This is one of the best tutorial videos I’ve ever seen about my 4Runner big O messed up my parking break springs and this will help me replace them so it doesn’t rattle. Thank you sir!
Thank you for the nice compliment. We appreciate it! I'm happy to know our video helped you fix the screw-up the Big O shop did. I think you're learning it's better to do your own work when you can. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
Thank you for the nice compliment. Be sure to watch Part 2. We introduce an even easier way to get the brake shoes secured with the hold-down spring assemblies.ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=eorWk9PQ5qNUpTXt
Thank you for the kind words, and you're very welcome. You should watch Part 2 as well because we introduce a different way to get the brake parts reassembled using a very affordable tool. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=B-3RDuuOhhcSH9zI
OMG 15 minutes in and already this video is an absolute lifesaver The commentary is on point clear concise step-by-step I don't know how to thank you enough.
I'm happy to know our video helped you out. You should watch Part 2 as well, because we introduce another technique and affordable tool that will give you another and better option (in our opinion) to reassemble the parking brake components. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=tUfio3cDU83j8TQ4
This was awesome! I was replacing a rear hub on my Venza and when I got the rotor off, the parking break basically fell apart. I knew it needed some attention but didn't realize how bad it was. This was so helpful I had no issues at all. The Venza has more room between the bearing and the parking brake so not quite as tough to get it back together but boy did this help me with the order of all the parts! Thank you so much for the time and effort to put this up.
WOW! Now this is a 5th gen video for the books that should be on every DIY 5th gen 4R owners UA-cam favorite list. Does anyone remember Game Genie for the 1st gen Nintendo (NES)? Well, this video is like a killer Game Genie cheat code for one of your favorite NES games that was impossible to beat. I am CERTAIN that even the most experienced techs at Toyota dealer service centers will be using this video as a guide for this job. I’ve done this job with a friend and it is one of the most frustrating and painful jobs on 5th Gen 4Runner. It really made us wonder how the assembly guys at the Toyota factory actually put these things together without holding up the assembly line and what special tools they might have to get it done. Really fantastic work on this video Tim & Sean. Your dedication to servicing the 4R community is 1st class. Keep it up bros! ❤
Thanks for the nice compliment of our work. We really appreciate it! Take a look at the comment from "Maxwell Smart" and my response. There is other ways to deal with the hold-down spring assembly to get the brake shoes secured to the backing plate. We just chose to share our method using the brake tool we discovered. Happy Wrenching!
Very nice, but be advised that there is a much easier way to install those pesky hold-down spring assemblies. Install all their parts into the pin, including anchoring their front plate to the pin head, before adding the brake shoe. Then pull the rear plate (the one that you greased, with the right angle bend on it) towards you with a panel clip removal tool, or a right angle pick, or even a zip tie. This will squeeze the spring towards you, making plenty of room for the brake shoe to slide in behind the rear plate and around the pin, which actually will also be taut by the tension of pulling the rear plate towards you. Then simply guide the right angle bend of the rear plate (again, the one you greased) into its hole on the shoe. Done. Trust me, it is a lot easier this way. Thanks for the video.
We tried doing it the exact way you described with a clip removal tool, and it works, but not as easily as you stated. It's still a fight because the compressed spring assembly with the clip removal tool behind it doesn't offer much room to sneak the brake shoe in place over the pin. But yeah, it eventually works the way you described with enough of a struggle. Before going with the clip removal tool, I worked with a friend to develop a 2-piece tool to compress the preassembled spring assembly while you rotated the shoe into position over the pin. There was a handle and threaded shaft that fit through the axle hole and a threaded claw foot that would thread into the handle. We found that the claw foot, even though it was relatively thin metal, would get in the way of the shoe sliding into position over the pin. This is when we tried a panel clip removal tool with a long handle and came in from the opposing side, getting behind the spring and levering the tool to compress the spring while getting the shoe into position. We practiced this only on the front shoe. It worked, but it was still quite a bit of a fight. The way we showed in the video is still a fight as well and takes patience because you end up dropping the individual parts when getting them into position. We also looked into the "bailing wire" technique of compressing the spring assembly, with the bailing wire, threading the bailing wire through the axle hole, rotating the shoe into position over the pin and then cutting the wire free with some wire cutters. So, I will be respectively disagreeing with statement that the method you described is "Much Easier" because I've personally tried your method and didn't find it much easier. It's just a different method to get the job done. So, of all the ways discussed, I don't know which is the lesser of all the evils. Maybe we should have also shown the clip removal tool and the bailing wire technique as well. But, we decided to just show the method using the brake tool we featured in the video. Thanks for the comment.
