The Vader 2.0 is pretty sick! I've had mine for about 2 weeks and I've ridden it in small Oceanside mushy to OH hollow beachies. Still peeling back the layers on this one, but feeling really good so far! ⚡⚡⚡⚡ 🤘
I once bought a deck that was too big for me, snapped the nose off in a session on a dry shorey, and it ended up looking like this thing and rode 100 times better. I left it snapped until it got waterlogged, took a few months but it was cool while it lasted. Rode better than what i bought it like. I dont doubt you are onto something. I'd luv to ride this thing.
The wide nose is super helpful in paddling. I made a 6’0 board with a nose from a 9’0 longboard and a pin tail from a skimboard, and it’s still my favorite to ride. Paddling in is amazing because you can really lean into the nose section when paddling in, and rather than pushing water, it just pops up and planes more and more as you gain speed. The result is that you catch waves way earlier than others around you giving a bit of an advantage in the paddle-battles, or just an easier/earlier paddle in on days when you’re by yourself.
Stoked to hear this board is being made. My old Vader was awesome. I took it to the Southern Attolls as a back up board two years ago and ended up riding it every day in the really big stuff. I've had it repaired so many times it barely floats but my 12 year old is now on it. I'm a big fan.
Yeah Boys! Great video on the updated design of the BEST surfboard I have ever owned and I've owned a LOT! Love you guys and Daniel's shaping is truly revolutionary!
Been riding 2 Vaders for 8 yrs now, 5’6 for anything up to double overhead and 5’7 on big days. Not a high performance board or the best board I’ve surfed, but hands down the best all rounder I’ve owned in my 40yrs of surfing. Some mates bought one because of me, but none of them stuck to it. Takes time to dial into it, but once you do, they’re amazing. Mine are now battered, so would love a few PU replacements, if only they were affordable!
That is sweet. I was wanting to experiment with bottom channel like that and putting snowboard style shape on the rails. Symmetry is needed for next gen airs. Very cool.
I can't vouch enough for these boards, full on changed my surfing. You can put it where ever you want and has the drive of a fucking lambo. Push through your turns and just get an orgasmic amount of speed.
Is that why you don’t see not one pro in the world riding them? Because they are that good huh? Save your garbage pitch pal. Tomo and firewire have been pushing hype and nonsense for years now it’s obvious by the lack of pros that ride these trash bag boards
@@ETYSURF the boards are trash and they look like trash tell yourself whatever you want. If you need a board that looks like a wake board to be able to hold a line or make a section then ride a mid length until your skills are good enough to ride a short board. Ugly little over priced boards and btw I highly doubt they improve your surfing and I love how you actually called yourself a consumer. What a kook
Obviously you haven't ridden a Tomo. If you're a pro, good luck to you and your sponsors. If you're not, get a Tomo. But you sound like a kook to me.@@michaelb7864
I'm 60 and ride a 5' 11' Evo. It changed my surfing for the better too. I have a 6' 4" Cymatic as a step up (probably a tad too long). Both boards are brilliant. @michaelb7864 Have you ridden Tomos? I was sceptical at first but they are great boards. See if you can get hold of one from a mate and give it a go.
I'm a huge fan of Tomo's shapes, I never had a Vader, but the Vanguard was one of my all time favorite surfboards and changed the way I look at surfboards (those oulines made total sense after reading "Naval architecture of planning hulls" by Lindsay Lord), but the fastest surfboard I've ever had or ridden, was in my opinion the Vampirate Inflatable Mattress.
Looks a bit similar to the el tomo quad, which was the hardest board to surf that I've ever had. Not enough rail line, and very unpredictable in turns/transitions
I have a Vader v1 and Vanguard. It is not surfing. Riding these boards is a whole different dimension of wave riding. It is not surfing. It is better than surfing. It will make you rethink what you think you know about surfing. I know where I’d put a spare $1500 if I had it laying around.
