it's a funny contrast in a way, if this was an american mafia video game saejima would have walked in with a submachine gun either an uzi or depending on the time period a chicago typewriter and hosed the place down
@@J0hnHenrySNEEDen Spoilers Ahead: Every single person that Saejima shot in this scene was hit by a rubber bullet. Saejima didnt kill anyone, he was set up so that hed unknowingly went to prison when they were still alive. This is also prevalent all across Yakuza 4 in general, and it seems as if nobody can aim for the head or confirm their kill.
@@bigboss6145 It's even better when you consider the person who intended to fake this murder *_took the rubber bullets from the only place they were experimentally available, and somehow thought this would be overlooked when their co-conspirator went and shot every single person in the restaurant in the head afterwards_* Then you have the hilarious amount of blood at 2:48 and it makes *even less sense* Of course the only time anyone gets shot in the head from frankly impossible distances is right after they've spilled their guts or are about to. It pops up 10 times out of 10 just like the new love interest/kyoudai taking a bullet for Kazuma. Majima must be really genre savvy to have abandoned Makoto when he had.
@@KaiTenSatsuma so it was explained in this scene that all the "blood" you see when Saejima shoots a person is all just soup or sauce given the "blood's" distinct orange tint when it flys everywhere
To everyone in the comments, all I can say is look up how dangerous rubber bullets used to be when they were created. Saejima knocked them out unconscious and the blood is real.
The fact this was made to be a traumatizing event for Saejima and more of a dark, heavily regretted moment and people still call it cool is funny to me
When I played Yakuza 4 I was already aware of the shootout from the flashbacks playing Y0, so finally seeing the shootout was the best payoff I’ve seen.
Back while playing yakuza 0 . I dint know this scene had a whole game . Thought it was some memories of majima early life. Even then I thought it looked badass but now this whole protagonist is badass
I feel like people don’t appreciate the weight of this scene. Kiryu saejima majima and the bunch of protags are seen to be able to take out dozens of men on their own. However, canonically this was the first time someone has ever taken on more than 10 men on their own, let alone 20. And saejima fucking murdered all of them. This feat was so impressive to the entire yakuza world that literally everyone from low life criminals to yakuza bosses remembered saejima’s name for 25 FUCKING YEARS. Kiryu, majima, nishiki etc. was still far from making legends of themselves, but here is where saejima made himself a legend already.
The reason people hate this scene is that it was made completely irrelevant by the plot twist and heavily downplays a perfectly good plot and setup on Saejima's part by just going "Nah rubber bullets lmao dw you didnt kill anyone"
@@maxjohnson65 exactly, you can't tell me Sejima didn't notice that nobody had a bullet hole and blood all over them. Also they should've at least a few screaming in pain. But this is always the case with the Yakuza series, the writers fuck up the best plot points with something incredible unbelievable stupid. Saejima is my favorite character and had one of the most interesting story lines in a Yakuza imo. It ruined tons of interesting and cool plotlines and it made everything feels a bit too looney and unbelievable.
@@yeremiaputra7213 literally the other way around. It got way more meaning and nuance, compared to just a guy who is known for killing bunch of people for a very bland reason.
@@AmelpsXett wdym "a very bland reason" that's literally how the yakuza and gangs work lmao The nuance isn't in his character alone, but with Kiryu. Kiryu being the pacifist while Saejima is a mass shooter + it made his speech useless and made a bunch of plot holes in his backstory
@@jeanmahmoudventilateur3480 "that's how yakuza and gang works" Not really, no, plus it's not what RGG series are about. It is bland whatever way you spin it "With Saejima being a mass shooter and Kiryu being a "pacifist"" ...aand? Where is the nuance??? It's literally just contrast between 2 characters with no actual meaning to it. "It made his speech useless and created bunch of plot holes" 1. It didn't lol. No matter if he killed them or not, everyone sees him as a murderer with no way to prove his innocence. The kills might as well be real 2. I fucking dare you to actually point out the "plot holes". I seen this statement so many times even though it's the dumbest shit ever. How tf do you think they gonna make a plot hole like that in a fully planned story from the start to finish? Do you think they didn't finish the script before the development ended lmao?
Honestly, Saejima killed at least 4-5 guys. Rubber bullets still penetrated through the shirt, broke the skin, tore through flesh, and fractured or broke ribs, or even pierced vitals. If it weren't for the vitals or broken ribs, it was the blood loss. Katsuragi would definitely be shooting already dead bodies by the time he woke up and made sure they're all dead.
@@kinghashbrown7998 Not to mention the extremely close range, even when using rubber bullets. That's just straight up point blank range, and all "less than lethal" effects are thrown out the window.
@@garrysucks4190nope. In the scene where Munakata is going over Suguichi’s final report of the ramen shootout, he literally says all of the men died by a fatal headshot. So canonically, they didn’t die of the rubber bullets, but actually of Katsuragi headshotting them.
2:48 the only “blood splatter” in this entire scene, likely just shot the dude through a bowl of ramen but it is meant to deceive you. i saw this before i knew about the rubber bullets and was like “hey wait no the cutscene showed him perforating dudes” when they made that reveal. all of the other shots can be clearly seen to not splatter or wound
What do you mean through a bowl of ramen, he's crawling on the floor, was he just enjoying a nice steaming bowl of floor ramen? All the ramen that was knocked over is gonna be spilled all over the floor, not in perfectly splashable intact bowls.
