Hi dear Kind Hearted Person, you have way too many necessitating antecedents. This causes you to be "atheist" - that will cause you to be "atheist," "I'm an atheist all the time, I lack belief of gods all the time, "we're all born atheists" "You're making the claim at least one deity exists" makes you "atheist." Can you open the door of your fridge and not become an "atheist"? Really, this silly juvenile little bastard for the last two days has been telling me "God can't exist because men need space suits to survive in outer space." "Read the Bible and you'll be atheist." No, when your side reads holy texts you become sanctimonious, sermonizing, pin headed, self rightous, *religious HYPOCRITES!*
Hello, sir, I dont think you mentioned the Koran in the video as you did in the title, Koran has absolutely no contradictions and every human who seeks for the truth knows it.. You just need to look and read and investigate things simply as you did for the Bible, you know many scientific facts that have been found about recently, they were mentioned in the Koran 1400 years ago, and Im saying it again just look for any contradictions, put teams aside and seek for the truth, like seriously seek for the truth and not just like being on the winning "team"' , and Im sure that would lead you directly to the fact that the Koran wasnt written by humans, unless you dont want to know the truth, you cant hide from it, neither you can hide it..
lahore2vancouver bruhh, fastest thing we discovered is light, that doesnt mean it is the fastest thing, sometime ago ppl didnt even know about radiations because they couldnt see them, but with the development of science they figuered it out later, now if u really think that science has found out about everything then ur really mistaken sir.. every scientist wouls say that light is the fastest thing "discovered", thats for the "flying horse" about everything else your 1000 yr and 50 thousand yr cont. the 50 thousand was a likening.. . Sir with everything u said and everything u still think about, we both know that Quran is 1400+ yrs old, now how can u not see that the scientific facts in it could not have been discovered then unless the god who created them who knew about them told about them ?? Explain that .....
@Kieran ! Calling the Almighty God an Alien Warlord is showing God disrespect.You like many other have no Fear of God.What Ian saying is one day you will regret slandering his name.And you will hear God.
Kieran ! Couldn’t agree more it’s kinda crazy seeing people not only believe but WORSHIP nothing... they are wasting so much of the short time we have to live
Told my minister I was depressed. My minister told me to read the Bible more, or different parts of the scripture. I read it all, cover to cover and turned atheist. Im not depressed anymore 👍
Its all that we have Lindsey. Your minister isnt a special character among us, Jesus tore the veil so go to our Father. He can get us through anything and indeed what do we have without Him? Do we want God? He is our perfect Love. He is our Creator. He is our Closest. He is our Rock. He wants you. The understanding is there if you want it Lindsey. Also, if you want you can reach out to me
Good job... I feel religion is nothing more then a source of power by turning weak minded ppl into sheep. Every church I've ever been too has been hypocritical ...saying give us money and give to the poor...as the preacher drives a friggin 75000 bmw . Not to mention the 100000000 dollar "super churches" and that's not a hyperbole. You don't need a god to be a good person. All you need is a brain and an internal moral code
@Ad Lockhorst Umm, did you watch this video? One of the critical points Penn began with was his pastor encouraging critical thinking about the bible and his faith. Oh, and you could also say that any time someone says something to you there is an agenda. It's certainly worth remembering that someone interpreting information for you is filtering through their bias at the very least. Part of learning how to communicate is figuring how to judge the character and biases of the other person, and granting their words the appropriate weight
@@jesusdiazzz6369 1: who said he killed his son? 2: Homosexuality is not a mental illness. I'd be more inclined to assign homophobia under the mental illness category. If sinning caused homosexuality, most of the human race would be gay. Also how can animals be gay if it's only caused by sinning? I have never understood the vitriol some people have regarding homosexuality. To my knowledge, the bible doesn't once directly condemn homosexuality. Sure homosexuals can't have children as easily, but how bad is that really? I think we have enough people on this planet to compensate easily. 4: Thou shall not kill sure seems to get pretty ambiguous for what doesn't seem like it should be so complicated 5: If God is so secure why did he create mankind the crowning achievement of this Universe for the primary purpose of praising him? 6: Absolutely agree, I think it's bizarre how many people think they can fully grasp God's nature. People that claim to know exactly what God is and wants are people I avoid. 9: I don't believe keeping religious activities separate from government function is persecution or even bad. How would you feel if your child's school had organised prayers to Allah every morning? The Christian refugees that helped found our nation sadly didn't seem to be great folks, and they became refugees because many people didn't want them around not because they were Christian but because they were downright unpleasant people. Personally I think persecution by outsiders is the least of the worries for the Christian church. I'm far more concerned with things like hypocritical churches that revel in greed and sin and try to cloak it in evangelism. Or churches that focus on hate and judgement instead of serving God's will. I have never been comfortable with televangelists full of hubris and greed telling poor people to give them more money so they can buy lavish mansions and private jets. I know churches are filled with people both good and bad, but when an entire church thoroughly embraces behavior completely against the teachings of their own savior, the bile rises. The evangelical prosperity gospel churches make me particularly angry. I don't hate Christians, I just wish more of them followed Jesus teachings.
@@jesusdiazzz6369 I can see there are many things we will likely never agree on. You say "Homosexuality is a mental illness because we are not naturally made to be attracted to men but to women." The very definition of homosexuality is a person that is naturally attracted to the same sex. If you want to consider homosexuality a sin that would be your choice. If you want to persecute people who are homosexual, I would take great exception to such uncivilized behavior. You say "God calls it an abomination". Are you one of those folks that hears God's words directly, or is this another second or third hand account of God's word. It's sure not evident in the bible, so from where did those words of God arise? If you or people you love want to pray every every day in school or wherever, more power to you. My issue is with governmental sanctioned religious events. It is the purview of the church to evangelize not our government. Governmental employees are forbidden to lead in religious activities in part to protect religions from governmental interference. Personally I think churches tend to go astray when they try to wield too much worldly power. The true word of God should stand under it's own power without any hint of intimidation threat or pressure.
@@stevewebber707 1.) You are wrong because people are not naturally gay but adapt it through sin. They were not naturally attracted to men since there is people who where not gay but later became gay. www.google.com/search?q=homosexually&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS800US800&oq=homosexually+&aqs=chrome..69i57.4536j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Read the definition is does not say naturally. Homosexuality means that you like guys or same sex. I do not hear God since I am still not saved but I here to inform you. Churches should not wield on governmental power but the power of God.
@Feiner Fug Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate the knowledge. Though I can't say reading the chapters inspires me to follow those rules to the letter.... Death penalty for adultery seems a bit too harsh to me. I probably write too much in these forums, but I have time on my hands, and I occasionally do learn a new thing here and there ;)
I spent my childhood going to church and waiting to understand why everyone believed in God. At 17, I stopped going to church. In my 20s, I read the entire Bible to try and figure it out once and for all. Nothing. The older I get the more of an atheist I become. I mostly keep quiet about it. No reason to upset Mom.
In your effort to not upset your mom, you might very well end up distancing yourself from her, which might be *more* upsetting, especially if she doesn’t know the source of the distance. Just as plenty of moms have learned to love their gay and trans children, mom’s can learn to love their atheist children. In my own experience, the seeds of atheism had already been sown for my mom, and by discussing my atheism with her openly and without reservations not only did we develop a closer, more fulfilling relationship but she came to understand and accept her own atheism.
I find it hard as a man who’s lost faith to not tell the curious little children I know that God isn’t real, I choose to allow anyone who wishes to continue in innocent ignorance
@@daffodilunderhill7066 just as the religious congregate and support each other, so too can the faithless. All religion does is give people something greater than themselves to be a part of and look forward to. We can find a sense of self purpose in life even more so than others because we aren’t clinging to some hope of the afterlife, let your determination be to make the most of this one. May you love and be loved always
What's funny is that him being asked to leave happened to me when I was 9. My mother was asked to not bring me to Sunday School because I asked to many questions and caused too much trouble as a result. LOL
Robert Leather Been there, man, you're not alone in that group. My mom was so embarrassed with the priest and scolded me all the way to our house while asking why I had to ask so much. That I was there to learn and that I should know to shut my mouth and accept was the priest was saying. I just looked at her and said; "WHAT?! Are you insane?!"
Joseph Bolton Love the irony of the use of the word "preachy" there. Plus your implied assumption I was disruptive and disrespectful is misguided at best and downright patronising at worse.
Joseph Bolton Plus I've spoken on a higher level later in life with priests and at no point did they attempt to justify their beliefs as anything more than faith based upon stories intended to inspire rather than necessarily being totally accurate. It's when you hear people say the Earth is 6000 years old and that people and dinosaurs were cohabitees, that's where I draw the line. That and trying to dictate terms of dogma onto other people. I find it funny how evangelicals condemn Islam's rules while preaching of the sins of homosexuality.
"Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure" - George Carlin (a very simple man).
Cagatay Ocals "I don't claim to know everything thing" Atheist(most) don't claim to know there is no god but instead it is a personal belief that you don't believe in God. It is like this as an Atheist I would say "their could be in fact a God I just don't believe one exists because no evidence has ever shown to prove a God". Until God's existence has been proven I won't believe in it. By saying this I'm not saying that a god doesn't exist. I don't like the ways agnostic think because it doesn't require critical thinking but instead when someone asks you something you just say "no comment". When someone asks you if unicorns exist you *should* say "no I don't because no evidence has ever been found, but that doesn't mean that unicorns can't exist" but instead an agnostic would just say "maybe". You should accept things that have evidence and reject things until there is evidence but agnostics don't do this and that's why I say there critical thinking skill are lacking.
Cagatay Ocal Because there is direct evidence against any possible deity being loveable or merciful. Disease, natural disasters, genetic defects, the fact that the vast majority of water is basically poisonous. What religious people don't understand is that they can do whatever they want as well. Being a religious person or an atheist doesn't restrict your actions beyond what you decide should be restricted. You're way of thinking is akin to saying that murders don't happen because prison is a punishment. Science has been providing evidence for god's non-existence for a LONG time. There's a reason that back in the day, god was responsible for damn near everything, and now has been reduced to 'what created the universe' and such. If we found out the cause of existence tomorrow, people would simply insert god into the next mystery. Also, generally atheists will claim that there is no god in reference to the personal god as the very idea is asinine when subjected to scrutiny. As for a creator of some sort, nobody should assert anything.
Penn was my inspiration when I became an atheist at 16. I was afraid what my family would think because literally my whole family were Christians. Eventually I told them and they were supportive to my pleasant surprise. It felt like a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders. Love you, Penn & Teller.
@@ralphlitton8521 Even if we believed that we are free to commit all the "sins" we want without consequences, that doesn't mean that we actually WANT to commit any "sin" at all. In the end, maybe we have more "faith" in humanity than you.
Karl Addis of course it counts. It is how we know Jesus is who he claimed to be. Jesus said the Pslams and Prophets wrote about his coming. The OT is essential. I wouldn’t have giving my life to Jesus if I didn’t have the OT to look back on. In fact the apostles referred to the OT to make sense of it all. Shalom
@@onestepaway3232 How do you reconcile the endorsements of slavery, gang rape, genocide and brutality of the God of the Old Testament with the belief he is a loving God after Jesus arrived?
@@logan7243 There are no "endorsements" of any of those things. There's the acknowledgement that they happen, and historical record keeping of such, but it doesn't tell followers to "Go take slaves and rape them," or anything of the like.
Two things made me into an atheist. Number one was reading all of the Old Testament. It alone didn't make me a confirmed atheist, but I pulled back from religion and began to question everything about it. Secondly, and this is what sealed the deal: I was stationed in the Army in Frankfurt, Germany, and since my own father was German, I began to read true accounts of survivors of the death camps. I couldn't stop reading them! If it was fiction, I never would've bothered, but somehow I thought I owed it to all these victims, Jew and Gentile, to read how they suffered and died. But the final nail in the coffin was when I read that some babies and toddlers didn't die from the gassing and yet were thrown alive into the raging furnaces. Where was God? Why didn't he do something? If he cared, but didn't have the power to stop it, then he wasn't much of a god. If he had the power, but just didn't care, then he was evil. The only excuse for God that I saw was that he simply didn't exist. Now I'm an agnostic-atheist. I'm agnostic about the possibility of a higher being or force in the universe. but definitely atheist in regards to the Abrahamic God of Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Ever since the fall, mankind has done horrendous things and mankind continues to rebel against God. Just because God lets humanity do certain things, it doesn't mean he approves of them. God is all-knowing and gave humanity a chance through Jesus Christ. Please pray man for what God has blessed you with and may continue blessing you with. Faith in God is the first step.
I blame, or rather thank, my love of science-fiction, especially old school ‘hard” Sci-fi, for my conversion to atheism. This happened around the age of 12 and at the time I attended Sunday school, church services, youth of the church, the whole 9 yards. I purposely decided to read the Bible in its entirety and that, more than anything, is what cemented my loss of faith. I have no regrets at all.
Well said man, Christians always say that if you read the Bible than you will regain faith in god, but people who say that have never read the Bible themselves and have just been told all the good about it but has never been told about all the f*cked up things about.
I'm sorry you didn't have good Bible teachers and believers that helped you to experience Jesus, Holy Spirit and God's glory, I have read the Bible 4 times and the more I read it and the more study history and philosophy finding answers the stronger my faith has become. I was able to understand why God doesn't stop evil, why bad things happen to good people, finding with those answers forgiveness, compassion, and true peace. It is only when I focus my eyes in only human bad behaviour when I can become depressed, then I look at Jesus and I find hope for humanity and again love, compassion, forgiveness and spiritual peace. Humanity has tried to live without God until now, not achieving complete peace, love and harmony, all efforts to achieve these have been futile as history continues to be written. I'm absolutely sure that achieving these altruistic goals will never be possible without humanity accepting Jesus in their hearts.
Of course many cultures before and even after Jesus have had and still altruistic moral values. I didn't say the opposite. Still, Jesus has been the only man that have claimed to be God, performed miracles, died and resurrected. If you study history there is enough proof of these facts, not to mention that there are still people being martyred for believing in Him.
@@luzdivina2706 So you saw his miracles first hand? Did you manage to get a selfie on your phone with him? I see no proof of what the bible claims and anybody can become a martyr if they are stupid enough. Religion in general is responsible for more and bloodier war than anything else in history.... FULL STOP
@@paulstrahan4670 men are responsible for making religion evil, no all of them, it starts with hate, even just hateful speech like yours. Because of Jesus I forgive you for making fun of my faith. The Bible says True and undefiled religion is to help orphans and widows on their need.
It's more correct to say it's littered with ineffective application of the books that have been read cover-to-cover. They were read, but never applied. Whether by starry-eyed initiates or jaded adherents thinking their salvation is in condemning others. See @Lycanite's response below about reading Harry Potter. Or perhaps try reading a Kung Fu manual and see if it makes you a martial artist capable of defending yourself against an enemy.
There are those who can see the error in our thinking and wish to help us in our understanding. Isn't that what we had when we went to school? Yet, I do believe that for most of us, we wish to figure things out ourselves and reject the help that some try to give us. Our free will causes us to often learn the hard way. I do believe we each must learn to be discerning here. Most of us leave out the greatest element that allows us to discern as we were designed.
@@Unprofitable. Yes it does mean that, and the point is still valid. People coming to you trying to explain religion to you _obviously_ have an agenda. Now stop shoving your religion down people's throats, not cool
Thats a rule about life . . . Ask too many questions in: Christianity A Supermarket A watch store A gym Your grandparents house . . . and you'll be asked to leave.
@El-Khalifa El-Hamdi Not all atheists care about evolution, etc. Also, atheism is merely the lack of belief in a God. That's it. Just because we don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is automatically your particular god.
When I was six I was sent to sunday school. We were told the biblical stories. Then we got to Cain and Abel. One killed the other and was banished to Nod, where "he took himself a wife." I pondered on that. So far, there were only four people on Earth. Adam, Eve and their two sons. So where did this wife come from? I asked. I was told to sit down and be quiet. At that point, I stopped listening. Never looked back...
Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. A lot actually, it just doesn’t name out each of them. But in Genesis 5, when it goes into the genealogies of Adam, it says that he had other sons and daughters. So essentially Cain probably married one of his sisters, or one of his siblings’s offspring.
@Barthelemy Lazerlips - That's.......kind of an oxymoron and a contradiction all rolled into one, but Okay! If nobody understands the Bible, then we have no reason to invest any attention into it, right? Thanks for that.
Oooh the bible. The book where Moses takes the ten comandments including "thou shalt not kill" and 10 minutes later kills 3.000 israelites because they made a golden ox. And god was pleased. Yeah,i remember the first time i read it cover to cover. I felt like it was a bad joke,a prank. Like someone had replaced my book of god's love with a different book. It was an interesting day that day...
Yeh, it's a pretty sad story, God just rescued them and then they completely shove it in his face, no one looks good in that story and I'm sorry that God's love looked so distant, but I don't think God forgot it. 3,000 lives lost on the day the manifestation of God as fire fell on Mt Sinai, but when God manifested himself as fire in the New Testament (Acts 2) 3,000 souls are saved... Interesting, or maybe, you know, it could just be a coincidence...
@@justinwright1745 But a Just God implies that he will bring Justice for wrongdoing, right? And is Hell punishment for people who don't want to be with God, or is it where they actually want to be? If people don't want to spend eternity with him, why would he force them to be in a place where he is eternally there?
@@jacobcashmore9508 So is God is clearly capricious as hell. He just sends them to hell and welp just changed it later. God is an idiot if he is all powerful and can't do better than this.
@@jacobcashmore9508 So he brings Justice to those wrongdoing huh? Like those millions of children who die before the age of five, or the ones that get molested? Did they deserve that. How is me not wanted to spend eternity on my knees with a God who isn't worthy of my respect deserving of eternity in torture. I'm all for paying for my wrongdoings, but there's no way what I do in 80 years is going to be worth eternity of punishment. That is the most ridiculously stupid story ever conceived.
this is the most intelligent and spot-on monologue i've ever heard anyone speak about the bible. i am NOT atheist, i am deeply spiritual and recently decided i wanted to read the bible with hopes of finding inspiration and understanding from direct experience. i finished genesis and am almost finished with exodus and every single thing penn says is what i feel, except for becoming atheist. reading the bible hasn't made me not believe in god, it's made me utterly disgusted that anyone would believe in THAT god, the god of the old testament. it's incredible that millions upon millions of people would fall into line like sheep and blindly adhere to such obvious patriarchal, homophobic, misogynist, controlling, fantatical bulls*&t. i thank GOD, truly, for my intelligence and ability to analyze. it's also unfortunate how many people deduce that because the old testament is such a load of crap that god must not be real. there are other options.
My own father who grew up in a Catholic household and went to Catholic school but who is now non-religious... He had no idea about the horror stories in the Bible. They really do just pick and choose the best stuff and ignore the horror parts like it was never written. He looked up some of the stuff I told him... And he was shocked that he never knew any of this and that his Catholic School just ignored it.
Mounted Dragoon lol yeah. How about the one where the woman has to have her hand cut off for grabbing a dude's dick during a fight? That's a real Gem. They really just don't know their own stories.
Mounted Dragoon yep, and a perfect all-knowing All-Seeing all loving omniscient omnipotent creature decided to tell a dude to write that shit down.... Because you know... That is very important to know that women shouldn't grab dudes by the dick when they're fighting... Super important.
I always questioned the rationale behind worshipping a god who was a selfish dictator that murdered innocent children and animals simply to display his power
charles Receski then u got it all wrong. Satan's pit is very hot.....sadly. U atheists ALWAYS ignore the evils of Satan. And ya always ignore the good of God!
My teacher said that doing bad things for good reasons is still bad. An example she gave was, "Mark wrote out the answers to the test on his hand, although Mark has a good reason, it's still bad to cheat on a test." then I said, "So Mark can't cheat but God can kill?" I then followed with, "God flooded the Earth to kill all the living things on Earth, except Noah and the animals." "God had good intentions but what he did was still bad." then my teacher didn't acknowledge me anymore.
@@ashh8893 same this girl was giving a specch that god chose your path im like bruh your a human being you choose what you do god does not give a shit about you if anyone
If that threw you for a loop you should check out Numbers 31. Pay attention to the part where 32 people are sacrificed as a part of the "heave offering" it's verses 40-41.
@Bryan G, why do you say that's a human sacrifice? The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 men given to the Levite tribe as tribute -- the word used was "mekhec", translated as "tribute" or "tax". (The Levites were the tribe of priests who didn't fight in Moses' wars, but who were still promised a portion of the spoils. Individual Levites were able to claim slaves for themselves as spoils of war, and the 32 you mentioned were given as a tribute to God and were retained by the tribe through Eleazar the high priest). "...16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 31: 40-41) If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right. btw, the word is spelled "eradicate".
I said to check out the chapter Numbers 31 and pointed out the verses that said what was given to the priests. You stated,"The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 *men* given to the Levite tribe as tribute" None of them were men... none. Numbers 31: 35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of *women* that had not known man by lying with him. "If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right." You see what you did there? Right?? "btw, the word is spelled "eradicate"." I am guessing you were trying to take a jab at me but were so foaming at the mouth you didn't even realize I didn't say that. Is that correct? If you want to understand my point of view a little more perhaps you should just check it out for yourself. I am not alone in this opinion and it it pretty easy to find online. Why defer to the "just go look it up for yourself"? You don't appear to be able keep track of what you yourself are saying, much less what I am. I do realize it is the equivalent of telling someone to go read the bible and to do some personal research themselves but I won't argue with someone who doesn't understand what they themselves are saying half the time. Best of luck to you.
The fact that this is such a great deal for people, both religious and atheists, speaks a lot about the USA... In most of the rest of the world (maybe i should say "Civilized world"), people dont give a fliying F about that. Like, seriously, zero F's given.
ComandanteJ I know. Here you admit to being one or the other someone's going to treat you like shit and claim to be better than you. I've traveled to a lot of religious and atheistic countries and they don't care. They love and accept you.
I remember going to Bible School and none of the Biblical teachings made a lick of sense to me; yet I realized I was a kid and since all the adults were taking it seriously, I just figured I was simply missing something. I was wrong. Religion actually is the horseshit I'd imagined it to be.
Same here. forced into bible studies on the weekend till i was 13 then i had enough. This kid that was the same age as me would join in the study. 6 months later saw him skating by, i waved and said whats up. He rode past... thought he didnt hear me. The second time he was walking, went to shake his hand and greet and he pertended like i was a ghost lol. fucking cults
@@RA82828 I wouldn't say religious beliefs balance the population, I would say they create a crisis of possible overpopulation. Almost all the Christians say the same thing, "Be fruitful and multiply." The Christian coalition is responsible for stamping out possible safe sex practices such as condoms, Catholicism etc. If anything, religious ideologies breeds overpopulation, not a population balance.
Why do you think Mormons in general have such large families. I got sucked into it by having five children, paying tithes and giving up my time. Organized religion is the spawn of Satan. @@lordofthegremlins
Read the Bible when I was 14 cover to cover. Realized that religious leaders have severely misrepresented it which has more to do with Penn's atheism and his hatred for the Bible.
I was looking for this comment. Atheists intepreting literally the old testament word for word are just as bad as christians that do the same thing. They dont realize it but both are fanatics. The atheists are taking it to the the next level by replacing relegion with something else. The most common is science or nihilism and turn them into relegion.
@Shane Patrick The solution is simple. Every modern person must be able to wear multiple hats. That means that one must be able to have common sence and think with structured logic and critical thinking. Within everyone must exist a strict mathematical thinking alongside a spiritualness that represents everything that is unknown to the person. Without spiritualness we turn into cynics and cynicism turns into greed and today we are living its consequenses more than ever. The bible and more specifically the old testament, which I assume you are refering to, carries deep knowledge and tradition of many thousands of years, even from the first civilizations of mesopotamia, which have passed the test of time. Even if you dont believe in god or disagree with them, you need to know those stories and understand them because they shaped the world as you know it. The new testament, at the very least, is a story of self sacrifice, a hard pill even for those that claim to believe in Jesus. Personally, the first time I read it for myself, it blew my mind and I completely disagree with you. Also, if you have the stomach, I suggest you read "The Brothers Karamazov". It will teach you more than anyone on the internet.
