There's something absolutely magical about the sound of those Strymon pedals. To my ears, this one's not even close. The Mooer is a quite capable reverb, surprisingly so in fact, but the Strymon is just amazing...
In the Shimverb's defense, a lot of my gear choice comes down to budget in the end. I think the Shimverb sounds okay and would probably be sufficient for all but fulltime professional guitarists.
There's an obvious point were the Strymon leaves the Mooer behind, but hey-oh, Two more dials, One more toggle, One extra switch and stereo ins & outs, not to mentions a stack of dosh more. Bang for buck has to be Mooer because it's smaller, cheaper, easier to use and still covers off the most important aspects of what most guitarist need this effect for.
The actual "reverbs" at play here aren't terribly far apart (sans a few funky artifacts in the Mooers shimmer). But the Strymon is absolutely miles ahead in preserving the actual guitar tone.
So I bought the Shimverb years ago after recording a record where we used mainly the Bluesky. I wanted to replicate That shimmer effect. In all honesty, I use the Shimverb all the time. Love it actually. Live it holds up. There's a certain character to it. I think a lot of people get a bit caught up on the fact that the price difference is so drastic. By all means this doesn't mean that the Mooer isnt as good as the Bigsky.
'David' hasnt done too bad until now. But the BlueSky is one of, if not the, best all around reverb pedals of all time. Also, they definitely have the correct man for this job. Clean, full, and beautiful playing as always Pete.
+giggs102 to that end I usually scroll down the page and read some comments (some of them are quite entertaining, you know) and that gives me the opportunity to listen without bias or prejudice. the downside is then I don't know which pedal is on.
@@JulioJustiniano build quality and sound quality are both important, one can't really be demoed in a video like this. If the mooer breaks within a year and the bluesky is still going after 5 years then it's obvious where the price difference is.
I really like all of the new segments to the Andertons channel, those moaning aren't forced to watch are they? Whereby if the content wasn't available those interested would be missing out. Pete has been great in all the videos I've seen so far. Great player.
I feel like I've been guilty of ignoring reverb pedals. I always thought they were kind of pointless and that reverb wasn't really a desired effect. I just purchased my first reverb pedal last week and I absolutely love it. Both of these are great too but I think I'll go with the Blue Sky because of the extra options. Great video!!!
This is such a great segment imo. I like seeing the contrast. Different prices and qualities but that doesn't mean the cheaper does have its own character and it doesn't mean the more expensive will fit everyone's taste. This channel really came around quality wise captain.
The problem with the Mooer Shimmer is that it shimmers in 5ths and not in octaves. Whilst it can work really well for some things, octave shimmer is just so much more useful.
hi,.jushwing,. which cheap reverb pedal ,as the shimverb here,. would you,. or anyone who reads this,. recommend that does shimmer in octaves? thanxs..
@@alejandrolerman This fx should be always in 8ths, octaves. This reverb (Mooer) is great but the shimmer is trash. If you look for a cheap and small pedal this could be the one, but there are others with same size and as good as this one or much better with other sets and not this garbage shimmer.
Love the "David vs Goliath" series... To be honest, in a live situation, 99% will not know you spent £200 on a single pedal... or £200 on a pedalboard full of £30 Tone City pedals! Once that arse of a bass player starts and the drummer is bashing the crap out of the drums.... ;-)
for my ears, the shimverb does mess up a lot with the guitar tone I own the shimverb and I think that it's very hard to get good sounds from it, there are settings that just sound crappy, but I can still find some sweet spots, maybe on flat settings
I gotta be honest. I put on some headphones and listened to this while getting ready to head out for class. I forgot you were comparing 2 different pedals and heard the same tome throughout the whole video. It was only when I watched you switch back and forth through pedals again that I started hearing a difference
I would suggest leaving the camera on the pedals always on the screen, in a small square at the corner or something like that. Everytime it shows the pedals (at least in the beginning, as I have not finished watching the whole video yet), I have to pause the video to see the exact settings, because it's too fast. Please, either focus mainly in the pedals view or make it possible to see the pedals continuously throughout the video. Other than that, great videos and series!
+craig prentice Or Squier Tele/Strat/Jaguar/Jazzmaster vs Fender. Or various 335-type (Guild Starfire, Ibanez AF-series, Epi Dot, Fret King Elise) against Pete's 335. Or Epi 339 vs Gibby vs Taylor T5z? Or various single-cut (Ibanez, Schecter, ESP/LTD) vs The Real Thing? Or Epi 175 vs Gibby. Or Epi WildKat vs Gibby Midtown (though that's P90 vs Humbucker, but similar construction). Or Epi Casino vs Gibson 330. Or SGs etc etc. Yeah, Andertons doesn't stock all these, just suggestions.
+craig prentice We decided not to do guitars in David & Goliath because the feel & build quality is harder to get across on UA-cam & its subjective too. We're just going to stick to pedals on D vs G for now! Cheers.