You should add some gold dark art like tarot cards.. mystic symbols a sun a moon.. reminds me the shape of my kitesurfing board... love it.. it's all about style.. beautiful sublime
"The symmetry of the shape." Tomo says explains the nose shape ... but a surfboard goes in one direction nearly always, so the flow of water is nearly always nose-to-tail, entry, gathering, then later release off the back - therefore, there's a real difference between nose and tail as per water flow and release - hence surfboards are mostly non-symmetrical nose to tail so as to attempt to maximise good entry and then the different physics of release. Fins are at the back after all. Nobody wants fins at the front "for symmetry". So I don't see the argument for the value of symmetry - that's just an aesthetic decision that risks catchy corners at the front of the board. (otherwise we love Tomo's experiments - keep 'em coming)
The rail line is symmetrical to the front of the board, which does matter. The Vader's rail line starts where you would typically be about 2/3rds or 3/4ths the way up the board. That makes the overall rail line both shorter and straighter. Also the symmetry matters more when you are paddling because you have a larger amount of foam forward under your chest, helping your paddle power, but without changing where the wide point of the board is which will change how it surfs. Remember, surfboard design isn't just about how water flows over the board. Its also about weight distribution, foil and buoyancy. A symmetrical shape like this will eliminate useless swing weight at the far end of the board, increase the amount of foam under your chest (in comparison to a similar sized "traditional" board), keep the rail line symmetrical and the wide point in the center. All of that matters and none of it has anything to do with how the water moves under the board when you are riding it. Symmetry does do something. Now, does it actually need to be a diamond to achieve all of the above? No. It doesn't. A blunt nose like the Omni or Evo would have worked just as well, but its the same for every surfboard. The very front of all of them is simply a matter of aesthetics. The pointy nose on a shortboard doesn't do anything. Really, in the vast majority of circumstances the forward 1/3rd of a board doesn't even come into contact with the water when its being ridden. Why are pointy noses better than diamonds?
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:20 *Version deux du Vader, une refonte du design original avec une technologie en fibre de carbone Dark Arts.* 00:33 *Nouveau contour inférieur en double concave se fondant dans une surface plane quadruple concave, offrant une excellente adhérence et contrôle.* 01:06 *Le design asymétrique du nez en diamant contribue à une répartition équilibrée de la surface, assurant une vitesse de planage et de pagaie efficace.* 02:14 *Technologie en fibre de carbone Dark Arts : légèreté, robustesse et réactivité exceptionnelles.* 02:56 *L'expérience de surf sur cette planche est intuitive, offrant une vitesse et un contrôle sans précédent, avec une grande polyvalence dans les mouvements.* Made with HARPA AI
Shhhhh you are going to expose firewire and tomo secrets to selling trash boards to clueless kooks. This has been there plan from start over hype boards and make the public think they can do things other boards can’t. Firewire and Tomo are garbage trash peddlers
My old Cymatic was the fastest board I ever surfed, to a fault almost. My big question regarding this board is does it retain the rocker of a larger board, only with the first 12 - 16 inches chopped off, or does it shorten the rocker, commiserate with the short length of the board?
If it's anything like the older version of the Vader, there is not much rocker. Would have less rocker than the Cymatic. You ride the board so short that most of the reasons you'd add rocker to a normal shortboard do not apply. I ride a 5'7" Cymatic but my Vader is 5'4". Maybe with the full length vee on the V2 you'd want to ride it longer? Dunno.
The double concave running though is nothing new, i was ridding one back in 89 ( Before you were born most likely ) Material technology may have improved but old tech revamped a bit
Its not a full length double concave, its a V bottom flowing into a double concave, then a quad concave through the fins. Ive never seen a board like that, ever.
Damien Brawner and Brad Domke colab A few years ago right when Covid started they made the Domke brand and Brad rode a wave on the board Damien shaped 70 foot at Jaws a Skim board no fins that’s the fastest board in the world.
