AR Wing Pro - 4S3P 18650 Li-Ion
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2020
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Note, no link to the battery as the listed specs have changed since I bought this one, they no longer list the NCR18650GA cells, but some other's that I've not heard of. :(
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Thanks for posting the whole vid too. Its great to see whats going on amps wise etc.
I really like this screen layout with you, ground control and the big fpv.
Fantastic flying, Keith! Really nice! 😃
Happy new year! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Amazing Keith! I've just looked into the AR Wing and stumbled over this video of yours. Can't believe how nice your "groundstation" has become. Imagine it's even more advanced now almost 2 years later. Also your analog video is pretty solid (but that's to be expected from you!)
thanks for the long flight, greets, Mario
Hi Mario! Yeah this is a pretty fun set up for cruising around like this. Not everyone likes the AR Pro for various reasons, but I guess that same could be said for most planes... lol I like it, though it is a little difficult to get in the air with a heavy battery like I have, until you get the hang of it. I found it easy if I throw it overhead and backwards, with two hands. You pretty much need autolaunch for that though, and have to trust it! lol Once I started throwing it like that though, it's quick and easy to get airborne and I haven't had a failed launch yet. In the air it's reasonably fast and efficient and about as smooth as a wing can be really.
@@bonafidepirate Thanks for the infos! For the first flights I wanna keep it simple and fly without FC or GPS, so no autolaunch - but also I will just use a 7000mah LiIon max - or rather my 3300mah 4cell lipos. 20-30mins are more than enough for my flights.
Currently I focus more on the flying part - then on tech heavy missions ;) I want to rule out everything that prevents me from flying more.
The only downside is the video breakup anxiety when out a bit further ;)
greets, Mario
@@Rcschim Keep in mind, the AR Pro needs some weight up front to balance on the CG. With a smaller battery, I needed either a heavy HD cam in the nose, or some dead weight there. I was flying around with a chunk of lead up front for a bit, and thought I might as well replace that with useful weight, hence the larger battery... lol
That is impressive, I am putting an FX61 up with my first Matek/Inav setup, but I am going to order a Pro and maybe run Ions for the first time.
Thanks for posting the whole vid too. Its great to see whats going on amps wise etc.
That FX61 is one air frame that I always liked, but never ended up getting... lol I think they make some nice FPV wings!
Very nice. So stable and low consumption
beautifull and warm weather assuming you recorded it in december ...
interesting how relaxed and fluently you can talk while flying and discuss ever more complex topics.
Very efficient plane and battery so far even though you had said these were the cheaper 18650 cells.
My AR wing has arrived and the TX16S too with the tbs crossfire ... and matek 405 is already there. But I have a DJI airunit - but the one for the dji goggles racing edition that can handle both, analog and digital fpv.
But you can forget all that cause one piece is missing: no nice weather front that would make someone happe to fly.
Love the set up, was thinking about purchasing the AR Wing. I subscribed mate 👍awesome channel.
I have used Ardupilot in the past to set up a "battery test course". It involves setting up a 3 way point mission, each waypoint beiing the vertex of an equal sided triangle. Then use the do jump command to have the plane repeat the course many times. If you locate the course so your ground station is near the mid point of one side of the triangle you remain in relatively close proximity to the aircraft so you can easily land when the batteries get low. The three sided course also helps to negate the affects of wind so you can repeat the testing with a different brand or type of battery for comparison. When I ran my testing with ardupilot controlling the plane I was surprised that lap times for a given test session were within a very small number of seconds of each other. Also, for variety I had the plane increase altitude for one leg, decrease altitude for the second leg and fly level on the third leg. Maybe not as much fun to fly but it takes the pilot out of the equation for a more automated test.
Nice results! I made a MyTwinDream airplane and also measured the maximum flight time, it was also about 5 amps of cruise current, but on 6s. Im use the 6s2p battery 18650 3ah on cell. Flew of one hour
Hello good morning, it would be too much to ask for an image of how this 4s3p pack is manufactured since I can't find a way to do it for a correct CG. thanks
hi - looks great - would you mind expanding on what you are using for 1.3ghz video and also what the antenna length you chose on the dragonlink - 90cm or 60 cm to fit this AR PRO setup? thanks!
what receivers/ diversity controller do you use? id love to see a video showing your setup!
I just got this wing going with Adruplane! Im using ZOHD 4s1p 21700 5000mah pack. Coming from the vector to Adruplane is for sure a learning curve!
Yeah, I had to focus on just Arduplane for a bit to really start understanding it, it's a steep curve for sure but it pays off just as much. I don't regret diving in, just wish I had done it earlier! lol I do hate to see the Vector go, I wish they had put more into developing it, not that it needed improvements but it was already so good, they could have made something amazing with a V2 I think! I'll keep flying the ones I have, but getting into AP, I'm good for the future... lol
Nice flight. I switch all my Caddx Ratel camera's to "color". In the dark there is no black white smearing anymore. And better night performance.
