I bought my first synthetic feder a little while ago, and while I do want to partake I can't say I want to until there are better gloves and masks on the market.
Me. I just watch because I'm fascinating by the history of ancient weapons and warfare. It's fascinating to watch his about weaponry and ancient fighting methods. I myself have never held a sword, have no intention or interest in trying one or getting into HEMA - i am merely a fascinated observer :)
Haven't fenced in years, but it's always interesting to listen to someone expound on a subject which they understand deeply. I quite enjoy your channel, Shallagrim.
We use Red Dragon gloves a lot at EHMS, that is the HEMA club in Espoo, Finland. The y are our go-ro gloves for one-handed sword use, because they allow so much more flexibility, and a smaller blade doesn't require as much protection. However, if you are using a longsword or other two-handed swords, you can only use these for light sparring. Other remarks: really cheap, but will not last as long as other gloves (but that's not a huge issue, because of the said price), quite flexible, do not hinder movement as much as many other gloves. So, very much like the lacrosse gloves, but way better protection; still, do NOT use with two-handed swords.
+tetsubo57 Those fiends! Plotting the downfall of us all, like sinister puppeteers! Also, a question to you, unrelated to the topic of this video is: Where do you get all of your gaming books? Because many of your books are hard copies (I don't know how many PDFs you have, but I suspect it is a large number) and I doubt that many gaming books even exist where I live. I'd have to empty every second hand and hobby store of all of their gaming stock before I had a comparable amount. Although... Then I would have a vast amount of product that would be in high demand... Hmmm....
i use the mitten sparringgloves model and as you say i think theyre a lot more protective. not just from thrusts going into the gap but the shell of the glove is also much more reinforced. ive seen people take direct hits on the hand with the hoof model and it injured them quite badly because with the split it means the glove can give more and compress with a hard hit. But i think they're the best gloves for hema
Me and my brother use Red Dragon ones. They are like lacrosse gloves yes, but they have overlapping plates on the fingers. They are good for a beginner but you can't do too much with the blade, as they are somewhat bulky and limit how well you can actually move your hand. They are also smaller than other gloves in that they don't extend past the wrist, leaving the forearm exposed.
Skallagrim, that material sparring gloves are made of is rubber kind of thing that is used for shoe outsoles (which is called styroguma in polish - not sure about translation though). Basically you could get them in most of the stores with shoemaker supplies and make those gauntlets on your own for just fraction of the price. The wrist is made out of cordura nylon and plastic plates sewn inside. Also, the wrist is not really much of a weakspot if you bunch the glove up a bit, so the plates overlap. It doesnt inhibit the movement much and definitely increases protection.
I've been using the Gdansk / Hoof sparring gloves for almost a year now, practicing HEMA (Fiore style) and I have to agree on everything, just be aware new buyers that sometimes factory won't do a perfect cut between the fingers and a little bump of rubber will be on excess, you can easily cut it with a normal cutter or knife. They are quite confortable once you bend them a little with normal use, also I recommend using any kind of light glove inside the sparring gloves to avoid bruises and sore skin caused by friction. something Skall doesn't mention is that the wrist actually has light laminated pads in the wrist, like rings. It does offer very light protection, but if you get a hit in there you are going to feel it.
Also grapples are a bit hard to do, and grabbing the sword of the opponent once in close combat might be a little tricky since the gloves don't open that much with your hand.
I used a pair of MMA sparring gloves for kendo practice. They didn't protect against strikes directly to the fingers but they did great for glancing blows. They worked for a few sessions till I could get my kote
I own the SPES heavies and I'm a fan of them for their superior protection. The thumb tips can be a bit vulnerable, though, and I've seen someone get a bad thumb injury while wearing these. I bought the separate fingertip protectors (they fit on the fingers inside the glove) and I just use the two thumbs (the SPES heavy already protects the other fingers well enough). So if you're looking for the best protection at a reasonable price, I think this is the way to go, but be sure to get the added protection for your thumbs. Now I will say that you lose some mobility in exchange for the protection. It's a little challenging to do anything other than a hammer grip with these. Putting your thumb on the blade isn't too difficult, but it is slightly harder than if you had bare hands. The grip on them doesn't open as wide as I'd like, which makes it a little slower to let go with my left hand in order to grapple, and grabbing an opponent's sword, arm, or whatever is notable more difficult with these gloves. That said, I don't think you can currently do better without sacrificing protection (although I haven't seen in person what the Konig glove can do yet, and we don't know what the Pro Gauntlet will offer yet either - however these two also come at a higher price tag). On the other hand, if you want to get into practicing HEMA and are on a very tight budget (i.e., can't afford even the SPES heavies), then lacrosse gloves are a reasonable better-than-nothing alternatives. I would only spar with synthetic weapons in that case though. I think a feder or other steel trainer could too easily cause significant injury through lacrosse gloves. (Plus we're talking about a budget, and synthetics are also less expensive than steel.) You can get used lacrosse gloves for super cheap - I think I got mine for $15 (used) at Play It Again Sports.
