@dicax ah yes one of these dumbasses that talks shit because not eceryone thinks his way and knows nothing of what he says, firstly wether you believe or not it is extremely disrespectful to bash on people for their beliefs, might as well be racist. secondly if you wish to know more than I'll explain from my Roman Catholic belief in a way that will make sense: god said that he wasnt gonna interfere with earth and just let things play out, the earth isnt a puppet that god controls, people can choose to be good or bad, he lets bad things happen, people stop believing (like he said would happen) and that shows how people give up easily. God doesnt get rid of the devil because he isn't like people that hate on things, he just sent him out.
This was a fantastic video and deserves way more views. This channel is definitely doing the right things. You guys make it easy to bridge the gap from being just an auto enthusiast to an actually knowledgeable auto geek.
This was best video I have ever seen on suspension set up it really takes car enthusiasts and turns them into knowledgeable car fans. Great job guys keep up the good work awesome. I really learnt alot from this video
There's a wealth of knowledge in this video. Seriously thank you for taking the time to do this, can't explain how much it helps to have somewhat of a rule book when trying to figure out a good setup. This page deserves so much more attention.
Thank you Wyatt and team O'Neill for this Video! SUPER MEGA HELPFUL VIDEO Lets hope now I have more knowledge to setup my cars in RBR, and possibly real life some day. Cheers
You guys inspired us to get into tuning our crosskart. All of you're videos have been a great lesson for us. Shout out for the whole team! Unfortunetly we live in Belgium and can not pick up a lesson at the school itself. But these video's allready have been a great help.
i feel like the vids on the channel like this are such a god-tier resource for people, and that maybe the car control eps and these types of eps should be mandatory viewing for anyone remotely interested in high performance driving or sim racing. i recommend them to so many people, they are so helpful ESPECIALLY for ppl just getting into this kind of stuff where it's like the holy grail of info.
You hit every nail on the head for so many situations! Lol make it adjustable comment never been more true. I am recommending this video in so many other channel's video comments section so I don't need a chapter to help out when people ask about what mods to do. Can't wait to get myself to your school to learn how to drive my cars faster and more importantly safer when I'm driving faster.
The detailing for the use of camber according to the terrain made me think how and what for the double wishbone suspensions work..! Love the content!! 13/10
in 15mins this answered like 25 questions already i was wonderin about,very well and simply explained for a non race car backround car guys tryin to build somethin decent
This combined with a handling/suspension tuning book, is perfect. I've wanted to complete my full suspension build for years but always had to put finances first. Maybe 2022 is the year I make the changes? I originally wanted a RallyX setup but I think a track setup with rough roads might be the better choice. The spring rates would be for smooth surfaces. This lets me have higher spring rates and therefore can keep my car low enough without bottoming out. I'm glad he mentioned a 1.5x increase in spring rates from factory. Very good advice for a starting point.
I was really happy to find I was doing the right stuff to my car under just pure suspension. This just cleared up my feelings and what I experienced when twicked cars but now I want to take a class on suspension geometry.... gonna have to add a class to my list now.
Just rebuild the whole back end of my wrx wagon, will defiantly be referring to this vid when sorting out the rear suspension. Thanks for your time and effort in this video! To the point and clear
Thank you for the AMAZING vid and thorough instruction!!! This helps Immensely!!! I just purchased my first set of coilovers and can’t wait to test everything at my next track day!!!
Excellent demonstration. Screenshot taken. I have a rally car RWD overpowered engine with a light butt that wants to oversteer way too easy. I will be trying these options thanks.
Great video, thank you for including high speed and low speed! My KWs came with a guide that has one sentence to describe high and low speed compression so I never really understood how to set them up and was going to set them up as I would for a single adjustable compression but now I’ve made an excel sheet which copies your chart that gives me a guide to bring to track!
I LOVE these videos, I live in NH and have always wanted to spend a weekend at your school but unfortunately its a little out of my price range. I know these videos don't replace or compare to going to rally school but its the closest I can get and they're so informative and professional. Keep up the great work guys!
