Al Snow on Dante Martin Injury at ROH Supercard of Honor
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2023
- Al Snow discusses with Vince Russo and Jeff Lane the injury suffered by Ring of Honor wrestler Dante Martin of Top Flight during the Reach for the Sky Ladder Match after a Canadian Destroyer from Penta El Zero Miedo from Supercard of Honor 2023. Clip from Lions, Tigers, Bears & Head (Apr. 7, 2023) on Vince Russo's The Brand at ChannelAttitude.com
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Al you thought you were so great just because you could hit a moonsault. If you were wrestling today, you'd be doing what you always did. Lying on your back, counting the lights, doing the J.O.B. Pin you, pay you.
Found the dumb ass AEW mark. Do yourself a favor and kiss Tony 'the cokehead mark with a billionaire daddy' Khan's ass some more. Fans like you are the dumbest kind of wrestling fans and really bring a bad reputation to the business, not that it's been damaged enough by Tony the mark and AEW already. Most of the roster couldn't tie Al's bootlaces to save their life.
Keywords "pay you". That's literally all that matters. Al made more money than Dante ever will and without doing dumb shit like this
In today's world, Al would be making hard merch dollars off of one silly gimmick or another, see Danhausen or Bray Wyatt for proof. The man has always had a great mind for the business and he would excel amongst the low IQ midget industry of today.
Nah if Al was wrestling today he’d still be smart enough not to take ridiculous bumps like that, especially when working with rums that can’t work
@@Spooky_515 I know it’s a typo, but it’s appropriate because they must be drinking too much “rum” 😏🍺
Jim cornette always says" in today's wrestling, there are more marks in the ring than there are in the stands." That's one thing he is right about
He’s also right about Kenny Olivier and the Hardly Boys
Al Snow is one of those people in wrestling that I can listen to for hours. He's intelligent and his stuff makes sense.
That's why he's arguably one of the best trainers in the business. And if I'm not mistaken, he still runs OVW.
@@8Bitorbust He owns it.
@@EmoEmu Of course. Makes perfect sense.
@Jason Taylor They have a pretty damn good youtube show from his training facility, btw. Wrestling that makes sense.
Dante almost killed himself for a "this is awesome" chant.
What bothers me the most is that what Dante had going for him was his ability to jump really high and his agility
And now it's all over he would NEVER be the same again
Why because of a cheap Pop these guys don't listen when the vets talk to them and now look
Absolutely agree.
He was known also for being an idiot kid, and apparently that attribute was bigger than all others I’m afraid.
Except he's still doing everything he did before when he came back lol.
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often to be honest. Crazy stuff, all for an audience of 1 (meltzer).
AEW has sooooo many near misses, someone is going to seriously hurt themselves or worse
@@exiaR2x78 It's been happening from the beginning and it's only going to get worse.
But my biggest issue. What is the deal or obsession with trying to impress a guy who has never set foot in a ****ing wrestling and is pretty much a carnie. He's made a generation of wrestling fans complete idiots.
@@8Bitorbust I zoned out of AEW after I saw Sammy try to kill Matt Hardy on 2 occasions. Sloppy shop.
Remember Fenix's elbow dislocation?
Al Snow is always the voice of reason
While Head is just a voice in Al's mind
@@danielreynolds4716 WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT?
Al Snow dropping knowledge on how to set up a spot and have it make sense. Thank you, Mr Snow. 👏👏👏
All that just to put a smile on the 5 star mark crowd
Dante will never be able to wrestle the same again.
He will be lucky to wrestle again at all. Yes he is young but with a injury like that, he it will change the way he moves in general. He will never be the same.
He's literally doing the same moves he's done since he's came back lol.
He’s fine. Modern medicine is crazy. But he will eventually mess himself up so bad that he can’t wrestle anymore. Unless he takes some good advice.
