Did Jesus Actually Exist? | Joe Rogan & Michelle Dowd
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Michelle Dowd is the author of "Forager: Field Notes on Surviving a Family Cult," revealing her life growing up on an isolated mountain within an apocalyptic cult, and how she found her way out by gleaning strength from the wilderness.
Host: Joe Rogan
Producer: Jamie Vernon
Episode: 2137
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An atheist and I’ll be the first to say that this woman knows absolutely nothing about the Bible or Christianity. She’s conflating everything together and misunderstanding a lot.
The entire Bible is literally subjective interpretations over hundreds of years lol
I'm not watching her for the intellectual reasons
how do you know if you know nothing about the bible or Christianity?
@@Iamrightyouarewrong ? I know plenty about the Bible and Christianity. Your question is a straw man.
@@IamrightyouarewrongOp knows more than Michelle which isn’t saying much
The moment she said Paul saw the “ghost” of Jesus, I immediately knew she didn’t know what she’s talking about.
Right, talk about a record scratch.
Well, she did say she’s not a historian.
Youd prefer the real Paul whom saw the Alien Jesus Christ in space!!!
1000 year before Noah there was the same story in ancient Sumerian ?
@@MIKEJV... Give us the primary source So we can look it up for ourselves
What?! The name Mary comes etymologically from the Hebrew name Miriam. It doesn't mean woman.
Leave it to a woman to say an important name from the Bible is woman.....
There's a reason why the Bible says women shouldn't be preaching.
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Lol
Geez. I don’t usually become dumber during his podcasts, but I could actually feel it happening during this clip
Bahahaha, so true.
How so specifically?
This is what happens when people who have NO IDEA wtf they're talking about just SOUND like they do.... Its dangerous
Michelle was speaking willy-nilly almost like a drunkard or high on weed and Joe Rogan being an atheist, encouraged and supported her, diluting the parables as written in the Bible and their true meanings.
Like you
Yeah like you have all the answers. You gonna preach and tell us we going to hell if we don't join your cult also ?
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@@EBC-Bronot so but some of the manuscripts are dated earlier than she’s insinuating so knows little of what she’s saying…
We can look at what’s historical. At what happened like when the gospels were written which is earlier than she said and the claims of it as a separate topics.
She's combining two different Bible stories. Jesus spoke about casting pearls to swine but that doesn't have anything to do with the story of The prodigal son.
Yeah I thought that was strange.... It's simple dont try to tell the gospel to somebody who is unwilling to listen. Your time is precious... Jesus says this about casting pearls before swine in Matthew 7:6
Also, she said something about maybe you get blessed more if you go out into the world and live a life of partying, sex, etc.... but I'm pretty sure it's the repenting and coming back to the Father that's the key...not the LEAVING that brings the extra blessings. 🤔
The lesson here is: read the Bible for yourself so you know when someone is wrong or making up stuff.
Key word is "story"
Its just stories from a fictional novel
@@freshoutofprisonHistorical evidence isn’t fiction ?
Joe needs to have Voddie Baucham on. His mind would be blown.
Nahh I think he needs to have Lee Strobel on
@@lunaeclipse777 Why not both?
So. Many great guests he could bring on.
Paul Washer
John MacArthur
John Piper, etc
And he chooses this lady to talk on something she knows nothing about
Yeah I agree, if he is going to speak on matters too high for him perhaps have someone who has a deeper understanding and actual faith.
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The Jesus guy in Australia used to be a Jehovah’s Witness… go figure..
Ooooohhhhh dear. Now that's a fruit loop group
The difference is the JVs have probably read the Bible more than “Christians”
Yeah one believer claiming another believer believes the wrong thing. Go figure.
Alll I know is when i started reading the bibe. My life Ignited Incredibly 😮and great great things, experiences and people were placed on my path. LIVING A GLORIOUS LIFE
Good for you but many people feel the same believing in different things
Stop the cap!
Quit talking out your a**😂
@@liamseekins9488yup and many people experienced the opposite their life got better after stop reading bibles
I have the same when watching Dora the explorer. Also just a story
Actually scholars say the earliest, the Gospel of Mark, was written 30 years after Jesus.
Yes. It was well under 100 years. From what I understand, The Gospel of John was the last entry and they say it was around 70AD(40 years after Jesus' death). That being said the Gospels(Good News) and the facts of Jesus' life were spread via oration and traveling missionaries immediately. What was being said and spread was then written down a few years later.
Yea there is some badly researched things in the video.Luke was written by Luke....he talked to people who walked with Christ including those who saw him after death.Luke also wrote Acts.Most Bible scholars accept Luke wrote his gospel and Acts,Mark was written by an understudy of Peter 30 to 35 years after Christ left earth....and numerous writtings by Paul are less than 50 years from when Christ left the earth.
