Best Buy... now I’m jealous 😂
Would you recommend the Sony A7 III over the canon 5D IV? I will be using it mostly for travel blogging and lifestyle photography.
Great video guys,
Hopefully we can expect to see a Sony A7iii full tutorial from you guys in the not so distant future?
Thanks for the great insight
Just watch our a7R III tutorial it's the same thing.
Fujifilm xf56mm F1,2r, good bokeh on Fuji.... They actually have F1 appeture lenses too....
how did you quantify 2X big sensor is 2x better IQ (A7III vs. XH1)?
to be honest, it is a wrong statement.... From my experience, maybe %10 percent
i highly doubt he will say the GFX is 2x better IQ than his sony though, since medium format is twice as big sensor as FF.
if was easy to state like this, we wouldn't need any reviewers, just go bigger.
I was excited when I saw this, until I didn't see Pentax's K1 or ii on the list. That camera is still listed as your current best landscape camera which means you should really consider comparing it even if that targets a much smaller market.
Great video Tony - I wish I wasn't so invested in the Canon world!
So many comments about "~2X image quality". Its not an exact scale. Probably a poor use of terms but Tony was just generalizing the benefits of Full frame over APS-C (Bokeh, Cleaner images, better at lower light). SO take it for what it is - a video of the A7 III vs lots of the competition and not an exact scientific apples to apples comparison. Tony has repeatedly enjoyed using Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Sony so all the sell out comments are completely over the top too, considering all reviewers on UA-cam place Sony ahead of the game. And for full disclosure, I'm quite happy shooting with my Canon 5D3. Of course Tony knows what he meant and just gets on with it, so doesnt need nuts like me defending him either, lol.
Fantastic job T&C! These tangible comparison videos validate your lead in the online photographic community.
Great accurate comparisons. For some of us, there are some nuances that are big deals - that can make or break what we are trying to accomplish so appreciate the comparisons.
Can't wait for the video on the adapters. It seems like they have really caught up with the newer focusing system on the a7riii and presumably on the a7iii. Looking forward to it. Holding off pulling the trigger on the a7iii until I see what you have to say on adapting lenses with this generation.
Thank you Tony. You provide a good overview of these cameras.
Panasonic G9? Too bad you didn't include this in your comparisons. For those who find M43 enough, the G9 gives the a7iii a serious challenge, feature for feature. But as you say, you can't go wrong with any of the cameras you discussed. Great time in the history of photography to be a photographer!
Seems like the G9 (also the Olympus em1 mark ii) isn't getting much love now that Sony's A7 III and Fuji's X-H1 are out. I own the G9 and the feature set and IQ is fantastic. Tony's price figure of $9,000 for the A7III and three lenses will be far greater than my overall costs for my G9 kit. It appears M43 cameras are still having trouble earning respect amidst their FF and APS-C peers. (I did note that Tony mentioned the GH5, but that is much more video-centric, whereas the G9's feature set much more matches the Sony and Fuji.)
and A7III has less more video centric as same as rookie,oh no it better on ISO&DR.
A balanced review with an important tagline: mostly doesn’t matter! The point about factoring in costs for lenses and thus looking at the overall costs of ownership is often overlooked in other reviews.
good analysis. thanks for the update, effort and the sharing. thumbs up.
Hanging with my A7RII for now. I'll let others test drive the A7III.
Same, I'm waiting for the SIII
One of the major features of the XH1 is it's the first Fuji with IBIS. I would have thought that warranted a mention.
It's on parity with the Sony and I didn't mention features that they have in common.
Great stuff! I just bought Photog Anderson Cooper's book. Can't wait to go through it!
Way to be relevant, advance discussion, and foment the excitement! Thanks Tony!!!!
Tony, you can't just say a sensor that has 2x the surface area has two times the IQ as though it is some demonstrable linear relationship. (To be clear, I'm not questioning that full frame is capable of higher IQ.) Is there some place you've expanded on this? Maybe provided sample images the demonstrate what 2x IQ looks like to you? I'm not a hater. I'm genuinely curious about this.
Yeah, does this mean that all medium format cameras have 2x the image quality of full frame? So I can go grab a hasselblad H1, and given that altruistic statement, shoot images that have 2x the quality even the very best, smaller sensors?
