🚨 Our RV generator overloaded during this test... way to go Hanks 😄Do you feel like we hurt our baby generator at all? We wanna keep the little guy going for a long time! Thank you all for your amazing support. We are EXCITED to kick off this series with you!!
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I haven’t finished watching the video yet, but I think the workaround is having your neutral and your grounds tied together you can do that with a wire and a male plug. You can make one.😊
I haven’t finished watching the video yet, but I think the workaround is having your neutral and your grounds tied together you can do that with a wire and a male plug. You can make one.😊
Former electrician, generator tech, and switchgear tech here. You didn't overload your generator, you experience a motor- starting surge, which is 7-11 times steady-state running power. No worries. Overloading the generator alone will not typically hurt the generator, and at most it will trip the breaker on the generator. Yes, soft start is a fabulous idea, and has no real downside. (Not expensive, easy to install, and fairly idiot-proof - I don't know why these are standard equipment now, I really don't.) With soft-start installed on both A/C units, you might be able to run both, but not to start both, at the same time! The yellow adapter is a bonding adapter which connects your ground connection with your neutral (white wire). Here are things that can and will hurt your generator: connecting your generator to the grid (lets all the magic smoke out of the generator, and it won't make electricity), flooding (like water, not fuel, so keep it on a set of your levelling blocks, just in case), lack of lubrication, not maintaining the filters, and not running the generator at least once a month - under considerable load (A/C works well) for a half hour or so. It's also a good idea to start up the generator for about five minutes before loading it, and unloading it about five minutes before shutting the generator down. With summer temperatures soaring, the grid will not be able to reliably cool people, and certainly not at RV parks. Keeping an inverter generator is a matter of life and death. This week, London is reporting 107F temperatures and much of Texas is getting 120F, which is in fact going to kill a lot of people. I have a built-in Onan generator in our motorhome, and I'm putting one of these in the pickup truck we intend to buy this winter. - just in case. We will install a dual fuel system so that we can run it on gasoline or on propane. Homework assignment: buy a Kill-O-Watt meter, and build a list of the load of all your appliances. It's a great resource!
@@jeremypiazza3093 not all generators have a 30A RV plug on the front. The bonding adapter "adapts" the 30A socket on the generator to a standard RV 30A plug
@@jeremypiazza3093 Not using a bonding adapter will not mess anything up, it mostly just reduces frustration, and I don't know about you, but I don't go camping for added frustration! I'm going to answer this with a useful analogy so that I don't have to introduce you to James Clerk Maxwell and quantum mechanics. This is not accurate, but simpler, and it's harmless. Plenty of electricians use this analogy all their career. The neutral lead serves to combine waves of AC to create a mathematical "zero" voltage. A ground actually IS "zero" volts. The very small resistance in the white wire of a very long conductor (like your shore power cable) creates a small voltage difference between neutral and ground, which can trip a GCFI breaker or outlet - over and over, and over. The power panel in a sticks and bricks power panel bonds the two at the panel - so you know that this practice (bonding the neutral to ground) is harmless. Hope this helps.
You can not go wrong by adding a AC soft start. It is much easier on the AC starting up. Generator, 30a, 50a, it will be easier on the AC. Many UA-cam videos on the subject. Take care.
Plus 1 on the soft start. but get a good one. There are several methods to design a "softstart" , I am not going to recommend one over others but basically you want a NON relay type...one that uses solid-state throughout. Just go, use it . and see what you can do. then modify as you learn.
Don't worry about it. I've been running a EU3000 Honda for 10 years. The Inverters knows how to say no. It has a breaker to protect it. The bigger issue is can your appliances take a surge. The inverter is bulletproof for sure. Mine has 1000s of hours. Keep it maintained and your Honda Inverter will not let you down. Yes I have thrown my breaker often. AC, microwave, coffee maker. Oops. There is a limit and the inverter will let you know. Happy Travels
@user-cw9yk4jq9i I always wondered why the EU3000is's operating wattage is 2800 watts and the EU3200 is 2600. The Eu3000is has a large engine and maybe that is why.
You need a bonding plug for the generator to get it to work with your surge protector. The tire wear is not caused by rubbing. You changed the tire with and offset from stock. This changed the scrub radius among other things. You need to have an alignment shop add some negative camber to get more weight on the inside of the tires. Also looks like the pressure is too low.😮
Agree with others about the soft start for the AC. And if you want to avoid having to bypass your surge protector, look into buying a neutral-ground bonding plug.
Your generator has a floating neutral. To make your EMS work with generator you need a bonding plug. I have made bonding plugs before just using a male plug and an insulated wire. To make: Buy a replacement male plug from hardware store. Like one used to repair an extension cord (120volt). Then connect the neutral prong to the grounding prong with an insulated jumper wire. You have made a bonding plug. Then plug bonding plug in one of your spare 120volt outlets on generator like you are plugging in an appliance cord. Congratulations you’re done!
@@HappilyEverHanks I have a Honda 2200 generator and never have any problem running my 13.5k A/C with it (or running it off a 15 amp household connection at home) with the soft start. Just don't try to run the microwave at the same time. You shouldn't have to worry about hurting the generator, regardless. Those Hondas are designed to shut off if there's a problem.
Yeah, not so much. If those are 15k units, a 2200 will NOT work even with a Softstart. I have one installed still won't run a 15k unit. Sold my Honda. I bought a Gernac 3500 with duel fuel and this works great. Also has remote start and shutoff. SoftStart is good even if you don't run a generator.
A neutral-ground bonding plug will solve your EMS bypass issue. Also, Jenny has a breaker, so don’t worry about overloading her. If you can start the AC without tripping the breaker, you can probably run it on high.
What John & Mary said. Honda 2200W inverter generator works fine to power ONE major appliance at a time. Air conditioner (with soft start) OR microwave OR toaster oven. My refrigerator draws about 350 watts on electric. It can be temporarily switched to propane if the total current draw gets too close to the rated continuous load (1800W) from the generator. I had been using a Honda 3000W gen, but it weighs too much to load/unload by myself from the truck. (My wife isn't a camper.) Had to just roll it onto the tailgate. The new 2200W gen also takes a lot less space in the truck bed.
As an RV Tech, you will need two things to run one A/C on a generator. You need an Easy Start or Soft Start. Both will do the same thing. They gradually apply current to the compressor so that you do not get the high in-rush of current that you saw during your test. The second thing is a plug that creates a ground to neutral bond so that your surge protector will continue to protect your RV and you won't need to put the surge protector into bypass.
I installed a Micro Air soft start on the AC in our travel trailer. My EU2200i starts and runs it just fine. And don’t worry if you damaged your generator. You didn’t. These modern generators are very good at protecting themselves.
I love that you say voltage or amperage while looking at the watts. (volts x amps = watts) Yes soft start will help with that surge when the AC kicks on. You can probably charge the battery and run the AC at the same time. Your generator seems pretty smart and has built in protection/sensors so I wouldn't be too shy about seeing what she can do.
I have never seen so much talking and game planning for something like this lol. Usually we just do stuff and then when it goes wrong then the talking begins. This is awesome to watch.
We learned that leaving our generators in ecomode caused the starlink to reboot each time we used the coffee pot or the microwave. Forget ecomode, let 'er rip so that the Starlink router does not get damaged. Love you guys, keep the videos coming!
The AC turns on in two phases. 1- the fans turn on. 2- the compressor turns on. This is the large draw which caused you alert. A softstart will reduce this instantaeous current draw.
So what we initially saw was the fans turning on regarding the generator numbers on the phone? That's really good to know. We will look into the soft starts for sure! Thank you!
exactly this, it’s the compressor kick up that causes the surge. soft start will help. also make sure you run the generator a little while to charge the batteries before firing up the ac and lastly consider using the dry mode
@@HappilyEverHanks No Offense here but with a 3200 Gen. you are pretty close to what would be a safe with 1400+ KW you only have 1160 KW left before any issues could come about
@@its-andrew-yI agree - if the batts are low on charge the converter can really draw current. If the batts are charged full, they draw very little. Best to charge the batts in the morning, turn the converter off, then run the AC.