This has been the most informative and useful video regarding suspension setup on a track car I've seen. Thank you so much for making this. This has helped my understanding greatly.
Thank you so much. This is exactly what I wanted to understand what I need to do. Good that I had the right idea at least. Just nice to have the confirmation
Wish this video was around when i started playing DiRT Rally... All of these settings are in the game, and i wasn't sure what half of them did exactly, so my setup was almost always out of whack.
This is an amazing resource!! I hope I can visit your school one day! As to video suggestions, maybe some overviews of setting up a car's engine and powertrain for rally specifically and/or track use. Such as a general overview of what you need to build a basic/budget rally car. Keep up the good work, and I'll be sharing this with my buddies! -Cody
An advice I found on dampers from sim racers (rFactor 1 if I recall correctly)(sic): " There's basically four kinds of "bouncing": * One is where the damper are set too soft so that the springs start to oscillate. * The second is where the springrate is set too low and the car starts to bottom out either hitting the ground or hitting the limits of suspension travel. * The third bounce is where the springs and dampers are set too tight and the car start to hover over bumbs. * Fourth is when the car is transferring so much weight on front tires that the other tires start to lose their grip. This phenomenon is accentuated if the bounce happens only in the initial turning phase just before the apex when the load on the outside front tire is greatest. Inside wheels start to loose grip because of unloading, all the weight and need for grip is transferred to the outside wheel, the laws of physics steps in and the outside tire starts to slip; it looses grip, weight is transferred back to inside wheels, they loose grip and so on, the car starts twitching and skipping. Too low/high antiroll bar is the case combined with poor suspension settings. Rarest of them all since it needs a lot of variables combined for it to happen. It also feels mostly like twitching and sliding not bouncing. Also any combination of too tight springs on the rear/too soft on front combined with too tight rebound on rear/too soft bound on front, ie any kind extreme unbalance causes unpredictable behavior. Finding out what is the cause is not always easy... Experimentation and experience is the only key. Telemetry analyze with MoTec can help if you're able to read the info correctly. Bottoming is easiest to find, if you start to tighten the springs one click at a time the problem should go away. Oscillation can be found on the straights, if the car bounces a lot after it hits the bumb, tighten dampers. Hovering feels mostly like lo-grip conditions. EDIT: Oh yeah, one tip i got from a real life racer: if the car spins from the curbs (too high fast damping), lower rebound settings, both fast and slow. From my experience, start with the rear fast rebound. " Opinions appreciated
LOL MAN I was looking for a real tips in the commentary section for street setup(not too tight but still well for cutting street city apexes with bumps) Anyway this feels you got some insight to it.
When it comes to handling I feel like the whole "softer in the front, harder in the rear" if it's understeering and "harder in the front, softer in the rear" if it's oversteering, are some good general rules but can be a little misleading. IMO it's best to think about what the dampers are doing, when, and what you want to happen. If I am understeering too much while decreasing the brake and increasing the steering (corner entry trail braking), the inside front of the car would be in Rebound while the outside rear would be in Bump. To get more oversteer then, it would make sense to decrease the front low-speed Rebound and increase the rear low-speed Bump (leaving the front low-speed Bump and rear low-speed Rebound alone), but that's really it or I'm going to risk affecting the handling in other parts of the corner. Other than that it's kinda trial and error because what you thought was happening might have not been what was happening at all.
RCVD is a great primer to the nitty gritty of how this works as well, though much more intense. Excellent way to understand how everything comes together though. Chapter 2 - Tire Behavior alone is insane to go through.
Liked the soup analogy, lol I took 4 pages of notes on this video to get the information in my head, and also as a point of reference. Very good video!
Great Basic advice explain in a way easy to understand. Brilliant Job. I loosing my way with multi adjustable suspensions and stuff now - but reminded me to keep simple! :) MANY THANKS
I'll be that guy to say that vintage GP cars like 20's and 30's bugatti and alfas used positive camber. I don't really remember why but they did (something to do with the thin tires and steering response). Anyway, incredibly educational video, thank you for sharing!
Positive camber (in very moderate amounts) is only really used on rally raid trucks to compensate a bit for the significantly higher loads on the suspension. Doesn't have much use on "regular" rally cars that I'm aware off.