You mean the ramen that fell on the other side of the table? That magically was on the guy? That's the only way you could have gotten a splatter like that is if he was covered in it.
You realize this was all planned by Katsuragi, the moment he realized he was a dead man, he set upon the plans in motion, supplying Saejima with the guns, preventing Majima from intervening so only Saejima takes the fall. The hit went better than planned. The perfect excuse to speak.
How so? In order for Katsuragi's plan to work, he and Ueno needed to survive. But at the same time, they needed dead bodies to make the killing look like Saejima's doing, and that Katsuragi and Ueno were lucky (much more easily explainable than, say, a random dude with a shitton of revolvers going in, putting bullets in everyone but not actually scoring any kills). Is it convoluted? Sure it is, but it ensured that Katsuragi and the Chairman remained alive to try and exact revenge at some point (although I could have done without the police getting involved, that for me is where 4 lost a shitton of steam story-wise).
What do you mean how so? Katsuragi's plan relied on super secret experimental police bullets that immediately knocked out people that were shot with them regardless of where they were shot and that Saejima wouldn't notice that nobody was bleeding.
I take it you haven't played Yakuza 4, but they are actually rubber bullets. Saejima was unknowingly given rubber bullets, the entire thing is a frame job. Someone else killed everyone after he leaves.
Yakuza 4 is what got me into the Yakuza series, this was one of my favorite moments in the game. but finding out the "twist" about rubber bullets is really lame.
I liked the twist as it gives Saejima a method to get past the torture of the regrets he had from that day. Remember the speech he gives in the fight arena. At least thats what i took from it.
@@NIRO_II I look at it the other way around. Saejima is wracked with guilt over his actions, only to find out that he never did it begin with? It removes the consequences of his actions from the dynamic, and Saejima loses what makes him different from the other protagonists. The rubber bullets bs was probably a cop out because the writers probably thought the people playing the game wouldn’t enjoy playing the role of a mass murderer. So as a consequence, Saejima becomes yet another Kiryu and Majima, a guy who never can kill anyone, regardless of the circumstances. It’s not bad that he didn’t kill, it’s just stupid how Saejima can’t have something different from the other guys. I hope I made sense there.
@@edman9953 So much of this i fucking swear i hated the whole "pure boi" thing they keep trying to do with anyone who isn't a villian in the franchise.
The thing here is even with the twist it didn’t change the fact that saejima went in there with the intention of killing all those people. Even if it ended up not being the case, he lived that long thinking it was and thinking like that for a long time changes a person. So I don’t really think it completely ruins saejima but it definitely lowers the gravity of everything.
I doubt at this point he could. It was prison life that made him truly strong, he had to fight every day to survive, without any weapon to protect himself.
All right despite the rubber bullets twist ruining the scene its still well shot & looks great straight out of a classic Yakuza or Hong Kong Triad crime movie.
I'm gonna cut this scene some slack on the rubber bullets thing (mostly because I really like it and Saejima's character), and try to salvage it by saying that it's from Saejima's perspective. Their injuries look fatal and they appear to be dead because from his perspective he's going "Boom, headshot, done, onto the next one." And rubber bullets from this range, whether they're the fictionalized "super-secret R&D rubber bullets" in this game or just normal ones used irl, will seriously mess you up. A headshot would certainly knock you out and cause some serious bleeding. A point-blank shot in the stomach can break skin and would certainly incapacitate you. I think the overall framing of the scene also lends itself to this interpretation. Starting at 2:44, there's a reddish-orange ramen broth that gets spilled all over the place. This causes the guy who gets shot at 2:48 to, apparently, spout out a ton of blood. But it's not blood, it's a totally different shade from the guy Saejima punches a few seconds later at 2:58. That doesn't matter though, your brain saw it as blood, and so did Saejima in the heat of the moment. Ultimately, rubber bullets or not, this was a John Wick-tier feat (he's even got the hair) -- if you felt disappointed by the rubber bullets twist, consider that maybe you might be feeling the same way as Saejima, that all his amazing, twisted efforts were effectively for nothing. And looking at the scene in hindsight, you can even get the feeling of a setup. Look at Katauragi's overdramatic "deaths" at 3:29 and 4:29. He knew it was fake, so he felt the need to ham things up, unlike the other guys, who all thought they had actually been shot and fell without any dramatic flair. Anyway, there's my cope attempt at saving the scene. It's still kind of a letdown that it was a (rather contrived) setup, I'll admit, but I don't actually think it ruins anything, and like I said the disappointment kind of gives you a way to empathize with poor Taiga.
finally someone who gets it. I think the twist is kind of funny but it doesn't ruin this scene at all. the murders were real to saejima for 25 years and they're still real to everyone who's heard the legend. the only thing the twist changes is that saejima gets to be relieved of some of the guilt he's been carrying which allowed him to grow as a person. he still remembers that day and the feeling he felt showed him how awful killing is and he still abides by his code because of it
@@HeavySandvichGuy1 It's really cleverly disguised, though- my compliments to the choreographers of this scene, you only really notice this when you watch it another time! ... Sorry for the reply after so long.