This is good information about the new 3200 Honda. We love our EU3000is Honda - it has been perfect for powering our 5th wheel for almost 20 years now. About 95% of our camping is dry camping, usually lakefront sites without power. Our Honda EU300is will power the air conditioner in our camper, as long as we've already had the generator connected and running for a few minutes before turning on the A/C. That way the refrigerator compressor and air conditioning aren't drawing high power all at the same instance. On a side note - I doubt that outside tire wear is from rubbing. It looks more like typical all-terrain tire wear from either mis-alignment or just lots of highway miles. They do look cool - but I'd recommend that you consider tire that wears well for towing/highway use as much as you do.
Don't use Eco mode when the AC can start. You don't have to worry about unplugging anything before connecting generator. Just make sure AC is off. Let generator run a few minutes before connecting and let it run a minute after before starting AC. After AC is running, you can put it in Eco mode as long as you know the AC won't shut off and start again in that time...but it's much less stress to just not worry about eco mode. Also make sure to turn off AC and disconnect load from generator before turning generator off (letting it run a minute with no load before turning off as well). Also, you should probably install soft starts for both your AC and generator's sake. We killed our first AC, probably from running off a normal 15A outlet occasionally? I don't think the generator really cares but you do have a more fancy generator. The soft start or easy start are magical devices though.
This is really great information, Patrick! Thank you for sharing with us 😀 The Eco mode is such a great feature. I love how quiet it is. Do you have a Honda generator as well?
I would suggest shutting off the main breaker in the rv before connecting to a running generator. Just like you plug your trailer into shore power and have the breaker off when connecting to shore power
I would put soft starts on both of you ac units. The start ups are much quieter and easier to sleep through when running at night. You won’t have any issues with your generator with soft starts installed.
First time posting, been watching your videos for a couple years. Yes, soft start, add a grounding plug to your generator and you wont have to bypass the surge protector, check out the national and state forest campgrounds, they are way cheaper. And look into getting a berkey water purifier. You will never have to buy water bottles again. Great videos! We love maine! Planning on retiring there! Have a blast.
We have a EU3000 Honda thats 17 years old that runs our AC on high just fine. Ours of course didn’t include a phone app. You are not hurting the generator. We talk about a soft start but haven’t bought one. Love your videos!
If you guys decide to come over to NH we have a Boondockers Welcome site with electric and water on our farmstead. We would love to have you over sometime!
I recently started full time living in a RV and stumbled across your channel. Thank you so much for all of the invaluable information! You've helped me be a lot more confident in my decision and avoid some pitfalls. Thanks!
Not to sound too negative about your tire / wheel situation, but the problem you are having is exactly why I don't like lifting the suspension and going with oversized tires any more, especially when it's a tow rig.
No worries about sounding negative, we totally get it! Having a lifted truck is a fun toy, but isn't always practical like you said. Definitely some cons to consider when having a lifted truck 🙂 We appreciate your support in watching!
Agree with this post. These trucks are designed and engineered for towing and payload. When you lift it and add aftermarket wheels you’re asking for all sorts of problems. It can also throw off the suspension geometry changing angles and placing loads in positions the truck was designed to handle.
@@occasionalrv Yes, wheels with an offset other than the factory offset will throw off the steering geometry. Look up the Ackerman Principle for more information. Those front tires are scrubbing because those wheels have too much positive offset compared to the factory wheels. They are also placing additional load on the wheel bearings and other suspension components. Also, steering axis inclination comes into play., since the load is intended to be through the ball joints, centered on the centerline of the tire. Put aftermarket offset wheels on and all of the engineering goes out the window.
I had the sides of my tires. Hitting the control arm. I was told the offset was good. When I bought the wheels. This started to wear the side wall. I added high quality spacers. Problem solved. As an added bonus. My truck rode much nicer with the larger offset.
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I tested generators for 35 years, believe me you are the first people to overload one!!! Is it a GOOD idea, probably not did it hurt it more than likely not! A soft start is a great idea! Happy Trails! ❤❤
LOL. You guys overthought this one. I do recommend the Micro-Air SoftStart. I run my AC easily on a 2400-watt generator with a SoftStart. It was fun watching you guys work through this one, but a huge bummer about the tires and rims. Thanks for sharing. You never know who, or how many people might benefit from things we share.
That offset is not causing the tire wear issue. You have an alignment issue. You need a front end alignment. The tread pattern on those tires don’t help with tire wear either. Those tires are “scalloping”. A more aggressive tire pattern will have a tendency to do that more than a less aggressive highway tire would. I don’t see you traveling in snow and ice, I would think you would be much better off with more of a highway tire. Better longevity, and less likely to wear bad or unevenly. Just my 2C. Love the channel. PS: The offset may cause some contact, but it isn’t causing the wear. If they did an alignment on the truck when you bought the tires, they didn’t do a very good job.
Scalloping isn’t caused by alignment. Scalloping is caused by running the wrong tire pressure. There is no scalloping of that tire. The inside blocks are still intact. Seeing the wear pattern being only on the outside of the tire, and with out seeing the other side, it COULD be a camber issue. But with oversize tires and such a deep backspace, the likely answer is clearance over camber. I’d have to see the other tire and the positions at full lock.
As an addendum to this information, which is correct, you may also be having a strut issue with the truck. I don't know when you last replaced them, but if the strut is worn out, it will allow the tire to "bounce" and not keep constant contact with tread, thus causing scalloping of the All Terrain tire
@@Skwatt7171 . They would have a shock. But really bad shock could add to the problem, but I bet they would know if they had a bad shock. Just because of all the traveling they do. I hate to say it, but a lot of these discount tire places don’t have experienced alignment techs. And a lot of the time, that is the problem, unfortunately. Go to a reputable “alignment “ shop and have them look at it. The problem is, if they have started scalloping, I doubt a good alignment shop will align it without tire replacement because once they start that scalloping tire wear, even with an alignment it will continue to wear that same way because it has started doing it. I own a collision repair shop, and I own trucks, and I’ve seen this many times with friends that go to the bargain basement alignment shop being done by the tech that has been there for three month. Sorry, hopefully I haven’t offended anyone.
@@cwhite0708 . A truck with its toe adjustment set in to much will cause the outside of a tire this aggressive to cup or scallop. Ask an alignment tech or shop. That is my experience and what I’m told by the guy that does all my shop alignments. Just what I have experienced and been told by a guy that’s done alignments for fifty years. 🤷♂️
@@garyjones5093 his tire is not scalloped though…. Scalloping is caused by suspension components being worn or failing, not alignment. A toe in wear pattern would be across the whole tire, not limited to the outside blocks. A camber issue would cause the outer tire wear though. And I know what shop guys and techs tell people, it’s always the same story no matter where you go or how long they’ve doing it… I do my own alignment after every lift I put on or have helped put on by hand with no computer. That’s not a toe in wear pattern
Great demonstration on the genny. Looking forward to the Maine trip. We have a Honda EU2200i Companion and a 13.5 BTU air conditioner in our small 16 foot toy hauler. I have a neutral ground bonding plug I use with our surge protector because it doesn't like the lack of a grounding cable on the genny. I am considering a soft start but the highest draw from the AC is right around 1100 watts. Whenever I turn off the AC, I try to turn it to fan low so when I start it back up, it's not automatically going to the AC. Here is the process I use to start the AC: 1. Shut everything off in the breaker panel, including the main breaker. 2. Connect the generator with the 30 amp cord. 3. Start the genny and the app. 4. Turn on the main breaker. 5. Turn on the breaker to the AC. 6. Start the AC and check the draw on the app. 7. Turn the AC to cool and check the draw on the app. 8. Cool down.
Even though the refrigerator is switched to gas, it will still require 12 volts to run the electrical circuitry in the refrigerator. Get a soft start. Love the videos, keep em coming!!
It will not hurt your gen. It has 2 rates on it. One is the startup rate, and the other is rsm (running) rate. The generator will shut down if it exceeds the startup rate. The warning message is for if you are using a continuous higher current than the rsm load. Generally it is to let you know you cant run the toaster and the microwave at the same time I.E. I would not worry about damaging your gen if your only using a.c. having your a.c.om high dose not draw much more current the compresser works the same it just changes the fan speed 👍
For me, I dont want to carry gasoline if I dont have to. With mine, I can run mine forever on propane because I use the coaches propane system. Never need to refuel a hot generator. Just fill 30lb bottles when needed.