Thanks Skallagrim. I've been trying to find the perfect gloves for years! I don't fight steel, though I've considered the articulated steel gauntlets. I do shinai, rapier with off hand, some cut & thrust. Seems like every other week I used to take a hard hit to whatever part of my hand was least protected. My best gloves so far have been shooters gloves like the type used in the military for heavy weapons (eBay used ~ 35.00 USD) and the Red Dragon HEMA sparring gloves. (new ~ 90.00 USD) I think you can get a general idea of pros and cons just looking at them. The Red Dragon are adapted from lacrosse gloves (I have a pair of the Brine also) but a little more flexible and less expensive that the comparable level of protection. I sell the Red Dragon on my eBay site so I may not be completely unbiased, but I think when you see the photos of my own pair you'll see how functional they are, more flexible than one might guess from the way they look. I am single male so I have to take these things seriously,
Also, it seems like your best option would be to take a bunch of small plates and sew/lace them onto those leather gloves. You likely NEED to tailor the gauntlet to your needs, so doing it yourself might be your best option.
Having used the sparringgloves and red dragon I'll add my experiences here: In my experience the biggest problem with the sparringgloves is that the rubberband tying the thumbpiece to the glove might break if i gets hit. Happened to me a few times and it sends the thumbpiece flying meaning your thumb is suddenly unprotected if your opponent doesn't notice and is doing a followup strike. Otherwise I like them a lot. The red dragon gloves simply offers to little protection for steel longsword sparring. Nylon might be ok or steel one handed swords if you are brave. They also seem to have some problem with quality as mine quite quily started fallig apart in the seams.
I'm looking at the new Neyman Fencing "Inigo Montoya" model of glove, or the new 5-finger Sparring Glove glove. Still using the unmodified LaCrosse gloves, and I have yet to graduate (so to speak) to competing and steel feders.
When I was into 14-15th century reenactment the most common hand protection used were padded mittens stuffed with tow or horse hair and chainmail overlay. Those were used both with synthetic and dull metall swords and I can't remember anyone getting real injury using those during my 2 years of training. Pretty heavy as you'd expect, but I ones hit a pal in the groin with a lucky throw - he was down on the floor for a couple of minutes =) And so was I, laughing...
Cheapest option that's most effective as far as protection goes, for me, has been boxing gloves. For $15, as a starter, very good protection, not so much flexibility. I could probably modify/cut the wrist part so that I have more of a movement range while still having the hand/finger protection. TLDR: boxing gloves from amazon work pretty well for starters
a girl at our HEMA club was fighting in a tournament with lacrosse gloves and got hit on the side of her hand, ended up with four broken fingers. Also, a tip for the sparring gloves, use very thin gloves underneath them, is much nicer to use
In Kendo we use gloves similiar as the Hood model gloves expect that there's no gap. They're basically from leather, but you really can't feel the hits or vibration from the hits, so you'd probably be okay with these kind of gloves for HEMA. I think?
I have the hoof version of the Gdanks gloves; Great. Fit perfect, need some time to break in but then you're golden for heavy longsword sparring and tournament fights.
The Pro Gauntlets at the end of the video would be a great addition to every Space Ninja cosplay. But I suppose they'd cost about twice as much as all the rest of the gear combined. ^^
I think we need to improve on the whole Pommel throw thing. The fact is that while it is so obviously overpowered once thrown, it is balanced by the time you need to take to unscrew it. So, to make it more OP we must manage to make make a contraption that allows us to unscrew any type of pommel rapidly for quick use ! That or just going around with a bag of pommels for those with no honor.
