Planer / Thicknesser (Jointer) Review - Part 1.
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Detailed review www.idostuff.co... of a Woodstar PT 85 planer / thicknesser ( Jointer ) . Similar models branded as Charnwood, Clarke, Fox, Sealey, SIP.
A small bench top woodworking machine planer / thicknesser / jointer. With the right hints and tips to set it up right, can do a good job. The link above is to www.idostuff.co.uk where there's more info. - Навчання та стиль
Bought one of these today at a local store, and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised about its performance. Maybe I was lucky, but the outfeed- and infeed table is perfectly flat, and the fence is pretty sturdy. The fence is beefier than in this video, and it doesn't move at all. Other than the fence, it's identical.
Mate I can't believe that you list all of these problems and then describe it is still able to give some good results - its basically not fit for purpose - if you cant rely on its output as flat and square it's essentially useless.
@SPITFIRECARPENTRY . You're quite right, I wouldn't recomend this as a "trade tool" but it can give the required results at a low price for a hobbyist.
I think it's OK for the money. After some tinkering etc. it does work and seems to be lasting well.
Great review thanks. Very well put together and informative. I think I will go for something better, you helped me decide.
A bit of 'fettling', proper mans word, not heard that in ages, that's me subscribed. Great upload.👍🏼
Fence won't stay at 90 degrees, table won't sink evenly, feed rollers mark the wood.... Basically then, a piece of cheap Chinese crap.
I wouldn't buy it.
Thanks for making this video as I was looking at prospect of purchasing this piece of garbage.
If this info is any good for you, encourage me - give it a like, tweet it or give it an airing on Facebook. Cheers.
I would like these to drop the Planer/ Jointer aspects, improve the rest a little instead and sell for similar price...
I hadn't really noticed that myself, the blades on mine seem as hard as I would expect. I wonder if you have got blades from a bad batch? you should certainly be able to get more done than 6 pieces. I give mine a quick touch up once in while, with a diamond grit card with them still on the machine especially if I've been using dirty reclaimed timber.
Certainly if you've got the pennies (or find a better one second hand) go for something better. Cheers
Great review mate. I've just got one just like that. (the brand is BOYE) it's new but came with a fault (I got it cheap). The rollers work but when I tighten down they jam. The cutters do not engage at all. They are set correctly. The jointer works great. It's just the thicknesser. Any chance you know what's going on?
Buenas tardes, quiero pedirte un favor esta maquina es una TITAN, vivo en Colombia mas exactamente en Sandoná - Nariño, esto queda al sur, de estas maquinas poco se miran por acá y me gustaría saber cuanto es el peso en kilogramos para asi poder hacer una cotización del envío, gracias
Well this new comment thing on youtube is rubbish so in reply to BerkyBoy :
It's all come down to tolerance, in two ways.
1. If it works to a tolerance you can live with , then it's fine
2. If you can tolerate having to do some tinkering to get it good enough then it's fine.
That's what makes it an honest review, answering the question that many people might have "why is it so much cheaper?" It's a few years on and mine is still working well and I get the results I need from it hence my conclusion still stands including when I add, if you can afford / justify spending more then get something better if you can't then this will do.
You say you never had luck with getting bows and twists out - simple, once you have enough of the work past the blades to get a purchase on, put downwards pressure on the outfeed ONLY - repeat a few times and you'll work out any twist or bow but ONLY if the blades are level with the outfeed table - that's vital. Checkout the screwfix Titan planer - basically the same planer for £149
BerkyBoy I use a technique on bows and twists that gets it spot on first time, I dont know if you've seen this one Bowed, Twisted Timber (Lumber) Planing, easy HOW TO . Have you got the Titan planer, it would be interesting know if its an improvement.
iDoStuff Hi, yes I get one after I saw your videos and researched around, I dont think it's much better but because Screwfix have big buying power they have got a 1500w motor in it and it seemed to come well set up for a £150 planer/thicknesser. The fence is still junk but I made one from a board of oak and its very true now. I dont have the planer bed sticking adjustment issues that you seem to have and surprisingly it doesnt snipe at all. I havent changed the blades yet so I'm not sure how standard they are.
BerkyBoy That's all good info thanks. I've not had to look for new blades yet. I made a simple jig so I could re-grind the accurately after a knick on a hidden nail. Mine do seem to hold an edge well so you should get a good few years out of them.
good review.
I also own Woodster PT 85. It works pretty good (for DIY working) but the planer blades are too weak.
After planing 6 pieces of spruce slabs (2,5 x 15 x 100 cm) the blades are dull.
I think a hard wood slabs will be impossible to plane with it.
I can't get any similar blades of better quality from another manufacturer.
holy sh*t live in Scotland and have a few machines from 1945-53 I know how scary they can be when you flick the switch. Junior whitehead bandsaw, Union Graduate Wood Lathe, Multico 9" surface planer with 3hp single phase (220-240vac) 14A and it's like a jumbo jet taking off when it's at full speed.(approx. 4600Rpm).mine is 2 head planer spinning at just shy of 5000RPM and I feel it's just to slow>>>>> I have fitted a 220v DC treadmill motor to it and it's spinning at 4630rpm and I still feel its to slow that motor rating is 2.67Hp @ 220vDC 7A.. pully is 3" to 3" match ? what u's reckon??.