The Strymon reverbs and the Neuenaber Wet reverb are on a level above everyone else. They have some special magic going on that gives them this gorgeous lush other worldly sound which is most of all musical and not metallic and thin sounding like cheaper reverbs. My feeling has always been that reverb is the one effect you should never cheap out on. Top class reverbs are just SO much better than cheaper ones that it's very noticeable.
Compared to the Strymon Bluesky the MOOER is missing a lot obviously, but just listening to the MOOER by its self. It really isn't a bad pedal very nice, and for the price! Not too shabby!
I have the mooer pedal, great demo, you showed a few good settings i had not thought about, sometimes we think bigger is better, sometimes true sometimes not, i believe use what you have and can afford to the best of your ability, thanks for your time with the demo
Presets man, all about the presets. I have a Bigsky which I absolutely love for the sound and the amount of presets I can have. I'm currently using about 6 out of the 100+ I can set lol.
Another good example of how true spring reverb is it's own thing that needs a real spring. It's laughable how crappy that digital units emulate the spring thing. Aside from that, both of these delays are comparable to my ears. I closed my eyes and was often surprised that I guessed wrong for which one was on. The reality is that the same ambience comes through for both pedals, i.e. a shimmery, swelling type of reverb. Good demo, and I really like this series.
The true integrity of the Shimverb, lies within how you use it. I use it to add ambience to my Mooer Reecho. I don't need an expensive verb for that. Placed after the Reecho is actually quite pleasing and gets the job done. Have since been a fan of the Mooer pedals. There's another demo on UA-cam that specifically uses Mooer pedals and I think you'd be hard pressed to tell whether the guitarist is using Mooer vs expensive pedals.
I was going to post the same comment on here. You beat me to it. Great videos and comparisons. The Chappers and Captain are mighty entertaining but I find myself preferring this style as it gets to the tinkering and playing quickly without commentary. I like the non biased approach too. Very well done, Pete!
Brave attempt Pete. The Strymon is more than a pedal, it's an artists palette. I use an old LXP15 for that sort of stuff, the 5 assignable pedal inputs are great fun. Thanks, Kev
The Mooer was supplied new without any operating or safety instructions. There was no power supply provided with the product. Therefore, unless you have a pedal board with multi supply system or a spare psu lying around of the correct type then you have to locate and purchase a psu to be able to use the product. This increases the cost and makes the pedal less cost effective. This also raises the question whether the device is fit for purpose and whether the description states clearly that no psu is supplied.
Tell you what I think? I think I could listen to you mess around with reverbs for hours. The Bluesky definitely was streets ahead of the Mooer in every way.
I was really hoping the Shimverb could keep up so i dont have to spend over $300 on a pedal but theres just something about that Strymon sound, so heavenly
I thought the BlueSky was better (as it seems most of the other viewers did as well, based on the comments) but I thought the Shimverb was very respectable, and when you look at the difference in price, to me, the Shimverb is clearly the better value. Not all of are able or want to invest hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars into a pedal collection, and being able to get a good sound out of a pedal that's around $100 (or less on the used market) -- compared to over $300 for the BlueSky -- can make it a good choice for a player trying not to break the bank.
Some heavenly sounds by both pedals and of course very pleasant and appropriate playing by Pete. The strymon does sound better especially on the shimmer mode, where the mooer sounds like its modulating a bit.
I like Pete's playing style for this kind of demo with any equipment. You get a good range of soft and gentle up through hard enough to drive the equipment. In may cases to much shredding will give the wrong opinion of the equipment. I will admit if the equipment is to push the system to the limit then Shredders are the Demo folks for that gear. Great demo Pete, How about using an A B switch for the future on these kind of demos please.
As someone who does a lot of ambient guitar, I would have to choose the Strymon. It does a much better job at getting a really wet and washy reverb. Plus I though the shimmer on the Strymon sounded much better.
I bought the blue sky and put it up for sale after 24 hours, could not understand the hype, it's a nice build but the sound is completely and utterly middle of the road, have a hof now and find it more versatile and over all usable
All these Strymon vs _whatever_ videos can't get past the sheer beauty of the strymon. At times it sounds like Vangelis is playing backing keyboards.David sounds quite good on some settings all the same.
Thanks so much for another great episode of D vs. G! I do prefer the Strymon, which produces tones that sound more complex. Also, its shimmer sounded less metallic to me. Suggestion: How about a Battle of the Wah-Wahs? Keep up the great work, man!
Normally these things are pretty close and the shimverb doesn't sound "bad" but Strymon really just are top notch.. Would love to see the hall of fame reverb vs the blue or big sky though
For me with the name shimverb, the selling point of this reverb is the shimmer. But unfortunately the shimmer is the weakest point. From what i know shimmer supposed to be a rvrb with +1 octave up pitch. But on the shimverb, it sounds like its on the 5th pitch to me
Strymon Blue Sky wins hands down. What I would like to see are shoot outs between the same price points such as Eventide and Strymon. Keep up the good work!
