Only way I understand the lever guns is that certain calibers natively beat Lv3 body armor. I’ve no actual experience in this regard. But I can’t imagine those plates do well against green tips either so 🤷🏼♂️
@@lukepoplawski3230 speed defeats body armor, and a 45-70 doesn’t have much, also the blunt nose of the bullets that are required when stacking them in a tube doesn’t help either
@tfbtv as a former sig employee I have tons of people that still work there telling me qc on these is a nightmare which doesn't really make much sense but hey that's sig for ya. That cerakote will probably rub off in a month's time
They really don't need to do much. Tell Magpul to make a Hunter stock for it, sell it with that. Slap a pic rail and maybe even an RMR cut on top. Modify it to take AR mags. Keep price 800-1000 bucks. Done.
@@jeffreybrooks8643 Why on Earth would they rid themselves of the most reliable source of post-ISP revenue? Do you know how Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler? He made it so things like transmission fluid were proprietary to Chrysler vehicles, so you'd need to either get your car serviced in their dealerships, or buy your fluids and other goods from their Mopar shops. Letting customers get their supplies and service from anyone was just letting money walk out the door, so he closed the door and had their bailout paid off in two years. Ruger knows what they're doing to run their business successfully, and part of that is not letting money walk out the door by ditching a superior magazine so you can use whatever crud you want. Mini-14 mags are expensive, but they're also something you buy for life and can abuse to hell without breaking it. You don't like AR mags because they're good, you like AR mags because they're cheap. If you look at steel (not aluminum, steel) AR mags, they're priced in the same ballpark as Mini-14 mags. On top of that, when you buy them, that money is going to Ruger, not some third party. It's been getting on my nerves over the past few years that people who have no idea how to actually run a profitable business go on every gun space and yell the same tired sound byte that if Ruger made the Mini-14 take AR mags, they'd sell more. That would be enticing if every one that gets produced wasn't already getting sold as soon as it hits the shelf somewhere. Every one of those is causing sales of additional magazines. Why would they kill the goose that's actively laying golden eggs?
@@jeffreybrooks8643 Not really possible to make it use AR mags without changing the whole mag lock design. They could probably make it use HK33, Galil, or AK-101 mags but I think those are even more rare
11:31 - James, the main issue is the marketing with cowboys, and ranch hands....offering a $3000 dollar rifle when the competition is offering sub $1000 rifles.
I’m a farmer. And a gun enthusiast and a big sig fan. But why market a rifle that cost 3k to hard working guys who could go buy a Henry lever gun for $900 or a Ruger ranch hand for even cheaper. There’s no reason for this gun at all. It’s ridiculous
They just took an MCX and put a Mossberg stock on it and think ranchers and farmers will buy it. Sig is very dumb. Why would a farmer buy this instead of a BCM or DD AR15. Or just a regular MCX, I’m waiting.
This keeps coming up, and it makes me laugh. Of COURSE it's not legitimately being marketed to actual ranchers. It is a softened image for marketing in non-free states to avoid drawing unwanted scrutiny.
Who said this was decent? Seems like it met all the expectations of a great ranch rifle. Wouldn't get one myself living in TX but I can see the appeal especially for those in states where regular ars are illegal
@@Shake688in most states where a regular AR is illegal, threaded barrels on semi auto, center fire rifles are also illegal. So it fails to get around restrictions at all.
As someone who used to live in a restrictive state (California), the folks who now have access to a MCX could care less about the aesthetics. Especially compared to the featureless monstrosities in their safe already.
@@kevinbenedict1422 It's the tacticool hardos that've never fired one and just keep regurgitating what other 19 year olds on the internet say. And they clearly get butthurt about not being able to mount 37 accessories to the forend of it. That's why the old statement about them being inaccurate just won't die, even though Ruger changed the barrel profile well over 15 years ago. And the only reason the old ones got the bad rep is because nobody knows how to properly handle a pencil profile barrel and has unrealistic expectations on what useful real-world accuracy is for something like that. Everyone, and I'm not exaggerating, that has handled my Mini loves it. It's a blast to fire. I added a barrel stabilizer and a Hannibal rail with an RMR cut (these also come with slots to mount a light/laser if you want one) and run a pistol reflex on it.
Yup, if the internet wants to know what ugly looks like they need to look at what AR-15 rifles look like in California and other heavily restrictive states.
@@kevinbenedict1422 as someone who grew up in california and was around before there was work arounds to obtaining regular AR's/AK's the reason I don't like the Mini-14 is because I hate the california government and the Mini-14 shouldn't be my only option. That's why I still have no desire for Mini-14's. Call me stupid, it's just a desire to want to own the "real thing" and not just what is allowed. Great rifle, nothing against it, just not for me.
One comment came to my mind that one plant manager said during a technical meeting, "I really appreciate your work and effort into this, but I don't like it."
I like this trend, your video on mini-14 home defenders getting less prison time than AR-15 home defenders has made me want an SCR or just an AR with a traditional rifle stock. It would be nice to see some new options for traditional stock ARs.