@@-gearsgarage- The RC Church removed reincarnation from Christianity in the fourth century leaving everyone scratching their heads trying to understand why some of us are born crippled and poor and others healthy and rich. The Bible, religion and the Lord are three totally different things. My faith is in the Lord.
I went to a religious school for 4 years in which we had bible study class twice a week. I'll never forget the first time I asked a question at that school. I was told I was no longer allowed to ask any more questions without the risk of being kicked out of the school and my parents not getting a refund. From that moment, I understood that religion isn't about truth. It's about money and control.
I became an atheist by reading the bible too. I recommend that all Christians ACTUALLY read the bible. There is a difference between reading the bible and ACTUALLY reading the bible. The difference is one requires you to critically think.
Zzzzzz... It is scary as hell to think critically,safer to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy until parents tell you the truth and you are heart broken after that
Thank-you for that! I admire that even through all your doubts you still went diligently to Youth Group. It’s been quite the opposite with my mother. She spent most of her life searching for something then around ten years ago became Evangelical Christian. I can’t take it - some of the things she says are so hurtful.
One example is around my son who has a seizure disorder. She tells me it’s demonic and that I need to find an exorcist. All her logic, compassion, and time for her grandchildren - gone. She spends all her time alone with her Bible and that’s how she likes it.
Thats like saying taking math lessons made You stop believing in math!( cus you didnt understand it or had a evil strickt teacher) Maby you should stop going to school and learn by yourself
I went to a catholic school, and seeing how much stupid shit they talked about there, I re-thought my concept of Christianity, and my faith grew stronger than ever, much stronger than those superstitious hypocrites. Some people give up, others patiently look around for answers.
Heh, yeah. I started studying Art History and as Christian art is very prevalent I decided to read the bible cover to cover. When I was done I was like: "What the fuck was that? How can ANYBODY subscribe to that?"
Bär Honigfeld Me too! I didn't consider myself a christian before reading the bible but still I held the book in some sort of reverence. Only three-four pages in, my mind was going "WTFWTFWTFWTF? There are people who take this seriously??". Took me three months to finish the whole thing.
Very very few people ever read it cover to cover. I think people tend to stick to a religion because of the culture heritage and tradition. We all have familial and social rituals, some stem from religion.
So it's the latter, why have it? I don't understand when people are so expressive about being atheist, I understand for Muslims, Hindus, Christians etc because there's a cultural, social aspect to religion but you and I don't have atheist meetings in a nonreligious building to read from our mundane book and discus how we believe the universe was created (though I do like to think about that from time to time) so there's no real bond of seeing another atheist as there is for other religious beliefs
***** I've been to church and mosque many times and have only come across nice people. I don't deny dogma exists but to fight it with more dogma isn't going to solve anything ask Stalin
Being free of religiously-imposed guilt, fear, and prejudice toward so-called sinners has opened me up to that which can be truly divine, all-loving, wise and growth-orienting.
Well you will divinely be judged by God according to the lies Satan has fed you and you chose it. Remember if you end up in Hell what I'm telling you. Jesus Christ is healing people today through His people, I have seen deaf ears opened, people in wheelchairs get up and start pushing them, and demons come out of people at the name of Jesus. What is this all about then stupid? Jesus is God. Try to dismiss the 300 spoken descriptions of who Jesus is and what He will do thousands of years before He came to earth and did it. You can't run from God you will end up in Hell.
@Ninja TypesTooFast What's he doing? Saying convert or die? Internet preaching isn't forceful. It's not like the pixels will make you convert. There is solid proof of God, and there is enough proof of the Resurrection to put it beyond reasonable doubt.
I remember when I was researching arguments against religion when I was a Christian, pen and tellers bullshit episode on religion took a part in helping me realize things. I'll always appreciate penn and teller for that
@@benlee5039 Are you saying that their research is incorrect? If so please feel free to show me otherwise with factual information. Just because they are comedians doesn't mean they are not intelligent or informed.
@@paulstrahan4670 I never said that they were unintelligent or uninformed, I'm simply stating that getting religious information from comedians isn't as reliable as getting it from those who spend thousands of dollars to get a degree in religious studies. Im not going to go into the details of if God is real or not, because I can write a whole book on it and not change your mind on it, but looking at both sides of the argument is generally a good idea and not being biased.
@@benjaelee What's the difference in some of the information given when you compare common folk to religious enthusiasts and historians? If you see a discrepancy, that discrepancy may be wrong but that doesn't mean everything that person says is anyway. Check everything yourself.
Christians, explain this to me without muttering some vague avoidance about free will. God created me the way I am yes? (Even if not it still works) God is all knowing yes? So god knows completely why I don't believe in him and why I think his entire relligion is bullshit, and he created me as a person who requires solid evidence to devote my existence to an invisible sky daddy right? And he didn't provide the evidence I require to believe in him. Yet if I don't believe in him (and he completely understands why I don't because he is all knowing) he still forces me to burn in hell for all eternity? Wtf god.
I am a Christian and will try to give you an answer. May I start by stating these are very good questions! To paraphrase - I think you are asking Does God knowingly predestine people to Hell? As you've indicated - if he is 'all-knowing' then it definitely seems like the answer is Yes. But if I could nudge you to take it one step further and question why that is and what kind of God would allow that. I believe God finds no satisfaction in people going to Hell and that it actually devastates him. Consider this. You have a child and you raised that child the best you can teaching him to be honest, safe and good in life. But later you see that child about to do something that you know is going to hurt him. You try to stop him but his pride overtakes and he ends up hurting himself. You saw it coming the whole time but ultimately - that child is in pain and now, so are you. I believe God interacts and feels this same way. In this video, I think Penn is more focused on the old testament which as he states, has a lot of horrible stories. But if you look at the new testament and in particular, the words of Jesus, he explains why those things of the old testament happened and what it really means. The true Christian belief is that it devastates God to see people go to hell. It hurts him so much that he sent Jesus. I know this opens up many other questions like God’s omnipotent power, etc. Impossible to talk about it in a youtube comment but msg me if you want to chat.
The answer is that we choose hell rather than to trust in God. We chose to perish when we chose to sin and rebel against God. So in essence, when we sin we inherit the faith of the one who we forfeited the earth to (Satan) because we chose to do evil instead of choosing to trust in God and do good. He chose to give us a way out through faith (trusting in Him) which is where Adam failed in the Garden.
Cavemantero We don't choose to go to hell, god sends us there. Imagine someone points a gun at you and tells you to give them your money, and you say no, so they shoot you, did they shoot you, or by your logic did you shoot yourself because you didn't fulfill their demands, god is the shooter if you don't worship him fulfilling his demands he shoots (sends you to hell) and yet people say we send ourselves there smh
*A Google Account* Well, I believe a closer analogy would be to see God as a father, a comparison that was briefly mentioned above. He tells you that you're living your life in a way that, while very likely satisfying and enjoyable for you, is ultimately not the best thing for you overall. Naturally, we humans have a tendency to vehemently oppose instructions that go against things we personally want to do or enjoy, resulting in a lot of pushback against God's presence in our lives. As a simplified version of the situation, we are told that we can either come home and be with him (through Jesus), or choose to be 'free/independent' from him. Important to note that this choice has to have been made before death. God's influence is permanently affecting the physical world, so we currently live in a place with the potential for both good and evil. However, once we pass on, it's either one way or the other. Now, for an atheist (or any non-Christian), naturally you wouldn't love God or Jesus, or even believe in them, so by default you'd choose to be away from Him. The only problem here is that good only exists in the presence of God. Because you've chosen independence from Him, He sends you to the only place that meets the requirement of being away from his presence, Hell. It's not a place of torture for torture's sake, it's just that being separated from God's influence of good, only evil can exist there. Of course, there is also the duality of God as both father AND judge, with Hell as both a person's desired place away from God as well as their punishment for sin, but that'd be further reading if you were interested.
I read the bible cover to cover from 16-17. By the time I was finished, I was an agnostic and soon thereafter, I was an atheist. About 10 years later, I dated a Christian. She begged me to go to church. I read the Bible again. After an open disputation with a very insecure preacher, I was asked to leave. I told them it was not a problem. I was an atheist and knew more than he. I read it one more time. CONFIRMED!!! I'm an atheist.
That's great....just remember because you don't understand doesn't mean it not true. The more I read the more I believe. An d the fact the preacher seemed or was insecure doesn't mean you know more about the Bible...if you REALLY knew.,,you'd KNOW Christ is the Living Son of God.
@@donnaporter9865 The more I read the less I believe. The Christian Bible is a joke. If you think that the one preacher was the impetus for me not believing, not true. That occurred 11 years after I stopped believing. If you weren't so deluded, you'd stop believing, you'd understand.
Mr. Jilette: I love your magic, I love your comedy, and now I love how you share profound personal experiences. Thank you for sharing, and doing so in your unique way. I look forward to more videos!
If a priest read the Bible in church from beginning to end, a lot of those church members would realize how absurd Christianity is. When I was in high school and in love with Jesus I decided to read the Bible. Pretty messed up to learn that I had been wrong about the most extreme part of my life.
Religion can't abide someone who can think and question for themselves as it falls apart so very quickly under the slightest scrutiny. -Me, Just now. (And probably lots of other people throughout history)
Time is, was and always will be right there. It happened, and will happen.. It doesn't just disappear.. There is Eternal time.. It's never to late to respond to any of these lost souls that do not know the truth about Jesus.. They may still have the same phone, email, etc,. And this may reach them... I am telling all these non believers in Jesus.. For the sake if their eternal soul & dwelling place.. (Heaven or Hell?) If you cannot read the original ancient Paleo Hebrew scriptures.. Then your not getting the true word of God..! He said Do Not Add To.. Or Take Away From His Word.!!!! If you take "any" Paleo Hebrew Word & Translate it into a different language in writing... You've just changed it.. You've just edited it.. You've just re-defined the original word into some close to what your language can use.. If you cannot read ancient Hebrew.. Ask Jesus for yourself to come to you and reveal the truth to you. Ask Him to show you what your end life reality will be ... But when you ask... Ask with a sincerely truthful heart that truly wants to know.. Also.. for better understanding of the original word... See Alan Hovarth on UA-cam.. He is very accurate in his teaching.. Also... You might want to look up all the people who in the past few most recent years who have been visited by Jesus, who has seen Heaven and He'll..! Children too small to talk profess the name of Jesus and His returning soon! Don't be left behind to suffer the time of terror... Because it is coming & you need to be ready! Blessings & Peace be upon you! In Jesus name! Amen! Hallel-Yahwah! & His Ruach HaKodesh! I plead the blood of Jesus here!!! Amen!
Stupid ppl believing in god lol... what has god to do with us? We r just parasites in this universe expanding our generations like a virus. God must get rid of us soon if there is really a god.
@@Bigshady843 Faith, however misplaced it can be, can metaphorically "move mountains" - a rat in an infamous 1950s test lasted 5 or so hours when put in a water tank before nearly drowning. When put in again later, it lasted over 12 hours, or the demonstratable story goes something like that. Point is, faith in yourself or that you can do it, etc. is very important. A good school student with no motivation or belief they can do well in a particular subject often doesn't do well, while the ones that do have faith that they can do it if they try. I'm not defending believing in things based on faith, but the quote "Faith can move mountains" is true in at least one way.
You probably don't need to imagine. The odds are actually pretty good that someone you grew up with or went to the same school as or lived in the same town as grew up to become famous. If you do any sort of hobby that produces some famous people you'll probably be around some of them at some point. For example I like to bicycle and I've ridden with some people who rode in the Tour de France or set records and so on. Anybody who is famous for bicycling is going to spend a lot of time bicycling and they will ride with thousands of people so it's not exactly a miracle if they meet less famous people who also ride a lot.
@@jeffforsythe9514 - Faith does not move mountains. Rather, faith is believing you can move mountains even though you never have and neither has anybody else. Faith is belief without evidence or even against the evidence. In that sense faith has a lot of power, because it's not always easy to make people believe in ridiculous things.
When I talk to my mum about the non sense that is the bible, she says "If one reads the bible without God's enlightenment, one will misunderstand everything." There's just no way of arguing.
She is right. Without faith in the gospel Gods Word remains a sealed book. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (1 cor 2:14). There are also other reasons for not understanding passages, but enmity towards Gods testimony should be the main reason for seeing Gods word as mainly law/rules or "non sense". Its hard to understand or receive the message if we at the same time are busy resisting and fleeing God. But when the enmity has ceased and the soul rests in the testimony of the crucified and resurrected savior, Gods Son, Jesus Christ, one starts to be more receptive, and makes a proper distinction between law and gospel (which is more than just intellectual work, as it has to do with knowing God through Christ), and the idoltry of the mind stops (="i know better than God how things should be" or "a real God wouldnt come to us in the form of a rejected poor carpenters son" or viewing God as some kind of Hitler, not seeing Gods amazing selfsacrificing love through Jesus Christ). Instead of resisting one needs to be convicted of sin and surrender to (or rather flee to) Gods love in Jesus Christ. Suddenly the bible isnt just a difficult book, but words of the living God, and the pieces of the puzzle starts to make sense. Suddenly one sees God in Jesus Christ, and God as love and not as some kind of unrighteus Judge, suddenly one admits sin as sin, and find comfort in the gospel. Even religious people can have problem with all this and sometimes the resistance against God is most severe in religious people as they can be proud before God and find comfort in their religious activites rather than in the cross and the empty tomb, "Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." (2 cor 3:12-18).
volkswin And i thought believers were crazy when i wasnt a believer, and when i became a believer people who used to flock around me was like "he has become one of them". Obviously there are some kind of war going on behind the curtains
internetsurfer777 Being crucified to resurrect 3 days later is not much compared to hell for all eternity. It would have been more efficient to not create a hell in the very first place. Throwing someone to hel for evcer and ever for not obeying, is not what i would call free will. Its the very contrary. Its like me saying "Sign this contract, or i will shoot you!" You may not sign the contract (free will?), but you will be killed afterwards for doing so. This is not what id call an all loving god. This is what we call a mafia boss. And Allah is even worse. At the time when monotheistic people were stoning adulterers, there were religions in asia, that were indeed peaceful and caring. Not like yahwe or allah.
Soundcomplex Jesus death was not just any other torture killing of some martyr. The suffering of Jesus includes more components, like a) the God the eternal Son became like us, took on human nature, out of free will, this suffering or humiliation starts at the moment of incarnation. He came down from the seat of God (Joh 8:42) from the high position of glory (Joh 17:5) b) he didnt have to do this. we are just born becuase of reproduction. he was born into the world to save it. c) when he came to the world he avoided using the might and power he has all the time since he is God almighty.. and not only did he avoid to use it all the time, he put it aside to be like us, to be in our condition, d) God is not under the law (Gal 4:4), under the commandments, since he is the Lawgiver, but God the Son willingly put himself under the law, under the commandments, so that there will be one man who will keep the law. This way everyone who dies trusting in his free gift is declared holy in the eyes of God and "inherit" the kingdom of God, that is, receive it AS IF we deserve it. We depend on his righteousness, which could only be ours if he left his high position to place himself under the law. e) during life he was tempted, though God the Son has no reason to be in a place where he gets tempted, but he came to us, kept the law and didnt fall into any sin (Joh 9:46; Heb 4:15; Heb 9:14) f) he wasnt ever forced to die the most shameful death. he gave his own life out of free will (joh 10:18). martyrs die because cruel people capture them or because they endure persecution unto death for something they believe in. Gods Son on the other hand said he gave his own life out of free will, not for his own sake or for a good cause, but for sinners, yes his own enemies (Rom 5:6-8). So its an act of free will and love, not somethign he had to do for his own sake or was forced to do. Moreover: g) his suffering didnt start at the crucifiction moment, but at his incarnation, and followed by his temptations, the enmity he met, the very intense affliction and anguish he had in ghetsemany, when his pain was so great he showed signs of ematidrosis, a condition in some people suffering extreme levels of stress, when blood comes out together with sweat. While doing this he was also obeying God the Father, and prayed "your will be done, not mine". h) though he could be on the almighty throne in heaven, he was down here on earth, crying, sweating, having ungodly people dress him in a crown of thorns, hit him and mock him, giving him so harsh brutal treatment with whipping etc that he died much earlier than people usually died during crucifictions (Mark 15:44-45; Joh 19:33) i) at the last hours the entire city had turned against him, his discipled was scared and fled, the people who walked by the site mocked him, the priests mocked him, the roman soldiers mocked him, even the thieves mocked him. j) and yet the things described so far is nothing compared to the greatest of pains, and the aim of all this, that he was to die in the place of sinners. this means the agony at the cross was so great because he experienced Gods wrath over sin that he cried out "My God My God why have you forsaken me". He was not experienced physical pain and horror and humiliation but actually experiencing Gods wrath over sin, that means, not just one sin, or all sins in one human, but every sin for every human. Jesus Christ "becoming a curse for us"(Gal 3:13). Heaven will be filled with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, evildoers, homosexuals, sexual immoral people, murderers, wretch people of all kind.. because Jesus Christ is their righteousness. "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ" (2 Cor 5:19). THe guys who end up in hell are those who reject this free gift. They prefer a life in sin, pride, idolatry. The condition: Death is not a natural thing. Death is unnatural. Humans were created to live forever. People die because there is sin in the world, because we are all sinners (Rom 6:23; Eph 2). No one enherits the kingdom of God by "obeying". We enherit the kingdom of God by receiving a gift which is given to us, in repentful hearts, rejoicing over Gods free gift, and as a fruit of this faith we start to obey God and become more and more sanctified. Your image "sign this paper or ill shoot you" does not work. Grace and saving faith has does not build on fear only, but of thankfulness, assurance, joy, peace, a new life. If we study the Bible this would be a more proper image Someone comes to a criminal and says: "You have commited awful crimes all your life and we can prove it by reading the law for you, you are about to be brought before the Judge, but the Judge has a big heart, he has both payed your debts and payed for the best Lawyer in the country who will speak for you, and we know that this Judge is not a liar but a honest man who never lies, and he is full of love and mercy - Now stop burning down the house of the Judge, stop spitting on the contract with the Lawyer, stop committing new crimes, but instead rejoice! be glad! change your ways, for you dont have to suffer your juste punishment for your crimes"
I became an atheist at 10 years old when the preacher at my church during prayer kept speaking to god in the third person like he was talking to the congregation. I opened my eyes thinking I had missed the amen and saw that everyone had their heads still bowed in prayer. It dawned on me that no one in the church actually believed in a real god like I had been taught, they believed in a pretend god. From then on my suspicions were confirmed at every turn.
Care to explain why the solution for Pi is a non-repeating infinite number and why infinity exists without inciting the name of God or why we have an imagination and where it came from? Not trying to be condescending so don't take it that way, I just feel it is a valid area of analysis. Here is a thought that may make you see God in a different light. God is said to be celestial so why would anything a human being said hold any weight if the interpretation doesn't equate to simply asking God? Your right humans do not have the power or authority to dictate what God means or who God is. I refer to God as God myself because I believe gender is a limitation and I believe God is without limitation and organized religion places limitations extremely well on God. Honestly the reason I cannot understand why atheism should be valid is it creates a paradox in my mind in which you must first acknowledge the existence of God before denying he exists and you have to have an extreme level of faith as it is more reliant on God's existence than any other philosophical belief in order to validate it in your own mind. So I went the road less traveled by everyone, combine every religion into a whole understanding and then I got it and no it is not at all what preachers tell you and honestly I got this idea from asking God. The ultimate message is not how to get to heaven that is instinctual, not bigotry and hatred, all I got from it all was to simply ask God not humans. Only God can answer questions you have about God no one else, they can help you by telling you how they took it but if they ever say "because God said so" or "because God don't like it" then they are an idiot and will never see what I am talking about. If it all still sounds crazy to you then you know your not really ready to take on that heavy of a question. I personally believe God is real but that God does not conform to a standardized idea or an extremely fucked up narrative exploited by so many people, but is much more than any one book, religion or person could cover.
Frank, if you knew enough to know that they were doing it wrong, why didn’t you decide to do it right instead of not doing it all? How is that any better?
evilcowboy Your premise that atheism is the denial of “God” is faulty from the outset. Atheism is simply the position of not having an affirmative belief in any “God” because the person is unpersuaded due to lack of evidence and the dubiousness of the arguments in favor of a “God” - it does _not_ begin with acceptance of a “God” proposition which is subsequently denied. Accordingly, your philosophical assertions about atheism somehow presenting a “paradox” are logically fallacious and easily dismissed.
C.S. Unger Wrong again - typical theist projection - you’re the one engaged in a “cop out”, since you like other theists are inevitably trying to shift the burden of proof. You are the one claiming there is a “God”, so *prove it* . Atheists simply don’t believe your theistic claims and assertions without evidence.
Human beings are predisposed to create and cling to the idea that it must be a higher power responsible for that which we do not yet understand. The shear number and variety of "gods" that have been created, and fallen out of favor, over the last 200,000 years is evidence enough to understand the futility in those creations. It is a by-product of our relative underdeveloped consciousness.
Champerj so lemme get this straight, Human beings who Love to Lie, Steal, Murder, have lots of immoral sex, drink to get drunk, gamble their money away and live a worldly prideful life invented a God who says don’t do any of that stuff you love to do.....Human beings invented the ultimate party pooper, because that makes total sense. But yet all the false gods who are dedicated to all the things people Love......some how none of them stuck around? Aphrodite goddess of sex no one wants to worship her but they wanna worship the One who says no to the immoral sex. Yep this makes lots of sense.
immoral sex like gay sex and adultery makes perfect sense to be warned against!. you cant just have weird sex or do whatever you want. There are rules to follow.
It's accurate to say that evolution has selected for this over hundreds of millions of years. And arguably "evolution" is the greatest "reality" and "judge" of Life there is. What we are keyed to detect, is "agency". Psychologists have identified a series of interwoven processes from all over the primitive brain and reaching up into the cortical brain they've dubbed, the Hyperactive Agency Detection Device. We look for patterns of mean that indicate more than just "inertial motion". It comes out the need to rapidly distinguish between a stick and a snake, but has found utility in detecting patterns of agency. Just be careful in tossing stuff away as "by-product of our relative[ly] underdeveloped consciousness". Because YOU yourself could easily be classified as this by the same standards you're applying! One of the huge traps of ego that we fall into as a species, is thinking that just because something is primitive, it's useless. And also that just because we cannot in our callow egotic reasoning find a purpose for something, it must have no purpose. Which interestingly, is one of the traps that maintaining a healthy respect (what ancients called "fear") for a Transcendent Ideal. And doubly interesting, did you know that Nietzsche predicted 130 or so years ago that we would end up at this place of considering ourselves "ubermunsch" (essentially gods-into-ourselves) even as we are led into all kinds of callow ideological belief-systems, if we managed to "kill God" in our own mind?
Polly Pockets Of course. Met so many intelligent religious people. You are correct. ...but man! Dense ones are superbly annoying and a big black spot to progress and reality.
I remember the moment when I realized that, even as a Christian who was in the mission field, I believed in the Bible in the same way I believed in my favorite novels. I was fascinated, intrigued and completely moved by the possibilities presented in this fantasy history - but no rational part of my actually thought it was real. It was like playing D&D with friends, cosplaying as your favorite character in your favorite world.... And like all things, eventually you just grow up and grow out of it.