This is the only david vs goliath where I can legitimately say Goliath won. Usually there's a 'value' argument to be made at least for the cheaper pedal. The strymon is just SO MUCH BETTER that it's not a contest.
This is brilliant. I´m looking for Shimmer reverb at the moment and it seems to me that tiny little Mooer is actually better at this particular task. Strymon is fantastic, but it´s attack is not very musical. I would totally go over Mooer and focus on something more expensive were it not for this video.
I use the Mooer just as a slight reverb as my amp doesn't have it and sounds fine for general playing. It's only when you turn everything up it lets itself down. Plus with the size of I have it velco'd to the back ledge of my amp,running through fx loop so doesn't take up any space on small pedal board. I only use a couple of effects so does me fine. The Strymon wins though for versatility and sounds.
It would've been more comparable if you would've done the Mooer Shimverb Pro. It does cost more ($140) but you can adjust the shimmer a lot more. Still wouldn't beat the Strymon but it would've been better.
Isnt this Mooer Shimverb the same as the Rowin Ocean Verb or the Toms line Ocean Verb ? They have the same knobs: Mix, Tone and Decay. And they have the same settings Room, Spring and Shimmer.
Well I listened whilst doing something else and I liked the Mooer. The problem with any “shimmer” pedal is that it sounds like (to me) you’re playing with a dodgy keyboard player...and with the Mooer less so. They both sound better without the “shimmer” imo. Pete.
Should've really compared the Mooer Shimverb Pro, which is still super affordable, but at least lets you choose the pitch shift intervals on the shimmer
Well worth coming back to these reviews after a few months to see if ones opinion changes at all. In this case, the answer is definitely `no`. Mooer make some very good pedals that are brilliant value for money .... but the Shimverb isn`t one of them. ( In my opinion of course. ) What`s the point of a shimmer reverb if the shimmer is decidedly poor - even unpleasant sounding ? OK, the Bluesky is what, four times the price ? BUT the shimmer sounds beautiful. The shimmer on the Neunaber Immerse is also gorgeous. Sometimes you definitely get what you pay for I guess.
hello david.obviously the strymon was more thee dimentional more open sounding,the mooer for the money performed very well,it had to my ears a slight colouration in the upper frequences.still a very good review.
My Bluesky stopped working just because I put it in a different make of power supply, so beware only use a Strymon power supply to be on the safe side, I think the pedals power side has gone and might cost a small fortune to fix in the UK.
There is just something about strymon reverbs. They just sound clear... I'm not exactly sure how to word it. That being said the Bluesky definitely wins here and I see where your money is going, but the Mooer isn't bad either.
Yep...the BlueSky wins for me, purely because the shimmer is a proper octave as opposed to the Shimverb which - inexplicably - is a 5th higher instead, meaning it's out of tune half the time. Extremely odd decision. Funnily enough, the shimmer on the Zoom MS70CDR is *much* better. In fact, all of the reverbs (and delays) on there are better, to the point where it really gives the big boys a run for their money.
To be fair Mooer do a two switch reverb that is a much closer match for a comparison. A couple of mins Googling and what I think was called the Skyverb pro has had a name change to reverie reverb. I dunno if it's any good but its much closer in features to the Strymon and less than half the price.
i have a Bigsky at home and had a Bluesky ; i must admit thoose pedal kill the game in matter of reverb ; but honestly for the price and in an additionnal mini pedal board ; i'm really considering getting a a Shimverb
God knows why mooer did this but on the shimverb the shimmer setting is like a 5th above (i think a 5th) but on the strymon its a straight octave, sounds much more pleasing to the ear
The Moore is very nice sounding. I might buy one now. The big sky is too polished sounding for my taste. I keep wanting to like it but I just dont. To each their own!
Just from listening to a few minutes of playing, I can safely assume that the main source of price difference in these two pedals is the features. I have no issue with this since it makes economic sense.
I used to have the Shimverb, its Room setting is pretty good but the other 2 modes are seriously bad, they have a not well-dialed fixed predelay and make every guitar sound almost the same. Generally screams digital in a bad way, especially when turning up the decay and tone, thus hearing more clearly the wet signal. I've been using it for rehearsals (for about 1,5 month) and one Demo recording, then sold it immediately. I'd recommend Digitech for that price, I think it's even cheaper.
Great video, I own a 'Shimverb' and although this highlights where your extra money goes if you go for another brand it does all I need it to. It would be good to see more MOOER comparisons with the models they apparently 'clone', 'Ana-echo' VS. 'DM2', 'Green Mile' VS. 'TS' and so on.
Yeah, it's obvious what you're getting when you dish out for the Strymon...the Mooer might have some decent sounds for a mini pedal on a budget, but aside from all the extra control on the Strymon, the algorithms are soooooo much more complex and the bloom is so much bigger...dang. The poor Mooer's got far less utility; if you need a mini verb, just get a TC HoF mini and load it with exactly the sound you want--done.