Folks can believe or not believe what's being said in them...but it's pointless to try and debate those facts at this point.
@@korbendallas12What do you mean its pointless to debate these “facts?”
We don’t even know for sure if Jesus actually existed and the authorship of Luke is still seen as questionable. Thats the whole point of all this research and continuing efforts in archaeology.
@@Byorin No legit Biblical scholar and that includes non Christians debate that Jesus never existed they all agree Jesus existed...and I can list numerous names.It's pointless to debate that unless someone just wants to be ignorant on the subject.
They've found not one but two archaeological finds in Israel the last 5 years that date to about 40 to 60 AD that quotes from Luke and even says "the word from Luke"or Lūqās was the name used which means Luke in english.By the way...one of the finds was made by a Jewish archaeologist...the other was an athiest so not even found by those of the faith.
It's very high odds Luke wrote his gospel and Acts.Luke's gospel is actually letters he's writing to another Jew about what all he's finding out from talking to other people.
There are scholars that are debating that now, actually. These are scholars who lost their beliefs in the text we have now after they've translated more accurately. It's hard to know what the actual truth is these days.
If he didn't exist, contemporary Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wouldn't have written about him.
This is your opinion not fact you can have true peace without believing in jesus
@liamseekins9488 opinion? He litterally wrote about him. That's not opinion lol
Exactly @soap! 💯
@@soapboxearth2no, because of the fact that you basically say; I cannot think of any other reason, therefore it must be true.
There were numerous messiah in those days. A very famous one was actually a Simon. That dude did wonders like curing the sick and turning water into wine. Sounds familiar ?
Or Pliney the younger
Outside bible sources of Jesus
Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus
Tacitus (56-120AD) Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.
Suetonius (69-140AD) Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD
Josephus (37-101AD) In more detail than any other non-biblical historian, Josephus writes about Jesus in his “the Antiquities of the Jews” in 93AD.
All are false. Apocryphal. Joshephus wrote about Hercules - is Hercules historical?!
@@NaneuxPeeBranerubbish. I am not an expert but I will try to summarize the scholarly concensus, albeit not as effectively as an actual scholar but here: Almost every respectable scholar will agree that Tacitus and Josephus documented Jesus' existence. You have to understand that historians did not write structurally, or stylistically, in a similar fashion to how we wrote today. They used to teach rhetoric/persuasive writing and speaking to those historians within antiquity, and these historians would combine and document oral traditions, aspects of mythology, they would often write persuasively, and document history in this fashion. Does this mean we take everything as literal fact? No. But we have read between the lines and understand that documenting history 2000 years ago, was ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from how we document history nowadays. Historically they also wrote about the most important events, not necessarily in chronological order. They were looking to write impactful accounts, with amped up rhetoric. Where nowadays we put an emphasis on orderly, structured, and detailed chronological accounts.
But, with any historical document, it is probably best for you not to assume every thing written is literal fact. Whether you are reading history from 10 years ago, or 1000 years ago. Additionally, it would be logically fallacious of you to immediately discredit entire works of history, just because there was an error/mythological account. Apply the same standard to history in the Modern era, historians are constantly in the process of correcting eachother in the premise we keep learning/uncovering more information each day.
Edit: fortunately, You parroting cheap atheistic talking points won't actually change the fact that most respected historians and scholars accept OP's sources as attestations to the life of Jesus.
@@sinkorswimstars josephus also wrote about hercules as historically true and correct so...
Pontius Pilate (Latin: Pontius Pilatus; Greek: Πόντιος Πιλᾶτος, Pontios Pilatos) was the fifth governor of the Roman province of Judaea, serving under Emperor Tiberius from 26/27 to 36/37 AD. He is best known for being the official who presided over the trial of Jesus and ultimately ordered his crucifixion.
Nobody denies Pontius Pilate existed.
Beyond Judeo-Christian literary sources, Pontus Pilate has contemporary coins & inscriptions which support his existence. Jesus doesn’t but he is mentioned in Tacitus’ Annals (15.44, c. AD 110) in the context of the fire of Rome of AD 64 and subsequent persecution of Christians by Emperor Nero.
Because of sources outside of the Bible. Jesus is only named here and there, not to mention just his name. Not his ‘wonders’.
joe is not a story teller, he is the ultimate pupil. taking in information and digesting it on a real level.
He has good stories sometimes though
I love Joe but this is two people who literally know nothing about the Bible and don’t seem to want to learn. Nothing more nothing less.
bingo
The Bible is written in code.
Nothing wrong with that. Worthy.