The cutter head on mine spins at about 9000rpm but it all comes down to the diameter of the block
Very good review. I'm in the game for one of these... the parallel of infeed tables worries me a little but the fence does, word working is all about solving problems or finding other ways to get a good result and it appears you have with the fence issue. Do you think that you may have bent a bolt slightly by edge planing wood over long period of time. Thanks for sharing 👍
Hi, I have a Scheppach HMS 2000. First, I planed spruce slats of 20 x 20 mm. It worked fine. Now I try hardwood 70 mm wide by 25 mm to 22 mm get. First problem at both ends the machine 'takes a bite' (fortunately this time not at the owner, because I already lost a piece of my index finger twice) even if you enter it in the right way. Secondly, the thickness setting changes during planing and even if the machine is only turned on with no wood in it. Thirdly, the blades are now already bone after a couple of slats. I know basralocus is not the nicest type of wood for your machines, but the (decent) machine of my brother planed without too much trouble over a hundred bars. In terms of size and price the Scheppach HMS in 2000 matched at my workplace and my wallet, but I regret the purchase. I do not recommend the machine.
Hi Lorenz, Thanks for commenting. Sounds like you are having some problems with your version of this machine. First "takes a bite" this is commonly known as "planer snipe" try a google search, their are solutions out there. Second, thickness setting changes, try tightening the chain that drives the platform adjustment screws, it might add a bit more fiction to the adjustment. Third, if the blades have dulled that quickly it sounds like something not so good about the steel, see if you can find replacements.
I have a Scheppach HMS2000 too and I totally agree that it is a big bag of shite. Neither of the tables are flat. There's a marked hump in the middle of the outfeed table. So there's no reliable datum for re-setting knives after sharpening and I've tried every method going. The outfeed table slopes slightly from the rear edge to the front which means you have to set the knives on a slope. Then the thicknesser cuts on a slight slope. Also the infeed table slopes down towards the cutterhead. So the tables aren't co-planer. I've taken it completely apart, lapped the plates (seperately) to within a thou flatness but still not good enough and still not co-planer. You'd need a very long straight sanding block to lap the tables together in the machine to make this useable. I don't know how anyone gets decent results from any of these generic machines since the rise mechanism on the infeed only relies on that central rod. These machines need a rod on each side of the infeed table to be able to bring it up exactly parallel to the outfeed. I put nine pieces of 3' x 4" x 2" through the thicknesser today for a test and measured each board with a caliper on both edges, 6" in from each end so I wasn't measuring the snipe. The results confirmed my opinion. The thickness of each board varied by as much as 1mm in each direction. More to the point they weren't even consistent. Some boards could be 1mm out across the length or across the width. Or very closely equal in one plane but massively out in the right angled plane. Kinda begs the question what are these machines any good for. I assume those who extol the virtues of these machines don't own a caliper between them. If you can't tell, I'm really pissed that I wasted £300 on this junk. Oh did I mention that the fence was also cupped over 1mm in the vertical plane.
hi everyone I live on the central coast nsw australia bought one of these can anyone tell me where I can buy blades for it?
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Gracias
Great to know you found it useful. Although mine is still working OK, I could be upgrading soon. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone for something better. It's worth having a look at what's available second hand.
Very useful as I've been considering one. Thanks for taking the time to do it, I know the work that's involved.
sorry pal after looking at your vids the bad tradesman quote was not directed @ you.
Keep up the good work
idostuff headcam test.mpg - Shows it right at the end
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Very many thanks for the honest review, it was invaluable.
I was in the market for a machine of this size but after watching both videos I will have to spend more and get a more professional machine.
"If I knew then what I know now" - Ah, the wistful sign of years of, sometimes painful, experience; I often say the same :-)
I am looking at both new and secondhand machines but space is an issue, however I'm willing to sacrifice some space for the right machine.
All the best to you and yours for the future.
Are you still making videos
thanks man 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
how did you wear the camera ???? :)
I just got one of these. However on mine the I feed table slopes slightly downwards and into the blade. So laying a level along the whole of the I feed and out feed beds the I feed bed closest to the blade is a lower than the other end of the I feed table. Result is planed wood always forms a wedge after a few passes. I cant seem to level the infeed bed. Any ideas would be appreciated?
As far as I can tell there is no specific adjustment to get the in and out feed tables parallel but there might be a little bit of movement on the fixings of the out feed. If you can't get them parallel it could be time for a refund or exchange.
Excellent demo/review Many thanks for all of your very useful tips.
hi I have a sip planner thicknesses model no 01454 10"x 6"looking for replacement chain drive sprocket they ware out made from soft metal tried a lot of places thanks
Sorry Michael, I have no idea where you can get spare parts.
thanks for reply but i have sorted item
Here's a dilemma if you don't mind giving some advice. Screw fix have the titan for £150 and the Erbauer for £200. Do you reckon they are essentially the same and will have the same faults?
I don't know, but assuming your aren't paying an extra £50 just for the name that £50 should have gone in to higher quality / precision components. I've got a few Erbauer power tools so far they have been OK. It's probably worth a punt especial with screwfix being good on returns if it turns out a lemon.
brilliant review , thanks so much
You are kidding me!!
Excellent review! Thank You very much!
good honest review.
= SCHEPPACH 850
Thanks! Was looking at getting one but you changed my mind. (I want to do some surfacing).