Ford Triton spark plug repair part 2
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thank you sir you have just saved me about $450 here in florida. just did it to my 2005 Mercury Grand Marquis same Caravan tool kit and insert work perfect.
How's it running now? I'm going to attempt this soon. any helpful tips?
Purely, awesome video!!!! Thanks for posting.
This video help thanks
Great job
I have a 03 f150 4.6 I have had 3 blow out now .
Kyle Kelley THANKS, I DO A LOT OF THESE AND #3 IS MOST COMMON ONE THAT BLOWS.
Thanks for the video. My 2004 Expedition 4.6 just blew out 2 spark plugs at the same time. I watched your video, ordered the Cal-Van 38900 tool set and some JB Weld and got-er-done. Easy peasy.
If you coat the flutes of the reamer and tap with grease you will catch most of the shavings. FYI
Thank Ford for providing job security for as long that Titan engines are being used. ;-)
Hello Ron hey it’s been a few years since you did the spark plug thing. Can you tell me what serial number borescope you used. Thanks I am considering on purchasing one. I would like one as good as you have.
Thanks for the info spark plug blew out on Sunday watched your video ordered the Calvin kit received it Wednesday followed your instructions drove it to work Thursday morning thanks again
awsome video bud
Devin Scroggie THANKS
Very nice sr
how can a guy do it with no air compressor? Can I use a magnet? Can I use a hose and mouth?
but you did not remove the spark plug out and tap expand the spark plug thread tap does it not need to like other kits ? and most use red lock tight hi temp loctite 266
Excellent video, had this happen a year ago and my Mustang has just been sitting ever since. Going to order the Cal-Van and do it myself. Thanks again!
I could make a career fixing this problem I think.... But the thought of working on a Ford is such a horrifying proposition I couldn't do it. I worked on Benz, Volvo, Alfa, Ferrari, Jaguar for almost 20 years and for the life of me, I cannot remember engineering at this level. I even worked on Lucas electrics and positive ground systems so I might know a thing or two. I am also Bosch certified up to 1998. This is such an engineering nightmare I cannot imagine how Ford was able to side step warranty. Help me someone! I know there are Ford guys watching this and hating on what I say but enlighten me please. How was GM able to make the LS such a powerhouse and this engine, while full of potential, came as delivered with such an obvious problem?
nice video
Never had issues with the 5.4 when we had it, it was a straight up coil and not the angled one. Guess I got lucky.
Wonderfull, helps a lot, thanks for sharing.
quick question, we just did that to my 2003 ford expedition 4.6 and now it keeps shaking really bad, what should we do? my mechanic said that I need to replace the heads and it's to much money for that :(
Difficult to say without seeing it. but I doubt it's because of the insert unless whoever installed it hit a valve with the drill bit during install. first run compression test on cylinder, if its below 150 suspect engine or head damage. check that all coils and fuel injectors are plugged in. and all vacuum hoses are plugged in. most engine problems I see after self install by untrained persons is one of these. heads should not have to be replaced because of blown plug. if you have access to a scanner that can read codes check for p0301 through p0308 codes. these will tell you which cylinder is misfiring.
hope this helped.
done a couple of these now but still dont understand why i dont ever have to do the other cylinders. but the ones ive run into are number 6 and 7 on the driver side. have an answer for that?
Nope!
I recently had one of these repaired on my 5.4 L Ford triton engine, what is the basic cost of one of these to be replaced?
I dont like discussing prices. It has caused problems in the past. However anything over $350 complete is high i.m.h.o.
Great video bro, I got 128k on my "01 5.4 2v and thankfully this hasn't happened...yet, do you think plugs blow just from normal use, or more likely if you have a lead foot?
The design definitely needs more threads considering the head is made of aluminum, but the wildly accepted reason for the plugs blowing out is over torqued/ under torqued after service. What i understand is that the problem didnt show up untill after people started replacing the plugs. If they are over torqued, you weaken the 4 to 5 aluminum threads to the point of the cylinder compression will eventually compromise them. If they are under torqued, the plug will start to vibrate out until its held by 2 or 3 threads (if even that) and then the compression blows the plug out
will the tools have enough clearance to fit way back there near the firewall on a 5.4 2v (cylinders 4 and 8) Also, could it be done without air tools besides blowing out the cylinders?
+Jolynn Hinkle yes there is enough room. Not sure about doing without air tools
ok cool. Thanks for the reply!
Only one question any problems with removing the plug down the road? With the JB weld on the insert and the plug threads?
+Mike Balloonman not so far. Sometimes the insert will come out with the plug. Thats why i did updated video on using red locktite
Thanks for replying . I was thinking after insertion loosen the plug let it sit for 30 minutes them remove the plug them after 6 hours reinstall with antiseaze.
Do you have a link for the Kit you used?