I’m not religious but I just did some research and it appears she’s incorrect. Here’s what I got. Gospel of Matthew: Traditionally attributed to Matthew, it was likely written around 41 C.E., approximately 8 years after Jesus’ death.
Gospel of Mark: The earliest Gospel, written by Mark, dates from around 65-70 AD, which is about 35-40 years after Jesus’ death.
Gospel of Luke: Written by Luke, it falls within a similar timeframe as Mark, around AD 75-100, approximately 40-65 years after Jesus’ death.
Gospel of John: The latest Gospel, authored by John, was written around AD 75-100, making it approximately 40-65 years after Jesus’ death.
She’s wrong about so much in this clip, cringe
If Matthew was written in 41 AD then how is Mark the earliest Gospel?
We know what they said, we know what they ate, we know where they lived.
Read the Bible we know all of these things about Jesus. This woman really is off on her research and timing. The funny thing is if the Bible was found on a scroll by the Dead Sea Joe would be like isn’t this crazy! Wow!
They were not written 100 yrs after death.
why would she say matthew Luke and John didn't see Jesus? Mark wrote for Peter and was likely a teen whose mom would have them all over. This lady isn't the lady to be explaining things. Blind leading the blind.
"Did you know that Jesus was actually a character in the bowling film The Big Lebowski??"
Mark was written 20-30 years after, possibly earlier, by Mark, the associate of the apostle Peter, and most scholars will agree its the first written, and would be the account of Peter. Matthew/Luke would have been written within 30-40 years after. These two are traditionally written by Matthew, the apostle (or possibly a scribe/assistant of his) and the latter is actually Luke the evangelist, associate of Paul, who also wrote the book of Acts. There is lots of debate on the timing, largely because Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple, some scholars date some of the gospels after 70 AD, simply due to the fact there is a bias against the ability to divinely predict/prophesy. Finally there is John, written 60-70 years after death, latest 100 AD. Written by the apostle John, one of the twelve apostles, direct eyewitness (some scholars might disagree, but would grant it is from the Johainne community, so worst case written by those that John preached to). So you have two books written by apostles, direct eyewitnesses, a third book written by the associate of Peter (another eyewitness and "the rock" that Jesus stated he would build his church on), and a fourth book written by Luke, while not an eyewitness, was the associate of Paul, who was deeply embedded in the earlt Christian community within 10-20 years after Jesus resurrected.
So long story short, this lady is wildly misinformed, Joe has no idea what he is talking about again, but is spreading non-sense as if it is fact. Joe is at the peak of the Dunning-Kruger effect curve. Unfortunately needs to be educated in this topic. God forbid he does and gets confused/lost in some of the Gnostic texts. However, due to joe's proclivity's, I have a feeling he will never be truly charitable to Christianity.
LASTLY: On the topic of written sources documenting Jesus Christ, we have plenty, and more sources have written about Jesus within 20-50 years after his death and resurrection, than have written about Roman emporers. Nabil Q did a talk at a university, I believe he mentioned Nero(?), basically, we have 3 primary sources for EMPORER NERO, but we take his history (largely) to be written as fact. But we question Jesus when we have 4 immediate gospel accounts in the Christian tradition, almost a dozen of Paul's letters written to churches within 10-30 years after the resurrection, and we have 3 external non-christian sources documenting Jesus (Tacitus, Josephus, etc). And we still get people spewing this nonsense. We have many sources documenting Jesus Christ, more sources than we have for many historical figures, more sources than some Roman emporers, as many sources as we have for Alexander the great. It's amazing how scrupulous people are when it comes to Jesus and Christianity, applying standards that are incredibly high, standards that are not applied equally when it pertains to historical figures. Even agnostic scholars like Bart Ehrman will emphatically attest to the historicity of Jesus Christ's existence, it is beyond mere conjecture, it is simply a fact. No other individual has as much written about them in the age of antiquity Palestine, or the roman empire.
I'll end off with one of a dozen quotes from religious scholars, and there are many similar quotes like this, and these are from secular scholars attesting this fact (it goes to say evangelical/Christian scholars would also be just as empathic, if not more so, about the fact of Jesus Christ's existence) :
“I don’t think there’s any serious historian who doubts the existence of Jesus …. We have more evidence for Jesus than we have for almost anybody from his time period.”
━━ Bart Ehrman
A good read , "a case for Christ" lee stroeb I believe is the author. Book of Acts was believed to be written by apostle Paul between 50 ad -70 ad , only 20 to 30 yrs after crucifixion
I wonder what would happen if Joe and his friends tried to deconstruct quran or bagawad gita? Just wondering.
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”There is no any scholar in college or university in the Western world who teaches classics, ancient history, new testament, early Christianity, or any related field, who doubts that Jesus existed” -Bart Ehrman, agnostic scholar. I think Rogan should consult actual experts regarding the issue.
