@RetroRVRecon happy to help. It's nice to do when you want to run things that might be a little bit more than the eu3000 can do on its own. Especially if you want to run on eco mode and still start those larger draw loads.
I live off the grid in Tennessee..Have battery stations a solar panel and a Honda EU2200i with Bluetooth and were happy with that because we don't have a lot of money
Great video and comparison of generators. I considered buying the EU 3000 Honda but opted to buy two Honda 2200I instead. It is easier to carry one at a time. Also one is the Honda 2200I and the second one is the Honda 2200I companion. The companion has the 30 amp RV plug and when paralleled with the 2200I I get full 30 amps out of my generator. Thanks for sharing.
Hey shelley131 I agree. The 3000 won't fit under our tonneau cover but two 2200s will. In the future we'll probably get another 2200 because of the portability. Thanks shelley131 for the comment and thank you very much for watching our video. :) Mike and Angel
I recently bought a Tractor Supply Sportsman 3850/3500 generator on sale for $269 plus tax w/free shipping. I’m stunned at the performance and economy! I was bivouacking in a primitive camping area on a wildlife management area. Temperature was 40-50deg day time and low mid 20’s night. The generator started easily, and quickly warmed up. First night was warmer and I ran it in econo mode. Fore 10hrd it used less than 2gal! Second night it was so cold I had to run it in regular mode and in 12hrs it used 2.5gal. I still No Name 2800/2500 unit I purchased in 2001 from Walmart for $289. It’s been great, still runs great but uses easily twice the amount of fuel. Old unit has a 3.5gal tank, new unit has a 4.0gal tank. Drain the fuel after every use, run till unit quits. Spray a little fogging agent into spark plug hole and you’re good. I also replace the oil with fresh Synthetic 10w-30 oil. Thus treated, I’m not sure you can wear them out. Even the cheap Chinese ones.
Hey John, thats sounds good!! Its good to read this sort of feedback on the inexpensive generators. A little frontend maintenance will pay for itself! Thanks for watching our video. Mike and Angel
Hey James All three of the generators we had in the video are still working fine. The 3000 Honda is still the quietest of the three. We hear the Predator is quiet at a better price. Thanks for watching our video, James. Mike and Angel
Honda just introduced an EU3200 which is similar to the EU2000 in size with lot more output power. Expensive, but Honda has lead the generator world for many years. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. Also the pneumatic wheel kit for the EU3000 makes it much more portable.
I'm going to have to look into the kit. I just pulled out the generators for their quarterly run and they are tough to move around. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm gonna use it. I'd like to check out that EU3200 if only to see it. Thanks SLick41, I appreciate the comment and suggestion. and...thanks for watching!! Mike and Angel
Hey Whitesp44 We're glad you found this helpful, that's what its all about. I think you'll like the Honda. We had minimal damage, we were very fortunate. Thanks Whitesp44 for watching our video! Mike and Angel
Great video, I was working at Fort Polk Louisiana when we had those back to back 2020 hurricanes, I was in my camper and had my little loud craftsman generator and it is loud, but in those situations where everyone in the camp ground has generators running the noise isn't an issue. You can lean a couple of pieces of plywood up against a generator to soften the sound while being careful not to stop venting and cooling air.
Hey Dean Yup, you're right. If everyone has a generator running its no big deal. I'm guessing you went through Hurricane Laura, is that right? Before Hurricane Ida hit I was curious about an RV generator for long distance travel (BLM camp sites). Well, now I know, the little Honda will be fine as long as I don't need an A/C. Plus its very quiet. Thanks Dean for watching our video, stay safe this up coming hurricane season! Mike and Angel
That's the way, I like to see things...Telling it like is . Thanks for sharing video, It was well worth watching 👀 👍 your a beautiful couple 💑 Thanks again
Hey Ted We're glad to be helpful and thank you for watching the video.. Thanks even more for the kind words about Angel and me ☺. We really enjoy making these videos and we enjoy each others company. Happy Trails & Happy Camping, Ted. Mike and Angel
Hey John Hm...I wonder (?).🙂 Yes, Angel is very articulate and full of great ideas. And that's only what yall see on the videos. ☺ We learn so much from each other.🥰🥰 Thanks John for the kind words and thanks for watching out video too. Mike and Angel
I spent most of my life single - I was married for a while then my wife took fight since I was offshore a lot - When they started sending women offshore we found they couldn't handle the hard physical work every day as the guys did - It was things like a sledge hammer - half of the energy of swing a sledge hammer Is holding on to the hammer - We learned women can swing a hammer just like guys the first day - but many could swing the hammer the second day but could not hold on to the hammer - The sledge hammer would fly out there hands the second day they didn't have the strength to old the handle tight enough - We found that it was better to place them in administrative work - the old guys that grew up on farms said it was there mother's and sisters that handled the books of the farm not the husband or son's - In the end we found ways to move them off the floor and into administration - there mind works differently and they can see every thing happening at on time - were as men focus on one thing at a time - There interesting things we learned about women - if they said something is burning - some guys ignored what they said because they didn't smell anything - Suddenly there was an alarm that something was burning up or on fire - every thing in the oilfields becomes data that we rely on and down load into the systems or computers - If a women said she could hear a strange sound we found we better start looking to see what was making that strange sound we could not here as men - It might just be a cylinder missing out on a generator so out of 3 generators with 20 cylinders each they could hear one out of 60 cylinders missing out - Men can't hear that well compared to women - I had mentioned the notice details we don't see - I'm not sure if I'm correct on this but I think they can see up to 100 shades of colors - we might see the color red and that's it - but from what I remember reading is they can tell very sight differences in the shades of red - That is very important on know when to harvest certain crops - farmer would rely on there wives and daughters to know when it was time to harvest crops - Women have a far better 6th sense then men also - On a platform if they said something wasn't right you better start looking around to see what was ready to.blow - Most of the time they were right - I've been through 4 blow outs in the 70s so I listened to them when they said something is not right. - In the 70s my mother was terrified every time I left to go offshore it was that 6th sense - she felt the danger although I lied and said there was nothing to worry about - I had two aunts and a grandmother that kept saying the we're praying for my safety - I'm so glad of that I was totally unscathed or unharmed through those blow outs - I was even on a chopper that lost both engines for a few seconds - one engine fired up and we made it to land - In the end your wife will feel, see, hear, smell, things that you will never pay mind to -
@@able880 Hey able880, thanks for sharing all of that. I have a few friends that still work offshore. I don't believe I could be away from my wife for the durations off-shore work requires. I absolutely agree what yo say about women having better senses than men. Angel is the hardest working I have ever known, a great woman, I'm lucky and happy that she married me. 🥰 Thanks again able880 for sharing and thank you for watching our video. Mike and Angel
I use the Predator 3500 inverter. Runs for 12 hours on the camper, eco mode saves a lot of fuel. It's a great boon docking generator for summers at Rutherford Beach when you NEED the air conditioner at night. Very quiet as well.
Hello Retro RV Recon, Nice review! I have been so convinced that the EU3000is is the best quiet generator on the planet, I purchase one again 15 years later. I was worried they would replace it. It is heavy and not easy to move but with large capacity fuel tank, electric start, and SO quiet it is unrivaled. NOTHING compares when you see the EU3000 in actual operation. That being stated, best value is to buy two EU2000 (2200) generators for less or same cost. More power, easy to move, and can divide when not needed in parallel. EU3000 for Mom....she cannot pull start. Next on the budget.....EU7000! Electric start, wheel cart, and also SUPER QUIET! The Honda's are VERY expensive, but the long-life, clean power, and quiet operation go far to justify the purchase. Only my opinion, worth it! P-Chi.
Hey P-Chi Thanks for the comment. Yes, two of the 2000s (in parallel) would be a lot easier especially for traveling. We got the 3000 to use for our camper at home since hurricane Ida knocked out power in the area. Two of the 2000 would be ideal if we were to travel to remote areas. We haven't yet but plan to in the future.🙂 We like the Hondas and since we already have a 2000 and a 3000 I figure we won't need one for quite some time.😀 Thanks again for the comment and for watching our video!👍 Mike and Angel
Those Honda generators are tanks too. I bought one 15 years ago, the eu3000is, and it has hundreds if not thousands of hours on it and it still fires up with one pull after all this time. It's still very quiet. Just break it in properly, change the oil regularly and it will literally last forever! They are expensive but it will be the last generator you buy if you buy the size you need and your needs don't change.
I picked up a predator for the house to keep the lights and water on, horses water and toilets have to work😂 it does the job but it’s noisy, you may have talked me into the Honda, thanks for the content
Hey Scott If it weren't for the camper we may have just kept the Champion. After *not* hearing how loud the Honda is 😁 it will be tough to use a louder generator again. However, in a pinch I'll crank up the Champion in a heartbeat.😃 Thanks Scott for watching our video! Mike and Angel
Just did a camping trip with my son he had a super quiet predator, got it on sale for 600.00 normally around 800 I’ll probably get that for the camper, really nice unit for the money
Hey Dennis. Yes, the little one is very good on fuel. Unless we need the A/C we use the small one. Thanks Dennis for watching our video. Mike and Angel
We have a Champion 3400 duel fuel inverter generator and love it. It is almost as quiet as the Honda and we bought it on sale a few years ago for around $700. It is very quiet and powerful enough for our camper or house emergency.
Hey Larry, that's good information about the Champion. Its good info like that that helps folks to make a smart purchase. Only recently I've been seeing the Champion inverter generators. I wish that was a local option a few years ago.🙄 What model Champion do you have? Thanks for the comment and for watching our video Larry!!😀 Mike and Angel
what,s a "parish" ? i am in Canada and have never heard that term before ! btw i purchased a Firman WO3386 gen for our camper , one great selling point was the remote start .
Hey Northlander. A "parish" is the same as a "county" or "province". Louisiana uses the term "Parish" not county. I wish my generators had wheels Firman does. It would make moving them around a lot easier. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching our video! Mike and Angel
You can parallel connect the EU2000is with the EU3000is and it will add 2,000 or 2,200 wore watts for a total of 5,200 watts. You can also add extended run tanks for both the 3000 and 2200.
Hey Alex. No kidding!! I've been meaning to look into whether or not you can parallel two different models. That's great information!! Thanks Alex! Mike and Angel
Thanks forbthe comparison. Weve got a new champion dual fuel thats fairly quiet. And and older but not that old hinda 3000. Being quieter might have to get that thing running.
Hey Cobra I hear (no pun intended LOL) the newer Champions are quieter, thats good because they are a solid generator. Break out the carb cleaner and get that old(er) Honda running! 😁😄 Thanks for watching our video!! Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon can't stand this ethanol fuel. I have 3 generators that need car work. A Generac 2000, the Honda 3000 (I wish it was the 3200 efi) and a 12,000w that the float stuck.
