I've seen everyone make this fight so hard. I just jumped towards him with a heavy move and froze myself mid air, waited on him to hit me and I'd fuggemup on the drop. Both stages. Beat him my 2nd try.
Cheese is boring. I prefer having a skill to dodge, reaction and parry to just an easy linear approching. Died many times doesn't bother me. I get a prize from improving my reaction on parrying, dodging, countering make the fight feel more legit. This would improve my self for other game that also have similar battle.
ez cheese if anyone wants it: eredrim (don't need stam so HP is king) - hallowed sword - start charging a heavy then harden and let him come in and hit then release. repeat. I put a pod cast on because it takes a while :D
Use the mace heavy attack, when your stam is full and your harden, press the heavy attack when the animation has the mace getting ready to upper cut harden and hold it he will harden and then hit you then it will release, now you hit him once and should have full stam again then dodge back wait for the harden to reset and rinse and repeat you dont need any upgrade or anything and can get him, go through both times and never get hit, now there will be times when he dodges but its rare. And it dont matter if he gets on your side or almost behind you will still hit him, use this strat if you are having difficulty, see the problem with this game and Elden Ring is we are so used to getting in and whacking the mobs to death and not one hit move that is the difficulty. Its easy when you train your brain not to engage or the game will punish you because it wants you to fight like that remember.
Thx for the guide about to beat harden and get the katana axe and him and here's the kicker I never beat mortal shells ur guide got me further then I ever been cause I thought u had to fight everyone lol after I beat harden and and get the weapon and his shell ill beat the game
Wait I figured it out! You actually start a game using the Virtuous cycle choice! I only have 1 main file so idk if it loads the most recent, but it loads you in the “rogue like” dlc. Just go down the stairs and talk to the SG statue. It brings you back into the normal game with him sitting in the corner!
I'm confused by the harden ability. Why do you guys use it mid swing? His timing of it makes no sense at all, especially since it's like clockwork. Overall the fight look very simple due to his harden pause *every single time*.
You probably already have your answer to this. But in the off chance that’s not the case. From what I remember, a hardened attack does more damage than non-hardened one. You can also double hit your opponents with a single attack. It’s better to have an attack queued up while you’re hardened instead of doing nothing. Example: Marty’s Blade The First Light is a cleave attack,Second Light is a Thrust,Same for Third First Heavy is a big hit coming from the top,Same for Second Move and Third Attack Cleave So it goes like this,Usually you have time to do 2 lights,then harden while having the Cleave heavy queued up, when Harden breaks you’ll land that heavy and take no damage.
How do I get that I'm having a bit of a problem I'm playing mortal shell and I've also got all the weapons but for some reason I don't see hadern am I doing something wrong this is an awesome guide I'm just wondering how you are able to get hadern to show?
So does this have to be done in a new game? I'm partway through on my primary save, and I have all the weapons unlocked. The DLC is installed, but Hadern is not sitting there for me.
You have to kill all 3 hadern bosses first. The ones to unlock the weapons then he will be sitting there. If he is not sitting there for you then maybe your game is just bugged
I see the virtuous cycle as an option on the main menu. Do I need to start this for the new shell and weapon? I have the others and he isn’t appearing. This game is kicking my butt and I don’t want to start over T-T
My way of winning was looking at the mace and when he hardens wait and counter harden infront of him it allows a massive combo and his cooldowm is the same as yours
You do not need a new save file. I only have one save file and he was there for me. You gotta download the dlc, start your game, close the game to restart it, and load your save file. If you've done this and you've beaten Hadern the other three times, he'll be there. For good measure, you can just enter the virtuous cycle with the twin sister, then go downstairs and use the petrified SG to go back to the main game and Hadern will definitely be sitting there. If he's not, your game is borked.
Wait, do i must do the same as yours step by step or not at all to trigger hadern in the tower? Because i didn't see him litteraly all this time, not at all. Does it required to buy an DLC first to trigger it? Edit : i already had that 3 weapon and 3 vessel
I can confirm it works no need to start a new game after defeating hadern 3 times return to the tower if he is not there just return to the main menue and then load your game after that he should appear in the tower worked for me.
