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WHICH BLACK POWDER FOR YOUR FLINTLOCK PAN?
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2020
- WHAT IS THE BEST BLACK POWDER TO USE IN YOUR FLINTLOCK RIFLE OR SMOOTHBORE PAN? 1F? 2F? 3F? 4F? OB? LETS RUN A QUICK TEST AND FIND OUT!
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I’m binge watching all your videos... tons of great content
Awesome! Thanks!
Going to try Swiss 3F next time instead of Goex 4F. Was picking up a LOT of moisture in the pan from the Goex. Swiss burns cleaner so maybe it will make a difference. You are 100% correct about the flinching. No reason for it and it ruins shooting. Practice and discipline.
One horn loaded with Swiss 3F does both the tube and pan very well.
Can't tell much speed difference, but lot less sparks with null b and 3f, I'll be sticking to those as a lefty shooting a right hand lock simply because of that
Love the powder comparisons and your demonstration! Videos are getting better every time! Keep up the great work my friend!
Black Powder Maniac Shooter Thanks Mark!
Can't stop watching your videos. Thanks for all the information and demonstrations.
Such great work, got my first flintlock 6 months ago, traditions kit, having some issues at the range. Finding your vids has helped me so much, Thank!
It's surprising how little apparent difference there was between the coarsest and finest powders. My only flintlock currently is a Pedersoli Bess, and I use 2F for both the main charge and in the pan.
Cro Minion It was a bit surprising. I have seen larger differences when the flash hole is smaller but typically I find the difference perceptible but small. I’ll use 0B or 4f for bench work but often will use powder from the horn if using 2f or finer. Thanks!
That thing sure hits hard
Because of you I now want a flint lock
Only 2.6k subscribers but you deserve wayyyyyyy more
Thanks brother. I just started doing BP videos in December so if I can get to 3300 or so in the first year I’ll be happy. That’ll mean 10k year two hopefully! Thanks for the kind words!
I use 2F in my .54, 4F in the pan UNLES it's humid/moist. 4F is a faster ignition but it tends to absorb moisture. I then prime with the 2F (less absorbent). Also, depending on weather, clean out the pan and re-prime every 10-15 min if need be.
Excellent advise! Thanks!
I always poke a priming wire into the vent before priming the pan 1/3 -1/2 full, always away from the barrel and always use 4f Goex.
I run BP 3f in my 50 main charge and 4f in pan. 2f in my 54 and 4f in the pan. This works for me.
Great job on the video. Good information to to know. I've always thought the Flint Lock is the ultimate in fun and possibly a good survival tool. Thanks for posting.
Vince Woolley Thanks Vince!
Just picked up a 32 flintlock and am binge watching your videos again. Great content.
Thanks Muddy! Enjoy! If you have any questions email me at bob@blackpowdertv.com 👍🏻
@@BlackPowderTV I do have a quick one that others may find useful. Pyrodex? Can it work? It's what I have currently. Order is in for goex. I have ground some pyrodex very fine for the pan, but ignition isn't reliable. My opinion is it's not violent enough to jump through the flash hole consistently. Thouhts?
@@muddyudders Some folks have told me they use 10g of Pyrodex in the bore with the rest of the charge made up of BP with BP in the pan to stretch their BP supply. I’ve never tried that but I do agree Pyrodex in flintlocks is ‘problematic’, as the kids say.
I think my ear plugs went out. What was that last little bit again? Always like to see your BP videos! good stuff.
Great video as always, too bad the mix went down at the end. I used to prime with 4F, but after getting into hunting, I switched to 3F for priming, just for the fact that it seems to be more resilient when sitting in the pan for hours on end, and I see no difference in ignition time. It has the added benefit of not needing two powders, since I also use 3F for the main charge in everything. On another note, I load my fowler the exact same way you do, so it was kind of neat to see in your video. Wad of tow both before and after the ball, and push them all down together. When I can recover my tow wads, I re-use them as tinder for fires.
Kyle Sondergaard Thanks Kyle! I also don’t use a primer for 3f guns and use my used tow for tinder. Also, fine ground powder does not work as well in high humidity sitting in the pan for hours. Excellent point.