You guys know that at close range even a rubber bullet can pierce skin and cause mild to severe external and internal bleeding right? Any less lethal projectile can and will act like a live projectile if used improperly
This is THE most hard-core fucking scene in the entire franchise and the fact that it was all rubber bullets is goddamn disingenuous. They NEVER should have dialed it back.
i love how these are supposed to be rubber bullets but...im pretty sure those times he shot someone POINT BLANK in the stomach, face or chest would've legit killed them realistically, rubber bullet or not especially when that one guy just spews blood out of his chest at about 2:48
I saw a comment that said that maybe the blood was actually just the bullet hitting a ramen bowl, it does kinda look like the blood is the same color as the ramen broth
Love the moment when he kicks the bowl. Reminds me of old Soviet comedy about escaped cons, when the protagonist kicks the tea kettle in the cell, proving his OG status.
Holy shit. Load up "animals - House of the rising sun in another tab, mute this, and start playing it just as saejima starts walking in. It works so well lol
originally being see as cold and heartless and then his emotional breakdown in the colosseum all. All was ruined the moment rubber bullets became the plot twist
Not really, it shown the senseless nature of how Yakuza like Saejima cling onto to oaths and honor only for schemers to take everything they have. Saejima's path parallels Kiryu to the point he loses everything but was pushed by a former schemer'a last words to keep going forward like a tiger with blood on its face and claws out
The entire “rubber bullet” thing still pisses me off. Like you can clearly see blood splatter when people get hit (as well as spreading pools of blood on their clothes) and it’s pretty freaking obvious to anyone if someone gets hit by a rubber bullet or a live round. Not to mention the fact that Majima and Saijima would’ve probably inspected both the weapons and ammunition beforehand and noticed that “Hey wait a minute, this is rubber bullets!” It’s just… Dumb. Like come on. Why couldn’t they just let the bullets be real?
So here I am playing Yakuza 4 Remastered and I see an army of dudes get out the car and I say to myself, “Saejima can take these guys. He’s got 6 guns and I’ve seen plenty of John Wu movies,” and then he fucking pulled out the akimbo pistols and went absolutely nuts.
I'm pretty sure he must've killed atleast 4 or 5 despite the rubber bullets which can still do damage, he literally shot one of them in the head point blank.
A decade later this scene *still* doesn't make any goddamn sense,, like, 2:48? Either Seijima shot a bowl of Ramen or *_That's a lot of blood for a non-lethal bullet_*
you have to remember that Japanese people aren't as exposed to blood as westerners are, also tv shows tend to be less graphic than manga for example: where the anime might censor lewd parts with fog or intense beams of light the manga will show it off in all it's titillating glory
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 you don't know jack shit about Japanese media do you? That shit gets censored *_when it comes HERE_* Japanese TV doesn't show genitalia or nipples either but blood and viscera? That isn't quite as strange.
@Joong Kim I just realized it literally is that, and the camera is angled to make you think it is actually blood. Genius. Now, granted, at that range rubber bullets would absolutely still kill you
this is the moment when Saejima became "18 Count Saejima" (yes this is basically a 'Walter became Heisenberg' comment, I am shameless enough to admit it)
Fucking great series Ryu ga gotoku is so much underrated. They're going to release the Yakuza HD collection (1 and 2), let's pray they release it in europe.
Now we have the chance to see Yakuza 1 remade (yeah a real PS4 game, not a remaster), called Yakuza Kiwami, it's arriving in a few days here in France (august 29th). Nagoshi said he'd love to remake all yakuza series, let's hope Sega gives him the keys.
Well, just played, I mean, watched this part and that was down right Tarantinesque (reminded me of Pulp Fiction) with a bit of Korean masterpiece Oldboy. Can't get better than that. Congrats to the Yakuza team for such a badass scene.
@@tableprinterdoor a bit late here, but a nickname is not your real name. Maybe this guy has some similar physical aspects to Saejima and his friends decided to call him so.
I love it when movies and games make these cinematic shootouts quick and clumsy as hell, especially amongst generally inexperienced shooters in close combat. It hightens the stakes and makes it much more impactful.
Guys! It isn't blood, it's marinara sauce from the ramen, it's really traditional. And it's definetly not weird to put in ramen. Also it isn't a weird thing to have in a ramen shop, not at all...
I would say that they could survive even if shot point blank, if the bullets didn't hit any vitals. Most of the shots were to the torso or back, but I would hazard a guess and say that some might have died if they didn't go to a hospital.
honestly, the biggest let down in the entire yakuza series, is the retcon of this scene. think how much more depth saejima's character would have if he actually killed they people.
I don't think it ruins Saejima, he actually went in with the intent to kill, and thought he was killing. It's just doesn't make much sense. Yes, rubber bullets hit hard, and can incapacitate, but to put out 18 people in a row? Without not noticing that there's no blood or visible wounds?
Someone else pointed out but the lack of flashy choreography or good motion makes this scene feel tense. He’s not styling with gun fu, he’s in a cramped space and slugging when he gets too close.
The rubber bullet twist is really stupid but you have to admire the effort they put into animating this cutscene to reflect that. For example at 3:25 when Katsuragi shoots Saejima you can see the blood splatter out the bullet wound since he is using real bullets but when Saejima shoots him back there is nothing except smoke and the cloth tear. Another is the clear difference between the the soup at 2:49 and the blood when he punches the goon at 2:59. There's a lot of little details that you would overlook on a first watch but is pretty genius subversion when you know the twist.
Close range shots could spew some blood but most of the reddish liquid in the scene is actually ramen. Watch it again. The location choice wasn't random.
