No. Christine was right to ask for clarification. You can't rely on a rhyme for this. Spin direction depends on your perspective on the threads. That's why in this video, it's lefty tighty, righty loosey.
Excellent tutorial! Most peeps have a hard time on suspension setup unless they've experience on MTBs & on MC track riding. Besides the intended usage & terrain, a lot is also rider pref. They dont call suspension tuning voodoo for nuffin
Yeah, I think that a lot of riders don't know how to adjust it - so think that it's garbage. But really, if you spend some time tuning - it can perform quite well.
Does the air chamber on this suspension kit require regular maintenance like other air shocks? Is the DS200 compatible with Inmotion V14? Thanks for this very informative video. Christine's perspective is also very appreciated for us new to this.
The air chamber shouldn't require maintenance, unless the oil seals break. However at 100psi, the stress on the seals is fairly low. The only caveat, is if you run a spring that's way too soft, and then max out damping and go off a jump - it could blow out the seals.
Great job,! Thank you for sharing. Isn't the air valve exposed to being broken since it sticks out? Can the shock be put into that 2nd further back hole to better protect the valve? Christine, I think you are so refreshingly beautiful. Love your personality. You guys make a great team. Love your content.
The DS210 on my Et Max seems to have started leaking oil. I don't feel a lot of differences, whatever I adjust them. The air chamber still holds the air. The good thing is the spring is still doing its job, but I can't control the rebounding speed. I wonder if I can add some oil to fix it.
I didn't understand some of your comments about preload. At the start, you tightened the preload collar just enough to get the spring to push the wheel up to the end of its travel. So, not very tight, correct? Later, you said that you had too much sag, so you need a different spring. But can't you add more preload to the current spring by tightening the preload collar? Why didn't you do that before deciding you need a different spring?
@@2cells1pack It looks like are about 50mm of threads on the DS200 for preload adjustments. Why so many threads if we're only meant to use a few? How would one know how many is too many, and what are the drawbacks of adding too much preload?
I really appreciate your informative videos. But I wish you had made this one more informative. The manual suggests damper pressure between 50-100 psi. Are there pros/cons of filling the damper to the low or high side of that range? Do the knobs perform differently throughout that range? Like does 100 psi make the adjustments more coarse and 50 psi make them more fine? Are there any other performance impacts between 50 psi and 100 psi? Second note, you had tightened the preload for Albert's weight (although it wasn't quite enough). Why wouldn't you reduce that preload for Christine before concluding that she would need a softer spring? I could be wrong but she would only need a softer spring if there still wasn't enough sag after reducing the preload to the minimum of what's needed for full extension when unloaded.
In the initial set up - the spring wasn't tight and there was some slop. This caused the suspension to not move fully upwards. I only adjusted the preload enough to make the suspension reach the top of motion. With the sag that I experienced, there's no amount of preload (as it's more of a fine adjustment) that will make the suspension good for me. I like 20-25% sag. With Christine, the preload can't be adjusted any less - and she only compressed
@@2cells1pack That makes more sense about the spring. I didn't quite catch that detail in the video. Thanks. So it sounds like you're saying the range from 50-100 psi doesn't act as any sort of adjustment. I figured there would be some difference between low and high. But fine if not. I mostly wanted to know if it's another thing to play with to refine the shock. Thanks again
2cells1pack would you say commander pro type of suspension might last longer then master shock... stilldebating feel lime my shock v2 is not has good has it used to be 😔
I've heard good things about the ComPro v2 shocks. However, they're not rebuildable. The DS200 similar to the LeaperKim FastAce shocks are rebuildable if it leaks.
Amazing video and very helpful for the community. Begode call the extreme a 130mm travel -5mm at lower pedal for the ruber o ring -10mm at the top for the 2 rubber o rings Giving you a final travel of about 120mm.? But the big question is. Can the factory linkage geometry actually support that 120mm of travel.? I dont have a extreme to test this. But from my extrapolation tests you cant get the 120mm of travel before the linkage bottom out the movement travel on the begode shocks have a super chunky top to help mitigate pin bending when the linkage bottoms out before the stanchion travel? Would be super keen to see this in play with the rear battery removed and the sping removed and air dumped from the shock. With some measurements.
Yeah, its 130mm -5mm on top and -5mm on bottom. 120mm actual. When I tried to bottom out the shock by jumping on it, it looked like it was pretty close to bottomed out on the stanchions.