For hunting, you've got the right idea. But in my flinter, ff for the main charge and the pan does not work as well as ffff. Just mine, yours will probably be different.
I always use same powder in bore and pan. I figure any difference in the speed is not worth the hassle of dealing with two different powders.
I mostly do too but occasionally there is a gun that shoots 2f that just shoots so much faster with 4f or 0B, especially the short barrels that I like, that i had to give this .72 a go. I'm not entirely certain that as long as you aren't a flincher you couldn't get by with FG in the pan if it shoots it relatively fast.....
Pletcher's timing experiments convinced me of this as well. Our ears are not computer timing devices as his were. Priming with my main charge powder for the woods-always. Well--then I've not ever shot F and Pletch didn't test F as I recall. Perhaps I prime my F gun with FF! (smirk).
Wade Patton Fg is pretty dirty but it’s nice to shoot a big bore without the bruising I get with 2f/3f in those bores. I’ll probably use 4f/0B with this gun just because I have it and I could feel the difference in real time, as small as it was....
@@BlackPowderTV Certainly plan to try 1F for shot loads and bare ball when I get smoothie going. I may or may not prime with it, we'll see. Mr. Kettenburg makes a fine gun-congrats on that one.
Depends on the gun you are shooting.
Thank you Bob
Another well executed video Bob.
OldSchool Jack Thanks brother, it really means a lot. I had tech issues, I’m a lefty and had to shoot right handed because of Carpal Tunnel surgery (luckily I’m ambidextrous and do that quite a lot) and I had the sniffles to boot....but I think i was able to pull a decently interesting video together. I appreciate it.
good video Bob, I always use whatever in in my main charge horn. I have a can of FFFFG I will never use, I see no difference to worry about another process or powder to keep up with. also moisture gathers faster in a pan charged with FFFF when I am hunting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
OLSKOOL That’s pretty much the way I see it too. I use 4f or 0B with 1f or 1.5f in .69 or larger muskets and pistols on occasion but thats about it. Very true about the humidity. 👍🏻
Your slo-mo plus slowing the video down to .25 speed really let’s you see the delay between each type of powder. Normal speed I thought 3F and OB were tied but at .25 you could really see that the OB was the faster of the two.
It's pretty close but there is a definite difference. Thanks!
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Well there is a very big difference between what you see and what you feel as a shooter... I took videos of me and my Tennessee, I was very surprised when I watched the videos later on. The feeling of the shots where always like a kind of hangfire. Nothing realy fast. But when I have seen the videos I could bet that all shots went of like lightspeed.
Still good shooting
I was surprised 1f was slow but not that bad.
Russell Brill That was my thought exactly. I use 0B a lot so I thought the difference might be greater.
Smooth rifle....
Haven't watched full video yet, but I will. Reason for immediate response is an "FYI". The British manual of arms for the Enfield flintlock has the soldiers tearing open the paper cartridge, priming the pan, then pouring the rest of the powder in the bore, and following with the ball (still wrapped in the paper).
The takeaway here, is that they used the same 2F in the pan that they did for the main charge.
My understanding is that 4F is the preferred pan powder for target shooters because of a quicker ignition. But it isn't mandatory as the Enfield manual of arms shows.
What I've found is that 4F can potentially fill the flash hole and that's bad because you get a fuse effect and hang fire. As long as the flash hole is clear, all that's needed is a good flame.
2F?
The FG powder (FG = Fine Grain as it was known) was screened to between 12 and 20 mesh, which equates to 1F in today's American parlance.
Your main point is still valid, though.
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I just discovered "A" powder by accident. Thought I was ordering a pound of 5Fg but it was actually 5Fa. It's firework black powder, equivalent to 3Fg.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'll have to look the stuff up!
Yep. The "a" grades start wayyyyy more coarse than the "g" grades and are intended for blasting charges. 2Fa is coarser than 1Fg (it's the size of cannon grade powder) and 1Fg is approximately the same coarseness as 4Fa!
I usually use 3fg or 4fg. Good test.
Me too. Thanks Mr. T! 281 is your area code? I was born in Humble. I appreciate the comment!