Rubber bullets doesnt mean that they are weak. A rubber bullet directly fired into someone has every capacity to wound and even kill someone just like a real bullet. It's also why law enforcement fire rubber bullets by bouncing them into the ground, and rarely directly into someone unless their intentions are to injure
3:54 Look familiar? The part you're seeing was just noodle broth splashing that looked like blood on the first time. If you do look at real blood about 10 seconds after your clip, as Saejmia is punching a guy in the face, it looks quite different.
In this scene, all the guns in Japan
I get that joke.
As if Saejima had bought all God Damn GUNS, and none is left for anyone else but himself
it's a funny contrast in a way, if this was an american mafia video game saejima would have walked in with a submachine gun either an uzi or depending on the time period a chicago typewriter and hosed the place down
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 if it was an American mafia, all the men would have guns.
Yeah that's why he was forced to bring 6 stub 6 shooter revolvers. They are probably cop revolvers
I thought everyone was memeing with the whole "rubber bullets" thing, but holy shit they were actually telling the truth.
I might sound dumb but mind giving me some context
@@J0hnHenrySNEEDen
Spoilers Ahead:
Every single person that Saejima shot in this scene was hit by a rubber bullet. Saejima didnt kill anyone, he was set up so that hed unknowingly went to prison when they were still alive. This is also prevalent all across Yakuza 4 in general, and it seems as if nobody can aim for the head or confirm their kill.
@@bigboss6145 It's even better when you consider the person who intended to fake this murder *_took the rubber bullets from the only place they were experimentally available, and somehow thought this would be overlooked when their co-conspirator went and shot every single person in the restaurant in the head afterwards_*
Then you have the hilarious amount of blood at 2:48 and it makes *even less sense*
Of course the only time anyone gets shot in the head from frankly impossible distances is right after they've spilled their guts or are about to. It pops up 10 times out of 10 just like the new love interest/kyoudai taking a bullet for Kazuma.
Majima must be really genre savvy to have abandoned Makoto when he had.
@@KaiTenSatsuma so it was explained in this scene that all the "blood" you see when Saejima shoots a person is all just soup or sauce given the "blood's" distinct orange tint when it flys everywhere
To everyone in the comments, all I can say is look up how dangerous rubber bullets used to be when they were created. Saejima knocked them out unconscious and the blood is real.
Wow, he's literally armed to the teeth with this one.
reminds me of zoro from one piece
Yeah
Poetic
It reminded me of Dante in dmc 4 I think
Six Gun Style
Ignoring the fact that those were rubber bullets, this is still one of the most coolest, and badass things I've ever seen.
Terrifying for me
Not to mention that Saijima wasn't suspicious that one of the rival yakuza shot him at close range and all but one miss him
Honestly i don't care much about the rubber bullets, scene is still dope as fuck with or without it
The fact this was made to be a traumatizing event for Saejima and more of a dark, heavily regretted moment and people still call it cool is funny to me
When I played Yakuza 4 I was already aware of the shootout from the flashbacks playing Y0, so finally seeing the shootout was the best payoff I’ve seen.
Back while playing yakuza 0 . I dint know this scene had a whole game . Thought it was some memories of majima early life. Even then I thought it looked badass but now this whole protagonist is badass
Dude, nothing hyped me up more for 4 than those flashbacks and images.
The “these are all rubber bullets!” plotline almost fully ruined this moment for me
Why? Isn't it more impressive that he took them all out with less strong bullets
@@corvingraustein5812 2:48 there's literally blood coming out of that guy's head
@@gmz7820 the bullets are loaded with ketchup and explode wen shot st close range
No wonder jingu shot nishiyama And reina cuz of the rubber bullets
@@gmz7820 I don’t think that’s blood
I'd love to see this scene made into a live action sequence. If the choreography and the effects were good enough, it would be amazing.
was thinking the same, i felt like i was watching a classic movie scene
Ik im 5 years late, but you should watch john woo’s a better tomorrow for something very similar
saejima role will be play by dwanye johnson
Saejima will be Dave Bautista in the remake
So like, u want John Wick, right?
It may not be an H-game, but Yakuza shows us the difference that using a rubber makes.
Underrated comment
I don't get it
@@kahjunn9427 According to the story, he was not using real bullets. Rubber ones.
@@Jafes2011 yes, I know that, but I don't get the H-game joke
@@Jafes2011 why was he using rubber bullets btw?
I feel like people don’t appreciate the weight of this scene. Kiryu saejima majima and the bunch of protags are seen to be able to take out dozens of men on their own. However, canonically this was the first time someone has ever taken on more than 10 men on their own, let alone 20. And saejima fucking murdered all of them. This feat was so impressive to the entire yakuza world that literally everyone from low life criminals to yakuza bosses remembered saejima’s name for 25 FUCKING YEARS. Kiryu, majima, nishiki etc. was still far from making legends of themselves, but here is where saejima made himself a legend already.
The reason people hate this scene is that it was made completely irrelevant by the plot twist and heavily downplays a perfectly good plot and setup on Saejima's part by just going "Nah rubber bullets lmao dw you didnt kill anyone"
@@maxjohnson65 exactly, you can't tell me Sejima didn't notice that nobody had a bullet hole and blood all over them. Also they should've at least a few screaming in pain. But this is always the case with the Yakuza series, the writers fuck up the best plot points with something incredible unbelievable stupid. Saejima is my favorite character and had one of the most interesting story lines in a Yakuza imo.