It took me like 10 videos to find someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. How about more on compression vs damping. Would really appreciate that. And I’m thinking of a motorcycle. 🙏
@@ddd228 tarmac track handling was good but on dirt the handling was poor. Tail out problem, due to light weight 20% time right two tyres or left two tyres are in the air, changing the handling with the help of brakes and rear drop should help. As it is front wheel drive.
Great job. A small correction though. You can't reduce the weight transfer by stiffening the suspensions. The weight transfer is exactly the same whether you have stiff or soft suspension settings. In other words, the body rolls because of weight transfer, but the weight transfer itself is not caused by the body roll. Cheers.
Caster is related to the steering axis, not to the suspension. Karts use caster and inclination to unload the inner wheel of the (rigid) rear axle. Positive camber was used in old cars where the suspension didn‘t work camber-neutral (Mercedes W154 was one of the first with a camber-neutral rear suspension). It might have helped with the steering forces as well...
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6 years later.. this is still the best car setup video out there!
"Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down"
WOW
You guys are doing the lord's work.
@dicax ah yes one of these dumbasses that talks shit because not eceryone thinks his way and knows nothing of what he says, firstly wether you believe or not it is extremely disrespectful to bash on people for their beliefs, might as well be racist. secondly if you wish to know more than I'll explain from my Roman Catholic belief in a way that will make sense: god said that he wasnt gonna interfere with earth and just let things play out, the earth isnt a puppet that god controls, people can choose to be good or bad, he lets bad things happen, people stop believing (like he said would happen) and that shows how people give up easily. God doesnt get rid of the devil because he isn't like people that hate on things, he just sent him out.
@@Lonestar_racer lol damn, hope you having better day a year later 🤭🤭😂🤣
This was a fantastic video and deserves way more views. This channel is definitely doing the right things. You guys make it easy to bridge the gap from being just an auto enthusiast to an actually knowledgeable auto geek.
Thanks Nicholas!
Agree 100%
This was best video I have ever seen on suspension set up it really takes car enthusiasts and turns them into knowledgeable car fans. Great job guys keep up the good work awesome. I really learnt alot from this video
This is so good and valuable - I can't believe I'm watching it for free. Wish you guys endless queue of students to your school. Thank you!
Love this channel. No clickbait, just great content with very well spoken teachers. I hope I can make the trip up to Team O'neal someday.
This is the best video on suspension I've seen
This is hands down the best description/explanation of tuning methodology for damper compression/extension I've ever seen. Grazie!
Don’t think I’ve found many videos at all that talk about these adjustments. Been looking for videos about general under/oversteer guides. Thanks!
It's all about spring rates and sway bars, mostly.
There's a wealth of knowledge in this video. Seriously thank you for taking the time to do this, can't explain how much it helps to have somewhat of a rule book when trying to figure out a good setup. This page deserves so much more attention.
Thank you Wyatt and team O'Neill for this Video!
SUPER MEGA HELPFUL VIDEO
Lets hope now I have more knowledge to setup my cars in RBR, and possibly real life some day.
Cheers
You guys inspired us to get into tuning our crosskart. All of you're videos have been a great lesson for us. Shout out for the whole team! Unfortunetly we live in Belgium and can not pick up a lesson at the school itself. But these video's allready have been a great help.
This was an extremely informative video. Thank you. I don't even own a car, but I am probably going to use this for DiRT Rally. :)
same here !!
Exactly who watched. And best set up videophone we found yet.
Man I’m hoping this applies in the simulation for Dirt Rally 2
You guys are awesome, simple info and not being shy to get it out there
i feel like the vids on the channel like this are such a god-tier resource for people, and that maybe the car control eps and these types of eps should be mandatory viewing for anyone remotely interested in high performance driving or sim racing. i recommend them to so many people, they are so helpful ESPECIALLY for ppl just getting into this kind of stuff where it's like the holy grail of info.
I know almost nothing about this stuff. But just watching this dude, I can tell HE does. He's not just bullshiting.