Righty and lefty only works with additional assumptions, which nobody ever includes with the rhyme. So, it's often misleading. If you're facing right-handed thread from the typical direction and the only place that your wrench will fit is pointing downward, then it's going to be Lefty-Tighty.
Begode DS200 huh? Let me guess, in 2 weeks the DS201 will come out, followed by the DS201 GT, then the DS300 GT PRO and finaly the DS300 GT PRO MINI. Then by end of the month, there will be a ES200. Followed by V2 of everything, then V3 of everything, all within 3 months. lol
Progress yes….nickel and diming without doing proper research and development, no. My air shock started leaking in three months, alienrides would not warranty it. I spent $200 to get the upgraded shock, 900 too soft, 1300 too stiff. I tried both suspension holes on both springs. I’m aware of how to adjust suspension. So now if I want suspension, that is actually adequate, I get to spend another $300 for the new shock. Spending $500 more for something that should’ve been warranted in the first place does not leave a good taste in my mouth. Begode should send these shocks out for free to anyone who bought the first batch or second batch.
Thorough explanation 👍 Even though I won't ever buy a wheel with this type of suspension again, it's still interesting to see how it works.
I think a lot of people didn't know how it operated, so thought best to make a video to explain it.
Your videos single handedly have saved me like 6 times
Absolutely a game changer video!! Thanks for the work you put into it. It's much appreciated!!
The quality of your videos and content make a truly professional feel. So informative and nicely presented. Thank you very much
Great info.
Clear and concise 👏👏👏
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Christine! Righty tighty, lefty loosey
Exactly the same as every other screw, EXCEPT the left pedal on a bicycle ;-)
Hhaha. yeah.
No. Christine was right to ask for clarification. You can't rely on a rhyme for this. Spin direction depends on your perspective on the threads. That's why in this video, it's lefty tighty, righty loosey.
Excellent tutorial! Most peeps have a hard time on suspension setup unless they've experience on MTBs & on MC track riding. Besides the intended usage & terrain, a lot is also rider pref. They dont call suspension tuning voodoo for nuffin
Yeah, I think that a lot of riders don't know how to adjust it - so think that it's garbage. But really, if you spend some time tuning - it can perform quite well.
Does the air chamber on this suspension kit require regular maintenance like other air shocks? Is the DS200 compatible with Inmotion V14?
Thanks for this very informative video. Christine's perspective is also very appreciated for us new to this.
The air chamber shouldn't require maintenance, unless the oil seals break. However at 100psi, the stress on the seals is fairly low. The only caveat, is if you run a spring that's way too soft, and then max out damping and go off a jump - it could blow out the seals.
Great job,! Thank you for sharing. Isn't the air valve exposed to being broken since it sticks out? Can the shock be put into that 2nd further back hole to better protect the valve? Christine, I think you are so refreshingly beautiful. Love your personality. You guys make a great team. Love your content.
Yeah, it can be put into the inner hole if needed.
The DS210 on my Et Max seems to have started leaking oil. I don't feel a lot of differences, whatever I adjust them. The air chamber still holds the air. The good thing is the spring is still doing its job, but I can't control the rebounding speed. I wonder if I can add some oil to fix it.
Can you lock it down to have no spring?
I didn't understand some of your comments about preload.
At the start, you tightened the preload collar just enough to get the spring to push the wheel up to the end of its travel. So, not very tight, correct?
Later, you said that you had too much sag, so you need a different spring. But can't you add more preload to the current spring by tightening the preload collar? Why didn't you do that before deciding you need a different spring?
Preload will allow you to micro-adjust, but if the sag is off by too much, you need to change the spring.
@@2cells1pack It looks like are about 50mm of threads on the DS200 for preload adjustments. Why so many threads if we're only meant to use a few? How would one know how many is too many, and what are the drawbacks of adding too much preload?
blitz with knobby or the new extreme 50s with the upgrades for hooligan all around riding.
I noticed the air chamber is really close to the kickstand. Is that a problem?
Nope, on compression, it goes further away
thanks for the video, can I replace the DS200 shock with dnm 200mm air shock directly?
The DS200 is much better than the DNM ones.
Where can i get those orange pedal hangers? Are they much different than stock?
They are from BEIDOU
I really appreciate your informative videos. But I wish you had made this one more informative.