I'm starting to think that there's a good amount of money to be made in HEMA glove production. But I guess we'll have to see how much the Pro Gauntlets will go for, they could monopolize the market.
in the last gloves set is clear thet they taken some tips-inspitìration from kendo kote-goloves, adapting the design to the most risky hema steel sparring very interesting
I've watched a lot of hema sparring videos now and one thing I noticed is that a lot of the newer trainees rely too much on their protective equipment. While necessary for tournament safety and for legal reasons, I have found that excessively protective equipment encourages sloppy footwork and fighting. When you are afraid of injury you are less likely to attack recklessly or leave your body lazily exposed. In the same regard, if you are worried about injuring your training partner you will hopefully be less likely to swing and thrust with wanton abandon. My friends and I have been sparring with only light gloves and black fencer wasters for a couple years now, and after just the first two or three days we almost never get hit in the hands and rarely do we exchange double hits. We also have never been seriously injured, despite moving quickly and striking with force. This may be due to my experience in unarmed martial arts, particularly in the school were I trained and now teach. We never used any form of protective anything, and we sparred and wrestled on all kinds of terrain, including hard wooden floors and asphalt. This sparring was hard and fast, with blows not pulled aside from those aimed toward the head (light contact was made, though only acknowledged if a forceful blow could have been made). When I introduced my friends to hema, I brought these concepts of acknowledging danger and respecting what great damage a training weapon can do. This has been very successful so far, granted, I choose my friends carefully and they are all patient and intelligent enough to comprehend the dangers of reckless fighting. I don't think this would work for most hema clubs and schools, but among small groups of trusted individuals I think it can be a useful tool to understanding how you would fight in a real, unarmored situation. Thank you for reading.
My impression of red dragon gloves... great fit, comfortable, protective and so far my preferred glove for practice (emphasis on practice) in tournaments everyone fights a little harder because we all want to win, or at least not finish on the bottom. I have had a incident were a synthetic hit my finger right between two plates on the glove and really hurt (though thankfully didn't break) my hand. So I recommend these gloves very highly for the new guy starting out because of price, comfort and protectiveness. However don't fight the class monkey with them. I urge everyone wanting to do tournaments to get something more substantial. Lastly, if you're hardly with leather and sewing I would suggest using sinew to sew 3-4mm thick leather fingers over the top of the glove to stop cuts slipping between the protective plates. It looks ugly but it solves my only problem I have with the gloves. (I pretty good at getting injured in HEMA though not badly save bruised ribs and a broken finger from not motercycle gloves for dagger fighting instead of proper gloves and I'm the only person I know of who's had this issue with Red Dragon Gloves so I hope this is a fair and reasonable assessment of the product in question) Cheers guys.
Pro gauntlets: See, here's my thing with those. Gauntlets will lots and lots of tiny plates to provide maximum articulation also provide less protection from blunt strikes. Same as chain. Being that they're doubtless going to be bought for HEMA longsword, they'll need some pretty decent blunt defense. You gotta have some trade off between protection and articulation. Look at those teeny plates; if you take a hard strike on one of those, how can you expect it to both articulate like it's not there and yet also diffuse the energy? I'd love someone like Skall with some experience inHEMA comment on that. I think the hoof gloves look like a pretty good trade off. Maybe some additional perimeter plates that must be trimmed to skip interference with the grip would be ideal.
Even if a cut slip through the split of the last glove, when you are in a fight, you are probably holding a sword and so the palm should be protected by the handle of your sword.
My father made a pair of fairly good sparring gloves by taking some bikergloves with knuckle protection and adding some leather bands on it. And he used to spar with a steel sword and buckler. Funny yet painful story, once he forgot he wasn't holding the buckler, and a strike came, so he instinctly tried to block with the offhand, and his finger got bent backwards... So yeah, you don't need to pay a small fortune for specialized training gloves
Hello,Mr. Bearded Swordsman, The One Who Ends Them Rightly Wanted to say that I discovered ur channel by accident 4 days ago and since then I've watched about 150+ your vids,don't regret it,your content is really cool and videos are very enjoyable,largely because of your personality (and beard) Also I'd like to know whether you have any information about Slavic swords/weapons in general and Slavic martial arts of the Medieval period? I'm from Belarus myself,if anyone knows where this beautiful country is,so I was thinking that asking you about our martial culture might be a good idea Hope you'll find a time to answer this comment) Anyway,thank you for the great content and wish you good luck,nice bulletproof swords (properly sharpened and with strong tips,don't forget to check that) and TONS OF POMMELS! #therecanneverbetoomuchpommelmemes #beardmasterrace #gtfoannoyingbelorussianprick (post this second time in hope for you to niotice it xD)
None. The Gothic Armoury was closest to being accurate, but were still not good. HEMA gloves always* work better than historical gloves. We just have better materials, better manufacturing techniques and their gauntlets were made for war, ours are made for sparring. *there can be a shitty HEMA glove, but what I have seen or tried (SPES heavy, sparring gloves, Koning glove) were all better than historical gauntlets.
