As a "premiere zoner" Rain's zoning is already notoriously.. questionable. He does indeed have a lot of options when it comes to throwing projectiles but none of them are "spammable" and there's no lockdown "gotcha" moments when he's zoning, which makes it hard for a lot of people to not get annihilated as Rain. So, in this video we go over how you should go about zoning with Rain in a way that doesn't get yourself killed, including situationals like distance, opponent's character, kameos, etc... hope it helps! 0:00 Introduction to Rain's Zoning 3:08 Zoning: Mid Range 6:45 Zoning: Full Screen vs Teleporters / Zoners 9:01 Zoning: Full Screen vs Calm / Conditioned 11:30 Kameos: Projectile Kameos (Stryker, Sareena, Kung Lao, Motaro, Kano, etc...) 14:04 Kameos: Zoning Combos/Damage Extenders (Scorpion, Goro, etc...) 16:60 Kameos: Sub Zero 19:56 Summary Thanks for Watching!
Really hoping he gets some meaningful buffs to his zoning at some point. The “premier zoner” shouldn’t rely on cameos to not get out zoned by the “in your face brawler”.
WETrion ... I am dead 💀🤣 We were gaslit into believing Rain is a Zoner much less a "premier zoner" especially when Liu Kang and Shang Tsung exist (also grappler-lite Reiko is a better zoner). I really wanted Rain to be a hybrid zoner/rushdown character instead they turned him into a worse version of Cetrion. Should've kept him a ninja! 😭
Gonna be so real, I've been playing Rain since the game dropped and I think he might (conditionally) be top 5. The only catch is that you basically need sub-zero as your kameo or you're mid-tier at best, but with Sub he gets so much nonsense that I think he actually needs nerfs for that kameo specifically. The character isn't a zoner, he's a trapper. You should never be spamming fullscreen unless its someone like johnny and they dont have a projectile kameo, you should be in their face mixing in portal blockstrings until you get ANY hit, emphasis on ANY, then you can literally get 75%+ without spending meter or using super. You can also do another setup if they have breaker available that doesn't give them any opportunity to use it and still does 45%. He's nuts and very underrated rn, I've been consistently getting touch of death combos in Demigod (can't climb on xbox bc theres a bug crashing every game that you beat a female character without a brutality). While his defense is kinda meh, you don't actually need to play much defense when you can hit ANYTHING between blockstrings, including crouch jab, and get 75% for it. He prob has the highest dmg output in the game, genuinely looking forward to what other people can get out of the character when NRS gives him a buff and he loses his only weaknesses.
Not top 5. Yes hes good, but the others have way more to offer. Rain is just too slow to be top 5 specifically. I main him day 1. Am Demi God now too, and he is quite slow. Not great at reacing either.
@@Wrazzix Honestly, after playing him more I still don't think my opinion changed. 5th place is definitely competitive, but imo he's easily on par with characters like Mileena that are being widely considered for the position. Being slow is tough, but he needs to be slow to balance out how bullshit he is with dmg, oki pressure, and resource efficiency. All 3 are probably the best in the game from what I've seen. Very kameo reliant, but its not like theres an option to play without them so it might as well be part of the character. I can't see him getting placed lower than top 8 at absolute worst, at least until they patch out his unblockables bc post-mkx nrs doesnt like skill expression
I suppose, but the reflect shield isn’t particularly useful and the teleport doesn’t offer rain any special tech other than general movement, the low projectile is probably useful because it’s quick low and plus on block
What sucks about the water bubble is that even if the bubble leaves the cloud but if you get hit it’ll just disappear, making it hard to trade with opponents on this damaging projectile that has great hit advantage
Just one note with the Reiko matchup, even with ice armor enhanced shuriken can shred through the armor. You might not take damage but you did lose that protective layer against rekio's projectiles
I like to try and jump over some of it after putting the ice armor on. That way you’re only getting hit by like 1-2 shirikens instead of 3-6 It’s such a tough matchup though
Is it better to use J32 in the corner instead of J234 and end eith 114 db3 ? I watched one of your videos and I think when I played I used this combo instead for the corner. I don’t remember I haven’t played rain for a week
TIP!!!!!!!!=The best way yo zone with rain is his unblokabel useing strikers bombs and whirlpool at the same yime hitting high and low at the same time just a hint!!!!!!!!!!!
