Why did Padme Ignore So Many Red Flags with Anakin?
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- The relationship between Padme Amidala and Anakin Skywalker will go down in history as one of the most awkward pairings in galactic history. But at the same time Padme and Anakin have a lot of similarities that also makes them the perfect for one another.
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Going to guess, and see if how it lines up.
Padme fell in love with perhaps the first honest person she'd ever met. For all Anakin's red flags and flaws, he was extraordinarily sincere most of the time, and there was nothing he wanted from Padme. Anakin only wanted to love her.
Padme was raised in the halls of power and politics. Everyone she knew wanted something from her: money, votes, loyalty to this party or that, political influence. No relationship came without some condition, except for Anakin.
So yes, she was willing to overlook the forest of red flags because this was the only person she knew who wasn't trying to trade political favors from her. He just wanted to love and be loved (at least at the start, he did get extremely possessive if her toward the end).
@jamesarnold7253Even though your statement makes total sense and is true, the love of billions is distant, not intimate. They cannot engage with her on a personal level the same way Anakin can and does. Even Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi Wan even treat her a bit distantly, so they don’t form real friendships with her and act only as her protectors without becoming anything close to even confidants or real friends. She simply trusts her safety with them because they’re Jedi. Anakin and Palme formed an emotional, personal attachment before he became a Jedi, thus creating a scenario in which she still sees him as that gentle child she met all those years ago, despite adult Anakin’s major red flags. She’s also a politician, and likely considers all aspects of a situation before coming to a conclusion. Her attachment to Anakin clouds her better judgment in the end. She resisted him at their reunion during episode 2 because she respected his status as a Jedi, but their feelings and attachment to each other ended up winning out in the end.
Aaaaaaaand then he killed her by force choking her and “breaking her heart and making her lose the will to live” out of jealousy of Obi Wan. Or the Emperor drained her life using the force to fully enslave Anakin or what ever theory you adopt.
Nah it was a teenage love affair, and they both threw caution to the wind.
That's it. That's exactly it.
@jamesarnold7253
Well the Gungans don’t selflessly die for her in the abstract. They are a political faction in Naboo who have their own interests, and they received political benefits for siding with the Naboo humans. If the Trade Federation offered a better deal they might have joined them
No he let his protectivness lead. Into possessiveness
It happens to a lot of husband's,, especially us men at such a young age n̈ it something we must be trained to handle and anakin was not trained to draw that line
This is actually something I didn't even think about until the Clovis Arc. "YOU don't have a say in this!" Is a HUGE red flag of a controlling partner. She even told him after his beating of Clovis that she didn't know who he was anymore. And yet she still stays and even has his children. Wild.
Padme was in the wrong there
@@leonrussell9607Clovis made the move on her, it’s not her fault. But yeah she should have seen the red flags in Anakin from the day he killed the Tuskens, so she got what was coming to her unfortunately
@@thunderfreeze1544 she went out of her way to interact and get close to him, she's for the streets
@@thunderfreeze1544 Well Tusken Raiders aren't some innocent creatures. I mean they have "RAIDER" in their title. Padmè doesn't know much about Tatooine or it's inhabitants. She knows only bits about sand people. And the only thing she's heard were negative things. Even in A New Hope, Luke carried a rifle with him when going near Tusken territory when trying to find Artoo.
Did you forget that sand people kidnapped Shmi for no reason? And any attempt to rescue her resulted in people dying. I don't understand why people have forgotten that Tusken Raiders were always savages. Even back in A New Hope.
We all know Anakin tinkered with his robotic hand... so Padme would be a happy wife ... if she ignored the murder of Tusken Raiders, younglings, the war crimes, his possessive and controlling tendencies
Btw you didn't think about it until the Clovis arc? Half the time Padme does something is against Anakins wishes, if it was up to Anakin she probably wouldn't have left Coruscant and Naboo during the entire war.
Padme saw red flags but red is her favourite colour.
Padme made the same error that a lot of young women do. She mistook arrogance, which is born out of fear, for confidence. They may look the same at times, but are on opposite sides of the emotional maturity spectrum.
At least it was not a person who prepared a serum that may turn you into a psycho with no noble streak for seeing somebody important in a coma
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722I am so in the dark on this one. What is this referencing?
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I think the reason Padme ultimately stuck with Anakin despite his actions towards the raiders who kill his mom is twofold. One, because she sees that in this moment he is genuinely remorseful of his actions (not that it's any less fucked as a result but I digress), and two, because she sees to have an almost viewer-like level of awareness of how Jedi actually operate in regards to emotions, which is that they're never actually taught how to regulate them in favor of just shoving them down until they explode, and that if he could somehow find some peace within himself and learn to regulate that Anakin really did have a good heart
Why she stayed with him after everything else though is just beyond me
Because she thinks he's hot. You may not believe this, but some women love bad boys.
Anakin in that way almost seems like someone who lived in a cult that came out to regular society but still keeps most of his habits and in that way I can see why she took pity on him
Sand people get too much credit. They were evil. Child murder is wrong though.
You're right, and the clone wars shouldn't be considered canon for this and many other reasons
@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089evil is relative, they live on a planet with nothing and are isolationist
Anakin: "I killed them all! Not just the men, but the women! And the children too!"
Padmé: *I can fix him*
She's staring so thirstily in that scene it's just crazy. 😂
He confessed to mass murder and SPLOOSH
In fairness Tuscan Raiders are often pretty savage, so killing them might not have been seen as too big a deal.
She was actually staring at his lightsaber
He just had to much BDE 😂
“I can fix him”
It’s as simple as that LMAOO
"I can fix him" - Padme Amedala
“Incorrect” - Anakin
It starts with a single shared crisis. Anakin has been ripped away from his mother, Padme has been ripped away from her home. Their lives are in danger, and they're both very lonely. They're also both idealists - they both believe they have the power to ensure peace on the galaxy and undo the cruelty of slavery.
