Is Lupe Fiasco a Better Lyricist Than Kendrick Lamar? | DEHH
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Lupe Fiasco made headlines during a livestream discussing Kendrick Lamar and his skillset as a rapper in comparison to him. In this video, we dicuss Lupe's tweet and give you our thoughts on who we think is the better lyricist. Let us know who you got in the comment section below.
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This shouldn't even be a question. We all love Kendrick, but anyone who has heard tracks like Mural, Adoration of A Magi, Hurt Me Soul, Blur My Hands, and Mural Jr know that Lupe is an elite level lyricist.
I'm glad you brought up Adoration of A Magi, because people really sleep on that
@@isaiahmarshall2704 Facts
Black friday, Kush and Corinthians, poe man dreams, FEEL, Hol up, all song that aren't mainstream fyi
Both have a great discography, KDOT does more tho
@@ChristianPerez-kd5jg I love those Kendrick tracks. But try to find a line/pair of lines in those songs that can top a line/pair of lines from those Lupe songs OP mentioned. Lupe has a tendency to make every line important. I love rapping along “I flow tighter than virgin lips,” but Lupe wouldn’t have a line like that. Regardless, I love Kendrick and Lupe. Kendrick over Lupe any day, too.
People won't appreciate how good Lupe is until he's done with music.
He's an alien man
^
Kick, Push will always be one of my favorite songs from Lupe ever! That will never change. He’s just that good.
Darius Jackson Mural is one of the best songs Lupe ever made, if you got 8 minutes, check it out
youngtundra478 hold on... Lupe spitting for 8 minutes? I don’t know if my ears can handle that much fire. But i’ll try. Mural, right? Good looking out.
I will argue for Kendrick against most, but Lupe is a Jedi Master Council Member who taught Yoda bro
Lol
Dont care for star wars but this was a dope a comment
Lupe taught Yoda and Qui-Gon-Kendrick
Lupe is getting overhyped, mans good, not that good tho
@@vivelevelo9232 bro there's a reason he's being compared to Kendrick. He's definitely not overhyped
Man. The similes. Metaphors. References. Analogies. Double rhymes. Double time. Triple time. Consonance. Assonance. Extended metaphors. Story telling. Story telling across three albums and three mixtapes. Telling a story backwards. Rapping from a inanimate object’s point of view. Rapping for nine minutes. Making you debate (15 years later) if kick push was about selling drugs or skateboarding and if Michael Young Never lost his dad, would he have met “The Cool” and have to dig himself up out of his grave with a watch. The cartoon references. Double entendres. Triple entendres. Whatever heck, Septennial entendres. Has anybody ever heard of Lupe’s song called “Hurt Me Soul”. Omg......dude spit all of the world ills. Dude was massively rhyming talking about trump and Oboma way way back and social issues and making it FRESH. Man. .....just listen to food and liquor. The original leaked version. Dude had a song with Jay z on that album. Lupe killed it. Jay z went and RE DID HIS VERSE ONCE THE SONG CAME OUT. Lupe Smoked him. That’s how Great Lupe is. Whatever you want, LUPE GOT IT. Oh yeah “Coulda Been” is his first recorded song and is one of the best songs ever.
Bro!! You just gave me an education on this man skill set!! Like Lupe said in SLR, “You have to go to Harvard to be a Lupe Stan.”
Walter Brady bro. Lupe. Is the man. It’s crazy how good he is. I even songs like WAV files omg. Dude. Dude. Just listen and read the lyrical connotation. And the song BUMPED IN THE WHIP and spit knowledge
WAV Files > How much a dollar cost
& it aint even close, Lupe just goes beyond storytelling and into the heavens were the harvest is greater
The Bubble yessss. But Kendrick is that dude. Not as great lyrically. He great. Not Lupe great. His delivery is better IMO. I wouldn’t say his song are better. Just more modern. Lupe was in that space long ago.
Fucking facts tracks like : paper of jayzus, mural, mural 2, shoes (I never heard emcee spit like that ever
This topic is a prime example of how the line between popularity and talent are extremely blurred today.
Exactly !
I get what your saying but Kendrick is the last person to be saying this in reference too
Kendrick one of my favourite artists of this generation and even I can admit his fans overrate the fuck out of his lyricism lmao.