You hit every nail on the head for so many situations! Lol make it adjustable comment never been more true. I am recommending this video in so many other channel's video comments section so I don't need a chapter to help out when people ask about what mods to do. Can't wait to get myself to your school to learn how to drive my cars faster and more importantly safer when I'm driving faster.
6 years later still kicking.. Gonna be rewriting that whiteboard and stick it somewhere 😅 thanks 💪🏽💪🏽
Went to like the video, saw only 5 dislikes. Interested. Tired of BS from other youtubers. Good work.
I've been around racing all my life and I knew most of this, but this is the best short explanation I've ever seen. Well done.
The detailing for the use of camber according to the terrain made me think how and what for the double wishbone suspensions work..! Love the content!! 13/10
Идеально разложил по полочкам! Столько полезной информации за 30 мин я ещё никогда не получал.
Great video! I'm surprised there isn't much views for it. This is right up there with Engineering explained.
in 15mins this answered like 25 questions already i was wonderin about,very well and simply explained for a non race car backround car guys tryin to build somethin decent
This combined with a handling/suspension tuning book, is perfect. I've wanted to complete my full suspension build for years but always had to put finances first. Maybe 2022 is the year I make the changes? I originally wanted a RallyX setup but I think a track setup with rough roads might be the better choice. The spring rates would be for smooth surfaces. This lets me have higher spring rates and therefore can keep my car low enough without bottoming out. I'm glad he mentioned a 1.5x increase in spring rates from factory. Very good advice for a starting point.
I was really happy to find I was doing the right stuff to my car under just pure suspension. This just cleared up my feelings and what I experienced when twicked cars but now I want to take a class on suspension geometry.... gonna have to add a class to my list now.
Just rebuild the whole back end of my wrx wagon, will defiantly be referring to this vid when sorting out the rear suspension. Thanks for your time and effort in this video! To the point and clear
Thank you for the AMAZING vid and thorough instruction!!! This helps Immensely!!! I just purchased my first set of coilovers and can’t wait to test everything at my next track day!!!
Excellent demonstration. Screenshot taken. I have a rally car RWD overpowered engine with a light butt that wants to oversteer way too easy. I will be trying these options thanks.
Wow! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Great video! You just saved me a lot of time dialing in my first all purpose car. Thank you.
Dude you are the Chris Harris the world deserves but has not yet discovered! Love this video and channel!
By far the best explanation on setup I've found to date. Thanks for sharing!
Good video, I knew most of it but the order makes this a valuable tuning tool. They are right, this should have more views!
Great video, thank you for including high speed and low speed! My KWs came with a guide that has one sentence to describe high and low speed compression so I never really understood how to set them up and was going to set them up as I would for a single adjustable compression but now I’ve made an excel sheet which copies your chart that gives me a guide to bring to track!
Beeest guideline of all yt! On point explanation, funny, down to earth and simple for use! 👏👏👏
Fantastic explanation!
You just managed to simplify what seemed to me like the most complex subject all my life.
Thank you.🙏🏽
I LOVE these videos, I live in NH and have always wanted to spend a weekend at your school but unfortunately its a little out of my price range. I know these videos don't replace or compare to going to rally school but its the closest I can get and they're so informative and professional. Keep up the great work guys!
I took the screenshot but watched your explanation over and over. This is just gold👌 best video from you guys so far. Thank yoi
I was able to calm down to the point that I could visualize the dynamic suspension. I have seen the light! Thank you!
This has been the most informative and useful video regarding suspension setup on a track car I've seen. Thank you so much for making this. This has helped my understanding greatly.
Remarkable synthesis. It will help me to drive sim racing on RBR Rallysimfans. Thanks a lot.
Thank you so much. This is exactly what I wanted to understand what I need to do. Good that I had the right idea at least. Just nice to have the confirmation
Wish this video was around when i started playing DiRT Rally... All of these settings are in the game, and i wasn't sure what half of them did exactly, so my setup was almost always out of whack.