Agreed Timmy… having done this job myself, I can honestly say that what you are showing in this video is, so far, the best way to get this job done. If there’s a better way than this, it might only be known by the Toyota factory assembly line guys in Japan.
@@Wolfgang51501986 Thanks! I really wonder myself how the Toyota Techs handle these parking brake assemblies. I guess you already read the comment from Maxwell Smart. That was a great show by the way, if you've never seen it. I watched it as a kid in the 70's.
@@TimmyTheToolman Thank you for the reply. I would say that it depends on the shape and size of the clip removal tool used. I've had very good success 4 times with the one that has two bends on the shaft and a horseshoe end. One of the brands for it is XBRN, but there are other identical ones. Thanks again.
@maxagent86 Could you please provide a link to that clip removal tool? It would be nice to provide it for the viewers so they have the option of doing it the way you suggest. I'll add that tool with a comment in the video description.
Well, thanks for the heads up on aftermarket shoes. I probably don't even need to replace my parking shoes, but I'm going to rebuild the calipers (all new rubber parts, need new pads) on my 08 4runner (303k miles). I was going to take off the rotors and measure the thickness, and inspect the parking shoes. I was half figuring how bad could an aftermarket b... silly me. I already discovered that retaining spring tool. It's in the toolbox and waiting. Oh and magnets?! Brilliant!
If you don't need to mess with parking brakes, I suggest you leave them be. You'll most likely have to retract the star adjuster to slide off the rotors and tighten up the star adjuster when you're done doing the caliper rebuilds, but that's as far as I'd go. Unless you left the parking brake on, the shoes will have lots of meat left on them.
Best video on UA-cam for this job without a doubt. Thank You for your effort on explaining this procedure Timmy. My Toyota dealer did a rear brake pad job but broke the pins on the parking brake, now I understand what broke and how it happened.
That was a great video!! Really nice camera work and narrative, and you kept it real-parts of that process are not so bad, and parts of it are a real pain. Good work!!
If I can do it with my neighbors assistance to hold the pads and a pair of scissors you can do it! I almost gave up and called a mech but told myself one more try. Being a Marine Corps vet we had to work with what we had!
Best video I’ve seen on this process. Thank you. The special tool is fantastic, but don’t forget the most important tool you need for this job is patience. This excellent vid is 38 minutes , but it can actually take a couple of hours if the springs are uncooperative.
Thanks for the compliment. You should watch Part 2 as well because we believe what we show makes the job even easier putting the brake parts back together using a very affordable tool. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=LGgU9NJYfG_ktj5z
Be sure to watch Part 2 as well. I believe this is an even easier way to handle the reassembly of the parking brake using an affordable trim removal tool. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=RgnaIcudHztIFjTx
@@TimmyTheToolman Thank you so much, Here in Australia we call these HAND BRAKES due to being actuated by hand, (though I have seen a few cars where it is a foot pedal) My car is a TOYOTA PRADO 2003 GXL - I don't think they made it to The States, I have received a lot of information on UA-cam from ppl in UK, Africa & Europe, but I'm sure it's very similar to something you guys would have over there, just under a different name
@@frase1234 You're welcome. There's lots of similarities between models in the U.S. and models overseas. I'd love to be able to buy a diesel land cruiser.
100 times better than the other Toyota parking brake videos out there. Very thorough and complete. One tip that they have that you don't is compressing the brake shoe hold down springs with either zip ties or bailing wire (or whatever like that) in order to get them in easier (then cutting the wire/zip tie with wire cutters). Combine that tip with everything you have here and I think you'll manage this job without excess frustration.
Appreciate the compliment and dropping a comment, we tried the method you’re referring to… it gets clunky and difficult to manage as well. There is always multiple ways to get a job done. Keep on wrenching my friend! - Sean
REALLY helpful video!! Would never tried or managed to do this job without your video! BIG thank you! Small tip, I used a small wire to compress the springs and a string around the shaft to keep the right pin in place.
@@dr10499 I'm glad you found our video helpful. We've seen the trick of compressing the spring with wire but not the string trick. Thanks for sharing that. We did make a Part 2 showing what I believe is even an easier technique than what we showed in this video to get the brake shoes in place on the backing plate and secured with the hold down spring assembly. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=sSJ_ec6sqvVXlunY
helpful tip. you can put backing clip spring and retaining clip on and use a plastic clip removal tool to compress springs and slid shoes into place. then use pick to set the base clip into the hole. much easier than trying to put each item in, then rotate clip.
You're very welcome. You should check out Part 2 as well. We show a different technique to get the brake parts back together using a very affordable tool. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=MpQ9QZ0lHc0etzXe
DUDE, you are the man! Total timesaver, thank you! If you live in the rust belt, as I do, be prepared for a lot of wire brushing to get even close to the lube pads on the plate. Additionally, if you can't get the special tool, as everywhere I looked was backordered, take a large flat blade screwdriver and use a grinding wheel to notch the end. Not as easy peasy, but it got the job done.
