The manufacturers have convinced consumers that what they want is an ultra-thin bezel. The mind bending is so complete that people will fight you over this point. IT WAS SOLEY TO REDUCE MANUFACTURING COSTS AND IS IN NO WAY A BENEFIT, RATHER IT IS A LIABILITY TO THE CONSUMER! I hope I can reach even one person with this, but I doubt it. Metal backs, thick bezels, and glass screens is what you actually need but it costs so much no manufacturer will do it anymore and even if they did, you wouldn't buy it. I've seen brand new OLED's that are warped with bent screens because of insufficient bezel and back panel strength. These are very expensive tv's and the consumer deserves better.
@@CarsandCats Manufacturing, shipping and storage. All of which benefit Samsung and NOBODY else. As amazing as the display is for the price, I could never live with that thing in my presence as it's too infuriating
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You're right. And how many years has it lasted so far? And when it comes time to move it - no problem! I put my VT30 plasma in the back of my truck, no box, lying FLAT on a thin moving blanket. I did this because it has a metal back - and moved it 50 miles on a very rough interstate that was under construction. No damage! You CANNOT do that with a new OLED. I would be scared to move one without a box!
this is not true at all. This was done because women make the buying decisions in the home and back in the TVs were, big and ugly. So sleak looking flat panels that blend into the living room absolutely IS what most consumers wanted and still want. You comment is absolute nonsense. No one wants to go back to ugly looking big ass TVs.
Consumer electronics have been going downhill when it comes to building quality for a decade now. TVs today look like disposable trash. So do smartphones.
I feel your pain after going through 5+ LG G2 panels and literally each one have a bunch of green banding on full white screens very visible to my eye. I gave up and got S90C and very happy with the Gen 2 panels. If you need to, maybe wait for S95E or LG G5 in a few months? Or stick with just S90C and get another TV later?
As someone who's worked retail and warehouses unloading trucks, these things happen more than you would think. Supervisors put the workers on a deadline to get things done, so they're trying to get things unloaded ASAP. I've seen lots of merchandise get destroyed. But in terms of the panel you're trying to get, maybe try a different shop? I'm waiting for my remote control to see what panel I have. But yea, it's a hassle going back and forth packing and returning, especially if you don't have help. Dead pixels, green tints, even return and rebuy for a price match because they'd rather you do that than simply price match it.
I just ordered the 77 in coming on Monday from Best Buy. Got membership plus. Can I use Mac for that app you mentioned or do I need PC? Also what’s the magic number to look for when I get into the service menu? Thanks and good luck on the next one!
Most of the Smasung TVs that are very thin have bending. You can see it the store when you look closely. An S95D oder an LG G4 are thicker, so they usually dont bend that easily.
While I understand you are enthusiast like me and we both want the best version of these devices we can get, I do not agree with complaining about Samsung. You are upset about 2000 nits as I would be but most people have no idea about this. Samsung didnt advertise this. Also screen uniformity is a gamble always and its still much better than WOLED panels when it comes to that. The one connect box issue is not something normal TV buyers will ever think about. Its also been proven to work fine with a very good hdmi cable. The only real defect you have had is a bad speaker on your s95c. Every other TV you picked up was totally reasonable for most people, so I do not understand saying Samsung deserves the complaining. On the other hand if I was buying a new tv I would send it back every time as well it was not what I wanted but to blame Samsung is I feel wrong. Also if your getting the new TV's from the same best buy over and over, they probably all come form the same shipment more or less. Maybe you should try another best buy, or have it sent from the warehouse delivered to try and get one from a different batch.
And it seems the s90c series had more of a chance to get a 2000 nit panel and better screen uniformity than the D series. Maybe you should be trying for another s90c.
You're right. Most people wouldn't notice the majority of the issues I had other than the broken sound of the S95Cs. It's true that Samsung doesn't advertise 2000 nits. I didn't order an exchange for the S90C even when I got the 1500 nits panel because everything was perfect.
Does Best Buy keep track of the serial number for total subscriptions? A 77" FA02 from April 2024. I watch TV in Standard, gamma incremencted, active contrast and high color boost. I dont give a fxck. Are my settings for a few hours going to burn in? Most of the time I keep eco and low power on.
I don't know about the subscription, but let your TV shine, and don't worry about burnt-in. The brightness is already restricted in the service menu, so even if you max out the brightness, it is not max
Thanks for pushing me over the edge on deciding on whether or not to return my open-box 55" S90D for an open-box 55" G4 when the prices come back down closer to the end of the year.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 Good to know. I was able to get the S90D and the 5-year GSP for $1200 OTD, so I'm reluctant to exchange it for something that isn't significantly better. I'm still waiting to see how much of an improvement the new WHVA panels will have on the QN90F (particularly blooming and DSE).
With the first gen of QD-OLED, there was a huge problem of bent panels from the factory. A different type of uniformity issues if you will, might actually be another Samsung QC error. I was interested in trying my luck and getting a Samsung, but seeing this story play out is giving me strong doubts. Thanks for showing this in such detail
The people that knew what they were doing are actually Geek Squad. The people that don't know what they're doing is a Third Party Best Buy uses during holidays to keep up. Source: I worked there for 5 years.
I have found it is best to leave on the Styrofoam on the top and sides and then manipulate the tv to install the stand. When I lay it down, I use books to make up the difference in height between the foam and the screen. Once installed, I then remove the foam. Less chance of bending the screen.
@LineageStone All the more reason for me to keep laying the TV face down on my bed while still covered in the foam sheeting when I'm installing the stand mounts.
@@jeffreymorgan1334yeah if it was a smaller tv then I usually just pick it up and lay it down on the bed then throw the stand on. The 65 was easier just leaving it in the base box then putting pillows on the ground to have it high enough to put the base on without lifting anything then tilt it back up.
Good to get this information out. Luckily I havent noticed any issues with my S90D and its been great so far. I got an extended best buy warranty since Ive had issues with these modern tv's before. There doesnt seem to be any real accountability if they destroy the package in shipping or treat it like shit. Great reccomendation, I have no regrets coming off of the LG C8.
I would choose the G4 but the S95D is superior, and it's not even close (especially after unlocking 3000 nits on the SM). The problem is the mat finish, one connect box, and broken sound
My tcl is is 3500 nits. Only 2000 dimming zones but the hdr looks spectacular and can't notice any blooming and has real blacks. I've been waiting for a 77 inch oled i could afford but I'm so happy with this humongous 85 inch mini led. 144hz and vrr is the cherry on top.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 when your channel grows some more you should consider the newer led tvs. You're probably not far off manufacturers sending review units. Love your channel keep it up.
@CarsandCats for me, it was the price. If the price was the same and the same size, I would have bought an oled. It is over double what I paid for my tcl mini led. There are a couple of things the tcl does better than an oled like VRR and 144hz and it's also way brighter. The viewing angles are sub-par, but for this price, it's hard to complain.
@@ivan-j4l9x I understand. Coming from high-end plasma, OF COURSE I wanted an OLED. But I know someone who bought a new Sony and it was warped. He didn't notice until it was wall mounted and it drives him nuts. I went to his house and it has a wave through it! You can't fix that. I bought a mini-LED for brightness, no burn in, has ever feature I need like 144hz and VRR and Dolby Vision (hello Samsung!). If it dies, I'm out less than $1,000 with tax so not worried like I would be with a $2500 OLED.
If you get to keep the bottom cover stand to that s90d would you be willing to sell it? My 65" s90d was an open box from Best Buy labeled "Good" condition but it came with nothing, it was just the TV in a box. I since got everything else but I'm still missing that bottom decorative cover piece. Please let me know if you would want to sell it. Thanks.