@@78cobra I don't like it either. We have several locations around here that offer non-ethanol fuel. I try not to run ethanol or added ethanol through the smaller engines that sit for a while. Its a pain when you're ready to use something then figure out the fuel has gum'd up to carburetor.😒 Mike
I know this is an old thread, but thought I’d chime in with three points anyway. First, the key to increasing fuel efficiency is whether it’s an inverter type or not. Your traditional generator will need to run at full rpm regardless of load. The inverter type allows for the engine to adjust its speed according to power requirements when using eco mode. Second, most inverter generators have an enclosed design which makes them quieter. I have seen some open inverter models but don’t recall any straight generator types. Third, consider a dual fuel generator. Gasoline doesn’t store well but propane stores indefinitely. I have an older open frame Champion one similar to the video that I bought used for emergency purposes after a brief power outage at home. The previous owner used both gasoline and propane in it so I try to be mindful of the carburetor. With this one I make sure I shut off the fuel and let the engine die that way. But I also recently purchased a Predator 5000 inverter, dual fuel generator. I hope to never put gasoline in its tank, thereby never needing to worry about a plugged carb. An added benefit is the combustion is much cleaner too. The downside of propane is that your maximum output will be reduced so just keep that in mind. BTW- what caught my eye to even watch this video was Angel’s shirt.
Hey Blankverse. Thank you!☺ It took us two other generators before we were really happy with the 3000IS. It still works very well. Well, all three of them do but we still prefer the 3000IS.😃 Thanks for watching our video!! Mike and Angel
Hey Margaret. No, not really. We only use the generator in a well ventilated area, being sure the generator exhaust is drifting away from the camper. We also have a multi gas sensor in the camper that will let us know if there area any gases in the camper. To be clear, we keep the generator outside of the camper. :) Great question!!👍 Thank you Margaret for the question and thanks for watching our video too. Mike and Angel
@@margaretgaspard5813 Hey Margaret. I heard Beryl did a lot of damage for a relatively small H. We hope you and your family made out ok. We wish yall the same peaceful Hurricane season. Mike and Angel
I bought the Honda 2200i couple years ago, really nice for emergencies. I really like that Honda 3000is, got me thinking now, looks like a 2 person lifter thou. What size AC Unit do you have on the Campter Roof, a 15k OR 13.5 btu? Mine is a 13.5 and i am wondering just in case one day i may need to hook them up.
Greets and thanks for the great content! Wife and I have the same Honda EU300IS gen and cannot run the AC, it stops and says overdraw prob - do you have a soft start device to let that happen to work? Asking so that perhaps I am having an issue with the AC unit with overdraw. Blessings and hope to hear from you! Steve
Hey Steve Thanks for the kind words. I haven't modified the A/C in the camper at all. I would suggest checking the A/C power requirement (if you haven't already checked). The 189R A/C pulls right at 3000W at start up (maxing out the Honda) but uses less than 2000 to stay running. We don't use much at all in the camper while using the A/C but then again, that was just during the time we were without power at home. This is what I would try. I would... -Run the generator with ECO switch "OFF" -Set the A/C thermostat to its warmest setting -Turn switch (fan speed) to low cool ...Once the Generator has caught up I would... -turn the thermostat to its coolest setting. The fan motor has a hefty inrush of amps but drops off after a few seconds. I hope this information helps. If it does or doesn't would you let me know? Thanks Steve, and thanks for watching our video! Mike and Angel
Hey cdweddle. Thanks! Yes it does, I had to use it about a month ago, it starts pretty easily with the pull. I'll have to look into a replacement battery for it. The bike lock, yes we forgot to link it. I'll have to go back and fix that. ☺ Thanks for watching our video! Mike and Angel
I wonder what they do to an inverter generator to make it run so much quieter than a construction generator. We can guess sound insulation but if so then why not a construction generator?
Hey Dan. I'm glad you asked! There are several reasons but I think what you and I are looking for is, they...(from the internet) "Have a noise-reducing design. Inverter generators are built with features to reduce noise, such as enclosed casings and mufflers. " I think your second question could have to do with cost. I've wondered if I could just put a better muffler on a construction generator. (hm???) Thanks Dan for the comment and for watching our video. Mike and Angel
The ideal situation would be to run a generator during the day, and power the A/C at night with a bank of LiFePO4 batteries while sleeping. And of course the generator would charge the batteries during the day.
Hey firecloud, yes that would be ideal. If we ever chose to camp for long durations that would be an option we would seriously consider. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching our video! Mike and Angel
Hey Jaco. The price difference is about $1000.00 You might find the 2200 for about $1000 and the 3000 for about $2000. Check around, they have deals all the time at different stores. They were more than that when we bought ours, about two years ago. I ran all three generators a few weeks ago, they run just fine. Thank you for watching our video, Jaco! Happy Trails & Happy Camping Mike and Angel
Hey RealUnknownGamer. Thank you so much, we love being playful and having fun. :) Both of our Honda generators are very quiet. IMO, its a good buy. Thanks for watching our video! Mike and Angel.
I was under the impression that 2 generators paralleled won't double the wattage output. But if your powered system requires more watts , the generator that is paralleled will increase the power needed. I've never had to parallel my generators, knowledge is from watching UA-cam . For what it's worth.
On a campsite where there are other people camping you dont want to be that guy who runs a generator. Not even a honda inverter generator. Period. Thanks for sharing!
You guys are great! I have the Champion Dual fuel Inverter 4250, it’s much louder than the claimed 64 dB, on the heavy side, and not so practical for my camping needs but fine for home use. However the dual fuel feature is great to have. Looking for something that can run the soft-start AC in the event of a power outage in a camp ground, or if we do an overnight in a parking lot somewhere, recharge batteries, I can lift into and out of the truck, and runs quiet. I’m thinking seriously about getting the Honda 2200i. Thanks !
Hey Rory. Thank you. I haven't actually heard (no pun intended😄) any of the Champion Inverter generators yet. I bet the 4250 is great for around the house for a power outage (hurricane). Around here in the Deep South we all need to be very mindful of what works more than what is quiet.😁 Talking to friends and reading replies to this video, a lot of folks like the Champion brand generators, including me. The Honda's are good, then so are the Champions. Honda's are just a bit quieter, for camping. Thank you Rory for watching our video! Mike and Angel
Hey Diver I think the idea is great! Our generators aren't set up for it though.😏 At the time of the purchase we were just happy to get that Honda 3000 generator (right after hurricane Ida). If/when I do purchase another one I will really consider the duel fuel. Thanks for watching our video, Diver! Mike and Angel
I also have a Dual Fuel 13kw Duromax and tested it with Propane. Just 2 years after purchasing, I decided to start it again and it is completely unoperational. The fuel selector switch won't even detent at the fuel settings so can't figure out how to set it. Very disappointed in Duromax.
Hey Chat. and that's not a cheap generator either. I hate to hear you have a issue like this.I hear pros and cons about duel fuels, I think for now I'll just stay put with the gasoline generators. Thanks again for the information, that helps a lot of people! Mike and Angel
Hi JAFO4U, we're glad to have put a smile on your face☺. Thank you for watching and thank you very much for subscribing!!☺☺ We hope you get some good rest. Mike and Angel.
Ted has the Honda 2000 he uses at work. We tried to run our camper with it and as you said it won't run the ac. We were going to buy the Honda eu 3000 but because of the price we went with the harbor freight predator 3500. Thanks for sharing.
Sorry for the late reply, I missed this one. Yes, the EU3000 is pricey, how do yall like the Predator? It would be nice to know it's equal to the Honda for less than half the price. Thank you for watching the video and agian, sorry for the late reply.🙂
My Honda 2000 watt will run my 12000 btu window ac with no problem. The ac units in most campers must not be very efficient. Tag on my ac says 11 amps needed to run.
I have the Predator 2200 and it runs my TT a/c all day long. If I need to use the microwave, I just turn the a/c off for the short time of use, then turn the a/c back on.
No we don't. I was talking to someone today and mentioned your comment. I'm going to look into it. I would much rather take the smaller generator even if only to run the A/C. Thanks for the information!! and...thanks for watching. 😀
@@RetroRVRecon I installed a MicroAir Easy Start 364 on my 15K BTU air conditioner and my Honda eu2200 Companion handles it just fine along with lights and television. Run the fridge and water heater on propane and you’re set. I turn the AC off if I need to use the microwave and turn it back on when I'm finished. I have an older Honda eu2000i that I can parallel with the 2200 Companion if needed but found that the 2200 Companion handles everything just fine on it's own. The 2200 is a lot easier to move around than that 130# eu3000i. Happy camping and I'm glad to see you have plenty of backup generator power.
@@redsnowplow7985 Thanks, I'm going to have to check into that MicroAir... Thanks for the input, it would be nice to only need the smaller generator.👍🙂
Take in to consideration running the inverter at or near max capacity eats into its life longevity and maintenance. I wouldnt put my honda at max cap they arent cheap. Where the higher rated inverters aren't working as hard to power. 3k I think is perfect for both worlds.
Great video, very helpful. Relative to your comment on 2dB being noticeable: Decibels measure sound level on a log scale. 3dB shift is twice as loud. So yes, 2 dB is significant. And 34 dB is very quiet
Hey Kurt Thanks for the comment. I wouldn't use anything obnoxiously loud in a campground (Champion) but if I had to us a generator I would use (sparingly) the Honda 3000. Besides, camping to us is about getting away from the sounds of the city. 😁 Thanks, Kurt, for watching our video. Mike and Angel
You can run the the small Honda in parallel to double the power. The new eu32 should be able to run an ac. If I ever buy a new generator for camping it will be a Honda.
Hi Sebastain Yes, the Honda is a nice generator. Some other comments here suggest a few options but I may just stick with Honda, especailly since I already own one. LOL I need to look into parrelling the two Hondas I have but for now the 3000iS is working well. Thanks for watching. Mike and Angel
Hey Harry. I think for now I'll stick with the smaller one. If we used it more I would consider your excellent advise. Thank you Harry for watching our video. Mike and Angel
Hey Henry. Wow, I really don't know without looking on the internet for pricing. I'm sure its not too far from the original price, those Hondas have a good resale. Thanks Henry for watching our video, good luck with the sale of the Honda (buying or selling). Mike and Angel
Will the smaller Honda parallel to the bigger one? I bought the EU2200 with the misconception it would run my 13.5k a/c. I see Honda makes a suitcase style EU3200i now that should do the job. I just don't know whether to buy another 2200 and pair them or to sell the one I've got and go with the EU3200.
Hi Jim, I've been meaning t research this. I sure hope so. I've heard it will but I would like to reach out to Honda for conformation. I think I would easily sell my two Hondas for the suitcase style 3200i, that would be ideal for us. Thanks for the heads up about the 3200 Jim!!😀 Happy Trails & Happy Camping!
@@swhiting100 Nothing. We just live without the a/c when we get sites without electric. I considered getting a soft start capacitor for the camper to ease the load when the a/c starts up but even then the 2200 is probably a little too small anyway. I looked at the EU3200 but to be honest if I do get another generator then I'd likely get the Generac 3500. They seem to get some amazing reviews for a fraction of the cost.
Thanks for the comparison! The problem I had with the Honda is the new 3200i is $2500 before tax and it has no DC out. Too, I can buy 4 of the Champions 4500/3650 (which has eco mode, a fuel gauge and DC out) for the price of one Honda. It will run 22 hours on 4 gallons of gas, and yes it is 64 dB at idle but it's for home use so no big deal. I can lift the 75 pound Champ but not the 130 pound Honda. I agree the Honda is the best generator for long term but if the Champ only lasts for half the distance, I thought it was a good buy.