Definitely, you can see way better in color mode at night these new 1/2-in sensors are great, black and white mode is terrible you can't see any detail or depth.
Hi Keith thanks for your time and effort i have a ar wing pro that i planned to run with 18650 lion battery i would like to set the cut off voltage in the sonic modell 40 amp esc but i cant find the manual i think its a freewing esc thanks
hello please i need help. I have the latest version of ardupilot on a Matek 405 wing with a buzzer that has a built-in battery and the three connection cables, but I can't get it to work, it only beeps when the board has no power, I have it set to Channel 8 and if I put it on the plate instead buzzer does not beep, and if I put it on servo output 8 it beeps all the time. What am I doing wrong?
I build my own 18650 packs for my ar wing pro and would love to see pictures of how batteries are laid out. I'm not sure how to configure so that hatch will close. Thanks in advance and for all your video's
What motor and prop are you using for this setup? Really efficient
Hello!!! How do you fly your wing from inside house???very nice
Ok what version of the ratel is that and what settings were you running? the video quality looks so nice on that camera.
Would that pack fit in the dart xl?
where did you put extra lead to get CG?
Just watched this again on the T.V ---- making me want to dust some gear off. It's been years since I've been up. Sentry
Do it! You know you want to... lol
13.5V cell voltage. There is plenty left. It could even fly fur 30-40min more. Nice test! In Germany it's too clod right now to fly more than 15min in a row :(
Same here in Holland... Darn cold...
Time to build a heated trailer... ☃️
@@SonAndDadFPV Indeed! Belgium is just as cold i guess! 😉
Yeah even with less than the rated capacity, these will certainly deliver longer flights than I need... lol I don't see myself flying to the limits of this battery very often. Our weather seems like it changes every day! lol Summer one day, winter the next. We've got "severe" weather potential tomorrow, today it's just rainy and windy, but still warm. This time if year is too unpredictable to plan any flights, just have to kind of be ready when the opportunity comes up! lol
last week -30c , yesterday +6c during the day and rain , -21c and wind by 430pm
The ESC cuts out at 3.2v. I’ve set mine to the lowest at 2,8v.
BTW, What is your auw with that 4s3p pack? Mine doesn't seem that efficient with that pack at 1380gr. Is it the stock prop i’m using? 🤔
I didn't weigh it with this pack, it's only slightly heavier than with the 5200 Lipo. I was able to remove most of the lead weight from the nose after putting this battery in. I did see a little bit if improvement after changing to this prop, but not a huge one. I need to adjust the LVC before I push the battery on some longer flights. All I did was enable the brake... lol
Very nice flight and groud set up.
Please, witch infra-red camera do you use to make this night flight possible ?
This one used here is a Caddx Ratel (linked in description) and I think it's one of the best all-around cameras you can get in the same price range. If you want the very best night flying cameras, look at the Runcam Night Eagle series. I've flown the Night Eagle Pro 2, but there's a newer V3 out now as well. The V2 is just black and white, the V3 can do color in the day time. Here's my video with the V2 - ua-cam.com/video/5Rqgn0WI1uo/v-deo.html
@@bonafidepirate Thankyou to share your experience.
nice video as usual.
Thanks!
Do you have antenna tracking installed on the roof of your house or something? I wanna sit in my house and fly long range it would be nice to mount an antenna tracker on the really tall pine tree in my front yard.
No tracker (never used one), just two antennas mounted on a tripod outside, two receivers running through an Eagle Eyes for diversity. Even that is probably not needed, most of my flying could be done on one receiver, but I have it so I use it... lol
I am enjoying watching this wing and looking to get one when the new power system comes with it so thanks for the flight tests. I was wondering though I also have dragonlink but have been changing over to Crossfire do you trust Dragonlink more or is there another reason you don't use it? It's just smaller and imo gives way more info back. Really going to miss my Vector now i have to learn a new system all over Sigh
Personally, I think the only advantage Crossfire has over Dragonlink for a flight like this, is lower cost receivers. Not long ago I would have said the more "user friendly" 900MHz too, but this is DL's new 900MHz system. ;) I like all the features that Dragonlink has geared more toward fixed wing, tons of options to map things in the inputs and outputs, full featured and full range serial "modem" over the same UHF link, and a 1W radio in the receiver so you get full telemetry at max range. The Crossfire is really built around quads, and I think it's the best system in the world for that, they do it right. I think the same of Dragonlink for fixed wing though. ;)
@@bonafidepirate Ill have to look into this new DL it might peak my interest in them again. I fly both more so quads than fixed wings as winter sucks here so I wanted something that just plugs into the back of the TX and can do both. I started with Dl and would love to use them again in my fixed wings for the reasons you said but I hate the bulky box on the back. I though the CrossFire would do the same job but I haven't finished building my long range wing yet to know. I thought the FC like "Vector" does the telemetry not DL? or did something change I am unaware of? Thanks for responding and great content.