BART Erhman is atheist, not ‘agnostic’
@@johngoldsworthy7135According to himself, he is both.
@@johngoldsworthy7135all agnostics are atheist , not all atheist are agnostic
@@johngoldsworthy7135 He was also an ex-junkie. Turned xtian. Turned atheist. Turned agnostic. What else will he turn into for money!?
Wait till Joe finds out most of the historical biggest names from the ancient past, our closest writings to them some are over ONE THOUSAND YEARS after that person existed.
The most written about human being in history he even changed time A.D. ,B.C. of course he was real.. the reason people don't want to believe in God is not a lack evidence it's because they just don't want to obey...
If the Lord wanted us to "obey", we wouldn't have brains.
Well, I should say brains beyond a parrot 🦜
There are great messages in there, it's been translated dozens of times - it happens to fit your lifestyle, yet go back to understand the original writings
Why did they go to such lengths to bury scrolls and leave certain writings out that were included in the Original Scripture?
Wouldn't it be logical that Satan try to take over the church?
Do we need to hear it from a movie that the greatest trick the devil ever played on humans was pretending he doesn't exist.
Satan lives in The souls of pathetic men. Look at the world
Pathetic
Obey?
We had God-given brains before our gender was determined.
Men are supposed to be protectors and providers?
Yet we have a children's menu at Hooters that's keeping our boys preoccupied with protecting their own,
Letting boys wearing dresses into their mothers, wives, daughters public restrooms 🤔
while everybody's all up in arms about the Ukraine?
We're is sending strong Christian soldiers to save the world, who are ,"obeying"
while our own front yards are literally turning to trash.
He changed time? Seriously? Thank the Romans for that. Funny you call him the most written about human being yet no one wrote about him in his lifetime lol
And please stop with your christian god centric views on EVERYONE else, we don't care about your god, nor do we care about Vishnu, Odin, Ahura Mazda, Joe Pesci, etc.
Amen it's all about JESUS. Life is all about JESUS , His Salvation, and loving .
Most written ABOUT.
There are ~#32,000 TOTAL written words ascribed to Jesus.
Many are just conjunctions, adjectives, etc.
Many thoughts or parables are repeated in the Gospels.
So you ultimately end up with about 10,000 words with direct meaning.
The average speaker says from 100- 200 words per minute.
So you end up with about 100 minutes of Jesus actually speaking.
2-3 hours being generous.
That's a small lecture.
@matthewhudson5685 I said the most written about person, NOT the person who wrote the most.. meaning he is the person other people have written about the most. As for how much of his ministry is written down it doesn't matter. Quality over quantity you don't have to say the most to have the biggest impact.. L.ron Hubbard for example you know how much he wrote?? Answer a whole bunch all of it nonsense.. you get what am saying??
Matthew and John were Apostles .
They walked, talked, saw Jesus resurrected.
Most biblical scholars believe the gospels and the rest of the New Testament were written between 20 and 60 years after Jesus’s death and resurrection. Not the same as 100 years.
Mark? At 66 years later? And let the contradictions begin with the first 4 books. No eyewitness accounts. And Paul who had hallucinations is utter nonsense. The creator of the universe, who is mostly evil in the Bible , genocide , baby killer etc, needs to nail his son to some wood because we were bad. Pretty ridiculous. The piles of nonsense that make this myth is astounding.
Yeah, I have to agree. Joe saying that we know so much about people before Jesus, what they ate, what they did in their private lives? Is 100% inaccurate.
The letter J didn't exist 2000 years ago. The real name of the teacher was Yashua .You need to get Billy Carson on your show. He is brilliant with this topic
There's so many A names too, Adam, Abraham, Adderall. The list goes on
there are a lot of characters and events in the Bible, that lack historical evidence, but people are not ready for that conversation
The problem isn’t belief blinding people to the truth. The problem is she literally has no clue what she’s talking about.
She knows nothing about the Bible!!!
😂😂😂 yea ok
Research her background she's been through stuff.I agree she doesn't seem well versed but an accurate view of the Bible was taken from her.
I disagree with you!
And you know it all I assume?
Apparently neither did Jesus.
The reason Jesus, as the Messiah, and Christianity exist is described by Eli Ravage in his thesis "A real case against the J@ws".
That’s crazy, years ago guy richie told the sam story, it’s a parable about going out of one comfort zone to find themselves!
The son who stayed at home and refused to come to the table is the lost one
Bring cliffe on. Please
Actually I heard 4 years after was the first gospel.