The folks defending this statement by simply stating the sensor is twice as big... it's just the poorest possible argument.
Agreed. It's hardly a linear relationship. Tony would also have you think that a FF sensor collects more light than an APSC because it's simply a larger sensor. Also wrong.
Indeed, Elliott. It's not really an argument at all. That's why I'm curious as to how he arrived at it. If he's using "2X IQ" as shorthand for a one stop advantage in noise and DR, for example, then the statement seems misleading to me.
This was a good review. The price with the 24-70mm lens 👌
Wonderfull roundup, just what I needed.
Looking forward to the review on the Canon adapters! Great job on this review!!
If the GH4/GH5 was full frame, it would be the perfect camera.
no need fool frame,Olympus had goal as Global Shutter then they will do something to revolve
still photo,
panasonic had goal as 8K centric cemera, do you know M4/3 alway done best for photographer & cinematoghaper.
I am just starting out, so I am trying to buy a Nikon D3200 - used - for $250 CAD.
Nice good luck :) i had the D3200 when i started. much fun, but you won't look back once you upgrade :) I upgraded to the D7200 about a year ago. The raw files next to eachother don't look too different...but the ease of shooting drasticly increases when moving up from the D3200.
I looked at the D3300, but instead bought a refurbished D7100, so glad I did; all the controls are dials, not bured in the menus. Consider buying a 7100 or 7200 refurb with maybe a 18-55 AF-P, then add primes as you can.
The low light primes (35, 50, 85 1.8's) are decent and won't break your bank.
Hi Tony, did you have a chance to use A7III at typical studio/strobe settings (ISO100, 1/125-1/160, f/8-f/11)? If so, could you comment on the Eye-AF performance compared to A7RIII? A7RIII Eye-AF tends to struggle quite a bit at f/8 in a studio, so I was wondering if A7III performs better. Thanks!
Hi i am getting lot vignette using metabones adapter with canon 24-105 when i use A S P M mode but not on automatic mode whay whoild be that
Canon shooter here. Pre-ordered the Sony a7III. Would love to see a FF Canon EF-Mount mirrorless so will keep my Canon glass for a while. But only a while (
Michael Reif if your canon glass is FF then just adapt it to the Sony! A lot of Sony users prefer canon glass
Michael Reif metabones adapter all your lenses mate :)
I'm so over Canon at this point. Will keep my glass, but buying a sony 7r3 asap. Was going to wait for the 5dsr2, but I doubt dynamic range will be high enough for me.
Jeff Reber didn't know there was such a thing coming for Canon... I take it to want massive MP?
F your G: I certainly do - lots of L-glass on my SONY bodies with Metabones IV & Viltrox Speedbooster.
Everytime Tony says "sensor" you should speed up the video by 1.02x
Hi I want to be able to take interior real estate photos in low light conditions, would the Sony A7 lll be a good option, if so which wide angle len would you recommend?
Thanks Tony, so I've never used full frame camera before and all my favorite lens I own is the 18-35mm art, I'm curious to know if I can use that on the a7iii on the apsc mode for still photography and be able to get a respectable image quality for a paid project. I just got the a6500 and I'm debating to whether I should send it back to get the a7iii or keep it. I do photography and enjoy using the video features for filmmaking. Really appreciate your help
Great comparison, Tony - thanks .
My a7III will arrive on Tuesday - we get them early over here in Germany :-)
Adrian Pocea: nope, not $500 - actually it's $830 more (2300€). I guess that's why we get them early ;-)
But at least they throw in a 5 year full warranty, including any damage you inflict yourself...
Mike Theobald Which lense did you choose for it?
Anna Stelzer: I've been shooting SONY for 3 years now, so I own lots of lenses already. All but one of them (Sigma 1.8/18~35 Art for my a6500) are fast primes (e.g. Samyang XP 1.2/85) and only 2 of them are native E-mount (Samyang AF 1.4/35 FE & Samyang AF 1.4/50 FE), all others are Canon (I've shot Canon for 40+ years) or EF-mount Sigma lenses from 15 to 300mm, adapted w/ a Metabones IV and Viltrox Speedbooster II.