Al makes very good points! His high flying days are done with an injury like that
1:29 his days walking normal are done… damn hate to see that happen. AEW needs to stop with the constant spot fest
Happens to every performer, they’ll eventually get injured and have to change the way they perform afterwards
@@Abel646 not everyone suffers an injury that horrific. Hell, some stay healthy their entire careers.
@@MrBallerbjoel Like who? I don't know a single wrestler that was never out with an injury.
@@imsljr420 you don't know the history injury of everyone. RVD remains healthy to this day, never had any serious injuries at all.
I imagine that the insurance premiums in AEW and ROH have got to be through the roof
They are independent contractors they have to pay for their own insurance
@@joemixon834 Didn't TK from the start say something about insurance for full time workers?
@@icantbelieveitsnotbutter8851 For employees ( Bucks) not wrestlers, that was a lie.
@@moralesharold87Yes exactly
Al deserves to be a writer man seriously, I loved how he described what should of happened between penta vs Dante
I agree 100% with pretty much everything Al said here. He hit the nail right on the head
I love that the last word from AL Snow here in HEAD!!!
He's loves getting and giving it
I broke my leg twice and that was hard to watch. I have bolts and screws in one leg. I hope he can come back it's gonna be a long road to recovery
It's a horrible thing to happen. I was lucky to avoid pins etc but I have broken my ankle on 3 occasions. All that has happened is that my ankle is weak and has a habit of turning on itself more often now. I only have 1 tendon left holding it together. This young man has a long recovery time with issues for life after it.
@Chris I know what you mean I was in an accident where my vehicle rolled over 3 times the the 1st time I broke my left leg. About 3 years ago I got run over. And the same leg Got injured pretty bad and it's taken about two years to get a assembly of Being back to normal. Here's the kicker i'm in a wheelchair Because I was born with cp. Something I learned through time is that it doesn't matter How many times do you get knocked down But how many times you choose to get backup And I'm sure Dante Martin. We'll give it all he has like we did. Thanks for sharing your story
Never broken my, but I severely dislocated my right ankle in high school like Jason Kendall did. I still have issues with it and when I run to this day, 30yrs later my ankle clicks and swells up twice the size. Watching this gives me the same vibes as watching Sid breaking his leg.
the marks are in the ring
They treat matches like a video game, not like actual pro wrestling
Yup, and people snigger at safe wrestlers in their 40’s…and this kids career is basically over because he wanted to impress 700 homeless people at z list show no one watched.
@@lukesablade "ROH" is essentially AEW Dark Elevation mark 2.
@@chrissymc886Basically lol it’s essentially another avenue for Khan to bait the marks into paying for the same exact product AEW is.
@@hector4470 more flips even less substance.
He should have lit his leg on fire and called the spot “Dante’s Inferno!” Would have made just as much sense.
I miss ground based wrestling. I believe the pendulum will swing back one day.
Mjf and punk were bringing it back but the bucks put an end to that
@@wilabanodeniro9780 If punk could move fluidly he’d be a candidate to bring it back, since he botches even walking straight, we need anyone but him.
Unfortunately it's gonna take a high profile injury/death at a main event finale to get them to all realise "what the f- are we doing?" and break their shared delusion.
Great discussion. I feel really bad for Dante he had such a bright future in professional wrestling and now his whole life just changed. he was amazing kid to watch I've never seen no one with his type of athletic ability in wrestling go down in flames so very fast this is very so sad and to be so young dang it.
For the longest time, I thought Sid had the worst ankle injury. Dante proved me wrong.
it's the same.
Did you guys see the dude who had compound fractures in both legs. It was some backyard thing but OMG it was horrifying.
@@8Bitorbust you talking about the fat guy who jumped off the turnbuckle and both his knees dislocated? If I remember right, it was so bad, he was at risk for amputation.
@@8Bitorbust That guy turned into one of them aliens from the Arrival...
Sids leg turned into a kickstand... Dantes ankle was turned around and flopping inside the skin...
This is the most sense I've ever heard about anything.