I genuinely think that it was suppose to be more of a tale a story maybe a children's fable to keep in mind and scare them into good behaviour rather than something to truly believe in or accept as reality. But clearly someone took it too seriously as humans are kmown for with anything and started wars over it and got people who didnt know any better and were insecure and hopeless to listen and have hope that their life wasnt pointless suffering or whatever and that they were cared about and special vs some peasant feeling the weight of the world. Its a nice way to basically shurk off all responsibility and consequences and whatnot and feel like special or chosen or different in the same way that teen or young adult coming of age sort of novels preach to teens having a horrid time not fully child not fully adult weird hormones and social shit love the reassurance of heroines and normal people finding out their magical or royalty or something that makes all the bs worth it. Basically the bible is just a old school fairytale. Most religion is a mixture of that and an instruction manual on how not to get sick or die like have sex with your eternal soulmate only (because then you wont die of syphilis or have fucked up kids) dont eat unclean meats or do certain things cause SIN but actually youll get sick and die or end up regretting it etc. Like rest each week or youll die of overwork be grateful for what you have so you can be happy and love and help thy neighbour because then youll have strng community who can also watch out for you etc like a lot of the "good" stuff or rules are more just common sense and morals that we all innately have it really is just a fairytale telling you not to take food from strangers or tell lies or wander into the woods or off on general as a child. Like i feel sorry for people who cling to it but as long as they arent harming others their delusions are as important as anyone else using it as a coping mechanism for pain or hopelessness. Its why when i see teens or even adults who are like obssessed with books or movies or cosplay im really careful to sprak that enthusiasm and joy and not sjit on it like a lot of adults would as immature or not real or whatever because belief and joy and escapism in something is super important to humans. Our spirit or soul or whatever needs somwthing to love and look forward to and get lost in. But yeah i wish religious people would get lost in fandoms that dont start actual wars and kill people that arent them and abuse their power act in goverments and take advantage of those they claim to want to help like children teens unwed mothers homeless etc because the church any church hides so many sins and perpetrates them theyre the reason for the dark ages ffs. And so many wars if not all of them to some degree. Like if their is a magic being behind the book theyre not on humanities side. Maybe powerful rich men but noone else. You can tell it was written by patriarchal men. The fact that any females are religious at all is mental.
My son got us both kicked out of the First Baptist Church when he was seven, because he asked intelligent questions about Noah's ark that the Sunday school teacher couldn't answer. I was told that we were no longer welcome there because I supported my son's questions, told them I'd like to hear answers to those questions myself. We never went back, and I told my son I was very proud of him.
One guy didn’t have answers for your (or your sons) questions about religion, and you quit? So, actually you think that every believer should know answer to question regarding God? Maybe you just want a reason not to go there any more. God have mercy on your soul
I sort of had the opposite experience. I grew up as an agnostic bordering on an atheist. To coin my own word, I was a Idontcareatarian. As I grew older I explored a lot of drugs and wound up homeless and caught up in the drug game. I had an experience in the backyard of a house I was couch surfing at. I came to belief in Christ and this changed my perspective on life. I picked up the bible for the first time a few weeks later and started reading it. I found a great deal of wisdom and practical every day life tools. But yeah, I dont think anyone will read this and say "wow oh my, I want to read the bible now" lol. Just showcasing the exact opposite experience from unbelief to belief.
As a current Christian, I must confess that it is appalling when I hear or see other 'Christians' (I do not consider anyone a Christian just because they label themself one, but by rather how they live and act.) trying to push their beliefs on non-believers. It's good to share, if they are willing to hear, and it's good to show if they are willing to see. However it is not good to harass, belittle, condescend, scare, or show unwarranted animosity to those who do not believe. Same goes for any other religion, or atheistic stance. It's fine to share your opinion, everyone has one, but not everyone is right. Most are wrong, and we all seem to 'know' the answer to it, but again only one of us can be right or none of us. We should not be pushing or forcing anyone into any kind of idea or religion or faith. We have free-will for a reason. To give my opinion about this video: After reading the bible, the more and more I read it, the more I believe in God, the more I understand the world around me, and the more I see patterns and things falling into place. I love God's word, and it has gotten me through the most difficult times, and even the most easy times. I try not to take God for granted, I was not a Christian my whole life, there has been a period of 15 years or so of living my own way, but I know I was wrong. I'm a better person for loving and believing God, and it is what I consider a freedom, not a set of rules. To let God take over your life is freedom because he knows what's best for me more than I do for myself. When I do things my own way, things just do not work out the way I intended them, and usually for the worse. But when I'm obedient to God, things still do not work the way I intended, but there's a difference this time: I am better off for it in the end. As would all of us be. He takes care of us, as he has always taken care of me when I'm faithful. He has even shown me tremendous mercy and grace when I wasn't faithful, and I'm grateful for it. Let anyone who wants to know the truth, ask whoever may be in charge up there (God) to please kindly open your heart and eyes to show you the truth. "You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart." For everyone else, I wish you the best of luck and hope you one day realize that the scripture "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." rings true for you like it did for me. Also..I'd like to note that the growing rate of atheism is basically foretold in the bible in the end-times. Just throwing that out there.
Isn't that what we're supposed to do, though? To "go forth and make disciples" as the Great Comission says? Personally, that's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, thing I hate about my faith. I feel like I'm obligated to sell a product that many people need but nobody wants.
@@instagib783 we are not salesman. We are advocates and to show what they are missing by being a good example and loving others while they are yet sinners.
@@jomormont "sinners" I didn't read the christian bible i read the torah and i dont get why they talk about people who dont believe in their religion as if they are another species
Actually paying attention in church actually converted me to atheism. I’ve seen younger children ask hard to answer questions about religion and were ridiculed and called ignorant. I became an atheist at the age of 13 but my family doesn’t know except some of my siblings and cousins that are also atheist. It’s the old generation that fails to see how stupid religion is which is why atheism is growing. Atheism could be higher if people who hid it came out of the closet.
I wish if i could but my environment is so obsessed with religion if i criticised it they will hate me and see me like an ignorant and i don't think that i am smart enough or have great social skills to debate about a dangerous topic
I was a full on Catholic until I was 17. I decided to read the bible to expand my knowledge on the religion I loved, instead I ended up hating the idea of a deity who presents himself as the greatest thing ever but was actually an egotistical madman
"The old testament is responsible for more atheism than any other source it has emptied more churches than all the counter attractions of cinema, motor bicycle and golf" A A Milne
The old testament is not responsible, the old testament is Israel's history before Jesus, to really understand what happened and why it happened it is necessary to study history, philosophy and even understand relevant science concepts. Nowadays there are abundant sources, historians, philosophers, scientists, etc. even here in youtube where anyone who really thinks critically will find answers. The times of believing without thinking are gone for many of us. I believe not only because of my spiritual experience, but because I have researched answer to my questions and studied for several years the reasons for the faith that is in me.
Well spoken Penn! My best and shortest debate to 'shut up' christians is a small piece of paper - the size of a businesscard - that I carry with me everywere. On this piece of paper I (hand)wrote the following: " WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE". I will show that to christians when they start quoting any verse from the bible.
hahaha what a great way to appreciate being alive now and not in ratchety 1500s when religiouses were busy making up reasons to torture and imprison people for disagreeing with them about stuff that is measurably true
For me it took seeing Religulous for the 1st time to "convert" me away from superstition. A movie every religious person should see if he/she wants to test their faith.
I started asking questions during my confirmation classes as a teenager. The answers didn't make any sense to me. So, I played along, sucked it up and didn't make waves. But, it wasn't until later on in my 20s that I started exploring other ways of thinking. For me it became a quest to find the answers to my questions. Who am I? Why am I here? Where did I really come from? Why are these things happening to me? What happens when we DIE? What is God? Why is there religion? On and on ... the more I learned the more I realised the less I knew. Today my learning and seeking continues. I'm now in my 70. For myself I have learned one doesn't need or have to belong to a religion or a belief in a God to be a good, kind, loving and non judgemental person. I've come to the understanding that the important thing is to think the right thoughts and do the right thing even when no one is looking. Development of a kind, generous & loving heart is what I'm really here for. THIS is my mission, my quest. 💚
ExtantFrodo2 ... don't know how much longer I've got to be here. I've been very fortunate health wise. Never had a major health problem and don't at this time. Don't need to take any medication for anything. I don't even get a cold or flu. Served my country in the Navy. Was a hospital corpsman with the Marine Corps in Viet Nam & came home with out a scratch on my body & a sound mind. Have worked in the medical field in the service to others most of my life. So, now I'm retired & every day I wake up here in this dimension I'm pretty grateful. But, I know that my ride on this train of life has gone way past the halfway mark. The train has started to slow down a little. When the end of this ride reaches the final destination I'll be more then ready to disembark with no fear. To DIE must be a really great adventure! I do believe our consciousness our life force leaves & travels on to something new & perhaps fascinating. When the time comes I'll be looking forward to the new & wondrous adventure. But with gratitude for all I've experienced & been given (good & bad 😊) this time around. ExtantFrodo2, Good luck to you on your own journey. Wish you all the best that life can give.✌
*"I don't even get a cold or flu."* Don't be fooled like I was. I too never got a cold or flu when people all around me were. Cuts and scratches healed quickly and scarless...and yet my neutrophils had been steadily descending over the previous 2 years. A bone marrow biopsy showed AML and the doctor had me come in to the hospital that day. 2 rounds of chemo later they still saw cancer and said I couldn't survive a 3rd round, to go home and make my peace. That was 8 years ago. I had the 3rd round. SUCCESS! Then a bone marrow transplant from my sister (yeah for big families). I've no reason to suspect our consciousness (which is a result of neurons in action) will live on after my death. I'm only okay with that because I have to be. One might hope the freezing would be a viable option for beating death. Multiple backups constantly updated would be nice too. But what 'd really like it to fortify this body against damage and irrecoverable death.
Cosmic voyager Very true. Some of the most despicable people I have come across in my life wore their "Christianity" on their sleeve. Morality is so simple. Live by the golden rule.
cosmic voyager that’s nice in all but what if someone held a gun to your head and said never do good again, would you selfishly choose your own life over doing what’s right, or would you be willing to risk it all for the sake of what’s good? What if they told you for the rest of your life you would have to only do bad and instead of consequence you would be greatly rewarded, all your hearts desires handed to you because you did what was evil, no human family, friend or peer would judge you for doing wrong, they would encourage you. But as soon as you do good and what’s right the trigger will be pulled and your brains will be on the floor. You’ll lose everything you had all the things you love will be over, would you be willing to do that just for the sake of doing what’s right? Because the Disciples of Christ sure did and even to this day Christians willingly give up their lives for sake of doing what’s Right and Holy in God’s eyes.
Usually when religion is shoved down your throat when your just a child, you will be religious for life and defend all the holes in the Bible and there's lots.but if you never knew about religion and your older and educated and you read a Bible for the first time i can imagine how ridiculous it must sound. Then, the fact that so much of the world really lives by this and many other religions would have you scratching your head.
I actually read the Bible 9+ times from cover to cover, went to a secular divinity school and did a BA/MA, and also read it in its original languages, I am trained in Greek, and Latin (NT). I also read the God delusion, God is not great, Bertrand Russell and so on. I actually became more of a devout christian than l used to be.
Well, that would make you an idiot then, wouldn't it? I've also read the bible from cover to cover several times, and I didn't pick and choose while doing so. It's also apparent that you don't read all that well, since you didn't make a simple "typo" when you claimed to have read "BELTRAN Russell and so on". It's BERTRAND Russell, which strongly implies that when YOU read something, you DON'T get it right. Perfect confirmation for me.
@@geneladner8123 Hahahaha. "Beltran" was came up from the auto-correct which is in multilingual. So no biggies there. So, the only way to not be an idiot is to read the Bible and be an atheist. That makes you a rabid radical fundamentalist atheist. Anyways, let's get into this. I strongly doubt you have ever read the Bible from cover to cover. I bet, you cannot even tell me Jesus' nickname, or Moses' original name.,but that's fine I will pretend to believe what you said. I have actually read the Bible in its original context like the NT in light of second temple Judaism, the targum and the Septuagint, and it is fascinating and rich what you find in the New testament and in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). So, I don't cherry-pick portions of the Bible I read the 66 books i(including the apocrypha) in their original context and everything makes sense. The Bible only does not make sense to rabid radical fundamentalist atheists, and that is because they have never read it. The Bible is the most amazing and harmonious library which has shaped the lives of people and influenced cultures and civilization. That's why the Bible has been, is and will always be, the most influential library (not a book, because the Bible is not a book) in History. I have never ever met an atheist that has actually read the Bible (aside from my professors and a few other people). that old line from Isaac Asimov saying: "the way to be an atheist is to read the Bible" has gotten old already. So I repeat, No atheist (with very few exceptions) has ever even touched the Bible.
@@joelrodriguez1232 You are wrong; although to be honest l did skip through Numbers in places which got to be pretty redundant. Reading it revealed the petty tribalism at the heart of it, as well as the immorality of the Hebrew take on the devine. The fall from grace is ludicrous; Abraham is insane; we now know that the entire bondage in Egypt story is without one shred of archeological evidence and is just a story to justify the genocide that follows; and Jesus was just a carpenter -- if that -- since no savior is needed to redeem a fall that never happened. I would never claim to be a Bible expert but my personal experience in conversing with believers is that l often am more knowledgeable about what their horrid book contains than they are. Seems too many have this nonsense drilled into their heads when children then walk around knowing only a few of the Greatest Hits they remember from Bible School. This accounts why so many adult theists suddenly sound like dull children reciting badly written fairy tales when talking about their religious convictions. It's something that we as a species should work to move past.
@@dolnick7 Your comment exemplifies what I just said. Atheists have never read the Bible. Going off of what some Christians (who are Biblically illiterate) say and then claim to understand the Bible is ludicrous. I never hear anybody talk about the exilic, pre-exilic and post exilic period, the development of the kingdom(s), the birth of Israel as a nation, the minor and major prophets, the intertestamental period, epistolary segments and so on and so forth. It is not about cherry-picking and talking about the passages that you do not like, but it is about taking the Bible seriously and paying attention to the narrative from the big picture point of view. To say that the Bible is a horrid book shows the shallow reading you have done about on Bible. The Bible is not a book but a library like I stated above. so it cannot be a "book " of fairy-tales. Even if there were fairy tales (which I dispute) you would have to show me which section of this vast library that we call the Bible. For example if I say that the library of congress contains garbage , that would make me look like an idiot because I have not read every single book from the Library of Congress.
"Thou shalt not kill" - except for all the death penalties for ludicrous "crimes" like picking up sticks on the Sabbath. But you can live if you are a rapist and can afford to pay off the father or you marry the victim, of course.
David Ward So when you stone your teen child to death because it is disobedient,it's not murder,right? Or your teenage daughter because she is not virgin at her wedding? How about killing someone for being gay or because he works on Saturday? Are these considered kills and not murders? Wtf people?
“The pastor would let me talk to him about this stuff.” Yeah, most wouldn’t. Like my English professor who would tell us what a passage meant instead of letting us interpret it for ourselves.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Cool! I have looked for creationists who were willing and able to discuss their beliefs and defend them scientifically, but they are hard to come by. You sound like you are one of them, which is exciting. Here are my first two questions about creation: 1. Are you claiming Young Earth Creationism or Old Earth Creationism? 2. Do you claim that life was created ex nihilo as described in the Bible, or do you believe that the scientific evidence is accurate but God was behind all of it? Said differently, did God magic animals into existence or did he direct the process of evolution in order to produce the diversity of life we see today?
@@davidstorrs All your questions can be answered at falundafa, my spiritual Master directed me to point the Way to the Way but not to pretend to be the Master, it is His Divine energy that can unlock your wisdom, not me, good luck...........falundafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 Ah, rats. When you claimed that "if you have an open mind **I** probably have the answer" (emphasis added) then I was really hoping you were being honest, but nope. You're another of those creationists who claims to be able to justify his beliefs but can't and either deflects or points to someone else. Oh well. Looks like my streak of not being able to find honest and educated creationists remains unbroken.
I'm a Christian but when this popped up on my recommended videos I thought I'd give it a listen and the first thing I'd like to say is that I'm thankful to be able to hear an atheist that talks about theists in a respectful way. There's usually a lot of mud slinging going on in these kinds of videos and I have no time for people that can't be civil. The arguments here are sensible and well thought out and presented clearly. However I think there are a few misconceptions about the Bible here that I'd just like to bring up. First of all what we call the "historical" books of the Bible, notably the books of Judges and Chronicles and parts of Genesis - if you read through them you will notice that there is a lot of narrative but very little commentary. For example the anecdote given here of "Lot's daughters being gang raped and God being ok with it". What actually happened in this story is that some angels came to visit Lot in the city of Sodom and the people came to his house to try to "lay with" them (as the King James coyly puts it!) Lot essentially said "No these people are my guests but you can have my daughters instead". Now that's pretty sick, but nowhere in the narrative does it say that it was ok for him to say that, and actually what happens is the angels pulled Lot back into the house and stuck all the people outside with blindness, so the daughters weren't actually touched. There are many other examples in the Bible of things happening that are pretty horrific though. In the book of Judges, for example, there is a concubine who is left in the streets and abused all night until she dies, then she was chopped into 12 pieces which were sent to the 12 tribes of Israel. This is narrative though. If I were to describe some of the things that are happening Syria right now and put it in a book it wouldn't mean that I'm ok with it, just that I am relating something that has happened. Actually a lot of the Bible is like this. There are other points I don't have time to go into right now but that's one thing to consider when reading the Bible. I do think that a lot of these misconceptions are the fault of churches that try to sugarcoat Christianity and present it as being something it is not. I am fortunate enough to have previously gone to a church that goes through the entire Bible together chapter by chapter verse by verse and doesn't miss any of the nasty bits out but this is very rare. I think there is a need for Christians to stop packaging Christianity with sunshine and rainbows because as stated here it's very easy to see through it all when people actually start reading the Bible for themselves. Please don't dismiss it out of hand if it doesn't match up with what you've experienced of "contemporary Christianity" though. There's a lot more to this discussion but I need to go. I hope that makes sense.
+hawklord2001 It's your prerogative to do that, but I don't think God "relies on" people in the sense that he's dependant on us to propagate his message. If there is a creator of the universe does he really need us to believe in him? If the Bible is true then whatever we lose or gain through faith is really on our side not his. The concept of him giving us this message at all is pretty dumbfounding. If we've got it wrong then that's our fault and not his. I don't think he owes it to us to propagate his message in some other way. I'd agree with this video that everyone should read the Bible for themselves and decide what to believe about it. I just think they should also bear in mind that if it doesn't fit with their experience of contemporary Christianity then it doesn't necessarily mean that the Bible is wrong.
That's pretty fallacious reasoning. If someone sends you a message through an intermediary you would dismiss it out of hand? Then you didn't go to school? Or believe anything in a news report or article? I find that hard to believe.
That means you already presuppose a priori the non-existence of supernatural beings though, so you wouldn't listen anyway. That means even if there were a supernatural being you would never accept it.
+hawklord2001 The only way to verify or disprove the source of the information is to examine it and see if it stands up to scrutiny. This goes back to what I said earlier - that we all ought to examine the Bible for ourselves. It's jam packed with historical statements relating to various ancient kings and battles and events, it makes scientific statements that we have only relatively recently discovered ie. Isaiah 40.22 says that the earth is round, Ecclesiastes 1.6 describes air currents, Leviticus tells doctors to wash their hands in running water. Also about 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy. The Bible was written by about 40 authors over about 2000 years yet if God is omnipotent then he can give us an integrated message that is true and consistent. The only way to find out if this is the case is to read it for yourself and not dismiss it out of hand. To disprove the Bible you only need to find one indisputable error, so why not give it a go?
+hawklord2001 I wasn't trying to confirm or prove anything. I was just trying to say you can't prove or disprove the Bible without looking in the Bible. You say you will disregard the Bible because it can't be proved but you can't know that for sure unless you read the Bible. I haven't actually been trying to persuade you that God is real or that the Bible is true. I'm just saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense to say that the Bible can't be proven if you haven't read it. The only way you can make this statement is if you are taking other people's word for it, which is exactly what you're saying you won't do in regards to the Bible. This is a video of an atheist suggesting that atheists ought to read the Bible for themselves. I'm just agreeing with him.
So true. When I meandered my way through the bible as well as I could around the age of 12, I began questioning. When I revisited it as an adult, and compared it to what I knew about science at that time, I came out of the closet as an Atheist. Now it is a no-brainer. Thanks Mr. Jillette.
@@jestork1 I've re-read that message I sent you.I apologise as it was rude and I have no excuse.I do get far to annoyed when I see people been deceived.Read Mathew chapter 24.Then tell me if those things aren't happening right now.
@@allangrant6349 We could go back and forth for ages and will respectfully acquiesce. I have a close Christian friend with whom I have bantered back and forth with for years. We appreciate each other for what we do as individuals regardless of our beliefs and focus on being good people who do the right thing for the sake of doing so and not for reward or fear of punishment. That is the commonality between us. Take care and good journeys.
@@jestork1 The fact is there has only ever been one Good person that has walked apon this Earth and that was Jesus Christ as he was perfect.I believe we should be careful what we say about the Bible.As Jesus first words were in his prayer.."Our Father who art in heaven Hallow be they name"(Hallow meaning Sanctify.)We should show great respect to God and Respect the Bible without Banter.
You often hear the claim that actually reading the Bible will make you an atheist. I would say for me it was definitely a factor. However, there are also a lot of people who become Christians through reading the Bible or have their faith reaffirmed by doing so. I think it really depends on your mindset when you start.
Yes, my mothers enthusiasm for violence in the bible made me inclined to atheism. She liked to quote it while beating, or brow beating us kids. My fathers compassion
Uh, look around. Did "evolution", your beloved lie, do some great service to humanity? According to you we evolved from knuckle dragging animals...into what? Billions killed by war, poverty, violence and crime with no end in sight. I wouldnt thump my chest and brag on being a big bad evolutionist in the shit world you live in if I was you.
@@gennymikel4296 You act like evolution is supposed to do some service. All it does it explain a single thing, that life forms change over time. Even if evolution were false, war, poverty, violence and crime exist irrespective of it or any god. I wouldn't thump my chest and act condescending if I were you considering you don't seem to grasp what the Theory of evolution addresses, and you somehow link it to the violence in the world as if that violence wouldn't happen if evolution were false. Plus, there's nothing beloved about it. It's just a thing that exists. I don't pray to Darwin and worship at the altar of evolution. I also find your pretentiousness fascinating. You claim to know what Jasmine thinks, when she never mentioned evolution. They're not mutually exclusive concepts. There are atheists who reject evolution just as there are theists who accept it. But since you reject evolution, I'm curious to know as to why? What is your evidence against it, should you have any?
Transylvania 6500 Just to clarify, if you believe in evolution, you believe in the unscientific fact that something came from nothing? Also, can you give an example of one being changing kind? That is from crocodile to snake or deer to cow...love to hear your answer.
Thou shall have no other gods before me... Doesn't god more or less tell us there is other gods? He could have clued us in who they are so we could chose
I love the whole part where it says any likeness or representation of him that is not him is blasphemy Which means every single church and cross and anything that represents him is blasphemous
@@thecloneguyz yup you can't be more correct. I never thought about it from that perspective. Its so stupid with the bible. Especially now with internet where you can twist and turn every word in the bible and share like we do. You find holes in the whole damn book... The only consisting thing is that its pretty stupid
Drugs kill brain cells. Gods means anything before him. He is the only true god the others are fake gods like Budah, Mohammed. Gods could also be people or things like jobs govts ideology ect.
@@aracelyemmett3493 'ANY LIKENESS OR REPRESENTATION' SO ALL CHURCHES, CROSSES, AND ANYTHING THAT 'REPRESENTS' HIM IS BLASPHEMY VERY PLAIN SIMPLE WORDS TO UNDERSTAND
@@aracelyemmett3493 SCIENCE INVENTED YOUR RELIGION! SCIENCE influences, dictates or designed 99.99% OF YOUR LIFE Entertainment Nutrition / Health Clothes Transportation Employment Technology LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU SEE, TOUCH, FEEL, SMELL OR INTERACT WITH WAS INFLUENCED , DESIGNED OR DICTATED BY SCIENCE!!!!!!! THE .01% thats says RELIGION is NOT REAL, YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT! BUT HAVE NO ISSUES USING THE 99.99% of SCIENCE DAILY while DENYING .01% of it! Pffffffffffffffftttttttttt Bwahahahahahahahaha
Just read Leviticus in its entirety and if you come out of that still thinking that book came from an all powerful all intelligent omniscient being, I've got some ice to sell you in Alaska.
@@jamesupton4996 lol! Well James, thanks for being respectful and not insulting me like 90% of the atheists have, if you're even if a full blown atheist. Anyway, you're right, the book is dry and I found it not very interesting and to tell you the truth I never did like studying the OT much, I prefer the new. That said, that's not to say it's false in my view, I believe it's all Gods word. It's just that the OT is harder to understand and Leviticus is boring because this is where we get into all the laws being laid down and it goes on and on. But even so, I cannot find any reason to abandon my faith because of it, that's going too far and I see nothing in the OT to give me such reason. I do love Genesis though, but yes many books of the OT are boring.