If I had to buy one lens for the a7III it would probably be the Samyang AF 1.4/35 - it's an amazing lens and just as good as the Sony/Zeiss 1.4/35 :-)
Since you shot with Canon for so many years, keeping price aside, would you wait for Canon 5ds r ii or get a7 iii right now? I'm trying to decide.
hi.Is it?I bought here in Norway also with 5 years Sony warranty for free.Is that warranty also againts damage?
You have certainly upset a few people and I can see why. Saying 2.25x better needs clarification. A larger sensor does not mean better quality, just a larger field of view, given everything else is equal. The A73 has larger pixels so you would expect better ISO performance and dynamic range as its receiving more light per pixel. But its a trade off at the expense of reduced resolution per pixel. This A73 wouldnt be good for wildlife, portrait, architectural photographers and more, just those shooting in low light conditions like nightclub photography etc.
thanks
Always appreciate your insights in Camera comparisons
Fantastic video! Found it to be very helpful! Thank you Tony.
Tony, i really appreciate you videos and have learnt loads from you and Chelsea but 2x better image quality just because it's 2x bigger is absolute tosh.
Please everyone go and buy sonys so I can have all the Nikon stuff to myself. Thanks
Ha Ha! It's great for me too as I use Nikon so I reckon in a few months all the shops will be flooded with used Nikon & Canon bodies & lenses meaning they will be cheap as chips, can't wait!
Thats is the future of Nikon and Canon ... junkyards.
I was thinking of getting a Sony a7 iii but I have heard so many problems with it such as shutter not working etc so I’m now thinking about getting another Nikon
@@darkshaman7087 did you get your nikon yet? Heard nikon is behind and crap now compare to sony and canon
@@harryvuemedia5106 I’m sticking to my old canon 6d as it’s awesome and built like a tank lol
Pls make a video on A7 iii vs Nikon D850, because with Tamron lenses It cost around the same.. please compare the dynamic range also.. TIA.
Does the New A7 III have a low pass filter? Sony website doesn't say? Does anyone know?
i feel like noone should buy a camera before photokina this year.. its like fuji xh1 comes out and it is awesome.. a week later the a7m3 comes out and blows everything away.. but canon still is in production for a mirrorless fullframe camera and the fuji x-t3 may come this year also. nikon and olympus are suspicious quite and i feel like they could surprise us. pentax just ruined their announcement this year with the k2 ..
its like now people switching to sony and then canon comes with their mirrorless hybrid beast with crazy AF. And fuji bringing f1.8 zooms out.. i dont know man.. maybe we should all start shooting film to calm down..
They may surprise us, but realistically, do you feel that they'll offer more, and better, than the A7iii, at this price point, at their first attempt?
This is a good point could sony know that canon has a camera coming out so are trying to move as many customers over to sony before photokina? Possibly...but I still don’t think it will be quite as good as the features Sony is offering- unless they could end up on par which could be why sony has introduced this not so basic model as such a stellar price who knows- but I would just say if you need a camera purchase the best option there is at the time you need it- otherwise your wasting 7 months of your life waiting for something that might not happen and even if it does you can’t get those 7 months back of creating, learning and personal development! :)
Exactly the cycle just continues & at some point you just have to commit and jump in! For the price point anybody who doesn’t already have a ff camera and is looking to get into the ff market are so lucky to get all those features at that price point as well as the new sigma glass that has been announced!
The mirrorless camera from Canon will almost certainly be less impressive than the A7III. Same for Nikon. The X-T3 will probably be really nice, but it will still be a crop sensor camera, and probably will still not have in-body stabilization. If anything actually comes out this year at that price point and beats the A7III... I mean, shit I'd be really happy, but I'll also be really surprised. As far as Sony, one of the main weaknesses has been the lack of lenses at a reasonable price. But as they become more popular, third-party manufacturers will start jumping all over it, so that issue will go away quickly. And by the time Canon/Nikon can match the A7III, Sony will come out with the A7IV and destroy them.