Using a kameo as a meat shield while also countering with the low portal for big damage is one of my favorite tactics It also works with Sun Zeros I’ve armor of course
I personally disagree with what you said about the anti air projectile and thing you can just throw it out in neutral if you want You’re not going to react to a jump with it, but if you think they will jump than there’s no reason to not throw it out The thing is it doesn’t even just hit airborne opponents, if they try to dash in there’s a good chance they’ll still get hit by it as it is a huge projectile and stays on the screen for quite some time
For his zoning I want bf1 to be a lot faster and for his water shield to last just a little bit longer Of course maybe some more plus frames would help as well
Listen pleas all rains zoneing vomes after his bubbel armor and portal use yhouse first for its protection but more on footsey whrn yhe get in after fighting you projectiles it alous uou to k ow yhe distance and they dont
Lol my text to speech is broke lol I was saying always start a match with bubble it sets up everything else and allows any jumpin to be punished because the bubble makes it hard to see how close or far away you are! So before the use his projectile or god bomb always bring up bubble first !!! There we go much better lol thanks guyes
Rains zoning is useless with out sub zero kameo.... if they pick subzero kameo back... you are effectively uselesss now...🤣🤣🤣 He needs a buff on his projectile...
Actually it takes 5 projectiles before disappearing and me personally I just zone the entire game with rain and if they outzone me I’m using motaro shield to throw the projectiles back and if they get to close I teleport with motaro
As a "premiere zoner" Rain's zoning is already notoriously.. questionable. He does indeed have a lot of options when it comes to throwing projectiles but none of them are "spammable" and there's no lockdown "gotcha" moments when he's zoning, which makes it hard for a lot of people to not get annihilated as Rain.
So, in this video we go over how you should go about zoning with Rain in a way that doesn't get yourself killed, including situationals like distance, opponent's character, kameos, etc... hope it helps!
0:00 Introduction to Rain's Zoning
3:08 Zoning: Mid Range
6:45 Zoning: Full Screen vs Teleporters / Zoners
9:01 Zoning: Full Screen vs Calm / Conditioned
11:30 Kameos: Projectile Kameos (Stryker, Sareena, Kung Lao, Motaro, Kano, etc...)
14:04 Kameos: Zoning Combos/Damage Extenders (Scorpion, Goro, etc...)
16:60 Kameos: Sub Zero
19:56 Summary
Thanks for Watching!
Straight up issue with all the "zoners" in this game imo. Even quans zoning is too slow so they just armor reversal. Props to rain players
Really hoping he gets some meaningful buffs to his zoning at some point. The “premier zoner” shouldn’t rely on cameos to not get out zoned by the “in your face brawler”.
WETrion ... I am dead 💀🤣
We were gaslit into believing Rain is a Zoner much less a "premier zoner" especially when Liu Kang and Shang Tsung exist (also grappler-lite Reiko is a better zoner). I really wanted Rain to be a hybrid zoner/rushdown character instead they turned him into a worse version of Cetrion. Should've kept him a ninja! 😭
Gonna be so real, I've been playing Rain since the game dropped and I think he might (conditionally) be top 5. The only catch is that you basically need sub-zero as your kameo or you're mid-tier at best, but with Sub he gets so much nonsense that I think he actually needs nerfs for that kameo specifically. The character isn't a zoner, he's a trapper. You should never be spamming fullscreen unless its someone like johnny and they dont have a projectile kameo, you should be in their face mixing in portal blockstrings until you get ANY hit, emphasis on ANY, then you can literally get 75%+ without spending meter or using super. You can also do another setup if they have breaker available that doesn't give them any opportunity to use it and still does 45%. He's nuts and very underrated rn, I've been consistently getting touch of death combos in Demigod (can't climb on xbox bc theres a bug crashing every game that you beat a female character without a brutality). While his defense is kinda meh, you don't actually need to play much defense when you can hit ANYTHING between blockstrings, including crouch jab, and get 75% for it. He prob has the highest dmg output in the game, genuinely looking forward to what other people can get out of the character when NRS gives him a buff and he loses his only weaknesses.