Just ride one... Youll go Fast and you'll have more fun... Then you'll think-- who cares how it works, it just flat our works and you'll smile a lot more too
It is to the kooks that listen to the garbage that firewire and Tomo peddle. They are the most lying and trash peddling surf companies and shapers to exist. What else would you expect from this guy? Every board he’s ever shaped he and or firewire claim is the best or fastest or whatever most surfboard on the planet. Utter trash snake oil salesman
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The Vader 2.0 is pretty sick! I've had mine for about 2 weeks and I've ridden it in small Oceanside mushy to OH hollow beachies. Still peeling back the layers on this one, but feeling really good so far! ⚡⚡⚡⚡ 🤘
Life changing board for me. The OG Vader incredible. A board every skater who surfs should have…
I know what you mean. When I rode my 5'6"x19 1/2" twin fish for the 1st time, there was no going back!
I once bought a deck that was too big for me, snapped the nose off in a session on a dry shorey, and it ended up looking like this thing and rode 100 times better. I left it snapped until it got waterlogged, took a few months but it was cool while it lasted. Rode better than what i bought it like.
I dont doubt you are onto something. I'd luv to ride this thing.
The wide nose is super helpful in paddling. I made a 6’0 board with a nose from a 9’0 longboard and a pin tail from a skimboard, and it’s still my favorite to ride. Paddling in is amazing because you can really lean into the nose section when paddling in, and rather than pushing water, it just pops up and planes more and more as you gain speed. The result is that you catch waves way earlier than others around you giving a bit of an advantage in the paddle-battles, or just an easier/earlier paddle in on days when you’re by yourself.
Stoked to hear this board is being made. My old Vader was awesome. I took it to the Southern Attolls as a back up board two years ago and ended up riding it every day in the really big stuff. I've had it repaired so many times it barely floats but my 12 year old is now on it. I'm a big fan.
Ha! My 6 year old is now on my 10 year old multi repaired vanguard. She loves it!
Yeah Boys! Great video on the updated design of the BEST surfboard I have ever owned and I've owned a LOT! Love you guys and Daniel's shaping is truly revolutionary!
Been riding 2 Vaders for 8 yrs now, 5’6 for anything up to double overhead and 5’7 on big days. Not a high performance board or the best board I’ve surfed, but hands down the best all rounder I’ve owned in my 40yrs of surfing. Some mates bought one because of me, but none of them stuck to it. Takes time to dial into it, but once you do, they’re amazing. Mine are now battered, so would love a few PU replacements, if only they were affordable!
had the vader version 1 , excellent board , glad its been revamped , especially in the carbon , better than the discoloured firewire tech.
That is sweet. I was wanting to experiment with bottom channel like that and putting snowboard style shape on the rails. Symmetry is needed for next gen airs. Very cool.
I can't vouch enough for these boards, full on changed my surfing. You can put it where ever you want and has the drive of a fucking lambo. Push through your turns and just get an orgasmic amount of speed.
Is that why you don’t see not one pro in the world riding them? Because they are that good huh? Save your garbage pitch pal. Tomo and firewire have been pushing hype and nonsense for years now it’s obvious by the lack of pros that ride these trash bag boards
@@michaelb7864 We’re not pros. That’s why they’re so good for us consumers because it enables us to go further than our non-pro technique allows.
@@ETYSURF the boards are trash and they look like trash tell yourself whatever you want. If you need a board that looks like a wake board to be able to hold a line or make a section then ride a mid length until your skills are good enough to ride a short board. Ugly little over priced boards and btw I highly doubt they improve your surfing and I love how you actually called yourself a consumer. What a kook
Obviously you haven't ridden a Tomo. If you're a pro, good luck to you and your sponsors. If you're not, get a Tomo. But you sound like a kook to me.@@michaelb7864
I'm 60 and ride a 5' 11' Evo. It changed my surfing for the better too. I have a 6' 4" Cymatic as a step up (probably a tad too long). Both boards are brilliant. @michaelb7864 Have you ridden Tomos? I was sceptical at first but they are great boards. See if you can get hold of one from a mate and give it a go.
I'm a huge fan of Tomo's shapes, I never had a Vader, but the Vanguard was one of my all time favorite surfboards and changed the way I look at surfboards (those oulines made total sense after reading "Naval architecture of planning hulls" by Lindsay Lord), but the fastest surfboard I've ever had or ridden, was in my opinion the Vampirate Inflatable Mattress.