Great video and a handy tool. I believe the reason Toyota made a slot in the shoes is to allow pre-assembly of the pin, spring, and hooked retaining plate assembly prior to fitting the shoe. Once the pins with springs are assembled, use long nose pliers to hold onto the hook of the retaining plate, stretch the spring, and slip the shoe into place with the pin sliding into the slot. Once the shoe is in place, rotate the hook so that the tip drops into the retaining hole. Use of 50mm (2 Inch) masking tape on the abrasive surface of the shoes will keep the shoes free of grease during assembly. Simply peel the tape off prior to installing the disk/ drum assemblies. It is still a fiddly job requiring patience. The magnet idea is gold. Sorry, just scrolled down and read Max's comment, same technique. Keep up the awesome videos.
Yeah, the Toyota FSM does suggest pre-assembly of the hold-down spring assembly, and it's why they made a slot in the shoe for sure. It's just when it comes time to slide the shoe into position that the nightmare begins. It's easier said than done getting the spring assembly compressed with a tool on the backside of the axle flange while still having enough room to slide the shoe into position over the pin. The clip removal tool that Max suggests does work, but it's still a pain in the ass with limited space to have enough room for the tool and shoe at the same time. Then there's the baiking wire trick and other tricks people have used. We just wanted to try it another way, and I think we succeeded in showing another viable way to get it done. It's just another tool in the toolbox for people to consider and use. Somebody else mentioned the tape idea, and that's such a simple and genius idea I've never thought of. I will definitely be using that idea in the future. Thanks for the comment.
I just featured your idea about using masking tape on the brake shoes to keep them free of grease during reassembly. We also tested the tool Max suggested and it working out great. Thanks for sharing that very functional and simple idea of using tape on the shoes. The video will be coming out soon.
Well, the video editing has something to do with it, but we believe the techniques we shared will make the job go more smoothly for people. Thanks for the comment!
I used every ounce of my long engineering naus and it nearly broke me, This gig has got to be one of the hardest, and felt at times like doing micro surgery with hands and tools in every position conceivable. Plainly put... it is an 'arse' of a job no two ways about it. Not for the faint hearted or the beginner. You guys "Rock" and there is some serious know-how "Gold" here. Just wish I had watched this before embarking on this ugly journey LoL, Much respect 🙏 Kris from New Zealand
Hey Kris, be sure to watch Part 2 as well. We introduce another affordable tool and a different technique to get the brake shoes affixed to the backing plate with the hold-down spring assemblies. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=fzPdApe0V1eA1QTY
Yesterday I did the parking brake on my 2007 4Runner and the only tool I needed once the brake caliper and disc was removed was a tiny hook tool. Using the guidance from this video, I took the first spring apart as directed by hand. It was a bear to put back together to say the least, not having the specialty tool. I was able to get it back together by compressing the spring with my fingers, and then sliding the shoe in behind it, and it was difficult. When I went onto the second spring of the same wheel (the front shoe), I used a tiny hook tool to not only take it off by unhooking the 90° from the hole, but also when going back together, I was able to compress the spring with the hook tool pulling it toward me and slid the shoe in behind it. I did not even take the second one apart. When I did the other side, having learned this, I unhooked the spring, leaving it intact, changed out the bottom spring, set the star wheel in and guide on top, and the shoe as directed in this video, reached in and compressed the spring with the hook tool slid the shoe in behind it and was able to manipulate the 90° clip into its hole no problem. honestly, this video helped me tremendously but majority (almost all) of what is shown is not needed. The magnets helped greatly to keep the posts in position, but I did the entire job, including removing the springs on top with a hook tool and nothing more. The hook tool was able to slide in between the shoe and the body to set everything exactly in place as well. I did the second one in no time. I’m sorry I don’t have a picture or video to share, but once you get in there, you’ll see that this spring is easily compressed and that doing the portion of the spring with the circular ends does not even need to come apart. I hope this helps.
You're very welcome. Be sure to watch Part 2 as well for even more tips and tricks on how to handle the parking brake on these rigs. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=RwVk-H8bDZGcpd7Z
Good video great tips and tricks saved me lots of grief I just used hemostats for the spring clips it’s all I had getting your clip oriented the same angle as the pin end before depressing the spring helps
Great video. I had to replace discs. Because I didn't see this video first, I didn't adjust star wheel; shoes dragged so much on drum, I ended up stripping threads in the holes in discs for bolts to push discs off!