All Hogan had to do was cup an ear, man. 😅 These guys are brutally splatting themselves for golf claps. 😬 I think it's crazy that even Snoop Dogg seems to get it better.
golf claps from a bunch of cult like weirdos 😂
Hogan can barely walk and has had multiple hip surgeries due to the big leg drop ...
@@nicholasbrown4109 yea but at least Hogan was able to wrestle into his 50s some of these kids are gonna be retired by the time they're 40 if not sooner
@@nicholasbrown4109 none of which prevented him working much longer than most. He was in the ring with prime Brock Lesnar in his 50s. 😅 You're too much.
@@nicholasbrown4109 and Dante wouldn't even walk the same way again in his 30s lol
The thing I find funny is how these moron indy marks is the one thing Bischoff, Cornette and Russo all agree about haha
That kid had talent... unfortunately he wasn't trained properly ... like al said he'll never ever be the same after an injury like that..and good on al for calling out Dave meltzer...it's disgusting to work for a five star match ...fn gross!
I think the Jeff hardy ladder match he's talking about is the wrestlemania 23 money in the bank ladder match
Yes where he puts edge through the ladder on the outside
Yeah and he jumped off of that ladder when he could’ve took the briefcase!! While Matt was holding edge waiting for Jeff to jump. I get Kennedy was the winner in that match but man I think Jeff should’ve went into business for himself and got the briefcase down.
JBL even called Jeff out on commentary and said “win the damn match Jeff!” 😂
Jeff literally made a by “ living in the moment “ dude had so many opportunities to win a match but he got to live in the moment. By the way I’m a huge Jeff hardy fan
You’d think after so many injury’s to both him and his brother that they would switch up their style
They can't. They are one trick ponies
There high flyers why would they ????
That's like saying Rey Mysterio needs to change 🤣
Al is brilliant in this... 100% spot on. I will say this when it comes to wrestling less is more! Bottom line! These wrestlers are now circus performers doing dangerous stunts with no psychology to please a fanboy named Meltzer. That's wrestling today folks!
I respect Al snow he always knows what he’s talking about when it comes to wrestling 💯
7:10 says it all. Remember those spots Vikingo was doing? It didn't change the world, it didn't change the business.
They are just having matches at this point and none of them will we remember
WTF!!! Two table stack on two other tables, then a ladder balancing on a rope on another ladder, then a move that requires both performers to pull it off perfectly. This was a shit show for a high chance of injury. Poor stability on the ladder, then the tables can't take the full impact, since the legs are on a weak surface, sliding and shit. Also, them being high on the ladder on the rope, plus a flip they can't calculate...*face palm*
I love how Vince couldn’t watch the injury (and I don’t blame him!) He’s too pure for this earth. 😂
I wish I didn't see it
@@malcolmvenious2444 Oof, same
Me too. I've broke both my ankles and they started to hurt the moment I saw it.
Gotta say I love Jeff repping the N7 hat. I get the urge to replay ME1 literally every time I see him on camera haha
I don't mind wrestlers taking risk to make a iconic moment but that spot was just sloppy and dumb as hell and now Dante Martin killed his momentum.smh
That Mass Effect hat makes you a real one Jeff
Big facts 🦾
I remember Kevin Nash said that hulk hogan once told him no reason to go crazy brother they all ready pay to see it
Al Snow is a pro-wrestling sage. The man does not get enough credit.
He’s always given great advice and it’s unfortunate that young talent doesn’t pay attention enough to people like him who know what they are talking about.
I am still recovered from a similar injury. Al is 100% correct. I feel for the guy. 😔
Al snow was just the perfect example of constructive criticism. Instead of just ranting about the clouds lol
When I saw that, I was wondering why in God's name would anyone do a bump like that? I recall ecw days and wonder if anyone bothered learning lessons from then. It's just stupid imo to take those kind of bumps and you get nothing out of it.
