Why This System Absolutely Sucks In Zenless Zone Zero
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Bro stick to wuthering and hsr, don't bother playing other games, u just ruining your youtube channel
Be quiet dork
Expanding ur brand is never a bad thing
Pin of shame
You're right man, he should listen to you cos you have so many subs
imagine telling others what to do and not to do
After THREE betas of players telling hoyo that the TV is the weakest aspect of the game they dug their heels
they just kept it, its fine i already uninstalled the game after playing the tv system lol
not only that but they knew it sucks so it was absent from every single trailer lmao
Hoyo didn’t listen? Imagine my shock 😮
If you stupid *play this game"
If you so dumb *play this game*
If you idiot *play this game*
If you brainless *play this game*
If you a monkey *play this game*
Just smash button (close eyes) & you still win the boss battle
This is great game for you all people (🐒)
Full Review ZZZ by IGN
*1 ⭐⭐⭐2024 Garbage Game ⭐⭐⭐
Install& sleep 💤😴💤
50GB for Faking Boring Repetitive is Idiot stupid thing ever
It's getting better after EOS 😂😂😂
If you stupid *play this game"
If you so dumb *play this game"
If you idiot *play this game"
If you brainless *play this game"
If you 5 years old *play this game" 😱
If you a monkey *play this game"
Hoyo Targeted Children Audience for sure
I'm curios is true all staff hoyo is Pedophiles 🤔
Just smash button (close eyes) & you still win the boss battle
This is great game for you all people (🐒)
Full Review ZZZ by IGN
*1 ⭐⭐⭐2024 Garbage Game ⭐⭐⭐
Install& sleep 💤😴💤
50GB for Faking Boring Repetitive is Idiot stupid thing ever
It's getting better after EOS 😂😂😂
After watching this video, I kinda get the feeling that ZZZ is leaning towards a visual novel with playable fight scenes (w/ a gacha system)
exactly
The People who were saying it's just Hi3rd 2.0 is starting to make alot more sense now
Which is crazy since it was originally meant to be combat heavy
I hope so! I love the aesthetics and gameplay!
So like scarlet nexus then
Cbt1 : tv segment is bad.
Hoyo : listened.
Cbt2 : tv segment is bad.
Hoyo : listened.
Cbt3: tv segment is bad.
Hoyo : listened.
Released : tv segment is bad.
Hoyo : listened.
Hoyo fans, im sure hoyo will listen 😊
They're coping so hard
Devs Listened, but did not act.
Hoyo: you will like it and cope
Hoyoknights: yes all hail hoyo
i heard that they reduced it a lot and then added the 2x
ZZZ got those genshin devs for sure to manage them, its obvious they don't give a shit after dehya incident 😂.
I don’t know why they thought less control of the characters you possibly paid for was a good idea
not point in rolling for characters if i cant use them yoou know. Ill stick to f2p in this game or drop it entirely.
@@KamiGemaGamingGenshin moment. Get constellations to get hit with unskippable dialogue and cooking events
@@magdieldexteryeah in dialogue, but in combat you get to use them as much as you’d like. You can even choose when to switch characters🤯
@@EyelessAugust imagine being so braindead LOL
Idk why we cant even run around the city as our preferred character and the game just swaps to mc when its time for important interactions. Very off putting to not be able to see your unit or fight with after summoning.
I only hate the tv system while going through the story, I actually really like it whenever I’m doing the mode similar to sim uni from hsr, it feels much better
That's the only time I hate the TV system otherwise I don't mind it
Same. Like what smack said, the system itself isn't bad. What makes it bad is the fact that they're placed in the wrong part of the game, the story.
Personally I really like the story told by the TV system, comic strips, etc... as I don't use the skip for the dialogues I like it, but as you can't skip the story by the TV system I can hear that it frustrates some people (even if I can't understand them as I never use skip in all games)
The TV system breaks the story immersion so hard it's actually insane. Like i'm fine if it was just in hollow zero but intergrating it into the story is just so weird to me. I'd honestly rather sit through some still images and cutscenes than do that scrap. massive chore.