Someone forgot to remind SIG that guns in anti gun states get extra expensive due to permits, ammo background checks, etc. so making a rather pricey rifle designed to accommodate anti gun states is a bigger downside than you think.
@@jsirius94I was gonna say idk/think about it would be legal in Illinois. Not even sure if a non threaded version would be legal because it has a full handguard -Illinois law is extremely confusing with that-
Californians will buy this without a second thought. They spend $2M on a 2000 sq ft house with no yard. Drive a Tesla and Porsche, and own a Volvo SUV "just in case." And threaded barrels are legal on rifles in CA.
First tip for cool firearms: Don't be poor. Side note: Fightlite needs to step up their "SCR" production and lower their price. They could outsell the Sig with clever marketing.
Second tip, don't be a sucker. The Fonz was cool according to a lot of people too. Even though he lived over someone's garage, had two changes of clothes and banged highschoolers.
I don't think it looks ugly... But for 3500, I think there are much better options even in ban states. Living in a gun-friendly state 3500 could get something better and as reliable, plus an optic, plus a suppressor, plus a weapon light and still have money for some ammo
For anti-free states, it's good. However, the price. Geez.
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It helps that people in most anti-gun states make more money on average. I have to assume this is the reason for the outrageous price. Someone in CA, CT, MA, NY, etc given the options (Mini-14, Fightlite SCR) might shell out the $3K. Not me...
Fightlite SCR is cheaper, BRN-180 even less, and the FM-15 is cheaper still. I think the Sig is cool, just too damn expensive when good alternatives exists for way less.
James, don't forget about the SU16. It would be cool if you got one of those and maybe see what you could do to upgrade it. See how far you could push it and how it performs.
Mini 14, m1 carbine, m1 garand, Ruger pc carbine, SKS, saiga hunter stock AK. All universally seen positively. Mcx-R ? Apparently the worst thing to ever exist.
It’s worst when it comes to pricing. Still haven’t heard arguments for why it’s worth the $3K+ price tag compared to the alternatives you’ve already listed. Heck, a Springfield M1A looks downright affordable compared to the Regulator.
My first thought when I saw this gun was of my Mini 14. I love that rifle, but most do not. So I’m happy to have another non-AR 223 semiauto. And I trust Sig to do it right.
Yeah, I agree that Sig should make it more like an AK, they already started with the safety, so they may as well continue with the mag release and charging handle.
I'll give Sig credit for trying to get into the ban state market. They recently got a variant of the p365 on the California safe handgun roster and they license they p320 FCU to Franklin Armory to put in single shot frames
I own the OG gen 1 SCR and the 14 lb trigger and it has as much resistance as pulling a brick through colonoscopy. I swear it feels like a 30lb trigger
It's a ranch rifle, not a close-quarter combat gun. The position of the mag release is WAY down on the list of priorities in such a gun used for hunting/plinking. BUT.... the price of such a gun should be way high on the list of desirable features, which this, of course, fails at its current msrp of THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
In my specific banned state of CT, long guns can have threaded barrels legally without concern. However, CT law does ban semiautomatic long guns w/ flash hiders specifically. But oversight allows for compensators.
I'd rather take the Regulator or the SCR because they can take some AR parts over the Mini 14. Even with the grip position switched, I still perfer the AR controls.
James' sense of humor compels me to watch his videos. Sig's rising profile and performance in the industry lately compeled me to watch this one. But this video reinforced my fondness (fetish) of Ruger's Mini (.223/5.56, 300BO & 7.62x39).
Well you could get the fightlite SCR lower and then put on a side charge handle AR upper or any other standard AR upper and fix the handling issues. Cool gun nice looks.
You do you James. If you want to pretend to be Luke Skywalker scaring the sand people away from Uncle Owen's farm, be my guest. As for me, this gun brings back ugly memories of the days of the assault weapons ban, when manufacturers were removing pistol grips, bayonet lugs, and whatever else they needed to in order to comply with the new law.
Is it just me who doesnt found 1.5 moa that impressive ? Specially when shooting 77 grains from 1/7 barrel. Piston operated is only small part. Must have either bad barrel or otherwise loose tolerances. Would be more acceptable from gun which cost 1/3 of price but this just doesnt sound good at all.
honestly, drop the price by a grand and a half and I'm there. It's at least something different than whatever multitude of variant of AR/pistol grip rifle is out there right now. Variety is good! That being said, the price is really the problem, although folks here in ban states would prefer it to a weird pistol grip rifle configuration and could pay for it (they generally do make more money). There is actually competition here in this category now though. -FM15 Ranch Rifle with a side charging handle that can also take BRN-180 uppers. -SCR lower that you can pair with your favorite AR upper. -Mini 14/Thirty. Proven Design. -For a larger bore, M1A. -For budget options (and if you can find them), Kel-Tec's SU-16 and RDB Hunter. All of them for around a grand or so, if not cheaper. Sig being a large company helps, but Ruger, Kel-Tec and Springfield are those as well. The MCX is the best rifle, but like the XM8 vs the M4/M16, is it that much more better than say a Mini-14 to justify a 2 grand increase in price?