I recommend this method is for advanced players nonetheless excellent video mate it talking and playing at the same time during boss battles it deserves a sub. BTW I got all weapons all shells and Hades still hasn't showed up what am I doing wrong
After rebooting game after playing and beating it last year...don’t understand how I ever beat this game in the first place...considering my char after pressing circle just refuses to dodge? I’m not understanding wtf is going on...I don’t remember the combat being so clunky as the combat was one of the main draws for me...did they change something? Bc i feel like my guy weighs 1000000 pounds where the Hadern is playing with bloodborne rules...
I can’t even fucking kill grisha bc of this, and his moves are so easily telegraphed...at first I thought I was just running out of Stam and had to get used to the combat again, but nope, input is just to slow..sucks bc the game has so much potential but I’m not doing this shit lol...I’ll go back to souls to fill this desire..🤷♂️
I reinstalled the game and started playing again recently, I had all the weapons and he wasn't showing up, turns out I forgot to reinstall the DLC as well lol.
i did watch a video that you have to start a new game to unlock the tvc i did that then i loaded my ngplus and then i can join tvc i dont know how does that work with the new shell tho --edit-- just checked, as i already have all weapons unlocked on ngplus hadern is sitting there.
@@victorneyoy I'm on ng+ and done the boss fights fir the weapons and he ain't there. And I have them all plus 25 weapons, I really don't want too start again
@@menaceiwill1 try starting a new game and activate the cicle thing and then check your new game plus. i dont know if its mandatory to do that so the dlc content is available for new game plus saves i didnt check out that on my new game plus before doing the new game thing first
thanks for this video but i just want to ask i have all base weapons unlocked and last i need is the axetana can i get it in base game or do i have to need an edition?
I've already beater Harden, but I swapped out of his shell to upgrade someone else and now I can't find his shell what gives where can I find him to switch back to him
@@hristobibov issue is for some people the statue is not showing up at all even having the dlc installed. I put the addon in my Library, when I go check it says installed but when I go to the spot where statue supposed to be, there's nothing there
@@metcha4263 Hadern should be in Fulgrim base (the 1st base) after you get all weapons(you don't have to get all shells just the weapons), but if he's not there then sorry i have to say you have to restart the game from the beginning to get him.
So I have a slight issue with the Axatana, the special move sometimes does like 30 damage sometimes instakills, I have no idea why. Does anyone else have any helpful information in this regard?
I've seen everyone make this fight so hard. I just jumped towards him with a heavy move and froze myself mid air, waited on him to hit me and I'd fuggemup on the drop. Both stages. Beat him my 2nd try.
Yeah, thats a somewhat well known cheese to, well, the whole game pretty much
@@Unbr0k3nPr0mm1se well I DIDN'T KNOW THAT AND I'M NOT GOING TO STOP YELLING BC I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE I LOST THIS DISCUSSION!!
@@horelpit7 you obviously won, dw
Cheese is boring. I prefer having a skill to dodge, reaction and parry to just an easy linear approching. Died many times doesn't bother me. I get a prize from improving my reaction on parrying, dodging, countering make the fight feel more legit.
This would improve my self for other game that also have similar battle.
@@arik2216 this young man or girl is a true warrior! Wow that is very very impressive to really go for that my god!
“Whoops, that happened. That’s not gonna happen again.”
*a tiny number 1 pops up in the corner of the screen*
ez cheese if anyone wants it: eredrim (don't need stam so HP is king) - hallowed sword - start charging a heavy then harden and let him come in and hit then release. repeat. I put a pod cast on because it takes a while :D
Nice.
You’re a god send man I started up a new save just for this dude so I appreciate your effort and timing of this video
Same
QUESTION: you meant you started a new save for the story mode, correct?
Use the mace heavy attack, when your stam is full and your harden, press the heavy attack when the animation has the mace getting ready to upper cut harden and hold it he will harden and then hit you then it will release, now you hit him once and should have full stam again then dodge back wait for the harden to reset and rinse and repeat you dont need any upgrade or anything and can get him, go through both times and never get hit, now there will be times when he dodges but its rare. And it dont matter if he gets on your side or almost behind you will still hit him, use this strat if you are having difficulty, see the problem with this game and Elden Ring is we are so used to getting in and whacking the mobs to death and not one hit move that is the difficulty. Its easy when you train your brain not to engage or the game will punish you because it wants you to fight like that remember.