@@steezy6195 u can't blame kendrick for his own following
Jo W of course not but I can most definitely blame the Kendrick fans that don’t educate themselves on other rappers and think he’s best lyricist to touch the earth lmao. This Lupe vs Kendrick is the prime example most Kendrick fans haven’t listened to Lupe in his entirety and are just quick to defend Kendrick when if they actually Dissected Lupe they’d clearly know he’s the superior lyricist
I love Kendrick to DEATH, but if we're talking STRICTLY lyrics, the only correct answer to me is Lupe. His double, triple, quadruple entrendres are crazy, the way he metaphorically connects every bar in a verse together on certain songs, it's so dense. Yeah...give it to that man.
Facts... why is this even a conversation. 🤦🏾♂️
Cuz rap n hip hop fans are unfortunately not much better than pop fans and go by celebrity status and catchy simple songs
@@isaiaharmand8841 Lupe isn't even a double time rapper
What the hell are you talking about
Can I have some titles where he does that? I don't really listen to him.
@@exaucemayunga22 Just look up Mural
Kendrick is sonically more pleasing to listen to....but Lupe's wordplay is on another level.
Neither are that sonically pleasing
@@carsonrogers4849 sonically both are great artists along with being great lyricist. That's what makes both so successful and beloved imo
Northsyde i have ADHD
Carson Rogers that’s cap
One name: Dr Dre
Man if a Kendrick and Lupe track comes from this...
We'd be decoding it for the next decade and college curriculum will be have courses written around it.
@@ShonTolliverMusic for sure
It’ll be like that Eminem and Kendrick track where there don’t rap for the sake of throwing bars and showing skill and instead attack a concept no one would expect. Like they rapped about women, I enjoyed the track, but when I saw the track list for the Marshall Mather LP 2, I was assuming those 2 were about to duke it out on a record. Nah... I was got
Lupe wouldn’t. He doesn’t wanna get to embarrassed
@@capalottyslimalini2878 Lupe will outshine Kendrick Lamar lyrically
The real question is, " Is Lupe the best lyricist ever?" Have you heard "Mural"?
Have you heard WAV files?
@@davonmanigault2451 WAV Files❤️❤️❤️
I’ve BEEN telling my friends to listen to mural for years….nobody in mainstream is out-rapping LUPE
Not just Mural...his whole track record. 👑💯
@@wh0_odat644 I feel you. But you gotta give the ppl some place to start. Lupe has a lot of range. Even his dis records are lethal, (listen to Steve Jobs).
Honestly DROGAS WAVE has the best rapping I’ve ever heard on an album it’s absolutely insane how good he is, I listened to it while reading the Genius annotations and it’s mind blowing.
@M C yeah that’s why he commented “the best rapping I’ve ever heard”
Y'all are forgetting that Lupe was Black balled by the industry. It took Anonymous to force Atlantic to let him release music. And at that point Lupe was just trying to make songs to complete his album obligation so he could get off his contract. He even said "I wasn't going to give them anything I put my soul in". That's why Lupe's mainstream career tanked.
Facts
Big Facts even though Lupe came into the game with 1st and 15th his Partner/Manager Chill got sentenced to 44 yrs in prison as his career was taking off. Lupe had to fend for himself in the industry. Kendrick came into the game with the covering of Top Dawg and TDE. They protected Kendrick from dealing with some of the pitfalls and issues that Lupe had to deal with in the industry. Not to say that I'm using that as slight against Kendrick because I'm glad he had that. If he didn't have the team or the support that he has he probably wouldn't have been as big as he is.
Not only that but Lupe doesn't care about money and came into the rap game with a boatload of it. So everything they tried to sell to him he wasn't buying.
Yup..he talks about this and the influence that the industry tries to filter in and change the artist's music in order to abide by industry norms in the song "glory". Dope track by the way.
Most artists, especially conscious artists dont have the chance to have the career Kendrick had. People just assume lupe fell off cause of accessible music or something but he had tons of label battles that kemdrick never had. Taking songs off the radio, label refusing to put out albums, telling him they wont promote him, getting black listed for his political opinions, giving songs that would have blew him up even more to other artists. list goes on. Imagine if kendrick was on a label that felt like to pimp a butterfly needs more edm instrumentals because Kendrick has crossover appeal, and refused to release it to the point fans protested. Kendrick would have fell off. He is on a label with people looking out for him, who makes sure he eats, and makes sure him and his music can breathe.
Lupe for the mind Kendrick for the soul. It all depends on what makes you feel more. Me personally it’s Kendrick by a hair but I’m not mad at anyone saying Lupe.
That is a fire analogy. Agreed.
@JahRoxkYa Listen to the Cool.