If I’m not mistaken, she only just had an attempt on her life maybe a month earlier. Something that as a political leader like she was has to worry about routinely. Padme was on extended leave from her duties at home and chose to leave home to go with Anakin, and then returned home. Plus, he just admitted to her his unjust indiscriminate murders, strong violent racists viewpoints and committing genocide all on impulse because he was upset that his mother died due to reasons that we just have to go with because he killed all those that could’ve known differently. And this is suppose to the good guy. A guy that’s suppose to be protecting her at the safety of her home. And she has a political career to worry about, and presumably should not want to be closely associated with anyone with even remotely Anakin’s baggage and deeds.
@@eds1942Padme is just as crazy as Anakin
@@eds1942racist? The kid had lived on the planet the raiders were on and they regularly show that they aren't good people. This isn't like irl, these are brutal aliens who kill anyone they meet
@@Jiub_SN just because it's fictional space racism doesn't mean it's not racism. The tuskens are isolationist. They just wanna be left the fuck alone. I'd be more than willing to bet that somewhere in Tatooine's history there are instances of settler colonialism that displaced a bunch of tuskens to make room for places like Mos Eisley. That doesn't make it right for a group of them to have killed Shmee, but to not acknowledge that Anakin was definitely racist is a little disingenuous. Granted this isn't related, but Anakin as Vader once called the president of a planet of raptor people a snake which is a racial slur for their species, and I can't imagine that only came out of his mouth because of the dark side or whatever
@@Jiub_SN It’s racism.
They are based on the Bedouins, not all were bandit groups. Similar to the Fremen in Dune. They are a sentient people. This particular group had families. And Anakin outright called them animals, that he would kill them all. Even the women and children. You can not call that not racist.
People need to stop making excuses for this guy.
Why did Padme Ignore So Many Red Flags with Anakin?
1) Padme was in love. Love makes people ignore flaws.
2) Like you've said, Padme had no normal childhood since she was a child political prodigy. This isolated her from her agemates which is something she and Anakin had in common.
3) Padme knew Shmi as a kind good woman and the Tuskens - whom Cliegg described to Padme as vicious animals - kidnapped her and tortured her for weeks which resulted in her death. And while Anakin massacred them, he was also regretful about it so it's not like he was a unfeeling psychopath. Padme could've not that incorrectly interpreted it that Anakin made a mistake due to the extreme circumstances which he wouldn't repeat. So it's not like Anakin massacred innocent villagers just for fun.
4) Anakin had beaten up Clovis but a) Clovis wanted to kiss Padme against her will, b) Clovis was willing to fight Anakin which is insane since he's a senator and Anakin a force sensitive trained soldier, c) Padme kind of created the situation since she went on de facto date with Clovis, d) Anakin could've heard about/seen women get raped and/or forced upon when he was a young slave so his protective instincts kicked in when he saw Clovis trying to force himself on Padme.
You also forgot that Anakin's mother may have be subjected to setting rape
Let's take out the fact that she would be in prison in Japan and South Korea for a second. Her face could've been slashed horrifically and she could look like Kuchisake-Onna (the scar-faced woman) because some girl was jealous of her. People would still think she's attractive because of who she is on the inside.
It's kind of implied that his mother was abused sometimes
@@NathanChun-y6uSome say that Anakin needs excuses to keep his living fleshlight (Padme) which is so disgusting even the most BDSM rookie wants to shut that ignorant fool up
I believe that Walo may have raped Shmi more than one in front of little Anakin as a kid for rebellion against him.
I don't think she ignored them, Padme being the kind caring soul she is to her allies and friends, this is about as realistic and the story that conveys here that Lucas wanted to show that feeling of acceptance. That "Okay, you have flaws. But that doesn't mean you are a bad person." I know its a meme now but the "I can fix him" is real with Padme and Anakin. Padme is Anakin's better half to ground him in reality, only if he was around her more during the Clone Wars. He did say that her messages help him cope within the war.
Exactly, and it isn't by mistake that Sidious isolated Anakin from both Padme and Obi-Wan to get him to fall. However, I would offer that it is a lack of maturity on her part to not help him better. His issues required help far beyond what she could give, he needed therapy, and if the Jedi couldn't provide that then he would need it elsewhere. Her desire (or vocational need) to serve the Republic kind of pushed his needs to the side. Possibly if she had lived to raise her kids she might have then encouraged him to get additional help.
Imagine the extra war crimes Anakin would have done if not for Padme
@@TaraCicora
I totally agree. Padme could help him, if she wasn't so focus on her duties. Her role in Episode III as a pregnant wife shifted and she wanted him to stay around her. Since they didn't have the bond they wanted, if Padme actually tried to counsel and even helped him see through his emotions and balance his impulsiveness into those situations maybe Anakin would of matured better. She saw the signs, and instead viewed it as he's human and loves him for it. In a way, she's the main reason he became Darth Vader, and only started to criticism him after he fell to the Dark Side. She should of as a friend to Ani to comfort him and help him understand how to control his emotions.
Yeah, pretty much 😅
@@VioletMaeve and can you say the same for Rey with Kylo Ren who is so much like his Grandfather
"We all remember what it was like dating that girl with the family with the lake house and the beach. Hanging out with her alone in nature."
You know who your core audience is? Yes we all remember.
I don’t
The first major Anakin red flag we saw was THAT grin he gave after she told him he was making her uncomfortable. What tf was the direction on that?! Obviously he was destined to turn evil, but that look would make any sane person grab the nearest weapon
Or perhaps turn your own body as your weapon
El jamás la hubiera dejado tranquila,el la amaba demasiado hasta la obsesión ,ella se dejó llevar.
@@indiramartinezmorales7674De seguro si Anakin mandaba a la mierda a muchas líneas temporales Padme se manosearía el coño por el
I'm not condoning Anakin's actions but come on Allen, the Tusken raiders did a little bit more than "Raiding his mother's retirement home".