Thx for the guide about to beat harden and get the katana axe and him and here's the kicker I never beat mortal shells ur guide got me further then I ever been cause I thought u had to fight everyone lol after I beat harden and and get the weapon and his shell ill beat the game
Wait I figured it out! You actually start a game using the Virtuous cycle choice! I only have 1 main file so idk if it loads the most recent, but it loads you in the “rogue like” dlc. Just go down the stairs and talk to the SG statue. It brings you back into the normal game with him sitting in the corner!
How do you start with that?
How do you activate the virtuous cycle?
Thanks. The AX Version seems hard to fill abilities bar . It's tough not to like the hammer and chisel.
Surprised to see you doing videos for this type of game. thx love the vid and your factorio series is the best
Thanks for this. Your guide allowed me to make short work of him.
I have no idea what this is, but imma watch it anyway
Gravity to Deadness would be a great band name
If you move the R from Hadern to after the a it becomes harden
In short. to get the Axatana you need to earn the 4 base weapons first.
But can i do it on my existing saved file on ps5?
yes, if you have all unlocked then Hadern is waiting for you in the hub
@@Nilaus oh Nevermind im such a goofball i just noticed him in the hub he is hard boss to beat i got to the 2
Phase and got reamed he sure is tough
@@Nilaus thank you for helping me brosky
So, I have all the weapons of but still no Hadern?
I'm confused by the harden ability. Why do you guys use it mid swing? His timing of it makes no sense at all, especially since it's like clockwork. Overall the fight look very simple due to his harden pause *every single time*.
You probably already have your answer to this.
But in the off chance that’s not the case.
From what I remember, a hardened attack does more damage than non-hardened one.
You can also double hit your opponents with a single attack.
It’s better to have an attack queued up while you’re hardened instead of doing nothing.
Example: Marty’s Blade
The First Light is a cleave attack,Second Light is a Thrust,Same for Third
First Heavy is a big hit coming from the top,Same for Second Move and Third Attack Cleave
So it goes like this,Usually you have time to do 2 lights,then harden while having the Cleave heavy queued up, when Harden breaks you’ll land that heavy and take no damage.
I get the mace and use that throughout but never upgrade until you get the Axatana save the acid that way you will kill everything almost instantly.
How do I get that I'm having a bit of a problem I'm playing mortal shell and I've also got all the weapons but for some reason I don't see hadern am I doing something wrong this is an awesome guide I'm just wondering how you are able to get hadern to show?
Im probably a little late but u have to install the virtous cycle dlc
@@diesorgons7035 is it free?
@@liammeissner6782 it's 7 pounds
So does this have to be done in a new game? I'm partway through on my primary save, and I have all the weapons unlocked. The DLC is installed, but Hadern is not sitting there for me.
You have to kill all 3 hadern bosses first. The ones to unlock the weapons then he will be sitting there. If he is not sitting there for you then maybe your game is just bugged
I had the same problem
I just restarted my game and that fixed it
@@dieguteschnittebitte6734 did you delete it and reinstall or or just close it down ?
Love how using the the special move with this weapon completely glitches the switch version and makes you need to hard reset
I see the virtuous cycle as an option on the main menu. Do I need to start this for the new shell and weapon? I have the others and he isn’t appearing. This game is kicking my butt and I don’t want to start over T-T
Im in Nintendo and it was soo glitched that he faught in slow motion and because of that I got it first try but his hp was insane 😅
I can't play rotten autumn music dlc anymore, the option in the sound settings it's locked :(
Btw martyrs blade running attack is extremely easy to parry
I don't have the Seal, so cannot parry
Hammer and chisel is OP
Good guide.
My way of winning was looking at the mace and when he hardens wait and counter harden infront of him it allows a massive combo and his cooldowm is the same as yours
His 4th fight didnt appeard for me after i beat the first 3 ones in the hub ?
What should i do now ?
did you purchase the new dlc?
and make sure that you need a new save file.