Great take
@JahRoxkYa true , I'd say Sing about me is another example
But that's not lyrics though that's more so style
We need that KendrickxLupe track. GET TOP ON THE PHONE!
Get Chill on the Phone
album!
Yes, no questions asked. Lupe is undoubtedly one of the greatest lyricists of all time
Who on God's green earth thinks Kendrick is anywhere near Lupe lyrically? Seems like Lupe was just trolling for fun.
Kendrick is Lupe that doesnt watch anime. Stop
Bruh Kendrick killing everybody in the game BUT Lupe probably is the Rap God..
@deez nuts this made me laugh way harder than it should. I kinda want Anthony to explain his issue with Lupe one day, because everything about his musical taste tells me he should really dig his music, but instead he acts like he doesn’t even exist. He only talks about his records when his fanbase literally forces him to. I remember a live stream were he was listing artists who worked with Kanye…
Chat: LUPE LUPE LUPE
Anthony: Pusha, Kid Cudy, Kendrick…
@@yhhkj529 melon head can't comprehend Lupe's lyrics lol
Me
The Cool definitely had a radio sound to it. “Paris, Tokyo” “Superstar” “Hi-Definition” “Hip-Hop Saved My Life” “Fighters” all were radio “friendly” sounding
Gold Watch, Hello Goodbye, Put you on game etc are NOT radio friendly though.
That's pre-blackball Lupe as well.
And then he dropped dumb it down on that same album
True. Those songs are all great tho cuz it didn't sound like Lupe was reaching for a radio hit. HipHop Saved My Life has a whole double meaning to it.
@@SolidSnake240 that was an anthem for anyone whoever picked up a pen and pad. Lupes the cool album really was pretty deep. Even hi definition had some meaning in it.
Kendrick and Lupe on a song : winner would be Hip Hop
They have a song together but it was when Kendrick was trash lol
@@tuxedomask8238 kendrick was never trash
RomanRulers yes, he was before he was famous. Kendrick legit switched up his whole style.
@@tuxedomask8238 before he was famous he wasn't trash
RomanRulers Lol you’re in denial
I missed these DEHH conversations.
Me too man. I always go back to their old videos to see the convos.
Same we need more especially rn
At this point in his career Lupe is on his Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue" approach to his creative process. The average Hip Hop fan won't get his approach until 30-40 years later....
Yea if that was a challenge could he beat that though!
@@benl4707 That's a good question. It would be interesting to see....
What’s miles Davis approach to creative process?
@@breekwhal Pushing creative boundaries. Realizing that your flaws creatively are actually the foundation of your gift and not being afraid to display that in your music...
4 years after i heard the song "go to sleep" - i could still find something i had overlooked. FnF up!
They forgot how many different flows Lupe has displayed over the years. He has switched flows on a single song. Both Kendrick and Lupe are good at flow versatility.
I personally think Kendrick is more versatile
I just imagine Kendrick calling Top and saying “bring Lupe to the studio”
Lupe and Ab-Soul’s collab was fire
Interesting convo. No real controversy here once everyone reads Lupe's full comments on it, but this was a dope conversation to get out of it all.
"We're all chemicals/vitamins and minerals/Vicodin in inner tubes wraped around the armmmm"
Lupe > Kendrick as a lyricist DAS IT
I agree here
Also S/0 meami love your content
Yup
I agree when he said that Kendrick is a better artist tho. Kdot has made masterpieces. Lupe has not, and may never will.
That's it.
How many times have we had this convo😂😭😭
Love the DEHH Conversations, and to me they demonstrate your biggest strength as a channel. 'Reaction' style videos have their place on UA-cam, but you stand out by offering something I don't see from other Hip-Hop focused channels - insightful and entertaining discussions by people who love the artform.
This should have more likes
i hope rod sees this, i miss these
I’m a K.dot STAN but even I know that Lupe is a better lyricist. Even if it’s only slightly. And if Lupe isn’t a better lyricist than Kendrick, there’s nothing wrong with saying that you are better someone. That’s rap. That’s what happens in hip-hop and always has.
Slightly?
Slightly? No need to sugar coat it dawg lupes leagues ahead lmao
Yeah I know Lupe is a much better lyricist. But I’m saying for Kendrick fans who don’t think Lupe is better that it’s not a big deal for Lupe to say he is better. I think people are making it a big deal in hopes that Kendrick drops music sooner
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Cool was massively underrated, excluding a few songs his concepts and storytelling are second to none. And when given the scope to flex away from record label bullshit he’s on another level hence tetsuo and youth which is a masterpiece
Drogas wave too was crazy. Lupe has an amazing discography not only musically but there's so much lyrical content to dive into. His hiccups were just the albums he made where Atlantic had a big input on what they wanted. Other than that, dude has one of the best discographies to me.