@@voiceoftruth2646 Well, I'm a Catholic, and I find the whole Bible fascinating. Leviticus is a kind of manual of Temple Worship. It's of its time and place, but does show Israel's relationship with God. That's how we should read it. Given that the Old Testament was the Scripture of the early church, I think it's necessary to be fairly well acquainted with it to understand the world of Paul and the Gospel writers, and begin to get to something of what they meant, as well as having an understanding of the wider Greek and Roman culture they thought in. The Bible was compiled over maybe a millennium, not counting the oral traditions that preceded the writing, and there is development of religious thought in it, and even in the NT - written, maybe over three generations of early Christianity. I think faith is enhanced by seeing the Bible as a process of organic growth through different milieus, with different cultural and philosophical pressures applying. Also the way the texts were edited, like in Genesis, the two different creation stories, both put side by side, though from different source traditions. In the end, you read the Bible book by book, and note different strands within the books, and try to understand them as best as possible within what scholarship shows, and the Church teaches doctrinally.
leaving religion gave me my whole life to do what i want with. i'm happier than ever. many many people are leaving their religions. the world is changing.
@@alexanderraymund2950 the aids epidemic. Bubonic plegue. England suffered about 20% dead. The total average was about 25% of the whole world, as evidence indicates plague deaths in sub-Saharan Africa, India, and the Orient. As much as 66% of Europe and Asia succumbed. Approximately 100,000,000 people died in 4 years. Small pox. Chinese famine in the late 50's. 45 million dead. Pol Pot had over 2.5 million of his own people killed in Cambodia. Thats 21% of the population in Cambodia dead. WW1 65 million dead. Holodomor is the Ukrainian word for “killing by hunger.” It is now the proper term for Josef Stalin’s forced starvation genocide against the Ukraine from 1932 to 1933. Almost 5 million starved to death. Aids was a religious thing. . . ohhh wait. Well the black plague was . . ohh nope. Wrong again. Small pox for sure was caused by people believing in God....what? Nope. Ww1 was all about Religon! Nope!! The immediate cause of World War I that made the aforementioned items come into play (alliances, imperialism, militarism, nationalism) was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary. ... When Russia began to mobilize due to its alliance with Serbia, Germany declared war on Russia. Yes, people have done some stupid things in the name of religion. But to be so bold as to say its one of the worst things to happen to humanity? I wonder what the people who where starved to death would say to that, or the ones to die of small pox or black plague or Aids. I remember a time when people used to think before they spoke. R.I.P common sense.
Thank you Mr. Jillette. My sister married an amazing black man and as a biracial couple gave the church another chance. They tried a few churches and found one that they liked and attended for a few weeks, then one day the pastor came to their house unannounced, and explained that their church was not for them. Needless to say, this was the turning point for them of what and who religion really is, a radical group of hypocrites. We were also taught that Santa & the Easter Bunny were real all in the name of making religion fun for the youth, and now that you've grown, you still don't believe in Santa delivered all those present in one night, do you? I never got anything, fuck Santa and the bunny too.
Dave Scott Well technically he was right! I remember one Christmas, Santa came to my room and...wait, he said it was our little secret. That's just between me, him and my psychiatrist...
Holidays have nothing to do with religion. Christmas came from Romans. 12 days of Christmas was when Roman courts shut down, men raped and pillaged in a drunken "holiday" to appease evil spirits.
I am an atheist…period. Having said that I read the primary text of the Bible, Koran and Torah as well as secondary texts about them. I think as a student of Western Literature it is foundational to understand the Bible, references etc…because it will come up constantly from reading Don Quixote, Steinbeck, Salinger…I see the religious texts as an open door to the mindset of peoples of a given era. When the writings of Aquinas or Augustine are referenced I want to know at least an idea of what is being referenced.
I wondered what happened to this "idiot" then? He surely was completely ignorant to read and follow the Bible and then create art from it, don't you agree? -- "I am a Christian and in fact a Roman Catholic.....the Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work." -JRR Tolkien, Author of the Lord of The Rings and The Hobbit
Eternity With Christ Being an atheist has nothing to do with wanting to sin, I'm an atheist and I am a very nice person who helps out in the community and has never hurt a fly. You know WHY I do that? Because I am actually nice, not because I'm afraid I'll burn in hell if I don't. If the only reason you're being nice/don't sin is because you're afraid of god, then you are not really a nice person. So you can keep that hypocritical moral superiority and stick it where the sun don't shine.
I was a christian until I was almost 33 years old. I had read the bible cover to cover twice as a teenager in a christian boys home, but since I had already been brainwashed into believing it was infallible I didnt think to question things I was taught growing up, but when I was 33 I decided to reread it on my own with an open mind after rejecting the baptist denomination because thier doctrine of salvation was in conflict of much of the new testament, so I set out to reread the entire new testament with the intention of letting god help me interpret it correctly, and by the end of james chapter 2 I realized I had been decieved all my life and the bible contained purely manmade fiction because of the nonstop contradictions that no god would approve of, and since I already rejected any other religion I became athiest and this last year and a half I was so right in making this decision.. so yes, rereading the bible with an open mind turned me athiest.
1) Did you find Christmas, Fat Tuesday/lent or Easter in the Bible? (no Passover is not Easter- unless you are into sex and baby killing) 2) Tell me where does it say you should go to Church on Sunday? (its obviously not) 3) Is it ok for me to bring a six pack of Sam Adams to a Church Picnic or perhaps some Jack Daniels? (yes) 4) How long should I wait after I accept Christ to be Baptized? (immediately) 5) Oh is confirmation in the Bible? Probably not the way you did it. 6) If I am a Buddist and seek God but never accept Jesus as my Savior can I get in to heaven? (yes and Jesus tells you this) 7) If I am a homosexual and tell others it is ok might I still get into heaven or if I commit any sin and tell others it is ok to commit that same sin can I get into heaven (if you have read the bible you know you can - Jesus said so try that on your Baptists.) I have read the Bible too many times- and spent months perhaps without opening it- I go to a Bible Study and they tell me I am going down a rabbit hole with what I want to talk about- I used to attend a real Bible Study and we were always in the rabbit hole and never wanted to leave. Keep reading the Bible and questioning God and those dumbass baptists- Good Ole KJV Dueteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Bruce Cook I’m afraid you’ve allowed yourself to be brainwashed into becoming an atheist. Only internet atheists who have been indoctrinated say the things you just said. For example, you make a claim that the “bible is full of contradictions” but you don’t provide any evidence to support the claim. Are you talking about the gospels description of the resurrection? Yes, there are minor details that are different in the various accounts but how is that a bad thing? Wouldn’t that strengthen your faith in God even more since that is a sign of its authenticity? You say that you read the bible with an “open mind” but that doesn’t seem to be the case, at all. It looks like you were looking for anything to persuade you into thinking religion isn’t rational. Think about it, if there are minor differences in the gospel accounts that means they are authentic because if the accounts were the exact same, that would be evidence of collusion or a conspiracy. It’s the fact that there are minor contradictions but the eye witnesses all agree that the major event took place which make the testimony credible in the first place. So the thing that you thought was leading away from faith is actually a reason to believe in God. This happens often with atheists, they make objections but those objections are actually evidence for God and not the other way around. My advice is to read the New Testament a third time without any preconceived notions. I was once a brainwashed atheist until I realized that I was allowing myself to be swayed by the “in group” and it wasn’t until I realized how inconsistent the atheistic/materialist worldview is with reality, that I sought out the truth in God. I can only speak from my experience but atheism is not a rational position nor is it scientific. The sad truth is, people reject God out of anger (emotion) and not using their minds (reason). It’s much easier to worship yourself than serve God. So while I understand the urge to deny God and say religion is “bs” the reality is that living a life of self induced ignorance has consequences.
Paul Barrett This is a common talking point among internet atheists but it’s not true. You’ve simple asserted that we are all born atheists but why would anyone believe that? To be an atheist you have to believe there is no God and no one can say that we are all born with that perspective. I can turn around and say we are all born believing in God because we have an understanding of right and wrong written in our hearts by God which is what scripture says. This argument that “we are all born atheists is not very convincing”. Secondly, atheists are not immune from being “brainwashed”. If anything it’s easy to become brainwashed into denying the existence God because of the agenda of the mainstream media and even a significant portion of the scientific community who wan to push their philosophy of naturalism on others.
@@3438-e9z My point is that no child is born with an inherent belief in a supernatural being- this has to be, as it usually is, indoctrinated by the parents or whoever. Thus, there is no such thing as a catholic child, but merely a child of catholic parents, and no such thing as a muslim child, but only the child of muslim parents etc. And what is this ' agenda of the mainstream'? Who are these conspirators? Do you mean scientists? Astronomers? Geologists? Physicists perhaps?
I read the bible cover to cover. I read the Koran cover to cover. I read the Torah cover to cover. I even read Dawkins God Delusion cover to cover and I am still a Christian.
Which form of baseless superstition do you believe? If I were going to return to theism, on my second go I would worship John Frum and Joe Navy of the Cargo Cults. They're no more ridiculous than any other imaginary gods.
As a kid, I took my bible readings very seriously and critiqued it as a book of facts. I saw the obvious inconsistencies but even the old testament didn't convince me that the Bible was bogus. As I grew up I began to take a lot of interest in subjects like History, Science, Philosophy, and Politics. As I became more aware of how cruel people have been to each other since history began up to the cruelty of the present, I realized just how useless religion is. No amount of prayer or God worshiping can save a society from the superior military of it's enemies. Besides a bit of occasional good or bad luck, people live and die by the merit of their actions.
You said "Besides a bit of occasional good or bad luck, people live and die by the merit of their actions." I do not agree. I think good or bad luck has too much to do with how people live and die. For example if you are born a boy or girl, born in rich family or poor, born with certain health diseases/health risks, born during time of slavery, war, famine, etc. You have no say. Pure luck. And it really really has an impact on your life and death.
I packed Christianity in by the time I was 14 years old. I read about 1/2 of the Old Testament and stopped. I couldn't reconcile what I was reading. It was a horror show. I then read the New Testament, but I jumped all over the place. Eventually, I read enough to confirm my understanding. I concluded the Bible was an extremely long and detailed script to a horror movie. It was fantastical and unbelievable. Do not let anybody who claims to be a pastor, priest, or bible teacher decode the passages in this book. Read it yourself. If you can read this book, you are smart enough to arrive at the point where you will know it is patently insane.
I found an error in the title: _reading the Bible (or the Koran, or the Torah) will make you an atheist_ It should read: _reading as an atheist unlikely change your worldview_
Petar Stamenkovic hes not interpreting anything. Hes telling us how he came to believe Atheism. He never specified that he was an atheist before he began to see the contradictions in the bible. And he became an atheist by reading the bible and seeing the falicy in it
Alby DeMoss And you're free to believe him that's how it happened. You're not born as an atheist or a Christian. You're born merely believing in God because belief is the default state of the mind. Later on, you may choose to name him or reject him, like Penn here did. He has clearly rejected the belief and has read the Bible in such a way to make it fit with his assumptions. Contradictions in the Bible are most often just contradictions in your mind- of what is true with what you assume to be true.
***** Here, have a listen to Michael Shermer explain why the belief is the default state of human mind: www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html
i am 60 yrs young at 30/31 my thought was is this all life is about. work hard 60 plus hrs a wk, play hard, get high (drugs, liquor, party etc) self employed good money etc. i still was unhappy empty inside, plenty friends, plenty money anyways empty inside etc, for what ever reason Jesus Christ filled the void in my soul (peace beyond ex planning) i can't explain it all nor understand it all BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS (IT IS REAL) i would rather believe and be called crazy than not believe and be foolish
My path to atheism involved reading the Christian bible several times cover-to-cover. I wasn't looking to "become" an atheist, perhaps that's why it took me several tries :)
If God does not exist and you are an atheist, big deal, nothing lost and nothing gained but if there is a god and you are an atheist, God will respect your choice and will neither protect you nor give you His Blessings. In my opinion only a lost soul would then choose to be an atheist, sorry. Good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 I disagree. The bible jus5 doesn’t make sense. And if God was all powerful then why doesn’t he just come down to Earth and prove that he exists
@@maxymaxy32 The reason that you are here is to prove yourself to Him, not the other way around. We fell here from Heaven. How are you doing so far, making demands of God instead of just being good, what's so bad?
@@maxymaxy32 He has but man in its fallen state fell away as soon as he left. There were even people who rebelled against God while he was with us. So it is he left us his word for you to believe or not.
If God does not exist and you are an atheist, big deal, nothing lost and nothing gained but if there is a god and you are an atheist, God will respect your choice and will neither protect you nor give you His Blessings. In my opinion only a lost soul would then choose to be an atheist, sorry. Good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 you demonstrate a typically delusional train of thoughts. IF you would deeper look in to the issues, you would notice that there were and still are countless gods worshipped by people like you all over the world,so your god is not so exceptional, neither is your expectation of blessings from this figment of your imagination.
@@jeffforsythe9514 - And if Joe Navy doesn't exist, you won't get any free cargo. How did you exist for 71 years without ever reading any of the debunkings of Pascal's Wager? How did you exist for 71 years without even learning the name of the fallacious argument you trot out for God? Do you think everyone you hit with that argument is as willfully ignorant as you are? After Pascal wrote his wager centuries ago, countless philosophers have had a go at it. You should review the long history of how that played out, instead of pretending you have some shocking new truth.
Religious people : my religion is doing well and that's one reason why it's true. Also religious people in the same breath : my religion is also being persecuted and that's one reason why it's true. Make up your damn minds which is it?
Both are mainstays in reality. Some people who a few years ago tried to have me murdered are today trying to be my friend claiming I'm not being nice to then by refusing their friendship. They're all just so f'cking *broken up* over my persecution of them.
Like he says, when someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda. We (including myself) should do ourselves and everyone a favour and read the Bible before judging Christianity, read the Koran before judging Islam...etc. If we just accept atheism because it seems rational at surface value and close our minds to further exploration, aren't we actually being irrational? Isn't this how prejudices are born? (I'm not saying atheism is irrational - far from it. Just trying to point out the value in doing our own investigation into both camps to allow ourselves to make a rational decision on which seems right)
That's why I did! Since my faith in Jesus started from spiritual experiences, I decided to research and educate my self to be able to explain the reasons for my faith to unbelievers and the more I studied history, philosophy and science the stronger my faith has become.
Well, you have Money right? So if you have, go in a bookstore and buy those two books. When you're done reading them we'll talk about it. Spoiler alert: You'll be disappointed for what you'll found
It was true for me too! I loved God and Jesus and was devout in my faith and worship- until I committed myself to really read and study the Bible for myself. What I discovered shook me to my roots! I left the church, but continued to read all I could from just about every source I could lay my hands on, for, and against - just so I could be as Sure as I possibly could be. And of course, I never stopped praying and talking to them! I couldn't easily let go of my desire for what I imagined to be the real God, (rather than what was represented as him in the Bible), and His son Jesus to be true. Then I hit snags regarding Jesus, who proclaimed the god of the Bible to be his father - that certainly jarred! But the more I went on, the more painful truths as to his validity came to my attention. In fact, it took me a great many years to finally accept that it was all nothing more than a big fat deliberate lie! I had so loved and believed in them, and never stopped living my life wanting to believe in them and follow them. But no. In the end, I simply had to stop wasting my life, trying to believe. There was no god. There was no Jesus. They were man made myths devised to control the masses. They didn't care about us, because they couldn't- because they were simply a construct! It wasn't easy becoming an atheist - not for someone that believed so strongly in God and Jesus and the angels, and heaven and hell and so scarily, even the devil too, but I looked at everything, until it became undeniable to me. There is good and there is evil. It's measures according to each person. There are no supernatural beings. If there is anything beyond death, then it belongs there, not here, with us now, but if there is, it has nothing to do with any faith on earth, as, in order to discover the truth, I looked everywhere! Just wicked lies, by wicked people!, Perpetuated by those that listen and believe the liars! I feel as though I have wasted virtually a life-time living my life according to these 'stories' , but can at least comfort myself in the knowledge that I am now free - and It hasn't stopped me from being a decent person, in fact, there are many that profess faith that are far from that, for them the faith is nothing more than a means to an end! Glad I'm out!
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Hi dear Kind Hearted Person, you have way too many necessitating antecedents. This causes you to be "atheist" - that will cause you to be "atheist," "I'm an atheist all the time, I lack belief of gods all the time, "we're all born atheists" "You're making the claim at least one deity exists" makes you "atheist." Can you open the door of your fridge and not become an "atheist"? Really, this silly juvenile little bastard for the last two days has been telling me "God can't exist because men need space suits to survive in outer space." "Read the Bible and you'll be atheist." No, when your side reads holy texts you become sanctimonious, sermonizing, pin headed, self rightous, *religious HYPOCRITES!*
Hello, sir, I dont think you mentioned the Koran in the video as you did in the title, Koran has absolutely no contradictions and every human who seeks for the truth knows it.. You just need to look and read and investigate things simply as you did for the Bible, you know many scientific facts that have been found about recently, they were mentioned in the Koran 1400 years ago, and Im saying it again just look for any contradictions, put teams aside and seek for the truth, like seriously seek for the truth and not just like being on the winning "team"' , and Im sure that would lead you directly to the fact that the Koran wasnt written by humans, unless you dont want to know the truth, you cant hide from it, neither you can hide it..
Ahmad : I only believe in god only and only if the same physical laws that affect me affect him .. what about that!!
@@Juka161 You're begging the question that God is physical. IF all things are material then God does not exist.
lahore2vancouver bruhh, fastest thing we discovered is light, that doesnt mean it is the fastest thing, sometime ago ppl didnt even know about radiations because they couldnt see them, but with the development of science they figuered it out later, now if u really think that science has found out about everything then ur really mistaken sir.. every scientist wouls say that light is the fastest thing "discovered", thats for the "flying horse" about everything else your 1000 yr and 50 thousand yr cont. the 50 thousand was a likening.. . Sir with everything u said and everything u still think about, we both know that Quran is 1400+ yrs old, now how can u not see that the scientific facts in it could not have been discovered then unless the god who created them who knew about them told about them ?? Explain that .....
"I would rather have questions that cannot be answered, than answers that cannot be questioned."
-Feynman
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That just sound silly.
@Kieran ! You will one day will he held to account for every time you take God's name in vain.You think God is an alien?You fool!
@Kieran ! Calling the Almighty God an Alien Warlord is showing God disrespect.You like many other have no Fear of God.What Ian saying is one day you will regret slandering his name.And you will hear God.
Kieran ! Couldn’t agree more it’s kinda crazy seeing people not only believe but WORSHIP nothing... they are wasting so much of the short time we have to live
Told my minister I was depressed. My minister told me to read the Bible more, or different parts of the scripture. I read it all, cover to cover and turned atheist. Im not depressed anymore 👍
Its all that we have Lindsey. Your minister isnt a special character among us, Jesus tore the veil so go to our Father. He can get us through anything and indeed what do we have without Him? Do we want God? He is our perfect Love. He is our Creator. He is our Closest. He is our Rock. He wants you. The understanding is there if you want it Lindsey. Also, if you want you can reach out to me
Gotta love how instead of trying to help he gave you homework isn't religion great
Good job... I feel religion is nothing more then a source of power by turning weak minded ppl into sheep. Every church I've ever been too has been hypocritical ...saying give us money and give to the poor...as the preacher drives a friggin 75000 bmw . Not to mention the 100000000 dollar "super churches" and that's not a hyperbole. You don't need a god to be a good person. All you need is a brain and an internal moral code
@@instrumentalbar7584 can you prove it?
@@instrumentalbar7584 God is not real.
That's golden..."when someone's trying to interpret something for you, there is always an agenda"
@Ad Lockhorst Umm, did you watch this video?
One of the critical points Penn began with was his pastor encouraging critical thinking about the bible and his faith.
Oh, and you could also say that any time someone says something to you there is an agenda.
It's certainly worth remembering that someone interpreting information for you is filtering through their bias at the very least.
Part of learning how to communicate is figuring how to judge the character and biases of the other person, and granting their words the appropriate weight
@@jesusdiazzz6369
1: who said he killed his son?
2: Homosexuality is not a mental illness. I'd be more inclined to assign homophobia under the mental illness category. If sinning caused homosexuality, most of the human race would be gay. Also how can animals be gay if it's only caused by sinning?
I have never understood the vitriol some people have regarding homosexuality. To my knowledge, the bible doesn't once directly condemn homosexuality. Sure homosexuals can't have children as easily, but how bad is that really? I think we have enough people on this planet to compensate easily.
4: Thou shall not kill sure seems to get pretty ambiguous for what doesn't seem like it should be so complicated
5: If God is so secure why did he create mankind the crowning achievement of this Universe for the primary purpose of praising him?
6: Absolutely agree, I think it's bizarre how many people think they can fully grasp God's nature. People that claim to know exactly what God is and wants are people I avoid.
9: I don't believe keeping religious activities separate from government function is persecution or even bad. How would you feel if your child's school had organised prayers to Allah every morning?
The Christian refugees that helped found our nation sadly didn't seem to be great folks, and they became refugees because many people didn't want them around not because they were Christian but because they were downright unpleasant people.
Personally I think persecution by outsiders is the least of the worries for the Christian church. I'm far more concerned with things like hypocritical churches that revel in greed and sin and try to cloak it in evangelism. Or churches that focus on hate and judgement instead of serving God's will. I have never been comfortable with televangelists full of hubris and greed telling poor people to give them more money so they can buy lavish mansions and private jets.
I know churches are filled with people both good and bad, but when an entire church thoroughly embraces behavior completely against the teachings of their own savior, the bile rises. The evangelical prosperity gospel churches make me particularly angry.
I don't hate Christians, I just wish more of them followed Jesus teachings.
@@jesusdiazzz6369 I can see there are many things we will likely never agree on.
You say "Homosexuality is a mental illness because we are not naturally made to be attracted to men but to women."
The very definition of homosexuality is a person that is naturally attracted to the same sex.
If you want to consider homosexuality a sin that would be your choice.
If you want to persecute people who are homosexual, I would take great exception to such uncivilized behavior.
You say "God calls it an abomination".
Are you one of those folks that hears God's words directly, or is this another second or third hand account of God's word.
It's sure not evident in the bible, so from where did those words of God arise?
If you or people you love want to pray every every day in school or wherever, more power to you. My issue is with governmental sanctioned religious events.
It is the purview of the church to evangelize not our government.
Governmental employees are forbidden to lead in religious activities in part to protect religions from governmental interference.
Personally I think churches tend to go astray when they try to wield too much worldly power. The true word of God should stand under it's own power without any hint of intimidation threat or pressure.
@@stevewebber707 1.) You are wrong because people are not naturally gay but adapt it through sin. They were not naturally attracted to men since there is people who where not gay but later became gay.
www.google.com/search?q=homosexually&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS800US800&oq=homosexually+&aqs=chrome..69i57.4536j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Read the definition is does not say naturally. Homosexuality means that you like guys or same sex.
I do not hear God since I am still not saved but I here to inform you.
Churches should not wield on governmental power but the power of God.
@Feiner Fug Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate the knowledge.
Though I can't say reading the chapters inspires me to follow those rules to the letter.... Death penalty for adultery seems a bit too harsh to me.
I probably write too much in these forums, but I have time on my hands, and I occasionally do learn a new thing here and there ;)
I spent my childhood going to church and waiting to understand why everyone believed in God. At 17, I stopped going to church. In my 20s, I read the entire Bible to try and figure it out once and for all. Nothing. The older I get the more of an atheist I become. I mostly keep quiet about it. No reason to upset Mom.
In your effort to not upset your mom, you might very well end up distancing yourself from her, which might be *more* upsetting, especially if she doesn’t know the source of the distance. Just as plenty of moms have learned to love their gay and trans children, mom’s can learn to love their atheist children. In my own experience, the seeds of atheism had already been sown for my mom, and by discussing my atheism with her openly and without reservations not only did we develop a closer, more fulfilling relationship but she came to understand and accept her own atheism.