Definitely need a soft start for a generator that small. We all love Honda generators. So many other options for more powerful generators. Thank you for all your tips and information and fun positive energy. Safe travels 🙏🏼❤️
My Honda 2200i will start my 13.5 A/c even without the soft start, but I did put one in anyway. Great service network, known and available parts, and easy to maintain. Love the Honda's!
Just installed two stiff starts on our A/C units. Can’t wait to see the difference. We need to test on generator like your doing. Thanks for the video. Awesome as always!!
I installed soft starts on both my air conditioners. Definitely makes a big difference. We plan on going to Maine next summer so I’m looking forward to your trip. Love the videos one of the best channels.
By all means install a soft start…I also have the same energy management system and a $5.00 cord cap with a copper ridge between the ground and the natural leg plugged into the generator will allow the power to flow through the EMS to your power center. We have a 3500 max generator and run the 15.5K A/C unit and most everything else, being careful to turn off the a/c when using other high wattage appliances. Now with a solar array and 3K inverter, we can run the a/c on the generator and use every thing else as well combining the two systems…really good boondocking experience. Love your approach to all of your experiments and the resolve to press on through circumstances you don’t have much knowledge of. Keep it up you guys, love the adventure!
Look into Micro Air Easy Start. Much better than just a Soft Start capacitor. I have one on my camper a/c and my house a/c as well. Both units start and run much easier and quieter than without. There is also blue tooth to a phone app to see what it's drawing at startup and running.
For your tire issue, they make wheel spacers that bolt on behind the wheel. This will make your overall foot print a little wider but it should help with the rub issue
@@fritzramsey9440 they do make those… but for the love of god do NOT get spacers. Even the best spacers add yet another fail point in the drive train, not to mention adding in-needed wear on the axle shafts. Even on vehicles that aren’t constantly towing, I would never suggest spacers for anyone unless there is absolutely no other option.
Happy with my soft start, and believe it is a necessity when using generator service, I don't get the surge alert, Im running the 2200i and it works fine with 30 AMP service on single Coleman Mach AC. I was a DIY install.
That's so great to hear! Love that you are able to run off the 2200i. The soft starts sound like an incredible way to go to help alleviate that initial start up of the AC
Soft start on the AC is a must. I use a 3000 w generator and it runs my AC without issue. I also have a 3600 /4200 surge W generator and I run two AC of it just fine. Fridge is on Propane. Water heater on Propane. Converter runs continuously without issue.
We did Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire last September with no plans and it worked out great. Harvest Host was also great. We camped at brewerys and maple syrup businesses. 😋 they were our last 3 states to hit all 50 states. We had no plans at all and it worked out. We were there just before the leaves changing so missed that but also missed the massive crowds.
Another advantage of MicroAir EasyStarts, same come as your remote thermostats, is you can also run both AC units in a 30amp old school campsite. We use to run into them in old TT and other older campgrounds and gives you more flexibility. I can run either AC on our 2930RL using a 2600W Ryobi generator which is 10 lbs lighter and has similar Bluetooth features. I have the Hughes Power Watchdog which shows me the amperage being pulled while in a 30amp campsite so I can manage my connection, like turn the AC to fan only while I run the microwave, etc. We are not full timers, but hit the road once or twice a year for 6-8 weeks at a time and have crossed this great country several times from northern NV several times. We try not to travel in extreme heat so I have started to travel only with a twist to 30amp cable which is much lighter and easier to coil up on travel days than that heavy 50amp cord from GD.
I have this generator. Runs my rv ac, microwave, fridge, and plugs at the same time. Can’t run the air fryer or dryer but not a problem. Use my jackery solar generator for those items.
Active controls has a good soft start that works with generators and you can monitor it through your phone too! I have one and I love it. I have the 50amp one and I can use it at sites with only 30amp service and still get to use both A/C's.
Had the same issue with my tires. I put a 2.5” leveling kit on my truck, and it fixed the issue. Just know if you go with the 2.5” leveling kit, you will most likely need to change the front shocks as well. Hope that helps🤘
We have that same generator. And use a soft start on our ac. It runs juat fine full blaat. Can even run the microwave and coffee pot. Got our honda 3200 when it first came out and have had zero issues. Have ran it for 6 hours one day. No issues.
Thank you SO much for this video! You explained perfectly regarding the too large of a tire rubbing inside of the wheel well. That's something we will FOR SURE keep in mind when changing the tires for our RV toad. Thank you for that!👍🏽😁
Absolutely! We are glad it can be of some help 😃 I have been reading through the comments and others mentioned that the truck could also be out of alignment and causing this....so I am gonna go down that rabbit hole today and do some more research. Thank you for watching!
The soft start for you AC will reduce the initial draw from the generator. Definitely worth adding to your ac units Also, leave generator on eco. It will only kick on when needed. Ie…each time the compressor turns on We have two Honda generators and have never had an issue running both ac’s. Our rig is a Keystone Montana
AC units normally run the fans immediately but, wait to start the compressor to allow time for the coolant to run down to the low spot. Compressors need to work on the gas form of the coolant. If the liquid form gets in the compressor it will damage it.
Thanks for the tip! It's great to know that waiting for the coolant to settle before the compressor starts can prevent damage. Definitely something we’ll keep in mind!
I’m no expert, but low, medium, high… the compressor is the energy hog, fan speed should be an inconsequential thing. The load is going to be determined by compressor use, so temperature setting would have much more effect.
I just got our Airstream out of storage. I have 2 AC’s 13500, and 15000 with MicroAir soft starts. I just ran BOTH AC’s on the Honda EU3200i! Handled the load just fine. The key is the Soft starts and get the larger one going first.
The soft start is my recommendation, it really works great. We can even run our AC with our Honda 2200i. The Honda has an overload protection that not allow an overload to harm the generator. It simply cause the overload light to come on the front panel of the generator and you reset it.
Awesome! I think you both are right a soft start will help the situation that you are trying. With that said Thanks for the information learned a lot. Thanks for sharing!
Install soft start on both A/C units. Yiu can only run one at a time but that allows living area colling durring the day and bedroom/bathroom at night.
The tire wearing on the outside is more likely an alignment or suspension issue and not from the rubbing in the wheel well. I have a leveled Ram 2500 and have oversized tires and wheels for the last 10 years. Pretty much always had rubbing issues but never uneven wear. When you replace our tires soon, get 8t aligned afterwards and i would bet you won't have aymowear issues for a while. Just a thought.
RVSoftStart on both our AC’s is what we needed. You fid Not hurt your generator. The generator will disconnect if more power is demanded than it can supply. No problem, no harm. The High & Low you mention is only for your fan speeds. The compressor kicking on is what pulls the mist current. The High fan pulls a little more than low but not that much. If low fan and compressor puts you close to gen max wattage, going to high fan could cause the generator to disconnect on overload.
I have an off grid home and a back up Honda EU3000 generator when I have issues with my solar. I always run mine on the full speed ahead mode and when I turn on the washing machine it bogs down for a few seconds and then handles the load. I run my AC micro wave just everything in my house when using the generator and as long as I stay under the 3000 watt load it handles it fine. I only had one problem with it as I was down at my house in AZ during summer and we hit 127 degrees and I had to use the Honda to run the AC for a week and it would over heat. I bought one of those water misting things and had it mist water on the generator for that week and it keep it cool and ran 10 days straight with out issues. I run mine off of propane and have it hooked to a 100 gal tank so once I start it, it will run non stop for a month if I so wanted. Don't worry about the readings if the Honda over loads it will kick out the breaker and save its self. Have over loaded it and abused it for four years and it never has failed to start and run.
EvaPOration cools the air by 20 degrees, I read. Im a huge fan of misters also. Just found an evaporating fan on amazing. Hicozy. I now have 3. Totally helps the ac in our Central Valley heat
Your front tires are wearing like that because your always towing. Those independent front ends wear on the outside like on all of them when towing heavy that .my 2019 gmc 2500hd did the same thing when I towed my fithwheel too.