They kidnapped his mother from her actual home, tortured her for who knows how long; then they murdered the party that tried to rescue her, cut off her husband's leg, and watched her slowly die being chained up in a desert tent.
Now, again... I'm not condoning Anakin's actions, but after being taken from his mother, then having nightmares that shes dying, only to find her and watch helplessy as she actually dies in his arms; that would drive anyone over the edge.
Not to mention, were not even taking into account that he was EXTREMELY powerful.
Most people would say they wouldn't have done what he did but then again, none of us has access to the power that Anakin had. Do you honestly think that the majority of people wouldn't do EXACTLY what Anakin did if they did have that power?
Its like that quote by Abraham Lincoln, "Nearly all men can stand adversity but if you want to test a man's character give him power."
Just as you said in your previous video, Allen, most people think that they would have sided with the Jedi but most would actually cave to the Empire; its the same thing here.
Most people would have done exactly what Anakin did if they had his power and they knew no one would know or care about a tribe of Tuskens.
good comment!
THANK YOU! People in these comments are giving the Tuskens way too much leeway
Fact of the matter that people don't seem to want to accept; is that Tuskens or Sand People are generally monsters to any inhabitant on the planet that isn't them.
Their first reaction to catching ANYONE in the open-desert just traversing from A to B is to shoot them, kill any immediate threats. Their second is to enslave the survivors, their third is forced-labour and torture if they refuse, working them to the bone until they die.
The only way you can communicate with a Tusken is by being a greater untouchable threat that they cannot neutralize. You are forcing them into negotiations, and even then they will set the conditions.
Tuskens are monstrous bandit raiders of the Tatooine dune-sea. You may come across a smaller tribe who is just minding their own, but they are not the norm, and those were certainly not the variety Anakin encountered, who attack farmsteads to capture and enslave their inhabitants, only to torture Shmi to death and kill any rescue-parties going after her.
They had it coming and Anakin shouldn't be feeling remorse for putting down a tribe who made a habit of raiding farm-steads and abducting their people.
The way people are talking about the Tuskens, I am sure if these people were to come across a human trafficking ring, they'd go "Oh don't be too hard on them, we just don't understand their culture!".
@@Flopdoodle I dare you to talk like that again right now because Ultra Vegito the God killer would like to have a word with you for letting animals aka mortals die for nothing. You and Anakin are no Gods who decide who lives and who dies
"When you are wearing rose-tinted glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
One thing people overlook: We the audience are privy to more information than the characters are. For as much as Padmé knew about the sand people, she honestly probably thought they attacked Anakin first and he felt guilty because he had to kill them all in defense; that wouldn’t be the Jedi way, so naturally she tries to comfort him.
She only knew as much as Anakin told her. He never said who attacked first, just a general admission of guilt, and the sand people that killed Shmi had also killed other villagers that went to save her, so in Padme’s mind he did what he had to do to survive and bring his mom home and it tore him apart inside so she felt sorry for him.
If she had found out how it actually went down I don’t think she’d have reacted so kindly. I also feel like part of her was just glad he came back alive after seeing him carry his moms body inside.
And the part about him killing the women and children, she probably thought he was exaggerating since he was so enraged...
It's a vicious galaxy full of hidden dangers. Anakin is intelligent, deadly, and loyal.
I mean I’d ignore all the red flags for Natalie Portman. I can’t blame Anakin
This. Precisely. She's Natalie Portman, how can you not?! Literally the most perfect woman in history.
I could over look a hell of a lot for a chance to hit that .
@@lordofpain3476 *force choke
Anikin is also fiiine
Especially back then fuck
Padme: "Is that also a red flag?"
Obi-Wan: "Crimson."
Good ol' TFS Reference
The main problem, is that Padme and Anakin's relationship crashes and burns is because it is supposed to as it that typical Romeo and Juliet, type of romance, doomed to end in tragedy for all concerned, one way or another. Plus as they as separated for majority of the three years they are married, due to the clone wars and only have brief time together, they are always jumping from one crisis to another and never have any time to create a solid and loving relationship, that might have survived the weight of the various issues unresolved that eventually destroyed it. Alongside the insidious influence of Sidious further rocking the boat at the same time.
I said it once I’ll say it again I love how he’s able to incorporate real world issues into Star Wars and reminding us at the end of the day we’re all just human
Palpatine and Vader's relationship was incredibly toxic. Both are constantly trying to undermine each other. Palpatine was sending people to kill Vader and conducting tests on Darth's loyalty. While Vader was making clones to kill the Emperor and allow him to usurp Palpatine's authority.
Please, name the source where Palpatine actually sent people to kill Vader. I'm interested in watching/reading.
First one comes to mind is Darth Vader comic #6, by Greg Pak. Palpatine sent an assassin againster Vader, but ultimately sided with Vader instead.@@drugaddicter
@charlessaint7926 Thanks )
This is the way… of the Sith
@@drugaddicter Well, early in 'Vader' comics he and the Grand Inquisitor first met within the Jedi Temple when were sent there by the Emperor without being informed about each other. Inevitably, it ended up a fight that the Emperor stepped in to break up after a bit. The outcome wasn't in doubt and it wasn't a real assassination attempt; it was just his way of introducing them, establishing the pecking order, and letting Vader assess the Inquisitor's skills. But he did all sorts of stuff like that.
Alan described how children cope with trauma by “growing up to fast”
Me: Why do ya gotta call me out like that?
I felt that
.... "I take it back George, you know EXACTLY what you were doing"
Still makes me laugh
😂.
She loved him, she even jokes that love can blind a person.
cuz hayden christensen so fine
Cuz Padme is so fine
he's still fine af🤦♀️🥰🥰😫
I mean he's 6'2 brooding and has an amazing body. I know he could do something with that robotic hand
He walked the runway in Paris Fashion Week and Milan Fashion Week for Gucci for their Fall-Winter 2023-2024 collection alongside Macaulay Culkin. He's probably gonna be in the Spring-Summer 2024 collection for Gucci as well.