Did you have to put any weight up front to run this battery?
hey man i have a dart 250 g with kopilot and the piggy back vtx i cano get the darn thing to fly pease help
What is the best: binary or Ar pro wing?
Hi, Keith. What is the propeller you are using with this motor? Thanks
APC 7x6E
Did you have to put any weight up front to balance with this battery? I have the same battery and mine seems to balance just fine with no weight in the nose
I'm not certain about this one. I know I had some weight up front where the HD camera goes when I flew with a different lighter battery (5200 4S Lipo), but I removed some, if not all of that weight to use this battery.
You've got that launch down
I still don't like launching wings, this one is super easy using auto takeoff, it would be a bit more sketchy for me without it. lol I prefer launching traditional planes with fuselages overhead though, which is hard to do with this one.
What is your record longest flight time and flight distance?
Super flight ! PLEASE MORE INFORMATION about your set up. Some fotos of model? not just flight. Many peoples interesting in details. motor and prop? How to setup everithing with ground station. THANKS!
Check the playlist for the AR Pro on my channel, there's likely WAY more info than you care to see throughout the list of videos, but the one previous to this one is a detailed "walkaround" showing all the gear in the wing and how it's set up.
What video link/frequency were you using?
1280mhz
great flight my friend but you need a air speed sensor that 5 amps will drop down to like 3 amps cruise you will be blown away and your battery will love you trust me
Why is that? A 3amp cruise will slow you down so why bother with a $100 sensor?
Hy, what motor are you using? Thanks
It's the stock motor that comes with the PNP, a Sunnysky 2216-1400KV if I remember right
I'm jealous. I'm having a hard time flying my Ar900 with the f-405 flight controller. I can get it launched but it gets weird after that and ends in a crash lol
you and me both lol. goes up ok then wobbles likr mad and no control then crash.
Cut back on the throws of the servo horn
Dang, DPCAV closed. One of the first places I ever bought gear from, I'm sure I'd heard about them from Keith. Bummer.
I enjoyed that...Great job . What is the weight of that battery?
I made one, it’s 604gr.
I forget what the actual number was, but specs say 608g which wasn't far off. I already had some lead in the front of the AR Pro in the "extra" camera bay intended for HD cams, I was able to removed most of that and replace it with this slightly heavier battery instead. Useful load is better than dead weight! lol
@@bonafidepirate Haha! Same story here! 👍🏼
Do you cruise at half throttle ????
It's closer to ~38% throttle at cruise. The value in the lower right corner of the OSD is throttle percent, just above the wind speed and direction.
Keith, I'm having 2 issues with configuration in mission planner, and wondered if you could give me a bit of assistance??
If so, may I send you my 2 questions via email?
Hi Keith, amazing results you're getting, I use a ZOHD Lionpack 7000mAh on my AR Wing Pro but only after 22 minutes the voltage drops below 14 volts, while I have only used 2900mAh. Can't wait to see how far you can push your battery. Maybe a nice idea for the future to see the autolanding of your AR Wing pro :) Keep up the good work!
Hey, I realize you made this comment quite a while ago but li-ion packs are made to discharge to much lower voltages than your typical lipo pouch cells. Many manufacturers claim end of discharge to be as low as 2.5V per cell. However, when flying 3V per cell is a much safer voltage to shoot for. So according to the datasheet of the cells in that battery at 14V (3.5V per cell) you've not even drained a third of the battery. Try draining it to about 12V and you should get a much longer flight time without damaging your battery at all.
Hope you can get some use of this information despite it's tardiness.
@@oliverer3 Thanks for the answer, no matter the time it took to respond. I already figured it out myself a long time ago after reading the specs from the cells and experimenting with them. I now can easily fly more than 70 minutes on the pack, but I never used it below 3V per cell like you recommended.
you can go all the way down to 2.5v per cell for li ion, thats why you dont get the full capacity
Do note that going to 2.5V per cell under heavy load is not good for the longevity of the cells.
Openly admitted wearing shorts and 70F degrees, that's it, I'm unsubscribed, I warned you....lol...Here it gets dark about 3:30 pm...🤔🤔🤔🇬🇧🇬🇧🙄🙄🙄
Enjoyed the flight M8, very relaxing...👍👍
lol If it helps, it's been windy since that day, rainy today, and potential for "severe" weather tomorrow... lol Seems like a different season every day!
@@bonafidepirate Thank you, yes it does help a bit....lol... COVID crap and bad weather, plus Cabin Fever...Please don't appear in shorts again until at least April....lol...😀😀🇬🇧🇬🇧
Are you on Discord?
Yes, we have a small community there, not very active but it's there... lol discord.com/channels/639112200732147713
Ok. I will try to connect to you