Not bad for banned states that don't have many choices, but the price point is discouraging. Also some cites/states you can't have a threaded barrel, or any sort of break or flash hider.
I don't think that people hate the rifle. Sig is just insane with the MSRP on this rifle. How can the Spear LT be cheaper? It just seems that Sig is trying to recoup their costs on the Government contract by raping the civilian market. There are better options out there at a much affordable price.
Foxtrot Mike has a "Ranch Gun" just like this... with a intermediate length gas piston system, side charging handle, and compatibility with Magpull shotgun stocks. It costs about $1000. Admittedly it lacks other MCX compatibility - but still.
Tacticooling old designs is like getting a boob job. The tactical lever gun is the highest rated plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills. DDs with just the perfect amount of give to look real with no scars showing. The Regulator was some Hispanic dude behind a Wendy's with one of their plastic forks. One nipple looking at your left foot and one nipple staring at the corner of the ceiling.
It's literally just an mcx with a different stock... you aren't losing basically anything you'd get on a normal mcx. Can you not just be happy that banned states can have an mcx?
@@JTheraos The stock is a big part of the original design, if they change it then the ergos change. Now you have awkward reloads and looser cheek weld. It doesn't do anything the SCR doesn't do and is heavier and loses compatibility for the vast range of AR uppers. Moreover the Regulator isn't even designed for all ban states, it's marketed for the Californians because of the muzzle brake. Shooters in NY (and probably others) still can't use it from the factory without having to pin and weld a thread protector. I'm happy that it exists, maybe just so that other competition will pop up for ban states.
I don’t like the price, it’d also be better neat if they had shorter barrel configurations; the 16” protruding out isn’t bad but it’s look neater if less exposed. But then, you worry about the NFA, maybe a little bit longer hand guard, I do like the 16” barrel because it’s a nice in between length.
PSA are kinda dicks and wont ship to a lot of ban states (like mine) so the Regulator and FM-15 Ranch Rifle are about the only decent options we folk get.
0:21 "Don't let people on the internet tell you what's cool and what's not cool". That's the same self affirmation James has to recite in the mirror when he puts on his wife's shorts.
I like it, if Sig wants to make it more ranch rifleish they could add a wooden stock and some sort of wooden foregrip. This is definitely a great option for restricted states to include mine, CT. The price is going to be a major problem for Sig. So when are you going to do a MAC M4 clone burn down😂?
This gun kind of encapsulates sig's most recent designs. Works purely on systems previously tested and developed, with overlapping features (like double charging handles, ar15 stocks on bufferless systems, hammer fired bore axis on a striker system.. ). Some would call it design by comittee.
I used to have an AK. I liked it a lot. I've never really been interested in the ARs. I saw the Regulator for the first time about a week ago. I fell in love at first sight! I choked when I saw the price but dreams are free, at least until the government figures out how to tax them! By the way, who is Paul Cooper? Did you mean Gary Cooper?
Given the overall reliability issues I'm seeing come up in the forums with Sigs various MCX offerings, and their penchant for changing the design without so much as rev change to alert potential buyers, and the absurd price point, it's a hard pass. Just because they bribed military officials to get contracts doesn't mean they make good reliable stuff. I mean come on, does anyone really believe an M17 is better than an M9/A3 ?
Puzzling that there’s no model with an unthreaded barrel. I’m an NYC resident, will likely purchase one and have a gunsmith modify, if one isn’t released in the next few months.
The price point is a bit higher than I can afford. The platform itself is fantastic. Fight Lite has been making this version for years. They sell the serialized lower, and you can choose from different uppers or use compatible AR uppers. The price is climbing on them too.
Big fan of semi-pistol grips. There’s like two intermediate caliber, box mag fed, semi-automatic rifles. The Mini-14, and the SU-16. At least this is number three.
SIG does the FightLite SCR/Foxtrot Mike Ranch rifle for almost 2.5x the price. My preference is the side charging Foxtrot Mike but more options in this style is a good thing.
I might be losing my mind, but are you measuring those groups edge-to-edge w.r.t the holes? It sure looks like it on the video. If that's how you're doing it, then they're even better than you think - the standard is center-to-center (or edge-to-edge and take off the diameter of the bullet). That 1.2 inch group actually might be a
The problem I have is that it's a parts bin rifle, for bespoke rifle prices. I mean, sure, if you're in California, great, but for everyone else, for what reason would you buy this over literally anything else? I'd rather buy 5 $700 AR's than one of these for $3500. It's not even about affordability anymore, it's just trying to part idiots from their money.
The wrist area is such an awkward design thanks to the obviously excess length. It reminds me very much the Ruger PC Charger and the chassis version of PC Carbine that uses the same parts. When I look at it as a designer, I see that it is difficult to come up with a less awkward, lighter, shorter alternative. But it leaves a sense of great dissatisfaction all the same. N.B. Ruger went the opposite direction: from a conventional stock to the pistol grip. But it encountered the same design challenge.