This is an amazing resource!! I hope I can visit your school one day! As to video suggestions, maybe some overviews of setting up a car's engine and powertrain for rally specifically and/or track use. Such as a general overview of what you need to build a basic/budget rally car. Keep up the good work, and I'll be sharing this with my buddies! -Cody
I playing now Rally Dirt game, just found this video very helpful for adjust my "car"
An advice I found on dampers from sim racers (rFactor 1 if I recall correctly)(sic):
"
There's basically four kinds of "bouncing":
* One is where the damper are set too soft so that the springs start to oscillate.
* The second is where the springrate is set too low and the car starts to bottom out
either hitting the ground or hitting the limits of suspension travel.
* The third bounce is where the springs and dampers are set too tight and the car start to hover over bumbs.
* Fourth is when the car is transferring so much weight on front tires that the other tires
start to lose their grip. This phenomenon is accentuated if the bounce happens
only in the initial turning phase just before the apex when the load on the outside front tire is greatest.
Inside wheels start to loose grip because of unloading, all the weight and need for grip
is transferred to the outside wheel, the laws of physics steps in and the outside tire starts to slip;
it looses grip, weight is transferred back to inside wheels, they loose grip and so on,
the car starts twitching and skipping. Too low/high antiroll bar is the case combined with poor suspension settings.
Rarest of them all since it needs a lot of variables combined for it to happen.
It also feels mostly like twitching and sliding not bouncing.
Also any combination of too tight springs on the rear/too soft on front combined with
too tight rebound on rear/too soft bound on front, ie any kind extreme unbalance causes unpredictable behavior.
Finding out what is the cause is not always easy... Experimentation and experience is the only key.
Telemetry analyze with MoTec can help if you're able to read the info correctly.
Bottoming is easiest to find, if you start to tighten the springs one click at a time the problem should go away.
Oscillation can be found on the straights, if the car bounces a lot after it hits the bumb, tighten dampers.
Hovering feels mostly like lo-grip conditions.
EDIT: Oh yeah, one tip i got from a real life racer:
if the car spins from the curbs (too high fast damping), lower rebound settings, both fast and slow.
From my experience, start with the rear fast rebound.
"
Opinions appreciated
LOL MAN
I was looking for a real tips in the commentary section for street setup(not too tight but still well for cutting street city apexes with bumps)
Anyway this feels you got some insight to it.
When it comes to handling I feel like the whole "softer in the front, harder in the rear" if it's understeering and "harder in the front, softer in the rear" if it's oversteering, are some good general rules but can be a little misleading. IMO it's best to think about what the dampers are doing, when, and what you want to happen.
If I am understeering too much while decreasing the brake and increasing the steering (corner entry trail braking), the inside front of the car would be in Rebound while the outside rear would be in Bump. To get more oversteer then, it would make sense to decrease the front low-speed Rebound and increase the rear low-speed Bump (leaving the front low-speed Bump and rear low-speed Rebound alone), but that's really it or I'm going to risk affecting the handling in other parts of the corner. Other than that it's kinda trial and error because what you thought was happening might have not been what was happening at all.
Finding this in 2021. Wyatt is the man. Thanks for this
Thanks guys! The video really helps alot on high speed & low speed Compression/Rebound. Simple & easy to understand
Fantastic explanations. Great knowledge and energy. Loved it. Thanks
Wow! what an amazing video. so many questions answered!
@Team O'Neil awesome instructional vid. you're a great teacher. wish i knew this before my 1st track event
Best explanation I ever came across, brilliant stuff.
Easily one of your best videos. Super dense and useful information.
Wow, sick! I didn't think you guys were going to actually do it, thanks!
Superb explanation of car setup even for people unfamiliar with racing stuff.
Excellent - well put together in a simplified form. Thank you!
Supreme video, thank you for the explanation of quality and easy-understanding.
- A random DH biker.
RCVD is a great primer to the nitty gritty of how this works as well, though much more intense. Excellent way to understand how everything comes together though. Chapter 2 - Tire Behavior alone is insane to go through.
You guys are fantastic. Very good at explaining things as they truly use at real life, not that tech teorethical analisis. Thanks for this.
Liked the soup analogy, lol
I took 4 pages of notes on this video to get the information in my head, and also as a point of reference. Very good video!