Hey zone47 Thanks for bringing up this generator. When we purchased our Champion generator this one wasn't an option; *Champion Power Equipment 4,500/3,650-Watt OFI Generator with Paralink* (
That is a fine generster the thing is as you get older like me you will fine out 154 lbs full of gas is more than you can handle i sold mine. They are comming out with a 3200 that is fuel injected and ways 58 lbs. Supposed to be out in march
You're right, things tend to feel heavier the older I get 😀 I'll look into the newer one, it would be a lot more convenient to take the lighter one for longer trips. Thanks for the info and thanks for watching! 🙂👍
When I bought the Honda generator I went with this brand simply because there was a service center where I could take it to get serviced if I had issues. I could probably handle the issues but I am lazy. It came in handy to during the freeze we had in Texas when we lost power for a week. I basically used it to charge my power banks I had to run my fridge and lights and router. With the fast charging capabilities of my power banks they charged in a couple of hours and would be quiet through the night. It was after that freeze that I bought the 2200I Companion with the 30 amp RV plug. I also converted both generators to propane because during my usual 3 month maintenance of running the generators I could not get it started even though I used ethanol free gas and drained the carb. After fixing the issue I decided than that I would not use gasoline anymore only as an emergency, this way I don't have to worry about the carburetor . Propane does not go bad and I have not experienced a power loss using propane on my fishing trips. What is great you can use either gas or propane if you prefer it without having to change anything other than making sure that your gas does not gum up the carb and exchange it from the gas tank and keep it fresh every few months.
That's a great idea (propane). I'll have to look into a conversion. I may not convert it but it would be nice to know I can and how to. Thanks shelle131 for your comments.
Contact Hutch Mountain for conversion kits. Very simple to do yourself. There several UA-cam videos and Hutch Mountain gives you all the details. Don’t hesitate do the conversion you won’t regret it.
I have only ever used Honda generators - the only noise issue with a Honda Generators is that they are so quiet you might not notice if someone turns it off and steals it - best chain them down and keep them close.
Hey Gregory. Very true! At the time we made this video we had the generator chained. We live in a safe area but during hurricane time thieves are all over the place. Thanks for watching our video Gregory! Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon We use a few Honda generators for our business. Our EU1000i goes out for survey work (charging equipment batteries and running laptops). We shortened our extension cords to 20 feet so we can keep an eye on it, because at 30 feet, it gets lost in background noise. Even at 20 feet, you quickly forget that it is there. Hence, we chain it with a kytonite-grade chain and lock. Our friend had one of his stolen - they used the running generator to power the mini grinder to cut the chain.
In south texas, if you can’t run an air conditioner you wasted your money. I use champion dual fuel 7500kw. It may be loud but I cut some plywood panels to fit around the generator and it cut the noise substantially.
I've heard a lot of good things about Champion generators, they're a bit loud but they're very reliable. I'll have to try the plywood.👍 Thanks Mark for watching and commenting. Mike and Angel.
I have the new Bluetooth eu2200i, but now I'm wanting the new eu3000i. Efficient, reliable, quiet. Honda is the only way. Sure, Honda is very expensive, but in my opinion, it's the cheaper way in the long run. Factor in fuel efficiency, and in short time, the Honda is still cheaper than the Chinese junk champion. I wish prices were better for the 3000 Honda. I'm looking at $2700 today. Contemplating if I should get the 6500 or 7000 just to be future proof. It's just $ right? Lol! Don't tell my wife I said that!
I agree. If I could go back and just purchase one it would be the 3000. Thanks for checking our our video George and hopefully we'll never need our generator except for drydocking in BLM areas.😁 Mike and Angel
Yes, that's a good option too. I heard I can use the 3000 with the 2200. I need to do some research. The two smaller 2200 would be much easier to toss in the back of the truck than the 3000. Thanks Cameron for the suggestion and thanks for watching our video too. Happy Trails & Happy Camping. Mike and Angel
The eu2200i 2200 watt is portable weighing only 47 lbs. The eu3000is is 3,000 watts and weighs a huge130.7 lbs. and it's not going to move after it is placed.
Hey Hornet. I agree, I like the 2200 for that reason, I can move it around where I need it without throwing my back out! (LOL) Thanks for watching our video ! Mike and Angel
The problem with the 3000 is weight, which makes it not that portable. My 2200 will run my 13.5k air conditioner up to about 4000 ft elevation. Plan on installing a easy start on the air conditioner for higher elevations.
Yes, the 3000 is heavy. When we take *long* trips into BLM areas I think we can deal with it, I'll just leave it in the bed of the truck. Thanks for the advise on the easy start. Thanks Ed, and thanks for watching our video.👍🙂 Mike and Angel
Hi Jim That is strange. I ran our Retro's A/C with the EU2200i for about five minutes. I haven't actually needed to use the EU2200i for our Retro's A/C for any length of time but it did run. The specs would suggest it won't run our A/C, that's why I bought the 3000. Thanks Jim for watching our video and for the comment.🙂👍 Mike and Angel.
@@RetroRVRecon I wonder if adding a micro air or soft start to the A/C would work. I've never considered it because my A/C runs on the Onan 2800. Since I have a 2200I companion that has the 30 amp plug I might need to do a test run and see if that will power my A/C which is the Coleman Mach something but draws 1500 watts. Should be able to hand the surge since it is rated to 2200 watt and 1800 of running capacity.
Gasoline has a limited storage life. I try to keep 10 gallons for emergency use, but my buddy forgets to tell me we need to get more because he used it for his lawn tractor. Propare has a very long storage life. I can keep a 20 gallon propane full for a very long time. Frank can't borrow it for the lawn mower or other power tools. Generators running on propane don't produce as much power as propane.
Hey Patrick. Yup, I left gasoline in one of my generators too long, now I need to have it repaired. :( I usually keep two 5 gallon cans and rotate the useage (lawn mowers and stuff). Thanks Patrick for watching our video. Mike and Angel
Hey Robby. Yup, had we known about parallel'n two 2200Is from the start we would have been better off with that. Oh well we live and learn. Thanks for watching our video Robby Happy Trails & Happy Camping Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon understandable. Well, from watching the video you will be happy with the 2 ue2200is together. Most of the time you will be at half load or less, good for noise levels and fuel efficiency. Also only running 1 gen certain times.
Today using a generator and all that is a novelty - i live in the deep south - my grand father was an early 1900s electrican befor rural areas had grid power - Also in 1910 only 10% of citys had power outside the bussness distric of citys - I live in a rural area up till the late 90s the power at times could easely be knocked out. for very long periods - There was no grid power till the 1950s out here for those who had farm light plants - they were 32 volts DC in ruraal towns there were complete lines of 32 volt DC appliances sold for rural homes - There were fridgrs, freezers, radios, water pumps, fans, lights ect - just as there 12 volt appliances for campers today but 32 volts DC - Rural homes with power charged there house batterys all day once a week on friday - they had an agreement to just charge on friday to limit generator noise - During summer they might charge on Monday a half day because fans burned extra power in summer - Most in rural america were off grid till the 1950s or so - Every huricane, tropical storm and ice storm has knocked my power out for lengths of time - I have hunter cieling fans in my place - when the grids down i just use them and a window fan - i grew up with out air-condition - If you have a good ceiling fan its easy to sleep even when its 105°F during the day with out AC - you need a window fan also to move air through a house - I generaly just charge some deep cycle batterys and use an inverter to run my place through the day - ill charge up my battery a few hours a day - That way i only use one or 2 gallons of propane a day - i have a dual fuel 2 kw sportsman - Its hard to get fuel after storms so i just have a 500 gallon bulk propane tank i use to run the generator and a gas stove while the power is out - I just use a 1/2 hp water pump on a inverter by its self that runs the water pump - If you get the 5 star energy fans that blow a lot of air on high when its real hot - with a cieling fan blowing on you when the grid is down you can sleep quite comfortable - As for fans for use on sign wave inverters only buy fans that are 5 star energy fans - they burn a lot less power they use poly phase motors instead of shaded pole motors - Poly phase motors are very efficient -
Hey Able Wow, thanks for the information. I like and use Hunter fans although I have to say, not because of they have a polyphase motor design. For me they are simply reliable fans 😁. In emergency situations, no utility power, my wife and I are quite comfortable with a fan blowing, the RV is a treat. This is the first time I hear about a "Polyphase motor" so you have me interested in how they work, thanks for that.😀 Thanks the information and thanks for watching our video Able!! Mike and Angel
I'll send you more info on all this a little latter on - I was a senior SCR electrician and systems tech in the offshore oil & gas industry for yrs - so I know about power generation and consumption - also my grand father was an early 1900s electrician and many of my uncle's were early electricians and radio tech's - so I have a few generations of electrical knowledge -
Were I'm at power was still very expensive in the 1980s - in city's they might have been paying 3 or 4 cents per kilowatt - Were I live at we were paying 12 to 15 cents a kilowatt in the 1980s - back then few out here in the woods used air conditioning - most bought ceiling and window fans with shaded pole motors - also they had frost free refrigerators - - - those on social security only received $275 a month & many only made $100 a week - Just using a frost free fridges and fans they often had $150 electric bills each month during the summer - In my case I used an old fridge made in 1939 with a polyphase compressor - my water pump had a polyphase motor driving an older piston pump - all my fans had polyphase motors - So I was using the same amount of power as a house in the country used in the 1930s I guess - My electric bill was never over $30 a month during summer - the difference was using polyphase motors for my fans and a older fridge - the old fridges and freezers were built for ambient temperatures of 125° and a run time of 30% at higher out side temperatures - Also every yr my neighbors had to replace some of there fans - in 42 yrs I've had one table top fan motor rewound at a motor rewind shop -
This is working my brain lol - With the inverter generators 50% load is 50% of there rated load - so if the full load is 3600 watts 50% load is 1800 watts - from what I've seen most deliver from 6 to 7000 watts per gallon of gasoline burned at 50% load - that would be 6:1 efficency on gasoline - Inverter generators run at around 2700 RPMs so there is more time to completely burn the fuel per stroke - There is a down side with inverter generators - if your running above 70% there rated full rated load there less efficient than the standard 3600 RPM generator - at 70% they might run at 4000 RPMs but after that point they can run at 5000 RPMs and up - There efficiency will drop to as low as 1.5:1 that means. There generating 1500 watts to 1 gallon of gasoline burned - in that case ether add a second Honda and phase them together - or just use the champion during heavy electrical loads - Every thing I shared is with a single cylinder air cooled engine - In the oilfields some generators have 20 cylinder engines - the more the cylinders the cleaner the power is but they burn a lot more fuel because of all the friction from all the cylinders -
Hey Peter, I really need to look into the options I have with those two. It wasn't until after we purchased the 3000 did I learn the Hondas can be paralleled. "Lesson learned" lol. Thanks for the comment, Peter and thanks for watching out video. Mike and Angel
Well that's awesome news!! I wondered if I could run them in parallel but once our power came back on at home I forgot all about it.🙄 I'll watch Johnny's Weekend, it'll be good information next time a storm knocks our power out. Thanks MJF40 for the feedback, and thanks for watching our video. Mike and Angel
Not really fair to compare an inverter generator with a regular one. We own a Champion inverter and it is very quiet and reliable. It has given us great service at a third of the price.