0 seconds ago Just to be clear... A $3000 doesn't help people in ban states (I live in MA). It's too much money for a normal gun guy to get it which means it doesn't move the needle. All of Sig's MCX line models fall into this I believe.
i dont know , but i like the grip and stock like that . Maybe because i had success with that kind of stock and grips more than vertical ones. Also gives me m14 vibes so i like it . i would love to see how accurate is with the 7.62 ammo .
There are at least two options available for half the price from decent companies. While I get some people's "why", still I must ask, why? WHY AT THE PRICE?!
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I stand by the meme, the Regulator is the ugliest gun of 2024.
Also I hate "modernized" lever guns, so at least it's ideologically consistent.
Only way I understand the lever guns is that certain calibers natively beat Lv3 body armor. I’ve no actual experience in this regard. But I can’t imagine those plates do well against green tips either so 🤷🏼♂️
Naw fam, the POF Tombstone still takes the cake
"modernized" lever guns? More like the devolution of MCX for more $$$.
I agree on both points. The concept is fine, but the execution and price is not.
@@lukepoplawski3230 speed defeats body armor, and a 45-70 doesn’t have much, also the blunt nose of the bullets that are required when stacking them in a tube doesn’t help either
If you see someone with this at the range, be sure to ask them if it's a Kel-Tec SU-16
LMAO. Will do.
Love the chaotic energy!
"You had it custom cerakoted and ditched the folding stock huh?"
The regulator is easier to find than the SU-16.
jokes on you su 16s are way more rare
I just hate the price
Yeaaaahh I get it. I think Sig would sell a buttload of complete lowers if they would package them separately though.
@tfbtv as a former sig employee I have tons of people that still work there telling me qc on these is a nightmare which doesn't really make much sense but hey that's sig for ya. That cerakote will probably rub off in a month's time
I live in Ct. I got a Fightlite lower with a bcm upper for half the price
Well sig hates you
It makes the Fightlite SCR look much better at $1300
>3000 price tag in ban states
"why aren't we selling many of these? people must not want a rifle like this"
The FM-15 Ranch Rifle is a fraction of the cost
Also has a threaded barrel which means its probably a no-go in most ban states anyways.
Paddle mag release, side charging handle and a grand shaved off the price and I’m there
That would be the Foxtrot Mike version that came out last year.
Yeah. I could get behind that
@@mrrustygrayI looked that up, doesn’t have the paddle mag release or a side charging handle so not really
@@chancehunter1947 FM mostly does side chargers, look a little harder.
That's just a mini-14
Perfect rifle to mount up on a mission to find Warren G.
Also very silly to not offer a non threaded barrel version for stricter ban states
With sixteen in the clip & one in the hole?
Gotta be handy with the steel earn your keep!
It was a clear black night, a clear white moon …
Gun was made for CA. muzzle brakes are legal.
Yeah would the non threaded variant that’s coming down the line be legal In Illinois anybody know?
Oof! That price. Hopefully this will inspire Ruger to make a “modernized” mini 14 ranch rifle.
They really don't need to do much.
Tell Magpul to make a Hunter stock for it, sell it with that. Slap a pic rail and maybe even an RMR cut on top. Modify it to take AR mags. Keep price 800-1000 bucks.
Done.
Be really nice if Ruger modernized the Mini 14 to use a non-proprietary magazine.
@@jeffreybrooks8643 Why on Earth would they rid themselves of the most reliable source of post-ISP revenue? Do you know how Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler? He made it so things like transmission fluid were proprietary to Chrysler vehicles, so you'd need to either get your car serviced in their dealerships, or buy your fluids and other goods from their Mopar shops. Letting customers get their supplies and service from anyone was just letting money walk out the door, so he closed the door and had their bailout paid off in two years. Ruger knows what they're doing to run their business successfully, and part of that is not letting money walk out the door by ditching a superior magazine so you can use whatever crud you want. Mini-14 mags are expensive, but they're also something you buy for life and can abuse to hell without breaking it. You don't like AR mags because they're good, you like AR mags because they're cheap. If you look at steel (not aluminum, steel) AR mags, they're priced in the same ballpark as Mini-14 mags. On top of that, when you buy them, that money is going to Ruger, not some third party. It's been getting on my nerves over the past few years that people who have no idea how to actually run a profitable business go on every gun space and yell the same tired sound byte that if Ruger made the Mini-14 take AR mags, they'd sell more. That would be enticing if every one that gets produced wasn't already getting sold as soon as it hits the shelf somewhere. Every one of those is causing sales of additional magazines. Why would they kill the goose that's actively laying golden eggs?
Yes! Ruger needs to make a compatible stock for other mags.
@@jeffreybrooks8643 Not really possible to make it use AR mags without changing the whole mag lock design. They could probably make it use HK33, Galil, or AK-101 mags but I think those are even more rare
If only Mini 14 with AR mag, will definitely win over Regulator
Man that would be so great
But nothing in this world is perfect
I'm glad you snuck in the Regulators joke at the end 😂. It needed to be done.
Mount up, James, mount up.
$3 grand for a ranch rifle. Guess that’s the results of a booming economy lol.
Nah that's just the sig markup
@@TheBoss10725why not both?
Sig's quality nosedives and their prices skyrocket as soon as they get involved heavily with the government. Shocking.