It ruined tons of interesting and cool plotlines and it made everything feels a bit too looney and unbelievable.
@@Bounty2223 Wow you're angry. Too bad. You want it one way, but it's the other way.
@@REDEEMERWOLF fan of rubber bullets i see
Killed 18 guys, this is one underrated gem right here
If we ignore the rubber bullets plot twist this is arguably one of the coolest scenes in the entire series
why ignore it?
@@AmelpsXett the impact of the scene is less meaningful
@@yeremiaputra7213 literally the other way around. It got way more meaning and nuance, compared to just a guy who is known for killing bunch of people for a very bland reason.
@@AmelpsXett wdym "a very bland reason" that's literally how the yakuza and gangs work lmao
The nuance isn't in his character alone, but with Kiryu. Kiryu being the pacifist while Saejima is a mass shooter
+ it made his speech useless and made a bunch of plot holes in his backstory
@@jeanmahmoudventilateur3480 "that's how yakuza and gang works"
Not really, no, plus it's not what RGG series are about. It is bland whatever way you spin it
"With Saejima being a mass shooter and Kiryu being a "pacifist"" ...aand? Where is the nuance??? It's literally just contrast between 2 characters with no actual meaning to it.
"It made his speech useless and created bunch of plot holes"
1. It didn't lol. No matter if he killed them or not, everyone sees him as a murderer with no way to prove his innocence. The kills might as well be real
2. I fucking dare you to actually point out the "plot holes". I seen this statement so many times even though it's the dumbest shit ever. How tf do you think they gonna make a plot hole like that in a fully planned story from the start to finish? Do you think they didn't finish the script before the development ended lmao?
I like how the only other guy with the gun shot like 6 times and only hit twice. None of them fatal.
Katsuragi didnt want to kill saejima
@@snfDoctor oh shit now I get it
Lol
He had so much chances to aim for the head
It was on purpose
Honestly, Saejima killed at least 4-5 guys. Rubber bullets still penetrated through the shirt, broke the skin, tore through flesh, and fractured or broke ribs, or even pierced vitals. If it weren't for the vitals or broken ribs, it was the blood loss. Katsuragi would definitely be shooting already dead bodies by the time he woke up and made sure they're all dead.
Ye I was also thinking the same he definitely fatally wounded alot of those guys rubber or not
@@kinghashbrown7998 Not to mention the extremely close range, even when using rubber bullets. That's just straight up point blank range, and all "less than lethal" effects are thrown out the window.
Thank you! I’ve been saying for ages that the whole rubber bullet thing doesn’t hold water. You don’t even shoot directly with those those things.
It's likely he killed a few since in a later scene katsauragi shoots guys that haven't even got up
@@garrysucks4190nope. In the scene where Munakata is going over Suguichi’s final report of the ramen shootout, he literally says all of the men died by a fatal headshot. So canonically, they didn’t die of the rubber bullets, but actually of Katsuragi headshotting them.
This is one of my favorite scenes in any game
2:48 the only “blood splatter” in this entire scene, likely just shot the dude through a bowl of ramen but it is meant to deceive you. i saw this before i knew about the rubber bullets and was like “hey wait no the cutscene showed him perforating dudes” when they made that reveal. all of the other shots can be clearly seen to not splatter or wound
What do you mean through a bowl of ramen, he's crawling on the floor, was he just enjoying a nice steaming bowl of floor ramen?
All the ramen that was knocked over is gonna be spilled all over the floor, not in perfectly splashable intact bowls.
You mean the ramen that fell on the other side of the table? That magically was on the guy? That's the only way you could have gotten a splatter like that is if he was covered in it.
You realize this was all planned by Katsuragi, the moment he realized he was a dead man, he set upon the plans in motion, supplying Saejima with the guns, preventing Majima from intervening so only Saejima takes the fall. The hit went better than planned. The perfect excuse to speak.
Yes that is the plot of the game.
How so? In order for Katsuragi's plan to work, he and Ueno needed to survive. But at the same time, they needed dead bodies to make the killing look like Saejima's doing, and that Katsuragi and Ueno were lucky (much more easily explainable than, say, a random dude with a shitton of revolvers going in, putting bullets in everyone but not actually scoring any kills). Is it convoluted? Sure it is, but it ensured that Katsuragi and the Chairman remained alive to try and exact revenge at some point (although I could have done without the police getting involved, that for me is where 4 lost a shitton of steam story-wise).
What do you mean how so? Katsuragi's plan relied on super secret experimental police bullets that immediately knocked out people that were shot with them regardless of where they were shot and that Saejima wouldn't notice that nobody was bleeding.
Richard Thompson Which he would have access to via Sugiuchi, the Yakuza on the inside.
The problem isn't that Katsuragi couldn't have gotten the magic knockout bullets, it's that the magic knockout bullets existed in the first place.
1:55 he is literally armed to the teeth
ba dum tss
😂😂
1:55
They really want you to think those were rubber bullets,but I'm pretty sure thats just what saejima tells himself so he can sleep peacefully
I take it you haven't played Yakuza 4, but they are actually rubber bullets. Saejima was unknowingly given rubber bullets, the entire thing is a frame job. Someone else killed everyone after he leaves.