50 gb of TV's
If you stupid *play this game"
If you so dumb *play this game*
If you idiot *play this game*
If you brainless *play this game*
If you a monkey *play this game*
Just smash button (close eyes) & you still win the boss battle
This is great game for you all people (🐒)
Full Review ZZZ by IGN
*1 ⭐⭐⭐2024 Garbage Game ⭐⭐⭐
Install& sleep 💤😴💤
50GB for Faking Boring Repetitive is Idiot stupid thing ever
It's getting better after EOS 😂😂😂
Like I don’t even know why are there TVs what is the point of the TVs to the job of the proxies?
If you stupid *play this game"
If you so dumb *play this game"
If you idiot *play this game"
If you brainless *play this game"
If you 5 years old *play this game" 😱
If you a monkey *play this game"
Hoyo Targeted Children Audience for sure
I'm curios is true all staff hoyo is Pedophiles 🤔
Just smash button (close eyes) & you still win the boss battle
This is great game for you all people (🐒)
Full Review ZZZ by IGN
*1 ⭐⭐⭐2024 Garbage Game ⭐⭐⭐
Install& sleep 💤😴💤
50GB for Faking Boring Repetitive is Idiot stupid thing ever
It's getting better after EOS 😂😂😂
The story is bad as it is. Theres no major enemy or major goal. The hacker is the only major bad guy, and their impact is... meh.
Add the tv system to that. It breaks the immersion from the already boring story...
And the lack of combat, why did they say that they will focus on the combat aspect if they will just lock the combat behind the tv system, which takes more time to do than the combat
The TV system made more sense to me when I started Rally type missions because by playing as your team running around a large Hollow map with a lot of moving parts, combat stages and a final boss fight, it actually gives you a feel of what you're supposed to be controlling on a macro scale from the TVs in other usual mission types (a boots on the ground perspective).
But yeah, the TV system has been way too abstracted to the point where players only see bangboos and symbols, not their characters doing story objectives. I'd much rather prefer Rally type missions for story content for this reason, even if there are parts that have to be cut out via black screens, it'd still be way more immersive.
The Rally missions really stood out for me and made me wonder why they didn't introduce them sooner. I think if they had one of these early on, it would at least let players know what they are capable of/what's ahead.
@@justkubz Hoyo says they are making changes and focusing more on Rally over the Tv for future story chapters and may go back and redo parts of chapter 1 to be Rally missions instead of TV
@lordlubu3029 that's great to hear, I think it would add to the new player experience. Hope you have an awesome weekend, gamer!
@@lordlubu3029 do you have a source for that? I wouldn't want to get my hopes up if it's just trust me bro. Because i really do like the rally missions, and same that if they can do this, why bother with the tv at all.
@reverie4384 it was said to in one of the livestreams
Imagine that you had to solve a puzzle after every 5 minutes of watching a movie/anime that’s how TVs felt for me it just kept dragging me out of the story and the combat
gacha players are brainelss and want to keep being it
Honestly ZZZ would make for a fire anime
not even just that imagine if one out of every 3 episodes of your favorite show the animation was replaced with colored rocks that represent the characters, terrible way to tell a story
I get what he is saying , the Tv system doesn't make you feel like you playing a story, it's more like a moving puzzle way and you trying to reach the end final line. It is something new they want to try but the TV system makes it looks like a mini game. Like a mini separate game, which takes you away from what you think you are doing.
Not just story, the tv system is taking the place of good exploration. In HSR, you have all these different worlds and locations to explore, complete little puzzles to get into different areas, etc. There is effectively no exploration at all in ZZZ because the tv system is taking the place of it.
There was never supposed to be any exploration in ZZZ lmao and even if they remove the tv they aren't going to add HSR esque areas to explore
@@Indian_gae_boii Just goes to show how much of a cash grab this game was lmao. Just because this game wasn't "supposed" to have exploration, doesn't mean the game is better for it.