I'm betting the retail price will be more around $2400-$2500.
Yeah, I don't know what's wrong with these clowns they think that everybody's doing great, not😅
SIG Europe: "I have no son..."
Technicly they are still owned by L&O holding which sits in germany. So yeah. Still a german company xD
Yet good luck getting a p365
which one, the german gun manufacturer that shut down 4 years ago? or the swiss industrial conglomerate that makes my milk packaging?
@@coolbean9880 look what the L&O holding owns... Blaser, Mauser, Sauer&Sohn, Sig Usa, Sig germany, gsg and a couple more manufacturers.
@@uwesca6263 and h&k is owned by a luxembourgish holding company called CDE, does that make it luxembourgish?
11:31 - James, the main issue is the marketing with cowboys, and ranch hands....offering a $3000 dollar rifle when the competition is offering sub $1000 rifles.
Whats a good option ?
I’m a farmer. And a gun enthusiast and a big sig fan. But why market a rifle that cost 3k to hard working guys who could go buy a Henry lever gun for $900 or a Ruger ranch hand for even cheaper. There’s no reason for this gun at all. It’s ridiculous
They just took an MCX and put a Mossberg stock on it and think ranchers and farmers will buy it. Sig is very dumb. Why would a farmer buy this instead of a BCM or DD AR15. Or just a regular MCX, I’m waiting.
This keeps coming up, and it makes me laugh. Of COURSE it's not legitimately being marketed to actual ranchers. It is a softened image for marketing in non-free states to avoid drawing unwanted scrutiny.
Foxtrot Ranch Lower with a BRN180 upper is the correct anwser.
SCR lower with ARAK21 or maybe a jakl upper don't know it that would fit
I had no idea that lower existed. I think these sort of guns done with unique furniture would look really good in a movie or something.
FlightLite SCR is the correct answer been around way longer than Foxtrot. Foxtrot copied their homework.
Faxon never has the ARAK21 systems in stock.
@@bobbob-g8p true I have 2 but when I ordered the 2nd it was over a year to get it
3000 should get you a much better rifle. Still a decent gun
Who said this was decent? Seems like it met all the expectations of a great ranch rifle. Wouldn't get one myself living in TX but I can see the appeal especially for those in states where regular ars are illegal
@@Shake688in most states where a regular AR is illegal, threaded barrels on semi auto, center fire rifles are also illegal. So it fails to get around restrictions at all.
As someone who used to live in a restrictive state (California), the folks who now have access to a MCX could care less about the aesthetics. Especially compared to the featureless monstrosities in their safe already.
Or they could get a Mini-14 and not worry about any of this. I will never understand the aversion some people have to such a fine rifle.
@@kevinbenedict1422 It's the tacticool hardos that've never fired one and just keep regurgitating what other 19 year olds on the internet say. And they clearly get butthurt about not being able to mount 37 accessories to the forend of it.
That's why the old statement about them being inaccurate just won't die, even though Ruger changed the barrel profile well over 15 years ago. And the only reason the old ones got the bad rep is because nobody knows how to properly handle a pencil profile barrel and has unrealistic expectations on what useful real-world accuracy is for something like that.
Everyone, and I'm not exaggerating, that has handled my Mini loves it. It's a blast to fire. I added a barrel stabilizer and a Hannibal rail with an RMR cut (these also come with slots to mount a light/laser if you want one) and run a pistol reflex on it.
Yup, if the internet wants to know what ugly looks like they need to look at what AR-15 rifles look like in California and other heavily restrictive states.
@@kevinbenedict1422 as someone who grew up in california and was around before there was work arounds to obtaining regular AR's/AK's the reason I don't like the Mini-14 is because I hate the california government and the Mini-14 shouldn't be my only option. That's why I still have no desire for Mini-14's. Call me stupid, it's just a desire to want to own the "real thing" and not just what is allowed. Great rifle, nothing against it, just not for me.
@@kevinbenedict1422 Proprietary magazines. I'm in a banned state but have preban mags.
One comment came to my mind that one plant manager said during a technical meeting, "I really appreciate your work and effort into this, but I don't like it."
I like this trend, your video on mini-14 home defenders getting less prison time than AR-15 home defenders has made me want an SCR or just an AR with a traditional rifle stock. It would be nice to see some new options for traditional stock ARs.
Someone forgot to remind SIG that guns in anti gun states get extra expensive due to permits, ammo background checks, etc. so making a rather pricey rifle designed to accommodate anti gun states is a bigger downside than you think.
very true
Also, it isn’t even a viable option in all the ban states because it’s threaded with a muzzle device!
@@jsirius94I was gonna say idk/think about it would be legal in Illinois. Not even sure if a non threaded version would be legal because it has a full handguard
-Illinois law is extremely confusing with that-
Californians will buy this without a second thought.
They spend $2M on a 2000 sq ft house with no yard. Drive a Tesla and Porsche, and own a Volvo SUV "just in case."
And threaded barrels are legal on rifles in CA.
@@jsirius94 In california surprisingly, as long as that muzzle device is a muzzle break you're good to go.