When the blind leads the blind
If Jesus is mentioned in every holy book and is said to be a prophet or teacher or another Buddha and considered to be a way and in his book is the only way I think Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the light
This is your opinion not fact you can have true peace without believing in jesus. You can find truth and light without ever believing in him
@@liamseekins9488no you can't you only think you can your flesh is lying to you.
Ask me how I know
People are welcome to believe as they so choose or are taught et al. But as someone who has been an Atheist for 40+ years, it baffles me how so many cling to these obviously primitive beliefs based on texts that are loaded with ridiculous stories, contradictions, omissions etc.
Why is he interviewing her? She has the speech patterns and inflections of a 12 year old, and the knowledge of a 14 year old.
Look into Tacitus, a Roman Senator and historian. He writes about an actual man named Jesus Christ and his followers. A small note but it's there.
"The Lost Tomb of Jesus" is a documentary about some archeologists who claim to have found Jesus' tomb. It's an interesting documentary.
When Joe had that professor of religion on not long ago he stayed real quiet when the shroud of Turin came up. He pushed back then she pushed back and that was it. Was very disappointing because I think that would have been a great topic to talk about longer and Joe obviously knows a lot about it and once he got pushed back on the medieval cloth test he never pushed back
The level of ignorance on Christianity in non-catholics countries is incredible.
Jesus Christ is the only way
Joker
Yeah, and Santa is real 😂
Trump is the only way
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@@toomuchsalt13 love CHRISTmas time
“I am not an historian here, but I think the first one was “like” a hundred years”🤦♂️
The earliest accounts of Jesus' existence are found in the writings of the New Testament. The earliest of these writings are the Epistles of Paul, particularly 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, and 1 Corinthians, which are generally dated to around 50-60 CE. The Gospels, which provide more detailed narratives of Jesus' life and teachings, were written later, with Mark being the earliest, commonly dated to around 70 CE. The other Gospels (Matthew, Luke, and John) followed in the subsequent decades, with John being written around 90-100 CE.
Sorry, but, The first gospel written about Jesus was about 40 years after.
Most people didn't live that long, lol. So you're still talking about fiction.
@@Kinesiology411 Not fiction! Verification came with the correlation with other books who were of different sources.
Now you need to remember that Jesus' existence wasn't a big deal back then because he was seen as a prophet at most and a teacher at least, but to the authorities he stood against, he was nothing more of a nuisance that they promptly did away with. The problem was his popularity increased after his death. So much so that it threatened the authorities at the time. They had no problem with his existence.
If he was fictional, who created him? And this fictional character was so powerful that the almighty Roman empire saw his followers became a massive threat years after his death. Please tell me, what fictional character would have so much power over people to the point that they're ready to allow themselves to be killed in the most horrifying ways.
Lastly, his 12 apostles were no doubt real
@@izegaegbe FICTION, lol. Just a retelling of the exact same story used as mythology hundreds to thousands of years prior. Who created him? The J*ws, and it perfectly quelled an impending uprising at the time. They created a pacifist "messiah" and kept those who were planning a revolt in line. WAKE UP. People are intensely stupid and cults are VERY easy to create, package and sell. It's all fake.
@@Kinesiology411If we follow that kind of logic, then almost everything in history is fiction, and we would know nothing about it. There were eyewitnesses still alive when the first gospel was written.
@@commentator-qp9im lol, no, there weren't. And now you're getting it, sunshine, lol.
Much of "recorded history" is bs.
And Jesus is a myth.
He's the world's most famous Starseed, same experience, Cave of Resurrection & Garment of Light... He wasn't a Jew, he was Gnostic.
The inheritance isn't an inheritance of money, it's an inheritance of our God given spiritual gifts, psychic abilities etc.
Joe, here’s a fact to consider….the 4 Gospels were written as early as 35 years after Jesus death. Julius Ceaser wasn’t written about until 125 years after his death. And yet no one ever says Julius never existed…..
We also don't have a worldwide cult worshipping Caesar. He just inspired some tasty salad and bad haircuts, lol.
@@Kinesiology411you don't know what a Cult is.
Your sarcasm is appalling
@@Gavin-qh7li who's being sarcastic, lol? Religions are all cults. And Jesus never existed so it's a cult around a fairy tale. I find that repulsive.
@@Kinesiology411 only according to you
Yes, "Iesous" existed, but he is a literary disguise for Titus Flavius, the Roman General (later turned Emperor) who destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem.
Cast not your pearls before swine has LITERALLY nothing to do with the prodigal son. Infact she portrays it as though the father's obedient son says it, in jealousy, to his father, when in actuality it is said as instruction by Jesus. She couldn't possibly be more wrong.