Hey theguy. Maybe not, but we had all three and thought...not everyone has three different generators, so why not compare them. Using dBs numbers is fine but actually hearing the difference was our goal. Thanks for watching our video! Mike and Angel
lol😁, she knows, Its an inside joke between us. Yes, we ran the TV without any issues using the Champion but I don't really trust the champion with any major electronics since it doesn't have an inverter. The Champion will handle the camper but IMO, I would feel a lot more comfortable using a generator with an inverter. Thanks for asking about the TV, Patrick. Mike and Angel.
Hey Chat, I almost did. I thought I ran both Hondas a few months ago but I must have forgot to run the 3000. I could smell the fuel (bad) so I had to drain it out. It seems to run *ok* but I'll probably have the carb rebuilt (lesson learned). My 2200 runs fine. Thanks for mentioning the fuel tip, thats a great idea to either empty it our of run it regularly. Thanks for watching our video. Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon I recently learned from a repair video (Taryl Dactyl) that since the rope (manual) start is so difficult to pull, it is a faulty inverter, an $800 part! The faulty inverter puts a load on the starter and that's how you can tell. I only used that generator for a couple hours so very dissappointed in Honda.
@@RetroRVRecon One of the gen channels revealed that it is probably the inverter! That will cause a hard pull on a manual start. They are $1000 just for the part.
Hey Tom Solar is an awesome option. However, for this video we were in the aftermath of a hurricane. Solar would have been great but the generator was the most convenient solution at the time. In the future as we travel further from home the solar will absolutely be a plus for us. Thanks Tom for the excellent advice and for watching our video. Mike and Angel
Hey Bob Well, I guess so (apples/oranges) but unless you have an apple and an orange you may not know one is louder than the other. Thanks for watching our video, Bob. Happy Trails & Happy Camping! Mike and Angel.
In National parks Camp grounds that allow generators you can’t use an open frame generator. I’ve see people do it. But, if someone complains Park Rangers will make you turn it off.
The nice lady does not hesitate to blurt out her questions right in the middle of the gentleman speaking. They seem to be OK with that, but it would be very hard on me.
that Champion Generator is Not a Inverter Generator so be careful using it to power sensitive Electronics , For the Money the WEN GN400i 4000W/3500W Inverter Generator is the BEST Bargain @ only $382.99
For sure, we bought it a while back then bought the Inverter Honda. The Champion is a good generator. Thanks for the information on the WEN GN400i. That's an excellent price and review rating (4.5 stars) for an inverter generator. Thanks for watching our video and for the awesome information Dan. Happy Trails & Happy Camping!
Hey allmopars Thanks for watching our video and for the comment. I'm pretty sure nobody cared how loud any of our generators were in our driveway either. 😁 Mike and Angel
Hey h2o100c Yup, happy neighbors. You know what they say...Good fences make good neighbors and quiet genorators make quiet neighbors. Well. that second part was made up. Thanks for spending the time to watch our 23+3 minute video. 😃 Mike and Angel
Hey Scotty. I think there are a few good options at a much lower price. It seems like the Inverter generators are getting more popular, more stores are starting to carrying them. Thanks Scotty for watching our video. Mike and Angel
This is a rather naive narrative that highlights DB's and little else. Comes across as a shill for overpriced Honda generators. Sorry, I went through Ida too; you're fortunate to have an RV. When I couldn't get gas to power my generator after Ida, I bought a trifuel Champion generator and had an electrician install a transfer switch. Now I have three fuel choices. Sure, it's noisy because it's not an invertor generator, but most invertor generators lack the power to run 4 ton A/C units with a soft start unit installed.
Hi Tom Thanks for watching our video we really appreciate the support. And, thanks for mentioning the tri-fuel generator. Not everyone knows you can power a tri-fuel generator with gasoline, propane or natural gas. In the aftermath of a hurricane when power is out for miles and gasoline lines are hundreds of feet long it’s a good piece of advice to go ahead and purchase one before you need it. However, for the sake of this video a portable tri-fuel generator will more than likely still produce high dBs (like the one in our video) and not be a welcome piece of machinery while camping. The Champion 8000-Watt portable tri-fuel will produce 74dB whereas the Honda EU3000iS will produce only 57dB. The tri-fuel doesn’t have an inverter so it could also cause damage to sensitive RV related electronics. I will say that the Tri-fuel is the better choice at home for emergencies if you need more watts but, when out dry docking in a national forest hoping to enjoy the peace and quiet of nature, a loud and noisy generator will certainly ruin the experience for others. Also, as an update… I recently ran all three generators from the video. All three still start relatively quickly (Of course the EU3000 is a key start) and still produce the expected output. Honda EU3000 = approx.. $2500.00 (54dB) Tri-Fuel Champion = approx. $1300.00 (74dB) Honda 2200 = approx.$1200.00 (50dB) Champion 4500 = approx. $420.00 (70dB) Thanks again Tom for your support and your contribution to this video, we are a community of campers.😀 Happy Trails & Happy Camping Mike and Angel
Awesome "pseudo"! We really appreciate the time you took to watch then comment on our video. I'm glad you found "other gems" too. 😃 Happy Trails & Happy Camping!!
Nothing like comparing two Honda Inverter Generators to a Champion Open Frame contractor's generator. Same as comparing an old VW Bug to new Mercedes. Rather biased review.
Hey Jim, you're absolutely right! Fortunately for us we were able to upgrade to the Honda inverter generator (3000) just a day or so after hurricane Ida. Knowing the power would be out for several weeks the thought of sleeping in a small camper with a roaring contractor grade generator would have added more stress to what was already a stressful situation. Had I known months before how quiet the Hondas are compared to the contractor grade Champion I would have purchased only one generator. Not everyone can afford a Mercedes, so its nice to know a VW will do the job. Thank Jim for watching our video! Mike and Angel
this video would have been much better if the woman didn't talk - she didn't have anything useful to add and she kept interrupting the guy right when he was about to say something important
Since you sayz the word Cajun, here beez a JW Joke. == Boudreaux woke one morning and his wife Bernease was missing. He called Thibodeaux to help seach for her, they drove all around all day searching, then Boudreaux gets a call from Thibodeaux. Boudreaux says "OHHHHHH thank THe Lord you find her Thib. Thibodeaux explained she was way out in the water face down in da Bayou . Boudreaux says well get her out i'm on my way der. Thibodeaux says Ohhh Nooooo Boudreaux, i picked two dozen Big Blue Crabs off her, I'm gonna come back in the morning and check her Again.
For those wondering, you can also parallel the Eu3000 and eu2200 together. I use a harbor freight parallel kit and it works wonderfully.
Thanks TinyTJ04, that's good information!!
@RetroRVRecon happy to help. It's nice to do when you want to run things that might be a little bit more than the eu3000 can do on its own. Especially if you want to run on eco mode and still start those larger draw loads.
I live off the grid in Tennessee..Have battery stations a solar panel and a Honda EU2200i with Bluetooth and were happy with that because we don't have a lot of money
Hey Dave
Yup, its a good buy, Its fairly efficient too.
Thank Dave for watching our video!!!
Mike and Angel
I have used the Honda 3000 to run several servers in an outage. What a nice generator!
Absolutely!
Thanks for watching, Ben.
Great video and comparison of generators. I considered buying the EU 3000 Honda but opted to buy two Honda 2200I instead. It is easier to carry one at a time. Also one is the Honda 2200I and the second one is the Honda 2200I companion.
The companion has the 30 amp RV plug and when paralleled with the 2200I I get full 30 amps out of my generator. Thanks for sharing.
Hey shelley131
I agree. The 3000 won't fit under our tonneau cover but two 2200s will. In the future we'll probably get another 2200 because of the portability.
Thanks shelley131 for the comment and thank you very much for watching our video. :)
Mike and Angel
I recently bought a Tractor Supply Sportsman 3850/3500 generator on sale for $269 plus tax w/free shipping.
I’m stunned at the performance and economy! I was bivouacking in a primitive camping area on a wildlife management area. Temperature was 40-50deg day time and low mid 20’s night. The generator started easily, and quickly warmed up. First night was warmer and I ran it in econo mode. Fore 10hrd it used less than 2gal! Second night it was so cold I had to run it in regular mode and in 12hrs it used 2.5gal.
I still No Name 2800/2500 unit I purchased in 2001 from Walmart for $289. It’s been great, still runs great but uses easily twice the amount of fuel. Old unit has a 3.5gal tank, new unit has a 4.0gal tank.
Drain the fuel after every use, run till unit quits. Spray a little fogging agent into spark plug hole and you’re good. I also replace the oil with fresh Synthetic 10w-30 oil. Thus treated, I’m not sure you can wear them out. Even the cheap Chinese ones.
And btw, the new 3850/3500 will run the a/c AND the microwave at the same time. The 2800/2500 won’t.
Hey John, thats sounds good!! Its good to read this sort of feedback on the inexpensive generators. A little frontend maintenance will pay for itself!
Thanks for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
@@johnkilgore1055 Thanks even better news!!!
Thanks for the review ! Nice to see real world review and applications :)
Hey James
All three of the generators we had in the video are still working fine. The 3000 Honda is still the quietest of the three. We hear the Predator is quiet at a better price.
Thanks for watching our video, James.
Mike and Angel
Honda just introduced an EU3200 which is similar to the EU2000 in size with lot more output power. Expensive, but Honda has lead the generator world for many years. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. Also the pneumatic wheel kit for the EU3000 makes it much more portable.
I'm going to have to look into the kit. I just pulled out the generators for their quarterly run and they are tough to move around. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm gonna use it.
I'd like to check out that EU3200 if only to see it.
Thanks SLick41, I appreciate the comment and suggestion. and...thanks for watching!!
Mike and Angel
New honda 32.overpriced.overatedT800Aust
The 3200 putts out the power but it’s screaming at high demand. The eu3000 runs at a slower rpm at full power. More pleasant on the ears.
Thanks for that great Video, its allways nice to hear some real world experiences :)
You're welcome, martin.
Thanks for watching the video!
This was extremely helpful. Definitely gonna save up for the Honda. Sorry you guys lost power for so long. Hopefully no property damage! God bless.
Hey Whitesp44
We're glad you found this helpful, that's what its all about. I think you'll like the Honda.
We had minimal damage, we were very fortunate.
Thanks Whitesp44 for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
Great video, I was working at Fort Polk Louisiana when we had those back to back 2020 hurricanes, I was in my camper and had my little loud craftsman generator and it is loud, but in those situations where everyone in the camp ground has generators running the noise isn't an issue. You can lean a couple of pieces of plywood up against a generator to soften the sound while being careful not to stop venting and cooling air.
Hey Dean
Yup, you're right. If everyone has a generator running its no big deal. I'm guessing you went through Hurricane Laura, is that right?