@@arnouxgaming3720except the game really doesn’t need exploration tho, while I agree that the TVs are garbage they don’t need to give the game exploration
At best just making the maps like closers and elsword where you can at least work with a bigger map and see the objectives would be much better
@@arnouxgaming3720 ZZZ is more of a traditional gatcha game where you play a story and then go back to charector collecting, I don't think you realise that despite being the most popular, genshin, HSR and now WUWA is an exception to the gatcha genre, even HI3 is like this where you enter various levels to beat up mobs and then leave, no exploration to speak of, except there's no TV system there which makes it fun
@@Indian_gae_boii I think that is fair to say, but in terms of making gacha games into better games overall, I think this game really should have had exploration of some sort
That's crazy I had no idea what happened in that TV segment either my brain just went on autopilot trying to figure out the route that get's me out of there as fast as possible.
The fact there's main story attached to it has me concerned cause now I need to focus more in the future segments...
imagine having to focus in order to understand a story...
i would be just skipping
the way I see it is, hoyo creates, or at least attempts to create, systems that are designed to be as eye catching and flashy as possible, they cooked with the TVs, it does its job well... it in fact does it's job so well it makes your brain tune out everything else, the bombardment of sounds, animations, sprites, the bangboos having an aneurism in the main TV, it forces you to focus on it so much, too much.
@@raulmaltrain6893 Imagine talking about focus when you clearly couldn't focus on a word the video said.
Thats why the tv system is a total garbage system that ruin the game.
Even it has beautiful animation , good asetic etc.
If it is just one part, its fine. But it totall took ovet everyaspect of the game which it sucks. Zzz is doomed if this tv continues
funny thing is, they could make a better stage and they proof it in rally commission mode but they want to introduce the TV system so bad to the main story and it flop.
Honestly? I think TV mode would be fine if it weren't for Hoyo literally shoving dialogue every 3 steps, then dropping a tutorial in your face.
It's meant to be the main character's role. They're experiencing these things from an outside perspective while remotely controlling their little rabbit. They quite literally are one step removed from the actual agents. It's probably not the best choice - but the alternative would just be a non-stylized top-down dungeon exploration with a PC menu. Hoyo simply didn't build environments big enough to make it a true exploration game, and there's no way they'll have time to before a WAY further patch. It seems pretty clear they allocated the budget to this game more similarly to HI:3rd. I don't expect it to do much more than HI:3rd did. So it's more that I expect rather than replace it with anything, if they did something to the TV system, it would just be removing it and having the visual novel dialogue between.
But IMO the real problem is how often your sibling pops in to be like "LOOK OVER HERE AT THIS SPOT IT IS THE SPOT YOU NEED TO GO TO, ALSO LOOK OVER HERE THERE'S A WEIRD SQUARE HERE, HMMMMM WHY IS THAT THERE I WONDER HMMMM. OH WELL GUESS WE GOTTA GO TO THE SQUARE WE WERE PLANNING' Then you hit your first puzzle and the sibling pipes up again with "LOOK WE'RE STUCK HERE TILL WE FIGURE THIS OUT. HERE'S THE GOAL OF THE PUZZLE. LET ME ROAM YOUR CAMERA OVER TO THE OBJECTIVES WHILE I EXPLAIN THEM" Then when you complete the first step "WAIT UP JUST SO YOU KNOW THE NEXT STEP IS OVER HERE, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN THE GOAL OF THE PUZZLE ACTUALLY LET ME EXPLAIN THAT TOO!"
It conditions you to be mashing through it so you miss everything that's actually happening.
I think that is my main issue with the game so far and many JRPGs like it in that it CONSTANTLY cuts the flow of the game to add dialogue and tutorials. I love stories in games, but these games do not let you play or engage with the story without constant interruption.
Same. I don't have a problem with the TV system. It's very simple yet they overexplain it. Meanwhile the combat is more complex than most people realize and the game let's you discover it yourself.
the problem of the tv system is the only way to connect the mc with the story because they only are teenagers with very good skills at hacking
They don't have levels; they merely having fighting "rooms". The TVs are roads from one room to another room. It's lazy game design.
Yeah, I don't know what is going on it is getting worse for every new game. They went from fully open world in Genshin to small levels in Start Rail then actually no levels at all in ZZZ. The whole game is only a couple of rooms.