Great comparison.. I would love to see JRAD The Dude vs. Mooer Rumble Drive, and another comparison between Strymon Flint vs. Mooer Trelicopter. Thanks!
cheap pedals cut lows, and lower mids, so you can hear it when mooer in action. When you listen it on gain it's more obvious. Btw mooer is a great cheap pedal
I think where the mooer fatally falls down is on the spring, which to my ear sounds very unnatural to me. The bluesky for me pulls out the goods here to be quite representative of actual spring units. The fifth thing on the Mooer shimmer is unfortunately painful to say the least.
nnnownow Agreed. I bought one a while ago purely to use with a small practice amp, which I got at the same time, that didn't have reverb. I fell victim to the old "it sounded alright in the shop" syndrome. After a while the flaws in the spring emulation began to bug me. Once I started to notice the way it affected the dry through tone too I had to replace it, with a HOF mini. The room is much better, I'm just not a fan of room reverb, and the shimmer is totally fine for occasional use.
This one was not even close. Mooer sounds Metallic (on the reverb tails). I love their E-Lady and Trelicopter, but for Reverb, the Blue Sky is far superior. (you get, what you pay for)
David vs Goliath? No. You are wrong, Goliath just killed Solomon the Son of David. Here's the real David. Make a comparison with that Strymon Bluesky (Goliath) and this Mooer Shimver Pro Link ua-cam.com/video/OuxEkw3Zsmw/v-deo.html
really is a up hill task for that little mooer.......but i do think the little bugger is great and the strymon is to complicated for what i want and is far to expensive too
Of course the Strymon is better but the question you have to ask yourself is,is it worth five times the price of the Mooer? And remember the difference will be much less pronounced in a mix.Which would I choose? Neither---I don't like reverb!
I have the shimverb and it eats a noticeable amount of tone when its engaged (through the loop, haven't really tried it in front) Ive had the same problem on 3 different amps now. I'd stay away from it personally
There's something absolutely magical about the sound of those Strymon pedals. To my ears, this one's not even close. The Mooer is a quite capable reverb, surprisingly so in fact, but the Strymon is just amazing...
In the Shimverb's defense, a lot of my gear choice comes down to budget in the end. I think the Shimverb sounds okay and would probably be sufficient for all but fulltime professional guitarists.
There's an obvious point were the Strymon leaves the Mooer behind, but hey-oh, Two more dials, One more toggle, One extra switch and stereo ins & outs, not to mentions a stack of dosh more. Bang for buck has to be Mooer because it's smaller, cheaper, easier to use and still covers off the most important aspects of what most guitarist need this effect for.
The actual "reverbs" at play here aren't terribly far apart (sans a few funky artifacts in the Mooers shimmer). But the Strymon is absolutely miles ahead in preserving the actual guitar tone.
So I bought the Shimverb years ago after recording a record where we used mainly the Bluesky. I wanted to replicate That shimmer effect.
In all honesty, I use the Shimverb all the time. Love it actually. Live it holds up. There's a certain character to it. I think a lot of people get a bit caught up on the fact that the price difference is so drastic. By all means this doesn't mean that the Mooer isnt as good as the Bigsky.
'David' hasnt done too bad until now. But the BlueSky is one of, if not the, best all around reverb pedals of all time. Also, they definitely have the correct man for this job. Clean, full, and beautiful playing as always Pete.
Empress Reverb is far superior than any other reverb I know. But yeah, BlueSky is too good.
Ohw, make him a cake!
should do a blind test portion as well, most of us hear with our eyes.....
+giggs102 to that end I usually scroll down the page and read some comments (some of them are quite entertaining, you know) and that gives me the opportunity to listen without bias or prejudice. the downside is then I don't know which pedal is on.
Funny im doing that right now!
I am listening while I'm working and frankly I didn't hear much difference, not enough to justify the price difference at least.
@@JulioJustiniano build quality and sound quality are both important, one can't really be demoed in a video like this. If the mooer breaks within a year and the bluesky is still going after 5 years then it's obvious where the price difference is.
Two words PRICE DIFFERENCE!!!
the shim verb is great for it's price
pricet3111 Mooer is a Chinese pirate.
@@greg6L6GCWell Pete is a Danish one
I really like all of the new segments to the Andertons channel, those moaning aren't forced to watch are they? Whereby if the content wasn't available those interested would be missing out. Pete has been great in all the videos I've seen so far. Great player.
I feel like I've been guilty of ignoring reverb pedals. I always thought they were kind of pointless and that reverb wasn't really a desired effect. I just purchased my first reverb pedal last week and I absolutely love it. Both of these are great too but I think I'll go with the Blue Sky because of the extra options. Great video!!!
This is such a great segment imo. I like seeing the contrast.