I may sound like a fanboy (I'm not), but I had many Sony TVs and none of them had issues and the quality control was very good. I Had an LG C2 and the screen was dirty of some tape out of the box and I had to clean it.
To be fair not many people buy Sony TVs.so they're going to be minimal on reports.99 percent of the people I know have a Samsung,LG,TCL,hisense,in that order.and I don't know of anyone that has a sony.but based on their panel design they definitely do look well built
By the way, I used your white balance settings. I know every tv is different, but they really made a good looking difference. When I watched hockey it looked amazing following your settings.
I'm working on matching the BT2020 calibration of the S90D because it looks absolutely amazing to me. It's so difficult, though. These TVs are very similar. 2 S95Cs I got had different White balance settings on the service menu but the6 looked the same. The 2 S90Ds also looked exactly the same.
what about gray to gray response, my tv create a bad bad motion blur when i move black object with a drak gray background leaving an ugly trail, so i want to upgrade mine is a Q74T very old, does the Q90D have a similar effect ? or its completly gone ?
ah just find out my model has a 80% response time of 7.0ms and a 100% response time of 15.0ms vs the 0.2ms and 1.5ms of the S90D so i guess thats the problem :'D
I have the S90C and It’s very bright. I didn’t make any adjustments at all. The hardest thing I dealt with was mounting the Stand. I disassembled it from the box while it was already standing on the platform where it was going to stay. Left the foam corners on while I tried to attach the stand. This was almost a disaster because I had to lean it forward with one hand and put the stand on at the bottom and I almost dropped it forward off of the platform. It would have crushed the whole front. I will never take the stand off to move it or anything else. 75 inch is massive and really it’s too big for my apartment but I plan on moving to something bigger.
Please read carefully: In 3 years you will not have burn-in, but a much lower brightness of the panel. I have not checked for the latest models, but the first Samsung QD-Oled model had the biggest traces of burn-in after 4000 hours of operation, which after an update were considerably reduced along with the maximum brightness of the panel according to RTINGS tests. The second generation of QD-Oled did not show any more traces of burn-in, but a sharp decrease in brightness after ~4000 hours. LG probably also took over this model of covering the traces of burn-in and reducing the brightness with the 3 series. But the decrease in brightness is much lower because the panel is not so prone to burn-in.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 search "rtings longevity burn in test updates" , you can find S95B and S95C on the page. On the S95B, the dramatic decrease in brightness coincided with the update that visibly reduced the burn-in traces. You can also find images with burn-in at 2000, 4000, 6000 hours in another older article. On the S95C, a decrease occurs at 4000 hours, then it recovered a little over time. The updates probably adjusted the brightness as much as possible versus visible burn-in. The fact is that it is a degenerative process.
29:47 you may need to buy a new one after a few years anyway because if you look at rtings longevity test they show the peak brightness of both QDOLED and WOLED are dropping over time. After 10,000 hours a 10% window in SDR the S95C lost 22%. G3 lost 12%. Not sure how this affects HDR.
Anapeak 1 is for fullscreen and anapeak 2 is for peak brightness? Can you test that? There a chance also that s90d could be woled panel and to qd-OLED. Check subpixel layout with your phone camera.
I always rather pack out my new tv myself and someone out my family. 65 inch is no joke to pack it all in and return it and do the same dance over and over again.
I'm in Australia I was lucky my s95b 65 was perfect my 55 inch s95b was perfect but was really dirty the back on the tv was like someone threw a handful of dirt in the box. Thankfully no scratches or defects just bonus dirt from overseas
Could you check if Dolby Atmos home theater is working on pc ? I also have a s93d 65 inch but Dolby Atmos home theater is not working in Windows but it is on my lg cx 65. The s93d does play atmos audio from a videofile via pc just not the atmos Home Theater. In Windows audio supported audio modes there is no Dolby Atmos but there is on my lg cx. I have a Sony str dn1080 receiver connected with hdmi earc. My s93d is eu version made in Hungary with also 682 apa. I would really appreciate it if you could check the atmos in windows on your s90d. I really like the tv just the atmos not working is very annoying. For now i have to connect the receiver direct to the pc for atmos home theater but that gives me an extra screen in windows that i dont want and cec isnt working also so no auto on/off synced with the tv.( No screen connected to the receiver, just for audio only)
My LG 65 C9 was exactly like that. Wafer thin and had a similar bend. I think it's just the way it goes for TVs that thin and they all do it. If I were you, I wouldn't bother returning it. I sold mine no problem.
The problem is that they said at Bestbuy they wouldn't take a broken TV back if I take it home, they would replace it without issues if they mess up the delivery
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you ! i actually remember you did do that video and went back to it lol i just did the dimming not the 2000 nit mod . because im just waiting to see your video about it on the s90d. dont know if the same mod value you did to the s95c is the same on the s90d. so thats why i havent done it yet.
messed with Samsung 43qn90b mini led as monitor, narrow view angle with color shift in just a head distance. high temperature on back with bad heaksink. 1/3 panel bright leak in bad uniformity. I was using it in three month with uncomfortable feeling every day. Finally, I sold it last week and changed a second hand LG C2 oled 48inch. LG oled well much better product quality than samsung, picture processing, view angle , response time, low temperature on back with better heatsink. Really happy with my LG C2 oled.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I do think Sony and Panasonic both are high quality control with well product design. 2 pan's tv used over 12 years. I have sony x950h at living room and 43x80k and 43x80l in bed rooms, even those are thicker than other brand's tv. but all TVs' temperature are low with well heatsink and dust prevention are better than LG C2. assumed that those TVs could use many years.
The only issue I see is that if it's too high, it's uncomfortable. I'd sit on a desk but have the TV sitting in a lower stand, so I don't have to look up
My 77' S90D shows FA02 on the back also, it was manufactured in May 2024. Like you said maybe all the panels at the beginning of 90D series were different. However I don't have a service remote so I can't confirm that my FA02 panel is 1500 nits
1. My first 65 inch LG C9.... power supply issue kept shutting off and had to get a replacement. 2. 77 inch LG C2... Horrendous banding that didn't go away after 200 hours and manuel pixel refreshes. Had to get a replacement. 3. 83 inch G4, large banding on left side of screen that wouldn't go away after numerous pixel refreshes. Had to get replacement panel. It's just the way TVs are now a days....
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yea I actually couldn't care less about calibration or industry standards and I game and watch movies on color temperature Cool 30. It gives me the brightest peak brightness possible for the panel. Apparently it gets up to 2400 nits on full vivid mode which is all the way cool....
Damn! I always just have them deliver but do the unboxing myself, it's super easy since you can cut the straps and lift the box and the TV will be exposed but still stand. Most tv companies do this so you can inbox and set it up yourself. LG is the only one I had issue with unboxing because the box itself is just one piece you actually have to lift the tv straight up out of the box 😂
Thats make me scary 😅 Next week my S9AD will be delivered, should I cancel it and get the C4, less Stress and better QC from LG or at least Test 1 time the Samsung and decide after testing ?😁
@@WolverineX77 I understand and I Can Imagine it but also on the processing when You watch Movies ? On Games or so Like Anime and so of course on things Like That the Color will Pop and look fantastic because it’s fits on the Style from these games. But I want Nice Picture for Movies and Series too and I watch also older classic Movies, from 1990-2010 or so. The Brightness is not a Problem at all for me, I just watch in the Night and in a Dark Room. My GX from 2020 is on 60 so have reserve. Ok HDR and DV could be brighter but Otherwise, the brightness is Not so important for me. I need a good Picture that Looks good and the processing. Would You recommend even then the S90D over the C4 ? Because many says for Movies the C4 is better and the S90D for Games and for Anime Series and Movies with much Color.