You do not need a new save file. I only have one save file and he was there for me. You gotta download the dlc, start your game, close the game to restart it, and load your save file. If you've done this and you've beaten Hadern the other three times, he'll be there. For good measure, you can just enter the virtuous cycle with the twin sister, then go downstairs and use the petrified SG to go back to the main game and Hadern will definitely be sitting there. If he's not, your game is borked.
Lemme see if I can get that done ⚔😈
hey nilaus, would you start a no man's sky series? the game is pretty good now.
no
@@Nilaus okay
You'd recommend it?
Thanks
4 years later and I’m having a harder time with this boss then some elden Ring bosses
I would prefer hammer and chisel for boss fight
Wait, do i must do the same as yours step by step or not at all to trigger hadern in the tower? Because i didn't see him litteraly all this time, not at all. Does it required to buy an DLC first to trigger it?
Edit : i already had that 3 weapon and 3 vessel
Hadern and his weapon require either the Virtuous Cycle DLC or the Enhanced Edition version of the game.
Thanks for the guide g. Owned mortal shell but never played it, redownloaded due to me hearing the dlc was free. Need that axatana though.
2 years after release of DLC and axekatana is still bugged. I have MShell on pc ps4 and switch and all of them are bugged
I can confirm it works no need to start a new game after defeating hadern 3 times return to the tower if he is not there just return to the main menue and then load your game after that he should appear in the tower worked for me.
Think people are getting confused because you need the dlc to get it
Ive already beat the game before dlc and beat him twice on ng+ yet he won’t show up
@@defcon665h9 if you don't hace the dlc he won't show up it's dlc
@@flatmarssociety5707 I bought the dlc I had to uninstall the game reinstall and then he finally showed up
Um, after speaking to him, for me, the weapon never appeared. I can't equipped it. Is it a bug or something?
Nice. Thx a lot
I recommend this method is for advanced players nonetheless excellent video mate it talking and playing at the same time during boss battles it deserves a sub.
BTW I got all weapons all shells and Hades still hasn't showed up what am I doing wrong
You don't have the DLC lol
@@colt4505 lmao well that explains it all.
Thanks mate
I know im late but is this unlocked right after u defeat the 3 other fights and then ofc you need to have the dlc?
Literally did it on my first try without even losing my shell, the fight is super easy and I didn't need to go defensive
I can't see him even if I beat all the other guys am I missing something?
I don’t get it ? I killed the previous bosses and haden isn’t sitting there when I got back to see him , how do I do this?
Omg just got harden and he’s so much better when it comes to he’s axe and sword defo can do more damage defo worth the extra DLC pay 😃😃😃
Hoops I did it again.😊
I've gotten all the weapons but he never appeared there
To make it easier use the martyr blade
I have all the weapons unlocked but his shell is not there
After rebooting game after playing and beating it last year...don’t understand how I ever beat this game in the first place...considering my char after pressing circle just refuses to dodge? I’m not understanding wtf is going on...I don’t remember the combat being so clunky as the combat was one of the main draws for me...did they change something? Bc i feel like my guy weighs 1000000 pounds where the Hadern is playing with bloodborne rules...
I can’t even fucking kill grisha bc of this, and his moves are so easily telegraphed...at first I thought I was just running out of Stam and had to get used to the combat again, but nope, input is just to slow..sucks bc the game has so much potential but I’m not doing this shit lol...I’ll go back to souls to fill this desire..🤷♂️
I reinstalled the game and started playing again recently, I had all the weapons and he wasn't showing up, turns out I forgot to reinstall the DLC as well lol.
So do you have to start a new save or can you ng+ to get hadern and ax katana?
i did watch a video that you have to start a new game to unlock the tvc i did that then i loaded my ngplus and then i can join tvc i dont know how does that work with the new shell tho
--edit-- just checked, as i already have all weapons unlocked on ngplus hadern is sitting there.
@@victorneyoy I'm on ng+ and done the boss fights fir the weapons and he ain't there. And I have them all plus 25 weapons, I really don't want too start again
@@menaceiwill1 try starting a new game and activate the cicle thing and then check your new game plus. i dont know if its mandatory to do that so the dlc content is available for new game plus saves i didnt check out that on my new game plus before doing the new game thing first
thanks for this video but i just want to ask i have all base weapons unlocked and last i need is the axetana can i get it in base game or do i have to need an edition?