As Lupe said, "gota go to Harvard to be a Lupe Stan."
It's hard being a Lupe fan go to Harvard to be a Lupe Stan. I'm not saying that I'm harder It's just harder when it's in Lupe's hand. Welcome Nigga Lupe Land.
Lupe has worked with Ab-Soul several times. He loves the whole TDE camp. People know the truth about Lupe vs. Kendrick Lamar. Y’all (as in the people) need to stop trying to make this a beef. That’s it. Lupe got it. That’s respect. Kendrick is dope too but y’all get albums and rapping confused.
@Blank do you think Harry Potter is superior to Ulysses? After all, the concepts of Harry Potter are literally magical and out of this world, whereas Ulysses just tells the story of a day in Dublin.
@@HStalhane what are you trying say? Which rapper is Joyce in this comparison. I think lupe and Kendrick are more interesting than JK Rowling to be honest.
@@JC-ws3cs I just feel that subject matter is a weird thing to be measuring, which I guess this entire thing is about, so I don't even know...
@@HStalhane not a fair comparison bro
If Lupe & Soul did an album together, the world would combust
As an artist, these are the types of discussions that I really appreciate from the DEHH community (i.e. the hosts & those of us who are subscribers/viewers). Even though I’m not the one being reviewed; I’m always learning from channels like DEHH’s - which helps me hone my craft, even more, refining my skill set. I also appreciate that you’re not strictly basing one’s level of ‘success’ off of records sold, alone. Dope conversation, Fellas!
Tetsuo and Youth Lyrically and Sonically is crazy man . Like Lyrically Kendrick can’t touch that . Far as TPAB that type of consciousness is also deep as fuck ... I still gotta give it to Lupe though
And that's why LU said Kendrick is a better artist. Lu as an Alien lyrically
Gwrightproductions1 he’s still not better lyrically but y’all can have the conversation.
Just because Lupe puts some crazy complex rhyme schemes together doesn’t mean he a better lyricist, listen to Mural, half the shit he says don’t even makes sense he just rhyming for the sake of rhyming. Kendrick is a better lyricist, he paints stories better, his message is louder too.
David Awonaike the punchlines and pictures he pains in word form on mural are crazy man. It’s complex , it’s possible if you don’t get it that the rhyme scheme went over your head or maybe that type of rhyming isn’t your cup of tea . I guess not everyone wants to decipher the raps. Again why Kendrick is more popular but nothing wrong with that either way I guess
djwarzone1 Eminem can do wordplay freestyles and then sit and write more technical similes and metaphors. It’s not that special. It’s about painting pictures with those words in depth.
There are a few things that none of them mentioned pertaining to Lupe.
First of all, Lupe's mixtapes like 'Farenheit' and 'Enemy of the State' have some of the hottest tracks of all time. His one off, 'unreleased' singles/freestyles are crazy as well. "Free Chilly Freestyle", "You, Me, Him, Her", "Ignorant". These are a few of the best lyrical freestyles ever released. To only make mention of his albums is to do him a great diservice.
Also, just his sheer ability to hit you with a triple entendre that recalls a line from earlier in the song, while tying into an overarching theme is just unprecedented. I've listened to Lupe for 15 years and still find refrences and additional layers of an Entendre that astound me. To truly understand his songs you have to study history, film, cartoons, fashion, literature; the list goes on. He will pronounce a word such that it will sound like two different words, where both of them work in context but have totally different meanings. It's superhuman.
Lupe is, hands down, the greatest lyricist of all time. I don't think it is even close.
I'm glad Lupe is getting recognition.
I think with the whole "delivery being a part of lyricism" debate that Rod brought up, I think that delivery should be taken into account when judging the overall MC, but not something as specific as lyricism that has to do specifically with words. That's why I think Lupe is a better lyricist, but Kendrick is a better overall MC.
I dont get what lyricism is anymore based on what people are saying. It seems clear that when people say someone is a lyricist theyre talkin about bars. People are saying things like provoking emotion, story telling, relatability etc and i dont think those are things that go into what makes a person a wordsmith
Idk. I think Lupes a better mc but Kendrick is better overall artist.