I still surf my old Vangard. Stable and fast. This new Vadar looks great.
Vanguard was the fastest Tomo ever--- could this be faster, yet more maneuverable? hmmmmm?
It should be by the looks of it. I mostly surf my Vangard on down-the-line speed demon waves.@@TheSchmuel
Looks a bit similar to the el tomo quad, which was the hardest board to surf that I've ever had. Not enough rail line, and very unpredictable in turns/transitions
Kiteboards have been like that for over 20yrs
I have an original Vader. It absolutely rips. If I break it, I am absolutely going to pick up a V2
I have a Vader v1 and Vanguard. It is not surfing. Riding these boards is a whole different dimension of wave riding. It is not surfing. It is better than surfing. It will make you rethink what you think you know about surfing. I know where I’d put a spare $1500 if I had it laying around.
Wow - It looks like it's 20 years ahead in the future.
I bet Tomo sure is glad I showed him the Gemini Speed Freak at the 2009 Sacred Craft .
Love it. Wish I could afford 😮
You should add some gold dark art like tarot cards.. mystic symbols a sun a moon.. reminds me the shape of my kitesurfing board... love it.. it's all about style.. beautiful sublime
"The symmetry of the shape." Tomo says explains the nose shape ... but a surfboard goes in one direction nearly always, so the flow of water is nearly always nose-to-tail, entry, gathering, then later release off the back - therefore, there's a real difference between nose and tail as per water flow and release - hence surfboards are mostly non-symmetrical nose to tail so as to attempt to maximise good entry and then the different physics of release. Fins are at the back after all. Nobody wants fins at the front "for symmetry". So I don't see the argument for the value of symmetry - that's just an aesthetic decision that risks catchy corners at the front of the board. (otherwise we love Tomo's experiments - keep 'em coming)
The rail line is symmetrical to the front of the board, which does matter. The Vader's rail line starts where you would typically be about 2/3rds or 3/4ths the way up the board. That makes the overall rail line both shorter and straighter. Also the symmetry matters more when you are paddling because you have a larger amount of foam forward under your chest, helping your paddle power, but without changing where the wide point of the board is which will change how it surfs. Remember, surfboard design isn't just about how water flows over the board. Its also about weight distribution, foil and buoyancy.
A symmetrical shape like this will eliminate useless swing weight at the far end of the board, increase the amount of foam under your chest (in comparison to a similar sized "traditional" board), keep the rail line symmetrical and the wide point in the center. All of that matters and none of it has anything to do with how the water moves under the board when you are riding it. Symmetry does do something.
Now, does it actually need to be a diamond to achieve all of the above? No. It doesn't. A blunt nose like the Omni or Evo would have worked just as well, but its the same for every surfboard. The very front of all of them is simply a matter of aesthetics. The pointy nose on a shortboard doesn't do anything. Really, in the vast majority of circumstances the forward 1/3rd of a board doesn't even come into contact with the water when its being ridden. Why are pointy noses better than diamonds?
Looks sick Tomo , are custom boards a go.
I’d love to try one with a kite. Is the construction thick enough for a heavier dude to kite on?
Wasn’t Stu Kennedy riding a board like this in heats like 9 years ago?
Stu was on the Sci-Fi
Doubt it.
Stu rode the OG Vader at a comp in Huntington Beach before he rode the Sci-fi…..
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🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:20 *Version deux du Vader, une refonte du design original avec une technologie en fibre de carbone Dark Arts.*
00:33 *Nouveau contour inférieur en double concave se fondant dans une surface plane quadruple concave, offrant une excellente adhérence et contrôle.*
01:06 *Le design asymétrique du nez en diamant contribue à une répartition équilibrée de la surface, assurant une vitesse de planage et de pagaie efficace.*
02:14 *Technologie en fibre de carbone Dark Arts : légèreté, robustesse et réactivité exceptionnelles.*
02:56 *L'expérience de surf sur cette planche est intuitive, offrant une vitesse et un contrôle sans précédent, avec une grande polyvalence dans les mouvements.*
Made with HARPA AI
This thing moves like a skimboard unreal!