First tip for cool firearms: Don't be poor.
Side note: Fightlite needs to step up their "SCR" production and lower their price. They could outsell the Sig with clever marketing.
Exactly but they’ve gotten comfortable with their absurdly priced niche rifles
First tip for life: Don't be a sucker.
This is for suckers.
Second tip, don't be a sucker. The Fonz was cool according to a lot of people too. Even though he lived over someone's garage, had two changes of clothes and banged highschoolers.
@@bubbalawrence1 and as long as people keep buying them, Sig will keep making them and selling them at absurd prices.
Price is already 1/3 the sig on the fightlite.
I don't think it looks ugly... But for 3500, I think there are much better options even in ban states. Living in a gun-friendly state 3500 could get something better and as reliable, plus an optic, plus a suppressor, plus a weapon light and still have money for some ammo
Thank you for correctly using the singular form of criteria; criterion.
Isn’t this like a more expensive version of the Fightlite SCR?
For anti-free states, it's good. However, the price. Geez.
It helps that people in most anti-gun states make more money on average. I have to assume this is the reason for the outrageous price. Someone in CA, CT, MA, NY, etc given the options (Mini-14, Fightlite SCR) might shell out the $3K. Not me...
the price is an anti-free measure
Still won't be legal in Massachusetts it's patterned after the AR-15 therefore illegal unless they made it in 22lr
I feel like all the taxes and cost of living make that higher pay mean less though, no?
@@DevinAldenJesus, what can you actually own in Mass these days? A nerf gun?
Fightlite SCR is cheaper, BRN-180 even less, and the FM-15 is cheaper still. I think the Sig is cool, just too damn expensive when good alternatives exists for way less.
James, don't forget about the SU16. It would be cool if you got one of those and maybe see what you could do to upgrade it. See how far you could push it and how it performs.
Me: Hey this is a cool alternative to the Mini-14
Me: Checks MCX Regulator price
Me: Hello Mini-14♥
Mini 14, m1 carbine, m1 garand, Ruger pc carbine, SKS, saiga hunter stock AK.
All universally seen positively.
Mcx-R ? Apparently the worst thing to ever exist.
It’s worst when it comes to pricing. Still haven’t heard arguments for why it’s worth the $3K+ price tag compared to the alternatives you’ve already listed. Heck, a Springfield M1A looks downright affordable compared to the Regulator.
Cowboy Bebop.
Oh look another super leet tactical mainstream firearm company copying off of Keltec. Nothing to see here.
That’s so true!!
Except this one doesn't jam more than Smuckers.
@@mmclaurin8035 well considering the Keltec SU-16 was probably designed in 2002 and costs like $400..I sure hope the regulator works better
You know your gun sucks when the mini 14 makes more sense than it
A less accurate, less reliable rifle makes more sense than an mcx??
My first thought when I saw this gun was of my Mini 14. I love that rifle, but most do not. So I’m happy to have another non-AR 223 semiauto. And I trust Sig to do it right.
@@JTheraosSorry Charlie unless you're using s*** aftermarket magazines the Ruger mini-14 is no way less reliable
MCX’s are garbo. People are having handguards wiggle off our of the box. Cope harder its literally an ar18 in a flashy skin suit
@@JTheraosfor 1/4 the price, kinda yeh
Yeah, I agree that Sig should make it more like an AK, they already started with the safety, so they may as well continue with the mag release and charging handle.
I'll give Sig credit for trying to get into the ban state market. They recently got a variant of the p365 on the California safe handgun roster and they license they p320 FCU to Franklin Armory to put in single shot frames
I own the OG gen 1 SCR and the 14 lb trigger and it has as much resistance as pulling a brick through colonoscopy. I swear it feels like a 30lb trigger
This gave me a good snort
The zoolander in the coal mine line had me dieing
The Netflix AR
lmao
Where can we get the James Reeves magazine ?
It's a ranch rifle, not a close-quarter combat gun. The position of the mag release is WAY down on the list of priorities in such a gun used for hunting/plinking. BUT.... the price of such a gun should be way high on the list of desirable features, which this, of course, fails at its current msrp of THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I love it, and would totally get one, but that price tag....ouch. The Spear LT is less expensive.
It's almost legal in my state 😢😢 fuckin Washington. Can't wait to move.
Coming to Missouri? Could use a roommate whos about guns. Lol
I remember my Sgt Major used to brag about his crazy arsenal in Washington and made fun of California
In my specific banned state of CT, long guns can have threaded barrels legally without concern. However, CT law does ban semiautomatic long guns w/ flash hiders specifically. But oversight allows for compensators.
I'd rather take the Regulator or the SCR because they can take some AR parts over the Mini 14. Even with the grip position switched, I still perfer the AR controls.
James' sense of humor compels me to watch his videos. Sig's rising profile and performance in the industry lately compeled me to watch this one. But this video reinforced my fondness (fetish) of Ruger's Mini (.223/5.56, 300BO & 7.62x39).
i actually like this gun too. though they werent exactly first with this design. Fightlite came out with an AR lower that looks like this.