Since I've been playing carx rally, I've been looking for videos on suspension adjustments, and I found this one
WOW! super helpful! Thanks. looking forward to the 5 day rally school next month :)
We look forward to seeing you here!
Cool now i know how to setup my Evo VI for that god awful Argentina stage in Dirt Rally 2.0 ;)
i love argentina
Should I get 2.0 if I never play 1.0?
@@bldsprt518 yes
I was just looking for a crash course like this one and this was so helpful and straight to the point!
Thanks a lot!
Great Basic advice explain in a way easy to understand. Brilliant Job. I loosing my way with multi adjustable suspensions and stuff now - but reminded me to keep simple! :) MANY THANKS
Thanks so much for this .. certainly will help my sim racing. Really appreciate this. 💯
I'll be that guy to say that vintage GP cars like 20's and 30's bugatti and alfas used positive camber. I don't really remember why but they did (something to do with the thin tires and steering response). Anyway, incredibly educational video, thank you for sharing!
Happiest 30 minutes of my life
Very informative video. Thank you for taking the time to share this
This is a damn excellent video and you are greatly appreciated, man
best video on suspension setup that i've found. thank you!
Positive camber (in very moderate amounts) is only really used on rally raid trucks to compensate a bit for the significantly higher loads on the suspension.
Doesn't have much use on "regular" rally cars that I'm aware off.
Great explanation and chart, straight to the point. Thanks
Very informative. Thanks for the post. Especially rebound...I had the settings reversed, thanks for clarifying that.
Great info. You are awesome 😉👍 all what you say works😁 thanks , hope you will continue to share you knowledge
Thanks for dropping all of this knowledge🤯
Excellent video... the best I've seen in this topic actually. Could you do one for diffs (including AWD) please?
yeah this most definitely. I don't know what it is but somehow you guys can make this stuff more understandable for me. Thank you so much!
Its video change my life. Thank you very much!
I LOVE THIS VIDEO 🙏 Thank You for blessing me with this knowledge 👏
Thank you. Best technical video ever.
never thought tuning cars for fiveM would bring me here ahah ! Great video very informative !
Glad you enjoyed!
It took me like 10 videos to find someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. How about more on compression vs damping. Would really appreciate that. And I’m thinking of a motorcycle. 🙏
This is great information man thank you so much I’m looking for my note book 📖 right now 👍🏾👌🏽
You just solved my biggest problem. Thanks man. Sure gonna apply these in my coming racing championships.
What was the problem?
@@ddd228 tarmac track handling was good but on dirt the handling was poor. Tail out problem, due to light weight 20% time right two tyres or left two tyres are in the air, changing the handling with the help of brakes and rear drop should help. As it is front wheel drive.
Great job. A small correction though. You can't reduce the weight transfer by stiffening the suspensions. The weight transfer is exactly the same whether you have stiff or soft suspension settings. In other words, the body rolls because of weight transfer, but the weight transfer itself is not caused by the body roll. Cheers.
Best video on suspension setup 👌
very nicely explained,thanks for the great contribution
This is an awesome video. Thank you so much for making it!
I love rallying. So I subscribed to learn more.
That was the most extensive and clear explanation I've ever watched! Thank you so much guys! :)
Excellant set up training. Very good video. Please send more for my super late model. Howe offset.
Wish i was in America to visit you guys:) amazing people and beautiful rally school!! Well done
does the setting change on fwd rwd or awd car
Best video, yet! Keep \em comin'!
Great video explains everything without being confusing. Would be very easy to get bogged down if you were not such a good teacher. Thanks.
This videos are wonderful and really helpful, thanks for the hard work!
This knowledge is worth a lot, thanks for sharing.
Caster is related to the steering axis, not to the suspension. Karts use caster and inclination to unload the inner wheel of the (rigid) rear axle.
Positive camber was used in old cars where the suspension didn‘t work camber-neutral (Mercedes W154 was one of the first with a camber-neutral rear suspension). It might have helped with the steering forces as well...
still the best racing video ever
Awesome video! Thank you very much for this.