@@leucome Moreover, the game is a whopping 50gb-117gbish in PC and 21gb in Mobile just for a small content that they provided😂
It's insane how much improved these games would be by just telling you more story while you walk around.
Pretty much how it works in every action game with this style.
They could have you play a stage, and then add puzzle WITHIN the stage so mc has more "involvement" within the story. It's how other action games with this style do it.
TVs were atrocious idea, whoever came up with it. It only makes you disjointed from what you are doing.
I actually enjoy ZZZ and you hit the nail on the head, tv system just shouldn’t be in the story
1:09
Innovative and original ! , INNOVATIVE AND ORIGINAL !!!! brother I don't know about you but I have played games in the past with comic style story telling it's not new to me in particular ,but yes 90% of zzz is original as 90% of the game is nothing but T.V simulator ☠️☠️☠️ the remaining 10% is a complete copy paste form past hoyo game there is 0% innovation let alone this game being original, oh! sorry I forgot the t.v so there is some innovation I guess 🤣🤣🤣.
Man, I loved the gameplay of ZZZ at the beginning. it looked fresh and stylish but man it gets boring so easily that I wish there is Auto to do those quests. I get that there are hard bosses later on but I literally played for 12 hours and no challenge or fun in the combat.
There is a skip button, if you didn’t know, during story, you press menu and there’s a skip button.
@@DogPersonaWhich is funny because they only gave you a skip button for the parts of the story that actually matters, and not, you know, the yapfest of random npcs
@@kamikazeeeeee103 very true. But at least it’s easy to skip through, they should still add a skip button there.
Honestly if they transform the TV section into dungeon crawler like etrian odyssey or persona,it will be more engaging i think, there's already boopa as a mascot guide and mini event story on dungeon can also be made into comic strip. But well i dread to imagine the file size of it.
Its crazy how right you are. A pivotal, emotional moment in the story and a well written one at that, completely negated by a tedious and immersion breaking system that feels like a board game designed to waste your time
Honestly, the video archive is a very W feature.
On the TV system, I think a cool way to go about it is to make it "seamless". For example: The proxies are using a monitor and the HDD system right? Well, why not have the "board TV" gameplay be a "minimap" on the top left corner of the screen? When you move around in-game, you can see the bangboo in the TVs moving from screen to screen.
More W if you have to option to delete or redownload like in GI.
If they played more into the television aspect being visual it would work better imo. When an event happens, it should zoom into the TV and do the comic style to supplement. My tinfoil hat says this is an experiment that hoyo is conducting with how much they can cut corners.
Hoyo probably spent too much money on it to change it or to remove it
Or they are just lazy to do it and slap it as it is. All the done on the tv is you don't have to manually click from the screen to screen to travel. They didn't even mention the TV in their livestream
Kuro spent a lot of money on their original story too but that didn't stop them from replacing it when they knew it was bad 💀
Yea for them I bet it's a Development time saving method
@@HazardTone No, they do mention the TVs. The refer it as "board" gameplay.
@@uenoe Apparantly the devs love it so that's why it wasn't removed after the 2 CBTs
Love the constructive criticism!!
Yeah for that i didn't ever try it.
I'm happy just with HSR and Wuwa.
I can’t make it past the tutorial phase 😂 this one is not for me.
I like the way they’re telling the story and the character personalities but other than that I’m basically forcing myself to play.
After playing wuwa, my standard for combat is pretty high and the combat doesn’t hit for me, honestly prefer genshin combat over this and I don’t like that combat system.
Then there’s the character designs, call me crazy but I don’t think it’s good. Big boobas doesn’t equal to good design (an example from WuWa; Jinhsi, small boobas, beautiful design while taoqi has massive boobas but design is meh imo) this is how most of zzz female characters look, the body proportions are way off and maybe it’s just the art style but it just doesn’t appeal to me.
how to fix the tv problem:
the number 1 rule of story telling is show don't tell. why have a video archive? why not make it the game story?
use the tv system as a menu (you use the bangboo to select the story or combat).
if you click story, then you just sit back while it plays like a movie, but it would have points where you had to make choices (aka the convos you have in the game rn)
the combat would be it's own thing, you use the bangboo like you do now but it's only combat when you enter an instance.