We have a 5000 Watt predator generator with our 30 amp system. We still use our watchdog surge protector. We also use propane so we can store our generator in the doorway inside our camper during travel days. Hands down best decision ever! We also have a factory 200 watt solar panel on our roof
The Easy Start takes 30-60 minutes to install & makes a huge difference in lowering the amperage required to start the compressor. The difference in the two scenarios is so dramatic. The Easy Start stores most of the surge energy within itself & only sips current from the generator at startup. It was worth every penny. I did not do the East Start install on our Imagine because our Furrion A/C seemed to start okay with our Champion 4200W fuel fuel generator. We only travel Spring & Fall as we spend our summers in CO @ 8,000' on full hookups & our winters in FL on full hookups. We do a lot of Harvest Hosts in between, so mostly in GA or N FL do we need the AC. When it's 85 F & Humid we use it, lol. Keep up the good work! Davey & Sheila
Get or make a ground bonding connector to use your surge suppressor. We had to do the same thing. Also, 8.5 hours of runtime is at 1/4 throttle. It will run 3.5 hours at full rated power. Fun episode though. It’s good to see “experienced” RVers learning new stuff.
Don't worry about it. If it was too much, the engine would just stall, which would mean your demand was higher than it can provide. Definitely get a soft start and you could leave the battery charger going while running the a/c. Happy travels, stay cool 😊
The bypass mode is used for connecting to devices that does not have a ground, like your generator. This is why normal mode works on shore power or will fault if the shore power is not grounded. Now running it in bypassmode for y our generator is the correct way to do this and you will be ok to run it this way. good luck!
I thought y'all had soft starts? Definitely worth it. They will also walk you thru installation on the phone. Also you are not likely to damage Jenny. They will simply shut down before sustaining any damage.
The campground we’re at always has available spots! Not because it’s bad, because it’s really nice! They have one side for seasonal and the other side for shorter stays.
The generator can handle the load. Without a soft start the a/c unit will consume a lot of power at start up as the compressor and fan start at the same time. Soft start will time the startup to limit the draw of power and lessening the power bump. Just installed on my travel trailer. Single 15000btu a/c unit, will run off 15amp household plug. Back to the generator, the Honda 3200 can handle the generator surge in most cases. It should have an overload protection. Generator will go into idle mode if overload and generator will have to be reset/restarted that’s all. You guys are doing the right thing by reducing your other power draw in the trailer if you are running the a/c. Honda is a great product. You guys will be fine. Keep up the great work on the channel.
Unless you are doing circles in the Walmart parking lot at full clock rubbing for hours, rubbing won't cause the wear. You'll see chunks missing before you notice wear. General rule is inner and outer shoulder wear together is caused by low tire pressure. Excess tire pressure will cause center tire wear. 1 shoulder (inner or outer) is caused by camber alignment. Cupping is caused by worn shocks. Places like Discount/ americas tire policy is oem pressure or door decal. The only way to know if you have the correct tire pressure is to monitor your tire wear pattern.
"VA", like what is on the dial on the app, is Volt Amps. It is a combination of Watts "W" and Volt Amp Reactance "VAR". Volts and amps are part of the equation but in the end power usage is measured in either Watts or Volt Amps, typically Watts.
We have a Coleman Mach 8 on our camper with an onan 2500 watt generator. Worked fine for AC. I actually put a soft start in and you can really tell the difference when running the generator or not. There is no big thug ( draw ) at the beginning. Put the soft start in as we are upgrading to lithium batteries and want to run a/c on batteries so think your 3500 watt generator will be fine for your 1 ac! I live in Massachusetts, and your going to LOVE Maine be sure to travel Rt. 1 the shore route, it's got the best sights! Love your channel keep up the good work! LET ER RIP!
I'm running the same generator and EMS unit for 3 years - Install a Neutral Bonding Plug for the generator and a Soft Start A/C in one, or better yet both A/C units and you'll be good to go. No need to run in bypass mode and if you're not using much other power you could possibly run both A/C units. (Not sure about that as we only have one A/C)
I run my A/C off a 2200i, but it only works bc of my soft start. I found an excellent company in SW Utah called Hutch Mountain and they were amazing with support on the install. They also sell propane conversion kits for Honda generators, which was very convenient to carry propane instead of dealing with gas/diesel.
Good test and you already have a lot of comments. You did not hurt the generator, it has more then enough safeties protecting it. You definitely need soft start on the AC units. I did not buy the MicroAir version, for less then the cost of 1 of theirs I bought 2 of another brand.
We live in New Hampshire and Tri-State RV Park is always our 1st stop for a night on any trip south or west and our last stop coming home. It’s just the right distance and easy off/easy on the interstate. Camping in New England is expensive and it gets worse the closer you get to the ocean.
You should probably add a 'soft' or 'easy' start to your air conditioner if you plan on running it often from the generator. They run about $300 and greatly reduce the initial power draw when the compressor starts. We have one on our heat pump, and it's fantastic.
We have a boat with 8KW generator. It uses 1 gallon an hour. We have a 2,500 watt inverted with 10 golf cart batteries to power it. The charger draws 10AMPs so I got a 2000 watt inverter generator that burns 1 gallon every 8 hours to charge the batteries. Some times it trips due to a refigerator going on. After 5 years the generator works fine. I would not worry.
That’s good to know-sounds like your setup works really well! Thanks for sharing your experience and for supporting our channel. We really appreciate it, David!
Gens have a breaker for over current. You'll trip the breaker but will not harm it. You'll harm the ac more byshutting off power without turning it off 1st. Follow the break in procedure, they are usually detuned but running at max rpm technically is higher wear and heat which also should increase oil change intervals
First thing we did was install soft starts on both our AC units the week we bought our RV. We can run one unit off our batteries with a small 2000w inverter and our solar setup on our travel trailer. 🐾🐾
YES! Get a Micro Air Easy Start. They are the original product to solve the problem. I have one on my A/C and it staggers the start up of the cooling fan first and then the compressor, to prevent overloading of the generator.
Definitely get a soft start. The temporary overload will not hurt the generator. If you exceed the maximum amperage draw for longer than the generator allows, it will disconnect the load. The generator has safety features to prevent damage.
🚨 Our RV generator overloaded during this test... way to go Hanks 😄Do you feel like we hurt our baby generator at all? We wanna keep the little guy going for a long time! Thank you all for your amazing support. We are EXCITED to kick off this series with you!!
No it won’t hurt the Gen set. If it gets overloaded the Gen set will pop the breaker on the Gen set and stop producing power.
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You are good. If it overloads, the c/b will pop and keep you from any damage.
I haven’t finished watching the video yet, but I think the workaround is having your neutral and your grounds tied together you can do that with a wire and a male plug. You can make one.😊
I haven’t finished watching the video yet, but I think the workaround is having your neutral and your grounds tied together you can do that with a wire and a male plug. You can make one.😊
Former electrician, generator tech, and switchgear tech here. You didn't overload your generator, you experience a motor- starting surge, which is 7-11 times steady-state running power. No worries.
Overloading the generator alone will not typically hurt the generator, and at most it will trip the breaker on the generator.
Yes, soft start is a fabulous idea, and has no real downside. (Not expensive, easy to install, and fairly idiot-proof - I don't know why these are standard equipment now, I really don't.) With soft-start installed on both A/C units, you might be able to run both, but not to start both, at the same time!
The yellow adapter is a bonding adapter which connects your ground connection with your neutral (white wire).
Here are things that can and will hurt your generator: connecting your generator to the grid (lets all the magic smoke out of the generator, and it won't make electricity), flooding (like water, not fuel, so keep it on a set of your levelling blocks, just in case), lack of lubrication, not maintaining the filters, and not running the generator at least once a month - under considerable load (A/C works well) for a half hour or so. It's also a good idea to start up the generator for about five minutes before loading it, and unloading it about five minutes before shutting the generator down.
With summer temperatures soaring, the grid will not be able to reliably cool people, and certainly not at RV parks. Keeping an inverter generator is a matter of life and death. This week, London is reporting 107F temperatures and much of Texas is getting 120F, which is in fact going to kill a lot of people.
I have a built-in Onan generator in our motorhome, and I'm putting one of these in the pickup truck we intend to buy this winter. - just in case. We will install a dual fuel system so that we can run it on gasoline or on propane.