Mine is a 2000 F-250 and I blew the second one back on passenger side. I used a cheap Doorman/NAPA Kit for now. I believe the 3rd cylinder back on the passenger side has already been done.
Also, when you say its rare for more than one or 2 to blow out, what do you mean? Is it usually just the same cylinders that give people issues? I have yet to see a video where they did the driver side lol.
Just saved over 3000 dollars they wanted to put a new motor in the truck, all fixed up now. THANKS RON WILLIAMS funny last name we are not related are we, lol.
How much do you charge for the repair?
Hey Ron,
Don't expect you to remember me, but I called you a couple months ago regarding an idle surge in my 2000 F250 Super Duty in which we covered all the possible causes. First off let me endorse you to all that may read this, as a former mechanic, it's a pleasure speaking with someone that knows what their talking about!!
That said, I've decided to pull the engine out of my truck for a bunch of reasons, but my question is, what would you recommend for a source for information regarding removal and inspection of parts and of course reinstallation of those parts, or new ones?
I've looked at eBay seeing DVDs offered, and or several repair manuals ie, Chilton, Haynes, etc.
and also pdf's that I can download? I'm planning on pulling the heads to take care of the spark plug issue, and the broken studs on the exhaust, and to replace all the gaskets on the engine now that it's seventeen years old and 132,000 miles. Last on my list is replacing the clutch assembly and possibly the flywheel. It's been a great truck, but figure it best to do these upgrades as well as the repairs, just need a source to rely on if I need it, and I know I will!!
If it's okay to call you, give me a time that would be convenient for you and I will give you a hollar!!
Thank you for putting out your video's as I know I'm not the only one who appreciates your time.
Cheers, Razor, from Petaluma Ca.
sad pat about this is I have a f-150 4x4 2003, and it has blown 5 sparkplugs so far. I had o finally get the Helicoil repair kit for the times when I am in the middle of nowhere and barely have cell reception. Thank you for the video! It helps a lot to at least get the gist of the process.
when the truck runs runs ok, but if I stop it starts to shake again, I will go to talk to my mechanic he does have scanner and everything thanks for your help :)
when the truck runs runs ok, but if I stop it starts to shake again, I will go to talk to my mechanic he does have scanner and everything thanks for your help :)
Great video, but will this work on a 2002 ford 5.4 liter triton with the romeo heads.They have the extra step of aluminum in them. which supposedly places your spark plug at a different height. I'm very curious if you have done this with this kit and how well it worked for you.
so what do you think will happen if you drove the truck for a few hours without repairing it, thats what my customer did and now its my fault it needs a motor. sorry they must have watched your video and think they didnt wash the cylinder hole down and now the piston rings are junk and the bearings are making the rods knock. so if thats it maybe ill send this one to you. lol just kidding. although it is true. bad motor now. and im glad its not my pick up although ironically my wife did the same to my truck. 2000 f150 5.4l. i wanted to cry.
Thanks for the time you spent today helping me via text!!!! It was very helpful and assuring!!!
Thanks for making this video. I would have to say that this kit may work for other engines if the tap has enough room to work. Just one cylinder of that engine would have to use a Ford spark plug.
can you do same process in a 2008 expedition king ranch spark plugs are different Cain let me know plz?
can you do same process in a 2008 expeditio king ranch the spark plugs are different let me know plz ?
can you do same process in a 2008 expeditio king ranch the spark plugs are different let me know plz ?
thanks perfect video.
Ive hearx the reason they pop out is due to over torqued and weakened threads or under torqued and the plug starts to spin out untill the compression blows it out. Nice to see that someone in the after market created a permanent fix for the problem.
You were right it's was fairly easy to do
The husky brand air ratchet really slowed it down so the the old saying you get what payed for holds true
Ty great vids✌️
:) saved to favourites
My 5.4 has blown 3 haha. I'm going to fix the third one this week.
how about plug the pcv valve hole before you blow the chips around next time!
Great video. Just had a plug go on my 01 v10. Dammit. Thanks for the great tips though!
zachws6 THANKS.
Great Video. Just had a plug go on my Triton 5.4L in 1998 Ford Expedition. Repair shop charged me $350 to repair. They didn't advise me to wait 4-6 hours after job was done, so I'll enforce that time , on my own.
I charge $299 installed at my shop. and i will probably go down a little next year because i can do them in under 1 hr now.
Great instruction I feel I could do the job. Better camera angles and close ups would have put this video over the top. Thanks for sharing. -John
Thanks, i will keep that in mind for next video.
Still a good job!