Wouldn't you say the ability to tell a story factors into it as well? I think Kendrick has a slight edge in that regard. Lupe is more dense and metaphorical but I'd argue Kendrick is more varied and has the storytelling edge.
They're both amazing artists.
Brandon The Cool story by Lupe is pretty dope. I think Kendrick just puts more emotion in his tracks.
Kru thank you... that’s what gives Kendrick the edge for me
Finally someone who puts some respecK on Lupe’s name
ShizAudi put some speck on it
Even though I agree that kendrick makes more accessible music, I have to give lupe his props. Cause a lot of hip hop fans keep "dumb it down" relevant to this day
TO THIS DAY! I've been mind blown by dumb it down since middle school, I'm 27 now.
There's alot of skill in simplifying complex topics... I think kendrick excels in this... Kendricks not "simple" at all but he does a good job of meeting his listeners halfway.... Lupe is extremely complex almost to his own detriment
coolest nigga what!! dumb it down"🙌
lil Artman X you hit the nail on the coffin. Reading this entire comment section and both fans just handicap the HELL out of both artists that it’s actually fucking insane. I’m a Kendrick fan bro but I realized he was a mortal man too when he decided to tell a fan to not say the lyric to a hype song 🤦♂️
I can't believe people see "dumb it down" in Kendrick and Lupe lyrics.
As a k-Dot Stan ,I have to say Lupe has said everything that Kendrick has said but in a more dynamic and complex manner which requires a lot of time to analyse the Lyricism.Thats one of the reasons Lupe hasn't gotten big on a mainstream level coz he's too complicated .
Anyone questioning Lupes talent and lyricism needs to listen to songs like WAV files, King Nas and Sun God Sam from his last album. As a matter of fact just listen to the whole Drogas Wave album.
Plot twist: Lupe is the one holding the camera the whole time
Lmao
kendrick is a better artist, lupe is a better lyricist. literally everyone agrees with this
I know right. I literally don’t know why people dragging this still
That’s not true. Food and Liquor, The Cool, and Tetso and Youth are comparable to any Kendrick albums.
Dallas Hanson he not comparing project, he comparing skills
I wouldn’t say better artist because both are dope artists I think Kendrick makes song’s more radio friendly but definitely agree as a lyricist Lupe is better
@@jomarcoliverman4971 Yup, Lupe better lyrics wise and an actual artist, does it for the artistry(last two albums) . Kendrick is cool, but its more appealing to a bigger audience. Logic and Kendrick is a better match up.
Yes by a whole fucking lot. that's no disrespect to Kenny, Lupe's just an alien with the pen.
I subscribed as soon as i heard praise for Tetsuo and Youth, his most underrated album
Been a fan of lupe since (Food & liquor) album. The song (real) is still one of my favorite song till this day. My niggas thought he was trash and never understood why i listen to him everyday. Man is a genius💯
W for sticking with Lupe since day 1
I love that song Real 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
Lupe better period
I'm a Lupe Stan but most of Lupe's songs and albums go over my head. Lupe is one of those rappers you literally have to listen to multiple times AND go to rap genius to get his genius. It's crazy and how ahead of his time he is. Lupe all day man there's no question.
Lupe is one of the most truthful. He was on point with his comments.
I don’t know too much about lupes discography so I guess I can’t give my opinion. I’m just glad to see people in the comments are just giving props and speaking their opinion rather than arguing.
I'm coming back to this after Lupe merked Royce da 5'9 and then started putting out lyrical practice.
DEHH right on time with a video when I was looking for something to watch! Salute kings!
@Nathan Trujillo Well, you proved you're definitely not one lol. Dude, shut up!
I’m with Rod on delivery always being part of lyricism. How a bar is delivered does have a part in determining how good the bar is.
I personally wouldn't ever include delivery, flow, cadence, or anything like that when talking about lyricism. All you need is a lyric sheet to judge lyricism in my opinion.
Not true. Pick any successful lyrical emcee from Rakim to Eminem and you'll see that delivery, flow and cadence is a major component of separating the gifted from the talented....
@@willieboyland3180 Yeah, when evaluating an MC top to bottom, of course. But delivery has nothing to do with LYRICISM. I'm not saying all of those don't matter. Just they don't factor into a discussion of lyricism. Obviously a rapper is gonna be shit if they rap like a robot with no emotions, even if they have amazing lyrics. But I can still say they have amazing or top tier lyricism even if they're ability to rap those lines are shit.
@@jonathansaraco If the delivery is trash you're not gonna even think twice about how lyrical they are. It has to go hand and hand....