@@BlackPowderTV yes. I shoot at American Shooting Center. I used to shoot a lot in the N-SSA.
Yep I know it. I never shot competition black powder except at the Friendship shoots but loaded and fired my first one when I was too short to reach the end of the barrel. I shot a lot of 3-gun, it’s why my range is set up the way it is. Thanks a lot for the nice comment. Talk to you soon!
@@BlackPowderTV I have also shot some IDPA (Richmond and Pearland) and Cowboy Action (Eagle Lake and Columbus). But now with 2 teenage daughters my budget and time does not let me play my games. I will get back to it one day.
Flintlocks have peaked my curiosity lately. Iv never shot, handled or even seen one in person so go easy on me with telling me how stupid this question is lol. Wouldn't priming the pan with a very small amount of modern smokeless powder result in the quickest burn? Or would it damage the pan and/or the frizzen? Once again, just curious about something I know nothing about
Hey Jason, I don’t think it would damage anything but as BP acts more like an explosion than modern smokeless I would think the flash of BP would propagate faster. Also I’m not certain modern smokeless would reliably go off with the weak sparks from a flintlock. Interesting thought but as modern smokeless is so dangerous in a Traditional BP barrel we normally keep these two separated.
Black Powder TV ok that makes sense. And yes you are right, probably best to air on the side of caution and keep smokeless powder far away from the entire process of BP lol. Thankyou for the reply. Cheers!
Great video
I get a kick out of those folks who say you "have to use 4f in the pan". Unless it is very low humidity out I use 3f or even 2f. If it's slower I can't feel it. Black Powder Maniac could learn about not flinching from you! Just takes practice and determination.
Bob, thanks for sharing. Do you drill out the vent holes on your guns so they are all the same size ? I really enjoy your videos.
j j I drill them all to 1/16” if they are smaller than that. Thanks!
I use 4f
At what time in this video was 4-F used?
Jason Charles Reichenbach, Esq. If I recall right, I used 0B instead of 4F because, though it is similar, 0B is slightly finer and therefore slightly faster. I wanted to show the slowest vs the fastest ignition time in that gun. Hope that was ok. Thanks.
Are there a reasonable substitutes for flax tow? I like the method you use but sometimes flax tow isn’t available.
Jason Charles Reichenbach, Esq. Tow has been used forever because it’s been common and cheap in the past, and excellent for wadding but you can try any number of things. Historically people have used green leaves, moss, squares of deer hide, balls of paper, etc. The only issue is is that tow and paper etc can pose a fire risk if it’s a dry summer day. Lots of traditionalists I know use green leaves. They have pretty good luck with them. Anything that will hold your ball or shot firmly against the powder even when you shake the gun upside down will work. I buy my tow bulk on eBay.
Black Powder TV That’s solid information, brother. I just bought 2 # of flax tow on eBay for about $56, shipping included, from Pennsylvania. I’ll experiment with a few things. Some of my flintlock .69 smoothbore military pistols don’t like a patch. Rather than cast a smaller ball, I may see what results I obtain with tow.
Jason Charles Reichenbach, Esq. Sounds like a solid plan. I think that’s the same lady I buy my tow from. Pitman, PA? Be ready. Two pounds of tow will fill a large pillow. Have fun!
Hi what material is toe made from??
What if I just ground up some of my 2f for the pan instead of buying all new powder?
It's doable but comes with some risk. I don't recommend it but finer does equal faster.
@@BlackPowderTV eh, I feel like I'd be safe enough. I've made black powder before anyway
@@sethmullins8346 Then there you go. Grind away. Let me know how it works in the pan. 👍🏻
Bob; were you out of 4F? I find very little difference between 3F & 4F but always wind up spilling too much powder in the pan when loading from my horn so I use a small flat priming horn I carry in my bag. Great video, something most have never seen. Get over that cold Mr. "Snuffelupagus"
Mike McGuire Hey Mike, no, I use 4f and 0B interchangeably as I’ve seen very little diffference between the two, but find both slightly faster than than 3f. I put 2F and 1F pretty similarly slow but shootable. The cold was only a 48 hour one but the sniffles have lasted a week. Arrrgh.