I just wonder. We have really new materials. Recently I noticed there is something like 2nd skull which uses new material poron. It is something like oriented molecules plus some physical magic or something. Nobody combined this with fiber reinforced upper plates? Maybe possibly carbon fiber (but this is expensive)? You know I am searching for everyday protection on my bike.
About the Red Dragon ones, I haven't tried them in actual sparring (they have good mobility and decent protection though), but last week I was sparring (low-medium intensity) with a dude with them and I accidentally hit him in the pinky with an unterhau. It didn't broke (luckily) but he said it hurted a lot. Maybe they work better for one-handed swords. Hope it works for something.
Thanks for reminding me about protecting my girlfriend
Don't forget to tend to her cosmetic needs ever once in a while, some lotion is in order...
phileas007 I will never forget about that
Don't forget to put the lotion in the basket.
kek
If he doesn't someone will remind him via hosing.
I especially like my hands and fingers because without them I wouldn't be able to end him rightly
giggity
You are correct my good sir, for if you are not able to end one rightly, the tables shall be turned against you
Which one of these gloves is optimal for pommel tossing?
That pro gauntlet thing looks like the hand of a mechsuit.
Yeah. It's like they reverse-engineered it from a time-traveling cyborg warrior. o_O
Masturbation jokes. Bravo. Good job, Skall. Go on.
I smell bbq... half of the world is burning.
lol and then he complains about "throwing pommel" jokes
that "stop the pummel jokes!" video did not happen!
Love the companion joke. So true. Now if you wil excuse me I will go cry in a dark corner.
Of course they are my only companion thru the lonely nights! I'm married
epic comment
Essa foi para descansar.
Que farra, hein!
Is there anyone here that has no intention of partaking in HEMA, or purchasing any swords but still watches all his videos.
meeeeeeeeee
well i have a few training wepons and plan on buying more wen i can BUT curently have no intentions to buy and gloves
I bought my first synthetic feder a little while ago, and while I do want to partake I can't say I want to until there are better gloves and masks on the market.
yup. i dont really have any swords, and not doing any hema, i have some of my father's swords which are just for looks more than anything.
My interest lies in blacksmithing. These videos are extremely helpful in getting ideas for design.
Me. I just watch because I'm fascinating by the history of ancient weapons and warfare. It's fascinating to watch his about weaponry and ancient fighting methods. I myself have never held a sword, have no intention or interest in trying one or getting into HEMA - i am merely a fascinated observer :)
Haven't fenced in years, but it's always interesting to listen to someone expound on a subject which they understand deeply. I quite enjoy your channel, Shallagrim.
We use Red Dragon gloves a lot at EHMS, that is the HEMA club in Espoo, Finland. The y are our go-ro gloves for one-handed sword use, because they allow so much more flexibility, and a smaller blade doesn't require as much protection.
However, if you are using a longsword or other two-handed swords, you can only use these for light sparring.
Other remarks: really cheap, but will not last as long as other gloves (but that's not a huge issue, because of the said price), quite flexible, do not hinder movement as much as many other gloves.
So, very much like the lacrosse gloves, but way better protection; still, do NOT use with two-handed swords.
Nearly 5 years later, the Pro-Gauntlet is set to release in May. Really looking forward to trying them out, and your review of them
Skall owns *all* the gauntlets.
I don't even want to know how much money I've spent over the years in my quest to find the perfect glove/gauntlet...
people ask me, "How many knives do you own? "I always tell them, "I have no idea. More than two." And the *gaming* books... **sigh**
+tetsubo57 Heh. Will you ever stop buying knives? I mean, eventually you'll have one for EVERY use. And the gaming books. Sigh indeed my friend.
Here's the thing that will be my undoing: They keep making *more* knives and gaming books. They know my weakness and are exploiting it...