Homework assignment: buy a Kill-O-Watt meter, and build a list of the load of all your appliances. It's a great resource!
I believe the Furrion units come from the factory with soft starts. So they are beginning to come from the factory with them.
Why do you need the bonding adapter? Ima about to start using a genlrator for my camper so I'd like to know before mess something up
@@jeremypiazza3093 not all generators have a 30A RV plug on the front. The bonding adapter "adapts" the 30A socket on the generator to a standard RV 30A plug
@@thisoldrelic About time.
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Not using a bonding adapter will not mess anything up, it mostly just reduces frustration, and I don't know about you, but I don't go camping for added frustration!
I'm going to answer this with a useful analogy so that I don't have to introduce you to James Clerk Maxwell and quantum mechanics. This is not accurate, but simpler, and it's harmless. Plenty of electricians use this analogy all their career.
The neutral lead serves to combine waves of AC to create a mathematical "zero" voltage. A ground actually IS "zero" volts. The very small resistance in the white wire of a very long conductor (like your shore power cable) creates a small voltage difference between neutral and ground, which can trip a GCFI breaker or outlet - over and over, and over. The power panel in a sticks and bricks power panel bonds the two at the panel - so you know that this practice (bonding the neutral to ground) is harmless.
Hope this helps.
You can not go wrong by adding a AC soft start. It is much easier on the AC starting up. Generator, 30a, 50a, it will be easier on the AC. Many UA-cam videos on the subject. Take care.
Plus 1 on the soft start. but get a good one. There are several methods to design a "softstart" , I am not going to recommend one over others but basically you want a NON relay type...one that uses solid-state throughout.
Just go, use it . and see what you can do. then modify as you learn.
Exactly. I added one to just the bedroom AC and I can run it off my EU2200i. I made sure I bought the soft start designed specifically for my Coleman.
Don't worry about it. I've been running a EU3000 Honda for 10 years. The Inverters knows how to say no. It has a breaker to protect it. The bigger issue is can your appliances take a surge. The inverter is bulletproof for sure. Mine has 1000s of hours. Keep it maintained and your Honda Inverter will not let you down. Yes I have thrown my breaker often. AC, microwave, coffee maker. Oops. There is a limit and the inverter will let you know. Happy Travels
@user-cw9yk4jq9i I always wondered why the EU3000is's operating wattage is 2800 watts and the EU3200 is 2600. The Eu3000is has a large engine and maybe that is why.
You need a bonding plug for the generator to get it to work with your surge protector. The tire wear is not caused by rubbing. You changed the tire with and offset from stock. This changed the scrub radius among other things. You need to have an alignment shop add some negative camber to get more weight on the inside of the tires. Also looks like the pressure is too low.😮
I tend to agree with Gary, I believe it has something to do with a floating neutral on the Honda gen set.
Agree with others about the soft start for the AC. And if you want to avoid having to bypass your surge protector, look into buying a neutral-ground bonding plug.
I have no idea what yr talking about
@@007nadineLUA-cam "rv soft start" or "grounding/neutral bonding plug" depending on which one you don't understand
Your generator has a floating neutral. To make your EMS work with generator you need a bonding plug. I have made bonding plugs before just using a male plug and an insulated wire.
To make:
Buy a replacement male plug from hardware store. Like one used to repair an extension cord (120volt).
Then connect the neutral prong to the grounding prong with an insulated jumper wire. You have made a bonding plug.
Then plug bonding plug in one of your spare 120volt outlets on generator like you are plugging in an appliance cord.
Congratulations you’re done!
Definitely get a soft starter. You can run your A/C with a 2200 watt generator if you have that installed.
One A/C, anyway. I think they have two. But yes, soft start is definitely the way to go
Wow that's incredible! We definitely need to look into the soft starts!
@@HappilyEverHanks I have a 3500 Predator and it doesn’t struggle with my A/C with soft start.
@@HappilyEverHanks I have a Honda 2200 generator and never have any problem running my 13.5k A/C with it (or running it off a 15 amp household connection at home) with the soft start. Just don't try to run the microwave at the same time.
You shouldn't have to worry about hurting the generator, regardless. Those Hondas are designed to shut off if there's a problem.
Yeah, not so much. If those are 15k units, a 2200 will NOT work even with a Softstart. I have one installed still won't run a 15k unit. Sold my Honda. I bought a Gernac 3500 with duel fuel and this works great. Also has remote start and shutoff. SoftStart is good even if you don't run a generator.
A neutral-ground bonding plug will solve your EMS bypass issue. Also, Jenny has a breaker, so don’t worry about overloading her. If you can start the AC without tripping the breaker, you can probably run it on high.
We run a 13.5K BTU on 2200 watt
Inverter generator and installed SoftStart. Works great with a little overhead.
John & Mary
I have the same... Do you ever try to run it on eco mode...? 🤔 I have heard that you can with a 13500 ac... 👀
What John & Mary said. Honda 2200W inverter generator works fine to power ONE major appliance at a time. Air conditioner (with soft start) OR microwave OR toaster oven.
My refrigerator draws about 350 watts on electric. It can be temporarily switched to propane if the total current draw gets too close to the rated continuous load (1800W) from the generator.
I had been using a Honda 3000W gen, but it weighs too much to load/unload by myself from the truck. (My wife isn't a camper.) Had to just roll it onto the tailgate. The new 2200W gen also takes a lot less space in the truck bed.
As an RV Tech, you will need two things to run one A/C on a generator. You need an Easy Start or Soft Start. Both will do the same thing. They gradually apply current to the compressor so that you do not get the high in-rush of current that you saw during your test. The second thing is a plug that creates a ground to neutral bond so that your surge protector will continue to protect your RV and you won't need to put the surge protector into bypass.
RV tech here, bonded ground plug and soft start on the a/c's.
I installed a Micro Air soft start on the AC in our travel trailer. My EU2200i starts and runs it just fine. And don’t worry if you damaged your generator. You didn’t. These modern generators are very good at protecting themselves.
I love that you say voltage or amperage while looking at the watts. (volts x amps = watts) Yes soft start will help with that surge when the AC kicks on. You can probably charge the battery and run the AC at the same time. Your generator seems pretty smart and has built in protection/sensors so I wouldn't be too shy about seeing what she can do.
I have never seen so much talking and game planning for something like this lol. Usually we just do stuff and then when it goes wrong then the talking begins. This is awesome to watch.
We learned that leaving our generators in ecomode caused the starlink to reboot each time we used the coffee pot or the microwave. Forget ecomode, let 'er rip so that the Starlink router does not get damaged. Love you guys, keep the videos coming!
The AC turns on in two phases.
1- the fans turn on.
2- the compressor turns on. This is the large draw which caused you alert. A softstart will reduce this instantaeous current draw.
So what we initially saw was the fans turning on regarding the generator numbers on the phone? That's really good to know. We will look into the soft starts for sure! Thank you!
exactly this, it’s the compressor kick up that causes the surge. soft start will help. also make sure you run the generator a little while to charge the batteries before firing up the ac and lastly consider using the dry mode
@@HappilyEverHanks Also recommend you turn eco throttle off for the initial ac surge.
@@HappilyEverHanks No Offense here but with a 3200 Gen. you are pretty close to what would be a safe with 1400+ KW you only have 1160 KW left before any issues could come about
@@its-andrew-yI agree - if the batts are low on charge the converter can really draw current. If the batts are charged full, they draw very little. Best to charge the batts in the morning, turn the converter off, then run the AC.
This is good information about the new 3200 Honda. We love our EU3000is Honda - it has been perfect for powering our 5th wheel for almost 20 years now. About 95% of our camping is dry camping, usually lakefront sites without power. Our Honda EU300is will power the air conditioner in our camper, as long as we've already had the generator connected and running for a few minutes before turning on the A/C. That way the refrigerator compressor and air conditioning aren't drawing high power all at the same instance.
On a side note - I doubt that outside tire wear is from rubbing. It looks more like typical all-terrain tire wear from either mis-alignment or just lots of highway miles. They do look cool - but I'd recommend that you consider tire that wears well for towing/highway use as much as you do.