@@Zoomii5 Katsuragi killed them
And Majima was late b/c he got captured
@@julianius484He knew that he's saying if they were hypothetically real bullets.
Yakuza 4 is what got me into the Yakuza series, this was one of my favorite moments in the game. but finding out the "twist" about rubber bullets is really lame.
I liked the twist as it gives Saejima a method to get past the torture of the regrets he had from that day. Remember the speech he gives in the fight arena. At least thats what i took from it.
lol nah rubber bullets to the head is lethal enough. He def still got some bodies on him. 😂
@@NIRO_II I look at it the other way around. Saejima is wracked with guilt over his actions, only to find out that he never did it begin with? It removes the consequences of his actions from the dynamic, and Saejima loses what makes him different from the other protagonists. The rubber bullets bs was probably a cop out because the writers probably thought the people playing the game wouldn’t enjoy playing the role of a mass murderer.
So as a consequence, Saejima becomes yet another Kiryu and Majima, a guy who never can kill anyone, regardless of the circumstances. It’s not bad that he didn’t kill, it’s just stupid how Saejima can’t have something different from the other guys. I hope I made sense there.
@@edman9953 So much of this i fucking swear i hated the whole "pure boi" thing they keep trying to do with anyone who isn't a villian in the franchise.
The thing here is even with the twist it didn’t change the fact that saejima went in there with the intention of killing all those people. Even if it ended up not being the case, he lived that long thinking it was and thinking like that for a long time changes a person. So I don’t really think it completely ruins saejima but it definitely lowers the gravity of everything.
That's goddamn hardcore. No more place to the last revolver? I'll put it in my damn mouth then.
honestly Saejima is so beastmode he could probably kill all of them them bare handed
I doubt at this point he could. It was prison life that made him truly strong, he had to fight every day to survive, without any weapon to protect himself.
All right despite the rubber bullets twist ruining the scene its still well shot & looks great straight out of a classic Yakuza or Hong Kong Triad crime movie.
"Yakuza can't have you playing as a killer, so here's the most contrived plot twist imaginable!"
2:23 This is the exact moment saejima became rubber bullets
Rubber bullets or not, Saejima shot a good number of those guys in the throat. That's gonna need some treatment.
They dead bro, Saejima snuffed their lives out
I'm gonna tell my kid this was Hatred (2015)
He sure as hell looks like his name is Not Important.
I'm gonna cut this scene some slack on the rubber bullets thing (mostly because I really like it and Saejima's character), and try to salvage it by saying that it's from Saejima's perspective. Their injuries look fatal and they appear to be dead because from his perspective he's going "Boom, headshot, done, onto the next one." And rubber bullets from this range, whether they're the fictionalized "super-secret R&D rubber bullets" in this game or just normal ones used irl, will seriously mess you up. A headshot would certainly knock you out and cause some serious bleeding. A point-blank shot in the stomach can break skin and would certainly incapacitate you.
I think the overall framing of the scene also lends itself to this interpretation. Starting at 2:44, there's a reddish-orange ramen broth that gets spilled all over the place. This causes the guy who gets shot at 2:48 to, apparently, spout out a ton of blood. But it's not blood, it's a totally different shade from the guy Saejima punches a few seconds later at 2:58. That doesn't matter though, your brain saw it as blood, and so did Saejima in the heat of the moment.
Ultimately, rubber bullets or not, this was a John Wick-tier feat (he's even got the hair) -- if you felt disappointed by the rubber bullets twist, consider that maybe you might be feeling the same way as Saejima, that all his amazing, twisted efforts were effectively for nothing. And looking at the scene in hindsight, you can even get the feeling of a setup. Look at Katauragi's overdramatic "deaths" at 3:29 and 4:29. He knew it was fake, so he felt the need to ham things up, unlike the other guys, who all thought they had actually been shot and fell without any dramatic flair.
Anyway, there's my cope attempt at saving the scene. It's still kind of a letdown that it was a (rather contrived) setup, I'll admit, but I don't actually think it ruins anything, and like I said the disappointment kind of gives you a way to empathize with poor Taiga.
finally someone who gets it. I think the twist is kind of funny but it doesn't ruin this scene at all. the murders were real to saejima for 25 years and they're still real to everyone who's heard the legend. the only thing the twist changes is that saejima gets to be relieved of some of the guilt he's been carrying which allowed him to grow as a person. he still remembers that day and the feeling he felt showed him how awful killing is and he still abides by his code because of it
the guy at 2:48 is fucking dead, that was no rubber bullet
Rubber blood.... but seriously, he's gone
That was soup. A few seconds before, you can see soup being spilled and it has the same color
That was ramen. Look at the color.
@@HeavySandvichGuy1 It's really cleverly disguised, though- my compliments to the choreographers of this scene, you only really notice this when you watch it another time! ... Sorry for the reply after so long.
You guys know that at close range even a rubber bullet can pierce skin and cause mild to severe external and internal bleeding right? Any less lethal projectile can and will act like a live projectile if used improperly
Over 10 guys... 6 six-shooters, 36 bullets... no problem!
This is THE most hard-core fucking scene in the entire franchise and the fact that it was all rubber bullets is goddamn disingenuous. They NEVER should have dialed it back.
龍が如くで最も重要なアイテムはゴムです
You not gonna believe this chrissy, he killed 18 yakuza members, guy was an interior decorator.
His dojo looked like shit
"Remember, no Seiwa clans."