Before Hurricane Ida hit I was curious about an RV generator for long distance travel (BLM camp sites). Well, now I know, the little Honda will be fine as long as I don't need an A/C. Plus its very quiet.
Thanks Dean for watching our video, stay safe this up coming hurricane season!
Mike and Angel
That's the way, I like to see things...Telling it like is .
Thanks for sharing video, It was well worth watching 👀 👍 your a beautiful couple 💑
Thanks again
Hey Ted
We're glad to be helpful and thank you for watching the video..
Thanks even more for the kind words about Angel and me ☺. We really enjoy making these videos and we enjoy each others company.
Happy Trails & Happy Camping, Ted.
Mike and Angel
I wonder whether the lady was once a teacher. She's quite articulate and full of little details that are quite easy to forget
Hey John
Hm...I wonder (?).🙂
Yes, Angel is very articulate and full of great ideas.
And that's only what yall see on the videos. ☺
We learn so much from each other.🥰🥰
Thanks John for the kind words and thanks for watching out video too.
Mike and Angel
Over all women pay attention to details compared to men -
@@able880
I agree, Angel is very good with details. I'm quite grateful too.🙂
I spent most of my life single - I was married for a while then my wife took fight since I was offshore a lot -
When they started sending women offshore we found they couldn't handle the hard physical work every day as the guys did -
It was things like a sledge hammer - half of the energy of swing a sledge hammer Is holding on to the hammer -
We learned women can swing a hammer just like guys the first day - but many could swing the hammer the second day but could not hold on to the hammer -
The sledge hammer would fly out there hands the second day they didn't have the strength to old the handle tight enough -
We found that it was better to place them in administrative work - the old guys that grew up on farms said it was there mother's and sisters that handled the books of the farm not the husband or son's -
In the end we found ways to move them off the floor and into administration - there mind works differently and they can see every thing happening at on time - were as men focus on one thing at a time -
There interesting things we learned about women - if they said something is burning - some guys ignored what they said because they didn't smell anything -
Suddenly there was an alarm that something was burning up or on fire -
every thing in the oilfields becomes data that we rely on and down load into the systems or computers -
If a women said she could hear a strange sound we found we better start looking to see what was making that strange sound we could not here as men -
It might just be a cylinder missing out on a generator so out of 3 generators with 20 cylinders each they could hear one out of 60 cylinders missing out -
Men can't hear that well compared to women - I had mentioned the notice details we don't see -
I'm not sure if I'm correct on this but I think they can see up to 100 shades of colors - we might see the color red and that's it - but from what I remember reading is they can tell very sight differences in the shades of red -
That is very important on know when to harvest certain crops - farmer would rely on there wives and daughters to know when it was time to harvest crops -
Women have a far better 6th sense then men also -
On a platform if they said something wasn't right you better start looking around to see what was ready to.blow -
Most of the time they were right -
I've been through 4 blow outs in the 70s so I listened to them when they said something is not right. -
In the 70s my mother was terrified every time I left to go offshore it was that 6th sense - she felt the danger although I lied and said there was nothing to worry about -
I had two aunts and a grandmother that kept saying the we're praying for my safety - I'm so glad of that I was totally unscathed or unharmed through those blow outs -
I was even on a chopper that lost both engines for a few seconds - one engine fired up and we made it to land -
In the end your wife will feel, see, hear, smell, things that you will never pay mind to -
@@able880
Hey able880, thanks for sharing all of that.
I have a few friends that still work offshore. I don't believe I could be away from my wife for the durations off-shore work requires. I absolutely agree what yo say about women having better senses than men. Angel is the hardest working I have ever known, a great woman, I'm lucky and happy that she married me. 🥰
Thanks again able880 for sharing and thank you for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
I use the Predator 3500 inverter. Runs for 12 hours on the camper, eco mode saves a lot of fuel. It's a great boon docking generator for summers at Rutherford Beach when you NEED the air conditioner at night. Very quiet as well.
And it holds only 2.5 gallons of gas!
Hey bayoubees.
They're also quiet on the wallet too!!😃
Thanks for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
It a knock off of the Honda basically. I have one also.
@@michael931 👍
Hello Retro RV Recon,
Nice review!
I have been so convinced that the EU3000is is the best quiet generator on the planet, I purchase one again 15 years later. I was worried they would replace it. It is heavy and not easy to move but with large capacity fuel tank, electric start, and SO quiet it is unrivaled. NOTHING compares when you see the EU3000 in actual operation.
That being stated, best value is to buy two EU2000 (2200) generators for less or same cost. More power, easy to move, and can divide when not needed in parallel.
EU3000 for Mom....she cannot pull start.
Next on the budget.....EU7000! Electric start, wheel cart, and also SUPER QUIET!
The Honda's are VERY expensive, but the long-life, clean power, and quiet operation go far to justify the purchase.
Only my opinion, worth it!
P-Chi.
Hey P-Chi
Thanks for the comment. Yes, two of the 2000s (in parallel) would be a lot easier especially for traveling. We got the 3000 to use for our camper at home since hurricane Ida knocked out power in the area. Two of the 2000 would be ideal if we were to travel to remote areas. We haven't yet but plan to in the future.🙂
We like the Hondas and since we already have a 2000 and a 3000 I figure we won't need one for quite some time.😀
Thanks again for the comment and for watching our video!👍
Mike and Angel
Great video 🎉 love the talk
Hey Fabian. Thanks!
Thanks for watching our video. 🙂
Mike and Angel
Those Honda generators are tanks too. I bought one 15 years ago, the eu3000is, and it has hundreds if not thousands of hours on it and it still fires up with one pull after all this time. It's still very quiet. Just break it in properly, change the oil regularly and it will literally last forever! They are expensive but it will be the last generator you buy if you buy the size you need and your needs don't change.
Hey Sheriff
I absolutely agree! They're like a Timex (giving away my age, lol).
Thanks Sheriff for watching our video!!
Mike and Angel
I picked up a predator for the house to keep the lights and water on, horses water and toilets have to work😂 it does the job but it’s noisy, you may have talked me into the Honda, thanks for the content
Hey Scott
If it weren't for the camper we may have just kept the Champion. After *not* hearing how loud the Honda is 😁 it will be tough to use a louder generator again. However, in a pinch I'll crank up the Champion in a heartbeat.😃
Thanks Scott for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
Just did a camping trip with my son he had a super quiet predator, got it on sale for 600.00 normally around 800 I’ll probably get that for the camper, really nice unit for the money
@@MrDonkybonk I agree, that's a good deal.
Nice review! I went for the smaller honda because of fuel consumption as running the air con isn't that important but still able
Hey Dennis.
Yes, the little one is very good on fuel. Unless we need the A/C we use the small one.
Thanks Dennis for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
Honda is the very best. i have 4 Honda generators. all work efficient and quiet
Hey @AA
Yup! I have to agree. 😀
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching our video!!
Mike and Angel
So much Love and Respect for both Husband and wife...👍❤️👍❤️That's what I want too But I the B. Oh well life is not fair
Thank you so much and thanks for watching our video too.🙂
We wish you the best Sralaine.☺
Mike and Angel
We have a Champion 3400 duel fuel inverter generator and love it. It is almost as quiet as the Honda and we bought it on sale a few years ago for around $700. It is very quiet and powerful enough for our camper or house emergency.
Hey Larry, that's good information about the Champion. Its good info like that that helps folks to make a smart purchase. Only recently I've been seeing the Champion inverter generators. I wish that was a local option a few years ago.🙄
What model Champion do you have?
Thanks for the comment and for watching our video Larry!!😀
Mike and Angel
1 or twice a year you’re ok. 24/7 you’ll love Honda
what,s a "parish" ? i am in Canada and have never heard that term before ! btw i purchased a Firman WO3386 gen for our camper , one great selling point was the remote start .
Hey Northlander.
A "parish" is the same as a "county" or "province".
Louisiana uses the term "Parish" not county.
I wish my generators had wheels Firman does. It would make moving them around a lot easier. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon thanks for your reply
You can parallel connect the EU2000is with the EU3000is and it will add 2,000 or 2,200 wore watts for a total of 5,200 watts. You can also add extended run tanks for both the 3000 and 2200.
Hey Alex.
No kidding!! I've been meaning to look into whether or not you can parallel two different models.
That's great information!!
Thanks Alex!
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVReconHonda will say you can’t do it but it work just fine.
@@Idahoprepper71 They want you to buy another one, lol.
Thanks forbthe comparison. Weve got a new champion dual fuel thats fairly quiet. And and older but not that old hinda 3000. Being quieter might have to get that thing running.
Hey Cobra
I hear (no pun intended LOL) the newer Champions are quieter, thats good because they are a solid generator. Break out the carb cleaner and get that old(er) Honda running! 😁😄
Thanks for watching our video!!
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon can't stand this ethanol fuel. I have 3 generators that need car work. A Generac 2000, the Honda 3000 (I wish it was the 3200 efi) and a 12,000w that the float stuck.
@@78cobra
I don't like it either. We have several locations around here that offer non-ethanol fuel. I try not to run ethanol or added ethanol through the smaller engines that sit for a while.
Its a pain when you're ready to use something then figure out the fuel has gum'd up to carburetor.😒
Mike
I know this is an old thread, but thought I’d chime in with three points anyway. First, the key to increasing fuel efficiency is whether it’s an inverter type or not. Your traditional generator will need to run at full rpm regardless of load. The inverter type allows for the engine to adjust its speed according to power requirements when using eco mode. Second, most inverter generators have an enclosed design which makes them quieter. I have seen some open inverter models but don’t recall any straight generator types. Third, consider a dual fuel generator. Gasoline doesn’t store well but propane stores indefinitely. I have an older open frame Champion one similar to the video that I bought used for emergency purposes after a brief power outage at home. The previous owner used both gasoline and propane in it so I try to be mindful of the carburetor. With this one I make sure I shut off the fuel and let the engine die that way. But I also recently purchased a Predator 5000 inverter, dual fuel generator. I hope to never put gasoline in its tank, thereby never needing to worry about a plugged carb. An added benefit is the combustion is much cleaner too. The downside of propane is that your maximum output will be reduced so just keep that in mind.
BTW- what caught my eye to even watch this video was Angel’s shirt.
My you guys are awesome I wish I would have seen this before purchasing mine 😂
Hey Blankverse.
Thank you!☺
It took us two other generators before we were really happy with the 3000IS. It still works very well. Well, all three of them do but we still prefer the 3000IS.😃
Thanks for watching our video!!
Mike and Angel
Great video. Thank you. Do you ever worry about Carbon Monoxide and the need for venting?
Hey Margaret.
No, not really. We only use the generator in a well ventilated area, being sure the generator exhaust is drifting away from the camper. We also have a multi gas sensor in the camper that will let us know if there area any gases in the camper. To be clear, we keep the generator outside of the camper. :)
Great question!!👍
Thank you Margaret for the question and thanks for watching our video too.
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon Thank you for answering! And timely as we live south of Houston and just had a visitor, Beryl. Hope you guys have a peaceful H-season.
@@margaretgaspard5813
Hey Margaret.
I heard Beryl did a lot of damage for a relatively small H. We hope you and your family made out ok.