Don't use Eco mode when the AC can start. You don't have to worry about unplugging anything before connecting generator. Just make sure AC is off. Let generator run a few minutes before connecting and let it run a minute after before starting AC. After AC is running, you can put it in Eco mode as long as you know the AC won't shut off and start again in that time...but it's much less stress to just not worry about eco mode. Also make sure to turn off AC and disconnect load from generator before turning generator off (letting it run a minute with no load before turning off as well).
Also, you should probably install soft starts for both your AC and generator's sake. We killed our first AC, probably from running off a normal 15A outlet occasionally? I don't think the generator really cares but you do have a more fancy generator. The soft start or easy start are magical devices though.
This is really great information, Patrick! Thank you for sharing with us 😀 The Eco mode is such a great feature. I love how quiet it is. Do you have a Honda generator as well?
@@HappilyEverHanks Firman Dual Fuel Inverter Portable Generator 4000W Electric Start - which was $600 at Costco last I checked.
I would suggest shutting off the main breaker in the rv before connecting to a running generator. Just like you plug your trailer into shore power and have the breaker off when connecting to shore power
I would put soft starts on both of you ac units. The start ups are much quieter and easier to sleep through when running at night. You won’t have any issues with your generator with soft starts installed.
First time posting, been watching your videos for a couple years. Yes, soft start, add a grounding plug to your generator and you wont have to bypass the surge protector, check out the national and state forest campgrounds, they are way cheaper. And look into getting a berkey water purifier. You will never have to buy water bottles again. Great videos! We love maine! Planning on retiring there! Have a blast.
We have a EU3000 Honda thats 17 years old that runs our AC on high just fine. Ours of course didn’t include a phone app. You are not hurting the generator. We talk about a soft start but haven’t bought one.
Love your videos!
If you guys decide to come over to NH we have a Boondockers Welcome site with electric and water on our farmstead. We would love to have you over sometime!
I recently started full time living in a RV and stumbled across your channel. Thank you so much for all of the invaluable information! You've helped me be a lot more confident in my decision and avoid some pitfalls. Thanks!
Not to sound too negative about your tire / wheel situation, but the problem you are having is exactly why I don't like lifting the suspension and going with oversized tires any more, especially when it's a tow rig.
No worries about sounding negative, we totally get it! Having a lifted truck is a fun toy, but isn't always practical like you said. Definitely some cons to consider when having a lifted truck 🙂 We appreciate your support in watching!
Agree with this post. These trucks are designed and engineered for towing and payload. When you lift it and add aftermarket wheels you’re asking for all sorts of problems. It can also throw off the suspension geometry changing angles and placing loads in positions the truck was designed to handle.
@@occasionalrv Yes, wheels with an offset other than the factory offset will throw off the steering geometry. Look up the Ackerman Principle for more information. Those front tires are scrubbing because those wheels have too much positive offset compared to the factory wheels. They are also placing additional load on the wheel bearings and other suspension components. Also, steering axis inclination comes into play., since the load is intended to be through the ball joints, centered on the centerline of the tire. Put aftermarket offset wheels on and all of the engineering goes out the window.
I had the sides of my tires. Hitting the control arm. I was told the offset was good. When I bought the wheels. This started to wear the side wall. I added high quality spacers. Problem solved. As an added bonus. My truck rode much nicer with the larger offset.
SURPRISE!!!, The generator that everyone else in the RV community recommended and uses worked!!
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Yes. Get a soft start. Install it. Then redo your test and see how much better it is and less heavy surge to generator
I tested generators for 35 years, believe me you are the first people to overload one!!! Is it a GOOD idea, probably not did it hurt it more than likely not! A soft start is a great idea! Happy Trails! ❤❤
It will do what it can do, if if can't it will juat stop - no harm done :)
We run an EU 3000 Honda. With throttle mode off it will power our fridge (residential 110 V) and both AC's. It has never let us down.
Look into an Easy Start. They will reduce the amount of power to start the compressor
Hey Joseph! Will do 🙂 Thank you for the suggestion
LOL. You guys overthought this one. I do recommend the Micro-Air SoftStart. I run my AC easily on a 2400-watt generator with a SoftStart. It was fun watching you guys work through this one, but a huge bummer about the tires and rims. Thanks for sharing. You never know who, or how many people might benefit from things we share.
That offset is not causing the tire wear issue. You have an alignment issue. You need a front end alignment. The tread pattern on those tires don’t help with tire wear either. Those tires are “scalloping”. A more aggressive tire pattern will have a tendency to do that more than a less aggressive highway tire would. I don’t see you traveling in snow and ice, I would think you would be much better off with more of a highway tire. Better longevity, and less likely to wear bad or unevenly. Just my 2C. Love the channel. PS: The offset may cause some contact, but it isn’t causing the wear. If they did an alignment on the truck when you bought the tires, they didn’t do a very good job.
Scalloping isn’t caused by alignment. Scalloping is caused by running the wrong tire pressure. There is no scalloping of that tire. The inside blocks are still intact. Seeing the wear pattern being only on the outside of the tire, and with out seeing the other side, it COULD be a camber issue. But with oversize tires and such a deep backspace, the likely answer is clearance over camber. I’d have to see the other tire and the positions at full lock.
As an addendum to this information, which is correct, you may also be having a strut issue with the truck. I don't know when you last replaced them, but if the strut is worn out, it will allow the tire to "bounce" and not keep constant contact with tread, thus causing scalloping of the All Terrain tire
@@Skwatt7171 . They would have a shock. But really bad shock could add to the problem, but I bet they would know if they had a bad shock. Just because of all the traveling they do. I hate to say it, but a lot of these discount tire places don’t have experienced alignment techs. And a lot of the time, that is the problem, unfortunately. Go to a reputable “alignment “ shop and have them look at it. The problem is, if they have started scalloping, I doubt a good alignment shop will align it without tire replacement because once they start that scalloping tire wear, even with an alignment it will continue to wear that same way because it has started doing it. I own a collision repair shop, and I own trucks, and I’ve seen this many times with friends that go to the bargain basement alignment shop being done by the tech that has been there for three month. Sorry, hopefully I haven’t offended anyone.
@@cwhite0708 . A truck with its toe adjustment set in to much will cause the outside of a tire this aggressive to cup or scallop. Ask an alignment tech or shop. That is my experience and what I’m told by the guy that does all my shop alignments. Just what I have experienced and been told by a guy that’s done alignments for fifty years. 🤷♂️
@@garyjones5093 his tire is not scalloped though…. Scalloping is caused by suspension components being worn or failing, not alignment. A toe in wear pattern would be across the whole tire, not limited to the outside blocks. A camber issue would cause the outer tire wear though. And I know what shop guys and techs tell people, it’s always the same story no matter where you go or how long they’ve doing it… I do my own alignment after every lift I put on or have helped put on by hand with no computer. That’s not a toe in wear pattern
Great demonstration on the genny. Looking forward to the Maine trip. We have a Honda EU2200i Companion and a 13.5 BTU air conditioner in our small 16 foot toy hauler. I have a neutral ground bonding plug I use with our surge protector because it doesn't like the lack of a grounding cable on the genny. I am considering a soft start but the highest draw from the AC is right around 1100 watts. Whenever I turn off the AC, I try to turn it to fan low so when I start it back up, it's not automatically going to the AC.
Here is the process I use to start the AC:
1. Shut everything off in the breaker panel, including the main breaker.
2. Connect the generator with the 30 amp cord.
3. Start the genny and the app.
4. Turn on the main breaker.
5. Turn on the breaker to the AC.
6. Start the AC and check the draw on the app.
7. Turn the AC to cool and check the draw on the app.
8. Cool down.
Even though the refrigerator is switched to gas, it will still require 12 volts to run the electrical circuitry in the refrigerator. Get a soft start. Love the videos, keep em coming!!
yes get a soft start for both. We just did solar for our DRV and it is very easy to install. The solar will run the ac and everything in our rig
I turn my generator on at RV parks once a week just to exercise it I let it run for about 45 minutes
That's a good idea! We need to run ours more often. We have been doing the treatment additive for the gas which helps
Once a week is a little excessive. 45 mins per is excessive too. We run ours once every 3 months for 10-15 mins. We do use a fuel stabilizer.