+tetsubo57 Those fiends! Plotting the downfall of us all, like sinister puppeteers! Also, a question to you, unrelated to the topic of this video is: Where do you get all of your gaming books? Because many of your books are hard copies (I don't know how many PDFs you have, but I suspect it is a large number) and I doubt that many gaming books even exist where I live. I'd have to empty every second hand and hobby store of all of their gaming stock before I had a comparable amount. Although... Then I would have a vast amount of product that would be in high demand... Hmmm....
That intro. Shit went from 0 to 100 real quick
Those Pro gauntlets look fucking sick.
They look like a badass skeleton hand
Waiting for the cool kids to wear these all day.
Hell yeah. I don't do sparring yet but when I saw them I wanted to throw my money at the screen till I had them!
+James Ruzicho I do the same thing when Scarlett Johansson comes on the screen with the same success.
+James Ruzicho P.S. Don't throw coins at the screen. It doesn't like that. Neither do strippers.
i use the mitten sparringgloves model and as you say i think theyre a lot more protective. not just from thrusts going into the gap but the shell of the glove is also much more reinforced. ive seen people take direct hits on the hand with the hoof model and it injured them quite badly because with the split it means the glove can give more and compress with a hard hit. But i think they're the best gloves for hema
Coming back to watching your videos my faith in actual content on UA-cam has been returned
Thanks for doing this Skal! It's always good to see some compare and contrast style video. Plus the *why* they aren't so good really helps.
That Pro Gauntlet at the very end looks badass.
Me and my brother use Red Dragon ones. They are like lacrosse gloves yes, but they have overlapping plates on the fingers. They are good for a beginner but you can't do too much with the blade, as they are somewhat bulky and limit how well you can actually move your hand. They are also smaller than other gloves in that they don't extend past the wrist, leaving the forearm exposed.
Your voice is amazing. It reminds me of how the medieval knights use to talk
Pro gauntlet planned release in 2017...
Almost 2019 a feels further away now than it did then :(
Skallagrim, that material sparring gloves are made of is rubber kind of thing that is used for shoe outsoles (which is called styroguma in polish - not sure about translation though). Basically you could get them in most of the stores with shoemaker supplies and make those gauntlets on your own for just fraction of the price. The wrist is made out of cordura nylon and plastic plates sewn inside. Also, the wrist is not really much of a weakspot if you bunch the glove up a bit, so the plates overlap. It doesnt inhibit the movement much and definitely increases protection.
styrogum in English
I think everyone gasped when they saw the "Pro Gauntlet". Holy shit...
I've been using the Gdansk / Hoof sparring gloves for almost a year now, practicing HEMA (Fiore style) and I have to agree on everything, just be aware new buyers that sometimes factory won't do a perfect cut between the fingers and a little bump of rubber will be on excess, you can easily cut it with a normal cutter or knife.
They are quite confortable once you bend them a little with normal use, also I recommend using any kind of light glove inside the sparring gloves to avoid bruises and sore skin caused by friction.
something Skall doesn't mention is that the wrist actually has light laminated pads in the wrist, like rings. It does offer very light protection, but if you get a hit in there you are going to feel it.
Also grapples are a bit hard to do, and grabbing the sword of the opponent once in close combat might be a little tricky since the gloves don't open that much with your hand.
That joke at the start, damn skall, you spit fire!
Before this even starts, I'm gonna guess Skall mentions his lil' squirrel hands at least twice.
20 seconds in and the roasts are real.
Those hoof-gloves also are looking really great and interesting. Nice pick.
I used a pair of MMA sparring gloves for kendo practice. They didn't protect against strikes directly to the fingers but they did great for glancing blows. They worked for a few sessions till I could get my kote
Those gauntlets at the very end look like winners for sure.
I own the SPES heavies and I'm a fan of them for their superior protection. The thumb tips can be a bit vulnerable, though, and I've seen someone get a bad thumb injury while wearing these. I bought the separate fingertip protectors (they fit on the fingers inside the glove) and I just use the two thumbs (the SPES heavy already protects the other fingers well enough). So if you're looking for the best protection at a reasonable price, I think this is the way to go, but be sure to get the added protection for your thumbs.
Now I will say that you lose some mobility in exchange for the protection. It's a little challenging to do anything other than a hammer grip with these. Putting your thumb on the blade isn't too difficult, but it is slightly harder than if you had bare hands. The grip on them doesn't open as wide as I'd like, which makes it a little slower to let go with my left hand in order to grapple, and grabbing an opponent's sword, arm, or whatever is notable more difficult with these gloves. That said, I don't think you can currently do better without sacrificing protection (although I haven't seen in person what the Konig glove can do yet, and we don't know what the Pro Gauntlet will offer yet either - however these two also come at a higher price tag).