A good surfer will always make a board look good but that does look quick & manoeuvrable
Shhhhh you are going to expose firewire and tomo secrets to selling trash boards to clueless kooks. This has been there plan from start over hype boards and make the public think they can do things other boards can’t. Firewire and Tomo are garbage trash peddlers
Wow 🤯 love it 🤩
My old Cymatic was the fastest board I ever surfed, to a fault almost. My big question regarding this board is does it retain the rocker of a larger board, only with the first 12 - 16 inches chopped off, or does it shorten the rocker, commiserate with the short length of the board?
If it's anything like the older version of the Vader, there is not much rocker. Would have less rocker than the Cymatic. You ride the board so short that most of the reasons you'd add rocker to a normal shortboard do not apply. I ride a 5'7" Cymatic but my Vader is 5'4". Maybe with the full length vee on the V2 you'd want to ride it longer? Dunno.
We should all give props to 50 50 wave skates Ben Wei shaper watermen artist or we would not have new shapers like this pushing the boundaries
Will this be made as a Kite version?
That’d make a sick kiteboard
Hows it work at crowded Pipe ?
sandwich some light weight kevlar on the deck and rails ... what core is it? firewire?
What do you recommend the hight this board be ridden at ?
The double concave running though is nothing new, i was ridding one back in 89 ( Before you were born most likely )
Material technology may have improved but old tech revamped a bit
Its not a full length double concave, its a V bottom flowing into a double concave, then a quad concave through the fins. Ive never seen a board like that, ever.
Like a wake / kite / long range cruise missile!
Damien Brawner and Brad Domke colab A few years ago right when Covid started they made the Domke brand and Brad rode a wave on the board Damien shaped 70 foot at Jaws a Skim board no fins that’s the fastest board in the world.
I WANT ONE!!! 🤙🌊
Yeah...like it
Bigger waves?
Huh? All surfboards go the same speed. The speed of the wave that is pushing it.
No,wrong !
I'm in!
can you prove this claim.?
The claim would imply a lower drag ratio than other shapes. I would argue this isn't demonstrable.
Just ride one... Youll go Fast and you'll have more fun... Then you'll think-- who cares how it works, it just flat our works and you'll smile a lot more too
Looks like my wakeskate
All good until a steep drop
I want one.
So buy one don’t post your kook comments and then not spend over $1k to get a kook board put your money where your mouth is go buy this hipster trash
Christian Bale is a shaper too?
No ski 140 km ,, no surf, nunca medi a velocidade,,mas duvido que seja melhor que a minha JS,,
its almost like the surfing is 30years behind windsurfing but surfing started 100years earlyier and is 1000times bigger. so strange
Why?
I want
Strong and light is high performance 😂😂😂😂
Send me one!
What’s your address?
Ryan Burchs boards are clearly the fastest surfboards on Earth.
I'd prefer a rounded nose for more efficient entry and paddling. The idea of making it symmetrical with the tail is nonsense.
Looks almost too fast lol
Are you a science board fan?
What about us fat old guys?
I shaped a board like this and pumped it out to 24x4 x 6’ super fun 😂
Lose weight
quad no no no.... needs to be thruster
Quads are much faster on these shapes
I ride mine as a thruster and it works very well!
It’s not worth the money.
It is to the kooks that listen to the garbage that firewire and Tomo peddle. They are the most lying and trash peddling surf companies and shapers to exist. What else would you expect from this guy? Every board he’s ever shaped he and or firewire claim is the best or fastest or whatever most surfboard on the planet. Utter trash snake oil salesman
I think it is! I've never had a board that felt this good. Worth every penny IMO.
@@DeforestLCooper what about looking like a donkey when your up on your feet on a wake board is that worth the money?
@@michaelb7864 That's free for everyone! 😆🤙
@@DeforestLCooper I got two PU boards that goes faster and last way longer for the same price 🫨