@@lizmarvel6744what did i just read 🙁
When I was a kid I didn’t have the maturity to understand that virtually all the characters in the Prequels were flawed, and virtually all the relationships in the Prequels were at least somewhat unhealthy. When I got a little older, I saw the flaws in the characters and their relationships, and I thought that made the Prequels bad movies. Now, I think that being honest about the flaws in all the characters and their relationships just gives you a lens through which you can appreciate the Prequels as the tragic stories that they are. If you’re a parent and you’re introducing your kids to the Star Wars prequels, I think it’s important that you talk to your kids about the flaws in the characters they see, and about the unhealthy parts of those characters’ relationships. No matter how young your kids are.
Padme didn't ignore them
That's the exact reason she fell in love with Anakin
She was just into that, don't kink shame
Ye probably 😂
I mean, we all saw what she wore on their dates.
Oh, if you're lookin for kinky,
C3P0 was a diplomatic sex bot built for Wado. Why else would Annie be so horny for the first diplomat he sees?
Mass murder turns her on. Mustafar was roleplaying turned wrong by Obi-Wan's arrival (she loves when Ani Force chokes her)
@@dianabarnett6886 Anakin: Force Chokes Padme
Obi-Wan appears "Let her go Anakin!"
Padme: "Harder Ani!"
Obi-Wan: "... I'm just gonna go since this is weirding me out. Anakin don't kill any Younglings or Jedi or other people again. Don't listen to Palpatine or I'll have to come back with Master Yoda, okay? Ok, bye now."
goes back into the ship "Oh and call me if you need a baby sitter"
end tune and credits
written by George Lucas
One thing that I've always believed when it came to Padme and Anakin was also their political convictions. Padme grew up in what was essentially a sheltered home when it came to the political unreliability of the Republic (look at her reaction to finding out about Anakin and Shmi being slaves). She always had this idealized view of it. While she knew it wasn't perfect, she never really stopped trying to fix it and make the reality match her vision. The scales truly fell from her eyes when Palpatine declared himself Emperor and the Senate applauded.
Anakin, on the other hand, spent his early years as a slave. So in a sense he was conditioned to be somewhat accepting of a system where people are made to do things, without having to discuss it. Despite his talk about feeling democracy not working, his view was essentially just another form of servitude to another. As the Clone War dragged on, Anakin came to believe that the military was actually making progress while the politicians just sat around and debated incessantly, but never really getting anything done.
Kid Anakin: *exists*
Padme Amidala: "Ara Ara~"
So Padme is.... Shotacon?? 😅
Padme was 14 when they first met
@@KaminoKatie When I was 16 I thought it'd be pedo to try to court 8th graders.
She was under his spell after that amazing sand speech.
I think people tend to forget that when you are infatuated by someone, you naturally tend to overlook the red flags. This is no different for Padmé - they're in the honeymoon stage, and before you know it, they now have kids on the way. However, Padmé is intelligent, rational - we see as such in Episode 1 (she is the protagonist, after all) - and above that, caring, kind, open-minded and wholehearted, which in tandem, show a combination of acceptance and authentic love, embracing Anakin for all his flaws and darker, uglier secrets; this brings her to her demise, but we all know this isn't the fault of Anakin's, nor hers, it's fault of their society, his religion, and the institution that upholds these two social establishments, that told them they can't be together. George Lucas presents this story in a Shakespearean fashion, a clear modern embodiment of his great plays from Romeo & Juliet to Hamlet, which is cogent, dialectic and diagetic with the operatic presentation, tone, dialogue, acting, music and thematics of the dramatic, romantic tragedy that is the Prequel trilogy.
No it's Anakin fault he made the choice to turn to the dark side.
@@DiligoBarba you are right, it was Anakin's personal responsibility to turn to the dark side, No One else is to blame
@@DeathScepterTo say that only he is at fault when clearly multiple factors were at play; many that were out of Anakin’s hand, makes your claim simply wrong
@@DiligoBarbaA choice that he made while being trapped, restricted and manipulated. Don’t forget any of the circumstances that led to the situations
@lunar sure but after you've been in a couple relationships you should learn better. I can understand literal virgin Anakin being immature but Padme is like 10 years older, she should be an adult
Padme: There's still good in him I know it.
Kenobi: Girl, this was his SECOND genocide.....
Padme: Ok...I know that looks bad...but hear me out...uh...*dies of broken heart*
The only way I can make sense of Padme reacting the way she did to Anakin killing the sand people is that everyone kinda did see them as animals. If he slaughtered a whole village of humans I think it would have been a different reaction
It’s possible that moral and ethic codes were different in the Star Wars universe. Few people living on Tatooine viewed the Tuskens as anything more than savage creatures. Padme was indeed an icon for moral virtue, but it was mostly the Jedi who placed value on all forms of life.
Anakin’s moral dilemma wasn’t that he killed a tribe of Tuskens; most people living on Tatooine would have approved of such an otherwise heinous deed. His moral dilemma was that he gave into his anger and violated the values taught by the Jedi Order.
There are a lot of very successful people who have very messy romantic lives. I always just figured, with all Padme's responsibilities (which she carried from such a young age), she wanted to let loose with a "bad boy."
completely apart from that, he also happens to be one of the most physically attractive people in the galaxy
@@Belseroth
There are apparently exactly two types of people in the galaxy - Twilek harem or hopelessly underf***ed.
She’s just as crazy as he is
Your explanations on in this video make a lot of sense. They also explain why Ms. Portman acted so still in the first movie and more relaxed in later films. I think it also helps explain why she gave up the will to live when Anakin turned to the Darkside of the force. She felt she failed to help him become a better man.