On the other hand, if you want to get into practicing HEMA and are on a very tight budget (i.e., can't afford even the SPES heavies), then lacrosse gloves are a reasonable better-than-nothing alternatives. I would only spar with synthetic weapons in that case though. I think a feder or other steel trainer could too easily cause significant injury through lacrosse gloves. (Plus we're talking about a budget, and synthetics are also less expensive than steel.) You can get used lacrosse gloves for super cheap - I think I got mine for $15 (used) at Play It Again Sports.
Just 20 seconds in and WOW Skall that was savage!
I use the Neyman Fencing Thokk Gloves and love them. Just another great alternative, and Neyman Fencings gear is all really customize-able too.
LMAO I cracked up so bad when you said "for some of you this is the only companion you have during lonely nights..."
Have you ever tried kendo gloves (kote)? They are quite similar to the gloves al 9:20, but without the split in the middle.
Thanks Skallagrim.
I've been trying to find the perfect gloves for years! I don't fight steel, though I've considered the articulated steel gauntlets. I do shinai, rapier with off hand, some cut & thrust. Seems like every other week I used to take a hard hit to whatever part of my hand was least protected. My best gloves so far have been shooters gloves like the type used in the military for heavy weapons (eBay used ~ 35.00 USD) and the Red Dragon HEMA sparring gloves. (new ~ 90.00 USD) I think you can get a general idea of pros and cons just looking at them.
The Red Dragon are adapted from lacrosse gloves (I have a pair of the Brine also) but a little more flexible and less expensive that the comparable level of protection. I sell the Red Dragon on my eBay site so I may not be completely unbiased, but I think when you see the photos of my own pair you'll see how functional they are, more flexible than one might guess from the way they look.
I am single male so I have to take these things seriously,
Have you ever tried kendo gloves? Or, well, Itto ryu gloves (Onigote)?
30 seconds in, and Skall is already spittin fire
thanks skall, good to know my lonely nights won't get ruined by callus if i get some gauntlets
Also, it seems like your best option would be to take a bunch of small plates and sew/lace them onto those leather gloves. You likely NEED to tailor the gauntlet to your needs, so doing it yourself might be your best option.
That innuendo in the begininng. Must give thumbs up.
Good video. Always an interesting topic when discussing options for armor.
Having used the sparringgloves and red dragon I'll add my experiences here:
In my experience the biggest problem with the sparringgloves is that the rubberband tying the thumbpiece to the glove might break if i gets hit. Happened to me a few times and it sends the thumbpiece flying meaning your thumb is suddenly unprotected if your opponent doesn't notice and is doing a followup strike. Otherwise I like them a lot.
The red dragon gloves simply offers to little protection for steel longsword sparring. Nylon might be ok or steel one handed swords if you are brave. They also seem to have some problem with quality as mine quite quily started fallig apart in the seams.
Thank you for terrorizing me, as we've been long sword sparring without any form of protective gear aside from a mask.
I'm looking at the new Neyman Fencing "Inigo Montoya" model of glove, or the new 5-finger Sparring Glove glove. Still using the unmodified LaCrosse gloves, and I have yet to graduate (so to speak) to competing and steel feders.
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How dare you talk about me- I mean other people like that! If I had a pommel right now...
Thanks for confirming the first pair are ok for rapier. Hardly anyone talks about protection for rapier.
When I was into 14-15th century reenactment the most common hand protection used were padded mittens stuffed with tow or horse hair and chainmail overlay. Those were used both with synthetic and dull metall swords and I can't remember anyone getting real injury using those during my 2 years of training.
Pretty heavy as you'd expect, but I ones hit a pal in the groin with a lucky throw - he was down on the floor for a couple of minutes =) And so was I, laughing...
Cheapest option that's most effective as far as protection goes, for me, has been boxing gloves. For $15, as a starter, very good protection, not so much flexibility. I could probably modify/cut the wrist part so that I have more of a movement range while still having the hand/finger protection.
TLDR: boxing gloves from amazon work pretty well for starters
a girl at our HEMA club was fighting in a tournament with lacrosse gloves and got hit on the side of her hand, ended up with four broken fingers. Also, a tip for the sparring gloves, use very thin gloves underneath them, is much nicer to use
attach little metal plates to the fingertips of your padded gloves for use with the gauntlets.