@lendra2010 Poetry and rapping are two totally different approaches fam. Take any lyrical rapper, write down his lyrics on a piece of paper and give it to any random person that can read past a third grade level and see if you think those lyrics are amazing or trash? You gotta have the flow to match the lyrics or it's not really lyricism....
Thats just literature. Rapping is a performing art. Rap lyrics need to be constructed in an engaging way, and delivered with the right timing and emphasis. They need to flow on top of/alongside the beat. The rhyme scheme should change a few times to avoid monotony.
A great lyricist knows how to construct bars and deliver them for maximum impact.
Lupe is literally better lyricist than every rapper in history of hip hop
💯💯💯
Lol
I think an argument can be made for Aesop Rock.
Kendrick's advantage is he's got a great team and label support (TDE/Aftermath/Interscope). He's got Punch and Top guiding his releases. Lupe spent about half of his career beefing with Atlantic, and his manager locked up after FnL.
I think something important to point out on the accessible songs tip. When Lupe was making accessible songs, he did it in his nitch. Were his accessible songs crazy lyrical? No, not really. But they were crazy CONCEPTUALLY. And that's really Lupe's bag. Superstar was part of a concept album talking about going to heaven and with a video where the streets were personified as a hustler with an arm that turned to bones when the lights flashed on them... That was a SINGLE! Lol and not just for the vid, it tied into the actual lyrics and album which was heavily promoted.
Kendrick's bag is that he raps weird, lyrically and really well. Before he blew up, that was his bag as well. When he makes accessible songs, that's still his thing.
So there's a difference in even how they approach "accessible" songs.
Lupe has said that being crazy at rapping, isn't necessarily what separates him from the pack. It's his concepts that he puts the most pride in.
Braillionaire dumb it down was a single
@@blkjohnnybravo3506 I know lol Hence my point. When I say "conceptual" I don't just mean the overall concept of the song. His bars are also abstract and conceptual. That's Lupe himself talks about his raps and his strengths. That song is a PERFECT example lol
Lupe Fiasco would Renegade Kendrick Lamar on a track.
When’s the last time he dropped??
Depends what type of track they do
CD Ben Lupe had waves last year and that 4 track house ep in late july
Jacob Schippell I’ll have to check it out, thanks
I don't think so. Kendrick knows how to silver surf the hell out of a beat....
I miss the DEHH conversations it’s always feel good way to talk on some rap music.
Love this channel man. Everytime I hear your conversations I feel like I can fit right in to being a part of it. Not just because of the respect and appreciation I have towards hip-hop like you guys all do but the natural and unforced chemistry you guys create.
It's worth noting that Lupe stopped making accessible pop songs when he got off the label.
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Yes. Kendrick can probably make a better body of work and will more than likely end his career with a better discography. But he can not out rap Lupe. I’m saying that as a fan of both.
Kendrick already has a better discography than Lupe tho
Carter Simmons My favorites are Food & Liquor, The Cool, Tetsuo & Youth, Drogas Wave and all the mixtapes bump. I’m not gonna really compare Kendrick discography to his until Kendrick at least drops two more. But he is on pace to have a better catalog and that’s fine
Lupe has great concepts in terms of lyrics but kendrick has flow and delivery.
F.L.O.W. I think Kendrick has 4/4 great albums, and Lupe’s 3/7. Not to mention, Drogas Wave, which is my favorite Lupe album, is nowhere near either TPAB or GKMC.
Lupe > lyrically. Kendrick > sonically
lupe's switch is an example of how different he can be
Let’s gooo miss that soundbite of Ken saying “Dead End Hip Hop conversations”
A lot of Kendrick’s non-radio tracks are some of my favorite. hood politics and good kid are two that immediately come to mind
The Cool
Food and Liquor
The Fahrenheit trilogy
Pharaoh Height
Tetsuo & Youth
Drogas Wave
The answer is so obvious. . .
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Section 80
Good Kid M.a.a.d City
To Pimp a Butterfly
Untitled Unmastered
DAMN.
I think the answer is obvious. I see no misses so far
prod.SwxttyEse he talking about lyrics
@@ese426 listen to hurt me soul, or glory by lupe.
No disrespect to Kendrick, he’s definitely the most consistent of the 2 when it comes to the quality of his albums, but RAPPING?