Well you could get the fightlite SCR lower and then put on a side charge handle AR upper or any other standard AR upper and fix the handling issues. Cool gun nice looks.
It sucks can’t take steel.
You do you James. If you want to pretend to be Luke Skywalker scaring the sand people away from Uncle Owen's farm, be my guest. As for me, this gun brings back ugly memories of the days of the assault weapons ban, when manufacturers were removing pistol grips, bayonet lugs, and whatever else they needed to in order to comply with the new law.
The second I heard the word “serenity”
🎶 YOU CANT TAKE THE SKY FROM ME 🎶
*comes deep from deep in my subconscious*
gotta respect their achievement in making the mini-14 more relevant in 2024
$3,000 for a beater ranch rifle, about sh*t my pants hearing that price for what you get.
What bothers me is, how often the springs on these Sigs turn into wet spaghetti.
Is it just me who doesnt found 1.5 moa that impressive ?
Specially when shooting 77 grains from 1/7 barrel.
Piston operated is only small part. Must have either bad barrel or otherwise loose tolerances.
Would be more acceptable from gun which cost 1/3 of price but this just doesnt
sound good at all.
I can't wait for Hop to do his response video!
Plan to pick one up after Sig finishes beta testing it on the market. 🤷🏼♂️
I love the no pistol grip stock look, very cool gun James :)
honestly, drop the price by a grand and a half and I'm there. It's at least something different than whatever multitude of variant of AR/pistol grip rifle is out there right now. Variety is good!
That being said, the price is really the problem, although folks here in ban states would prefer it to a weird pistol grip rifle configuration and could pay for it (they generally do make more money). There is actually competition here in this category now though.
-FM15 Ranch Rifle with a side charging handle that can also take BRN-180 uppers.
-SCR lower that you can pair with your favorite AR upper.
-Mini 14/Thirty. Proven Design.
-For a larger bore, M1A.
-For budget options (and if you can find them), Kel-Tec's SU-16 and RDB Hunter.
All of them for around a grand or so, if not cheaper. Sig being a large company helps, but Ruger, Kel-Tec and Springfield are those as well. The MCX is the best rifle, but like the XM8 vs the M4/M16, is it that much more better than say a Mini-14 to justify a 2 grand increase in price?
Why not use mini 14? Cheaper and same concept
I would like one with a lever action style charching handle.
Not bad for banned states that don't have many choices, but the price point is discouraging. Also some cites/states you can't have a threaded barrel, or any sort of break or flash hider.
Next level references in this one James.
I don't think that people hate the rifle. Sig is just insane with the MSRP on this rifle. How can the Spear LT be cheaper? It just seems that Sig is trying to recoup their costs on the Government contract by raping the civilian market. There are better options out there at a much affordable price.
Or recover costs of designing and testing a completely new lower…
You're thinking wrong, I hate this rifle.
@@calhitmen why?
@@Pb.Slinger not worth the money.
@@calhitmen yeah you’re not wrong. MSRP on this is crazy.
Foxtrot Mike has a "Ranch Gun" just like this... with a intermediate length gas piston system, side charging handle, and compatibility with Magpull shotgun stocks. It costs about $1000. Admittedly it lacks other MCX compatibility - but still.
Reminds me of an M14!
Tacticooling old designs is like getting a boob job.
The tactical lever gun is the highest rated plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills. DDs with just the perfect amount of give to look real with no scars showing.
The Regulator was some Hispanic dude behind a Wendy's with one of their plastic forks. One nipple looking at your left foot and one nipple staring at the corner of the ceiling.
3k is absurd for a cope rifle
Sounds like poor coping
@@mattg9971the only ones that anime hermit weaboo knows is from call of duty.. not joking, his videos are even there
It's literally just an mcx with a different stock... you aren't losing basically anything you'd get on a normal mcx. Can you not just be happy that banned states can have an mcx?
@@JTheraos The stock is a big part of the original design, if they change it then the ergos change. Now you have awkward reloads and looser cheek weld. It doesn't do anything the SCR doesn't do and is heavier and loses compatibility for the vast range of AR uppers. Moreover the Regulator isn't even designed for all ban states, it's marketed for the Californians because of the muzzle brake. Shooters in NY (and probably others) still can't use it from the factory without having to pin and weld a thread protector. I'm happy that it exists, maybe just so that other competition will pop up for ban states.
@@mattg9971 t. SIGGER shill
I don’t like the price, it’d also be better neat if they had shorter barrel configurations; the 16” protruding out isn’t bad but it’s look neater if less exposed. But then, you worry about the NFA, maybe a little bit longer hand guard, I do like the 16” barrel because it’s a nice in between length.
It’s cool, but I’d just buy a PSA Jackal
PSA are kinda dicks and wont ship to a lot of ban states (like mine) so the Regulator and FM-15 Ranch Rifle are about the only decent options we folk get.
Thank you for letting us know
Enshallah
@@nostravoluntasunitasthey don't ship to banned states cause they are banned...
I never understood why they didn’t put the side charging capability on the LT version of the spear
Just in time for that 11% tax here in California
I think it looks good. Foxtrot Mike makes a similar setup but not nearly the quality. Other things I wanna buy first though.