The father sayed to his other son he was lost but you are here you will be okay that was the point meaning god will do wonders to get his lost children
John , Mathew didn’t really knew Jesus????? Oh good lord
The planet Venus was also known as Mary,and in the sign of Virgo,she's the virgin Mary.
Yea you can tell that they know nothing about Christianity
She's wrong about the synoptic Gospels and John's Gospel. John and Mathew actually walked and talked with the living Christ Himself. St. Mathew was the tax collector and John(James's bro) was a fisherman. St. John was at the foot of the cross during the Passion along with the Blessed Virgen Mary and St. Mary of Magdala. St. Matthew and St. John were part of the original 12 Apostles.
Plus, St. Peter -the leader of the Apostles- also wrote scripture that's in the New Testament. St. Paul met the resurrected Christ on the road to Damascus whilst butchering the very first Christians. His name at first was Saul of Tarsus, he hated the new movement of "The Way" -which is what the first Christians were called- he hated "blasphemers" and killed them. Then one day on the road to Damascus a flash of white light hit him, blinding him, and being called out by Christ Jesus of Nazareth. After he ran into Jesus, he fasted and was blind for three days, was healed by Ananias(in Christ's name) restoring his sight, and was baptized and given the name Paul by Christ Jesus.
St. Paul gave his life to Christ, traveled all throughout the Levant to spread the good news. He was eventually martyred in Rome by Emperor Nero. St. Luke "the Greek" wrote his Gospel from many sources of Christ's followers but mainly was inspired by Matthew and Paul. St. Mark got his Gospel mainly from St. Peter(Andrew's bro & also a fishermen). Cast that net one more time 😉
So, this gossip about "people that wrote the Bible never met Christ" is bullshit. And the dates of the very first texts are always going to be a debate amongst theologians, scientists, skeptics, and historians. This chick doesn't know her Bible or what she's talking about. Rogan needs to get Bishop Robert Barron or Sam Shamoun on and really get deep in the weeds about the greatest library to mankind, the Holy Bible!
Edit: Pray the rosary 📿✝️
Ignatius the patriarch quoted 25 of the 27 new testament books in 110AD. Jesus died anywhere from 30 A.D to 35 A.D. So where is she getting the premise that the gospels were written a hundred years after Jesus died?
Who cares.
@@PoopyThaGod everyone but you
@@thedog7494 the majority of the world gives two fucks about Jesus or any topic related to Jesus. So not just me.
Because ur not thinking with correct information ur not understanding because ur holding onto "false facts."
@@PoopyThaGod America is not the whole world buddy
Hate when people say their interpretation of the Bible instead of reading the actual Bible
Oh, Joe! Please educate yourself! Gospels were written few decades after crucifixion and resurrection by apostles who walked with Jesus and were his disciples and eyewitnesses of Jesus ministry. Also many other eyewitnesses were still alive and able to share their testimonies. Paul didn’t see Jesus ghost but had encounter with Jesus who is resurrected and alive and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
And this lady maybe knows the stories from the Bible, but she definitely doesn’t know the Bible or God.
I would recommend you to get some esv or nkjv study Bible and check out Cold-Case Christianity channel for the start.
This is why you don't take bible classes from a person who read the bible once at 8 years old. Eve translates to woman. Adam to man. How do you mix up Eve with Mary
So here’s the thing this isn’t fear mongering this is just how it is u have 2 options either u don’t believe or u believe … if you non believers happen to be right that will not affect us believers in anyway but if we happen to be right well then I can only wish you luck … people fail to realize that God is not subjected to your interpretation of how you view things God is not subjected to some imaginary dude in the sky and GOD IS NOT SUBJECTED TO YOUR RELIGION … When you are Walking in faith , believing in God , leading with love , that’s not a religion that’s called a way of living, a way of loving that’s called TRUE happiness God makes us go through rough times because if we didn’t we would never find our way back to him if we didn’t go through rough times and grow from them and learn so much about ourselves that we didn’t know before then we would never be able to help people going through similar or worse things … that is a blessing in itself and once again I would define that as the true definition of happiness. I can promise you that if you compare the old self righteous self belief I got it figured out “ I need evidence “ type of you vs the new loving following in Jesus Christ and putting your faith in our savior our Lord who died for our sins type of you , if you ask me it’ll be a world of differences . Like I said it’s a way of living it’s about loving it’s about helping and being kind and spreading gods word , Jesus once said “ I am the light of the world , who ever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life “ Amen 🙏 Jesus is king surrender yourself to our Lord or surrender yourself to your thoughts your lust your desires your self righteousness and self belief , : God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life: Amen 🙏
Curious we're having this conversation 2 thousand years after the fact. The power and reality of Jesus Christ is just as relevant now as it ever was. I don't see anybody else transforming people's lives for the better everyday across the world. We're talking about God, Jesus and the Bible because it has never been more relevant.