We wish yall the same peaceful Hurricane season.
Mike and Angel
Amen!
@@margaretgaspard5813 ☺
I bought the Honda 2200i couple years ago, really nice for emergencies. I really like that Honda 3000is, got me thinking now, looks like a 2 person lifter thou. What size AC Unit do you have on the Campter Roof, a 15k OR 13.5 btu? Mine is a 13.5 and i am wondering just in case one day i may need to hook them up.
Not sure what BTU, I'll check and get back to you.
Greets and thanks for the great content! Wife and I have the same Honda EU300IS gen and cannot run the AC, it stops and says overdraw prob - do you have a soft start device to let that happen to work? Asking so that perhaps I am having an issue with the AC unit with overdraw. Blessings and hope to hear from you! Steve
Hey Steve
Thanks for the kind words.
I haven't modified the A/C in the camper at all. I would suggest checking the A/C power requirement (if you haven't already checked).
The 189R A/C pulls right at 3000W at start up (maxing out the Honda) but uses less than 2000 to stay running. We don't use much at all in the camper while using the A/C but then again, that was just during the time we were without power at home.
This is what I would try.
I would...
-Run the generator with ECO switch "OFF"
-Set the A/C thermostat to its warmest setting
-Turn switch (fan speed) to low cool
...Once the Generator has caught up I would...
-turn the thermostat to its coolest setting.
The fan motor has a hefty inrush of amps but drops off after a few seconds.
I hope this information helps. If it does or doesn't would you let me know?
Thanks Steve, and thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
Great video thank you. One question is does the Honda 3000 have a backup pull cord to start it? P.S. you forgot the link to the bike lock lol
Hey cdweddle.
Thanks!
Yes it does, I had to use it about a month ago, it starts pretty easily with the pull. I'll have to look into a replacement battery for it.
The bike lock, yes we forgot to link it. I'll have to go back and fix that. ☺
Thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
I wonder what they do to an inverter generator to make it run so much quieter than a construction generator. We can guess sound insulation but if so then why not a construction generator?
Hey Dan. I'm glad you asked! There are several reasons but I think what you and I are looking for is, they...(from the internet) "Have a noise-reducing design. Inverter generators are built with features to reduce noise, such as enclosed casings and mufflers. "
I think your second question could have to do with cost. I've wondered if I could just put a better muffler on a construction generator. (hm???)
Thanks Dan for the comment and for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
The ideal situation would be to run a generator during the day, and power the A/C at night with a bank of LiFePO4 batteries while sleeping. And of course the generator would charge the batteries during the day.
Hey firecloud, yes that would be ideal. If we ever chose to camp for long durations that would be an option we would seriously consider.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
Thanks. Good video.
You're welcome and thanks for watching.
I just ran these generators last week. Hopefully I won't need them for hurricane season this year.
😯😃
How high is the 3000i vs 2200i. ? If you know.
Hey Jaco.
The price difference is about $1000.00
You might find the 2200 for about $1000 and the 3000 for about $2000. Check around, they have deals all the time at different stores.
They were more than that when we bought ours, about two years ago.
I ran all three generators a few weeks ago, they run just fine.
Thank you for watching our video, Jaco!
Happy Trails & Happy Camping
Mike and Angel
I just brought a EU3000is home.
Hey Gary, Awesome!!
You're gonna really enjoy that quiet generator.
Thanks for watching our video!
Happy Trails & Happy Camping
Mike and Angel
What about a dual fuel? Cleaner running with propane
Hey Lizadoliddle
Good question, I'll have to read the comment if anyone has feedback on that.
Thanks for the question!
Mike and Angel
Amazzing review you guys are so silly I love it im so getting the honda generator tho need something quiet quiet
Hey RealUnknownGamer.
Thank you so much, we love being playful and having fun. :)
Both of our Honda generators are very quiet. IMO, its a good buy.
Thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel.
I was under the impression that 2 generators paralleled won't double the wattage output. But if your powered system requires more watts , the generator that is paralleled will increase the power needed. I've never had to parallel my generators, knowledge is from watching UA-cam . For what it's worth.
Hey rdpaullin
I'm with you, I've never had to parellel...yet. :)
Thanks for watching!
Mike and Angel
On a campsite where there are other people camping you dont want to be that guy who runs a generator. Not even a honda inverter generator. Period. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Swillems.
I agree 100%. May on BLM land in the west but not a "campground" like the ones we visit.
Thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
U don't like it ........move. Dumbest thing I've heard all week
You guys are great! I have the Champion Dual fuel Inverter 4250, it’s much louder than the claimed 64 dB, on the heavy side, and not so practical for my camping needs but fine for home use. However the dual fuel feature is great to have. Looking for something that can run the soft-start AC in the event of a power outage in a camp ground, or if we do an overnight in a parking lot somewhere, recharge batteries, I can lift into and out of the truck, and runs quiet. I’m thinking seriously about getting the Honda 2200i. Thanks !
Hey Rory.
Thank you.
I haven't actually heard (no pun intended😄) any of the Champion Inverter generators yet. I bet the 4250 is great for around the house for a power outage (hurricane). Around here in the Deep South we all need to be very mindful of what works more than what is quiet.😁
Talking to friends and reading replies to this video, a lot of folks like the Champion brand generators, including me.
The Honda's are good, then so are the Champions. Honda's are just a bit quieter, for camping.
Thank you Rory for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
What do you think of duel fuel?
Hey Diver
I think the idea is great! Our generators aren't set up for it though.😏
At the time of the purchase we were just happy to get that Honda 3000 generator (right after hurricane Ida). If/when I do purchase another one I will really consider the duel fuel.
Thanks for watching our video, Diver!
Mike and Angel
I converted our Hondas to propane never going back to gasoline.
I hear the cicadas ❤
Hey WindyGypsy, yeah, they get loud. We enjoy them on summer evening.
Thanks WindyGypsy, for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
I also have a Dual Fuel 13kw Duromax and tested it with Propane. Just 2 years after purchasing, I decided to start it again and it is completely unoperational. The fuel selector switch won't even detent at the fuel settings so can't figure out how to set it. Very disappointed in Duromax.
Hey Chat.
and that's not a cheap generator either. I hate to hear you have a issue like this.I hear pros and cons about duel fuels, I think for now I'll just stay put with the gasoline generators. Thanks again for the information, that helps a lot of people!
Mike and Angel
Install soft start on your rv air conditioner. You will be amazed how well it works.
Hey Patrick.
I was told this before, I need to go ahead and install one. And, thanks for watching our video!!
Mike and Angel
After two days of 16 hour shifts straight, this video made me smile. New Sub, generator lover also.
Hi JAFO4U, we're glad to have put a smile on your face☺. Thank you for watching and thank you very much for subscribing!!☺☺
We hope you get some good rest.
Mike and Angel.
Ted has the Honda 2000 he uses at work. We tried to run our camper with it and as you said it won't run the ac. We were going to buy the Honda eu 3000 but because of the price we went with the harbor freight predator 3500. Thanks for sharing.
Sorry for the late reply, I missed this one.
Yes, the EU3000 is pricey, how do yall like the Predator? It would be nice to know it's equal to the Honda for less than half the price.
Thank you for watching the video and agian, sorry for the late reply.🙂
My Honda 2000 watt will run my 12000 btu window ac with no problem. The ac units in most campers must not be very efficient. Tag on my ac says 11 amps needed to run.
I have the Predator 2200 and it runs my TT a/c all day long. If I need to use the microwave, I just turn the a/c off for the short time of use, then turn the a/c back on.
Do you guys have a soft start in your ac? That small Honda generator would be able to run it without any issues.
No we don't. I was talking to someone today and mentioned your comment. I'm going to look into it. I would much rather take the smaller generator even if only to run the A/C.
Thanks for the information!!
and...thanks for watching. 😀
@@RetroRVRecon I installed a MicroAir Easy Start 364 on my 15K BTU air conditioner and my Honda eu2200 Companion handles it just fine along with lights and television. Run the fridge and water heater on propane and you’re set. I turn the AC off if I need to use the microwave and turn it back on when I'm finished. I have an older Honda eu2000i that I can parallel with the 2200 Companion if needed but found that the 2200 Companion handles everything just fine on it's own. The 2200 is a lot easier to move around than that 130# eu3000i. Happy camping and I'm glad to see you have plenty of backup generator power.
@@redsnowplow7985 Thanks, I'm going to have to check into that MicroAir... Thanks for the input, it would be nice to only need the smaller generator.👍🙂
Take in to consideration running the inverter at or near max capacity eats into its life longevity and maintenance. I wouldnt put my honda at max cap they arent cheap. Where the higher rated inverters aren't working as hard to power. 3k I think is perfect for both worlds.
Great video, very helpful. Relative to your comment on 2dB being noticeable: Decibels measure sound level on a log scale. 3dB shift is twice as loud. So yes, 2 dB is significant. And 34 dB is very quiet
Hey Kurt
Thanks for the comment. I wouldn't use anything obnoxiously loud in a campground (Champion) but if I had to us a generator I would use (sparingly) the Honda 3000. Besides, camping to us is about getting away from the sounds of the city. 😁
Thanks, Kurt, for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
thank you
You're welcome Alex and thanks for watching our video. :)
You can run the the small Honda in parallel to double the power. The new eu32 should be able to run an ac. If I ever buy a new generator for camping it will be a Honda.
Hi Sebastain
Yes, the Honda is a nice generator. Some other comments here suggest a few options but I may just stick with Honda, especailly since I already own one. LOL
I need to look into parrelling the two Hondas I have but for now the 3000iS is working well.
Thanks for watching.
Mike and Angel
Consider to get the 7000 size generator. Much larger fuel tank.
Hey Harry.
I think for now I'll stick with the smaller one. If we used it more I would consider your excellent advise.
Thank you Harry for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
What’s a Honda ev4010 worth has like 80hours runs great
Hey Henry.
Wow, I really don't know without looking on the internet for pricing. I'm sure its not too far from the original price, those Hondas have a good resale.
Thanks Henry for watching our video, good luck with the sale of the Honda (buying or selling).
Mike and Angel
Will the smaller Honda parallel to the bigger one? I bought the EU2200 with the misconception it would run my 13.5k a/c. I see Honda makes a suitcase style EU3200i now that should do the job. I just don't know whether to buy another 2200 and pair them or to sell the one I've got and go with the EU3200.
Hi Jim, I've been meaning t research this. I sure hope so. I've heard it will but I would like to reach out to Honda for conformation.
I think I would easily sell my two Hondas for the suitcase style 3200i, that would be ideal for us.
Thanks for the heads up about the 3200 Jim!!😀
Happy Trails & Happy Camping!
What did you do in the end?
@@swhiting100 Nothing. We just live without the a/c when we get sites without electric. I considered getting a soft start capacitor for the camper to ease the load when the a/c starts up but even then the 2200 is probably a little too small anyway. I looked at the EU3200 but to be honest if I do get another generator then I'd likely get the Generac 3500. They seem to get some amazing reviews for a fraction of the cost.