DeusExAstra these are my thoughts too :) I think the other point in Sony is being far more innovative and not holding back features like Canon- I would much rather be invested with Sony and enjoy all the new upgrades that come out in the future!
i wait for the A7 S III 😎👌👍
It's for video
Anurag Daware damn right. Thats would be the reason to buy that. Not for photography
stupidfresh305 right,got a 5D3, for photography it's enough, have 10 lenses and don't like to buy all this for the sony 🤔
You can use you Canon lenses on Sony.
yes Canon lens seems to work very well with Sony for photography
Solid review. What about weather sealing for the A7III? I shoot with a Pentax K3 and it's rugged. I've shot in rain and snowstorms without issue. The A7III is compelling, but anything I find about weather sealing says it's weaker than other models?
If I am looking for a compact 4k camera for low light vlogging, is there any reason to choose the A73 over the a6500?
Canon 6D Mark II for $1900 lol. Because of taxes cameras are normally more expensive in Germany but with Canon's current cashback promo you can get the 6D Mark II here for 1535 euros. New Sony A7 III costs you 2300 euros. While I find the Sony more interesting, almost 800 euros difference are not bad.
Why is everything so expensive in Europe
First: Prices include vat in Europe, so prices LOOK cheaper in the united states than they actually are.
Second: We get a lot better services from our governments, but that comes at a price of higher taxes. The rule of thumb in Europe is a vat of 20% with half that rate for education, food and other essentials. But it certainly drives up prices.
Third: Currency fluctuations.
Lastly, mostly because they can. Europeans are just willing to pay more for their stuff. We seem to buy not as much. we seem to cycle through products not as the same fast cycles as Americans do.
BTW non-junk food is cheaper :p
Walmart had to leave the german market because they could not compete. Education is a lot cheaper. Healthcare is a lot cheaper, etc … so it's not everything, it's mainly the luxury and professional equipment that's more expensive.
I bought the 6Dmk2 body with battery grip for $1700.00 Where the heck are they selling that camera for $1900.00-$2000.00??
I got a 6d II from an authorized dealer for $900 after Canon promotional rebate and selling the printer and battery grip it came with last Christmas.
In Canada as well, Canon and Nikon are dumping their cameras. Every camera store I go into it's filled to the rafters with used Canon and Nikons, like never before. Staff at the three big camera stores in Toronto have told me they've never seen such massive pre-order numbers like they have for the A7iii.
Gord W. Canons increasing numbers of cameras sold is telling us something different ...
In the meantime in Japan one of the largest camera stores "Map Camera" stated that the Nikon D850 and D7500 took the top two positions in cameras out of the top 10 sold by them.
Could you explain how the Sony a7 III is ~2x image quality compared to Fuji X-H1? What are your criteria or how are you coming up to that logic? Is it just the sensor size or is there something else that we should know.
Not that I am interested in either camera, but I would like to understand how you compared the image quality? Did you do a real life photo comparison and what lenses did you use?
In the last couple of years, I have not seen much difference in image quality for most new camera releases in the same price point category when you compare Sony, Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon.
Thank you.
I recently bought a a7iii brand new and a used sony 16-35 g master. I’m stoked.
I think the statement is wrong that ff sensor is 2x better than crop. I own a9 and xt2 and their IQ is quite similar, except that a9 is superior in low light. But to say that the IQ is 2x better, ouch, that’s really misleading
Best part of the video: it doesn’t matter. Amen!
Thanks for the video, great as always. Im glad that you mentioned the adapters at the end. I am curious to see how adapting Canon lens to the latest and greatest Sony bodies. If you could perhaps show in this upcoming video how they compare with the native equivalent Sony lens in speed and image quality. Thanks!
Agreed, Tony can you also review the Sony LA-EA3 & LA-EA4 adaptors as there are Sony A mount users that want to switch and use their A mount lenses (and there are a lot of A mount lenses out there) on the E mount bodies but the limitations of these adaptors (when Sony has the full access to everything) seems very odd. For example the LA-EA3 with focus set to AF-C doesn't continue to focus after the first frame is taken except on a9 or at 3 fps, Only 3 focus modes available, LA-EA4 only has 15 focus points, etc. Come on Sony think about the A mount users and improve these adaptors. Are the Metabones and Sigma MC-11 actually better than Sony's own adaptors.
Very helpful as always. When you do more A7 III videos, please include a section on auto focus in video mode with Sony native glass Vs Canon/Sigma glass using metabones/Sigma MC11 adapter. I have lots of Canon and Sigma glass, and the auto-focus in video mode would be very useful but only if it works well with my current glass.