The way to do it for me would be: exploration of hollows "in person" with Belle's bangboo through different level instances and Wise would be support us using the TV system for things like finding out secret paths, incoming enemies, hidden treasures, etc. Add to that comic panels to help with the story telling and there you go. That way you are immersed, every character has its role and dont get that feeling of wtf is happening.
Swap the TV system out for some procedurally generated tile sets that keep you connected to your characters and id be so down to give this game a second chance but it literally killed my will to play the story with the tv system
9:22 this not supposed to be why the file size is that big, It's just a replay of the cutscene that we already have, having it on the archive doesn't mean we multiplying the cutscene, it's just a replay button, all game have the cutscene file in it, but didn't implement the "replay button" doesn't mean the cutscene gone.
the moment the tv start i can't wait for it to be done , yes it's new, yes it's unique, but it doesn't feel good even after doing it 15-30 times .
i wish it there was a skip to the puzzle so people who want it can do it and those who don't can move ahead , maybe tokens that u can collect can make u skip 5 puzzles for the day or anything like that
The TV systems are frustrating. No doubt in my mind. The bombs mission fucks on TV is pretty bad too. It's super wonky to have 4 units getting ran over in the train. Its wonky when the bombs hit you no matter what. The bricks being breakable if open woulda helped earlier too.
Bro I turned the game off after the Nekomata Monitor Section. That was 15min+ of that Stupid TV System...
Devs said "We reduced the TV sessions", imagine that crap without a cut. Man
180 Free Pull? nah, You go to Grind the whole GAMEPLAY to claim that
They’re still free buddy you’re delusional
Free ≠ get shoved in your ass asap when you launch the game
@@jyuu6650 U still have to work for it, which is time consuming a lot.
@@jyuu6650 its a rewards
Paying with playtime isn't free lol
and they have the audacity to promote this as a fighting combat focus game? they even did street figther collab inspiration and shiiit and when you play the game all the time you will just spend playing tv
I agree with you. I don’t like the TV system thing. I just can’t find any fun in that system.
It would be fine if they just do a dungeon instance or something like that.
I loved the TVs at first, but after about 2 hours, I got so tired of them.
fighting game but playing with the TV and walking around talking is 90% of the game lol
One thing i really hated is when the BIG ENEMY was shown walking through the TVs instead of a cutscene or in the backround of a level...........that was SO LAME to do
imagine a videogame doing videogame-like things omg!!!!
-suddenly no one complains when enemies just spawn of thin air when you start a domain in genshin or wuwa??? why doen't they have an animation like, coming out of a portal (abyss enemies) from a hole in the ground (mushroom enemies) out of a smoke bomb (treasure hoarders)
-suddenly no one complains when canonically in the story, none of the characters you pull are actually with you???? like wtf, that is so lame!!! i pulled diluc, but diluc is just chilling in mondstat!!!!!! why isn't it like a real game like ff7 when i get yuffie she's always with me???????
jesus, the logic some people find to hate on zzz is unreal.
@@raulmaltrain6893 Your take gave me cancer
@@raulmaltrain6893 ........uh what are u even talking about
Yeah, this guy really went off the rails there...
I think it was really dumb too. Big bad breaking tv slots.
Good comparison is when your doing the hollow zero mission and the cutscenes starts. Pretty effective showing the boss flying over head with the inspector scared out of her mind
@@raulmaltrain6893 Thoses excuses are of the same quality as the game itself, dogshit.
The TV's are basically a 10 minute cutscene in disguise. I think the individual elements of zzz are amazing. Combat is fun (or at least i see the potential with harder endgame), the vibes of the story are amazing, and even the TV navigation would be engaging or at least fine if not for the story interrrupting me every 2 seconds, but the gameplay loop being 10 minutes of dialogue followed by 10 minutes of interactive cutscenes in disguise is just not it.
that god of war comparison was perfect, they really need to implement something similar soon
The tv system taking more time than the actual combat, and that's the only thing that makes me don't want to play.