Just get a propane generator... No concerns about carbs
It will not hurt your gen. It has 2 rates on it. One is the startup rate, and the other is rsm (running) rate. The generator will shut down if it exceeds the startup rate. The warning message is for if you are using a continuous higher current than the rsm load. Generally it is to let you know you cant run the toaster and the microwave at the same time I.E. I would not worry about damaging your gen if your only using a.c. having your a.c.om high dose not draw much more current the compresser works the same it just changes the fan speed 👍
For me, I dont want to carry gasoline if I dont have to. With mine, I can run mine forever on propane because I use the coaches propane system. Never need to refuel a hot generator. Just fill 30lb bottles when needed.
I'm super happy with my fireman dual fuel...
The best thing about using the propane is no need to winterize it
Definitely need a soft start for a generator that small. We all love Honda generators. So many other options for more powerful generators. Thank you for all your tips and information and fun positive energy. Safe travels 🙏🏼❤️
My Honda 2200i will start my 13.5 A/c even without the soft start, but I did put one in anyway. Great service network, known and available parts, and easy to maintain. Love the Honda's!
Just installed two stiff starts on our A/C units. Can’t wait to see the difference. We need to test on generator like your doing. Thanks for the video. Awesome as always!!
I installed soft starts on both my air conditioners. Definitely makes a big difference. We plan on going to Maine next summer so I’m looking forward to your trip. Love the videos one of the best channels.
By all means install a soft start…I also have the same energy management system and a $5.00 cord cap with a copper ridge between the ground and the natural leg plugged into the generator will allow the power to flow through the EMS to your power center. We have a 3500 max generator and run the 15.5K A/C unit and most everything else, being careful to turn off the a/c when using other high wattage appliances. Now with a solar array and 3K inverter, we can run the a/c on the generator and use every thing else as well combining the two systems…really good boondocking experience.
Love your approach to all of your experiments and the resolve to press on through circumstances you don’t have much knowledge of. Keep it up you guys, love the adventure!
Look into Micro Air Easy Start. Much better than just a Soft Start capacitor. I have one on my camper a/c and my house a/c as well. Both units start and run much easier and quieter than without. There is also blue tooth to a phone app to see what it's drawing at startup and running.
For your tire issue, they make wheel spacers that bolt on behind the wheel. This will make your overall foot print a little wider but it should help with the rub issue
@@fritzramsey9440 they do make those… but for the love of god do NOT get spacers. Even the best spacers add yet another fail point in the drive train, not to mention adding in-needed wear on the axle shafts. Even on vehicles that aren’t constantly towing, I would never suggest spacers for anyone unless there is absolutely no other option.
We have been using our 3,000 watt Honda for years. Turning off the eco mode to run the a/c. It works well!
Happy with my soft start, and believe it is a necessity when using generator service, I don't get the surge alert, Im running the 2200i and it works fine with 30 AMP service on single Coleman Mach AC. I was a DIY install.
That's so great to hear! Love that you are able to run off the 2200i. The soft starts sound like an incredible way to go to help alleviate that initial start up of the AC
Soft start on the AC is a must. I use a 3000 w generator and it runs my AC without issue. I also have a 3600 /4200 surge W generator and I run two AC of it just fine. Fridge is on Propane. Water heater on Propane. Converter runs continuously without issue.
A/C soft starter is the best thing ever. Fixed our issues perfect
We did Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire last September with no plans and it worked out great. Harvest Host was also great. We camped at brewerys and maple syrup businesses. 😋 they were our last 3 states to hit all 50 states. We had no plans at all and it worked out. We were there just before the leaves changing so missed that but also missed the massive crowds.
Another advantage of MicroAir EasyStarts, same come as your remote thermostats, is you can also run both AC units in a 30amp old school campsite. We use to run into them in old TT and other older campgrounds and gives you more flexibility. I can run either AC on our 2930RL using a 2600W Ryobi generator which is 10 lbs lighter and has similar Bluetooth features. I have the Hughes Power Watchdog which shows me the amperage being pulled while in a 30amp campsite so I can manage my connection, like turn the AC to fan only while I run the microwave, etc. We are not full timers, but hit the road once or twice a year for 6-8 weeks at a time and have crossed this great country several times from northern NV several times. We try not to travel in extreme heat so I have started to travel only with a twist to 30amp cable which is much lighter and easier to coil up on travel days than that heavy 50amp cord from GD.
I have this generator. Runs my rv ac, microwave, fridge, and plugs at the same time. Can’t run the air fryer or dryer but not a problem. Use my jackery solar generator for those items.
Active controls has a good soft start that works with generators and you can monitor it through your phone too! I have one and I love it. I have the 50amp one and I can use it at sites with only 30amp service and still get to use both A/C's.
We have the same a/c. You may want to try it on high cool, and it may take fewer watts. A soft start is a good deal.
Had the same issue with my tires. I put a 2.5” leveling kit on my truck, and it fixed the issue. Just know if you go with the 2.5” leveling kit, you will most likely need to change the front shocks as well. Hope that helps🤘
The Soft start will take care the starting of the compressor also will prevent your TV going off ...
We need to get some soft starts for sure! Thank you for your wonderful support in watching 🙂
We have that same generator. And use a soft start on our ac. It runs juat fine full blaat. Can even run the microwave and coffee pot. Got our honda 3200 when it first came out and have had zero issues. Have ran it for 6 hours one day. No issues.
Thank you SO much for this video! You explained perfectly regarding the too large of a tire rubbing inside of the wheel well. That's something we will FOR SURE keep in mind when changing the tires for our RV toad. Thank you for that!👍🏽😁
Absolutely! We are glad it can be of some help 😃 I have been reading through the comments and others mentioned that the truck could also be out of alignment and causing this....so I am gonna go down that rabbit hole today and do some more research. Thank you for watching!
The soft start for you AC will reduce the initial draw from the generator. Definitely worth adding to your ac units
Also, leave generator on eco. It will only kick on when needed. Ie…each time the compressor turns on
We have two Honda generators and have never had an issue running both ac’s. Our rig is a Keystone Montana
AC units normally run the fans immediately but, wait to start the compressor to allow time for the coolant to run down to the low spot. Compressors need to work on the gas form of the coolant. If the liquid form gets in the compressor it will damage it.
Thanks for the tip! It's great to know that waiting for the coolant to settle before the compressor starts can prevent damage. Definitely something we’ll keep in mind!
I’m no expert, but low, medium, high… the compressor is the energy hog, fan speed should be an inconsequential thing. The load is going to be determined by compressor use, so temperature setting would have much more effect.
I just got our Airstream out of storage. I have 2 AC’s 13500, and 15000 with MicroAir soft starts. I just ran BOTH AC’s on the Honda EU3200i! Handled the load just fine. The key is the Soft starts and get the larger one going first.
Add a soft start to each of your ac units. We have 2 and we run both on 30amps. Soft start is a game changer!
The soft start is my recommendation, it really works great. We can even run our AC with our Honda 2200i. The Honda has an overload protection that not allow an overload to harm the generator. It simply cause the overload light to come on the front panel of the generator and you reset it.
Awesome! I think you both are right a soft start will help the situation that you are trying. With that said Thanks for the information learned a lot. Thanks for sharing!
it is a no brainer that a soft start is MANDATORY for this scenario!!! and one should be installed just for ac longevity.... 🤠
Install soft start on both A/C units. Yiu can only run one at a time but that allows living area colling durring the day and bedroom/bathroom at night.
The tire wearing on the outside is more likely an alignment or suspension issue and not from the rubbing in the wheel well. I have a leveled Ram 2500 and have oversized tires and wheels for the last 10 years. Pretty much always had rubbing issues but never uneven wear. When you replace our tires soon, get 8t aligned afterwards and i would bet you won't have aymowear issues for a while. Just a thought.
Excellent information and something I had never considered. Thank you very much for this! - Kyle
RVSoftStart on both our AC’s is what we needed.
You fid Not hurt your generator.
The generator will disconnect if more power is demanded than it can supply. No problem, no harm.
The High & Low you mention is only for your fan speeds.
The compressor kicking on is what pulls the mist current. The High fan pulls a little more than low but not that much.
If low fan and compressor puts you close to gen max wattage, going to high fan could cause the generator to disconnect on overload.