She barely did anything to help; she just accelerated his fall
@@DLR1997 - 🤦🏽♀ 😂
If Padme lived, she would’ve gone down the same path as Betty from Adventure Time by going strait into crazytown in her attempts to bring Anakin back into the light
@@KaminoKatie which would ultimately fail
@@DLR1997 But momma didn’t raise no quitter, so Padme doubled down on it
I think another possibility I've seen mentioned, was that Padme was also afraid she'd never have anyone love her for HER, not her position of power. I kinda feel like her line "I'm not afraid to die." before she kisses Anakin in the arena, there was some unsaid "but I AM afraid I will never be loved for who I am"
But yeah, I agree. Both of them essenitally being robbed of REAL childhoods impacted who they became as young adults immensely. Their relationship was built on fear and attachment to each other, it was toxic from the start. WAS there some genuine, unconditional love underneath? Maybe. But was their relationship EVER healthy? Fuck no!
Also, minor correction, Anakin was 9 in TPM, not 10. THey have a 5 year age gap, not 4, but meh. It's still a little odd, sure it's not a BIG gap, but a 24 year old and a19 year old might as well be worlds apart. This would be someone who JUST recently graduated high school, and someone who (assuming they went to college shortly after HS) might be in their 3rd year of college.
Padme is just as crazy as Anakin
As a side note, well in term of relationship it's more that Young people (and not only young women) don't know what they want...and it's good this way, it's all part of the process of growing up and the appeal of the bad boy is usually more the aura of confidence (real or faked) that surround him. The problem here is that usually people have friends who can look after them or simply noticing the red flag for them or simply vent their frustration, instead Anakin and Padme had been forced by duty and the universe to grown up very fast, with hardly a support system and under constant pressure but at the same time they lacked a lot of social skill...letting them go on a 'vacation' alone and without supervision is basically asking for trouble
The SWVerse is too pussy to let all beings go on vacations
I think that " So the love has blinded you " piece of dialog in Rots explains both Padme and Anakin's situation really,they are both blinded by love.And Padme is already head over heels in love with Anakin by the time he kills the sand people.
Padme Amidala basically violated a cardinal rule in many corporations & government agencies: Having a relationship between the supervisor and the subordinate is off limits due to the difference of immediate station. Skywalker as a bodyguard answered to Amidala. Kenobi is not a saint here either. Obi-wan went into denial-mode when he lateraled Skywalker to Amidala. It demonstrates that the Jedi Order did not have a Human Resource department (and neither did the Naboo government).
Padme is just as crazy as Anakin
And that she dressed so provocatively certainly didn’t hurt
She’s just as crazy as he is
Just finishing up Thrawn Alliance book.
Red flag there. (***Spoilers Below***)
Thrawn warns Aniken and Padme that blowing up the mine can have a devastating effect on the planet and the locals. Aniken still is decided to blow it up.
Thrawn then tells Padme that he knows of how he feels for her and that she has to try and convince him otherwise... Padme's response is I know Aniken, it's impossible to change his mind when he is like this.
He proceeds to blow up the mine which caused a catastrophe, polluting the air, rivers, croplands making life so much worse for the locals...
Honestly an Empire ran by Grand Admiral Thrawn would be the most ideal thing to happen in the Starwars universe. Specially how it's clear the new republic is as incompetent as it is...
"Eh, no one is Perfect." - Cell
Padmé did not "ignore" the red flags, she went and embraced every single one.
Maybe after an alternate timeline Anakin made the Jedi kill each other Padme should rethink her life choices. Not making you agree buddy just thinking that the red flags suddenly make sense when you see someone who can instigate a civil war
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 The civil war had been brewing for millennia and needed a catalyst (Palpy) and a visible leader (Dooku). Anakin was but a (fantastic) soldier and (the best) military leader in the conflict who had many, MANY mental issues. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 O todavía te tratas de "usted" con el inglés y por eso tu respuesta no tiene sentido.
@@pedrovargas2181 I mean after that what if where Anakin made Jedi kill each other in a Civil War worse than what even Revan did do you think Anakin and Padme really deserve a happy ending?? Because worse than the canon fate of the Younglings he might have scarred them emotionally for life. Again not making you agree just giving some thoughts about what everything could have been. If both really deserve each other in the end or if in the end both are each other's load
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 Me mataste, sigo sin tener idea de si el tal "what if" existe siquiera ni menos qué historia se supone que cuente.
Como lo veo, la "relación" entre Padmé y Anakin funcionó porque apenas se veían y nunca tuvieron tiempo de convivir y pisarse los callos entre sí.
Alternate character interpretation: Padme was seriously into that. She wasn't as kind and innocent as she appeared. Mustafar was basically a roleplay gone terribly wrong when Obi-Wan interrupted.
"...and not just the men, the women, the children, their dogs, a few chickens and a well dressed goat man who went by the name: Satan. Those homeless droids, Jar Jar, ALL DEAD. I killed them all except the Walrus and the Carpenter!"
Yeah this line had all kinds of red flags.
It's true, I saw Obi-Wan at Costco last week. Cart just full of ramen. I'm kinda worried about that guy.
A couple things that struck me about the Ani-Padme relationship, having watched The Clone Wars recently. Padme has an almost self-rightous, and self centered, sense of morality. She will do something, regardless of how it affects those around her, if she thinks it is the right thing to do. Almost every adventure she had in the show went wrong because she was determined to do the 'right thing' regardless of the dangers or costs. A great example are the two Clovis arcs. Both times its while she's married, both times she can see it is leaving Ani hurt and terrified, both times it almost ends with her getting killed, but she still happily throws herself at Clovis, practically seducing the man...and then cockblocking him at the last second. She justifies manipulating both her husband and her former lover, twisting them into knots, in the name of "duty to the republic."
The second time she does it to such a degree that Ani (a trained jedi knight who can manage to keep his positivity and cool on the battlefield where thousands can end up dying around him, including clones who are personal friends) snaps so badly that he nearly beats a man to death for kissing his (secret) wife. At which point Padme, the one who engineered the entire situation, acts like she's the victim. She says she doesn't know who Ani is anymore...except she does. He's the guy who killed an entire tribe for torturing his mother to death and she presented him with a situation where either a) she was cheating on him, or b) she was being sexually assaulted/raped, and we all know Ani couldn't even handle the thought of her cheating, so of course he's going to default to the latter and react violently to that situation. What makes it worse is that Padme is wearing pretty much the same black dress for Clovis that she wore for Ani on Naboo...which is only further sending mixed signals to her husband.