Matthew was an apostle and eyewitness to Jesus.
No no no no.......That's not what "Don't cast pearls before swine" means. Jordan Peterson has the best explanation.
Pontius Pilate wrote an account of Jesus including a description of what he looked like.
we have all sinned and the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus John 316
Once you have been truly saved and given a new heart and have an overwhelming feeling of gratitude that Jesus is with you, you are not concerned about a story in the Bible being 100% true, or if Jesus is real. Before being saved you can easily be distracted, hearing lots of opinions from others to keep you away from salvation. I pray that Joe Rogen finds his way to Jesus, and then can help many others to do the same.🙏
I'm not a christian, but I was raised in it. This woman knows nothing about the bible. Casting pearls before swine was said by Jesus in the sermon on the mount and referred to not wasting good things on people who don't appreciate them. He was telling the apostles not to waste time sharing the gospel to unreceptive people. It had nothing to do with the prodigal son.
The book of mark was 80 yrs after. Greeks, Roman's, Jewish and Arabs all wrote of Jesus in the same way
Whether you belive in Jesus or not.. His morals still hold up to this day
Yeah but we lost so much teachings of Jesus 😢 where Jesus talk about wisdom and secrets of universe 🥺 church banned all those gospels, Jesus have 12 disciples and I think 13 disciples wrote gospels but we have gospels from only 3 disciples 🥴
This life is spiritual warfare a battle for our souls and we need God every second of this battle. The weapon and armor we use is God's Word. If satan can't get to you he will use other people to get to you. To try to tempt you with sin. I also think there is different types of evil spirits that are called demons lust, addiction, anger, depression, confusion, greed and other negative feelings that tempts you to sin and goes against God. Stay strong especially in times of temptations. The second you feel tempted is the second you pray against it. Because if you give satan more than a second he will take that second and stretch it out longer. It gets harder to fight temptation that's why you don't give satan any chances. You pray against temptation the second it enters your mind. Because that's satan tempting you it's not sin to get tempted. Because Jesus was tempted by satan and Jesus never gave into sin. Jesus fought temptation with God's Word. We have to do that too. We can be willing vessels for God or we can be willing vessels for satan. There is no in between. The only way people can be willing vessels for satan is if they give into those temptations to carry out evil. satan likes deceiving people so they blindly keep doing evil without realizing it. It's like being hypnotized willing to do something evil without realizing the true effect of it. The only way you become a willing vessel for God is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and asking forgiveness for your sins. Also being obedient to God's Word and putting God first is also important. Then you will feel God as you walk in the Spirit.
Ephesians 6:11-12 "11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." KJV
It was *month* after he resurected. Paul refered to Eyewhitneses who wrote month after he rose from the dead.
None of the gospels were written 100 years after Jesus lived. The manuscript evidence shows that all of the New Testament was most likely well finished within the 1st century. Most scholars place the last of the four gospels which is the gospel of John as being finished in the the 90's A.C. That's still 55-65 yrs after Jesus and the tradition says it was directly by the apostle John himself or his own personal scribe and assistant.
It was always testament about living by example.
Probably not.
To put things simply, everything good we have in our societies here in the west stems directly or indirectly from the teachings of Jesus Christ. Our morality and our freedoms.
The stories were not written 100 years after his death. They where written 50 years after his death and the eyewitness where still alive during the time of its writing. Also the Bible is a library of books that has 20 plus authors but yet it reads in one tone and doesn’t contradict with one another. The Bible existence should have been impossible but yet there it is.
I was religious until I did my research. To begin with his name was not “Jesus” his name was Yeshua. Second, he did not die on the cross , matter in fact he wasn’t crucified at all. Everyone wants to jump into these cults/religion without knowing the origins of the religion as well as the teachings. The truth hurts.
Her ways of explaining the ancient beliefs is actually refreshing
The disciples died terrible deaths rather than renounce their stories of the risen Christ.
Not for anything, if I feed hundreds of people with a fish and some wine thousands of people would know about it. Only handful of people spoke of it. Yeah Right !!
"Did you know THEY say...."
Oh really? That may be the problem here.
Rest assured that Yeshua wasn't a cult leader.
The first gospel was written in year 70 ad. 37 years after his death. This lady had no clue.smh
I believe Jesus was a historical figure who, like many prophets of the time, believed he was the son of God. He led a very successful movement that got him killed and made a matyr. His followers understood that in order to make the movement he led stand the test of time, they had to turn him into a mythical superhero. So that's when he was given the power to walk on water and turn water into wine and heal the sick, come back from the dead, etc. So future sheep can say cool, i want to be a part of that flock.