It's a vibe
-Admin
0:21 "Don't let people on the internet tell you what's cool and what's not cool". That's the same self affirmation James has to recite in the mirror when he puts on his wife's shorts.
What in the NCR is that?
The JR Mags always crack me up.
I call her Vera.
"That's why I never kiss them on the lips."
The real question is: Would you trade her for Saffron?
You kissed her too!
I'll be in my bunk
I like it, if Sig wants to make it more ranch rifleish they could add a wooden stock and some sort of wooden foregrip. This is definitely a great option for restricted states to include mine, CT. The price is going to be a major problem for Sig. So when are you going to do a MAC M4 clone burn down😂?
Stop FUDDing the products.
This gun kind of encapsulates sig's most recent designs. Works purely on systems previously tested and developed, with overlapping features (like double charging handles, ar15 stocks on bufferless systems, hammer fired bore axis on a striker system.. ). Some would call it design by comittee.
So it’s the gun camel?
James, I like you dude but SIG just sucks
Im sure you made his day by letting him know that you like him 😂
He did make my day and now you've ruined it stupid mattg9971
Well us use it sooooo
@@tfbtv 😂😂😂
BCA can slap a side charger on an AR upper for dual charging,maybe take a look at something like that for this???
I used to have an AK. I liked it a lot. I've never really been interested in the ARs. I saw the Regulator for the first time about a week ago. I fell in love at first sight! I choked when I saw the price but dreams are free, at least until the government figures out how to tax them!
By the way, who is Paul Cooper? Did you mean Gary Cooper?
"I love this"
Is that initial reaction because it's just grossly overpriced?
Sig is a joke now.
Given the overall reliability issues I'm seeing come up in the forums with Sigs various MCX offerings, and their penchant for changing the design without so much as rev change to alert potential buyers, and the absurd price point, it's a hard pass. Just because they bribed military officials to get contracts doesn't mean they make good reliable stuff. I mean come on, does anyone really believe an M17 is better than an M9/A3 ?
This gun looks DOPE!!! I'm in the camp with you!
Puzzling that there’s no model with an unthreaded barrel.
I’m an NYC resident, will likely purchase one and have a gunsmith modify, if one isn’t released in the next few months.
The price point is a bit higher than I can afford. The platform itself is fantastic. Fight Lite has been making this version for years. They sell the serialized lower, and you can choose from different uppers or use compatible AR uppers. The price is climbing on them too.
It's just a way worse version of the keltec RDB survival... Typical sig over priced over weight trash
People whine about it because they see it as some sort of marketing for anti-gunner states. Well... people are f'n stupid.
Big fan of semi-pistol grips. There’s like two intermediate caliber, box mag fed, semi-automatic rifles. The Mini-14, and the SU-16. At least this is number three.
CMMG B4 - comes in 5 calibers very similar but using 870 stocks with a much better ergonomics setup and tactical operation.
Bro how you have the nerve to talk about small companies not supporting there products when Sig is the epitome of that. Sig 556xi,516,556r etc.
SIG does the FightLite SCR/Foxtrot Mike Ranch rifle for almost 2.5x the price. My preference is the side charging Foxtrot Mike but more options in this style is a good thing.
If someone would make a similar type lower for the BRN-180.
I might be losing my mind, but are you measuring those groups edge-to-edge w.r.t the holes? It sure looks like it on the video. If that's how you're doing it, then they're even better than you think - the standard is center-to-center (or edge-to-edge and take off the diameter of the bullet). That 1.2 inch group actually might be a
The problem I have is that it's a parts bin rifle, for bespoke rifle prices. I mean, sure, if you're in California, great, but for everyone else, for what reason would you buy this over literally anything else? I'd rather buy 5 $700 AR's than one of these for $3500. It's not even about affordability anymore, it's just trying to part idiots from their money.
The wrist area is such an awkward design thanks to the obviously excess length. It reminds me very much the Ruger PC Charger and the chassis version of PC Carbine that uses the same parts. When I look at it as a designer, I see that it is difficult to come up with a less awkward, lighter, shorter alternative. But it leaves a sense of great dissatisfaction all the same. N.B. Ruger went the opposite direction: from a conventional stock to the pistol grip. But it encountered the same design challenge.
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Just to be clear... A $3000 doesn't help people in ban states (I live in MA). It's too much money for a normal gun guy to get it which means it doesn't move the needle. All of Sig's MCX line models fall into this I believe.
i dont know , but i like the grip and stock like that . Maybe because i had success with that kind of stock and grips more than vertical ones. Also gives me m14 vibes so i like it . i would love to see how accurate is with the 7.62 ammo .
There are at least two options available for half the price from decent companies. While I get some people's "why", still I must ask, why? WHY AT THE PRICE?!
Where is the "lol" button on UA-cam? It wouldn't be so bad if not for the price. $3k? Nope. Sig has lost they damn mind.
It’s the new Mini-14. It does everything an AR can do, at twice the price, but at twice the cool factor!
At last, someone made a premium Kal-Tec SU-16CA! I know I'm weirdo because I love it.