Then of course there's Padme's attitude in AotC. She keeps drawing Ani in...then pushing him away. Providing him emotional comfort, dressing to impress and arouse, and then when he tries to move in, she shoves him away. Yet as soon as he starts drawing away, she does something to try and pull him back in. It's very manipulative, and it's being done to someone that Padme knows has no real emotional or psychological defense against such manipulations. It's something she does throughout their marriage during TCW as well. She gets mad at Ani for not being close enough to her, but when he tries to be close to her she pushes him back, only for her to beg him to come back when he draws away from her rejections, at which point she gets mad that he's pushing in too close and push him back.
Everyone likes to talk about how "why can't padme see the red flags about ani," but no one is talking about the red flags from padme.
I mean having a fist fight with Clovis was still not Anakin's best moment - if he genuinely thought Padme was in immediate danger of sexual assault he could have solved it with a single (non-lethal) force push.
What he actually did was far more like a possessive demonstration of ownership, protecting his "property" against a rival like two stags fencing with their antlers. Like, he very much knew everything Padme did was only acting (which is a shitty thing to put yourself into against the explicit wishes of your partner, don't get me wrong) yet he still made a point in demonstrating Clovis that he's the alpha male in the room.
Basically, she was selfish putting her work over her relationship and he had zero trust in her on multiple levels despite having no real reason to doubt her.
@@Alias_Anybody Except, he had every reason to doubt her.
A) he's a jedi, he can sense people's feelings, especially the feelings of those he is close to.
B)Padme clearly had feelings for Clovis the first time he showed up, and the second time he shows up Padme is absolutely happy to give Clovis the benefit of the doubt despite the fact he almost got her killed the first time he showed up. If you watch her, she still clearly has conflicting feelings for Clovis, ones that do lend themself to attraction because she was flirting with him, wearing a very sexy dress while they were alone together, and only really offered token resistance to his advances. She might have justified it as "completing the mission," but she is clearly feeling these things and Anakin can *feel* her having those feelings.
C) Despite the fact Clovis nearly got her killed once, and Anakin voicing his fully justified concerns about the mission, to the point where he even tries to demand she turn down the mission on account of his being her husband, Padme sails past every concern, worry, request, and finally demand, to go off and spend time with Clovis. All while he can *feel* her interest in Clovis and her dishonesty about her own desires.
So yeah, he had zero reason to trust her.
And then he walks in on them about to make out. He can *feel* the desires in Padme to stay true to him warring with her own mixed desires for Clovis. After all, Clovis can provide so much more for Padme than he can. Instead of a secret relationship (one which Padme had been chaffing at by this point), Clovis represents wealth, power, shared political interests, and someone she can be married to out in the open, start a family with that wouldn't cause a scandal, and even grow old and retire with. Clovis could provide Padme with all the things she desires deep down...and all the things Anakin can't and never will be able too. So he doesn't know if she's being assaulted...or cheating on him.
Remember, Anakin is seven levels of fucked up. He grew up a slave, spent his teens as a monk with everyone putting a ton of pressure on him, and has spent three years in an incredibly brutal war where warcrimes are the norm. He probably has so much PTSD from feeling thousands of clone troopers die, not to mention what he goes through with his own experiences, losing Asoka, that it's a wonder he doesn't put a blaster bolt through his head. All he knows is violence, so he responds violently. You can say it's "possessiveness about his property" but I don't think it was like that. I think it was he was faced with losing yet one more person he cared about, the last and most important, and he responded in the only way he knew how after all that time in the war. Kill the threat.
@@luciussvartwulf6630Dude you just made up all the Padme's motivation and feelings 😂she was just acting interested in front of Clovis the same way Anakin was acting and flirting with Zygerian Queen.
@@luciussvartwulf6630 sure that's interested in his wellfare, she is a good person, they left each others in good terms and while he clearly still harbour romantic feeling for her (honestly Anakin don't need to be a Jedi to see it) she stil see him as a good friend and person and a precious ally in trying to stop the war. Honestly i can't even fault Anakin for his behaviour, the Jedi eduction and lifestyle had basically stopped his relationship skill (at least on the romantic side) at the child/early teen ager level...he basically don't have the capacity to process jelousy and fear of competition
@@luciussvartwulf6630
I think we are just reading her character very differently. I think actually cheating on Anakin with Clovis was never even remotely on the table or considered as a possibility. It was all in Anakin's head.
Thought her being super friendly initially was genuine. I mean, we are talking about a girl who still saw "good in him" after being almost choked to death and him committing a genocide against people she knew. Do you really think she wouldn't be super bubbly and forgiving towards someone she had separated from amicably in the past, even if it was just a hookup or something? Even without playing a role that's just consistent with her personality.
Your explanation of this relationship made perfect sense and I guess we Star Wars fans never really understood Padme's position and how stressful it would be, both a queen and senator at a very young age
Also I had to do it but
Padme: "I can fix him, idk how but I can fix him" (Anakin)
This one goes out to all the "I can fix her" comments under Shin Hati photos.
Maybe Anakin was a great lay?
Lmao
Underestimate this aspect we must not.
On one hand I can't imagine anakin caring too much about her feelings, but on the other hand I bet you could do some amazing force tricks in bed
Growing up Padme was surrounded by two faced backstabbers and sycophants in politics. Anakin wore his heart on his sleeve and was genuine, in his own twisted way. I think that played a part in her attraction to him too.
Padme should’ve “fixed” Anakin after that love triangle affair between him and Rush Clovis when Anakin was beating the Bantha crap out of Clovis during that Banking Clan arc
If some dude is being a pig to your wife, you're gonna want to kick their ass, I get it. But do like one iconic momebt between a Brevard county judge and a public defender that gave said judge attitude and take it outside. She should've pimp slapped both of them into next year a la ChiChi from the Dragon Ball franchise. She would've gotten mad respect from both of them.