*goons
i would love to see this scene in the dragon engine
i love how these are supposed to be rubber bullets but...im pretty sure those times he shot someone POINT BLANK in the stomach, face or chest would've legit killed them realistically, rubber bullet or not
especially when that one guy just spews blood out of his chest at about 2:48
I saw a comment that said that maybe the blood was actually just the bullet hitting a ramen bowl, it does kinda look like the blood is the same color as the ramen broth
That's the ramen broth
Orange blood, naw that's soup
@@julianius484 Where is the Ramen bowl? You think ramen broth magically appeared in front of this guys face?
@@Redahoge10here is the bowl? Why don't we see a single peice of it shatter?
No yakuza were killed in the filming of this scene.
Oh dont worry majima is just getting rubber tortured nothing to worry abt😊
John Woo -style shootouts are much better when only one guy is armed.
*two
Was sort of relieved for saejima that he didn't kill anyone in the end, but it sure took the depth out of his character
Love the moment when he kicks the bowl. Reminds me of old Soviet comedy about escaped cons, when the protagonist kicks the tea kettle in the cell, proving his OG status.
i’m genuinely surprised this series is not more popular. i only really found out about these games in like 2019
This is the most gangster shit I've ever seen.
Holy shit. Load up "animals - House of the rising sun in another tab, mute this, and start playing it just as saejima starts walking in. It works so well lol
its like watching a completely different cinematic
it's like something out of a tarantino movie, another alternative is paint it black by the rolling stones
Saejima went full hotline miami
This is me when PT is cancelled by Konami
Don’t worry, pyramid head is in dead by daylight
Pilent tills?
originally being see as cold and heartless and then his emotional breakdown in the colosseum all. All was ruined the moment rubber bullets became the plot twist
Not really, it shown the senseless nature of how Yakuza like Saejima cling onto to oaths and honor only for schemers to take everything they have. Saejima's path parallels Kiryu to the point he loses everything but was pushed by a former schemer'a last words to keep going forward like a tiger with blood on its face and claws out
its "ruined" if you're stupid
Damn, this dude sure didn’t come with empty handed
THIS GOES HARD AF
This is straight out of a John Woo movie - reminds me a lot of A Better Tomorrow
Saejima: I kill a Bunch of guys more than ten all by myself..
Kiryu: *I beat 100 men with my bare hand*
The entire “rubber bullet” thing still pisses me off. Like you can clearly see blood splatter when people get hit (as well as spreading pools of blood on their clothes) and it’s pretty freaking obvious to anyone if someone gets hit by a rubber bullet or a live round. Not to mention the fact that Majima and Saijima would’ve probably inspected both the weapons and ammunition beforehand and noticed that “Hey wait a minute, this is rubber bullets!”
It’s just… Dumb. Like come on. Why couldn’t they just let the bullets be real?
Bro actually hearted the comment all those years later
@@kallum39 Heh I actually didn’t even know that he had done that! Thanks for pointing it out for me, my friend! :)
I like to pretend the whole rubber bullets shit isnt real
why?
So here I am playing Yakuza 4 Remastered and I see an army of dudes get out the car and I say to myself, “Saejima can take these guys. He’s got 6 guns and I’ve seen plenty of John Wu movies,” and then he fucking pulled out the akimbo pistols and went absolutely nuts.
I'm pretty sure he must've killed atleast 4 or 5 despite the rubber bullets which can still do damage, he literally shot one of them in the head point blank.
Japanese John Wick right here
One of the best scenes in yakuza and the one that introduced me to the games, my life is forever yours Axtmoerder.
This looks like a scene from The Raid. The camera shakes and the raw...everything.
And the music, too
A decade later this scene *still* doesn't make any goddamn sense,, like, 2:48? Either Seijima shot a bowl of Ramen or *_That's a lot of blood for a non-lethal bullet_*
It's actually soup notice the orange tint
Could be a particularly spicy bowl of udon or ramen. Some if the spices they use make the broth almost blood red
It actually is broth, the same exact color as the ramen broth that was spilled in the bowl and the pot
you have to remember that Japanese people aren't as exposed to blood as westerners are, also tv shows tend to be less graphic than manga for example: where the anime might censor lewd parts with fog or intense beams of light the manga will show it off in all it's titillating glory
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 you don't know jack shit about Japanese media do you? That shit gets censored *_when it comes HERE_*
Japanese TV doesn't show genitalia or nipples either but blood and viscera? That isn't quite as strange.
"My name is not important, What is important is what im about to do."
If these were rubber bullets. Why did that one dude spew blood when shit?
@Joong Kim I just realized it literally is that, and the camera is angled to make you think it is actually blood. Genius. Now, granted, at that range rubber bullets would absolutely still kill you
That sounds painful.
this is the moment when Saejima became "18 Count Saejima"
(yes this is basically a 'Walter became Heisenberg' comment, I am shameless enough to admit it)
Fucking great series Ryu ga gotoku is so much underrated. They're going to release the Yakuza HD collection (1 and 2), let's pray they release it in europe.
Now we have the chance to see Yakuza 1 remade (yeah a real PS4 game, not a remaster), called Yakuza Kiwami, it's arriving in a few days here in France (august 29th). Nagoshi said he'd love to remake all yakuza series, let's hope Sega gives him the keys.