Very good job you explained it very well you're a great mechanic
When did Ford fix this issue? Would a 2005 F250 5.4 have this problem? Thanks
My opinion is from 1997 thru late 2005 when the 3 valve started showing its ugly face the plugs blowing out was a problem. Ford fixed the issue by redesigning the triton to a 3 valve VVT (variable valve timing) engine somewhere in 2005. I personally hate the 3 valve triton because of multiple issues. Now the spark plugs don't want to come out and break off in the cylinder heads. also the VVT cam phasers go bad often as well as timing chain issues. Mostly related to not changing engine often enough. When my friends ask about buying a truck with the 3 valve I tell them to RUN!!!!! or expect high price repair bills when problems arise. Hope this helps.
Great video. Clear, direct and easy to follow. Thanks
can you do same process in a 2008 expedition king ranch spark plugs are different Cain let me know plz?
+Gerardo Alonso i belive 2008 is 3 valve engine. There is a kit for it that cal van makes it looks the same. Google cal van 3 valve insert
Great job thanks for the information you provide
blown out spark plugs give me gas.
Might have to fly you to COS
+Alex Valentine i was in salt lake city Utah 2 weeks ago riding my bmw motorcycle. Lol
Have you ever heard of a blown spark plug causing other motor problems? Or other motor problems being the cause of the plug blowing out?
+SuperAceuno1 not normally.
I sent a 2006 crown vic to have the number three plug repaired and they wanted to install a motor for $2,100 claiming the motor was blown, I kind of doubt they ever repaired a plug because when the car is started you can hear the piston blowing air out and it runs without any knocks or pings
Really good video. Thanks for sharing. Going to do one on an Econoline tomorrow. Hopefully there's enough room.
tang85atx doing one in my e250 waiting on the kit to get here
My 2002 F150 5.4 L Blew 3. Two of them before 100,000 miles. Had them fixed individually, then after the third had the rest done. Just yesterday an insert blew out still on the plug.
did your mechanic use the cal van kit.? I've seen people install the kits that come from Kragen O'Reilly and they're just a solid black insert that comes from helicoil. I see those blow out all the time I've done about 100 of these now with the cal van kit and I've never had one come back I guess anything's posible
Yea, I am not sure which kit he used. Spoke with him today and trying to decide which direction to go next. Looks to me as if putting the insert blown out into a larger insert... Not sure yet
Great video crappy engineering from ford no excuse for this to happen just pissed cause I have to do it
Did you watch my video called "why my spark plug blew out oy triton engine?" It's worth a look.
not sure how dumb of a question it may be, but I have a 2001 Mustang GT 4.6L V8 that has blown its second coil pack and im pretty certain it needs drilled and re tapped. Can I use the same instructions you used here on my car or will i end up messing something up
+Aj Maher its uses the same kit as the truck.
Yes, Same kit
I have 2004 4.6 Ford f150.. would I use the same parts to fix my truck?
+Shawn Macam McCarthy as long as it is not a duel overhead cam engine yes. Verify its a 2 valve triton by identifying the the coil pack like i show in video. If it is a 3 valve or a coyote engine it will have completely straight coils. If the coil has the bend around 30 deg. It will work.
A Tip: I'm a Tool & Die Maker - Machinist, I drill & tap a lot of Aluminum. I use Pledge furniture polish on the tap when tapping aluminum, the wax in the polish help's from gulling the Aluminum. You'll have nice smooth shiny threads when done.
+Ryan Smith hi ryan, how do you get the wax off so the alluminum is clean enough for locktite to stick. Cannot use cleaners, it will potentially wash out the rings.?
Thanks
drape a rag over a wooden doll and spray the tip of it with Acetone, put the doll & rag in the spark plug hole and give it a twist.It will clean the wax off the threads and Acetone evaporates dry.
Ron, Wish you lived in Colorado. My daughter was driving to camp in woodland park when #5 blew out last night. Fortunately, right next to an autozone and I was able to buy a sparkplug wrench and screw the plug back in to limp home. How much should I pay for a repair as you outlined in the video?
+Alex Valentine in my shop i charge $238 for calvan insert installed and $284 total if coil is broken.
Hi, Tire World charged $380 to replace #6. Phil Long Ford quoted $480, after originally telling me they never heard this type of thing happens. So sad this dealership is inept. I very much appreciate you Ron. I would have done myself if I had the tools. I'm keeping an extra plug and wrench in my truck from now on.
How do i know wen the piston is at the bottom
JB WELD? Oh yeah I always use JB WELD on my cylinder heads LOL!
NOT NOT NOT NOT a permanent fix!!!!! 01 F-250 5.4l blew one out after 3 years and 15k miles!!!!!
+Barry Not Happy Sorry to hear that. Sounds like either the mechanic made a mistake, or they did not use the cal van inserts. If a regular spark plug insert is used like the basic heli coil ones they most certainly will blow back out. I have never had one installed by me ever blow out. But then again i use quality heavy duty parts. I see customers a lot that think the mechanic did it with the stainless steel inserts only to find out later that a cheaper insert was installed. There is a very good reason the old black inserts from heli coil wont last. You need to watch my video titled "why my spark plug blew out of my triton motor " it explains in detail.