Twice the image quality because the sensor is twice as large? You cannot really be serious. There is no way you'll be able to differentiate the Fuji XH1 image vs. the Sony A7 III image 99% of the time. Only in very low light maybe. But the Fuji Image will always have better colours without much editing.
You should have mentioned that 7R does not have AA filter
Well, that point is still a bit murky - nobody really seems to know if the a7III has one or not. Ken Rockwell says it doesn't:
> No anti-alias filter. Anti-reflection coated.
www.kenrockwell.com/sony/a7-iii.htm
B&H Photo, in their Overview description of A7III, also says no AA filter.
@David Stahl: yes, that also, forgot that.
@Tony & Chelsea Northrup: Any insight on that, Tony?
Very well-considered analysis. Going beyond simple specs to include things like UI, and recognizing that personal preferences vary. This is why I watch your channel.
Hi Tony,
Great video! I just wanted to give you a some insight from a professional video standpoint... No one is using the Sony lenses for video, I shoot regularly on the Sony fs7 etc and i have never even seen anyone using the native sony lenses. Its adapted EF glass pretty much all over the place. Sure there are a few times when the autofocus is handy for voggers etc. Fly by wire is the main reason i wouldn't ever purchase them. Its still a big deal when your shooting documentary, or events. etc. Also im not speaking for everyone, just the industries i have worked in. AKA professional video world shooting documentaries to concerts to feature films. Just something to consider :). Thanks again.
Would like you do do a show on focal reducers for shooting full frame lenses on APS C sensors I.e. Full frame lenses, Canon and Sony on Sony 6500.
I use the latest Viltrox Speedbooster II with various Canon L, Sigma and Samyang EF lenses (e.g. XP 1.2/85) and they work perfectly w/ great image quality.
And the IrIX 2.4/15 and LAOWA 2/105 STF as well as adapted vintage Zeiss lenses (Sonnar 2.8/135, Planar 1.4/50) are also great w/ the Viltrox on my a6500.
Some examples here: www.flickr.com/photos/mike-mkvip/albums/72157662230418338
Does the Viltrox Speedbooster handle Continuous AF well? That's the one thing i've noticed always sucks with these EF to E Adapters.
@Sean O: As with most adapters, with some it does, with some it doesn't. For example I just came back from tesing my a7III with the Sigma 1.4/50 Art and while I was at it, threw the Sigma on my a6500 w/ the Viltrox booster to test it and it focused just fine in AF-C. The EF200/2.8L II also does...
You've pissed off Ken because of your 2x size = 2x quality statement :)
Also i would like to see the discussion come to a conclusion; total light (Tony) vs light per unit area (Ken).
I think the ball is on your side Tony, so please elaborate.
Ha Ha! Yes, now Ken is in a rage!
Hello! How do you test battery life? How would you recommend I compare the battery life of two batteries I have?
Thanks!
hey I have this camera but I'm a little confused cuz I'm new to Sony about the frame rate how I can set it to 120 p or 24 p there are only 25 and 100 !
One ridiculous statement is that it has 2x the IQ of the X-H1. I shoot with the a7rii, GFX and the X-H1 and even my a7rii RAW files nor JPG files don’t have 2x the IQ as the X-H1. That’s just an incorrect statement. Put the images side by side and let’s see that. I highly doubt it will be 2x the quality. The DR and the highlights and a detail that you can pull out of the X-H1 RAW files is quite impressive.
Damon Mason. Which Raw Editor do you use for X-H1? The Sensor of the Fuji is made by sony.
GE KO I use Lightroom and Capture One. I know who the sensor is made by. Sony also makes the sensor for the GFX and PhaseOne and others. Doesn’t mean they compare. It’s the X Processor that Fuji has. Also Fuji glass from my opinion is better than Sony’s and I shoot with the GMaster lenses. Not saying the the G lenses aren’t great lenses but Fuji glass is phenomenal.
Yup, i use both a9 and xt2, and to say that the IQ is 2X better is really misleading and not true.
he did a a wrong statement. :) there are thousands of images available online comparing both... I would say NOT EVEN CLOSE to 2X! maybe %10 percent holdin more details if you have good optics mounted on Sony otherwise cant tell the difference...