Different prices and qualities but that doesn't mean the cheaper does have its own character and it doesn't mean the more expensive will fit everyone's taste.
This channel really came around quality wise captain.
I like these videos and this is really the first one where cheaper does actually get blown away by the more expensive.
The problem with the Mooer Shimmer is that it shimmers in 5ths and not in octaves. Whilst it can work really well for some things, octave shimmer is just so much more useful.
I agree with this. Great observation.
hi,.jushwing,. which cheap reverb pedal ,as the shimverb here,. would you,. or anyone who reads this,. recommend that does shimmer in octaves? thanxs..
@@alejandrolerman This fx should be always in 8ths, octaves.
This reverb (Mooer) is great but the shimmer is trash. If you look for a cheap and small pedal this could be the one, but there are others with same size and as good as this one or much better with other sets and not this garbage shimmer.
Is there another shim like the canyon pedal
The Jhs Octave Reverb has 8th shimmer (up, down, and simultaneous), and it's inexpensive
Love the "David vs Goliath" series... To be honest, in a live situation, 99% will not know you spent £200 on a single pedal... or £200 on a pedalboard full of £30 Tone City pedals! Once that arse of a bass player starts and the drummer is bashing the crap out of the drums.... ;-)
haha.. your funny man
@@esticaandres3169 You think? HAHAHA You can tell the difference in the mix? Nah, of course not!
for my ears, the shimverb does mess up a lot with the guitar tone
I own the shimverb and I think that it's very hard to get good sounds from it, there are settings that just sound crappy, but I can still find some sweet spots, maybe on flat settings
Nice demo, just got the Shimverb and it is not bad at all!
I gotta be honest. I put on some headphones and listened to this while getting ready to head out for class. I forgot you were comparing 2 different pedals and heard the same tome throughout the whole video. It was only when I watched you switch back and forth through pedals again that I started hearing a difference
I would suggest leaving the camera on the pedals always on the screen, in a small square at the corner or something like that. Everytime it shows the pedals (at least in the beginning, as I have not finished watching the whole video yet), I have to pause the video to see the exact settings, because it's too fast. Please, either focus mainly in the pedals view or make it possible to see the pedals continuously throughout the video.
Other than that, great videos and series!
How about some "David Vs Goliath" in guitars? Like an Epiphone Les Paul Standard Vs a Gibson Historic Les Paul?
+craig prentice Or Squier Tele/Strat/Jaguar/Jazzmaster vs Fender. Or various 335-type (Guild Starfire, Ibanez AF-series, Epi Dot, Fret King Elise) against Pete's 335. Or Epi 339 vs Gibby vs Taylor T5z? Or various single-cut (Ibanez, Schecter, ESP/LTD) vs The Real Thing? Or Epi 175 vs Gibby. Or Epi WildKat vs Gibby Midtown (though that's P90 vs Humbucker, but similar construction). Or Epi Casino vs Gibson 330. Or SGs etc etc. Yeah, Andertons doesn't stock all these, just suggestions.
+Dux Erraticus Aye, that's the idea. I only used the Gibson/Epiphone as an example. There's plenty options to choose from out there
+craig prentice Are you perhaps a fellow Scot? I live within view of the Ailsa, Craig...
+Dux Erraticus haha, I'm guessing my "aye" gave that game away. You'll be down near Girvan then. I'm a Weegie
+craig prentice We decided not to do guitars in David & Goliath because the feel & build quality is harder to get across on UA-cam & its subjective too. We're just going to stick to pedals on D vs G for now! Cheers.
The Strymon reverbs and the Neuenaber Wet reverb are on a level above everyone else. They have some special magic going on that gives them this gorgeous lush other worldly sound which is most of all musical and not metallic and thin sounding like cheaper reverbs. My feeling has always been that reverb is the one effect you should never cheap out on. Top class reverbs are just SO much better than cheaper ones that it's very noticeable.
Revelation may be just as good as the Strymon.
Compared to the Strymon Bluesky the MOOER is missing a lot obviously, but just listening to the MOOER by its self. It really isn't a bad pedal very nice, and for the price! Not too shabby!
I have the mooer pedal, great demo, you showed a few good settings i had not thought about, sometimes we think bigger is better, sometimes true sometimes not, i believe use what you have and can afford to the best of your ability, thanks for your time with the demo
I definitely did NOT hear any recognisable spy theme tunes or film noir riffs in this public service broadcast :-)
Presets man, all about the presets. I have a Bigsky which I absolutely love for the sound and the amount of presets I can have. I'm currently using about 6 out of the 100+ I can set lol.
Another good example of how true spring reverb is it's own thing that needs a real spring. It's laughable how crappy that digital units emulate the spring thing. Aside from that, both of these delays are comparable to my ears. I closed my eyes and was often surprised that I guessed wrong for which one was on. The reality is that the same ambience comes through for both pedals, i.e. a shimmery, swelling type of reverb. Good demo, and I really like this series.