Really cause I feel rain is just too slow to do any sort of jab locks
I’d love to get some pointers from you on exactly how you jab lock with rain cause I’m having trouble
what block string portal do you use? I usually only F2,1 portal
Not top 5. Yes hes good, but the others have way more to offer. Rain is just too slow to be top 5 specifically. I main him day 1. Am Demi God now too, and he is quite slow. Not great at reacing either.
@@Wrazzix Honestly, after playing him more I still don't think my opinion changed. 5th place is definitely competitive, but imo he's easily on par with characters like Mileena that are being widely considered for the position. Being slow is tough, but he needs to be slow to balance out how bullshit he is with dmg, oki pressure, and resource efficiency. All 3 are probably the best in the game from what I've seen. Very kameo reliant, but its not like theres an option to play without them so it might as well be part of the character. I can't see him getting placed lower than top 8 at absolute worst, at least until they patch out his unblockables bc post-mkx nrs doesnt like skill expression
Wouldn't Motaro be a good option to stay away and continue zoning?
I suppose, but the reflect shield isn’t particularly useful and the teleport doesn’t offer rain any special tech other than general movement, the low projectile is probably useful because it’s quick low and plus on block
What sucks about the water bubble is that even if the bubble leaves the cloud but if you get hit it’ll just disappear, making it hard to trade with opponents on this damaging projectile that has great hit advantage
Just one note with the Reiko matchup, even with ice armor enhanced shuriken can shred through the armor. You might not take damage but you did lose that protective layer against rekio's projectiles
I like to try and jump over some of it after putting the ice armor on. That way you’re only getting hit by like 1-2 shirikens instead of 3-6
It’s such a tough matchup though
Raiden's zoning needs nerfed really bad
Is it better to use J32 in the corner instead of J234 and end eith 114 db3 ? I watched one of your videos and I think when I played I used this combo instead for the corner. I don’t remember I haven’t played rain for a week
TIP!!!!!!!!=The best way yo zone with rain is his unblokabel useing strikers bombs and whirlpool at the same yime hitting high and low at the same time just a hint!!!!!!!!!!!
It isn’t unblockable but Stryker is definitely useful for letting rain zone
Or throw proj cyiles after placing witlpool
GUYS always use Rains bubble when youre full screen even if they might not zone you and see how they react....
🌧️🌧️🌧️ the only reason I bought mk1
Using a kameo as a meat shield while also countering with the low portal for big damage is one of my favorite tactics
It also works with Sun Zeros I’ve armor of course
I personally disagree with what you said about the anti air projectile and thing you can just throw it out in neutral if you want
You’re not going to react to a jump with it, but if you think they will jump than there’s no reason to not throw it out
The thing is it doesn’t even just hit airborne opponents, if they try to dash in there’s a good chance they’ll still get hit by it as it is a huge projectile and stays on the screen for quite some time
For his zoning I want bf1 to be a lot faster and for his water shield to last just a little bit longer
Of course maybe some more plus frames would help as well
Listen pleas all rains zoneing vomes after his bubbel armor and portal use yhouse first for its protection but more on footsey whrn yhe get in after fighting you projectiles it alous uou to k ow yhe distance and they dont
bro speaking edenian
Huh
Lol my text to speech is broke lol I was saying always start a match with bubble it sets up everything else and allows any jumpin to be punished because the bubble makes it hard to see how close or far away you are! So before the use his projectile or god bomb always bring up bubble first !!! There we go much better lol thanks guyes
So you have to be a master baiter to zone with rain hmm🤔
Kharacters cant be perfect lol
Yeah but rain isn’t all he was said to be he gets outzoned by damn Johnny cage
Rains zoning is useless with out sub zero kameo.... if they pick subzero kameo back... you are effectively uselesss now...🤣🤣🤣 He needs a buff on his projectile...
Reduce the startup frames to 25 but keep it as a high projectile on block and make his ex projectile slower startup but make that a mid.....
Actually it takes 5 projectiles before disappearing and me personally I just zone the entire game with rain and if they outzone me I’m using motaro shield to throw the projectiles back and if they get to close I teleport with motaro