I've actually said similar words to yours on other UA-cam videos. Jesus was an enlightened being who studied "hinduism" in India between the ages of 12 and 30. After achieving enlightenment (self realization) he went back to his people to share his newfound wisdom and the rest ...you already summed it up. Similarly, Siddhartha Gautama took what he learned in India and went east into Asia and subsequently Christianity and Buddhism were born. All religions are branches of Sanatana Dharma/ Vedanta aka Hinduism. The only teacher who had no teacher before him was given the name Shiva. He is Adiyogi (the first yogi). Har Har Mahadev 🙏
@@dharmendra.singh.1985 no he didn't paj33t
Yeh because if Stan Lee was being viciously murdered, he'd have kept his mouth shut that Spider-Man wasn't actually real nor stuck to walls.
All those people who died claiming the same thing, not quick and easy deaths. Tortured and viciously murdered but their beliefs and claims never swayed. Even the traitor hung himself after what he did. But yeh, they were just devoted to getting the comic book out there.........please.
@@dharmendra.singh.1985 Go look up The Futility. The fictional novel of a fictional British Ocean liner that hit an Iceberg and sank in the North Atlantic Ocean. Sound familiar? Oh YES! It must have been the Titanic right? Except you forgot it's a fictional novel. Never happened. It wasn't real. Until about 14 years later when The Titanic tragedy actually occurred. The novel was published in 1898, Titanic tragedy occurred in 1912. 14 years later. Point is, just because something is written about or has similarities, doesn't mean the other didn't happen. Your logic also only works if God only existed when Jesus was born but he wasn't. He created everything. The Holy Trinity who always had a connection with man since their creation. If The Bible is real which the overwhelming evidence points to that it is indeed accurate, then Hinduism doesn't work. The sign of The Great Flood and Noah's Ark doesn't let your theory work either which has been revealed as of late. Same thing with Sodum and Gomorrah. Signs that something unbelievably hot scorched that area. Look all those up. They're easily accessible.
@captaindeadpool2655 "Even the traitor hung himself after what he did." Did he? The book of acts says he walked into a field and spontaneously cumbusted. And the greatest spreader of Christianity was Paul, who wasn't tortured. He was a persecutor. He didn't even know the earthly Jesus. He claimed he was the messiah after falling off his horse and being scolded by the risen christ in a vision. In other words, more magic tricks to justify an eventual guilty conscience and increase the membership.
Joe seems to make a habit of discussing very serious subjects with the wrong person.
Yeahh this is a bad take from two people that don’t really know what they’re saying, don’t normally say that but this one is tuff to get through
Yeah a dude claiming a woman is actually Mary reincarnated is super weird, but a guy 2000 years ago walking on water, curing the sick and turning water into wine is perfectly believable 😂😂😂😂
What if a person whose name was not Jesus but he was the son of god and when religions refer to him they all have their own name for him
He still does.Remember I AM, you'll see Him i the fullness of time!
Michelle Dowds view of eyewitnesses and dating of the manuscripts is wrong. First, Matthew and John were of the twelve apostles Jesus appears too in John 19:19-29. Marks appearance when Jesus is arrested in Mark 14:51-52. Secondly, majority of scholars agree Mark is the earliest of the four books dating 56-60 A.D written in Rome. Not hundred years after, around 30-50 years after. P137 is the earliest fragment of Mark. Paul did not see a ghost of Jesus. In Acts 9:7, the men who were traveling with Paul heard a voice but saw nothing. Paul saw light, Jesus himself. In addition, Luke notes in 1: 1-4 how he received his sources, called today New Testament Textual Criticism, form, source, redaction criticism. Jesus not a storyteller, he spoke Gods words in parables to those could not understand because God blinded them. The reason to reveal the truth about the Kingdom of God Jesus is the true King, fulfilling what was spoken of him. Last, Plato and his writings are in worse condition. If Jesus did not exist either did Plato, or Aristotle. Plato's earliest manuscript is the Republic called the Nag Hamadi a 4th century A.D. only two copies, one in Greek, the other in Coptic, they don't agree with each other. Aristotle, 14th century A.D. I hope Joe Rogan has consistent and meaningful scholars who understand. Jesus is a true person, he is God.
Who gets spoken on after they die? So much ?
This woman knows ZERO about the Bible. She got pretty much everything wrong.
There is no other person who is like Jesus ever recorded in history. NONE. Learn history and you’ll see
The boat during slavery was named “Jesus “ 🤔
'Jesus' means 'God saves'
He was alive especially when he picked the disciples , Jesus is somebody that wanted you to have faith , explain the feeling of love hate anger . He was the holy trinity. He was the father son and the holy spirit . She is right about the parables as well . Please keep your faith .