The true integrity of the Shimverb, lies within how you use it. I use it to add ambience to my Mooer Reecho. I don't need an expensive verb for that. Placed after the Reecho is actually quite pleasing and gets the job done. Have since been a fan of the Mooer pedals. There's another demo on UA-cam that specifically uses Mooer pedals and I think you'd be hard pressed to tell whether the guitarist is using Mooer vs expensive pedals.
I really love the tone of the bluesky. Goliath absolutely kills this poor David.
I was going to post the same comment on here. You beat me to it. Great videos and comparisons. The Chappers and Captain are mighty entertaining but I find myself preferring this style as it gets to the tinkering and playing quickly without commentary. I like the non biased approach too. Very well done, Pete!
The best thing about the Blue Sky is that, because of it's extremely high quality analog pass through, it doesn't mess the actual guitar tone at all.
Brave attempt Pete. The Strymon is more than a pedal, it's an artists palette. I use an old LXP15 for that sort of stuff, the 5 assignable pedal inputs are great fun. Thanks, Kev
The Mooer was supplied new without any operating or safety instructions. There was no power supply provided with the product. Therefore, unless you have a pedal board with multi supply system or a spare psu lying around of the correct type then you have to locate and purchase a psu to be able to use the product. This increases the cost and makes the pedal less cost effective. This also raises the question whether the device is fit for purpose and whether the description states clearly that no psu is supplied.
Tell you what I think?
I think I could listen to you mess around with reverbs for hours.
The Bluesky definitely was streets ahead of the Mooer in every way.
+Timathus Stop trying to coin the phrase, "streets ahead".
+UniqueSquared it was a phrase coined long before I used it.
Timathus Good point. Pierce Hawthorne deserves credit for that.
+UniqueSquared Haha! Indeed.
britishisms.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/streets-ahead/
^^^In case you're curious of it's origin.
Timathus Oh damn, it's a real thing? Hahaha, had no idea! Thanks for making me a tad bit smarter today!
I was really hoping the Shimverb could keep up so i dont have to spend over $300 on a pedal but theres just something about that Strymon sound, so heavenly
If you haven't bought it, yet, you should definitely check out the Mercury 7 reverb. That shit is mind blowingly beautiful!
I thought the BlueSky was better (as it seems most of the other viewers did as well, based on the comments) but I thought the Shimverb was very respectable, and when you look at the difference in price, to me, the Shimverb is clearly the better value. Not all of are able or want to invest hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars into a pedal collection, and being able to get a good sound out of a pedal that's around $100 (or less on the used market) -- compared to over $300 for the BlueSky -- can make it a good choice for a player trying not to break the bank.
Some heavenly sounds by both pedals and of course very pleasant and appropriate playing by Pete. The strymon does sound better especially on the shimmer mode, where the mooer sounds like its modulating a bit.
I like Pete's playing style for this kind of demo with any equipment. You get a good range of soft and gentle up through hard enough to drive the equipment. In may cases to much shredding will give the wrong opinion of the equipment. I will admit if the equipment is to push the system to the limit then Shredders are the Demo folks for that gear. Great demo Pete, How about using an A B switch for the future on these kind of demos please.
A lot of these videos have been quite close, this one wasn't haha
Ray Syed but for home use the slim verb at $27 used fit the bill just fine for me
Yes it was ,,,very close
Great playing Pete it's nice to have something different than metal all the time as much as I like Rob and the Captain
variety is the spice of life.
As someone who does a lot of ambient guitar, I would have to choose the Strymon. It does a much better job at getting a really wet and washy reverb. Plus I though the shimmer on the Strymon sounded much better.
I bought the blue sky and put it up for sale after 24 hours, could not understand the hype, it's a nice build but the sound is completely and utterly middle of the road, have a hof now and find it more versatile and over all usable
There are indeed some tonal differences. Blue surely sounds full n warm. No doubt about that... But shim can well do the job
All these Strymon vs _whatever_ videos can't get past the sheer beauty of the strymon. At times it sounds like Vangelis is playing backing keyboards.David sounds quite good on some settings all the same.
Thanks so much for another great episode of D vs. G! I do prefer the Strymon, which produces tones that sound more complex. Also, its shimmer sounded less metallic to me. Suggestion: How about a Battle of the Wah-Wahs? Keep up the great work, man!
Blue for sure. Mooer was often shrill sounding while the blue sky was always smooth as butter.
Normally these things are pretty close and the shimverb doesn't sound "bad" but Strymon really just are top notch.. Would love to see the hall of fame reverb vs the blue or big sky though
For me with the name shimverb, the selling point of this reverb is the shimmer. But unfortunately the shimmer is the weakest point. From what i know shimmer supposed to be a rvrb with +1 octave up pitch. But on the shimverb, it sounds like its on the 5th pitch to me
Nothing beats the Strymon Pedals. But you have to pay a lot for that fact^^ =P
+Lukas K they're worth every penny, though. :)
I’ll get the mooer - mainly because I need a basic reverb. If I want a better shimmer, I’ll just use my HOG2.