Yea dude, when I first took out the s90D out of the box, I thought it was gonna break taking it out of the foam because it's so flimsy. I thought the LG C3 and C4 were thin, but the s90d makes them look thick in comparison. Mine was manufactured in July 2024. Would you happen to know if that would be the 2000nits one? Got it at Costco.
Read the label on the back, if it's FB01 or 02 it might be 2000, if it's FA01 or 02 it might be 1500. Otherwise access the service menu and look at the ANAPEAK, if it is 682 is most likely 1500
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ah shit.. I just got to that part of the video, lol. it's FF01/S90DD (Costco model). I can't seem to get to the service menu using the smartthings app. The feedback is too slow to push the buttons. I can only get to that other menu. So I have a remote coming tomorrow.
Yeah that’s crazy, but yeah the s90d definitely feels and looks way more polished than the gen 1 s90c and it comes to hdr tone mapping. Right out of the box I noticed the s90d doesn’t look blown out at all and dark scenes look really good, I’m guessing slightly better upscaling and better protection plus you got for only 200 dollars more which is also a steal, I think the price just went back up to 1699 😂
I am tempted in upgrading my EVO C1 to a QD-OLED soon since I have pretty much did that to my monitors (got rid of all the LCD trash, have 2 qd oled monitors now all calibrated for hdr/sdr and beautiful) though I don’t think it’s time yet. The HDR performance is definitely aging on the C1
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 yea that’s what I thought but hey it’s the best tv I’ve ever had so I’m happy I was going to get the g4 but I’ve always had Samsung but btw do you know how many clips it is for the ps5 pro to the s90d?
@plasmatvforgaming9648 🎊 Hell yeah. That is your money 💵. Its within the holiday window. I hate heavy and expensive items being delivered. I have had stuff where I gave up but call customer service. The best they have done is shave a few $s
At least the bent damage lets you get a replacement TV that hopefully can reach 2000 nits. Edit: Maybe you could look for a second-hand Bravia 9? It got brightness in spades!
My friend, it's time for you to give mini LED a try. You will have none of these issues and it will supersede your expectations, I can almost promise this. You will like it more than OLED and at this point you have nothing to lose by giving it a try.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 You don't need that level of peak brightness! You're selling yourself short and wasting time with these OLED. I promise you, if you get a good mini LED like a Samsung QN85D / QN90D, Hisense U8N, TCL QM851, Bravia 7 / 9 - you will never look back to OLED. Your initial thought will be "wow this is so much better" and you will be very glad that you made the switch. Mini LED is a vastly better tech for average everyday usage because it has so many advantages over OLED while being able to achieve 95% of the black level performance. You give up nothing and gain so much.
22:08 agree 100% and im so jealous of you 😩 HOWEVER ...could it be that with such easy return policy, the reason your S90D is bent is because another customer returned it under the same easy return policy? In any case I think it's worth it as you can always keep going back and doing exchanges until you get a good one. In the end it still works out better overall!
Well, if it's any help, I went through 11...or 12 hard-to-remember RTX 4090s graphics cards trying to find one that did not have horrible coil whine, so I know the feeling. The way I look at it, you might be able to live with a small issue, but does that issue affect its selling price? I mean, if you sell an OLED, most people ask. "Does it have dead pixels? Screen burn?" If you say "Yeah, just 2 dead pixels but it was like that when I got it" a lot of people will either want money knocked off or not buy it. So, not only did you accept the fault, but you also stood a chance of losing money when reselling.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 lol different ones. One delivery woman used to laugh. "Another one?" She was trusted, I don't normally tell delivery people what's in the box. I went through 4 msi, 4 Asus, 1 zotac, and 2 gigabyte. It was not a fun time, but I was not willing to live with coil whine i could hear a few meters away. It's that annoying sound that just stays with you. I know most have some, but the 4090s had a really bad time of it.
@WolverineX77 Used them long ago, but now I use a full surround system.. I pride myself on a quite PC. I fine tune everything so that it's hard to tell it's even on when doing anything bar gaming, and when I game, it's tuned to not go over 40db. That's 11 fans and a GPU. The main coil whine issue with the high end 4090s was what I thought it was. They used 70a inductor and they are good, but prone to coil whine. About 8 months later Asus admitted to this being an issue and said they would swap them out.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ohhh, I thought the S90(5)D models were capable of 3000 nit increase and the s95c was up to 2000 nits jack , but your mentioning 1500 nits, what am I missing?
You are aware that the latest batch of of s90d 55, 65 and 77 inch models qd oleds were capped on the amount of nits brightness by samsungs latest firmware updates applied
@plasmatvforgaming9648 another tv youtuber noticed the same issue and found out that the latest batch of s90d qd oled models were all being capped to lower amount of nitts. It's being suspected that samsung is purposely doing this to push for more sales of the S95D instead, which is a more expensive model. The honest truth brother Samsung is struggling in the quality assurance dept. there's always some issue when it comes to hardware build and software issues on their panels in the last 5 years or so hence why many consumers are churning and going to brighter panels like the mini led tech or perhaps even over to LG Models which has guarantee on thier panels for up to 5 years. At this moment, I under samsung corp is struggling in general and the team that incorporates the innovation and development of new tv tech were all switched out or fired by the ceo on top of the corruption scandel they are dealing with right now.
Unlucky, my friend. :( I'm afraid you might not get a 2000 nit panel, no matter how many times you try to replace the TV. I don't know for sure, but I believe there were two different types of S90D early on in its lifecycle and I suspect all TVs produced after a certain date are only capable of 1500 nits (again, I don't know that for sure, but that's what I heard).
yeah, i reccomend to do it yourself even if you have to wait for help. Let you time. I had a Q95T which had a messed up stand because of these type of people. They do it as fast as possible and don´t care. On the next TV i said i do it by myself even it was for free to set up the TV: No thanks! ;D In general if something is expensive, big and new... do not rush and do it by yourself and wait for help with friends or family.
Que mierda, can’t believe your going through that. Well, I bought the S90c for $999 earlier last month. It was a FB03 version, perfect. I never checked the service menu, assuming it was gen 2 panel. As I was mounting it, the tilt on the wall mount was loose and the tv flung forward. I got scared and grabbed it and it cracked the screen! Went back to bestbuy, exchanged it, no questions asked, I got a new S90c shipped because they were sold out in store and it was gen 1 version FA01 😢 …. I didn’t want to go through what you’re going through right now, the tv is perfect so I just kept it. Good luck man
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 agree. but i got the b4 before getting reach your channel and can not return to seller so i stuck with b4 and love to calibrare it the way you do ❤❤
I am never ordering directly from Samsung then, this is actually insane. LG replaced my C1 panel with a WBE on the spot in like 4 days, perfect really. Still panel lottery for TVs and monitors is the worst part of shopping.