The Fahrenheit trilogy alone is hard to top
But like Myke said, when discussing lyricism, someone might look at cats like Navy Blue, Ka, Billy Woods or Tha God Fahim and consider them the GREATEST rappers ever, but their music just isn’t as accessible to the mainstream.
the thing is, its difficult to have this conversation with people who aren't familiar with lupe's early mixtape series. That was the era where he had crazy wordplay but was still rapping about accessible subject matter. and yes, i think lupe is the better lyricist.
Lu was way more on his Carrera shit back then.
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For almost any mood I'm in, sad, happy indifferent, whatever. I can throw on "the show goes on" and vibe.
I believe the delivery portion has always played a part. Part of the reason Biggie or Jay were considered great lyricist was their delivery and flow.
no it has nothing do with delievery
jay is a great lyricist, biggie really isnt.
@@joeyscribbles6220biggie was a lyricist. Are you serious? Don't be fooled by Juicy lol. Now was biggie on lupe's level lyrically? No, but neither is Jay.
@@joeyscribbles6220 Nah he's right. Biggie fooled so many people into thinking he's a top tier lyricist just by way of his amazing delivery.
@@derekaddison4835 Bigge was not a great lyricist he was like Pac a good lyricist. The Machine and trickery of diddy has made him try to be more lyricial than what he was
@@mizraimj P diddy influence, his flow, and east coast bias to go against Pac. Made Biiggie come off more lyrical than what he was
Biggie was not close to Jay z in the lyricis department
did he have songs where he go off? yes but that doesnt mean your great lyricist as other rappers have them to
Funny thing is Pac has songs where he goes off lyrically to, even better than Big does. But Pac isnt praised or heralded for his lyrics as Biggie is.
but lyricially both where close to each other both had a relatively similar style of rhyming.
Gee I wonder why? LOL i think i already do know why tho
Better technical Lyricist Lupe >Kendrick
Better Writer Better poet Better Storyteller Kendrick >Lupe .
Idk if the second part is true either, thats just me though
@@royalty4958I agree with you
I love the guy with the braids..Lyricism is about LYRICS and words.. delivery is not a metric to lyricism but more so to the overall artistry.. delivery, cadence, lyricism are separate components to a whole.
Be Humble speaks to the point at 9:05. Not the most lyrically thought provoking record, yet very catchy as far as mainstream criteriors go. Adding that it also was a subliminal diss record (insert any similar competing artist at the time: Drake, Big Sean, Kanye) and you have a recipe for success. Similar to Ether and Takeover. Takeover was not a radio friendly record lyrically and production-wise, however Ether, the more simplistic of the two was the more catchy record hence deciding the determining factor of the outcome....
Lupe all day
Kendrick is a better overall MC. Kendrick is nearly as good a lyricist (he leaves the concepts to be discovered, rather than lecturing them into your head). Lupe is like a Lit. Professor learning to rap and Kendrick is a rapper moonlighting as a poet. Personally prefer Kendrick. I like to have to work for the messages.
It amazes me how they still don’t have a million subscribers 🤦🏾♂️
Dehh is the truth.
I love Kedrick more, but listening to a song like 'Mural' (Lupe), I get Lupe's point.
Lupe's mixtapes have delivered the dopest lines I have ever heard. Theme music to a drive by is when I realized that andre 3000 had competition.
its honestly a good match up. i enjoy kendrick as an artist more, there's just something about they way he conveys his abstract emotions and thoughts into his music that comes off more impactful than lupe, but bar for bar and intricate rhyme schemes with solid cohesiveness to his projects, yeah lupe probably.
Short answer: listen to “Failure”
Lupe has god tier depth, Kdot has god tier flow. Both have godly lyrics
Lupe's flow is way underrated tbh
Both make albums you have to listen to more than once
The thing i can not stand about Kendrick is his flow
@@dadorage1695 he can def start spazzin but he usually raps as though he's talking to you, which is great but it can get boring
@@Christopher._M trippin lol. My gripe is his voice sometimes, respect how versitile it is, but it can be annoying
That would be "Lightwork" for Lupe ... the man Already" SLR 2'" ed K.Dot. for those who say different you can sit down and have a "Double Burger with Cheese" yall better Stop before y'all have ya boy hanging around like a "Strange Fruition". Lucky for y'all Lupe's on his "ITAL"(Roses). Let's paint you a "Mural", while a lot of y'all are "Prisoner 1 & 2" of the moment Lupe done Learned how to "Persevere" and Maintain his "Tranquillo". If y'all Don't understand the "Dots And Lines" don't say it's not "Hood Now" just admit you don't understand that man's "Body Of Work". "Form Follows Function" "Go To Sleep".