They'll be remaking Yakuza 2 with Yakuza Kiwami 2. I believe 4/5/Deadsouls are available on PS Now....Possibly also 3
@@Nhilzer Will you be getting the Yakuza 3, 4 and 5 remaster collection there, as well?
Lol. This series came a long way. It's entering mainstream territory now
0:16 Saejima bent the door hinges getting out, what a beast of a man! :0
The hardest scene in Yakuza.
Top 10 biggest pranks of all time
Well, just played, I mean, watched this part and that was down right Tarantinesque (reminded me of Pulp Fiction) with a bit of Korean masterpiece Oldboy. Can't get better than that. Congrats to the Yakuza team for such a badass scene.
I am honored to be nicknamed after this badass
Your name is Taiga? Or Saejima?
@@tableprinterdoor a bit late here, but a nickname is not your real name. Maybe this guy has some similar physical aspects to Saejima and his friends decided to call him so.
Honestly, shoutout to the acting chops on these guys.
I love it when movies and games make these cinematic shootouts quick and clumsy as hell, especially amongst generally inexperienced shooters in close combat. It hightens the stakes and makes it much more impactful.
Bro's the dude name 'not important' from Hatred
Guys!
It isn't blood, it's marinara sauce from the ramen, it's really traditional. And it's definetly not weird to put in ramen.
Also it isn't a weird thing to have in a ramen shop, not at all...
Okay, even if they were rubber bullets right? It would still possibly kill those men who he was shooting at point blank range.
I would say that they could survive even if shot point blank, if the bullets didn't hit any vitals. Most of the shots were to the torso or back, but I would hazard a guess and say that some might have died if they didn't go to a hospital.
its a rubber bullet though..
no, saejima kills people, he isnt majima/kiryu
@@xeniarz4129 ......
@@randomduck8679 i guess i didnt get the double joke again, right?
@@xeniarz4129 I'm not sure what to say since I don't know if you played Yakuza 4.
@@randomduck8679 i didn't but u can say
one of my favorite and most badass scenes in the yakuza series
honestly, the biggest let down in the entire yakuza series, is the retcon of this scene. think how much more depth saejima's character would have if he actually killed they people.
I don't think it ruins Saejima, he actually went in with the intent to kill, and thought he was killing. It's just doesn't make much sense. Yes, rubber bullets hit hard, and can incapacitate, but to put out 18 people in a row? Without not noticing that there's no blood or visible wounds?
@@tastethecock5203 when you're in a situation like that i don't think you start asking yourself if you're actually killing them or not.
This is the most American western scene in the franchise
It's borderline Kojima directed.
Someone else pointed out but the lack of flashy choreography or good motion makes this scene feel tense.
He’s not styling with gun fu, he’s in a cramped space and slugging when he gets too close.
Shimano gave Saejima an impossible task. The 18 Ueno Seiwa punks he buried that day laid the foundation of what the Tojo clan is now
hatred 2 looks great
The rubber bullet twist is really stupid but you have to admire the effort they put into animating this cutscene to reflect that. For example at 3:25 when Katsuragi shoots Saejima you can see the blood splatter out the bullet wound since he is using real bullets but when Saejima shoots him back there is nothing except smoke and the cloth tear. Another is the clear difference between the the soup at 2:49 and the blood when he punches the goon at 2:59. There's a lot of little details that you would overlook on a first watch but is pretty genius subversion when you know the twist.
Dudes got more pistols strapped to him than a pirate captain
Cinematograpy is amazing.
3:28 this dude deserves an oscar
This could be a Nerf commercial
We do a little trolling
2:34 that camera movement tho... Kinda reminds me about The Raid movies
“My name is not important”
One of my fav scenes in Y4 so mad Y5 aint got english subs
Yakuza 5 is coming out in the west :D
i know and i already finished it twice lol
Ahem...
This is the moment Saejima became Jackie Estacado.
Saejima killed Tony Soprano
The ramen shop with "Zhao Long" name sounds like it was based on Zhao Yun Zi Long. Or i was just daydreaming
Seriye aşık olmamı sağlayan oyun ve o oyunun en etkileyici sahnesi...
Mlynar killing his enemies here and solidified himself as a knight.
How those bullet are rubber? I see plenty of wounds in this scene. Or blood is also rubber?
Close range shots could spew some blood but most of the reddish liquid in the scene is actually ramen. Watch it again. The location choice wasn't random.
Rubber bullets doesnt mean that they are weak. A rubber bullet directly fired into someone has every capacity to wound and even kill someone just like a real bullet. It's also why law enforcement fire rubber bullets by bouncing them into the ground, and rarely directly into someone unless their intentions are to injure
Wait a minute...Bro, there's a chef behind the counter but-where did he go?
John Wick massacres a ramen shop in Japan and avenges his dog
-1985 colorized
The thing is that Saejima would have cleared out that place faster with his own fists
John Wick 4 Intro Scene would probably go out like this.
2:49 Rubber blood
3:54 Look familiar? The part you're seeing was just noodle broth splashing that looked like blood on the first time. If you do look at real blood about 10 seconds after your clip, as Saejmia is punching a guy in the face, it looks quite different.
@@Greil9 ah yes, the convenient ramen broth that splatters around just as he shoots the guy
Takamura really lost it here, shocking honestly, I never expected him to cause a shootout
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Saejima kills, majima and kiryu doesnt
@@xeniarz4129 The game says he didn't kill any of these guys