I love you man, but I avoid samsung like the plague. Nowadays all their products are junk and aren't made to last. I've been burned too many times... I'm gonna stick with my LG C1 till the last pixel on it dies lmao. And after that I'll get another C1 (don't know if the newest LG C-series is meaningfully better than the C1)
Too bad Panasonic is very expensive but if you can get it for a good price it’s really worth it. The picture is so good, even their woled TV’s pop more than regular woled TVs
This is why I returned my s90d before I even opened it. I cannot fking stand how these tvs are constructed. Got a G4 but ive yet to unbox it and might return it. I wanted the s90d SOOOO bad but there is no way I could ever live with that flimsy screen. Im way to clumsy. And if you look at the ones that have been on display in the stores, they lean forward from the top. Having the wall mount attached to the bottom 3rd of the tv is such an L compared to having it centered. The whole thing is a mess. I even had one for $1,399 for black friday and still didnt keep it
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 With ZERO upside. If it was flat and flush all the way around you could make an arguement that its super sleek and cutting edge for flat mounting on a wall. But aside from that, the ONLY upside to the tv the way it is currently constructed is that Samsung saves money on shipping and storage. That is IT.
**A lux-meter app is not a reliable measuring device** _Please_ have someone measure your panel to get a definitive answer before returning just because of ANA 682. Otherwise you're returning perfectly good Gen 2 (~1350 nits) panels. _If_ all panels are Gen 3, then yeah 682 = 1500 nits, but we dont know that for sure yet.
I know that for sure for these reasons: the Lux Light Meter app measures exactly the same in all tests as my S90C Gen 1, the full screen brightness of S95C and the test of the numbers I recorded are far higher (accuracy doesn't matter when the difference is so big); the way the screen reflects the flashlight of my phone is not like S95C, it's definitely Gen3; also the clipping point after then HM Pat Peak w PLUS adjustments is the same as S90C
I don't understand, you had problems with transport from the very beginning. Why don't you buy and check the TV in the store? When I bought LG C1 I asked to check it in the store, I looked at it calmly and I bought it. I did it because I ordered the TV for the first time by transport and the carrier called me personally (he didn't have to) to tell me that the package was damaged, so I gave up and he didn't have to come anymore to hear it in person. The conclusion is that you buy this type of equipment in person.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 there is in LG G4 Oled on HDMI input settings one named Dolby Vision PC. I use and it seem brighter than HGIG but not than DTM ON. But I dont know if it is accurate or better overall.
The manufacturers have convinced consumers that what they want is an ultra-thin bezel. The mind bending is so complete that people will fight you over this point. IT WAS SOLEY TO REDUCE MANUFACTURING COSTS AND IS IN NO WAY A BENEFIT, RATHER IT IS A LIABILITY TO THE CONSUMER! I hope I can reach even one person with this, but I doubt it. Metal backs, thick bezels, and glass screens is what you actually need but it costs so much no manufacturer will do it anymore and even if they did, you wouldn't buy it. I've seen brand new OLED's that are warped with bent screens because of insufficient bezel and back panel strength. These are very expensive tv's and the consumer deserves better.
Mi Pioneer Kuro built quality puts all these new TVs to shame, and it physically looks amazing.
@@CarsandCats Manufacturing, shipping and storage. All of which benefit Samsung and NOBODY else. As amazing as the display is for the price, I could never live with that thing in my presence as it's too infuriating
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You're right. And how many years has it lasted so far? And when it comes time to move it - no problem! I put my VT30 plasma in the back of my truck, no box, lying FLAT on a thin moving blanket. I did this because it has a metal back - and moved it 50 miles on a very rough interstate that was under construction. No damage! You CANNOT do that with a new OLED. I would be scared to move one without a box!
@@CarsandCats People who throw away their large tv boxes are a different kind of human 🤣
this is not true at all. This was done because women make the buying decisions in the home and back in the TVs were, big and ugly. So sleak looking flat panels that blend into the living room absolutely IS what most consumers wanted and still want. You comment is absolute nonsense. No one wants to go back to ugly looking big ass TVs.
His UA-cam videos about Samsung TVs should be playing on a loop on every TV in the store
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@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Full range rant and after that the lovely praise for Samsung tv's. xD
the saga continues
And thus, the story begins 😬
Consumer electronics have been going downhill when it comes to building quality for a decade now. TVs today look like disposable trash. So do smartphones.
I would never let someone else install my stuff, because nobody cares about my stuff more than me.
That's so true
I care more than those dam people 😂 but unfortunately I don't have steady hands like I used too. Im clumsy now 😂
100%
That’s why I install myself. I don’t let them unbox it. I handle all of it so I know it gets done right.
I feel your pain after going through 5+ LG G2 panels and literally each one have a bunch of green banding on full white screens very visible to my eye. I gave up and got S90C and very happy with the Gen 2 panels. If you need to, maybe wait for S95E or LG G5 in a few months? Or stick with just S90C and get another TV later?
That's definitely a possibility
They turning our boy into Hawkeye with that bow 😂
Bro is going to be the first man ever to Bend Test TV's, JerryRigEverything should be worried 😂😂😂😂
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As someone who's worked retail and warehouses unloading trucks, these things happen more than you would think. Supervisors put the workers on a deadline to get things done, so they're trying to get things unloaded ASAP. I've seen lots of merchandise get destroyed.
But in terms of the panel you're trying to get, maybe try a different shop? I'm waiting for my remote control to see what panel I have. But yea, it's a hassle going back and forth packing and returning, especially if you don't have help. Dead pixels, green tints, even return and rebuy for a price match because they'd rather you do that than simply price match it.
I just ordered the 77 in coming on Monday from Best Buy. Got membership plus. Can I use Mac for that app you mentioned or do I need PC? Also what’s the magic number to look for when I get into the service menu? Thanks and good luck on the next one!
77 should be the 2000 nits panel, the Number to look at is ANAPEAK 588
No, the Colorcontrol app only works on Windows
You can get the service remote I have
AA81-00243B Replace Service TV Remote Control fit for Samsung
Bro this has been a real journey!
I remember the TheTechGiant made a lot of videos about the bending. Even showcased how it’s bent in store
Interesting
Most of the Smasung TVs that are very thin have bending. You can see it the store when you look closely. An S95D oder an LG G4 are thicker, so they usually dont bend that easily.
While I understand you are enthusiast like me and we both want the best version of these devices we can get, I do not agree with complaining about Samsung. You are upset about 2000 nits as I would be but most people have no idea about this. Samsung didnt advertise this. Also screen uniformity is a gamble always and its still much better than WOLED panels when it comes to that. The one connect box issue is not something normal TV buyers will ever think about. Its also been proven to work fine with a very good hdmi cable. The only real defect you have had is a bad speaker on your s95c. Every other TV you picked up was totally reasonable for most people, so I do not understand saying Samsung deserves the complaining. On the other hand if I was buying a new tv I would send it back every time as well it was not what I wanted but to blame Samsung is I feel wrong. Also if your getting the new TV's from the same best buy over and over, they probably all come form the same shipment more or less. Maybe you should try another best buy, or have it sent from the warehouse delivered to try and get one from a different batch.
And it seems the s90c series had more of a chance to get a 2000 nit panel and better screen uniformity than the D series. Maybe you should be trying for another s90c.
You're right. Most people wouldn't notice the majority of the issues I had other than the broken sound of the S95Cs. It's true that Samsung doesn't advertise 2000 nits. I didn't order an exchange for the S90C even when I got the 1500 nits panel because everything was perfect.
Thanks again for your support
I actually ordered the S90D replacement from a different state, and they wanted me to pay extra taxes because of that, but they store ate that cost.
Does Best Buy keep track of the serial number for total subscriptions?
A 77" FA02 from April 2024.
I watch TV in Standard, gamma incremencted, active contrast and high color boost. I dont give a fxck. Are my settings for a few hours going to burn in? Most of the time I keep eco and low power on.