In Kendo we use gloves similiar as the Hood model gloves expect that there's no gap. They're basically from leather, but you really can't feel the hits or vibration from the hits, so you'd probably be okay with these kind of gloves for HEMA. I think?
The pro gauntlets at the end look like something batman would wear lol
I have the hoof version of the Gdanks gloves; Great. Fit perfect, need some time to break in but then you're golden for heavy longsword sparring and tournament fights.
The Pro Gauntlets at the end of the video would be a great addition to every Space Ninja cosplay. But I suppose they'd cost about twice as much as all the rest of the gear combined. ^^
I think we need to improve on the whole Pommel throw thing. The fact is that while it is so obviously overpowered once thrown, it is balanced by the time you need to take to unscrew it. So, to make it more OP we must manage to make make a contraption that allows us to unscrew any type of pommel rapidly for quick use ! That or just going around with a bag of pommels for those with no honor.
That Pro Gauntlet sure has an awesome look going for it. If it protects as well as it looks, I am sure it will be popular.
I'm starting to think that there's a good amount of money to be made in HEMA glove production. But I guess we'll have to see how much the Pro Gauntlets will go for, they could monopolize the market.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
On every one of those lonely nights, I end myself *very* rightly
Maybe you could add a,bell cuff to the hoof gauntlets to improve the wrist protection without hindering your mobility too much.
@0:14 SAVAGE!!!
What is the best lube for "half-swording?"
I have been using the light padded gloves and haven't have a single problem yet.
in the last gloves set is clear thet they taken some tips-inspitìration from kendo kote-goloves, adapting the design to the most risky hema steel sparring
very interesting
Excellent video!
The last gauntlet looks cyper-punk-ish.
The steel plated gloves look badass as hell though
0:18 Nah. Pretty accurate. You even lifted the right hand. :D
damn the one he said in the intro , he just "handed" it to us 😉
I've watched a lot of hema sparring videos now and one thing I noticed is that a lot of the newer trainees rely too much on their protective equipment. While necessary for tournament safety and for legal reasons, I have found that excessively protective equipment encourages sloppy footwork and fighting. When you are afraid of injury you are less likely to attack recklessly or leave your body lazily exposed. In the same regard, if you are worried about injuring your training partner you will hopefully be less likely to swing and thrust with wanton abandon.
My friends and I have been sparring with only light gloves and black fencer wasters for a couple years now, and after just the first two or three days we almost never get hit in the hands and rarely do we exchange double hits. We also have never been seriously injured, despite moving quickly and striking with force.
This may be due to my experience in unarmed martial arts, particularly in the school were I trained and now teach. We never used any form of protective anything, and we sparred and wrestled on all kinds of terrain, including hard wooden floors and asphalt. This sparring was hard and fast, with blows not pulled aside from those aimed toward the head (light contact was made, though only acknowledged if a forceful blow could have been made).
When I introduced my friends to hema, I brought these concepts of acknowledging danger and respecting what great damage a training weapon can do. This has been very successful so far, granted, I choose my friends carefully and they are all patient and intelligent enough to comprehend the dangers of reckless fighting. I don't think this would work for most hema clubs and schools, but among small groups of trusted individuals I think it can be a useful tool to understanding how you would fight in a real, unarmored situation. Thank you for reading.
My impression of red dragon gloves...
great fit, comfortable, protective and so far my preferred glove for practice (emphasis on practice)
in tournaments everyone fights a little harder because we all want to win, or at least not finish on the bottom. I have had a incident were a synthetic hit my finger right between two plates on the glove and really hurt (though thankfully didn't break) my hand. So I recommend these gloves very highly for the new guy starting out because of price, comfort and protectiveness. However don't fight the class monkey with them. I urge everyone wanting to do tournaments to get something more substantial.
Lastly, if you're hardly with leather and sewing I would suggest using sinew to sew 3-4mm thick leather fingers over the top of the glove to stop cuts slipping between the protective plates. It looks ugly but it solves my only problem I have with the gloves.
(I pretty good at getting injured in HEMA though not badly save bruised ribs and a broken finger from not motercycle gloves for dagger fighting instead of proper gloves and I'm the only person I know of who's had this issue with Red Dragon Gloves so I hope this is a fair and reasonable assessment of the product in question)
Cheers guys.