Kemal Can OCAK also “more bokeh” is really misleading
Is the whole video tilted to the left?
Rafaelinux now I can't stop looking at that. Lol
Liberal Media Bias Detected!!
Somebody call Alex Jones!!
LOL
Your videos are always very helpful. Thanks. I go to a film school. I've used S2 and switched to R2, since I was taking many stills. Now I am shooting more films. I really miss A7S2 crazy ISO boost when I shoot for films at night, since I like night scape. I shoot photography and film weekly. I always wondered this. Should I just get USED A9 or should I wait for S3? I am trying to be aim for being professional with small crew. I know that A7III seems the best for price, but it is hard to go lower.
Great video! Looking forward to see the Sony-Canon adapters video, because I am thinking to upgrade from the original 6D to the A7III without selling my Canon lenses.
I own lots of Canon L-glass and it works just fine on a6500 & a7II with Metabones IV - and on the a7III it should be even better.
See Jason Lanier's video with A7III + Canon EF 135mm f/2L USM
I will be mainly using it at events with 24-70mm f/2.8 II, Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art and the Canon 70-200mm f/4L IS. Reliability in autofocus is critical, speed and especially accuracy.
for sony you can download apps for the camera, which includes a time lapse app. It can stack images in camera while shooting to a mp4 file, which is insanely cool.
They removed the apps
Not anymore, dropped in all mkIII cameras. Sorry about that.
Telling people that IQ is proportional to sensor size is not only misleading but also totally wrong. Yes the sensor of the A7III is better than the one of the x-h1. But it's only due to the technology... And I'm sure that the difference is not 2.25.
Hi, Tony - thank`for posting your views, to us which wonder about what to buy.
Anyway - Is the A7III as sensitive as A7R 3, for 3.part glass?
Such a wonderful NEUTRAL review, so appreciated!
Honestly Tony I feel like you have extremely under estimated the X-H1. The IBIS is worlds ahead of the A7III, atleast 3x as good in video. I encourage you to test this. FE lenses are huge even at comparable "crop factored" apertures, this is due to many things, but mainly once the focal length exceeds the flange distance you have lenses that are longer than Canon and Nikon FF lenses. On top of this the Sony lens line up is a mess, and what they do have that is even comparable to the excellent Fuji glass is extremely expensive, and huge.
Also, I understand where are going with the 2x image quality, but it just isn't there in real use. The math is right, and the physics is undeniable. The issue is that only works when you compare just noise. I encourage you to check actual images at equivalent exposures. The colors hold together and the processing keeps the difference to about .5 stops is most situations to my eyes.
Lets not forget that Sony's color science still leaves something to be desired. They have made strides with the A9, I don't know if the A7III is more similar to it or its predecessors. Either way it is at the end of the pack for consistency.
I think the A7III is a great step for Sony, and a great Camera. But it is a huge system once you put any decent lenses on it, and for the cost you invested with G master lenses is just ridiculous.
I just wanted to come here and correct myself. After seeing a lot of images from the A7III I think you may really be right on the money about twice the IQ. I really hope the color science is carried over from the A9 as it was worlds ahead of the mk II frames. I have an A7iii on preorder and am excited to compare it to my XT-2 kit
Keep in mind that the 6Dii is usually sold at heavy discounts, because it would not sell without them. ^_^
$1,300 is not an unusual price. for the 6Dii
So I plan on getting one coming from Nikon bodies. I really want that Tamron 28-75 f2.8 but it's not out yet. The kit lens covers the same range so not getting that. Portraits are mainly what I shoot. Anyone have thoughts on a lens choice that will hold me for a few months???
I’m just starting out with a Canon 550D but I’m enjoying learning about all these awesome cameras.
I don't care any more, I'v gone back to shooting film :)
Neat-o.
stone era
One thing - you can't talk about sharp E-mount glass without saying the Z word (Zeiss) Like the 55mm 1.8 that resolves at 40MP
Great camera but upgrade depends on need. I still shoot exhibits with the A7II, all fully manual and not battery sucking high volumes - point being if you want to get into ff, the superseded camera is a great option as they clear out the stock. For those on a tight budget, staying a generation back works at around half price from new if you shop around.