Thanks for the comparison! The problem I had with the Honda is the new 3200i is $2500 before tax and it has no DC out. Too, I can buy 4 of the Champions 4500/3650 (which has eco mode, a fuel gauge and DC out) for the price of one Honda. It will run 22 hours on 4 gallons of gas, and yes it is 64 dB at idle but it's for home use so no big deal. I can lift the 75 pound Champ but not the 130 pound Honda. I agree the Honda is the best generator for long term but if the Champ only lasts for half the distance, I thought it was a good buy.
Hey zone47
Thanks for bringing up this generator. When we purchased our Champion generator this one wasn't an option;
*Champion Power Equipment 4,500/3,650-Watt OFI Generator with Paralink* (
I use the HF Predator not as nice as the honda but 1/3 the cost still very quite.
Thanks for the info on that one, I'm sure there are a lot of good solid choices for generators.
Mike and Angel
That is a fine generster the thing is as you get older like me you will fine out 154 lbs full of gas is more than you can handle i sold mine. They are comming out with a 3200 that is fuel injected and ways 58 lbs. Supposed to be out in march
You're right, things tend to feel heavier the older I get 😀
I'll look into the newer one, it would be a lot more convenient to take the lighter one for longer trips.
Thanks for the info and thanks for watching! 🙂👍
But 3200 has 200 less watts and a tiny tank. Some will take a trade off with fuel capacity, electric start vs true portability.
i just got the 3200 an is amazing
When I bought the Honda generator I went with this brand simply because there was a service center where I could take it to get serviced if I had issues. I could probably handle the issues but I am lazy. It came in handy to during the freeze we had in Texas when we lost power for a week. I basically used it to charge my power banks I had to run my fridge and lights and router. With the fast charging capabilities of my power banks they charged in a couple of hours and would be quiet through the night. It was after that freeze that I bought the 2200I Companion with the 30 amp RV plug.
I also converted both generators to propane because during my usual 3 month maintenance of running the generators I could not get it started even though I used ethanol free gas and drained the carb. After fixing the issue I decided than that I would not use gasoline anymore only as an emergency, this way I don't have to worry about the carburetor . Propane does not go bad and I have not experienced a power loss using propane on my fishing trips. What is great you can use either gas or propane if you prefer it without having to change anything other than making sure that your gas does not gum up the carb and exchange it from the gas tank and keep it fresh every few months.
That's a great idea (propane). I'll have to look into a conversion. I may not convert it but it would be nice to know I can and how to.
Thanks shelle131 for your comments.
I have converted both of our Honda inverters to propane. Never going back to gasoline by choice.
Contact Hutch Mountain for conversion kits. Very simple to do yourself. There several UA-cam videos and Hutch Mountain gives you all the details. Don’t hesitate do the conversion you won’t regret it.
I have only ever used Honda generators - the only noise issue with a Honda Generators is that they are so quiet you might not notice if someone turns it off and steals it - best chain them down and keep them close.
Hey Gregory.
Very true! At the time we made this video we had the generator chained. We live in a safe area but during hurricane time thieves are all over the place.
Thanks for watching our video Gregory!
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon We use a few Honda generators for our business. Our EU1000i goes out for survey work (charging equipment batteries and running laptops). We shortened our extension cords to 20 feet so we can keep an eye on it, because at 30 feet, it gets lost in background noise. Even at 20 feet, you quickly forget that it is there. Hence, we chain it with a kytonite-grade chain and lock.
Our friend had one of his stolen - they used the running generator to power the mini grinder to cut the chain.
@@gregorymacneil2836 ...and these little things aren't cheap either!
@@RetroRVRecon You get what you pay for! Even with old fuel they start on the second pull! Have a great New Year’s!
@@gregorymacneil2836 You too!!
In south texas, if you can’t run an air conditioner you wasted your money. I use champion dual fuel 7500kw. It may be loud but I cut some plywood panels to fit around the generator and it cut the noise substantially.
I've heard a lot of good things about Champion generators, they're a bit loud but they're very reliable. I'll have to try the plywood.👍
Thanks Mark for watching and commenting.
Mike and Angel.
I have the new Bluetooth eu2200i, but now I'm wanting the new eu3000i. Efficient, reliable, quiet. Honda is the only way. Sure, Honda is very expensive, but in my opinion, it's the cheaper way in the long run. Factor in fuel efficiency, and in short time, the Honda is still cheaper than the Chinese junk champion.
I wish prices were better for the 3000 Honda. I'm looking at $2700 today. Contemplating if I should get the 6500 or 7000 just to be future proof.
It's just $ right? Lol! Don't tell my wife I said that!
I agree. If I could go back and just purchase one it would be the 3000.
Thanks for checking our our video George and hopefully we'll never need our generator except for drydocking in BLM areas.😁
Mike and Angel
Another option is two of the small Hondas. It’s cheaper than the one larger Honda.
Yes, that's a good option too. I heard I can use the 3000 with the 2200. I need to do some research.
The two smaller 2200 would be much easier to toss in the back of the truck than the 3000.
Thanks Cameron for the suggestion and thanks for watching our video too.
Happy Trails & Happy Camping.
Mike and Angel
You can start the generators with the cords plugged in, just make sure there isn’t a load on them.
Hi Peter
Thanks for the information. That's good to know.🙂. Your post reminds me I need to run them.👍
Thanks for watching our video
Mike and Angel
The eu2200i 2200 watt is portable weighing only 47 lbs. The eu3000is is 3,000 watts and weighs a huge130.7 lbs. and it's not going to move after it is placed.
Hey Hornet.
I agree, I like the 2200 for that reason, I can move it around where I need it without throwing my back out! (LOL)
Thanks for watching our video !
Mike and Angel
The problem with the 3000 is weight, which makes it not that portable.
My 2200 will run my 13.5k air conditioner up to about 4000 ft elevation.
Plan on installing a easy start on the air conditioner for higher elevations.
Yes, the 3000 is heavy. When we take *long* trips into BLM areas I think we can deal with it, I'll just leave it in the bed of the truck. Thanks for the advise on the easy start.
Thanks Ed, and thanks for watching our video.👍🙂
Mike and Angel
Strange because my EU2200i will not even start my 13.5k air conditioner.
Hi Jim
That is strange. I ran our Retro's A/C with the EU2200i for about five minutes. I haven't actually needed to use the EU2200i for our Retro's A/C for any length of time but it did run. The specs would suggest it won't run our A/C, that's why I bought the 3000.
Thanks Jim for watching our video and for the comment.🙂👍
Mike and Angel.
@@RetroRVRecon I wonder if adding a micro air or soft start to the A/C would work. I've never considered it because my A/C runs on the Onan 2800. Since I have a 2200I companion that has the 30 amp plug I might need to do a test run and see if that will power my A/C which is the Coleman Mach something but draws 1500 watts. Should be able to hand the surge since it is rated to 2200 watt and 1800 of running capacity.
@@shelley131 Let us know!
Thanks shelley
The only thing you didn’t mention was the weight the EU 3000 is 140 pounds the EU 2200 I believe is 46 pounds.
Hey Mike, you're right. Thanks for covering that bit for me. Its good to know.
Thanks for watching our channel and for the comment.
Mike and Angel
Gasoline has a limited storage life. I try to keep 10 gallons for emergency use, but my buddy forgets to tell me we need to get more because he used it for his lawn tractor.
Propare has a very long storage life. I can keep a 20 gallon propane full for a very long time. Frank can't borrow it for the lawn mower or other power tools.
Generators running on propane don't produce as much power as propane.
Hey Patrick.
Yup, I left gasoline in one of my generators too long, now I need to have it repaired. :(
I usually keep two 5 gallon cans and rotate the useage (lawn mowers and stuff).
Thanks Patrick for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
Ramble ramble ramble....go Honda.
Hey Texasprepper.
Yup!! lol.
Thanks for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
Dang should have gotten another eu2200i and paralleled them together. Save money and get rid of the rest.
Hey Robby.
Yup, had we known about parallel'n two 2200Is from the start we would have been better off with that. Oh well we live and learn.
Thanks for watching our video Robby
Happy Trails & Happy Camping
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon understandable. Well, from watching the video you will be happy with the 2 ue2200is together. Most of the time you will be at half load or less, good for noise levels and fuel efficiency. Also only running 1 gen certain times.
@@robbystewart8088
I agree. 👍
Get a solft start for air an a boat 6 gal tant
Yeah, I've heard that good advice about the A/C.
Thanks again Howard.
Today using a generator and all that is a novelty - i live in the deep south - my grand father was an early 1900s electrican befor rural areas had grid power -
Also in 1910 only 10% of citys had power outside the bussness distric of citys -
I live in a rural area up till the late 90s the power at times could easely be knocked out. for very long periods -
There was no grid power till the 1950s out here for those who had farm light plants - they were 32 volts DC in ruraal towns there were complete lines of 32 volt DC appliances sold for rural homes -
There were fridgrs, freezers, radios, water pumps, fans, lights ect - just as there 12 volt appliances for campers today but 32 volts DC -
Rural homes with power charged there house batterys all day once a week on friday - they had an agreement to just charge on friday to limit generator noise -
During summer they might charge on Monday a half day because fans burned extra power in summer -
Most in rural america were off grid till the 1950s or so -
Every huricane, tropical storm and ice storm has knocked my power out for lengths of time -
I have hunter cieling fans in my place - when the grids down i just use them and a window fan - i grew up with out air-condition -
If you have a good ceiling fan its easy to sleep even when its 105°F during the day with out AC - you need a window fan also to move air through a house -
I generaly just charge some deep cycle batterys and use an inverter to run my place through the day - ill charge up my battery a few hours a day -
That way i only use one or 2 gallons of propane a day - i have a dual fuel 2 kw sportsman -
Its hard to get fuel after storms so i just have a 500 gallon bulk propane tank i use to run the generator and a gas stove while the power is out -
I just use a 1/2 hp water pump on a inverter by its self that runs the water pump -
If you get the 5 star energy fans that blow a lot of air on high when its real hot - with a cieling fan blowing on you when the grid is down you can sleep quite comfortable -
As for fans for use on sign wave inverters only buy fans that are 5 star energy fans - they burn a lot less power they use poly phase motors instead of shaded pole motors -
Poly phase motors are very efficient -
Hey Able
Wow, thanks for the information. I like and use Hunter fans although I have to say, not because of they have a polyphase motor design. For me they are simply reliable fans 😁.
In emergency situations, no utility power, my wife and I are quite comfortable with a fan blowing, the RV is a treat.
This is the first time I hear about a "Polyphase motor" so you have me interested in how they work, thanks for that.😀
Thanks the information and thanks for watching our video Able!!