Pro gauntlets: See, here's my thing with those. Gauntlets will lots and lots of tiny plates to provide maximum articulation also provide less protection from blunt strikes. Same as chain. Being that they're doubtless going to be bought for HEMA longsword, they'll need some pretty decent blunt defense. You gotta have some trade off between protection and articulation. Look at those teeny plates; if you take a hard strike on one of those, how can you expect it to both articulate like it's not there and yet also diffuse the energy? I'd love someone like Skall with some experience inHEMA comment on that. I think the hoof gloves look like a pretty good trade off. Maybe some additional perimeter plates that must be trimmed to skip interference with the grip would be ideal.
It seems like they are designing the plates to that they directly transfer the force to the hilt without letting go to the hands
Need to protect my companion...
i feel you bro
For lack of better reasoning, the minute I saw the "clam shell" gauntlets, they reminded me of Sigward (Onion knight)
I have nice hockey gloves that I don’t use much and I’m wondering if they will work. They are very protective and light.
Those are such badass looking gauntlets at 6:00 too bad there isn't a matching suit of armour.
Even if a cut slip through the split of the last glove, when you are in a fight, you are probably holding a sword and so the palm should be protected by the handle of your sword.
My school has a few pairs of red dragons, and they fit well and you have good mobility, but they are only really able to protect against synthetics.
Those pro gauntlets look badass. Are you going to review them when they come out?
Most likely.
The last one looks like something the TMNT would wear.
I think my fav ones were the plate gauntlet/rapier glove combo
wow the handjoke way to start the video well played Skall well played
The hoof gloves remind me allot of the guardian gauntlets from the Dark Souls 1 dlc
My father made a pair of fairly good sparring gloves by taking some bikergloves with knuckle protection and adding some leather bands on it. And he used to spar with a steel sword and buckler. Funny yet painful story, once he forgot he wasn't holding the buckler, and a strike came, so he instinctly tried to block with the offhand, and his finger got bent backwards... So yeah, you don't need to pay a small fortune for specialized training gloves
I've always used Faits D Armes kevlar lined gloves.
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How do the HEMA gloves compare against historically-accurate gauntlets? Were some of the gauntlets you shown historically accurate?
None. The Gothic Armoury was closest to being accurate, but were still not good.
HEMA gloves always* work better than historical gloves. We just have better materials, better manufacturing techniques and their gauntlets were made for war, ours are made for sparring.
*there can be a shitty HEMA glove, but what I have seen or tried (SPES heavy, sparring gloves, Koning glove) were all better than historical gauntlets.
Might sound like a silly idea but some football/soccer goalkeeping gloves come with padding along the fingers, ever thought about that?
I just wonder. We have really new materials. Recently I noticed there is something like 2nd skull which uses new material poron. It is something like oriented molecules plus some physical magic or something. Nobody combined this with fiber reinforced upper plates? Maybe possibly carbon fiber (but this is expensive)? You know I am searching for everyday protection on my bike.
About the Red Dragon ones, I haven't tried them in actual sparring (they have good mobility and decent protection though), but last week I was sparring (low-medium intensity) with a dude with them and I accidentally hit him in the pinky with an unterhau. It didn't broke (luckily) but he said it hurted a lot.
Maybe they work better for one-handed swords. Hope it works for something.
I love the tounge in cheek "you wankers" in the begining there. :D
You better do a revision of the one that is coming in 2017. Seems great!
The thumbnail had me thinking for a moment that Skall was doing a puppet show . . .
My imagination is fucked.
Try hockey gloves. You can close your hand like with Lacrosse gloves, but the joints dont open up.
I find that the little pads on the hockey/lacrosse gloves wear-out fast, leaving you exposed - I've had some huge bruises from missing/torn pads...
Try Red Dragon HEMA gloves, they work really well.
Hey Skallagrim, have you ever tried Kote, the gauntlets that are used in Kendo?
btw blackfencer swords are amazing but the grip is this rough uncomfortable rope so best to buy gloves to go with the sword
cant wait for the mark 1 to be released since i first saw them on the net
Hey Those are hayabusa hybrid gloves! I use those for MMA! Nice choice!
Planning on doing a review of the 5-fingered version of the SG gloves?
I would just use some decent padded leather gloves for flexibility, they won't restrict movement too much. Just what I prefer
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With the last glove, if you wrap your hands with muay thai bandages you can add some protection to your wrist.