MicroAir soft start for the win!! I have them on both my RV and my home unit. It's definitely worth the investment
I have an off grid home and a back up Honda EU3000 generator when I have issues with my solar. I always run mine on the full speed ahead mode and when I turn on the washing machine it bogs down for a few seconds and then handles the load. I run my AC micro wave just everything in my house when using the generator and as long as I stay under the 3000 watt load it handles it fine. I only had one problem with it as I was down at my house in AZ during summer and we hit 127 degrees and I had to use the Honda to run the AC for a week and it would over heat. I bought one of those water misting things and had it mist water on the generator for that week and it keep it cool and ran 10 days straight with out issues. I run mine off of propane and have it hooked to a 100 gal tank so once I start it, it will run non stop for a month if I so wanted. Don't worry about the readings if the Honda over loads it will kick out the breaker and save its self. Have over loaded it and abused it for four years and it never has failed to start and run.
EvaPOration cools the air by 20 degrees, I read. Im a huge fan of misters also. Just found an evaporating fan on amazing. Hicozy. I now have 3. Totally helps the ac in our Central Valley heat
Your front tires are wearing like that because your always towing. Those independent front ends wear on the outside like on all of them when towing heavy that .my 2019 gmc 2500hd did the same thing when I towed my fithwheel too.
We have a 5000 Watt predator generator with our 30 amp system. We still use our watchdog surge protector. We also use propane so we can store our generator in the doorway inside our camper during travel days. Hands down best decision ever! We also have a factory 200 watt solar panel on our roof
I agree with buying soft start for your A/C's. I run my A/C on 115V 20amps. I've actually ran 2 A/C's with my soft starts.
The Easy Start takes 30-60 minutes to install & makes a huge difference in lowering the amperage required to start the compressor. The difference in the two scenarios is so dramatic. The Easy Start stores most of the surge energy within itself & only sips current from the generator at startup. It was worth every penny. I did not do the East Start install on our Imagine because our Furrion A/C seemed to start okay with our Champion 4200W fuel fuel generator. We only travel Spring & Fall as we spend our summers in CO @ 8,000' on full hookups & our winters in FL on full hookups. We do a lot of Harvest Hosts in between, so mostly in GA or N FL do we need the AC. When it's 85 F & Humid we use it, lol.
Keep up the good work!
Davey & Sheila
Nice to see you trying new things to be comfortable off grid. Soft start is a great idea. Keep pushing, it's liberating...
You do need a soft start. They are great. We initially hooked up to just 120 house and when we got softstart that helped alot
Get or make a ground bonding connector to use your surge suppressor. We had to do the same thing.
Also, 8.5 hours of runtime is at 1/4 throttle. It will run 3.5 hours at full rated power.
Fun episode though. It’s good to see “experienced” RVers learning new stuff.
Don't worry about it.
If it was too much, the engine would just stall, which would mean your demand was higher than it can provide. Definitely get a soft start and you could leave the battery charger going while running the a/c.
Happy travels, stay cool 😊
The bypass mode is used for connecting to devices that does not have a ground, like your generator. This is why normal mode works on shore power or will fault if the shore power is not grounded.
Now running it in bypassmode for y our generator is the correct way to do this and you will be ok to run it this way. good luck!
I thought y'all had soft starts? Definitely worth it. They will also walk you thru installation on the phone.
Also you are not likely to damage Jenny. They will simply shut down before sustaining any damage.
The campground we’re at always has available spots! Not because it’s bad, because it’s really nice! They have one side for seasonal and the other side for shorter stays.
We have a microair easystart. Love it! Fan starts THEN the compressor starts. Our older 2k Honda not impacted.
The generator can handle the load. Without a soft start the a/c unit will consume a lot of power at start up as the compressor and fan start at the same time. Soft start will time the startup to limit the draw of power and lessening the power bump. Just installed on my travel trailer. Single 15000btu a/c unit, will run off 15amp household plug.
Back to the generator, the Honda 3200 can handle the generator surge in most cases. It should have an overload protection. Generator will go into idle mode if overload and generator will have to be reset/restarted that’s all. You guys are doing the right thing by reducing your other power draw in the trailer if you are running the a/c. Honda is a great product. You guys will be fine.
Keep up the great work on the channel.
Unless you are doing circles in the Walmart parking lot at full clock rubbing for hours, rubbing won't cause the wear. You'll see chunks missing before you notice wear. General rule is inner and outer shoulder wear together is caused by low tire pressure. Excess tire pressure will cause center tire wear. 1 shoulder (inner or outer) is caused by camber alignment. Cupping is caused by worn shocks. Places like Discount/ americas tire policy is oem pressure or door decal. The only way to know if you have the correct tire pressure is to monitor your tire wear pattern.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this. I didn't think about the worn shocks or camber alignment. Appreciate your feedback!
"VA", like what is on the dial on the app, is Volt Amps. It is a combination of Watts "W" and Volt Amp Reactance "VAR". Volts and amps are part of the equation but in the end power usage is measured in either Watts or Volt Amps, typically Watts.
Thanks for the clarification! That definitely helps explain it better. Appreciate you taking the time to break that down!
@@HappilyEverHanks no problem
We have a Coleman Mach 8 on our camper with an onan 2500 watt generator. Worked fine for AC. I actually put a soft start in and you can really tell the difference when running the generator or not. There is no big thug ( draw ) at the beginning. Put the soft start in as we are upgrading to lithium batteries and want to run a/c on batteries so think your 3500 watt generator will be fine for your 1 ac!
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I'm running the same generator and EMS unit for 3 years - Install a Neutral Bonding Plug for the generator and a Soft Start A/C in one, or better yet both A/C units and you'll be good to go. No need to run in bypass mode and if you're not using much other power you could possibly run both A/C units. (Not sure about that as we only have one A/C)
I run my A/C off a 2200i, but it only works bc of my soft start. I found an excellent company in SW Utah called Hutch Mountain and they were amazing with support on the install. They also sell propane conversion kits for Honda generators, which was very convenient to carry propane instead of dealing with gas/diesel.
Good test and you already have a lot of comments. You did not hurt the generator, it has more then enough safeties protecting it. You definitely need soft start on the AC units. I did not buy the MicroAir version, for less then the cost of 1 of theirs I bought 2 of another brand.
We live in New Hampshire and Tri-State RV Park is always our 1st stop for a night on any trip south or west and our last stop coming home. It’s just the right distance and easy off/easy on the interstate.
Camping in New England is expensive and it gets worse the closer you get to the ocean.
Definitely a soft start will help.
We figured it would be a great help. We can't wait to get some :)
Soft start is the key - I use a honda 2200i without problem w/ a 13.5 AC - works great while boon docking, and microwave!
You should probably add a 'soft' or 'easy' start to your air conditioner if you plan on running it often from the generator. They run about $300 and greatly reduce the initial power draw when the compressor starts. We have one on our heat pump, and it's fantastic.
We have a boat with 8KW generator. It uses 1 gallon an hour. We have a 2,500 watt inverted with 10 golf cart batteries to power it. The charger draws 10AMPs so I got a 2000 watt inverter generator that burns 1 gallon every 8 hours to charge the batteries. Some times it trips due to a refigerator going on. After 5 years the generator works fine. I would not worry.
That’s good to know-sounds like your setup works really well! Thanks for sharing your experience and for supporting our channel. We really appreciate it, David!
Gens have a breaker for over current. You'll trip the breaker but will not harm it. You'll harm the ac more byshutting off power without turning it off 1st. Follow the break in procedure, they are usually detuned but running at max rpm technically is higher wear and heat which also should increase oil change intervals
Great information! Thank you so much!
First thing we did was install soft starts on both our AC units the week we bought our RV. We can run one unit off our batteries with a small 2000w inverter and our solar setup on our travel trailer. 🐾🐾
YES! Get a Micro Air Easy Start. They are the original product to solve the problem. I have one on my A/C and it staggers the start up of the cooling fan first and then the compressor, to prevent overloading of the generator.
Definitely get a soft start. The temporary overload will not hurt the generator. If you exceed the maximum amperage draw for longer than the generator allows, it will disconnect the load. The generator has safety features to prevent damage.
Only get the a/c soft start that goes inside your a/c. Not the built in surge protector one that plugs into the pedestal.