Off Camera she was getting that good D. Not to be flippant but Anakin was a big deal in their world. I would imagine she was swept up in the glamour of being in an illicit relationship with "the chosen one." Was she naïve or did she want to believe she could handle his darker impulses? And Because the relationship was more or less clandestine she didn't have anyone outside of herself to caution her about being in a potentially volatile relationship. Their Relationship is actually the darkest part of the Star Wars lore to me because it's almost a textbook abusive relationship.
I think that her attraction to him was a her thing, and not the old girls her age prefer bad boys stereotype. I think she had a rebellious streak that matched his as two people who had power thrust on them at an early age.
"I can fix him. " Story for the ages. 😏
I honestly couldn't care less about Star Wars anymore, but you still somehow make videos I want to watch. Amazing work, bro.
Actutally, In the Darth Plaguies novel, Palpatine meets young Padme and basically tells her dad that she should run for office because she will definetly beat the guy who is trying to rerun in the election. He thinks to himself that she would be a stoic yet moldable leader.
actually the easy none stressful child hood is the recent thing. Children not being traumatized .. or at least taking more responsibility is unnatural thing. Maybe less responsibility makes children more subseptable to trauma
There is some truth to that. Actual trauma only ever makes things worse, but if you can handle the hardship, it makes you stronger and able to handle more hardship in the future without becoming traumatized.
@@samueldimmock694 i didnt say it was good . I said it was unnatural . Its just your used to the appeal to nature. Same humans in avatar . Were bad guys. And Akan actually said if pushed to believe Think a certian wat he gets curious about the other side. Apparently not on issues of Russia and Ukrain.
She is literally the I can fix him person
I think we have a misconception of the relationship nowadays. It's not about find perfect person, but become better together. Anakin had problem with mental health, but it doesn,t make him toxic. His relationship with Padme was good. Before his fall, he never think that he done right thing, after his rage. He always stopped when Padme told him to do this. If they started a normal life together on Naboo, they would be happily married for the rest of their lives. Their marriage wasn't problem, problem was environment. War, policy, jedi, Palpatine, it was too much for Anakin. Of course Anakin had a lot of fault, but it doesn't make him bad husband. He had toxic relationship with Palpatine, Jedi Order and Obi-Wan, but not with his wife. Han was criminal and scoundrel, and I've never heard that Leia ignore red flags.
So the cultures who scold people for overlooking red flags are wrong?? If so then Peru should have a word with you
Being imperfect is one thing, and being harmful/toxic is another. While Anakin was initially messy, but not toxic, slowly, under the Jedi council's wrong direction, Palpatine's manipulative influence, and all the tragedy happening with him, and lack of any real emotional maturity cuz the council sucks ass at emotion management, all they can teach is bottling your feelings up, he started to become toxic- arrogant, life-threateningly reckless, whiny, and eventually, violently impulsive. If you partner literally admits to killing the space equivalent of tribal people, and not just the men, but the women and the children too (people meme the line to death but him killing defenseless women and children is what makes his act truly irredeemable imo), you at the very least start keeping some distance from them, and seriously reconsider if they won't explode on you the way they did on others, whether they're even someone who can be a good life partner.
Instead Padme was completely unfazed and even enabled him (said "to be angry is to be human" but left out the "letting your anger spill onto others so badly you hurt them is inhuman"), and even after that she stays with him, willing to give him a chance even after he murdered children AGAIN.
I always thought the scene where Padme and Anakin talk about the Tusken raider massacre so out of place. This would've been a great opportunity to have him not tell her or anyone else (except for Palatine later). He could have had this as a major secret that he deeply regrets, and his grappling with his actions could've been part of his fall to the dark side. It could've been revealed to her later in episode 3, and have been part of the building confrontation between them.
To play Sith's Advocate;
Tusken Raiders, are... well, raiders. And the little she knows about Tattooine doesn't exactly dispel any of those thoughts. Since the times of A New Hope, we see Luke carry a rifle all cause he was heading near Tusken territory.
Sure we see a few decent Tuskens but, they're often portrayed as savages. And any attempt to save Shmi led to other people getting hurt or dying. Padme doesn't really see or hear anything positive about them, doesn't even know what kinda species they are, so Anakin slaughtering a whole tribe of them doesn't hit nearly as hard as it would've had he killed anyone else.
1:37 Palpatine is a shipper on deck toward Anakin and Padme's romance, lol
For all of the wrong reasons xD.
Too sad. Padme was the absolute beauty queen of Star Wars franchise. I mean in my eyes.
Good casting but I am bias towards Natalie Portman 😊
@@francisman60her smile is something else
@@francisman60 We are on the same page than :)
Anakin was a slave his entire life, even after being "freed" by the Jedi. Padme lived a guarded, rigidly structured life; with very few actual freedoms. In each other, they found something that they had always been denied: a sense of autonomy.
She thought she could change him. Or was blind by love
Or she’s just as crazy as he is
@@KaminoKatieor all of it.
So sad it took her life, blindly in love.
I don't think Padme ignored the red flags. I think she reallysaw the good in him in spite of what he did.
Children grow up fast in the Star Wars universe. I guess that's part of living in a space faring society.
As soon as Padmé got knocked up she contracted the Skywalker whininess. She stopped being a badass independent woman. She became an emotional wreck
Why I can sum that up in a few words “she needs therapy”
Hey also, I’m sure Jedi had a glamorous and celebrity effect to non-Jedi. This can lead to more reasons to rationalize staying with Anakin.
Also to note I think she's decent enough with a blaster and didn't hesitate to pop off on some Geonotian's, she has some idea of what a real fight is when consoling him about the Raiders. I don't know if Geonotia was before or after that but it's made clear she understands battle as well as politics, and probably has a little more rage in her assassination attempts than she might let to the surface. Something to consider in her sympathy... Would she have the same need for revenge if faced with her captive assassinators, along with their families who in her mind may have been co-conspirators? In the right circumstance I think it's possible🎉
She was a deadeye gunslinger all the way back in the Battle of Naboo, popping heads off battle droids with ease.