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Bro you did that shit man! You killed it
@Produced By Khirey Akeem @@sneak837👀👀👀... They don't know
Fire 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 and they probably don't know the songs you referenced lol
@@BlackyVue unfortunately you're probably right, but ignorance is bliss, I guess.
I'm bias because Lupe is my favorite rapper so you know who I'm going with.
Damn Lupe and Kendrick would be epic. I'm still waiting on a Nas and Lupe track.
I don’t listen to Lupe like that and I know he’s more lyrical then Kendrick. The only thing is Lupe needs to stop arguing with Kendrick stans and even taking what they say into consideration. They’re stans there isn’t gonna be reasoning with them. But I do know that he goes live and just talks rap so maybe he was just answering questions and the media made a big deal.
Love them or hate them, but these guys have really nice face masks.
"Lupe Fiasco- Piece of paper/cup of jayzus" enough said
In terms of lyrics YES!!
don’t let ya inner fears resort in the outer coward
@narmaK Its a good song but the metaphors in piece of paper cup jayzus are in sane like peep this
"Check it, now paper make a plane & paper make it rain
But how fly is paper plane in the rain?
I'm fly paper on the brain
This and two-ply paper just ain't the same
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Bruh lyrically and metaphorically this group of lines is alien
@@MeisterGeekMedia as if this ain't alien enough, "Compose yourself, like a self-aware opera, conjurer
In the zone like Sonic, to produce me
A sign of the end times in time
To make profit off the t-shirts (shirts)
And monetize all our research and leave Earth feet first
Breech, behold """
@@potatotalitarian4231 Is this Lupe?
This is a GREAT conversation piece! It 12 AM here and I had to hit my boys IMMEDIATELY to have our out discussion...
I think both are equally talented. Both aren’t afraid to handle the deep stuff that is thought provoking and relatable. These are each artist has the ability to make you pause and think. I believe they respect each. IMO
Yeah, of course he is. Kendrick doesn't even use half the skill Lupe does. Lupe has intricate bars, that you have to breaking down multiple times to get the meaning of. Kendrick is awesome, but Lupe is a better lyricist.
Kendrick and Lupe on a collab EP produced by RZA & Prince Paul. I would cream it until I'm dying of dehydration.
Aesop Rock vs Lupe is a way better discussion if you really want to get into complex raps.
Lupe and Ka too
Eeeeexactly
Doesnt he just rap random words that rhyme?
@@thatladfromsheffield No he doesn't
@@dadorage1695 doesn't..like bossoms above the love muscle controlling bicentennial truffles like my penny is muffled?
I feel like people underestimate the number of hits/classics lupe has. I heard “Streets on Fire” the other day and it’s unreal how relevant it is with covid and police brutality of 2020. This debate is apples to apples
Big Facts 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯🔥
Loved Secion 80 (hii power & ADHD) and Good kid maad city. Loved Food and liquor (Hurt me soul), The cool (gold watch), Tetsuo & Youth, Drogas Wave (Listen to Alan Forever). Both artists are amazing. It's about time they colab.
only reason y’all keep saying mainstream is because kendrick is so big. his music not even watered down.
Mainstream doesn't mean watered down so the statement still stands. If your entire country knows who you are, and you're performing at the Grammys and are getting awards from the most popular institutions you are mainstream. Its not a word used to describe something inauthentic, its a word used to describe how popular something is. Kendrick charts billboard every time he drops music. That's mainstream.
You think his verse on Taylor Swift’s Bad Blood wasn’t watered down?
I'll say at times I've thought Ab-Soul was better than Dot lyrically.
Same.. Soul is slept on
Lyrically ab soul is fucking crazy lol listen to world wide web
Agree
Soulho a fucking monstre
Kendrick has said it himself lol
Both artists are skilled and elite. The final judgment will be based using the 5 Ancient Pillars of Rhyme Skills:
1.FLOW - Kendrick
2.LYRICISM - Lupe
3.DEPTH - Lupe (by a hair)
4.VERSATILITY of rhyme styles - Kendrick (by a hair)
5.CADENCE (confidence in ability and conviction of bars spit) - EVEN
CONCLUSION - both are 🔥 🔥 🔥
Both are great 🔥🔥🔥
Lol
Give Lupe his flowers
loved the dialogue. good points all around. 2 great artists. one of which hasn't quite got the respect and reverence he deserves though
Facts. Lupe has been unfortunately blackballed by the industry.