@@jpe1 It may not be as emotionally healthy, but trust me, keeping quiet is my best option.
@@daffodilunderhill7066 I trust you, and wish you the best! Hopefully things work out.
I find it hard as a man who’s lost faith to not tell the curious little children I know that God isn’t real, I choose to allow anyone who wishes to continue in innocent ignorance
@@daffodilunderhill7066 just as the religious congregate and support each other, so too can the faithless. All religion does is give people something greater than themselves to be a part of and look forward to. We can find a sense of self purpose in life even more so than others because we aren’t clinging to some hope of the afterlife, let your determination be to make the most of this one. May you love and be loved always
"When someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda."
You mean like atheists do?
tsc 701 nah he was talking about ur pastors
@@paulberent1896 too bad I'm agnostic. You guys are worse than secular people
tsc 701 same dude
tsc 701 not a atheist but also not a man blinded by faith
What's funny is that him being asked to leave happened to me when I was 9. My mother was asked to not bring me to Sunday School because I asked to many questions and caused too much trouble as a result. LOL
Well, Christians do fear critical thinking.
Tony Tony Chopper No, we do'nt
Robert Leather Been there, man, you're not alone in that group. My mom was so embarrassed with the priest and scolded me all the way to our house while asking why I had to ask so much. That I was there to learn and that I should know to shut my mouth and accept was the priest was saying. I just looked at her and said; "WHAT?! Are you insane?!"
Joseph Bolton Love the irony of the use of the word "preachy" there. Plus your implied assumption I was disruptive and disrespectful is misguided at best and downright patronising at worse.
Joseph Bolton Plus I've spoken on a higher level later in life with priests and at no point did they attempt to justify their beliefs as anything more than faith based upon stories intended to inspire rather than necessarily being totally accurate. It's when you hear people say the Earth is 6000 years old and that people and dinosaurs were cohabitees, that's where I draw the line. That and trying to dictate terms of dogma onto other people. I find it funny how evangelicals condemn Islam's rules while preaching of the sins of homosexuality.
"Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure" - George Carlin (a very simple man).
Yes, confirmation bias can be deadly.
Never heard that one before... love it.
In various gods* And the vast majority of those myths are mutually exclusive.
Cagatay Ocals "I don't claim to know everything thing"
Atheist(most) don't claim to know there is no god but instead it is a personal belief that you don't believe in God. It is like this as an Atheist I would say "their could be in fact a God I just don't believe one exists because no evidence has ever shown to prove a God". Until God's existence has been proven I won't believe in it. By saying this I'm not saying that a god doesn't exist. I don't like the ways agnostic think because it doesn't require critical thinking but instead when someone asks you something you just say "no comment". When someone asks you if unicorns exist you *should* say "no I don't because no evidence has ever been found, but that doesn't mean that unicorns can't exist" but instead an agnostic would just say "maybe".
You should accept things that have evidence and reject things until there is evidence but agnostics don't do this and that's why I say there critical thinking skill are lacking.
Cagatay Ocal Because there is direct evidence against any possible deity being loveable or merciful. Disease, natural disasters, genetic defects, the fact that the vast majority of water is basically poisonous.
What religious people don't understand is that they can do whatever they want as well. Being a religious person or an atheist doesn't restrict your actions beyond what you decide should be restricted. You're way of thinking is akin to saying that murders don't happen because prison is a punishment.
Science has been providing evidence for god's non-existence for a LONG time. There's a reason that back in the day, god was responsible for damn near everything, and now has been reduced to 'what created the universe' and such. If we found out the cause of existence tomorrow, people would simply insert god into the next mystery.
Also, generally atheists will claim that there is no god in reference to the personal god as the very idea is asinine when subjected to scrutiny. As for a creator of some sort, nobody should assert anything.
Penn was my inspiration when I became an atheist at 16. I was afraid what my family would think because literally my whole family were Christians. Eventually I told them and they were supportive to my pleasant surprise. It felt like a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders. Love you, Penn & Teller.
Right, so now you feel free to commit all the sins you want without consequences.
@@ralphlitton8521 No, because I have common sense to not do bad things.
@@ralphlitton8521 Even if we believed that we are free to commit all the "sins" we want without consequences, that doesn't mean that we actually WANT to commit any "sin" at all.
In the end, maybe we have more "faith" in humanity than you.
I read Harry Potter cover to cover and now I am a wizard!
I knew a wizard once, he turned me into a newt
Don't look at me like that! I got better :P
God if only it worked like that!
You're a wizard Harry
shouldn't the logic be: I read Harry Potter cover to cover and now I am NOT a wizard!? xD
MadGameCowe The rest of this person's implied comment is /s (aka sarcasm intended).
"Oh, that's the Old Testament. It doesn't count anymore."
Still seems to matter to the Creationists. You can't start out with Jesus, just because it's the only part you're comfortable with.
Karl Addis of course it counts. It is how we know Jesus is who he claimed to be. Jesus said the Pslams and Prophets wrote about his coming. The OT is essential. I wouldn’t have giving my life to Jesus if I didn’t have the OT to look back on. In fact the apostles referred to the OT to make sense of it all. Shalom
@@onestepaway3232 How do you reconcile the endorsements of slavery, gang rape, genocide and brutality of the God of the Old Testament with the belief he is a loving God after Jesus arrived?
@@logan7243 There are no "endorsements" of any of those things. There's the acknowledgement that they happen, and historical record keeping of such, but it doesn't tell followers to "Go take slaves and rape them," or anything of the like.
@@logan7243 lols.. What a dumbass🤔
Two things made me into an atheist. Number one was reading all of the Old Testament. It alone didn't make me a confirmed atheist, but I pulled back from religion and began to question everything about it. Secondly, and this is what sealed the deal: I was stationed in the Army in Frankfurt, Germany, and since my own father was German, I began to read true accounts of survivors of the death camps. I couldn't stop reading them! If it was fiction, I never would've bothered, but somehow I thought I owed it to all these victims, Jew and Gentile, to read how they suffered and died. But the final nail in the coffin was when I read that some babies and toddlers didn't die from the gassing and yet were thrown alive into the raging furnaces. Where was God? Why didn't he do something? If he cared, but didn't have the power to stop it, then he wasn't much of a god. If he had the power, but just didn't care, then he was evil. The only excuse for God that I saw was that he simply didn't exist.
Now I'm an agnostic-atheist. I'm agnostic about the possibility of a higher being or force in the universe. but definitely atheist in regards to the Abrahamic God of Jews, Christians and Muslims.
I totally agree. If there was a god, why would he let innocent babies and children die in gas chambers during world war 2?? It makes me sick
blah Gomez LOL wow are you stupid
How does it make me stupid that a God would let all of this happen to his children
hawklord2001 So much this... and somethng about god working in mysterious ways.
Ever since the fall, mankind has done horrendous things and mankind continues to rebel against God. Just because God lets humanity do certain things, it doesn't mean he approves of them. God is all-knowing and gave humanity a chance through Jesus Christ. Please pray man for what God has blessed you with and may continue blessing you with. Faith in God is the first step.
I blame, or rather thank, my love of science-fiction, especially old school ‘hard” Sci-fi, for my conversion to atheism. This happened around the age of 12 and at the time I attended Sunday school, church services, youth of the church, the whole 9 yards. I purposely decided to read the Bible in its entirety and that, more than anything, is what cemented my loss of faith. I have no regrets at all.
Well said man, Christians always say that if you read the Bible than you will regain faith in god, but people who say that have never read the Bible themselves and have just been told all the good about it but has never been told about all the f*cked up things about.
I'm sorry you didn't have good Bible teachers and believers that helped you to experience Jesus, Holy Spirit and God's glory, I have read the Bible 4 times and the more I read it and the more study history and philosophy finding answers the stronger my faith has become. I was able to understand why God doesn't stop evil, why bad things happen to good people, finding with those answers forgiveness, compassion, and true peace. It is only when I focus my eyes in only human bad behaviour when I can become depressed, then I look at Jesus and I find hope for humanity and again love, compassion, forgiveness and spiritual peace. Humanity has tried to live without God until now, not achieving complete peace, love and harmony, all efforts to achieve these have been futile as history continues to be written. I'm absolutely sure that achieving these altruistic goals will never be possible without humanity accepting Jesus in their hearts.
Of course many cultures before and even after Jesus have had and still altruistic moral values. I didn't say the opposite. Still, Jesus has been the only man that have claimed to be God, performed miracles, died and resurrected. If you study history there is enough proof of these facts, not to mention that there are still people being martyred for believing in Him.
@@luzdivina2706 So you saw his miracles first hand? Did you manage to get a selfie on your phone with him? I see no proof of what the bible claims and anybody can become a martyr if they are stupid enough. Religion in general is responsible for more and bloodier war than anything else in history.... FULL STOP
@@paulstrahan4670 men are responsible for making religion evil, no all of them, it starts with hate, even just hateful speech like yours. Because of Jesus I forgive you for making fun of my faith. The Bible says True and undefiled religion is to help orphans and widows on their need.
"The road to atheism is littered with Bibles that have been read cover to cover." - Andrew L. Seidel
it's not the reading it's the act of doing.This world is so full of fools.
@@allangrant6349 Huh?
Very intelligent statement
It's more correct to say it's littered with ineffective application of the books that have been read cover-to-cover. They were read, but never applied.
Whether by starry-eyed initiates or jaded adherents thinking their salvation is in condemning others.
See @Lycanite's response below about reading Harry Potter. Or perhaps try reading a Kung Fu manual and see if it makes you a martial artist capable of defending yourself against an enemy.
One day you will choke on your own tongue.Be very careful on what you say as every word and deed we do won't go unpunished.
'When someone tries to interpret something "for you", they ALWAYS have an agenda.'
mlg4035 Good or bad agenda?
This is an interpretation
There are those who can see the error in our thinking and wish to help us in our understanding. Isn't that what we had when we went to school? Yet, I do believe that for most of us, we wish to figure things out ourselves and reject the help that some try to give us. Our free will causes us to often learn the hard way. I do believe we each must learn to be discerning here. Most of us leave out the greatest element that allows us to discern as we were designed.
Interpretation means the action of explaining the meaning of something. Grow a brain bro and follow GOD
@@Unprofitable. Yes it does mean that, and the point is still valid. People coming to you trying to explain religion to you _obviously_ have an agenda. Now stop shoving your religion down people's throats, not cool
Thats a rule about cristianism: ask to many questions and you will be ask to leave.
There is a rule about every religion: ask questions they will ask you to leave, or they will kill you
Thats a rule about life . . .
Ask too many questions in:
Christianity
A Supermarket
A watch store
A gym
Your grandparents house . . .
and you'll be asked to leave.
_Christianism?_ LOL? Didn't.. didn't we have a name for Christianity already? The lengths...
+Nicholas, I left the church as a teenager. I don't have many questions for your average theist, anymore. What are your questions for atheists?
in Islam you ll be killed ...
Don't ask too many questions. Because you'll expose them.
Narek Avetisyan nice one
@@hangedman821 no u
The irony..
@FLOWER Facts. Why can't people understand that concept?!?!
@El-Khalifa El-Hamdi Not all atheists care about evolution, etc. Also, atheism is merely the lack of belief in a God. That's it. Just because we don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is automatically your particular god.
When I was six I was sent to sunday school. We were told the biblical stories. Then we got to Cain and Abel. One killed the other and was banished to Nod, where "he took himself a wife." I pondered on that. So far, there were only four people on Earth. Adam, Eve and their two sons. So where did this wife come from? I asked. I was told to sit down and be quiet.
At that point, I stopped listening. Never looked back...
I still wondered about that.
Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. A lot actually, it just doesn’t name out each of them. But in Genesis 5, when it goes into the genealogies of Adam, it says that he had other sons and daughters. So essentially Cain probably married one of his sisters, or one of his siblings’s offspring.
Fair Question though
One of the first commands of God was “go forth and multiply” So you can assume thats what they did, spread across the earth and have children
Evan Pete Sounds like a lot of incest
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." - Mark Twain
Derek Slade Christianity isn’t in the Bible but Christian is
The best cure for Islam is reading the Koran.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@@Seekthetruth3000 the best cure for you is a condom
@@jceqecsxus2456 LOL
@Barthelemy Lazerlips - That's.......kind of an oxymoron and a contradiction all rolled into one, but Okay! If nobody understands the Bible, then we have no reason to invest any attention into it, right? Thanks for that.
Oooh the bible. The book where Moses takes the ten comandments including "thou shalt not kill" and 10 minutes later kills 3.000 israelites because they made a golden ox. And god was pleased.
Yeah,i remember the first time i read it cover to cover.
I felt like it was a bad joke,a prank. Like someone had replaced my book of god's love with a different book.
It was an interesting day that day...
Trying to read it as nothing more than a rule book results only in legalism.
Yeh, it's a pretty sad story, God just rescued them and then they completely shove it in his face, no one looks good in that story and I'm sorry that God's love looked so distant, but I don't think God forgot it. 3,000 lives lost on the day the manifestation of God as fire fell on Mt Sinai, but when God manifested himself as fire in the New Testament (Acts 2) 3,000 souls are saved... Interesting, or maybe, you know, it could just be a coincidence...
@@justinwright1745 But a Just God implies that he will bring Justice for wrongdoing, right? And is Hell punishment for people who don't want to be with God, or is it where they actually want to be? If people don't want to spend eternity with him, why would he force them to be in a place where he is eternally there?
@@jacobcashmore9508 So is God is clearly capricious as hell. He just sends them to hell and welp just changed it later. God is an idiot if he is all powerful and can't do better than this.
@@jacobcashmore9508 So he brings Justice to those wrongdoing huh? Like those millions of children who die before the age of five, or the ones that get molested? Did they deserve that. How is me not wanted to spend eternity on my knees with a God who isn't worthy of my respect deserving of eternity in torture. I'm all for paying for my wrongdoings, but there's no way what I do in 80 years is going to be worth eternity of punishment. That is the most ridiculously stupid story ever conceived.
this is the most intelligent and spot-on monologue i've ever heard anyone speak about the bible. i am NOT atheist, i am deeply spiritual and recently decided i wanted to read the bible with hopes of finding inspiration and understanding from direct experience. i finished genesis and am almost finished with exodus and every single thing penn says is what i feel, except for becoming atheist. reading the bible hasn't made me not believe in god, it's made me utterly disgusted that anyone would believe in THAT god, the god of the old testament. it's incredible that millions upon millions of people would fall into line like sheep and blindly adhere to such obvious patriarchal, homophobic, misogynist, controlling, fantatical bulls*&t. i thank GOD, truly, for my intelligence and ability to analyze. it's also unfortunate how many people deduce that because the old testament is such a load of crap that god must not be real. there are other options.
My own father who grew up in a Catholic household and went to Catholic school but who is now non-religious... He had no idea about the horror stories in the Bible. They really do just pick and choose the best stuff and ignore the horror parts like it was never written. He looked up some of the stuff I told him... And he was shocked that he never knew any of this and that his Catholic School just ignored it.
I've had people accuse me of lying when I've told them about the "not peace but a sword" quote.
Mounted Dragoon lol yeah. How about the one where the woman has to have her hand cut off for grabbing a dude's dick during a fight? That's a real Gem. They really just don't know their own stories.
I try to visualize that, it's just so bizarre.
Mounted Dragoon yep, and a perfect all-knowing All-Seeing all loving omniscient omnipotent creature decided to tell a dude to write that shit down.... Because you know... That is very important to know that women shouldn't grab dudes by the dick when they're fighting... Super important.
hahah jajaj im the devil God pride and wrath king king of the universe earth and hell im happy 4 u
I always questioned the rationale behind worshipping a god who was a selfish dictator that murdered innocent children and animals simply to display his power
@trueman mann what about god testing abraham to kill isaac
If people thought of God that way, then it would be irrational, but people don't think of God that way.
Jesus, man, get a clue.
charles Receski then u got it all wrong. Satan's pit is very hot.....sadly. U atheists ALWAYS ignore the evils of Satan. And ya always ignore the good of God!
Vaughn Aquino he never went all the way. Don't count
trueman show
My teacher said that doing bad things for good reasons is still bad.
An example she gave was, "Mark wrote out the answers to the test on his hand, although Mark has a good reason, it's still bad to cheat on a test." then I said, "So Mark can't cheat but God can kill?" I then followed with, "God flooded the Earth to kill all the living things on Earth, except Noah and the animals." "God had good intentions but what he did was still bad." then my teacher didn't acknowledge me anymore.
But who has the authority? People don't. God does because the universe is His.
@@eltigre249 Prove your god or shut the fuck up!
@@MrKit9 yeah tell that religtard!!whoooo!!!😎😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😈🔥🔥
@@eltigre249 yeah buddy that is still murder
A nonexistent god definitely has no authority over anything.
I go to a Christian School and think it is making me an atheist.
Ben Huba In 9th grade they made me question without realising it, by the end of that year I was an atheist
@@ashh8893 same this girl was giving a specch that god chose your path im like bruh your a human being you choose what you do god does not give a shit about you if anyone
Tell me why?
Alex Parrish Because logic and reasoning always beats blind faith
Jay N I never have had blind faith. That’s a complete lie atheist want you to believe. Tell me your top two points on why you don’t believe in god?
This is what confused me as a kid. "Thall shall not kill" then god tells David to aradicate a people. K
If that threw you for a loop you should check out Numbers 31. Pay attention to the part where 32 people are sacrificed as a part of the "heave offering" it's verses 40-41.
Bryan G. yep. Sacrificing people sounds like murder and killing. So this throws me off even more.
@Bryan G, why do you say that's a human sacrifice? The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 men given to the Levite tribe as tribute -- the word used was "mekhec", translated as "tribute" or "tax". (The Levites were the tribe of priests who didn't fight in Moses' wars, but who were still promised a portion of the spoils. Individual Levites were able to claim slaves for themselves as spoils of war, and the 32 you mentioned were given as a tribute to God and were retained by the tribe through Eleazar the high priest).
"...16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 31: 40-41)
If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right.
btw, the word is spelled "eradicate".
I said to check out the chapter Numbers 31 and pointed out the verses that said what was given to the priests.
You stated,"The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 *men* given to the Levite tribe as tribute" None of them were men... none. Numbers 31: 35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of *women* that had not known man by lying with him. "If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right." You see what you did there? Right??
"btw, the word is spelled "eradicate"."
I am guessing you were trying to take a jab at me but were so foaming at the mouth you didn't even realize I didn't say that. Is that correct?
If you want to understand my point of view a little more perhaps you should just check it out for yourself. I am not alone in this opinion and it it pretty easy to find online. Why defer to the "just go look it up for yourself"? You don't appear to be able keep track of what you yourself are saying, much less what I am. I do realize it is the equivalent of telling someone to go read the bible and to do some personal research themselves but I won't argue with someone who doesn't understand what they themselves are saying half the time. Best of luck to you.
@@DaveGIS123 BTW, if you're American, punctuation goes INSIDE quote marks, and inside the parenthesis if it contains a complete sentence.
The fact that this is such a great deal for people, both religious and atheists, speaks a lot about the USA... In most of the rest of the world (maybe i should say "Civilized world"), people dont give a fliying F about that. Like, seriously, zero F's given.
ComandanteJ I know. Here you admit to being one or the other someone's going to treat you like shit and claim to be better than you. I've traveled to a lot of religious and atheistic countries and they don't care. They love and accept you.
Exactly, just dont force your religion (or lack of) on anyone else
I remember going to Bible School and none of the Biblical teachings made a lick of sense to me; yet I realized I was a kid and since all the adults were taking it seriously, I just figured I was simply missing something. I was wrong. Religion actually is the horseshit I'd imagined it to be.
Fabulously accurate Pen!
Same here. forced into bible studies on the weekend till i was 13 then i had enough. This kid that was the same age as me would join in the study. 6 months later saw him skating by, i waved and said whats up. He rode past... thought he didnt hear me.
The second time he was walking, went to shake his hand and greet and he pertended like i was a ghost lol. fucking cults
Riff McClavin yep!
@@RA82828 I wouldn't say religious beliefs balance the population, I would say they create a crisis of possible overpopulation. Almost all the Christians say the same thing, "Be fruitful and multiply." The Christian coalition is responsible for stamping out possible safe sex practices such as condoms, Catholicism etc. If anything, religious ideologies breeds overpopulation, not a population balance.
Why do you think Mormons in general have such large families. I got sucked into it by having five children, paying tithes and giving up my time. Organized religion is the spawn of Satan. @@lordofthegremlins
Read the Bible when I was 14 cover to cover. Realized that religious leaders have severely misrepresented it which has more to do with Penn's atheism and his hatred for the Bible.
I was looking for this comment. Atheists intepreting literally the old testament word for word are just as bad as christians that do the same thing. They dont realize it but both are fanatics. The atheists are taking it to the the next level by replacing relegion with something else. The most common is science or nihilism and turn them into relegion.
@Shane Patrick The solution is simple. Every modern person must be able to wear multiple hats. That means that one must be able to have common sence and think with structured logic and critical thinking. Within everyone must exist a strict mathematical thinking alongside a spiritualness that represents everything that is unknown to the person. Without spiritualness we turn into cynics and cynicism turns into greed and today we are living its consequenses more than ever.
The bible and more specifically the old testament, which I assume you are refering to, carries deep knowledge and tradition of many thousands of years, even from the first civilizations of mesopotamia, which have passed the test of time. Even if you dont believe in god or disagree with them, you need to know those stories and understand them because they shaped the world as you know it. The new testament, at the very least, is a story of self sacrifice, a hard pill even for those that claim to believe in Jesus. Personally, the first time I read it for myself, it blew my mind and I completely disagree with you. Also, if you have the stomach, I suggest you read "The Brothers Karamazov". It will teach you more than anyone on the internet.
Penn just might find out the hard way, hope not.
@@-gearsgarage- The RC Church removed reincarnation from Christianity in the fourth century leaving everyone scratching their heads trying to understand why some of us are born crippled and poor and others healthy and rich. The Bible, religion and the Lord are three totally different things. My faith is in the Lord.
So they misinterpreted it but you didn’t?
I read my Quran fully and VOILA, left islam... Praise.... uh...... um..... The void!
Congrats. You are a born again rationalist.
Good for you Sir! :)
Appreciate it folks, I feel my I.Q building by the day!
Yeah right.. Tell me what part made you doubt it?
***** Maybe it was the part where it says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and his ribs.
I went to a religious school for 4 years in which we had bible study class twice a week. I'll never forget the first time I asked a question at that school. I was told I was no longer allowed to ask any more questions without the risk of being kicked out of the school and my parents not getting a refund. From that moment, I understood that religion isn't about truth. It's about money and control.
Ask me any question and I just might help you restore your curiosity.
You are not a child any more. Do not let a bunch of fearmongers stop you from seeking the Divine. Seek and ye shall find, good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 omg🙄
@@jeffforsythe9514I have a question 🙋
Would u want your raped child to marry the rapist bcz God says so 😌
I became an atheist by reading the bible too. I recommend that all Christians ACTUALLY read the bible. There is a difference between reading the bible and ACTUALLY reading the bible. The difference is one requires you to critically think.
Zzzzzz... It is scary as hell to think critically,safer to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy until parents tell you the truth and you are heart broken after that
Lol
We do that is why we are Christians. History has disproven this idea.
Religion forbids critical thinking tho sadly.
bulldogsbob do you read leviticus and deuteronomy regurarly? Or just the gospels?
Thank-you for that! I admire that even through all your doubts you still went diligently to Youth Group.
It’s been quite the opposite with my mother. She spent most of her life searching for something then around ten years ago became Evangelical Christian. I can’t take it - some of the things she says are so hurtful.
One example is around my son who has a seizure disorder. She tells me it’s demonic and that I need to find an exorcist. All her logic, compassion, and time for her grandchildren - gone.
She spends all her time alone with her Bible and that’s how she likes it.
Nicolle Olafson is it evangelical or evil Angelical.
You need to find another mother. Anyone who hurts their family because of religion isn't worth having around!
Look up Gene kim
@@MrKit9 We should honor our father and mothet no matter what.