1F powder isn't that for cannons? So it is okay to use 1F on muskets I guess. Thanks
It’s not so much cannon powder as it is large bore powder. True cannon powder has much larger grains.
nice video...would have liked it even better if it would have been real time instead of slo mo.
When you hit with a smoothie you get to look like an expert and say ‘well you have to learn your gun and develop your load and practice, no one can just pick up a smoothie and shoot it well’ when you miss you get to say ‘what’s your expect it’s a smoothie?”
I know that's right!
I thought you said 4f in the pan for flintlocks ? 🤔. Did I miss something?
4f is standard pan powder, 0B is better, and 3f is slightly worse but they will all work.
Hickok explosions 😂😂💪🏼🥊
I am looking at getting a smoothbore musket and a pistol, both in .60 caliber. Would it be okay to just buy 3F powder (or 2F) so I don't have to get different powders?
Either would be fine. I’d probably use 2f myself but then I’d want 3f in the pan. Some folks say they can’t feel a difference but I can. With 3f in the bore I’d just use a slightly smaller charge, say 15% smaller than 2f and it’ll be about the same. The velocity will be higher with the 3f.
@@BlackPowderTV Thank you. I think four pounds of 2F and one of 4F is probably going to be my first purchase.
That’s probably what I’d do too. Maybe consider Swiss Null B if they have it for primer. It’s about 7f. Very fast. But 4f is great too.
@@BlackPowderTV Thanks again. Looking forward to more content.
Silent movies used to be all the rage. Said something about eating the watermelon I think... Good move with the fruit and not paper. No matter what you're testing, dynamic targets are going to hold more interest. Carry on. My prime comments are under Bill's.
Wade Patton Thanks for the comments Wade, I’m a fan of blowing stuff up so it was natural to go melon. It’s much more interesting for me too, especially if I’m just plinking.
On FFFF: I primed with 4F exactly one time and never plan on doing such again for hunting or plinking (Chunk shooting might prove to be an exception). Here's why: As my pan/cover fit is not perfect (despite some serious filing, fitting, and polishing-it's not sloppy) after I had walked a loop in my woods on a windy day on my first FL outing, I opened the pan to check my prime. There was none. Since then I prime with main charge powder -and- grease/water-windproof the edges of the cover. Grease hole makes this really convenient. I've never lost my prime since.
Wade Patton That is definitely a ‘prime’ consideration. 😉
why the slow mo?
Would rather have seen the ignition in real time
Because the differences between them are so small (.00x) that the 1x- speed comparison sequence I filmed showed nothing perceptible despite being noticeable while shooting. That said the higher heat of the finer powder is noticeable in slow motion as is the speed difference and so slomo made the cut and 1x didn’t. Hope that helps.
This is why it is so important to get out and shoot your gun and see what it likes!!!! Great vid
Exactly! Thanks Cory!
All I can find is pyrodex rs. Can I use that in my flash pan?
It doesn’t work well as a powder for the flash pan. You can try it but your best bet is real BP for the pan. Try powdering.com. You pretty much have to order real bp online these days.
@@BlackPowderTV thanks for the quick response!
You bet brother. 👍🏻
Btw, that website is powderinc.com.
@@BlackPowderTV lol thanks I figured it out when the first link took me to japan
In my experience, only ffff works properly.
4 ffff
1/8?
Jeffrey Robinson Well, more like 3/32”..
what is "tow"?? "ball of tow"
Poor watermelon... did it volunteer for this? Ok, just for the algorithm!
Hickok45 puts explosives in his melons, lol.
Lol. Well that explains it. I have several cases of Tannerite. Might be fun to fill one up.....
I've been building and shooting FL's for over 50 years. I have always used the same powder in the pan as down the barrel. Never had an issue. Pan half full, tapped away from the hole and keep your flint sharp. Bang Bang. By the way, 110gr is way too much for that musket. 85 is sufficient.
It depends on what he wants the load to do. 85 might be sufficient for YOU and YOUR shooting and someone else might need more punch and others less.