Bro he didn’t even pop up on mine. I followed every step this guy made after creating a new account, and he didn’t pop up anywhere in my tower
Can you do this on new game + or does have to be all new save?
Very good game
How come my haedern isn't there? Do I not have the dlc downloaded?
I followed your guide and killed the three haderns and didnt find him in the tower
I've already beater Harden, but I swapped out of his shell to upgrade someone else and now I can't find his shell what gives where can I find him to switch back to him
Would like to know this too. Have you figured it out yet.?
@@fajarmentari9352 already figured it out, what I can't figure out is why it won't let me use him or the axekatana in the challenge realm.
@@blaynelevy6781 how to use the shell bsck? and the axkatana is not beside him when i beat him?
hadern isnt there for me does anyone know why
my hadern got glitched and stuck so it was easy to get the molten mace
Do I need the dlc for this?
how do you activate the new expansion?
No clue too. Redownloaded game and no dice. Epic Games
@@ridgebackgoofy3019 just go to the main hub/temple in game and interact with the crow-thing statue
@@hristobibov issue is for some people the statue is not showing up at all even having the dlc installed. I put the addon in my Library, when I go check it says installed but when I go to the spot where statue supposed to be, there's nothing there
I just started the game first time. I got all the weapons but he didn't show up. I had to return to the main menu to get him to appear.
But what if you have game pass on Xbox the edition or do I need to purchase the dlc to have it
Great video I got the weapon and new shell. Is anyone experiencing a glitch during the new weapon special
Just wondering because it keeps getting me killed
Your tripping you literally have to buy it it’s 8$
Is it dlc?
how do you access the axatana and hadern from the cycles menu though, they are grayed out
Gotta get the runic familiarity for them.
I had to use each shell plus each weapon, and touch a pillar with each to unlock him and the weapon
version?
I beat him on my first try with eredrim
I swapped weapons and now can't get the axatana back he disappeared any help?
you can pick it up again from the wall behind Hadern
@@Nilaus all of it disappeared I finally got him to load in tho thank you
Does upgrading your weapon help with this fight or does he scale?
Upgrade your weapon. He scales with your cycle
@@quinn8599 I did it first cycle and on my second try, I kinda just poked him to death
@@Glitch0Angel beautiful gamer moment
You can just parry the shit out of hadern with hammer and chisel
Please reply but I did everything you did but the guy at the end didn't show what do I do now
Do you have the dlc?
@@frost1842 whats a dlc
@@trinamariemendez85 Virtuous Cycle dlc
@@frost1842 no I dont got that
@@trinamariemendez85 if you want the guy that you mention (Hadern) show, you must have the dlc
How can I appear Axatana after changing to another weapon
Just beat Hadern and got the Axatana on my first try against him!
I did it all but hadern is not there what should ı do?
Do you have the dlc?
@@frost1842 yes enchanted edition
@@metcha4263 Hadern should be in Fulgrim base (the 1st base) after you get all weapons(you don't have to get all shells just the weapons), but if he's not there then sorry i have to say you have to restart the game from the beginning to get him.
@@frost1842 should I beat hadern in prologue
@@metcha4263 no, you don't have to beat him just follow the story like you play for the 1st time
Hadern isn't there for me when fighting the axe katakana
How did you get hadern to spawn? I KILLED AND FINISHED THE WHOLE GAME TWICE GOT EVERYTHING AND HE IS NOT FUCKING THERE
Hadern is really easy boss fight.
Easy win
Does this actually need to be 30 minutes long? Just give me a quick rundown of what I need to do, don't make me watch you play the whole game
You expect him to make a specific video yet you’re too lazy to forward to the part you wanna watch. Whiner.
God, the entitlement and laziness in this comment! I bet you're so fun at parties. No one is forcing you to watch this video.
It's a complete guide and useful information. Glad this guide still exists
I'm having trouble, but the Axatana doesn't know what to do with it
So I have a slight issue with the Axatana, the special move sometimes does like 30 damage sometimes instakills, I have no idea why. Does anyone else have any helpful information in this regard?