Going to catholic school for elementary and middle school made me an atheist lol
Same. Makes it easier too haha
Thats like saying taking math lessons made You stop believing in math!( cus you didnt understand it or had a evil strickt teacher) Maby you should stop going to school and learn by yourself
So true LOL
I went to a catholic school, and seeing how much stupid shit they talked about there, I re-thought my concept of Christianity, and my faith grew stronger than ever, much stronger than those superstitious hypocrites.
Some people give up, others patiently look around for answers.
For real
Heh, yeah. I started studying Art History and as Christian art is very prevalent I decided to read the bible cover to cover. When I was done I was like: "What the fuck was that? How can ANYBODY subscribe to that?"
Bär Honigfeld Me too! I didn't consider myself a christian before reading the bible but still I held the book in some sort of reverence. Only three-four pages in, my mind was going "WTFWTFWTFWTF? There are people who take this seriously??". Took me three months to finish the whole thing.
Very very few people ever read it cover to cover. I think people tend to stick to a religion because of the culture heritage and tradition. We all have familial and social rituals, some stem from religion.
***** take your meds man... its going to be alright
So it's the latter, why have it? I don't understand when people are so expressive about being atheist, I understand for Muslims, Hindus, Christians etc because there's a cultural, social aspect to religion but you and I don't have atheist meetings in a nonreligious building to read from our mundane book and discus how we believe the universe was created (though I do like to think about that from time to time) so there's no real bond of seeing another atheist as there is for other religious beliefs
***** I've been to church and mosque many times and have only come across nice people. I don't deny dogma exists but to fight it with more dogma isn't going to solve anything ask Stalin
Being free of religiously-imposed guilt, fear, and prejudice toward so-called sinners has opened me up to that which can be truly divine, all-loving, wise and growth-orienting.
MARV congratulations ! I bet u felt truly free and limitless in that moment
Well you will divinely be judged by God according to the lies Satan has fed you and you chose it. Remember if you end up in Hell what I'm telling you. Jesus Christ is healing people today through His people, I have seen deaf ears opened, people in wheelchairs get up and start pushing them, and demons come out of people at the name of Jesus. What is this all about then stupid? Jesus is God. Try to dismiss the 300 spoken descriptions of who Jesus is and what He will do thousands of years before He came to earth and did it. You can't run from God you will end up in Hell.
He needs some dmt
@@scottwill6498 I would like to see these two talk, Penn and Howard Storm.
www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html
@Ninja TypesTooFast What's he doing? Saying convert or die?
Internet preaching isn't forceful. It's not like the pixels will make you convert.
There is solid proof of God, and there is enough proof of the Resurrection to put it beyond reasonable doubt.
I remember when I was researching arguments against religion when I was a Christian, pen and tellers bullshit episode on religion took a part in helping me realize things. I'll always appreciate penn and teller for that
Nice, getting your sources from comedians instead of theologians and philosophers is always a great idea 👍
@@benlee5039 nice one
@@benlee5039 Are you saying that their research is incorrect? If so please feel free to show me otherwise with factual information. Just because they are comedians doesn't mean they are not intelligent or informed.
@@paulstrahan4670 I never said that they were unintelligent or uninformed, I'm simply stating that getting religious information from comedians isn't as reliable as getting it from those who spend thousands of dollars to get a degree in religious studies. Im not going to go into the details of if God is real or not, because I can write a whole book on it and not change your mind on it, but looking at both sides of the argument is generally a good idea and not being biased.
@@benjaelee What's the difference in some of the information given when you compare common folk to religious enthusiasts and historians? If you see a discrepancy, that discrepancy may be wrong but that doesn't mean everything that person says is anyway. Check everything yourself.
Christians, explain this to me without muttering some vague avoidance about free will. God created me the way I am yes? (Even if not it still works) God is all knowing yes? So god knows completely why I don't believe in him and why I think his entire relligion is bullshit, and he created me as a person who requires solid evidence to devote my existence to an invisible sky daddy right? And he didn't provide the evidence I require to believe in him. Yet if I don't believe in him (and he completely understands why I don't because he is all knowing) he still forces me to burn in hell for all eternity? Wtf god.
I am a Christian and will try to give you an answer. May I start by stating these are very good questions! To paraphrase - I think you are asking Does God knowingly predestine people to Hell? As you've indicated - if he is 'all-knowing' then it definitely seems like the answer is Yes. But if I could nudge you to take it one step further and question why that is and what kind of God would allow that. I believe God finds no satisfaction in people going to Hell and that it actually devastates him.
Consider this. You have a child and you raised that child the best you can teaching him to be honest, safe and good in life. But later you see that child about to do something that you know is going to hurt him. You try to stop him but his pride overtakes and he ends up hurting himself. You saw it coming the whole time but ultimately - that child is in pain and now, so are you. I believe God interacts and feels this same way.
In this video, I think Penn is more focused on the old testament which as he states, has a lot of horrible stories. But if you look at the new testament and in particular, the words of Jesus, he explains why those things of the old testament happened and what it really means. The true Christian belief is that it devastates God to see people go to hell. It hurts him so much that he sent Jesus. I know this opens up many other questions like God’s omnipotent power, etc. Impossible to talk about it in a youtube comment but msg me if you want to chat.
The answer is that we choose hell rather than to trust in God. We chose to perish when we chose to sin and rebel against God. So in essence, when we sin we inherit the faith of the one who we forfeited the earth to (Satan) because we chose to do evil instead of choosing to trust in God and do good. He chose to give us a way out through faith (trusting in Him) which is where Adam failed in the Garden.
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Cavemantero We don't choose to go to hell, god sends us there. Imagine someone points a gun at you and tells you to give them your money, and you say no, so they shoot you, did they shoot you, or by your logic did you shoot yourself because you didn't fulfill their demands, god is the shooter if you don't worship him fulfilling his demands he shoots (sends you to hell) and yet people say we send ourselves there smh
*A Google Account* Well, I believe a closer analogy would be to see God as a father, a comparison that was briefly mentioned above. He tells you that you're living your life in a way that, while very likely satisfying and enjoyable for you, is ultimately not the best thing for you overall. Naturally, we humans have a tendency to vehemently oppose instructions that go against things we personally want to do or enjoy, resulting in a lot of pushback against God's presence in our lives. As a simplified version of the situation, we are told that we can either come home and be with him (through Jesus), or choose to be 'free/independent' from him. Important to note that this choice has to have been made before death. God's influence is permanently affecting the physical world, so we currently live in a place with the potential for both good and evil. However, once we pass on, it's either one way or the other. Now, for an atheist (or any non-Christian), naturally you wouldn't love God or Jesus, or even believe in them, so by default you'd choose to be away from Him. The only problem here is that good only exists in the presence of God. Because you've chosen independence from Him, He sends you to the only place that meets the requirement of being away from his presence, Hell. It's not a place of torture for torture's sake, it's just that being separated from God's influence of good, only evil can exist there. Of course, there is also the duality of God as both father AND judge, with Hell as both a person's desired place away from God as well as their punishment for sin, but that'd be further reading if you were interested.
I read the bible cover to cover from 16-17. By the time I was finished, I was an agnostic and soon thereafter, I was an atheist. About 10 years later, I dated a Christian. She begged me to go to church. I read the Bible again. After an open disputation with a very insecure preacher, I was asked to leave. I told them it was not a problem. I was an atheist and knew more than he. I read it one more time. CONFIRMED!!! I'm an atheist.
I had the absolute SAME experience !
Source: trust me bro
That's great....just remember because you don't understand doesn't mean it not true. The more I read the more I believe. An d the fact the preacher seemed or was insecure doesn't mean you know more about the Bible...if you REALLY knew.,,you'd KNOW Christ is the Living Son of God.
@@donnaporter9865 The more I read the less I believe. The Christian Bible is a joke. If you think that the one preacher was the impetus for me not believing, not true. That occurred 11 years after I stopped believing. If you weren't so deluded, you'd stop believing, you'd understand.
@@bigkaris912no need for a source dumb S😂
Mr. Jilette: I love your magic, I love your comedy, and now I love how you share profound personal experiences. Thank you for sharing, and doing so in your unique way. I look forward to more videos!
The ad before this video was for israel biblical studies
Shalom...my name is Aure
Mine was for a german beer brand where they said something like:
"At least something you can believe in"
Oddly fitting as well
@@schrodingerskatze6192 Brilliant! Love it! Cheers
What is Israel?
It's a tailored commercial for the viewer. That being YOU.
If a priest read the Bible in church from beginning to end, a lot of those church members would realize how absurd Christianity is. When I was in high school and in love with Jesus I decided to read the Bible. Pretty messed up to learn that I had been wrong about the most extreme part of my life.
Religion can't abide someone who can think and question for themselves as it falls apart so very quickly under the slightest scrutiny.
-Me, Just now. (And probably lots of other people throughout history)
Have you scrutinized your beliefs? I had and because of it I can easily defend my faith in Jesus.
Wow. This is nine years old. Where does the time go? Ha!
Time is, was and always will be right there.
It happened, and will happen..
It doesn't just disappear..
There is Eternal time..
It's never to late to respond to any of these lost souls that do not know the truth about Jesus..
They may still have the same phone, email, etc,. And this may reach them...
I am telling all these non believers in Jesus..
For the sake if their eternal soul & dwelling place.. (Heaven or Hell?)
If you cannot read the original ancient Paleo Hebrew scriptures..
Then your not getting the true word of God..!
He said Do Not Add To..
Or Take Away From His Word.!!!!
If you take "any" Paleo Hebrew Word
& Translate it into a different language in writing...
You've just changed it..
You've just edited it..
You've just re-defined the original word into some close to what your language can use..
If you cannot read ancient Hebrew..
Ask Jesus for yourself to come to you and reveal the truth to you.
Ask Him to show you what your end life reality will be ...
But when you ask...
Ask with a sincerely truthful heart that truly wants to know..
Also.. for better understanding of the original word...
See Alan Hovarth on UA-cam..
He is very accurate in his teaching..
Also... You might want to look up all the people who in the past few most recent years who have been visited by Jesus, who has seen Heaven and He'll..!
Children too small to talk profess the name of Jesus and His returning soon!
Don't be left behind to suffer the time of terror... Because it is coming & you need to be ready!
Blessings & Peace be upon you!
In Jesus name! Amen!
Hallel-Yahwah! & His Ruach HaKodesh!
I plead the blood of Jesus here!!! Amen!
Stupid ppl believing in god lol... what has god to do with us? We r just parasites in this universe expanding our generations like a virus. God must get rid of us soon if there is really a god.
@@rock-tk1qf m8 if there is no human there is no god
@@whatleyfarms1318 i'll be fine in hell all my friends will be there
@Terminator You don’t want there to be a God that’s why you think like that
Imagine being in Penn's youth group, not knowing he'd become one of the most famous magicians of all time!
Magic is just sleight of hand while faith can move mountains.
@@jeffforsythe9514 it never has though
@@Bigshady843 Faith, however misplaced it can be, can metaphorically "move mountains" - a rat in an infamous 1950s test lasted 5 or so hours when put in a water tank before nearly drowning. When put in again later, it lasted over 12 hours, or the demonstratable story goes something like that. Point is, faith in yourself or that you can do it, etc. is very important. A good school student with no motivation or belief they can do well in a particular subject often doesn't do well, while the ones that do have faith that they can do it if they try.
I'm not defending believing in things based on faith, but the quote "Faith can move mountains" is true in at least one way.
You probably don't need to imagine. The odds are actually pretty good that someone you grew up with or went to the same school as or lived in the same town as grew up to become famous. If you do any sort of hobby that produces some famous people you'll probably be around some of them at some point. For example I like to bicycle and I've ridden with some people who rode in the Tour de France or set records and so on. Anybody who is famous for bicycling is going to spend a lot of time bicycling and they will ride with thousands of people so it's not exactly a miracle if they meet less famous people who also ride a lot.
@@jeffforsythe9514 - Faith does not move mountains. Rather, faith is believing you can move mountains even though you never have and neither has anybody else. Faith is belief without evidence or even against the evidence. In that sense faith has a lot of power, because it's not always easy to make people believe in ridiculous things.
When I talk to my mum about the non sense that is the bible, she says "If one reads the bible without God's enlightenment, one will misunderstand everything."
There's just no way of arguing.
She is right. Without faith in the gospel Gods Word remains a sealed book. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (1 cor 2:14). There are also other reasons for not understanding passages, but enmity towards Gods testimony should be the main reason for seeing Gods word as mainly law/rules or "non sense". Its hard to understand or receive the message if we at the same time are busy resisting and fleeing God. But when the enmity has ceased and the soul rests in the testimony of the crucified and resurrected savior, Gods Son, Jesus Christ, one starts to be more receptive, and makes a proper distinction between law and gospel (which is more than just intellectual work, as it has to do with knowing God through Christ), and the idoltry of the mind stops (="i know better than God how things should be" or "a real God wouldnt come to us in the form of a rejected poor carpenters son" or viewing God as some kind of Hitler, not seeing Gods amazing selfsacrificing love through Jesus Christ). Instead of resisting one needs to be convicted of sin and surrender to (or rather flee to) Gods love in Jesus Christ. Suddenly the bible isnt just a difficult book, but words of the living God, and the pieces of the puzzle starts to make sense. Suddenly one sees God in Jesus Christ, and God as love and not as some kind of unrighteus Judge, suddenly one admits sin as sin, and find comfort in the gospel. Even religious people can have problem with all this and sometimes the resistance against God is most severe in religious people as they can be proud before God and find comfort in their religious activites rather than in the cross and the empty tomb, "Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." (2 cor 3:12-18).
Those who wear blinkers shall never see the light of the truth.
My mother was the same.
volkswin And i thought believers were crazy when i wasnt a believer, and when i became a believer people who used to flock around me was like "he has become one of them". Obviously there are some kind of war going on behind the curtains
internetsurfer777 Being crucified to resurrect 3 days later is not much compared to hell for all eternity.
It would have been more efficient to not create a hell in the very first place.
Throwing someone to hel for evcer and ever for not obeying, is not what i would call free will.
Its the very contrary.
Its like me saying "Sign this contract, or i will shoot you!"
You may not sign the contract (free will?), but you will be killed afterwards for doing so.
This is not what id call an all loving god.
This is what we call a mafia boss. And Allah is even worse.
At the time when monotheistic people were stoning adulterers, there were religions in asia, that were indeed peaceful and caring.
Not like yahwe or allah.
Soundcomplex Jesus death was not just any other torture killing of some martyr. The suffering of Jesus includes more components, like
a) the God the eternal Son became like us, took on human nature, out of free will, this suffering or humiliation starts at the moment of incarnation. He came down from the seat of God (Joh 8:42) from the high position of glory (Joh 17:5)
b) he didnt have to do this. we are just born becuase of reproduction. he was born into the world to save it.
c) when he came to the world he avoided using the might and power he has all the time since he is God almighty.. and not only did he avoid to use it all the time, he put it aside to be like us, to be in our condition,
d) God is not under the law (Gal 4:4), under the commandments, since he is the Lawgiver, but God the Son willingly put himself under the law, under the commandments, so that there will be one man who will keep the law. This way everyone who dies trusting in his free gift is declared holy in the eyes of God and "inherit" the kingdom of God, that is, receive it AS IF we deserve it. We depend on his righteousness, which could only be ours if he left his high position to place himself under the law.
e) during life he was tempted, though God the Son has no reason to be in a place where he gets tempted, but he came to us, kept the law and didnt fall into any sin (Joh 9:46; Heb 4:15; Heb 9:14)
f) he wasnt ever forced to die the most shameful death. he gave his own life out of free will (joh 10:18). martyrs die because cruel people capture them or because they endure persecution unto death for something they believe in. Gods Son on the other hand said he gave his own life out of free will, not for his own sake or for a good cause, but for sinners, yes his own enemies (Rom 5:6-8).
So its an act of free will and love, not somethign he had to do for his own sake or was forced to do. Moreover:
g) his suffering didnt start at the crucifiction moment, but at his incarnation, and followed by his temptations, the enmity he met, the very intense affliction and anguish he had in ghetsemany, when his pain was so great he showed signs of ematidrosis, a condition in some people suffering extreme levels of stress, when blood comes out together with sweat. While doing this he was also obeying God the Father, and prayed "your will be done, not mine".
h) though he could be on the almighty throne in heaven, he was down here on earth, crying, sweating, having ungodly people dress him in a crown of thorns, hit him and mock him, giving him so harsh brutal treatment with whipping etc that he died much earlier than people usually died during crucifictions (Mark 15:44-45; Joh 19:33)
i) at the last hours the entire city had turned against him, his discipled was scared and fled, the people who walked by the site mocked him, the priests mocked him, the roman soldiers mocked him, even the thieves mocked him.
j) and yet the things described so far is nothing compared to the greatest of pains, and the aim of all this, that he was to die in the place of sinners. this means the agony at the cross was so great because he experienced Gods wrath over sin that he cried out "My God My God why have you forsaken me". He was not experienced physical pain and horror and humiliation but actually experiencing Gods wrath over sin, that means, not just one sin, or all sins in one human, but every sin for every human. Jesus Christ "becoming a curse for us"(Gal 3:13).
Heaven will be filled with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, evildoers, homosexuals, sexual immoral people, murderers, wretch people of all kind.. because Jesus Christ is their righteousness. "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ" (2 Cor 5:19). THe guys who end up in hell are those who reject this free gift. They prefer a life in sin, pride, idolatry.
The condition: Death is not a natural thing. Death is unnatural. Humans were created to live forever. People die because there is sin in the world, because we are all sinners (Rom 6:23; Eph 2).
No one enherits the kingdom of God by "obeying". We enherit the kingdom of God by receiving a gift which is given to us, in repentful hearts, rejoicing over Gods free gift, and as a fruit of this faith we start to obey God and become more and more sanctified.
Your image "sign this paper or ill shoot you" does not work. Grace and saving faith has does not build on fear only, but of thankfulness, assurance, joy, peace, a new life. If we study the Bible this would be a more proper image Someone comes to a criminal and says: "You have commited awful crimes all your life and we can prove it by reading the law for you, you are about to be brought before the Judge, but the Judge has a big heart, he has both payed your debts and payed for the best Lawyer in the country who will speak for you, and we know that this Judge is not a liar but a honest man who never lies, and he is full of love and mercy - Now stop burning down the house of the Judge, stop spitting on the contract with the Lawyer, stop committing new crimes, but instead rejoice! be glad! change your ways, for you dont have to suffer your juste punishment for your crimes"
I became an atheist at 10 years old when the preacher at my church during prayer kept speaking to god in the third person like he was talking to the congregation. I opened my eyes thinking I had missed the amen and saw that everyone had their heads still bowed in prayer. It dawned on me that no one in the church actually believed in a real god like I had been taught, they believed in a pretend god. From then on my suspicions were confirmed at every turn.
Care to explain why the solution for Pi is a non-repeating infinite number and why infinity exists without inciting the name of God or why we have an imagination and where it came from? Not trying to be condescending so don't take it that way, I just feel it is a valid area of analysis.
Here is a thought that may make you see God in a different light. God is said to be celestial so why would anything a human being said hold any weight if the interpretation doesn't equate to simply asking God? Your right humans do not have the power or authority to dictate what God means or who God is. I refer to God as God myself because I believe gender is a limitation and I believe God is without limitation and organized religion places limitations extremely well on God.
Honestly the reason I cannot understand why atheism should be valid is it creates a paradox in my mind in which you must first acknowledge the existence of God before denying he exists and you have to have an extreme level of faith as it is more reliant on God's existence than any other philosophical belief in order to validate it in your own mind. So I went the road less traveled by everyone, combine every religion into a whole understanding and then I got it and no it is not at all what preachers tell you and honestly I got this idea from asking God. The ultimate message is not how to get to heaven that is instinctual, not bigotry and hatred, all I got from it all was to simply ask God not humans. Only God can answer questions you have about God no one else, they can help you by telling you how they took it but if they ever say "because God said so" or "because God don't like it" then they are an idiot and will never see what I am talking about. If it all still sounds crazy to you then you know your not really ready to take on that heavy of a question. I personally believe God is real but that God does not conform to a standardized idea or an extremely fucked up narrative exploited by so many people, but is much more than any one book, religion or person could cover.
Frank, if you knew enough to know that they were doing it wrong, why didn’t you decide to do it right instead of not doing it all? How is that any better?
evilcowboy Your premise that atheism is the denial of “God” is faulty from the outset. Atheism is simply the position of not having an affirmative belief in any “God” because the person is unpersuaded due to lack of evidence and the dubiousness of the arguments in favor of a “God” - it does _not_ begin with acceptance of a “God” proposition which is subsequently denied. Accordingly, your philosophical assertions about atheism somehow presenting a “paradox” are logically fallacious and easily dismissed.
@@valhalla7408 That's the cop-out atheists now use since they've found no way to defend the idea of "no God"
C.S. Unger Wrong again - typical theist projection - you’re the one engaged in a “cop out”, since you like other theists are inevitably trying to shift the burden of proof. You are the one claiming there is a “God”, so *prove it* . Atheists simply don’t believe your theistic claims and assertions without evidence.
Human beings are predisposed to create and cling to the idea that it must be a higher power responsible for that which we do not yet understand. The shear number and variety of "gods" that have been created, and fallen out of favor, over the last 200,000 years is evidence enough to understand the futility in those creations. It is a by-product of our relative underdeveloped consciousness.
Champerj there's not enuff time to sift thru 200 000 gods! Impossible. Bible is still real.
Champerj are predispositioned....lol
Champerj so lemme get this straight, Human beings who Love to Lie, Steal, Murder, have lots of immoral sex, drink to get drunk, gamble their money away and live a worldly prideful life invented a God who says don’t do any of that stuff you love to do.....Human beings invented the ultimate party pooper, because that makes total sense. But yet all the false gods who are dedicated to all the things people Love......some how none of them stuck around? Aphrodite goddess of sex no one wants to worship her but they wanna worship the One who says no to the immoral sex. Yep this makes lots of sense.
immoral sex like gay sex and adultery makes perfect sense to be warned against!. you cant just have weird sex or do whatever you want. There are rules to follow.
It's accurate to say that evolution has selected for this over hundreds of millions of years. And arguably "evolution" is the greatest "reality" and "judge" of Life there is.
What we are keyed to detect, is "agency". Psychologists have identified a series of interwoven processes from all over the primitive brain and reaching up into the cortical brain they've dubbed, the Hyperactive Agency Detection Device. We look for patterns of mean that indicate more than just "inertial motion". It comes out the need to rapidly distinguish between a stick and a snake, but has found utility in detecting patterns of agency.
Just be careful in tossing stuff away as "by-product of our relative[ly] underdeveloped consciousness". Because YOU yourself could easily be classified as this by the same standards you're applying!
One of the huge traps of ego that we fall into as a species, is thinking that just because something is primitive, it's useless. And also that just because we cannot in our callow egotic reasoning find a purpose for something, it must have no purpose.
Which interestingly, is one of the traps that maintaining a healthy respect (what ancients called "fear") for a Transcendent Ideal. And doubly interesting, did you know that Nietzsche predicted 130 or so years ago that we would end up at this place of considering ourselves "ubermunsch" (essentially gods-into-ourselves) even as we are led into all kinds of callow ideological belief-systems, if we managed to "kill God" in our own mind?
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
- Mark Twain
I prefer Patton Oswald's sky cake. Not all religious people are stupid btw.
Polly Pockets Of course. Met so many intelligent religious people. You are correct.
...but man! Dense ones are superbly annoying and a big black spot to progress and reality.
Raag Amat I agree with Mark Twain in fact the bible says the samething
“Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
Romans 1:22 NIV
@@apologetics2785 describes christians perfectly.
Kit Cumbie atheism*
You make a video about religion and the chat fills up with idiots.
Thanks for your wisdom Penn.
I remember the moment when I realized that, even as a Christian who was in the mission field, I believed in the Bible in the same way I believed in my favorite novels. I was fascinated, intrigued and completely moved by the possibilities presented in this fantasy history - but no rational part of my actually thought it was real. It was like playing D&D with friends, cosplaying as your favorite character in your favorite world....
And like all things, eventually you just grow up and grow out of it.