That took 20 years off his bump card. We can expect an early retirement for Dante because of his stupid antics and Tony is to blame for allowing this to happen. Say what you want about Vince, he restricted certain moves and spots after Attitude era which potentially saved the careers of many wrestlers for that same reason (well, tbh just to make more money off them so they don't spend time out injured or injuring others)
@@codesm96 I’d say the AEW lockeroom needs to put a stop to this. Jericho and Omega need to get the boys together and say enough is enough, no more extreme risks multiple times a night when it’s not even a ppv. No more praying at the alter of meltzer. If they don’t it’s only a matter of time before someone else suffers another life altering injury or worse.
For a holy shit
Holy shit
@@Spooky_515 the thing is Jericho legitimately doesn't care, he's there for the paycheck. The lack of change in the last almost 4 years is proof of that, Omega on the other hand is a part of the problem and encourages the spotfests. That's his and youngbucks style. Their best bet was Regal and according to Pillman Jr only a handful of guys ever went to him for advice.
@@1KQ_Nailed it the veterans in AEW have now become a part of the problem. None those veterans have stepped up and told Khan that he needs to fix these problems it’s honestly sad as hell to see.
He got Anderson silvad, Connor mcgregored and weidmaned but in a fake fight with ladders and tables higher than the ladders.
The moves an ahit is not fake. The matches are predetermined yes but all the physical stuff is real dum dum
@@BrianJohnsonArmwrestling dnt bother, people like these hate wrestling yet still go in wrestling comment sections just so we can acknowledge they like UFC lol
At first I thought it was an injury to his back or neck. Thank God it was not. Still it is a horrible injury and hope Dante gets well soon and hope is not in pain.
Al Snow said it the best. Very wisely put.
i have had the same type of injury as Dante, not as brutal, but it did change my life. I now have 7 screws in my left foot and ankle and can not run, jog, skip rope or walk without a limp. I've lost the ability to work as carpenter anymore and am now a security guard. I went through severe depression, so I realize what Dante may be going through. I feel for you my friend, but eventually, the sun will rise again, and you'll find your happiness once more.
Jeff Hardy is a key example why these shouldn’t do huge spots all the time the man is always hurting from all those high spots
What about Mick 'Jack Foley' Foley?! (*Jack Foley being his most well-known character)
bro us aew fans are just as sad and after seeing this and listening to how bad he's hurt, I'm downright sad. I like aew because of the crazy stuff they do and it makes it easier for me to watch cause I know I'm going see something crazy, every match but if toning it down saves our wrestlers why not. this is really a bummer
Aew needs to stop with these ridiculous spots. It's all for nothing. And those dangerous moves are being done so recklessly. It's awful
They have to tone this stuff down. Wrestling is dangerous enough.
Al voiced the same sentiments I had toward the spot. It was completely unnecessary for the 'plot' of the match. THE ONLY thing I could see justifying it is that Top Flight looked closed to winning at a couple points. It was done for the pop of the crowd. Neither wrestler is at fault for this. I've seen Penta pull of spectacular moves throughout his career and to my knowledge has never hurt anyone. Dante just overshot the table(s) by a small bit and used his legs to catch his fall instead of the tables cushioning the drop.
It's not just about the title they take risks to leave the fans mesmerized even if they leave on a stretcher true stunt devils❤😮
Al's 100% right!
This is not a breakdown of the injury, this is a masterclass in wrestling psychology
Unfortunately, wrestlers that use video game logic will learn the hard way why these spots are stupid.
Shane blew out his quad on a leap frog....Big E broke his neck on a suplex.
@@michaeluhlir9009 That's a great way to justify doing these dumbass spots with zero reward 😂😂
@@scottcoval7547 thank you I thought so myself
I want to wish Dante Martin well that injury looked crazy sometimes when I see some of these extreme spots I'm like slow it down.
Agree 💯 AL. Safety first and no reward for this bump period!!!!
💯
Friend of mine had an ankle broken, it's fine now but now certain movements trigger pain on it.