Guitar sounds phenomenal.
your playing is great here! I think that the shimverb does the job pretty well
I feel like i'm being taken to heaven with that BlueSky lol, damn if it isn't gonna be the crowning piece on my little board
Strymon Blue Sky wins hands down. What I would like to see are shoot outs between the same price points such as Eventide and Strymon. Keep up the good work!
This is the only david vs goliath where I can legitimately say Goliath won. Usually there's a 'value' argument to be made at least for the cheaper pedal. The strymon is just SO MUCH BETTER that it's not a contest.
Nice review presentation. However there's really no comparison as the Strymon has an octave outputs and the Moor does a fifth.
This is brilliant. I´m looking for Shimmer reverb at the moment and it seems to me that tiny little Mooer is actually better at this particular task. Strymon is fantastic, but it´s attack is not very musical. I would totally go over Mooer and focus on something more expensive were it not for this video.
The Strymon when used in stereo mode defines “lushness” - great pedal.
Strymon Bluesky did it right there is enough variance on tap to dial in just what your personally wanting to hear out of the device.
I want more of Peter in my life... Is he on Spotify?
it would really be great to get your opinion of the pedals at the end.
I use the Mooer just as a slight reverb as my amp doesn't have it and sounds fine for general playing. It's only when you turn everything up it lets itself down. Plus with the size of I have it velco'd to the back ledge of my amp,running through fx loop so doesn't take up any space on small pedal board. I only use a couple of effects so does me fine. The Strymon wins though for versatility and sounds.
It would've been more comparable if you would've done the Mooer Shimverb Pro. It does cost more ($140) but you can adjust the shimmer a lot more. Still wouldn't beat the Strymon but it would've been better.
Isnt this Mooer Shimverb the same as the Rowin Ocean Verb or the Toms line Ocean Verb ? They have the same knobs: Mix, Tone and Decay. And they have the same settings Room, Spring and Shimmer.
Well I listened whilst doing something else and I liked the Mooer.
The problem with any “shimmer” pedal is that it sounds like (to me) you’re playing with a dodgy keyboard player...and with the Mooer less so. They both sound better without the “shimmer” imo.
Pete.
In your comparison, there is almost not a dime's worth of difference from both. Your test is a real 'eye' and ear opener.
Should've really compared the Mooer Shimverb Pro, which is still super affordable, but at least lets you choose the pitch shift intervals on the shimmer
Well worth coming back to these reviews after a few months to see if ones opinion changes at all. In this case, the answer is definitely `no`. Mooer make some very good pedals that are brilliant value for money .... but the Shimverb isn`t one of them. ( In my opinion of course. ) What`s the point of a shimmer reverb if the shimmer is decidedly poor - even unpleasant sounding ? OK, the Bluesky is what, four times the price ? BUT the shimmer sounds beautiful. The shimmer on the Neunaber Immerse is also gorgeous. Sometimes you definitely get what you pay for I guess.
hello david.obviously the strymon was more thee dimentional more open sounding,the mooer for the money performed very well,it had to my ears a slight colouration in the upper frequences.still a very good review.
Great demo Pete as usual keep em coming!
My Bluesky stopped working just because I put it in a different make of power supply, so beware only use a Strymon power supply to be on the safe side, I think the pedals power side has gone and might cost a small fortune to fix in the UK.
There is just something about strymon reverbs. They just sound clear... I'm not exactly sure how to word it. That being said the Bluesky definitely wins here and I see where your money is going, but the Mooer isn't bad either.
Yep...the BlueSky wins for me, purely because the shimmer is a proper octave as opposed to the Shimverb which - inexplicably - is a 5th higher instead, meaning it's out of tune half the time. Extremely odd decision.
Funnily enough, the shimmer on the Zoom MS70CDR is *much* better. In fact, all of the reverbs (and delays) on there are better, to the point where it really gives the big boys a run for their money.
To be fair Mooer do a two switch reverb that is a much closer match for a comparison. A couple of mins Googling and what I think was called the Skyverb pro has had a name change to reverie reverb. I dunno if it's any good but its much closer in features to the Strymon and less than half the price.
i have a Bigsky at home and had a Bluesky ; i must admit thoose pedal kill the game in matter of reverb ; but honestly for the price and in an additionnal mini pedal board ; i'm really considering getting a a Shimverb
i think the bluesky absolutely kills it, but it costs like 6 times the mooer shimverb
I read bluesky as blueski for some reason...
Mooer pitch shifter or octave vs the pog or pitchfork
Or sub n up
dont try mooer pitch shifter !!!
horrible octaver !!!
the mooer tender octave is great actually!