Project Mugen is going to be the zzz we thought we were getting.
Any news about that game? As far as I know we only got a trailer right?
Yeah nothing new on any socials yet.@@stefanusunicorn7483
Thst game dropped a trailer MONTHS ago.......and dipped.....litterally 0 news since
I wouldn't be hoping for any updates w that game anytime soon, netease ain't known for their communication at all.
Oh yeah. I guess that's a good point.
for instanced combat i much rather prefer the tvs over selecting 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, etc... from a menu. i can see why people wouldnt like it tho, but im having fun. also i heard hollow zero tv system is better than the one in the story, and puzzles are more interesting
I agree, but the issue with the TVs is that they feel too disconnected from the story, if they felt more attached, such as showing chibis running and solving the puzzles. It would feel more like you’re still doing the story.
Not from menu. Just copy Arknights or FGO's story nodes.
Max Payne did the comic book style way back. Loved it. Max Payne had good and hard gunplay though, for the time at least. I feel ZZZ should be a full on Anime. That way I can put it on the second monitor, where it deserves to be.
W vid, I’m over here jamming to the background music you got playing at the beginning 🔥🔥🔥
im gonna keep it 100% real with you man, tested the game till lvl 28, it was mostly fine, a solid 8/10 game for me.
im just not gonna deal with the same systems again u know. login daily to not fall behind, im not gonna save crystals and wait for good banners, farm artifacts, fish for substats, deal with a resin system and be frustrated when im not getting what i want in a very price gacha system. just to be able to clear 30 mins of endgame content twice a month. so i uninstalled it.
ill keep my relationship with hoyo strictly to genshin cuz im just waiting for the resolution of the story after that im probably done with gachas altogether.
Bro i wanted just to say: the agent stories in archive are actually character quests! Its the same as the companion quests in hsr! Its a bit confusing because they slapped them in the archive but they are character quests that gives exp and currency when completed ;D
I love the insight, helped me figure out the problem I had with the story.
If you took out the TV system everywhere except Hollow Zero, it makes the game better and improves the story.
1:09 I think one of the big factors for me to start playing the game was that it remembered me of Gravity Rush (It also had a lot of comics to tell the story). It's sad that it never got popular tho so they even had to close the multiplier server.
Bro, thx for explaining what happened, I thought I was pushing boxes on the train cus I didnt read the yapping during TV
I have to say smack this is an instance based game the tv system is the only innovative feature in a instance vased game insteaod having
1-1
1-2
1-3
Trust me the tv system isnt that bad
Except hoyo has already shown there was a better alternative: Rally missions. They're just locked so far into the game that most people quit before they get to them.
Finally a even take on the TV's. It has the bones of a fun activity but needs to be reworked.
I think it would be good if it were only in The quests that specify puzzles But it's been bugging me because I really just want to get to the combat and running around the zones and having to do the TV puzzle mode every time is kind of annoying so I'm glad you're saying something and it's not just me
The problem with the video archive is that it will continue to increase in size the more stories and lore that get added in the future, as it stands the game size is already too big for a non open world gacha game in its 1.0 version, if they don't do anything about that, might as well just turn ZZZ into a visual novel game as stories would probably eat up more space than the gameplay content
TV feels like one of those mini games like clock puzzle in hsr. But here TV is like mini game with battle room mini game inside the TV mini game
Nothing I can say that hasnt been said, but Zzz is a casual, visual novel experience with some ego-boosting combat. It can be fun if you don't expect more, but it is by no means a top-tier gacha. To be honest, i dont think they were going for that in the first place.
The TV system completely killed this game for me. A shame because the rest of what i experienced was at least decent
I have to agree heavily on this take. Playing through the story feels dogshit sometimes and I just don't feel connected at all, but I do like the cutscenes themselves. I am going to try and sit through some stuff that I thought was boring/uninteresting and see if the tv system is what took me out of it, or if the story just isn't for me.
there is so much happening in the "comic" sections and "tv" sections that would have been really great as actual gameplay. having your character jump onto a train, run to the front and take it over would've been epic if you actually were doing it yourself.