I agree with everything snow said. However even in the scenario he gives where in desperation he wants to basically take Dante out of the match, doing a Canadian destroyer off the ladder to the outside through 4 tables was a ridiculous spot to try and pull off. Dante’s lucky it was his leg that snapped because if he’d have hit the tables before rotating and landed on his head when they hit the floor it could been even worse
AEW doesn't have drug testing or concussion protocol either. They'll never know if their talent are self medicating because they're in pain or working with injuries.
Oh his ankle is snapped
I can somewhat understand why people take the big risks for a perceived big show. Still too risky but you can understand the motivation. It’s when they do shit like this at tiny shows where they make no money where it’s really wild
Every damn thing Al said was on the💵💵💵💵💵
These guys can only play the odds so long before something like this happened.. Frankly i'm surprised it doesn't happen far far more often. There are way too many gimmick matches, and way too many unnecessary risks, and zero psychology. These kids are risking life altering injuries for a spot the fans will forget within a 2 days.
All those crazy moves, still can’t get 900k people to tune in.
Because Khan doesn’t understand that people especially casual viewers don’t care for cold matches that people will forget instantly. Characters/personalities along with great stories & feuds is what draws people in.
It was Bret Hart that said:
You should be able to have a physical match but be able to shower and drive home.
I'm no wrestler just a 90s fan but Jesus Christ that's been lost on today's wrestlers & fans.
Dante lives on the IR list doing this flippity do da BS.
This is awesome this is awesome this is awesome
The this is awesome fans the fight forever fans,the holy shit fans who rather see high flying spots than to see someone win a match
Completely agree with the belt grab thing. That's something that's missing in wrestling alot today. These guys do a lot of cold "spots" and finishes. Reminds me of starks vs Sammy recently, Sammy won with a roll up, there was no build up what so ever to that finish and it was so cold it killed the match they had. There was no wrestling exchanges and a build up of the lucky pin and there was no finisher struggle to build up the "pin him any means necessary" angle. These guys don't build up their finishes at all.
My only argument for someone taking a risk instead of going directly for a win is because the heel got so much heat on the face that the face would rather demolish the heel so bad that they can’t get up but obviously this wasn’t that.I bet there wasn’t even a build to this match. That big risk spot should only happen once a year for your hottest fued
His career is not over. Unfortunately, Dante Martin is off 📴 for recovery for months. I have zero problems with bumps, but it should be about psychology. Oh yes, go for the title belts not a high spot.
Ask Brian Pillman about how high flying can get with that type of injury
Unless the dude actually learns how to wrestle, cut a promo and gain a personality then yeah is career is basically over because he'll never be able to jump the same way again and jumping high was his ONLY ability.
Agreed. Psychology is no 1. High spots are like explosions in movies, it's awesome when it makes sense.
First time i agree with Al all the way
The risk today, with most wrestlers are far more greater. These move sets, put the risk factor through the roof. Zero storytelling and insane stunts
I am not impressed with Dante. I deleted AEW from recording weekly on my DVR. One less viewer because he thought he’d be ok with one less ankle.
The only thing I disagree with is he'll never be the same. Basketball players break ankles and recover.
Al sounds like he's been drinking cheap whiskey and smoking Marlboro Red cigarettes since he was 12yo
I could have told you what Al was going to say before I clicked on this video lol
He’s absolutely right.
Gnarly, poor kiddo
Al said it best
Lets not forget how stuff like that leaves nothing for the rest of the guys to do
And on top of that, there's guys out there doing slow motion or fighting invisible guys, basically telling the world that it's all b.s. anyway.
It's so selfish and stupid. I can't have sympathy for these goofs anymore.