I don't know about the subscription, but let your TV shine, and don't worry about burnt-in. The brightness is already restricted in the service menu, so even if you max out the brightness, it is not max
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 are you sure I have a QD OLED in 77" in the USA?
Thanks for pushing me over the edge on deciding on whether or not to return my open-box 55" S90D for an open-box 55" G4 when the prices come back down closer to the end of the year.
I wouldn't do that. If your S90D doesn't have issues, it is better than the G4
@plasmatvforgaming9648 Good to know. I was able to get the S90D and the 5-year GSP for $1200 OTD, so I'm reluctant to exchange it for something that isn't significantly better. I'm still waiting to see how much of an improvement the new WHVA panels will have on the QN90F (particularly blooming and DSE).
With the first gen of QD-OLED, there was a huge problem of bent panels from the factory. A different type of uniformity issues if you will, might actually be another Samsung QC error. I was interested in trying my luck and getting a Samsung, but seeing this story play out is giving me strong doubts. Thanks for showing this in such detail
Definitely get some kind of insurance when buying Samsung, a membership, or something that allows you to replace and return
The people that knew what they were doing are actually Geek Squad. The people that don't know what they're doing is a Third Party Best Buy uses during holidays to keep up. Source: I worked there for 5 years.
All my deliveries have been 3rd parties
I have found it is best to leave on the Styrofoam on the top and sides and then manipulate the tv to install the stand. When I lay it down, I use books to make up the difference in height between the foam and the screen. Once installed, I then remove the foam. Less chance of bending the screen.
@@LineageStone yeah I did something similar, left the Styrofoam and added pillows
@LineageStone All the more reason for me to keep laying the TV face down on my bed while still covered in the foam sheeting when I'm installing the stand mounts.
@@jeffreymorgan1334yeah if it was a smaller tv then I usually just pick it up and lay it down on the bed then throw the stand on. The 65 was easier just leaving it in the base box then putting pillows on the ground to have it high enough to put the base on without lifting anything then tilt it back up.
Good to get this information out. Luckily I havent noticed any issues with my S90D and its been great so far. I got an extended best buy warranty since Ive had issues with these modern tv's before. There doesnt seem to be any real accountability if they destroy the package in shipping or treat it like shit. Great reccomendation, I have no regrets coming off of the LG C8.
@@podzstealzboardzbecause he probably doesn't have a Costco membership, are you a child or something that thinks everyone shops at costco
Hi, why don't you compare a modern WOLED with QD-OLED? I wonder what you would choose, G4 or S95D...
I would choose the G4 but the S95D is superior, and it's not even close (especially after unlocking 3000 nits on the SM). The problem is the mat finish, one connect box, and broken sound
My tcl is is 3500 nits. Only 2000 dimming zones but the hdr looks spectacular and can't notice any blooming and has real blacks. I've been waiting for a 77 inch oled i could afford but I'm so happy with this humongous 85 inch mini led. 144hz and vrr is the cherry on top.
I tested the worst 85" LG LCD and it was still awesome to play with that size. I can only imagine with better quality and brightness
@plasmatvforgaming9648 when your channel grows some more you should consider the newer led tvs. You're probably not far off manufacturers sending review units. Love your channel keep it up.
I just bought one too. No OLED for me until they improve it.
@CarsandCats for me, it was the price. If the price was the same and the same size, I would have bought an oled. It is over double what I paid for my tcl mini led. There are a couple of things the tcl does better than an oled like VRR and 144hz and it's also way brighter. The viewing angles are sub-par, but for this price, it's hard to complain.
@@ivan-j4l9x I understand. Coming from high-end plasma, OF COURSE I wanted an OLED. But I know someone who bought a new Sony and it was warped. He didn't notice until it was wall mounted and it drives him nuts. I went to his house and it has a wave through it! You can't fix that. I bought a mini-LED for brightness, no burn in, has ever feature I need like 144hz and VRR and Dolby Vision (hello Samsung!). If it dies, I'm out less than $1,000 with tax so not worried like I would be with a $2500 OLED.
If you get to keep the bottom cover stand to that s90d would you be willing to sell it? My 65" s90d was an open box from Best Buy labeled "Good" condition but it came with nothing, it was just the TV in a box. I since got everything else but I'm still missing that bottom decorative cover piece. Please let me know if you would want to sell it. Thanks.
I'll ask them and see
I may sound like a fanboy (I'm not), but I had many Sony TVs and none of them had issues and the quality control was very good. I Had an LG C2 and the screen was dirty of some tape out of the box and I had to clean it.
To be fair not many people buy Sony TVs.so they're going to be minimal on reports.99 percent of the people I know have a Samsung,LG,TCL,hisense,in that order.and I don't know of anyone that has a sony.but based on their panel design they definitely do look well built
@ Well, they are expensive, but the quality is great. I always bought Sony tvs, and never had any problems.
By the way, I used your white balance settings. I know every tv is different, but they really made a good looking difference. When I watched hockey it looked amazing following your settings.
I'm working on matching the BT2020 calibration of the S90D because it looks absolutely amazing to me. It's so difficult, though. These TVs are very similar. 2 S95Cs I got had different White balance settings on the service menu but the6 looked the same. The 2 S90Ds also looked exactly the same.
I'm basically trying to get the S90C BT2020 to look like the calibrated S90D because that's definitely the biggest improvement vs S90C and S95C
what about gray to gray response, my tv create a bad bad motion blur when i move black object with a drak gray background leaving an ugly trail, so i want to upgrade mine is a Q74T very old, does the Q90D have a similar effect ? or its completly gone ?
ah just find out my model has a 80% response time of 7.0ms and a 100% response time of 15.0ms vs the 0.2ms and 1.5ms of the S90D so i guess thats the problem :'D
GtG is not a limiting factor for motion clarity and OLED closely follow the Blur Busters Law because of that
Just ordered my 65 S90D from BestBuy, it arrives Saturday. Let's see if i get lucky.
Let me know!
@plasmatvforgaming9648 yessir
Let us know bro!
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Mine says FB01 and Manufactured date August 2024
Have you heard of Runco plasmas? Do you know if they were any good?
I have no idea
So sorry to hear of your continued tribulations. I hope you get some resolution. All the best.
Thanks!
Unfortunately Best Buy hires temporary delivery employees for post Black Friday deliveries.
Yes, they are all 3rd parties
Oh? I had no idea 😮. What about PC Richard's & son?
Is that soundbar truly straight though? To me it looks slightly curved.
It is a terrible soundbar but it is at least straight😂
I have the S90C and It’s very bright. I didn’t make any adjustments at all. The hardest thing I dealt with was mounting the Stand. I disassembled it from the box while it was already standing on the platform where it was going to stay. Left the foam corners on while I tried to attach the stand. This was almost a disaster because I had to lean it forward with one hand and put the stand on at the bottom and I almost dropped it forward off of the platform. It would have crushed the whole front. I will never take the stand off to move it or anything else. 75 inch is massive and really it’s too big for my apartment but I plan on moving to something bigger.
We have to be very careful with these TVs, they are so fragile
Please read carefully: In 3 years you will not have burn-in, but a much lower brightness of the panel. I have not checked for the latest models, but the first Samsung QD-Oled model had the biggest traces of burn-in after 4000 hours of operation, which after an update were considerably reduced along with the maximum brightness of the panel according to RTINGS tests. The second generation of QD-Oled did not show any more traces of burn-in, but a sharp decrease in brightness after ~4000 hours. LG probably also took over this model of covering the traces of burn-in and reducing the brightness with the 3 series. But the decrease in brightness is much lower because the panel is not so prone to burn-in.