Mike and Angel
I'll send you more info on all this a little latter on - I was a senior SCR electrician and systems tech in the offshore oil & gas industry for yrs - so I know about power generation and consumption - also my grand father was an early 1900s electrician and many of my uncle's were early electricians and radio tech's - so I have a few generations of electrical knowledge -
Because of the weather I'll have to send short text I'll live in a rural area - so at times the phone will not send longer text during bad weather
Were I'm at power was still very expensive in the 1980s - in city's they might have been paying 3 or 4 cents per kilowatt -
Were I live at we were paying 12 to 15 cents a kilowatt in the 1980s - back then few out here in the woods used air conditioning - most bought ceiling and window fans with shaded pole motors - also they had frost free refrigerators - -
- those on social security only received $275 a month & many only made $100 a week -
Just using a frost free fridges and fans they often had $150 electric bills each month during the summer -
In my case I used an old fridge made in 1939 with a polyphase compressor - my water pump had a polyphase motor driving an older piston pump - all my fans had polyphase motors -
So I was using the same amount of power as a house in the country used in the 1930s I guess -
My electric bill was never over $30 a month during summer - the difference was using polyphase motors for my fans and a older fridge - the old fridges and freezers were built for ambient temperatures of 125° and a run time of 30% at higher out side temperatures -
Also every yr my neighbors had to replace some of there fans - in 42 yrs I've had one table top fan motor rewound at a motor rewind shop -
This is working my brain lol -
With the inverter generators 50% load is 50% of there rated load - so if the full load is 3600 watts 50% load is 1800 watts - from what I've seen most deliver from 6 to 7000 watts per gallon of gasoline burned at 50% load - that would be 6:1 efficency on gasoline -
Inverter generators run at around 2700 RPMs so there is more time to completely burn the fuel per stroke -
There is a down side with inverter generators - if your running above 70% there rated full rated load there less efficient than the standard 3600 RPM generator - at 70% they might run at 4000 RPMs but after that point they can run at 5000 RPMs and up -
There efficiency will drop to as low as 1.5:1 that means. There generating 1500 watts to 1 gallon of gasoline burned - in that case ether add a second Honda and phase them together - or just use the champion during heavy electrical loads -
Every thing I shared is with a single cylinder air cooled engine -
In the oilfields some generators have 20 cylinder engines - the more the cylinders the cleaner the power is but they burn a lot more fuel because of all the friction from all the cylinders -
You would be even quiter if 1 you had 2 2000i in paralell 4000 watts or paralell your 2000 with the 3000 for 5000 watts even less rpm.
Hey Peter,
I really need to look into the options I have with those two. It wasn't until after we purchased the 3000 did I learn the Hondas can be paralleled. "Lesson learned" lol.
Thanks for the comment, Peter and thanks for watching out video.
Mike and Angel
The EU2200 and Eu3000is will parallel. "Johnny's Weekends" covered it. I parallel with two EU2200's and a EU3000is for my home.
Well that's awesome news!! I wondered if I could run them in parallel but once our power came back on at home I forgot all about it.🙄
I'll watch Johnny's Weekend, it'll be good information next time a storm knocks our power out.
Thanks MJF40 for the feedback, and thanks for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
Not really fair to compare an inverter generator with a regular one. We own a Champion inverter and it is very quiet and reliable. It has given us great service at a third of the price.
Hey theguy.
Maybe not, but we had all three and thought...not everyone has three different generators, so why not compare them. Using dBs numbers is fine but actually hearing the difference was our goal.
Thanks for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
Let him talk, you interrupted him and he lost track of what he was saying about powering the TV with the champion. Did it run the tv good?
lol😁, she knows, Its an inside joke between us.
Yes, we ran the TV without any issues using the Champion but I don't really trust the champion with any major electronics since it doesn't have an inverter. The Champion will handle the camper but IMO, I would feel a lot more comfortable using a generator with an inverter.
Thanks for asking about the TV, Patrick.
Mike and Angel.
Don't leave your fuel in the tank too long. I forgot I left some in and it destroyed my $4K Honda 7000!
Hey Chat, I almost did. I thought I ran both Hondas a few months ago but I must have forgot to run the 3000. I could smell the fuel (bad) so I had to drain it out. It seems to run *ok* but I'll probably have the carb rebuilt (lesson learned).
My 2200 runs fine.
Thanks for mentioning the fuel tip, thats a great idea to either empty it our of run it regularly.
Thanks for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon I recently learned from a repair video (Taryl Dactyl) that since the rope (manual) start is so difficult to pull, it is a faulty inverter, an $800 part! The faulty inverter puts a load on the starter and that's how you can tell. I only used that generator for a couple hours so very dissappointed in Honda.
@@ChatGPT1111 Wow!!
@@RetroRVRecon One of the gen channels revealed that it is probably the inverter! That will cause a hard pull on a manual start. They are $1000 just for the part.
for camper , you need to get solars and battery instead of sleeping in noice...
Hey Tom
Solar is an awesome option. However, for this video we were in the aftermath of a hurricane. Solar would have been great but the generator was the most convenient solution at the time. In the future as we travel further from home the solar will absolutely be a plus for us.
Thanks Tom for the excellent advice and for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
Comparing apples and oranges. Enclosed vs framed. 1 has 50% more power
Hey Bob
Well, I guess so (apples/oranges) but unless you have an apple and an orange you may not know one is louder than the other.
Thanks for watching our video, Bob.
Happy Trails & Happy Camping!
Mike and Angel.
In National parks Camp grounds that allow generators you can’t use an open frame generator. I’ve see people do it. But, if someone complains Park Rangers will make you turn it off.
A true 30a would be 3600w and you would want some headroom
Hey Feweroptions.
Thanks for the information and for watching our video.🙂
Mike and Angel
The nice lady does not hesitate to blurt out her questions right in the middle of the gentleman speaking. They seem to be OK with that, but it would be very hard on me.
Hey Peter.
My wife and I do that to each other and we're both ok with it. I hope you were able to get some generator information too. 😁
Mike and Angel
@kris
Hell nah, propane dual fuel is the way… but if you need anything that Honda is good😂
Hey zodaguado.
My next buy will be a dual fuel. By the way these Honda's run, it might be a while. 😄
Thanks for watching our video!!
Mike and Angel
that Champion Generator is Not a Inverter Generator so be careful using it to power sensitive Electronics , For the Money the WEN GN400i 4000W/3500W Inverter Generator is the BEST Bargain @ only $382.99
For sure, we bought it a while back then bought the Inverter Honda. The Champion is a good generator.
Thanks for the information on the WEN GN400i. That's an excellent price and review rating (4.5 stars) for an inverter generator.
Thanks for watching our video and for the awesome information Dan.
Happy Trails & Happy Camping!
When the powers out at a campground NOBODY cares how loud generators are cause they all drown each other out
Hey allmopars
Thanks for watching our video and for the comment.
I'm pretty sure nobody cared how loud any of our generators were in our driveway either. 😁
Mike and Angel
So spend the most money and you will be happy along with your neighbors. This could have been a 3 minute video.
Hey h2o100c
Yup, happy neighbors. You know what they say...Good fences make good neighbors and quiet genorators make quiet neighbors. Well. that second part was made up.
Thanks for spending the time to watch our 23+3 minute video. 😃
Mike and Angel
Hondas are nice but overpriced.
Hey Scotty.
I think there are a few good options at a much lower price. It seems like the Inverter generators are getting more popular, more stores are starting to carrying them.
Thanks Scotty for watching our video.
Mike and Angel
This is a rather naive narrative that highlights DB's and little else. Comes across as a shill for overpriced Honda generators. Sorry, I went through Ida too; you're fortunate to have an RV. When I couldn't get gas to power my generator after Ida, I bought a trifuel Champion generator and had an electrician install a transfer switch. Now I have three fuel choices. Sure, it's noisy because it's not an invertor generator, but most invertor generators lack the power to run 4 ton A/C units with a soft start unit installed.
Hi Tom
Thanks for watching our video we really appreciate the support. And, thanks for mentioning the tri-fuel generator. Not everyone knows you can power a tri-fuel generator with gasoline, propane or natural gas. In the aftermath of a hurricane when power is out for miles and gasoline lines are hundreds of feet long it’s a good piece of advice to go ahead and purchase one before you need it.
However, for the sake of this video a portable tri-fuel generator will more than likely still produce high dBs (like the one in our video) and not be a welcome piece of machinery while camping. The Champion 8000-Watt portable tri-fuel will produce 74dB whereas the Honda EU3000iS will produce only 57dB. The tri-fuel doesn’t have an inverter so it could also cause damage to sensitive RV related electronics. I will say that the Tri-fuel is the better choice at home for emergencies if you need more watts but, when out dry docking in a national forest hoping to enjoy the peace and quiet of nature, a loud and noisy generator will certainly ruin the experience for others.
Also, as an update…
I recently ran all three generators from the video. All three still start relatively quickly (Of course the EU3000 is a key start) and still produce the expected output.
Honda EU3000 = approx.. $2500.00 (54dB)
Tri-Fuel Champion = approx. $1300.00 (74dB)
Honda 2200 = approx.$1200.00 (50dB)
Champion 4500 = approx. $420.00 (70dB)
Thanks again Tom for your support and your contribution to this video, we are a community of campers.😀
Happy Trails & Happy Camping
Mike and Angel
@@RetroRVRecon suffering fool's I see Mike, thanks for the video.
@@antpart7998 😁
Today I learned that a fuel valve switch is called a "power supply" among other gems. 🤦♂
Awesome "pseudo"!
We really appreciate the time you took to watch then comment on our video. I'm glad you found "other gems" too. 😃
Happy Trails & Happy Camping!!
Nothing like comparing two Honda Inverter Generators to a Champion Open Frame contractor's generator. Same as comparing an old VW Bug to new Mercedes.
Rather biased review.
Hey Jim, you're absolutely right!
Fortunately for us we were able to upgrade to the Honda inverter generator (3000) just a day or so after hurricane Ida. Knowing the power would be out for several weeks the thought of sleeping in a small camper with a roaring contractor grade generator would have added more stress to what was already a stressful situation.
Had I known months before how quiet the Hondas are compared to the contractor grade Champion I would have purchased only one generator.
Not everyone can afford a Mercedes, so its nice to know a VW will do the job.
Thank Jim for watching our video!
Mike and Angel
this video would have been much better if the woman didn't talk - she didn't have anything useful to add and she kept interrupting the guy right when he was about to say something important
Hey akyak333
Thank you so much for watching our video!🙂
Happy Trails & Happy Camping!
Mike and Angel
Since you sayz the word Cajun, here beez a JW Joke. == Boudreaux woke one morning and his wife Bernease was missing.
He called Thibodeaux to help seach for her,
they drove all around all day searching, then Boudreaux gets a call from Thibodeaux.
Boudreaux says "OHHHHHH thank THe Lord you find her Thib.
Thibodeaux explained she was way out in the water face down in da Bayou . Boudreaux says well get her out i'm on my way der.
Thibodeaux says Ohhh Nooooo Boudreaux, i picked two dozen Big Blue Crabs off her, I'm gonna come back in the morning and check her Again.
Lol, I was just telling Angel a good cajun joke this weekend.
Thanks again for watching K.K. Chedville. :)
She needs to stop interrupting the guy. I’m out.
Hey Jerry.
Well, she (my wife) and I have a lot of fun making these videos.
Thanks for watching our video, Jerry Houghton.
Mike and Angel
The Honda is quiet but not that much quieter for the money
Honda is the very best, especially if you want to run your generator 24/7.
Hey Ghengis, yes they are. We can vouch for that, we ran ours for a few weeks.
Thanks for watching our video Ghengis!
Mike and Angel