YEah we talk about Ashoka being basically a child soldier but also Padme has been around battle and fought for her life and the freedom of his planet from a very young age, it's clear in the Prequel and in the CW series that's she is not afraid to use a blaster and that has killed before (not in cold blood but in self defense)
@@lukedalton If God Killer Vegito went to SW, he'd force her to train to kill cold-heartedly for better or worse because denying her darkness would infurtiate the Potara Saiyan because such shitty leniency according to Vegito allowed so many extremist gods to live and ruin many lives in ways the Tusken would be proud and jealous of
Padme was definitely thinking she could fix him
He was the chosen one. 😅
Keep up the great work
Seriously, there were so many red flags that should have sent Padme running for the fucking HILLS!
Padme might’ve been a competent politician and leader. But she was still very young. She was 14 during TPM, 24 in AOTC and 27 when she died. You can be a prodigy in many fields but still naive in the ways of the world. She didn’t have much experience in interpersonal relationships, especially romantic ones. That’s why most victims of abusive relationships are in their teens and early twenties; because they don’t know what to watch out for.
Solution: be born in the woods. There you can avoid even abusers and cheaters
Great topic on this one, great analysis
I always saw the red flags among the jedi when it came to kids. You explained everything in great detail
I'm just going to dump a bunch of jokes about this in here.
In short, Padme would be a user of r/fuckingfascists
If you read the novelization of episode 2 before that kiss Padme has a internal monolog where she says "you know what, fuck it"
Anakin: "well maybe they should be made to" Padme:"By you daddy?"
Anakin:"well maybe they should be made to" Padme:"I can fix him"
Padme to her friends: "What are you talking about, him? a fascist? He's just really religious" Anakin in the background: "I have brought peace, freedom, justice to my new empire"
The clones seems like the might make great Jedi if they had the force
Love has blinded her lol
I love that little pixel frame in the background
I mean look at him plus he has that combination of innocence and bad boy charm. That and as people said he seemed genuine, open about his flaws and he did care about her as person not queen or senator.
But they failed because no therapy was found. I like Rogue and Gambit better because THEY had the guts to figure it out without fear unlike Anakin and Padme. Pretty sure the Southern belle mutant would call Padme a pussy for not doing enough and Anakin for almost murdering Padme after what Clovis did
"I can fix him"
Seen it in this movie/Game of Thrones and others… One person says let’s just leave and go away and you can be together… But they always say no, and it always ends badly… People just have to have their power and position instead of being happy
Padme Red Flag #1. Flirting with a 9 year old.
Now I get why it was creepy.
It always seemed a contradiction for Padme to have such empathy for others (her "relief effort" work) and not have much empathy for the killing of the Sand people. I figure she became so blinded by love or blinded by the infatuation of an incredibly talented Jedi, that she choose to excuse that terrible side of Anakin.
Sand people act subhuman. That mild hyperbole but they’re disgustingly evil IF they’re capable of sapient thought at all.
Didn't the Sand people just kidnap and torured Shmi for no reason, and all the rescue attempts resulted in more deaths. Why would She have empathy for people that, as far as she knew, were going around pillaging, attacking, kidnapping, torturing and killing people. She had no connection with the raiders, but she had with Anakin who just lost his mom in a brutal fashion
@@lordvastor98 it's the killing of women and children that I think would have shocked Padme; given that's there's rarely a justification for that. But she does want to help Anakin in his pain and grief; so nothing else matters to her at that point.
@@TheRumblewagonI'd imagine she did see that but understood in a way. I doubt someone like padme would just throw him to the Jedi especially if she had feelings for him. She'd try to help first
@@lordvastor98The Tuskens are literally nothing more than racist caricatures of North Africans
So if Padme ended up leaving Anakin for Clovis, it will only make things worse? Not only that job and relationship become each other's synonym for Padme but Aankin most likely will fall to the Dark Side right in a middle of the Clones Wars, depriving Darth Sidious of his new apprentice as a result.
In the ROTS novelization it goes into her mind, where she basically watches Ani sleep and thinks that because he's so protective and would do anything for people he loves, he's like, so awesome.
"Anakin. Lets just be friends."
- Padme Amidala -
Sounds like my sister all her relationships are chaotic
My good sir, I'd ignore all the red flags if the man looked like Hayden Christensen. You're welcome.
This is a really interesting take on Padmé and Anakin's relationship. I've never taken the time to really analyze Padmé's side of things.
You'd be surprised the things you will put up with. When you're young and in love. George did great on the prequels. Padme would want the security of a strong Jedi man who loves her (more possibly). Even tho he was immature at times. They were both young.
I can just hear Dennis Murphy's voice. "Most people when they hear their bodyguard admit genocide they run away, you didn't do that did ya?" 😂
thank god I watched the dub version of the part where he talked about killing cause damn the voice actor salvaged this part like a champ
Had Anakin had Qui Gon And Shmi around to guide him from TPM to AOTC i could see them showing Anakin how to love in a healthy way something that The other Jedi failed to do yeah.
My theory is that people in the Star Wars universe considered the tuscan raiders as less than. They considered more like dogs than people. So, while Padme could have seen it as a bad thing, it is possible that she didn’t see it as the same thing as killing a person. Also I can understand the need for revenge on the people who killed your mom. If a group of people killed your mom you probably would want to get revenge on them too, at least at first. I think it’s possible that Padme understood Anakin’s hurt and his wanting to get revenge on those people, and she therefore comforted him.
Ultra Vegito the God Killer wants to pretend you didn't say that because to him even animals are mortals and killing mortals would set him off and kill Anakin without hesitation. Anakin may be a God to the eyes of Vegito and Gods must die
Who is vegito?!