I genuinely think that it was suppose to be more of a tale a story maybe a children's fable to keep in mind and scare them into good behaviour rather than something to truly believe in or accept as reality. But clearly someone took it too seriously as humans are kmown for with anything and started wars over it and got people who didnt know any better and were insecure and hopeless to listen and have hope that their life wasnt pointless suffering or whatever and that they were cared about and special vs some peasant feeling the weight of the world. Its a nice way to basically shurk off all responsibility and consequences and whatnot and feel like special or chosen or different in the same way that teen or young adult coming of age sort of novels preach to teens having a horrid time not fully child not fully adult weird hormones and social shit love the reassurance of heroines and normal people finding out their magical or royalty or something that makes all the bs worth it.
Basically the bible is just a old school fairytale. Most religion is a mixture of that and an instruction manual on how not to get sick or die like have sex with your eternal soulmate only (because then you wont die of syphilis or have fucked up kids) dont eat unclean meats or do certain things cause SIN but actually youll get sick and die or end up regretting it etc. Like rest each week or youll die of overwork be grateful for what you have so you can be happy and love and help thy neighbour because then youll have strng community who can also watch out for you etc like a lot of the "good" stuff or rules are more just common sense and morals that we all innately have it really is just a fairytale telling you not to take food from strangers or tell lies or wander into the woods or off on general as a child. Like i feel sorry for people who cling to it but as long as they arent harming others their delusions are as important as anyone else using it as a coping mechanism for pain or hopelessness. Its why when i see teens or even adults who are like obssessed with books or movies or cosplay im really careful to sprak that enthusiasm and joy and not sjit on it like a lot of adults would as immature or not real or whatever because belief and joy and escapism in something is super important to humans. Our spirit or soul or whatever needs somwthing to love and look forward to and get lost in. But yeah i wish religious people would get lost in fandoms that dont start actual wars and kill people that arent them and abuse their power act in goverments and take advantage of those they claim to want to help like children teens unwed mothers homeless etc because the church any church hides so many sins and perpetrates them theyre the reason for the dark ages ffs. And so many wars if not all of them to some degree. Like if their is a magic being behind the book theyre not on humanities side. Maybe powerful rich men but noone else. You can tell it was written by patriarchal men. The fact that any females are religious at all is mental.
Most people do not have the wisdom to understand the Bible............falundafa
My son got us both kicked out of the First Baptist Church when he was seven, because he asked intelligent questions about Noah's ark that the Sunday school teacher couldn't answer. I was told that we were no longer welcome there because I supported my son's questions, told them I'd like to hear answers to those questions myself. We never went back, and I told my son I was very proud of him.
What questions did he have? I could answer those for you with intelligent answers! :) I am a believer and a Baptist.
One guy didn’t have answers for your (or your sons) questions about religion, and you quit? So, actually you think that every believer should know answer to question regarding God?
Maybe you just want a reason not to go there any more. God have mercy on your soul
@@Vani9999 lol Christianity? Prove your religion is right..your religion is confusing..thank god I’m a Muslim
I sort of had the opposite experience. I grew up as an agnostic bordering on an atheist. To coin my own word, I was a Idontcareatarian. As I grew older I explored a lot of drugs and wound up homeless and caught up in the drug game. I had an experience in the backyard of a house I was couch surfing at. I came to belief in Christ and this changed my perspective on life. I picked up the bible for the first time a few weeks later and started reading it. I found a great deal of wisdom and practical every day life tools. But yeah, I dont think anyone will read this and say "wow oh my, I want to read the bible now" lol. Just showcasing the exact opposite experience from unbelief to belief.
As a current Christian, I must confess that it is appalling when I hear or see other 'Christians' (I do not consider anyone a Christian just because they label themself one, but by rather how they live and act.) trying to push their beliefs on non-believers.
It's good to share, if they are willing to hear, and it's good to show if they are willing to see.
However it is not good to harass, belittle, condescend, scare, or show unwarranted animosity to those who do not believe. Same goes for any other religion, or atheistic stance.
It's fine to share your opinion, everyone has one, but not everyone is right. Most are wrong, and we all seem to 'know' the answer to it, but again only one of us can be right or none of us. We should not be pushing or forcing anyone into any kind of idea or religion or faith. We have free-will for a reason.
To give my opinion about this video:
After reading the bible, the more and more I read it, the more I believe in God, the more I understand the world around me, and the more I see patterns and things falling into place. I love God's word, and it has gotten me through the most difficult times, and even the most easy times. I try not to take God for granted, I was not a Christian my whole life, there has been a period of 15 years or so of living my own way, but I know I was wrong.
I'm a better person for loving and believing God, and it is what I consider a freedom, not a set of rules. To let God take over your life is freedom because he knows what's best for me more than I do for myself. When I do things my own way, things just do not work out the way I intended them, and usually for the worse.
But when I'm obedient to God, things still do not work the way I intended, but there's a difference this time: I am better off for it in the end. As would all of us be. He takes care of us, as he has always taken care of me when I'm faithful. He has even shown me tremendous mercy and grace when I wasn't faithful, and I'm grateful for it.
Let anyone who wants to know the truth, ask whoever may be in charge up there (God) to please kindly open your heart and eyes to show you the truth.
"You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart."
For everyone else, I wish you the best of luck and hope you one day realize that the scripture "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." rings true for you like it did for me.
Also..I'd like to note that the growing rate of atheism is basically foretold in the bible in the end-times. Just throwing that out there.
Isn't that what we're supposed to do, though? To "go forth and make disciples" as the Great Comission says?
Personally, that's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, thing I hate about my faith. I feel like I'm obligated to sell a product that many people need but nobody wants.
@@instagib783 we are not salesman. We are advocates and to show what they are missing by being a good example and loving others while they are yet sinners.
@@jomormont "sinners"
I didn't read the christian bible i read the torah and i dont get why they talk about people who dont believe in their religion as if they are another species
Actually paying attention in church actually converted me to atheism. I’ve seen younger children ask hard to answer questions about religion and were ridiculed and called ignorant. I became an atheist at the age of 13 but my family doesn’t know except some of my siblings and cousins that are also atheist. It’s the old generation that fails to see how stupid religion is which is why atheism is growing. Atheism could be higher if people who hid it came out of the closet.
I'm doing quite alright here in the closet. I brought snacks.
Don’t forget to pray before you eat
Dancing Madman are you Christian now?
No, and I never will be
I wish if i could but my environment is so obsessed with religion if i criticised it they will hate me and see me like an ignorant and i don't think that i am smart enough or have great social skills to debate about a dangerous topic
Reading them yourself has the same result, thrust me. Don’t take his word for it, read them for yourselves.
Thrust you??? I barely know you!!
@@emptyhand777 I was ready hoping I coulda done that first
Ok Lavar Burton
God cannot bless you unless you believe in Him, I know because I received that Grace.
When someone tries to interpret something to you there is always an agenda
Priests, preachers and cult leaders are the perfect example of the blind leading the blind😎
@Va Sr A typo of liberals. Either that or a cross between libel and Legolas.
I was a full on Catholic until I was 17. I decided to read the bible to expand my knowledge on the religion I loved, instead I ended up hating the idea of a deity who presents himself as the greatest thing ever but was actually an egotistical madman
Read apologetics on passages of the Bible you're concerned about.
So you believed in a deity because he was nice? That's a stupid reason to believe in anything.
That's what these turn out to be: "I don't like God"
Cian Nolan the egotistical madman is the spirit of the Antichrist that dwells within you. And that's really why you left the church.
jimmy c but he was full on Catholic so how?
"The old testament is responsible for more atheism than any other source it has emptied more churches than all the counter attractions of cinema, motor bicycle and golf" A A Milne
The old testament is not responsible, the old testament is Israel's history before Jesus, to really understand what happened and why it happened it is necessary to study history, philosophy and even understand relevant science concepts. Nowadays there are abundant sources, historians, philosophers, scientists, etc. even here in youtube where anyone who really thinks critically will find answers. The times of believing without thinking are gone for many of us. I believe not only because of my spiritual experience, but because I have researched answer to my questions and studied for several years the reasons for the faith that is in me.
Not if you have the wisdom to understand it. Seeking the Divine is a very arduous task but all good things are not easy.......falundafa
I will never understand people that can read religious texts and still be religious.
read the Quran
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I can never understand people who would read about natural selection, and still be athiests
@@solomonx2061 You don't understand much. My dog's morning shit is brighter than you!
@@solomonx2061why? What's contradicting between the notion of natural selection and the disbelief in a God who does the selection?
Well spoken Penn!
My best and shortest debate to 'shut up' christians is a small piece of paper - the size of a businesscard - that I carry with me everywere. On this piece of paper I (hand)wrote the following: " WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE". I will show that to christians when they start quoting any verse from the bible.
And then I would ask you to PROVE IT.
hahaha what a great way to appreciate being alive now and not in ratchety 1500s when religiouses were busy making up reasons to torture and imprison people for disagreeing with them about stuff that is measurably true
@@voiceoftruth2646your literally the one making the claim that the book is true. YOU have to prove it.
For me it took seeing Religulous for the 1st time to "convert" me away from superstition.
A movie every religious person should see if he/she wants to test their faith.
I started asking questions during my confirmation classes as a teenager. The answers didn't make any sense to me. So, I played along, sucked it up and didn't make waves. But, it wasn't until later on in my 20s that I started exploring other ways of thinking. For me it became a quest to find the answers to my questions. Who am I? Why am I here? Where did I really come from? Why are these things happening to me? What happens when we DIE? What is God? Why is there religion? On and on ... the more I learned the more I realised the less I knew. Today my learning and seeking continues. I'm now in my 70. For myself I have learned one doesn't need or have to belong to a religion or a belief in a God to be a good, kind, loving and non judgemental person. I've come to the understanding that the important thing is to think the right thoughts and do the right thing even when no one is looking. Development of a kind, generous & loving heart is what I'm really here for. THIS is my mission, my quest. 💚
I hope you live long enough to real journey through the cosmos.
ExtantFrodo2 ... don't know how much longer I've got to be here. I've been very fortunate health wise. Never had a major health problem and don't at this time. Don't need to take any medication for anything. I don't even get a cold or flu. Served my country in the Navy. Was a hospital corpsman with the Marine Corps in Viet Nam & came home with out a scratch on my body & a sound mind. Have worked in the medical field in the service to others most of my life. So, now I'm retired & every day I wake up here in this dimension I'm pretty grateful. But, I know that my ride on this train of life has gone way past the halfway mark. The train has started to slow down a little. When the end of this ride reaches the final destination I'll be more then ready to disembark with no fear. To DIE must be a really great adventure! I do believe our consciousness our life force leaves & travels on to something new & perhaps fascinating. When the time comes I'll be looking forward to the new & wondrous adventure. But with gratitude for all I've experienced & been given (good & bad 😊) this time around.
ExtantFrodo2, Good luck to you on your own journey. Wish you all the best that life can give.✌
*"I don't even get a cold or flu."*
Don't be fooled like I was. I too never got a cold or flu when people all around me were. Cuts and scratches healed quickly and scarless...and yet my neutrophils had been steadily descending over the previous 2 years. A bone marrow biopsy showed AML and the doctor had me come in to the hospital that day. 2 rounds of chemo later they still saw cancer and said I couldn't survive a 3rd round, to go home and make my peace. That was 8 years ago. I had the 3rd round. SUCCESS! Then a bone marrow transplant from my sister (yeah for big families).
I've no reason to suspect our consciousness (which is a result of neurons in action) will live on after my death. I'm only okay with that because I have to be. One might hope the freezing would be a viable option for beating death. Multiple backups constantly updated would be nice too. But what 'd really like it to fortify this body against damage and irrecoverable death.
Cosmic voyager Very true. Some of the most despicable people I have come across in my life wore their "Christianity" on their sleeve. Morality is so simple. Live by the golden rule.
cosmic voyager that’s nice in all but what if someone held a gun to your head and said never do good again, would you selfishly choose your own life over doing what’s right, or would you be willing to risk it all for the sake of what’s good? What if they told you for the rest of your life you would have to only do bad and instead of consequence you would be greatly rewarded, all your hearts desires handed to you because you did what was evil, no human family, friend or peer would judge you for doing wrong, they would encourage you. But as soon as you do good and what’s right the trigger will be pulled and your brains will be on the floor. You’ll lose everything you had all the things you love will be over, would you be willing to do that just for the sake of doing what’s right? Because the Disciples of Christ sure did and even to this day Christians willingly give up their lives for sake of doing what’s Right and Holy in God’s eyes.
Usually when religion is shoved down your throat when your just a child, you will be religious for life and defend all the holes in the Bible and there's lots.but if you never knew about religion and your older and educated and you read a Bible for the first time i can imagine how ridiculous it must sound. Then, the fact that so much of the world really lives by this and many other religions would have you scratching your head.
I actually read the Bible 9+ times from cover to cover, went to a secular divinity school and did a BA/MA, and also read it in its original languages, I am trained in Greek, and Latin (NT).
I also read the God delusion, God is not great, Bertrand Russell and so on.
I actually became more of a devout christian than l used to be.
You really have reached a stage I've always wanted to reach but am still struggling. I hope I will get there one day
Well, that would make you an idiot then, wouldn't it? I've also read the bible from cover to cover several times, and I didn't pick and choose while doing so. It's also apparent that you don't read all that well, since you didn't make a simple "typo" when you claimed to have read "BELTRAN Russell and so on". It's BERTRAND Russell, which strongly implies that when YOU read something, you DON'T get it right. Perfect confirmation for me.
@@geneladner8123 Hahahaha. "Beltran" was came up from the auto-correct which is in multilingual. So no biggies there.
So, the only way to not be an idiot is to read the Bible and be an atheist. That makes you a rabid radical fundamentalist atheist.
Anyways, let's get into this.
I strongly doubt you have ever read the Bible from cover to cover.
I bet, you cannot even tell me Jesus' nickname, or Moses' original name.,but that's fine I will pretend to believe what you said.
I have actually read the Bible in its original context like the NT in light of second temple Judaism, the targum and the Septuagint, and it is fascinating and rich what you find in the New testament and in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). So, I don't cherry-pick portions of the Bible I read the 66 books i(including the apocrypha) in their original context and everything makes sense.
The Bible only does not make sense to rabid radical fundamentalist atheists, and that is because they have never read it.
The Bible is the most amazing and harmonious library which has shaped the lives of people and influenced cultures and civilization. That's why the Bible has been, is and will always be, the most influential library (not a book, because the Bible is not a book) in History.
I have never ever met an atheist that has actually read the Bible (aside from my professors and a few other people). that old line from Isaac Asimov saying: "the way to be an atheist is to read the Bible" has gotten old already.
So I repeat, No atheist (with very few exceptions) has ever even touched the Bible.
@@joelrodriguez1232 You are wrong; although to be honest l did skip through Numbers in places which got to be pretty redundant. Reading it revealed the petty tribalism at the heart of it, as well as the immorality of the Hebrew take on the devine. The fall from grace is ludicrous; Abraham is insane; we now know that the entire bondage in Egypt story is without one shred of archeological evidence and is just a story to justify the genocide that follows; and Jesus was just a carpenter -- if that -- since no savior is needed to redeem a fall that never happened.
I would never claim to be a Bible expert but my personal experience in conversing with believers is that l often am more knowledgeable about what their horrid book contains than they are. Seems too many have this nonsense drilled into their heads when children then walk around knowing only a few of the Greatest Hits they remember from Bible School. This accounts why so many adult theists suddenly sound like dull children reciting badly written fairy tales when talking about their religious convictions. It's something that we as a species should work to move past.
@@dolnick7 Your comment exemplifies what I just said. Atheists have never read the Bible.
Going off of what some Christians (who are Biblically illiterate) say and then claim to understand the Bible is ludicrous.
I never hear anybody talk about the exilic, pre-exilic and post exilic period, the development of the kingdom(s), the birth of Israel as a nation, the minor and major prophets, the intertestamental period, epistolary segments and so on and so forth.
It is not about cherry-picking and talking about the passages that you do not like, but it is about taking the Bible seriously and paying attention to the narrative from the big picture point of view.
To say that the Bible is a horrid book shows the shallow reading you have done about on Bible.
The Bible is not a book but a library like I stated above. so it cannot be a "book " of fairy-tales.
Even if there were fairy tales (which I dispute) you would have to show me which section of this vast library that we call the Bible. For example if I say that the library of congress contains garbage , that would make me look like an idiot because I have not read every single book from the Library of Congress.
I am a Child of Atom, the only true higher power. To Atom Above may he bless me with the great divide.
PS: isn't it spelt Qu'ran?
Will Abbey like it!
PS: Who gives a fuck?
May Atom bless you for your Fallout reference.
PS: It's an Arabic word so there are multiple ways to spell it in English.
Embrace atom's glory
Child of Atom, tell me more!
"Thou shalt not kill" - except for all the death penalties for ludicrous "crimes" like picking up sticks on the Sabbath. But you can live if you are a rapist and can afford to pay off the father or you marry the victim, of course.
Mandy B Modern bibles have translated it as "murder" not "kill" unlike KJV because they have reasons...
You will not murder is the actual translation. Read the actual text not the mistranslation.
David Ward So when you stone your teen child to death because it is disobedient,it's not murder,right? Or your teenage daughter because she is not virgin at her wedding? How about killing someone for being gay or because he works on Saturday? Are these considered kills and not murders? Wtf people?
The "WTF people" is the answer to all the issues Humans have. It's Humans that fuck everything up. Period.
"Thou shall not take innocent blood" is the more accurate translation.
“The pastor would let me talk to him about this stuff.” Yeah, most wouldn’t. Like my English professor who would tell us what a passage meant instead of letting us interpret it for ourselves.
Ask me any question concerning creation and if you have an open mind I probably have the answer.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Cool! I have looked for creationists who were willing and able to discuss their beliefs and defend them scientifically, but they are hard to come by. You sound like you are one of them, which is exciting. Here are my first two questions about creation:
1. Are you claiming Young Earth Creationism or Old Earth Creationism?
2. Do you claim that life was created ex nihilo as described in the Bible, or do you believe that the scientific evidence is accurate but God was behind all of it? Said differently, did God magic animals into existence or did he direct the process of evolution in order to produce the diversity of life we see today?
@@davidstorrs All your questions can be answered at falundafa, my spiritual Master directed me to point the Way to the Way but not to pretend to be the Master, it is His Divine energy that can unlock your wisdom, not me, good luck...........falundafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 Ah, rats. When you claimed that "if you have an open mind **I** probably have the answer" (emphasis added) then I was really hoping you were being honest, but nope. You're another of those creationists who claims to be able to justify his beliefs but can't and either deflects or points to someone else. Oh well. Looks like my streak of not being able to find honest and educated creationists remains unbroken.
I'm a Christian but when this popped up on my recommended videos I thought I'd give it a listen and the first thing I'd like to say is that I'm thankful to be able to hear an atheist that talks about theists in a respectful way. There's usually a lot of mud slinging going on in these kinds of videos and I have no time for people that can't be civil. The arguments here are sensible and well thought out and presented clearly. However I think there are a few misconceptions about the Bible here that I'd just like to bring up. First of all what we call the "historical" books of the Bible, notably the books of Judges and Chronicles and parts of Genesis - if you read through them you will notice that there is a lot of narrative but very little commentary. For example the anecdote given here of "Lot's daughters being gang raped and God being ok with it". What actually happened in this story is that some angels came to visit Lot in the city of Sodom and the people came to his house to try to "lay with" them (as the King James coyly puts it!) Lot essentially said "No these people are my guests but you can have my daughters instead". Now that's pretty sick, but nowhere in the narrative does it say that it was ok for him to say that, and actually what happens is the angels pulled Lot back into the house and stuck all the people outside with blindness, so the daughters weren't actually touched. There are many other examples in the Bible of things happening that are pretty horrific though. In the book of Judges, for example, there is a concubine who is left in the streets and abused all night until she dies, then she was chopped into 12 pieces which were sent to the 12 tribes of Israel. This is narrative though. If I were to describe some of the things that are happening Syria right now and put it in a book it wouldn't mean that I'm ok with it, just that I am relating something that has happened. Actually a lot of the Bible is like this. There are other points I don't have time to go into right now but that's one thing to consider when reading the Bible.
I do think that a lot of these misconceptions are the fault of churches that try to sugarcoat Christianity and present it as being something it is not. I am fortunate enough to have previously gone to a church that goes through the entire Bible together chapter by chapter verse by verse and doesn't miss any of the nasty bits out but this is very rare. I think there is a need for Christians to stop packaging Christianity with sunshine and rainbows because as stated here it's very easy to see through it all when people actually start reading the Bible for themselves. Please don't dismiss it out of hand if it doesn't match up with what you've experienced of "contemporary Christianity" though. There's a lot more to this discussion but I need to go. I hope that makes sense.
+hawklord2001
It's your prerogative to do that, but I don't think God "relies on" people in the sense that he's dependant on us to propagate his message. If there is a creator of the universe does he really need us to believe in him? If the Bible is true then whatever we lose or gain through faith is really on our side not his. The concept of him giving us this message at all is pretty dumbfounding. If we've got it wrong then that's our fault and not his. I don't think he owes it to us to propagate his message in some other way. I'd agree with this video that everyone should read the Bible for themselves and decide what to believe about it. I just think they should also bear in mind that if it doesn't fit with their experience of contemporary Christianity then it doesn't necessarily mean that the Bible is wrong.
That's pretty fallacious reasoning. If someone sends you a message through an intermediary you would dismiss it out of hand? Then you didn't go to school? Or believe anything in a news report or article? I find that hard to believe.
That means you already presuppose a priori the non-existence of supernatural beings though, so you wouldn't listen anyway. That means even if there were a supernatural being you would never accept it.
+hawklord2001
The only way to verify or disprove the source of the information is to examine it and see if it stands up to scrutiny. This goes back to what I said earlier - that we all ought to examine the Bible for ourselves. It's jam packed with historical statements relating to various ancient kings and battles and events, it makes scientific statements that we have only relatively recently discovered ie. Isaiah 40.22 says that the earth is round, Ecclesiastes 1.6 describes air currents, Leviticus tells doctors to wash their hands in running water. Also about 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy. The Bible was written by about 40 authors over about 2000 years yet if God is omnipotent then he can give us an integrated message that is true and consistent. The only way to find out if this is the case is to read it for yourself and not dismiss it out of hand. To disprove the Bible you only need to find one indisputable error, so why not give it a go?
+hawklord2001
I wasn't trying to confirm or prove anything. I was just trying to say you can't prove or disprove the Bible without looking in the Bible. You say you will disregard the Bible because it can't be proved but you can't know that for sure unless you read the Bible. I haven't actually been trying to persuade you that God is real or that the Bible is true. I'm just saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense to say that the Bible can't be proven if you haven't read it. The only way you can make this statement is if you are taking other people's word for it, which is exactly what you're saying you won't do in regards to the Bible. This is a video of an atheist suggesting that atheists ought to read the Bible for themselves. I'm just agreeing with him.
So true. When I meandered my way through the bible as well as I could around the age of 12, I began questioning. When I revisited it as an adult, and compared it to what I knew about science at that time, I came out of the closet as an Atheist. Now it is a no-brainer.
Thanks Mr. Jillette.
A No brainer? The only person without a brain is you.You have a brain so try using it and stop being a sheep.
@@allangrant6349 Wow. Thanks for the constructive comment. I will try not to take it too personally and lose sleep over it.
@@jestork1 I've re-read that message I sent you.I apologise as it was rude and I have no excuse.I do get far to annoyed when I see people been deceived.Read Mathew chapter 24.Then tell me if those things aren't happening right now.
@@allangrant6349 We could go back and forth for ages and will respectfully acquiesce. I have a close Christian friend with whom I have bantered back and forth with for years. We appreciate each other for what we do as individuals regardless of our beliefs and focus on being good people who do the right thing for the sake of doing so and not for reward or fear of punishment. That is the commonality between us. Take care and good journeys.
@@jestork1 The fact is there has only ever been one Good person that has walked apon this Earth and that was Jesus Christ as he was perfect.I believe we should be careful what we say about the Bible.As Jesus first words were in his prayer.."Our Father who art in heaven Hallow be they name"(Hallow meaning Sanctify.)We should show great respect to God and Respect the Bible without Banter.