Tony(Anybody)do you recommend buying this camera at this point in time or waiting for the Sony A7IV? I’m coming from a Canon 80D and a working professional. I shoot mostly still images. Thanks!
2x better image quality?? Really Tony? Really?
Yeah, 2.25X the sensor size, with a newer sensor, means probably more than 2X image quality. I was being conservative. But, please, take some sample pictures and prove otherwise.
Tony & Chelsea Northrup That's not the way it works, the onus is on the person to defend or elaborate on a questionable. Without defining image quality, you made an unsubstantiated statement. I didn't realize my D810 had twice the image quality compared to my friend's D500 because it has twice the sensor size. But of course I know that is a false statement. I must say overall I do like many of your videos.
So, you took pictures, compared them and came to the conclusion that the sensor size contributes to a 2x better image quality? It is not just the sensor that affects the image quality Tony. So, if you put on your Tesla another electric motor & more batteries, will it become 2x faster? No. There are other factors such as aerodynamics, weight etc. Sometimes, 1+1 is not equal to 2. Please stop keep saying that on your videos. You are spreading wrong information.
Along with Chelsea, you two are by far have the best youtube channel when it comes to reviewing new cameras. Tony you're super thorough and quite impartial, and that means a lot when deciding what to buy.
Myself I've pre ordered the A7III. Quite excited to jump from Canon to Sony, and being able see what all the Sony fuzz is about.
Thank you for your channel!
Gaston Pierini: congrats - great move! I did the same 3 years ago after 40+ years of Canon and never looked back...
I used to have much respect to this guy and watch and like many of his videos - but now it's painfully obvious that he became such a blatant Sony sell-out. It's is plain bizarre. Just watch him saying that A7III has 2x better IMAGE QUALITY than Fuji XH1! Helloo! Not to mention, for example, that we don't even HAVE raw samples of A7III tested, and those claims are nothing more than apsurd. It is really sad to see a man becoming THIS, from good, independent reviewer.
I don’t think he’s biased it’s just Sony are simply making the best cameras for the money and the only people that are complaining are the ones that have put their money into another brand and are now gutted to see what Sony are doing. Most of the top cinematic vids on UA-cam are made with Sony cameras. I changed to Sony last year and not looking back. ✌️
It's obvious they praise Sony... but have you noticed Tony loves his Nikon? I remember saying his go to camera is his D850.
So you're saying that because the IQ is not 2x, he's Sony biased? That's a strong statement.
Funny enough, he did say the Fuji is a better option if you want to shoot video.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer objective reviews, but can't blame them for recommending Sony, after all, Sony's game is huge now. That said, he does point out not to rely on what he says, but be your own judge.
He even said it in two different videos he can't recommend the A7III until people have tested it for at least 6 months.
Thans Mike, I was actually planning to get the A7RIII but it's too much of an investment right now. Hopefully once the A7III starts paying off, I'll get that 42mp beast!
I do love Canon and their lenses, I think they are great! I've had Canon for over 10 years now, but hopefully Sony body + Sigma ART lenses will not disappoint!
gosh what a thorough review!! thanks heaps
Would you recommend the a7r iii for product photos with the pixel shift for website pictures with the zoom in feature for details. I also shoot video a lot.
What a nonsensical statement. 2x picture quality based on sensor size? I guarantee you would not be able to tell the difference in a blind test. So, based on that “logic” that means the Fuji GFX series of cameras are twice the image quality of any Sony FF product? Any doubt of you being a shill for Sony has been totally removed.
Definitely don't get advice about buying a cameras from people that post videos like this! I'm looking at two 12x19 inch prints on my wall. One from a crop Canon 7d & one from a full frame Canon 5d & the full frame photograph is most definitely not two times the "image quality". Go to your local camera store with your memory card & try the cameras & lenses for yourself & don't let professional UA-cam personalities who are probably no better than you at photography make up your mind for you.
I have ordered one , to go along with my A7RIII and A6500. can't wait. Thanks folks. Cheers
I want to go to mirrorless, and the Sony a7 III seems like a good start. However, I have a concern that when you change lenses the sensor is exposed, unlike my DSLR, which concerns me not just about dirt on the sensor but possible damage. How do you find it?