Thanks for sharing that
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 search "rtings longevity burn in test updates" , you can find S95B and S95C on the page. On the S95B, the dramatic decrease in brightness coincided with the update that visibly reduced the burn-in traces.
You can also find images with burn-in at 2000, 4000, 6000 hours in another older article. On the S95C, a decrease occurs at 4000 hours, then it recovered a little over time. The updates probably adjusted the brightness as much as possible versus visible burn-in. The fact is that it is a degenerative process.
Oh man, I cant believe all the bs they putting you through. Brutal bro
I have FA 01, What does mean ? I have until 2.000 with NVIDIA hdr
Most likely Gen3 1500 but you'd have to check the ANAPEAK
The HDR calibration app doesn't clip where it should unless you open a game or video, then RTX HDR goes based on HDR Calibration app
Thanks
So the S90D exists in 4 variants? Woled, 2nd gen QD oled, 3rd gen QD oled 1500nits and 3rd gen QD oled 2000nits?
I beleive so
29:47 you may need to buy a new one after a few years anyway because if you look at rtings longevity test they show the peak brightness of both QDOLED and WOLED are dropping over time. After 10,000 hours a 10% window in SDR the S95C lost 22%. G3 lost 12%. Not sure how this affects HDR.
My LG C1 after 3 years doesn't have 4k hours. Thanks for sharing 👍
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 yeah it depends how many hours a day you use it... 6hrs/day = 10,000 hours in 4.5 years
Anapeak 1 is for fullscreen and anapeak 2 is for peak brightness? Can you test that?
There a chance also that s90d could be woled panel and to qd-OLED. Check subpixel layout with your phone camera.
55' and 65' are all qd-oled in US.
I don't believe so. But I can't accurately test the brightness without instruments
I knew you were flying too close to the sun bro
Proudly awaiting how this OLED cinematic universe turns out 🤣😆
I always rather pack out my new tv myself and someone out my family. 65 inch is no joke to pack it all in and return it and do the same dance over and over again.
Got a Samsung qn95c and it has a red stuck pixel almost in the middle of the screen and hdmi problems on all ports, keeps losing hdmi signal
My previous S95C had a dead pixel and I replaced it with this S90D
I'm in Australia I was lucky my s95b 65 was perfect my 55 inch s95b was perfect but was really dirty the back on the tv was like someone threw a handful of dirt in the box.
Thankfully no scratches or defects just bonus dirt from overseas
I havnt bought a tv that didnt have a geek squad warranty since 2006
Could you check if Dolby Atmos home theater is working on pc ?
I also have a s93d 65 inch but Dolby Atmos home theater is not working in Windows but it is on my lg cx 65. The s93d does play atmos audio from a videofile via pc just not the atmos Home Theater. In Windows audio supported audio modes there is no Dolby Atmos but there is on my lg cx.
I have a Sony str dn1080 receiver connected with hdmi earc.
My s93d is eu version made in Hungary with also 682 apa.
I would really appreciate it if you could check the atmos in windows on your s90d.
I really like the tv just the atmos not working is very annoying.
For now i have to connect the receiver direct to the pc for atmos home theater but that gives me an extra screen in windows that i dont want and cec isnt working also so no auto on/off synced with the tv.( No screen connected to the receiver, just for audio only)
You might need these drivers I shared here
ua-cam.com/video/WLr1_MsCJho/v-deo.html
My LG 65 C9 was exactly like that. Wafer thin and had a similar bend. I think it's just the way it goes for TVs that thin and they all do it.
If I were you, I wouldn't bother returning it. I sold mine no problem.
Ariel filled the Quality Control gap that Samsung had
😂
I'm fully expecting the next TV to have the panel installed upside down 😅
They flipped it to install the legs
Being able to go pick up the TV yourself from the store seems to be the way to go when possible.
Absolutely
The problem is that they said at Bestbuy they wouldn't take a broken TV back if I take it home, they would replace it without issues if they mess up the delivery
how do i turn off the auto dimming in the service menu?
Screen Saver Brightness from 7 to 0 under QD Option. I showed that in the 2000 nits video
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you ! i actually remember you did do that video and went back to it lol i just did the dimming not the 2000 nit mod . because im just waiting to see your video about it on the s90d. dont know if the same mod value you did to the s95c is the same on the s90d. so thats why i havent done it yet.
It is not the same, I'll show that
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Awesome cant wait to see your recommended setting for the S90D! been waiting for this for so long lol
messed with Samsung 43qn90b mini led as monitor, narrow view angle with color shift in just a head distance. high temperature on back with bad heaksink. 1/3 panel bright leak in bad uniformity. I was using it in three month with uncomfortable feeling every day. Finally, I sold it last week and changed a second hand LG C2 oled 48inch. LG oled well much better product quality than samsung, picture processing, view angle , response time, low temperature on back with better heatsink. Really happy with my LG C2 oled.
LG OLEDS are probably the most solid TVs
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I do think Sony and Panasonic both are high quality control with well product design. 2 pan's tv used over 12 years. I have sony x950h at living room and 43x80k and 43x80l in bed rooms, even those are thicker than other brand's tv. but all TVs' temperature are low with well heatsink and dust prevention are better than LG C2. assumed that those TVs could use many years.
Would you recommend these big tvs to game on a desk?
The only issue I see is that if it's too high, it's uncomfortable. I'd sit on a desk but have the TV sitting in a lower stand, so I don't have to look up
Hell no man. If you care about your eyes - no. 48 is max.
My 77' S90D shows FA02 on the back also, it was manufactured in May 2024. Like you said maybe all the panels at the beginning of 90D series were different. However I don't have a service remote so I can't confirm that my FA02 panel is 1500 nits
You don't need the service menu remote. You can use the Colorcontrol app on a PC to easily access the service menu
You don't need a service remote I believe, plus they're less than 10 bucks
1. My first 65 inch LG C9.... power supply issue kept shutting off and had to get a replacement. 2. 77 inch LG C2... Horrendous banding that didn't go away after 200 hours and manuel pixel refreshes. Had to get a replacement. 3. 83 inch G4, large banding on left side of screen that wouldn't go away after numerous pixel refreshes. Had to get replacement panel. It's just the way TVs are now a days....
Thanks for sharing that. Was very good, but the smaller sizes seem to have fewer issues overall. That 83 G4 has to be awesome for gaming
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yea I actually couldn't care less about calibration or industry standards and I game and watch movies on color temperature Cool 30. It gives me the brightest peak brightness possible for the panel. Apparently it gets up to 2400 nits on full vivid mode which is all the way cool....
I have 55s90c with ana peak 512. Does this mean i could go with brightnes to 2000nits?
Yes, that's most likely a 2000 nits panel
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 you make me happy :) i will follow yours instruction in prior videos to try boost brightnes
the signature oxygen intake cracks me up every time
I love it!!!!😊
Damn! I always just have them deliver but do the unboxing myself, it's super easy since you can cut the straps and lift the box and the TV will be exposed but still stand. Most tv companies do this so you can inbox and set it up yourself. LG is the only one I had issue with unboxing because the box itself is just one piece you actually have to lift the tv straight up out of the box 😂
I’m happy to pay triple without the headache. If they have them in stock can’t you just ask for a older gen?
Unfortunately, there's no way they can control what to send me
Thats make me scary 😅 Next week my S9AD will be delivered, should I cancel it and get the C4, less Stress and better QC from LG or at least Test 1 time the Samsung and decide after testing ?😁
No way, the C4 won't come even close to the picture quality of that panel.