Looks like the infamous Sid leg break
Rational Wise Snow
I don't think I've ever had an injury in wrestling absolutely infuriate me the way this one did. Dante was extremely green, but with his athleticism, he had something special. He had something you cannot teach, and something you cannot replace. With enough time and the proper training he could have had a great career in the wrestling business. That's gone now, because with this injury, he will never be the same. This stupid stunt will follow him for the rest of his life. All Tony Khan had to do was put him with some responsible professionals who could teach him how to use his gift, but instead he put him with some indie jerk offs that talked him into doing something stupid. Dante may wrestle again, but his potential is gone. I hold Tony Khan responsible for that, along with pentagon. He's been in the business long enough to know better than to do stupid s*** like that
You don't know the future, he can be not only the same but better than ever. Only time will tell.
I agree with about 98% of what Al says here, but there is one thing that's "iffy" and that's him saying you can't hold the producer or agent responsible. If the producer is the one who told them to do the spot, I say you can 100% hold them responsible. If they DIDN'T, then no, you can't hold them responsible.
If my boss told me to do something and I did it, but it didn't pan out the way they wanted it to, that's not on me for doing it, that's on my boss for telling me to do it. Now if I did something that my boss didn't okay first and it didn't pan out, then that's on me.
Vince Russo fan. Finally something in my algo. Just do what Jim’s doing cuz it works
I appreciate that they want to entertain us but they need to exercise some kind of self preservation with these stunts, it's still just a job when it's all said and done.
When will he be back and wrasstlin?
Injuries happen. Doesnt mean a whole style of wrestling has to go away. People like that shit and they put their bodies on the line willing to fill that desire to watch
Russo really trying hard to comprehend what Al is saying.
Lmao struggling frfr
Dante Martin broke his leg taking a flipping piledriver through a table that barely popped 4K people.
Rey Mysterio’s wife slapped her jackass son in the face and 75K people lost their minds for it.
Which scenario does pro wrestling better??? And the answer ain’t the one booked by Jacksonville Dixie
Facts
And when rey took off his belt to beat dominick too
Could not agree more Al! The high risk stuff looks cool but is it really worth it to the guys doing it? Hell no! It’s not needed to have a great match and tell a story. One of the best matches I had seen in years was on RAW between Shawn Michaels and Shelton Benjamin. No high risk stuff, just a damn good wrestling match. I would rather see a match like that than one that’s all bloody and full of the floppy high risk shit any day!
Really i think it was more like 'whyd u put them tables there just to not use them?' Type of issue or question that got asked at that point in the match, more than just taking a high risk for no real reason but wanting it to look cool.
U can sorta see pentagon seems to call the spot seeing the unused tables. It was rushed, prolly called on the spot, and prolly improvised based solely off 'hey we still got these tables they set up, itll confuse and or annoy some of the audience the fact they were not used, so lets use them now n then wrap up.'
Al Snow sounds like Kane
it was so unfortunate... AEW has talented wrestlers and all the things needed to be successful but they are sorely wrestling psychology. They seem to be more focused on big flashy moves and not telling a story. If they could figure out how to continue to tell the story in the ring (you can still do the moves just in a way that makes sense to the story) AEW could be so huge. The biggest bummer to me is I LOVE the Lucha Bros. They are so talented. I've had a gruesome ankle injury myself and can tell you it took me well over a year to heal and 3 weeks after being "cleared" it blew out again just walking down the stairs and was another year and a half journey. That was 10 years ago and it still hurts today.
I hear no lies.
ouch
There’s no way Dante will be able to wrestle full time again. Not after an injury like that. It just looks like an injury that’ll never completely heal.
Al snow is too based for this world
Do you lose or gain a Meltzer Star ⭐ for breaking a limb during a match? 🤔
Shawn Michael's did a splash on Ramone at WM 10 off the ladder - but some how it worked - because Michaels was the show stopper and the arrogant heel in the match - so for that moment it paid off - performers are doing it so much today , that it means nothing and goes against the concept of winning. Lesnar did the 4.50 splash at WM 19 on Angle - these spots are special once in a while although dangerous. but today's wrestling is a series spot fests.
The moment I saw them start this spot I literally said NO NO NO because I knew it was a pointless spot and then Dante got injured