Ron Williams so you actually prefer this kit over Time-Sert, and why? im curious
Yes I prefer the Cal-Van kit. I have never seen the time sert kit. After 30+ years as a heavy line mechanic I go with what I know works. I have installed hundreds of Cal-Van inserts and never had a complaint or failure. So the question is really why would I change from what I know works and have had great success with?
If time sert company wants to send me a free kit I would happy to evaluate it and give my opinion.
computer keeps saying #4 misfire... I replaced the coil pack. Check engine light went off but still runs bad. a day later light came back on and said same cylinder was misfiring. SO NOW I HAVE TO replace the plug right?
Brian Carrow Maybe you have a bad head gasket. my truck did that. check engine light then it ran very very bad then it ran HORRIBLE looked in the radiator reservoir and had oil then looked in the oil & had water.
Brian Carrow if your truck is running like that and all is new ..do this turn truck on remove coil 4 if it still is shaky bad heads. or have ur compression checked
Brian Carrow I just had my heads rebuilt it did the same as ur truck it says #4 cylinder missfire and runs very rich in gas shaky smells alot like gas and then acouple months later heads came.
Hi Brian. did you change the spark plug on the cylinder that blew out? I have never seen a spark plug that was reusable after it was blown out due to thread damage. They almost always smash the electrode completely flat. But first thing I always do is a compression test on cyl. If compression is ok then misfire can be repaired. If compression is low below 100 psi then nothing you do will help it. If you suspect a bad spark plug (even if its new) swap the plug with another cylinder and see if misfire changes cylinders.
Thanks.
just happened to me for the first time. like your video
Travis B THANKS
Can someone remind me again, as to why ford has NOT required some sort of recall on this issue?
I believe ford said it was a spark plug issue not a head problem and therefore not covered under warranty. Spark plugs are normal wear and tear items.
Was that really their reason? Don't these engines come with Motorcraft [IE: FORD] plugs in them?
Just good teaching, no nonsense, thank you for the help.
Michael Carrano THANKS, THATS HOW I WORK!
Great videos. Getting ready to do mine this afternoon
How is it holding up?
awesome job man! thanks for the vid
toolbox902 THANKS
Where do I get the repair kit and how much is it?
+Guillermo Flores they are available online and ebay for around $250
I have a 2 valve 5.4 '99 expedition. The spark plug ceramic top is shattered and gone. The ceramic bits are crammed between the bolt and the inside walls of the cylinder the plug goes down into. They are preventing the socket from dropping down onto the bolt. I have tried compressed air, chewing gum, clay. I have scraped with a pick, thin knife and screwdriver. I have used a micro attachment on a shop vac and have collected many tiny bits of ceramic but enough remain that I still can not get the socket over the bolt. What should I do? Will the Lisle tool for the 3 valve plugs work in my case?
+Prey4Me454 I don't believe the tool for the 3 valve will work in that situation it wasn't intended to clear debris from around the outside of the plug. However since you have tried an awful lot of simple steps you might want to try taking a long thin strong standard screwdriver put it down on top of the porcelain and hit it with a hammer and just break the porcelain into smaller pieces so that you can blow it out. Only a suggestion I'm not there of course.
I did this by hammering the socket down lightly and then i got water. Scared I may have broken the metal on the head
+Prey4Me454 I understand but your socket is not a pointed solid steel Sharp object that can break porcelain. A small sharp thin screwdriver of good quality that can fit between the outside of the spark plug in the inside of the head may very well be able to chip that stuff into really tiny pieces other than that I'm not sure what to tell you
maybe a perfect sized hole saw very very carefully?
dunno what I would hold onto it with though
ME GUSTO
Can you come and fix mine?
lol. I'd like a guy like him out here in PA! I'd be in heaven!
very very very good video !!! U know what you doing!!
Just finished one. Thanks for the tips.
You are very welcome
Ron Williams I have a 4.6 with 237,000 never had this problem thankfully.am I safe to assume I probably won't?
Hi Ron outstanding video , i would like to know if you put anti seize on the plug before insert on the thread. thank you.
+membrusgrandis
Yes i do
I heard to use grease on the tap to keep all the shavings. Seems it would be harder to blow out.
i get that statement a lot. however air works great, i use a camera to confirm. But!!! if you use grease on tap or drill how you going to clean threads so JB weld will bond with head? thats the problem you run into.
+Ron Williams Good point. I guess brake cleaner? But that would be a mess. I also heard to use a special high temp locktite red, but JB weld sounds much stronger.
+alb12345672 I like to use products recommend by the parts maker that way i can feel its done right.
I suppose he voted for Hillarious Clinton too