Bought my 77 inch s90d 2 weeks ago and the thing runs like a champ.i passed my LG C1 55 inch to my son.no comparison,qd OLED just pops so much more
@@WolverineX77 I understand and I Can Imagine it but also on the processing when You watch Movies ?
On Games or so Like Anime and so of course on things Like That the Color will Pop and look fantastic because it’s fits on the Style from these games.
But I want Nice Picture for Movies and Series too and I watch also older classic Movies, from 1990-2010 or so.
The Brightness is not a Problem at all for me, I just watch in the Night and in a Dark Room.
My GX from 2020 is on 60 so have reserve.
Ok HDR and DV could be brighter but Otherwise, the brightness is Not so important for me.
I need a good Picture that Looks good and the processing.
Would You recommend even then the S90D over the C4 ?
Because many says for Movies the C4 is better and the S90D for Games and for Anime Series and Movies with much Color.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 understand, so I will let come my Order.
The S9AD will arrive Thusday next week :-)
Yea dude, when I first took out the s90D out of the box, I thought it was gonna break taking it out of the foam because it's so flimsy. I thought the LG C3 and C4 were thin, but the s90d makes them look thick in comparison. Mine was manufactured in July 2024. Would you happen to know if that would be the 2000nits one? Got it at Costco.
Read the label on the back, if it's FB01 or 02 it might be 2000, if it's FA01 or 02 it might be 1500. Otherwise access the service menu and look at the ANAPEAK, if it is 682 is most likely 1500
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ah shit.. I just got to that part of the video, lol. it's FF01/S90DD (Costco model). I can't seem to get to the service menu using the smartthings app. The feedback is too slow to push the buttons. I can only get to that other menu. So I have a remote coming tomorrow.
You can use the Colorcontrol app on a PC to access the service menu
Where to buy service remote
@@plasmatvforgaming9648unfortunately I have a Mac. Do you know if the app is compatible on Mac?
If it’s 2k nits what would Ana peak value be?
588
Yeah that’s crazy, but yeah the s90d definitely feels and looks way more polished than the gen 1 s90c and it comes to hdr tone mapping. Right out of the box I noticed the s90d doesn’t look blown out at all and dark scenes look really good, I’m guessing slightly better upscaling and better protection plus you got for only 200 dollars more which is also a steal, I think the price just went back up to 1699 😂
Yes, Price at Cosco yesterday was 1699.99
I am tempted in upgrading my EVO C1 to a QD-OLED soon since I have pretty much did that to my monitors (got rid of all the LCD trash, have 2 qd oled monitors now all calibrated for hdr/sdr and beautiful) though I don’t think it’s time yet. The HDR performance is definitely aging on the C1
Go for it, the difference is huge regardless of the QDOLED TV you end up getting
My 55in says fa01 not sure about the service menu
All 55" S90D are Gen3 1500 for what I've read
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 yea that’s what I thought but hey it’s the best tv I’ve ever had so I’m happy I was going to get the g4 but I’ve always had Samsung but btw do you know how many clips it is for the ps5 pro to the s90d?
15 clicks for 1000 nits Basic Tone Mapping Static
I don't think I'm ready for a new tv now 🥺. What a crazy journey.
Return it!!
Getting the replacement this Monday
@plasmatvforgaming9648 🎊 Hell yeah. That is your money 💵. Its within the holiday window. I hate heavy and expensive items being delivered. I have had stuff where I gave up but call customer service. The best they have done is shave a few $s
Is this the model with the matte screen?
No, the only mat is S95D for now
At least the bent damage lets you get a replacement TV that hopefully can reach 2000 nits.
Edit: Maybe you could look for a second-hand Bravia 9? It got brightness in spades!
That's the way like to see it
My friend, it's time for you to give mini LED a try. You will have none of these issues and it will supersede your expectations, I can almost promise this. You will like it more than OLED and at this point you have nothing to lose by giving it a try.
I'll get one at some point. 10k nits is my target with MiniLED
@plasmatvforgaming9648 You don't need that level of peak brightness! You're selling yourself short and wasting time with these OLED. I promise you, if you get a good mini LED like a Samsung QN85D / QN90D, Hisense U8N, TCL QM851, Bravia 7 / 9 - you will never look back to OLED. Your initial thought will be "wow this is so much better" and you will be very glad that you made the switch. Mini LED is a vastly better tech for average everyday usage because it has so many advantages over OLED while being able to achieve 95% of the black level performance. You give up nothing and gain so much.
This is exactly why I won't have anything to do with Scamsung anymore
22:08 agree 100% and im so jealous of you 😩
HOWEVER
...could it be that with such easy return policy, the reason your S90D is bent is because another customer returned it under the same easy return policy?
In any case I think it's worth it as you can always keep going back and doing exchanges until you get a good one. In the end it still works out better overall!
No, because the TVs are coming brand new with 0 hours on the service menu and no resets
Well, if it's any help, I went through 11...or 12 hard-to-remember RTX 4090s graphics cards trying to find one that did not have horrible coil whine, so I know the feeling.
The way I look at it, you might be able to live with a small issue, but does that issue affect its selling price? I mean, if you sell an OLED, most people ask. "Does it have dead pixels? Screen burn?" If you say "Yeah, just 2 dead pixels but it was like that when I got it" a lot of people will either want money knocked off or not buy it. So, not only did you accept the fault, but you also stood a chance of losing money when reselling.
Absolutely, you kill the resell value by accepting flaws
But dam, how did you justify 11 GPU changes? And which store?
@plasmatvforgaming9648 lol different ones. One delivery woman used to laugh. "Another one?" She was trusted, I don't normally tell delivery people what's in the box.
I went through 4 msi, 4 Asus, 1 zotac, and 2 gigabyte. It was not a fun time, but I was not willing to live with coil whine i could hear a few meters away. It's that annoying sound that just stays with you.
I know most have some, but the 4090s had a really bad time of it.
@@mrmrgaminglol do you even play with a headset.i blast my fans to get max performance and can't even hear them
@WolverineX77 Used them long ago, but now I use a full surround system..
I pride myself on a quite PC. I fine tune everything so that it's hard to tell it's even on when doing anything bar gaming, and when I game, it's tuned to not go over 40db. That's 11 fans and a GPU.
The main coil whine issue with the high end 4090s was what I thought it was. They used 70a inductor and they are good, but prone to coil whine. About 8 months later Asus admitted to this being an issue and said they would swap them out.
Wait which is the panel that can be overclocked and which one isn’t ??
They can all get a peak brightness increase. The ANAPEAK 512, 588, 667 are supposed to be 2000 nits
Gen3 2000 S90D is supposed to be 588
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ohhh, I thought the S90(5)D models were capable of 3000 nit increase and the s95c was up to 2000 nits jack , but your mentioning 1500 nits, what am I missing?
Only the S95D can go up to 3000
The S90D has Gen3 2000 or Gen3 1500
You are aware that the latest batch of of s90d 55, 65 and 77 inch models qd oleds were capped on the amount of nits brightness by samsungs latest firmware updates applied
There might be a way to revert the firmware, I'll look into it
@plasmatvforgaming9648 another tv youtuber noticed the same issue and found out that the latest batch of s90d qd oled models were all being capped to lower amount of nitts. It's being suspected that samsung is purposely doing this to push for more sales of the S95D instead, which is a more expensive model. The honest truth brother Samsung is struggling in the quality assurance dept. there's always some issue when it comes to hardware build and software issues on their panels in the last 5 years or so hence why many consumers are churning and going to brighter panels like the mini led tech or perhaps even over to LG Models which has guarantee on thier panels for up to 5 years. At this moment, I under samsung corp is struggling in general and the team that incorporates the innovation and development of new tv tech were all switched out or fired by the ceo on top of the corruption scandel they are dealing with right now.