You often hear the claim that actually reading the Bible will make you an atheist. I would say for me it was definitely a factor. However, there are also a lot of people who become Christians through reading the Bible or have their faith reaffirmed by doing so. I think it really depends on your mindset when you start.
To reaffirm your faith reading the bible, requires you to cherry pick imo. If you read it in it's entirety, I don't see a way it can affirm anything
I find many (most?) people who are atheists will lean toward agnosticism with age. I try to be agnostic about it all best I can.
Yes, my mothers enthusiasm for violence in the bible made me inclined to atheism. She liked to quote it while beating, or brow beating us kids. My fathers compassion
Uh, look around. Did "evolution", your beloved lie, do some great service to humanity? According to you we evolved from knuckle dragging animals...into what? Billions killed by war, poverty, violence and crime with no end in sight. I wouldnt thump my chest and brag on being a big bad evolutionist in the shit world you live in if I was you.
@@gennymikel4296 You act like evolution is supposed to do some service. All it does it explain a single thing, that life forms change over time. Even if evolution were false, war, poverty, violence and crime exist irrespective of it or any god. I wouldn't thump my chest and act condescending if I were you considering you don't seem to grasp what the Theory of evolution addresses, and you somehow link it to the violence in the world as if that violence wouldn't happen if evolution were false. Plus, there's nothing beloved about it. It's just a thing that exists. I don't pray to Darwin and worship at the altar of evolution. I also find your pretentiousness fascinating. You claim to know what Jasmine thinks, when she never mentioned evolution. They're not mutually exclusive concepts. There are atheists who reject evolution just as there are theists who accept it. But since you reject evolution, I'm curious to know as to why? What is your evidence against it, should you have any?
Just because she was wrong for her actions doesn’t make the Bible wrong. Quit imagining causation.
Transylvania 6500 Just to clarify, if you believe in evolution, you believe in the unscientific fact that something came from nothing? Also, can you give an example of one being changing kind? That is from crocodile to snake or deer to cow...love to hear your answer.
@@gennymikel4296 our part of this shit world and you can take responsibility for it. What affucking douche!
Thou shall have no other gods before me... Doesn't god more or less tell us there is other gods? He could have clued us in who they are so we could chose
I love the whole part where it says any likeness or representation of him that is not him is blasphemy
Which means every single church and cross and anything that represents him is blasphemous
@@thecloneguyz yup you can't be more correct. I never thought about it from that perspective. Its so stupid with the bible. Especially now with internet where you can twist and turn every word in the bible and share like we do. You find holes in the whole damn book... The only consisting thing is that its pretty stupid
Drugs kill brain cells. Gods means anything before him. He is the only true god the others are fake gods like Budah, Mohammed. Gods could also be people or things like jobs govts ideology ect.
@@aracelyemmett3493
'ANY LIKENESS OR REPRESENTATION'
SO ALL CHURCHES, CROSSES, AND ANYTHING THAT 'REPRESENTS' HIM IS BLASPHEMY
VERY PLAIN SIMPLE WORDS TO UNDERSTAND
@@aracelyemmett3493 SCIENCE INVENTED YOUR RELIGION!
SCIENCE influences, dictates or designed 99.99% OF YOUR LIFE
Entertainment
Nutrition / Health
Clothes
Transportation
Employment
Technology
LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU SEE, TOUCH, FEEL, SMELL OR INTERACT WITH WAS INFLUENCED , DESIGNED OR DICTATED BY SCIENCE!!!!!!!
THE .01% thats says RELIGION is NOT REAL, YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT!
BUT HAVE NO ISSUES USING THE 99.99% of SCIENCE DAILY while DENYING .01% of it!
Pffffffffffffffftttttttttt Bwahahahahahahahaha
Just read Leviticus in its entirety and if you come out of that still thinking that book came from an all powerful all intelligent omniscient being, I've got some ice to sell you in Alaska.
Yes. SO MANY more INTERESTING things could have been discussed in place of it, and there'd be fewer leaking of supporters...
Then get your ice ready, cause I have already over and over for 30 years. So what is your problem exactly?
@@voiceoftruth2646 Leviticus is a very dry book. What did you get out of it?
@@jamesupton4996 lol! Well James, thanks for being respectful and not insulting me like 90% of the atheists have, if you're even if a full blown atheist. Anyway, you're right, the book is dry and I found it not very interesting and to tell you the truth I never did like studying the OT much, I prefer the new.
That said, that's not to say it's false in my view, I believe it's all Gods word. It's just that the OT is harder to understand and Leviticus is boring because this is where we get into all the laws being laid down and it goes on and on. But even so, I cannot find any reason to abandon my faith because of it, that's going too far and I see nothing in the OT to give me such reason. I do love Genesis though, but yes many books of the OT are boring.
@@voiceoftruth2646 Well, I'm a Catholic, and I find the whole Bible fascinating. Leviticus is a kind of manual of Temple Worship. It's of its time and place, but does show Israel's relationship with God. That's how we should read it. Given that the Old Testament was the Scripture of the early church, I think it's necessary to be fairly well acquainted with it to understand the world of Paul and the Gospel writers, and begin to get to something of what they meant, as well as having an understanding of the wider Greek and Roman culture they thought in. The Bible was compiled over maybe a millennium, not counting the oral traditions that preceded the writing, and there is development of religious thought in it, and even in the NT - written, maybe over three generations of early Christianity. I think faith is enhanced by seeing the Bible as a process of organic growth through different milieus, with different cultural and philosophical pressures applying. Also the way the texts were edited, like in Genesis, the two different creation stories, both put side by side, though from different source traditions. In the end, you read the Bible book by book, and note different strands within the books, and try to understand them as best as possible within what scholarship shows, and the Church teaches doctrinally.
leaving religion gave me my whole life to do what i want with. i'm happier than ever. many many people are leaving their religions. the world is changing.
I’m seriously happy for you
Religion is the worst thing to happen to human kind .
Lol, baised on what?? You have some evidence or just an uneducated opinion!?
No that's dumb
I agree. Well, I agree it is one of the worst. Whether or not it is the very worst of debatable.
@@alexanderraymund2950 the aids epidemic.
Bubonic plegue.
England suffered about 20% dead. The total average was about 25% of the whole world, as evidence indicates plague deaths in sub-Saharan Africa, India, and the Orient. As much as 66% of Europe and Asia succumbed. Approximately 100,000,000 people died in 4 years.
Small pox. Chinese famine in the late 50's. 45 million dead. Pol Pot had over 2.5 million of his own people killed in Cambodia. Thats 21% of the population in Cambodia dead.
WW1 65 million dead.
Holodomor is the Ukrainian word for “killing by hunger.” It is now the proper term for Josef Stalin’s forced starvation genocide against the Ukraine from 1932 to 1933. Almost 5 million starved to death.
Aids was a religious thing. . . ohhh wait. Well the black plague was . . ohh nope. Wrong again.
Small pox for sure was caused by people believing in God....what? Nope.
Ww1 was all about Religon! Nope!! The immediate cause of World War I that made the aforementioned items come into play (alliances, imperialism, militarism, nationalism) was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary. ... When Russia began to mobilize due to its alliance with Serbia, Germany declared war on Russia.
Yes, people have done some stupid things in the name of religion. But to be so bold as to say its one of the worst things to happen to humanity?
I wonder what the people who where starved to death would say to that, or the ones to die of small pox or black plague or Aids.
I remember a time when people used to think before they spoke. R.I.P common sense.
Where does letting fallen angels onto the world fit with it? That's a common religious dogma...
Thank you Mr. Jillette. My sister married an amazing black man and as a biracial couple gave the church another chance. They tried a few churches and found one that they liked and attended for a few weeks, then one day the pastor came to their house unannounced, and explained that their church was not for them. Needless to say, this was the turning point for them of what and who religion really is, a radical group of hypocrites. We were also taught that Santa & the Easter Bunny were real all in the name of making religion fun for the youth, and now that you've grown, you still don't believe in Santa delivered all those present in one night, do you? I never got anything, fuck Santa and the bunny too.
Don't diss Santa, he'll deliver you a piece of coal!
Coops I have bags of that shit, and Santa told me their was a diamond inside, he's a lying fuck.
Dave Scott Well technically he was right!
I remember one Christmas, Santa came to my room and...wait, he said it was our little secret. That's just between me, him and my psychiatrist...
Holidays have nothing to do with religion. Christmas came from Romans. 12 days of Christmas was when Roman courts shut down, men raped and pillaged in a drunken "holiday" to appease evil spirits.
Jonathan Martling that sure sounds like religion to me.
Excellent video. I agree, religious doctrine so contradicts itself that atheism is the only logical conclusion.
How?
@@MrKit9 I don't think you understand the irony in those words.
𝔸𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕚𝕤𝕞 𝕀𝕤 𝕋𝕙𝕖 𝔻𝕦𝕞𝕓𝕖𝕤𝕥 ℙ𝕠𝕚𝕟𝕥 𝕆𝕗 𝕍𝕚𝕖𝕨 𝕐𝕠𝕦 ℂ𝕒𝕟 𝕋𝕒𝕜𝕖.
You gotta be a complete dummy to believe in atheism.
atheism, really?
I am an atheist…period. Having said that I read the primary text of the Bible, Koran and Torah as well as secondary texts about them. I think as a student of Western Literature it is foundational to understand the Bible, references etc…because it will come up constantly from reading Don Quixote, Steinbeck, Salinger…I see the religious texts as an open door to the mindset of peoples of a given era. When the writings of Aquinas or Augustine are referenced I want to know at least an idea of what is being referenced.
I started the Bible as a Christian duty. I finished it an Atheist.
I wondered what happened to this "idiot" then? He surely was completely ignorant to read and follow the Bible and then create art from it, don't you agree? -- "I am a Christian and in fact a Roman Catholic.....the Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work." -JRR Tolkien, Author of the Lord of The Rings and The Hobbit
Thumbs up # 50. Reading the Bible used to make me so mad.
Alan Crook yup! Me too !!!
Alan Crook Sounds very familiar.
Eternity With Christ Being an atheist has nothing to do with wanting to sin, I'm an atheist and I am a very nice person who helps out in the community and has never hurt a fly. You know WHY I do that? Because I am actually nice, not because I'm afraid I'll burn in hell if I don't. If the only reason you're being nice/don't sin is because you're afraid of god, then you are not really a nice person. So you can keep that hypocritical moral superiority and stick it where the sun don't shine.
I was a christian until I was almost 33 years old. I had read the bible cover to cover twice as a teenager in a christian boys home, but since I had already been brainwashed into believing it was infallible I didnt think to question things I was taught growing up, but when I was 33 I decided to reread it on my own with an open mind after rejecting the baptist denomination because thier doctrine of salvation was in conflict of much of the new testament, so I set out to reread the entire new testament with the intention of letting god help me interpret it correctly, and by the end of james chapter 2 I realized I had been decieved all my life and the bible contained purely manmade fiction because of the nonstop contradictions that no god would approve of, and since I already rejected any other religion I became athiest and this last year and a half I was so right in making this decision.. so yes, rereading the bible with an open mind turned me athiest.
1) Did you find Christmas, Fat Tuesday/lent or Easter in the Bible? (no Passover is not Easter- unless you are into sex and baby killing)
2) Tell me where does it say you should go to Church on Sunday? (its obviously not)
3) Is it ok for me to bring a six pack of Sam Adams to a Church Picnic or perhaps some Jack Daniels? (yes)
4) How long should I wait after I accept Christ to be Baptized? (immediately)
5) Oh is confirmation in the Bible? Probably not the way you did it.
6) If I am a Buddist and seek God but never accept Jesus as my Savior can I get in to heaven? (yes and Jesus tells you this)
7) If I am a homosexual and tell others it is ok might I still get into heaven or if I commit any sin and tell others it is ok to commit that same sin can I get into heaven (if you have read the bible you know you can - Jesus said so try that on your Baptists.)
I have read the Bible too many times- and spent months perhaps without opening it- I go to a Bible Study and they tell me I am going down a rabbit hole with what I want to talk about- I used to attend a real Bible Study and we were always in the rabbit hole and never wanted to leave.
Keep reading the Bible and questioning God and those dumbass baptists-
Good Ole KJV Dueteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Bruce Cook
I’m afraid you’ve allowed yourself to be brainwashed into becoming an atheist. Only internet atheists who have been indoctrinated say the things you just said. For example, you make a claim that the “bible is full of contradictions” but you don’t provide any evidence to support the claim. Are you talking about the gospels description of the resurrection? Yes, there are minor details that are different in the various accounts but how is that a bad thing? Wouldn’t that strengthen your faith in God even more since that is a sign of its authenticity? You say that you read the bible with an “open mind” but that doesn’t seem to be the case, at all. It looks like you were looking for anything to persuade you into thinking religion isn’t rational. Think about it, if there are minor differences in the gospel accounts that means they are authentic because if the accounts were the exact same, that would be evidence of collusion or a conspiracy. It’s the fact that there are minor contradictions but the eye witnesses all agree that the major event took place which make the testimony credible in the first place. So the thing that you thought was leading away from faith is actually a reason to believe in God. This happens often with atheists, they make objections but those objections are actually evidence for God and not the other way around. My advice is to read the New Testament a third time without any preconceived notions. I was once a brainwashed atheist until I realized that I was allowing myself to be swayed by the “in group” and it wasn’t until I realized how inconsistent the atheistic/materialist worldview is with reality, that I sought out the truth in God. I can only speak from my experience but atheism is not a rational position nor is it scientific. The sad truth is, people reject God out of anger (emotion) and not using their minds (reason). It’s much easier to worship yourself than serve God. So while I understand the urge to deny God and say religion is “bs” the reality is that living a life of self induced ignorance has consequences.
@@3438-e9z What do you mean by ' brainwashed into becoming an atheist'? Everyone is born an atheist.
Paul Barrett
This is a common talking point among internet atheists but it’s not true. You’ve simple asserted that we are all born atheists but why would anyone believe that? To be an atheist you have to believe there is no God and no one can say that we are all born with that perspective. I can turn around and say we are all born believing in God because we have an understanding of right and wrong written in our hearts by God which is what scripture says. This argument that “we are all born atheists is not very convincing”. Secondly, atheists are not immune from being “brainwashed”. If anything it’s easy to become brainwashed into denying the existence God because of the agenda of the mainstream media and even a significant portion of the scientific community who wan to push their philosophy of naturalism on others.
@@3438-e9z My point is that no child is born with an inherent belief in a supernatural being- this has to be, as it usually is, indoctrinated by the parents or whoever. Thus, there is no such thing as a catholic child, but merely a child of catholic parents, and no such thing as a muslim child, but only the child of muslim parents etc. And what is this ' agenda of the mainstream'? Who are these conspirators? Do you mean scientists? Astronomers? Geologists? Physicists perhaps?
I read the bible cover to cover. I read the Koran cover to cover. I read the Torah cover to cover. I even read Dawkins God Delusion cover to cover and I am still a Christian.
me too xx
There are always going to be people who assume they're right... I became an atheist by reading the bible, by thinking about it.
+Zachary Clark And do you know the prophet of Islam's name is in the Bible ? I recommend you to check it out, you won't lose anything :)
try reading a science book
+Zachary Clark Have you ever watched a natural history documentary?
Penn being a Zappa fan just makes my consideration for him even higher
I'm not an atheist, but I can respect this immensely.
Which form of baseless superstition do you believe? If I were going to return to theism, on my second go I would worship John Frum and Joe Navy of the Cargo Cults. They're no more ridiculous than any other imaginary gods.
I was also asked to leave my bible study😂😂😃
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#metoo cos I was gay #fca2
As a kid, I took my bible readings very seriously and critiqued it as a book of facts. I saw the obvious inconsistencies but even the old testament didn't convince me that the Bible was bogus.
As I grew up I began to take a lot of interest in subjects like History, Science, Philosophy, and Politics. As I became more aware of how cruel people have been to each other since history began up to the cruelty of the present, I realized just how useless religion is.
No amount of prayer or God worshiping can save a society from the superior military of it's enemies. Besides a bit of occasional good or bad luck, people live and die by the merit of their actions.
You said "Besides a bit of occasional good or bad luck, people live and die by the merit of their actions."
I do not agree. I think good or bad luck has too much to do with how people live and die. For example if you are born a boy or girl, born in rich family or poor, born with certain health diseases/health risks, born during time of slavery, war, famine, etc. You have no say. Pure luck. And it really really has an impact on your life and death.
I packed Christianity in by the time I was 14 years old. I read about 1/2 of the Old Testament and stopped. I couldn't reconcile what I was reading. It was a horror show. I then read the New Testament, but I jumped all over the place. Eventually, I read enough to confirm my understanding. I concluded the Bible was an extremely long and detailed script to a horror movie. It was fantastical and unbelievable. Do not let anybody who claims to be a pastor, priest, or bible teacher decode the passages in this book. Read it yourself. If you can read this book, you are smart enough to arrive at the point where you will know it is patently insane.
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the mental fragility of religious authorities is the most solid evidence that its all bullsht
I found an error in the title:
_reading the Bible (or the Koran, or the Torah) will make you an atheist_
It should read:
_reading as an atheist unlikely change your worldview_
If this is what you got out of the video you need to watch it again.
Alby DeMoss
_When someone is trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda._ Penn Jillette 3:20
Petar Stamenkovic
hes not interpreting anything. Hes telling us how he came to believe Atheism. He never specified that he was an atheist before he began to see the contradictions in the bible. And he became an atheist by reading the bible and seeing the falicy in it
Alby DeMoss
And you're free to believe him that's how it happened.
You're not born as an atheist or a Christian. You're born merely believing in God because belief is the default state of the mind. Later on, you may choose to name him or reject him, like Penn here did. He has clearly rejected the belief and has read the Bible in such a way to make it fit with his assumptions.
Contradictions in the Bible are most often just contradictions in your mind- of what is true with what you assume to be true.
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Here, have a listen to Michael Shermer explain why the belief is the default state of human mind:
www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html
i am 60 yrs young at 30/31 my thought was is this all life is about. work hard 60 plus hrs a wk, play hard, get high (drugs, liquor, party etc) self employed good money etc. i still was unhappy empty inside, plenty friends, plenty money anyways empty inside etc, for what ever reason Jesus Christ filled the void in my soul (peace beyond ex planning) i can't explain it all nor understand it all BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS (IT IS REAL) i would rather believe and be called crazy than not believe and be foolish
That's great! But, I'd like to see your evidence if you don't mind me asking.
Same here
@@catharsympathizer7740 look up genesis apologetics
Everyone has that void. It is never truly filled, you just trick yourself into believing it is.
Milo WolfFace stfu
My path to atheism involved reading the Christian bible several times cover-to-cover. I wasn't looking to "become" an atheist, perhaps that's why it took me several tries :)
If God does not exist and you are an atheist, big deal, nothing lost and nothing gained but if there is a god and you are an atheist, God will respect your choice and will neither protect you nor give you His Blessings. In my opinion only a lost soul would then choose to be an atheist, sorry. Good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 I disagree. The bible jus5 doesn’t make sense. And if God was all powerful then why doesn’t he just come down to Earth and prove that he exists
@@maxymaxy32 The reason that you are here is to prove yourself to Him, not the other way around. We fell here from Heaven. How are you doing so far, making demands of God instead of just being good, what's so bad?
@@jeffforsythe9514 if that’s what you believe then I can’t stop you but demons and God don’t exist, at least not 5he one in the crazy bible
@@maxymaxy32 He has but man in its fallen state fell away as soon as he left. There were even people who rebelled against God while he was with us. So it is he left us his word for you to believe or not.
Oh Pen,your words are music to my ears,I am glad I am not the only one who thinks like that.
There are millions of us.
In my opinion, a 71 year old man, who received God's blessing 16 years ago, that is not music that you hear, it is Satan's voice.
If God does not exist and you are an atheist, big deal, nothing lost and nothing gained but if there is a god and you are an atheist, God will respect your choice and will neither protect you nor give you His Blessings. In my opinion only a lost soul would then choose to be an atheist, sorry. Good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 you demonstrate a typically delusional train of thoughts. IF you would deeper look in to the issues, you would notice that there were and still are countless gods worshipped by people like you all over the world,so your god is not so exceptional, neither is your expectation of blessings from this figment of your imagination.
@@jeffforsythe9514 - And if Joe Navy doesn't exist, you won't get any free cargo. How did you exist for 71 years without ever reading any of the debunkings of Pascal's Wager? How did you exist for 71 years without even learning the name of the fallacious argument you trot out for God? Do you think everyone you hit with that argument is as willfully ignorant as you are?
After Pascal wrote his wager centuries ago, countless philosophers have had a go at it. You should review the long history of how that played out, instead of pretending you have some shocking new truth.
"The one-armed guy who caught a fish this big"
lol, I love Penn
Fuck, Christian's figured out how to leave comments on UA-cam.
D.J. Wilson yup
Religious people : my religion is doing well and that's one reason why it's true.
Also religious people in the same breath : my religion is also being persecuted and that's one reason why it's true.
Make up your damn minds which is it?
Both are mainstays in reality. Some people who a few years ago tried to have me murdered are today trying to be my friend claiming I'm not being nice to then by refusing their friendship. They're all just so f'cking *broken up* over my persecution of them.
both could be true at the same time
I read the Bible and became an atheist afterwards.
Try listening to Francesca Stavrakopoulou, professor of biblical studies and atheist.
Like he says, when someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda. We (including myself) should do ourselves and everyone a favour and read the Bible before judging Christianity, read the Koran before judging Islam...etc.
If we just accept atheism because it seems rational at surface value and close our minds to further exploration, aren't we actually being irrational? Isn't this how prejudices are born?
(I'm not saying atheism is irrational - far from it. Just trying to point out the value in doing our own investigation into both camps to allow ourselves to make a rational decision on which seems right)
Z Moon finally someone gets it
That's why I did! Since my faith in Jesus started from spiritual experiences, I decided to research and educate my self to be able to explain the reasons for my faith to unbelievers and the more I studied history, philosophy and science the stronger my faith has become.
Well, you have Money right? So if you have, go in a bookstore and buy those two books. When you're done reading them we'll talk about it.
Spoiler alert: You'll be disappointed for what you'll found
It was true for me too! I loved God and Jesus and was devout in my faith and worship- until I committed myself to really read and study the Bible for myself. What I discovered shook me to my roots! I left the church, but continued to read all I could from just about every source I could lay my hands on, for, and against - just so I could be as Sure as I possibly could be. And of course, I never stopped praying and talking to them! I couldn't easily let go of my desire for what I imagined to be the real God, (rather than what was represented as him in the Bible), and His son Jesus to be true. Then I hit snags regarding Jesus, who proclaimed the god of the Bible to be his father - that certainly jarred! But the more I went on, the more painful truths as to his validity came to my attention. In fact, it took me a great many years to finally accept that it was all nothing more than a big fat deliberate lie! I had so loved and believed in them, and never stopped living my life wanting to believe in them and follow them. But no. In the end, I simply had to stop wasting my life, trying to believe. There was no god. There was no Jesus. They were man made myths devised to control the masses. They didn't care about us, because they couldn't- because they were simply a construct! It wasn't easy becoming an atheist - not for someone that believed so strongly in God and Jesus and the angels, and heaven and hell and so scarily, even the devil too, but I looked at everything, until it became undeniable to me. There is good and there is evil. It's measures according to each person. There are no supernatural beings. If there is anything beyond death, then it belongs there, not here, with us now, but if there is, it has nothing to do with any faith on earth, as, in order to discover the truth, I looked everywhere! Just wicked lies, by wicked people!, Perpetuated by those that listen and believe the liars! I feel as though I have wasted virtually a life-time living my life according to these 'stories' , but can at least comfort myself in the knowledge that I am now free - and It hasn't stopped me from being a decent person, in fact, there are many that profess faith that are far from that, for them the faith is nothing more than a means to an end! Glad I'm out!
The greater one's faith, the greater the rewards.
@@jeffforsythe9514 😂🙄
Like Jesus updated the Old Testament, there is a new update..................falundafa