The manual suggests damper pressure between 50-100 psi. Are there pros/cons of filling the damper to the low or high side of that range? Do the knobs perform differently throughout that range? Like does 100 psi make the adjustments more coarse and 50 psi make them more fine? Are there any other performance impacts between 50 psi and 100 psi?
Second note, you had tightened the preload for Albert's weight (although it wasn't quite enough). Why wouldn't you reduce that preload for Christine before concluding that she would need a softer spring? I could be wrong but she would only need a softer spring if there still wasn't enough sag after reducing the preload to the minimum of what's needed for full extension when unloaded.
In the initial set up - the spring wasn't tight and there was some slop. This caused the suspension to not move fully upwards.
I only adjusted the preload enough to make the suspension reach the top of motion. With the sag that I experienced, there's no amount of preload (as it's more of a fine adjustment) that will make the suspension good for me. I like 20-25% sag.
With Christine, the preload can't be adjusted any less - and she only compressed
@@2cells1pack That makes more sense about the spring. I didn't quite catch that detail in the video. Thanks.
So it sounds like you're saying the range from 50-100 psi doesn't act as any sort of adjustment. I figured there would be some difference between low and high. But fine if not. I mostly wanted to know if it's another thing to play with to refine the shock.
Thanks again
It makes a small difference. At 100psi, I found that the damping would have more consistent actuation.
If i ride on the previous 1300lb spring with the chamber wide open, would i get better rebound on the ds200?
yes.
2cells1pack would you say commander pro type of suspension might last longer then master shock... stilldebating feel lime my shock v2 is not has good has it used to be 😔
I've heard good things about the ComPro v2 shocks. However, they're not rebuildable. The DS200 similar to the LeaperKim FastAce shocks are rebuildable if it leaks.
Gosto de assistir seus vídeos parabéns, uma pergunta vc tem link da bomba de encher pneu q vc mostrou no vídeo?
If you're in North America, you can find it here www.ewheels.com/parts/?add-to-cart=66329
Very helpful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing video and very helpful for the community.
Begode call the extreme a 130mm travel -5mm at lower pedal for the ruber o ring
-10mm at the top for the 2 rubber o rings
Giving you a final travel of about 120mm.?
But the big question is. Can the factory linkage geometry actually support that 120mm of travel.?
I dont have a extreme to test this. But from my extrapolation tests you cant get the 120mm of travel before the linkage bottom out the movement travel on the begode shocks have a super chunky top to help mitigate pin bending when the linkage bottoms out before the stanchion travel?
Would be super keen to see this in play with the rear battery removed and the sping removed and air dumped from the shock. With some measurements.
Yeah, its 130mm -5mm on top and -5mm on bottom. 120mm actual.
When I tried to bottom out the shock by jumping on it, it looked like it was pretty close to bottomed out on the stanchions.
Perfect timing!!!
Awesome! I thought this would come in handy for people.
Literally printed out the ewheels adjustment sheet. Going to tackle it tonight.
Do you have a link to that type of pump?
www.ewheels.com/parts/?add-to-cart=66329
Appreciate you
Great info! 👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
For ‘right-handed threads’, it’s always “righty-tighty, lefty-loosey”… works in all dialects. 😊
if you're referring to the preload it's true, however from user perspective it's kind of flipped since you're looking from the opposite direction.
Righty and lefty only works with additional assumptions, which nobody ever includes with the rhyme. So, it's often misleading. If you're facing right-handed thread from the typical direction and the only place that your wrench will fit is pointing downward, then it's going to be Lefty-Tighty.
😂….👍
Begode DS200 huh? Let me guess, in 2 weeks the DS201 will come out, followed by the DS201 GT, then the DS300 GT PRO and finaly the DS300 GT PRO MINI. Then by end of the month, there will be a ES200. Followed by V2 of everything, then V3 of everything, all within 3 months. lol
LOL. Okay.
Tell me you don't like progress, without telling me you don't like progress.
Progress yes….nickel and diming without doing proper research and development, no.
My air shock started leaking in three months, alienrides would not warranty it. I spent $200 to get the upgraded shock, 900 too soft, 1300 too stiff. I tried both suspension holes on both springs. I’m aware of how to adjust suspension. So now if I want suspension, that is actually adequate, I get to spend another $300 for the new shock. Spending $500 more for something that should’ve been warranted in the first place does not leave a good taste in my mouth. Begode should send these shocks out for free to anyone who bought the first batch or second batch.
Unfortunately with life, it takes a couple failures before success. No one hits it out of the gate perfect.