+1 The tender octaver is amazing but it's now been discontinued because of a lawsuit with POG. That's how you know it's good! lol
You can still get it on amazon in Germany
God knows why mooer did this but on the shimverb the shimmer setting is like a 5th above (i think a 5th) but on the strymon its a straight octave, sounds much more pleasing to the ear
Mooer will easily fit on pedalboard as well on budget hahaha!
The Moore is very nice sounding. I might buy one now. The big sky is too polished sounding for my taste. I keep wanting to like it but I just dont. To each their own!
Just from listening to a few minutes of playing, I can safely assume that the main source of price difference in these two pedals is the features. I have no issue with this since it makes economic sense.
I used to have the Shimverb, its Room setting is pretty good but the other 2 modes are seriously bad, they have a not well-dialed fixed predelay and make every guitar sound almost the same. Generally screams digital in a bad way, especially when turning up the decay and tone, thus hearing more clearly the wet signal.
I've been using it for rehearsals (for about 1,5 month) and one Demo recording, then sold it immediately. I'd recommend Digitech for that price, I think it's even cheaper.
Great video, I own a 'Shimverb' and although this highlights where your extra money goes if you go for another brand it does all I need it to. It would be good to see more MOOER comparisons with the models they apparently 'clone', 'Ana-echo' VS. 'DM2', 'Green Mile' VS. 'TS' and so on.
Yeah, it's obvious what you're getting when you dish out for the Strymon...the Mooer might have some decent sounds for a mini pedal on a budget, but aside from all the extra control on the Strymon, the algorithms are soooooo much more complex and the bloom is so much bigger...dang. The poor Mooer's got far less utility; if you need a mini verb, just get a TC HoF mini and load it with exactly the sound you want--done.
Great comparison.. I would love to see JRAD The Dude vs. Mooer Rumble Drive, and another comparison between Strymon Flint vs. Mooer Trelicopter. Thanks!
I would like to know what Pete thought of both pedals as a player. Tone is subjective, but is a reverb pedal worth spending $299.00 USD on?
cheap pedals cut lows, and lower mids, so you can hear it when mooer in action. When you listen it on gain it's more obvious. Btw mooer is a great cheap pedal
I think where the mooer fatally falls down is on the spring, which to my ear sounds very unnatural to me. The bluesky for me pulls out the goods here to be quite representative of actual spring units. The fifth thing on the Mooer shimmer is unfortunately painful to say the least.
nnnownow Agreed. I bought one a while ago purely to use with a small practice amp, which I got at the same time, that didn't have reverb. I fell victim to the old "it sounded alright in the shop" syndrome. After a while the flaws in the spring emulation began to bug me. Once I started to notice the way it affected the dry through tone too I had to replace it, with a HOF mini. The room is much better, I'm just not a fan of room reverb, and the shimmer is totally fine for occasional use.
you can't go wrong with strymon..its a little bit expensive but it worth the money.
This one was not even close. Mooer sounds Metallic (on the reverb tails). I love their E-Lady and Trelicopter, but for Reverb, the Blue Sky is far superior. (you get, what you pay for)
Strymon wins. Fatality.
The Shimverb sounds nasty.
David vs Goliath? No. You are wrong, Goliath just killed Solomon the Son of David. Here's the real David. Make a comparison with that Strymon Bluesky (Goliath) and this Mooer Shimver Pro
Link ua-cam.com/video/OuxEkw3Zsmw/v-deo.html
I couldn't get past the first 10 seconds of that video. That octave + fifth shimmer sounded like ass. No where close to the BlueSky either.
the shimmer of shimverb it's outrageous! use the fifth? i can't believe
Exactly!😂
No one talking about the complete lack of bottom on the Mooer? It just loses all the strength of the beautiful guitar tone.
Damn the strymon really smashed the mooer to bits in this video
ok strymon advert. care to max the settings on mooer's shimmer?
really is a up hill task for that little mooer.......but i do think the little bugger is great and the strymon is to complicated for what i want and is far to expensive too
Of course the Strymon is better but the question you have to ask yourself is,is it worth five times the price of the Mooer? And remember the difference will be much less pronounced in a mix.Which would I choose? Neither---I don't like reverb!
I've always thought that while subtle differences aren't as in your face in a mix, they are much more important.
so which one is david? the small one or the winning one? :/
I like this kind of comparison, cheap vs expensive! You could do amps and guitars!
The Bluesky is definetly better by far than the Shimverb but she's totally ok for her price. Cool pedals
For me, the Strymon wins on the shimmer mode, but on spring and room mode, the Mooer is the champion.
I get that cash register effect that intro for the song money on the dark side of the moon when you use the strymon. I Guess the shim actually cost.
I have the shimverb and it eats a noticeable amount of tone when its engaged (through the loop, haven't really tried it in front) Ive had the same problem on 3 different amps now. I'd stay away from it personally
I think Skyverb vs Bluesky would have been more appropriate. Skyverb seems to sound closer to the bluesky than the shimverb does.