Unlucky, my friend. :( I'm afraid you might not get a 2000 nit panel, no matter how many times you try to replace the TV. I don't know for sure, but I believe there were two different types of S90D early on in its lifecycle and I suspect all TVs produced after a certain date are only capable of 1500 nits (again, I don't know that for sure, but that's what I heard).
I believe so too
What a story, lmfao. I’m so content w/ my 2 S90C TVs (65 & 77). 2K nits each. 5yr warranties on each. Not budging off these for a long time.
How do you know it’s 2k nits?
@ ANAPEAK values in service menu were for 2K peak brightness on both panels, confirmed w/ AVSForum thread on it.
The title had me weak 😂😂😂 I personally only trust LG these days, and trust is used very lightly lol
I laughed at it too🤣
Brother just pick the tv up from the store. Dont worry about these delivery people
They said if the TV comes out of the box damaged they wouldn't take it back if I transported myself
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thats a bunch of bull. They will take it back.
That is how it usually goes @@plasmatvforgaming9648
I dont think your going to get that 2000 nit panel. Im sure all of them going forward will be restricted.
I beleive so too
yeah, i reccomend to do it yourself even if you have to wait for help. Let you time. I had a Q95T which had a messed up stand because of these type of people. They do it as fast as possible and don´t care. On the next TV i said i do it by myself even it was for free to set up the TV: No thanks! ;D In general if something is expensive, big and new... do not rush and do it by yourself and wait for help with friends or family.
Absolutely
Que mierda, can’t believe your going through that. Well, I bought the S90c for $999 earlier last month. It was a FB03 version, perfect. I never checked the service menu, assuming it was gen 2 panel. As I was mounting it, the tilt on the wall mount was loose and the tv flung forward. I got scared and grabbed it and it cracked the screen! Went back to bestbuy, exchanged it, no questions asked, I got a new S90c shipped because they were sold out in store and it was gen 1 version FA01 😢 …. I didn’t want to go through what you’re going through right now, the tv is perfect so I just kept it. Good luck man
Coño esa historia esta mejor que la mia😂
And how did you get them to give you an extra 200 off the s90d, they told me they weren’t doing any price match during Black Friday sales 😂
Because I told them I wanted to give them more money from the 760 of the S95C 😁
It was really me asking for it
The price was 1399.99
Hi ) I bought 65S90D on black Friday for 2240 american dollars. The price is very high in Moldova country ! ((( But the panel is perfect ...
The S90D QDOLED can be absolutely amazing
no tuts for lg b4?
The B4 is a great value for 77 inches but I would get an open box S90D QDOLED instead
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 agree. but i got the b4 before getting reach your channel and can not return to seller so i stuck with b4 and love to calibrare it the way you do ❤❤
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 btw : love your performance and how to explain things...keep on bro 🤜
Size is king
That eldin ring painting is sick
I have 5 different ones. I have to work a little bit to set up the room better with them
Its like forklift damage
I am never ordering directly from Samsung then, this is actually insane. LG replaced my C1 panel with a WBE on the spot in like 4 days, perfect really. Still panel lottery for TVs and monitors is the worst part of shopping.
I wouldn't buy it from Samsung directly
@@plasmatvforgaming9648Don't. The return process for direct orders from them SUCKS!
I love you man, but I avoid samsung like the plague. Nowadays all their products are junk and aren't made to last. I've been burned too many times... I'm gonna stick with my LG C1 till the last pixel on it dies lmao. And after that I'll get another C1 (don't know if the newest LG C-series is meaningfully better than the C1)
For WRGB I'd get a C1/G1 because 120bfi, otherwise the newer TVs are a bit brighter, but not a big difference, especially the colors
This guy is funny man 😂
Too bad Panasonic is very expensive but if you can get it for a good price it’s really worth it. The picture is so good, even their woled TV’s pop more than regular woled TVs
I love my Panasonic Plasma
We dont need to burn our own eyes 😂
How is the gray uniformity tho?
It's better than the previous one, but it's not perfect. Clear vertical bands are evenly spaced, and one of these is still visible with brighter grays
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 oh wow
This is why I returned my s90d before I even opened it. I cannot fking stand how these tvs are constructed. Got a G4 but ive yet to unbox it and might return it. I wanted the s90d SOOOO bad but there is no way I could ever live with that flimsy screen. Im way to clumsy. And if you look at the ones that have been on display in the stores, they lean forward from the top. Having the wall mount attached to the bottom 3rd of the tv is such an L compared to having it centered. The whole thing is a mess. I even had one for $1,399 for black friday and still didnt keep it
They are way too fragile
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 With ZERO upside. If it was flat and flush all the way around you could make an arguement that its super sleek and cutting edge for flat mounting on a wall. But aside from that, the ONLY upside to the tv the way it is currently constructed is that Samsung saves money on shipping and storage. That is IT.
Thats why I like the Bravia 8 and G4 design
**A lux-meter app is not a reliable measuring device**
_Please_ have someone measure your panel to get a definitive answer before returning just because of ANA 682.
Otherwise you're returning perfectly good Gen 2 (~1350 nits) panels.
_If_ all panels are Gen 3, then yeah 682 = 1500 nits, but we dont know that for sure yet.
I know that for sure for these reasons: the Lux Light Meter app measures exactly the same in all tests as my S90C Gen 1, the full screen brightness of S95C and the test of the numbers I recorded are far higher (accuracy doesn't matter when the difference is so big); the way the screen reflects the flashlight of my phone is not like S95C, it's definitely Gen3; also the clipping point after then HM Pat Peak w PLUS adjustments is the same as S90C
whats the difference between s90dd and s90d/ costco got the s90dd 77
I don't know, maybe audio difference, check the back to see if it is the same power 375w for 65"
Never buy from a store where the average age of the workers is 20, making only minimum wage.
The delivery guys were like 20
My s90d as this code 01/s90d no letters i noticed s90c yours has fa01 maybee 1 or 2 tells witch panel it is
Interesting
LG C1 = Old But Gold. We were happy and didn't know.
I knew I was very happy with my C1
Lucky goldstar ⭐️
I don't understand, you had problems with transport from the very beginning. Why don't you buy and check the TV in the store? When I bought LG C1 I asked to check it in the store, I looked at it calmly and I bought it. I did it because I ordered the TV for the first time by transport and the carrier called me personally (he didn't have to) to tell me that the package was damaged, so I gave up and he didn't have to come anymore to hear it in person. The conclusion is that you buy this type of equipment in person.
Because they said if you transport the TV we won't take it back with damage so in home delivery is the best insurance
Im waiting until Tandem OLED before I take theplunge. I want 1000 nits full screen, so I can calibrate to SDR even with BFI engaged.
1000 nits full screen is definitely necessary
I bought S90D and G4, both are amazing. But I dont know if I leave the Dolby Vision PC activated. Help-me.😂
I don't know what you're referring to, is that sound?
@plasmatvforgaming9648 there is in LG G4 Oled on HDMI input settings one named Dolby Vision PC. I use and it seem brighter than HGIG but not than DTM ON. But I dont know if it is accurate or better overall.
It work very nice on BO6 and the config on the game change to Dolby Vision HDR.
But on the internet anyone is talking about this kkkk
They talk about console Dolby Vision but not PC Windows Dolby Vision that comes with G4