The game feels like 90% visual novel, 5% cutscenes, 5% gameplay.
12:33 That book cover with Grace and Koleda *HAS TO BE* a JoJo reference
A JOJO REFRENCE
Yeah I see a bit of Part 4 reference; the title on the spine of the book, as well as Koleda posing as a delinquent like Josuke
The biggest question is "is the dev gonna listen?"
"They already did"supposedly.
3 CBT. 3 seperate Betas where players can give feedbacks about the game. Yet ignored
It's mihoyo. So we know the answer
Depends. HSR is Hoyo game yet their devs are proactive.
@@thornszkHSR is an exception to the rule, I swear their devs are even reading feedback and survey from others hoyo game too just to improve their project 😂
Honestly the Train Rescue bit should've been a defence challenge where you have to protect the residents from getting attacked by corrupted/vision mercenaries, that would've been so good!
I respect your opinion, but as one of the few people who likes the TV system, I disagree. The main reason I enjoy the TVs is, because it it's something new and the minimalistic style has it's charm. Will it stay novel forever? Probably not, but I think in terms of presentation ZZZ is one of the best gacha games on the market.
now... would I like it, if I had more uses for my gacha characters outside of small combat segments? definitely. Would love to run around the overworld as Ellen or other characters
The archives i dont think is the reason for the large size because whether a game has replayable archive or not the cutscene are still stored in the game, just being able to relpay the game doesn't increase the size.
This is Hoyoverse that you are giving feedback to. There is no chance in hell they will ever change it. If they do, it'll take 4 years.
Wuwa with 2 fat W's in the name and ZZZ like 😴, how appropriate. In all honesty tho I was excited but the combat is way too mid, missed opportunity.
I would play if they delete the tv system
The tv system reminded me of the areas/instances in final fantasy dissidia.
Grid like location and moving up down left right, moving into enemy tile initiate battle, getting items in tiles, etc.
i have the game installed but havent opened it and download the in game resources since i always see a lot of complaints. To be fair wuwa also has a lot of complaints at day 1 but they immediately do some fixes and compensated the players
Thanks for telling me I can skip the story, and review it on the video archive! I'm still at the start of Chapter 1, this'll help me burn out less on the game xd
“I don’t want to watch Tv, I want to fight!”
Not a problem but one thing i dont like is when u enter a battle is says "signal lost/error" and goes dark? Like why? That feels like something u get for a "gameover"
That confused me so much at first too I thought I did something wrong
Confused me too...
it just means the party has encountered an enemy and they are going offline to engage in battle, ig it's used in place of loading screens to give a feeling of smooth transition
@@dumplings582which doesn’t make sense cuz why would the proxy go offline when they can hide it even support them
its because you will now enter button mashing hell, and you have lost connection to your brain 💀
When I watched you streaming and you came to that TV system, I was super unimpressed and called it BS!
For the first time I getting sleepy when playing a game, it because of the tv system. So I have uninstalled it.
I appreciate smack making this video, cuz he's one of the few gacha CCs I think gives the story a real shot and discusses it as it unfolds beyond "damn that's crazy".
Seeing the TV system being a huge part of ZZZ's overall gameplay I knew this game isn't for me. I had to uninstall on the 2nd day. It's kinda sad cuz I got Rina and the shark girl and just never play the game at all.
Not that I complain but I don't want the feeling of looking at myself during the loading screen with black background and the error animation then return to TV system with everything is black again.
I genuinely like the tv system I think its super cool, but I get if people don't like it, to each their own I guess lol
Personally I disagree, I think the tv sections actually help by letting you play as YOUR character (aka the proxy)
I for one would have felt the disconnect in the story whenever they praised the main character for being so awesome at their job even tho in gameplay you only ever play as the agents. It would feel like the proxy is taking the accomplishments of the people actually doing the fighting.
With the tv sections you get to play as this navigater who plans and leads the operation and i think getting rid of that with out replacing it eith something would be a poor move.
They could just had made stages maps like in HSR where you keep and eye for chests and battle the mobs and leave the tvs for the zzz simulated universe and it would had been great
i wish the levels had more substance that’s honestly probably why there is a tv system on almost every mission.
At first I was yelling "It's their exploration system" for the first couple minutes, but after letting you cook I agree with everything you said and didn't realize how close I was to being lost too. I actually knew what we were doing in the TV but it was because the 2nd one said something in a way that was like 'oh i shouldn't be in here i gotta gtfo' and then I realized what the tv mode even was. Prior to that I was very unclear as to what was going on in the TV system.
We came for the games we like but we stay because of you, keeping playing the games you enjoy boss.
After I found out about the video archive, I just skip the story during the gameplay so I can get the TV part over with and watch everything back at the archive. It feels much more engaging that way for me, and the story made such a strong impression.
I think of the TV system as the exploration in Nikke, it doesn’t make sense there as well, story and the fights are so disconnected
Hoyo hinted on release special they will change the TV system in future patches.
Which livestream? The July4 one?
I would argue the TV's are more immersive because its a representation of what a Proxy is actually seeing and doing. You aren't technically playing the raiding party, you are playing the "guy in the chair". And that's what the TV's are meant to represent.
it's exactly as you said with the rogue like stuff, it works absolutely perfectly for the hollow zero game mode. It completely fucks up the rest of the game though. Hated it in CBT2 and still hate it now (a bit less though, since they added 2x speed)
I find it so weird that they seem to double down on the TV maps. DBZ: Dokkan battle used to be the exact same way years ago, super slow movement, long as fuck maps, and boring as hell. Overtime they doubled the speed that we go through the maps, and actually made future maps completely small and irrelevant. This was a response to players basically saying, "Maps suck ass and waste time" and the developers were like "We hear you, so fuck maps,". I find it weird that ZZZ just sort of creates it as core content. No one likes maps at all, and it was a mistake to connect it to the story so now they are left with a system that they should of known sucks based off other gacha games.
The only reason the tv system makes sense to me is because in lore the hollow is extremely difficult to navigate without the help of a proxy or carrot(I think), and the Tv hopping is how they how they went with showing how again difficult it is to explore let alone get out from cause it constantly changes like how at the beginning billy and anby were just running in circles until we found and help them out. Not sure if Smack addressed it but yeah I only realised this during the nekomata quest with the train lol.
this reminds me of warframes early story telling that isnt direct quest related. each node is a indicated reason to continue exploring the planet to lead up to each individual planets boss fight. like you start out as a exterminate mission, that leads into a spy mission where your direct reason for the spy mission is the location of the boss of the planet, sometimes a mission inbetween that, then you finish up with the boss fight at the end of that line of nodes. most players always thought of these missions as places in them self and nothing more. be it in the context of warframe it is techniclly just that, void magic mixed with eternalism is weird with it. but each node is a device to lead into continuing that worlds exploration. it took maaaaany updates later for me to realize this, and i kinda needed the eternalism concept in game to fully understand what they were doing with the context of each missions small briefing.
That train section was incredibly easy to follow even with the TV bit...
That said, I would absolutely prefer a different method of conveying, such as more comic panels to go with the voice acting in the tv sections, such as when doing the bits with the train. Another possibility would be to make use of the small playable areas per region, especially since it's clear that a lot of areas we can't move around in have been built for use in cutscenes.
I actually like it to a certain point because it is representing the MC being playable via their proxy bangboo.
You made this video, and I saw it right after I got off the game and not planning on getting back on BECAUSE of the tv system.
It could be a fun system if the tv system was focused on quick puzzles (that aren't braindead easy) and making decisions around which upgrades to pick up, paths to take, etc. But it needs to be quick and snappy. Instead they stop players in their tracks every few seconds with filler text that usually explains things that are completely obvious, then have long loading screens every time you jump in and out of combat.
Yes.
That part where we escort the people w/o letting them get hit by the train is the ONLY instance where I got more than 3 corruptions. kek