Yeah, that's a bummer you didn't see our video sooner, but at least you now have more information at your disposal. We have a Part 2 as well that you should watch. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=15r9WbC1Np_UAYc3
@TimmyTheToolman I'm ahead of you - after watching part 1, I made the tool! Took the widest of my dozens of flat-blade screwdrivers, cut it off at the widest point, and then cut a notch using a little angle grinder. Works great! Irony is that the week before, I put new discs, e-brake shoes, pads, and calipers on my 99 F350. I spent HOURS installing those retainer pins, springs, and caps using screw drivers, needle nose pliers!
@jerryjermaine8260 Thanks for the compliment, Jerry. Before you dive in, check out Part 2, where we introduce another technique and affordable tool to get the parking brake put back together. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=f7rQzgPRBX3xMLrW
Great videos... Thanks for posting. (Those "side" tips are very valuable!... By "side" I mean calling out things that we may encounter in some cases, but not always... Like having to use M8 bolts to pry out the rotor)
Thanks and you're very welcome. Please watch Part 2 as well for another technique to get the brake shoes secured to the backing plate with the hold-down spring assemblies. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=3RgEUJEv3xId1PfS
Thanks! I’m currently replacing my CV axle due to bad bearings and I am having a hard time with the spring (the little ones with the curved pins) omg, I need that tool! Great step by step video…this is going to help me a lot!
Yeah, that parking brake design leaves quite a bit to be desired, but we're hoping that what we have shared is going to make people's lives easier. Be sure to watch Part 2 as well, because we introduce what I believe as an ever easier way to get the parking brake all back together by using a very affordable tool. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=Zx05g19cyu7cOIUU
Great video! I ran into the same issue backing off the 8 clicks as the manual states. Its way too loose and the parking brake wouldn't even hold with the pedal pushed all the way down. Looks like the only way to adjust it is trial and error.
I think a good way to adjust it is by going all the way tight and then back it off a few clicks. If the axle turns freely, that's about right. If it feels tight, back it off a little more. So yeah, it's basically trial and error. You just don't want the break dragging and wearing down the pads.
WOW!! This is an AWESOME VIDEO. You really nailed it. I like how you explain every detail, so there is no guess work. Other vids sometimes gloss over a step or two, which leads to second guessing and frustration. Your attention to every detail is superb. Yours is THE BEST REPAIR VIDEO I've ever seen on YT. So glad I came across it. My only concern is, I have a 2017 Lexus ES 350. Can you tell me if Toyota did the same setup for the car? I imagine it could be the same or similar. I guess I won't know until I pull the wheel. Regardless, I'm sure your video will be very helpful, between the little tips and tricks and the special tools list, and also the torque specs (although the ES350's specs might be different.) THANK YOU TIM, for making such an informative video. EXCELLENT!!
@davidjones9661 Hey David, I really appreciate your very nice compliment of our work. We always try our best to give people enough detail to feel confident in performing the job. I'm unsure if the parking brake on your ES 350 is set up exactly like this because I haven't worked on one. We actually made a Part 2 for this job. It introduces a new tool and technique on how to get the brake shoes attached to the backing plate. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=Vy2BGLWotpL5j6X5 Let us know how the job goes for you when you get around to doing it. You're very welcome, and thanks again for such a nice compliment. We appreciate it!
This was very helpful! Saw another video where someone suggested compressing the springs with zip ties which I didn’t see until I had fought with the springs for a while. Oh well haha.
I've seen the zip tie method. The method I like best is showcased in our Part 2 video. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=EP1e2iCo3CW3iTGa
Thank you for the video. What a really poor design! I worked on a 2005 Toyota Land Cruiser today and ended up searching UA-cam for some sort of guidance as I thought I must be doing something wrong.... it turns out that I wasn't, it's just a really awkward job! The tips for the grease to hold the spring retainer plates and showing the special tool to fit the shoe retainers was really useful. It's still a bit baffling that Toyota would design something so poorly (the retaining pin that is bent to fit around the handbrake lever, the lack of easy access to the shoe adjuster, and the position of the shoe retainers without a reasonable sized cutout in the hub flange). Anyway, many thanks to you for taking the time to create and upload a video that helped me today 👍
I'm happy to know our video helped you out. We even made a Part 2 of this job which introduces another tool and technique to get the brakes put back together. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=kaXqbbeCXCYX2pHl
I used TRQ pads-they were EXACTLY like OEM--also-if you take the hub off (4 bolts) it's TONS easier to do this! (no special tools needed) just clamp the fin on the front side with channel locks to hold it while you put the spring on and twist the cap! EASY!
Interesting. There is no ability to get the axle flange out of the way since it's part of the axle. Are you saying you pulled the whole axle? We have a Part 2 video on this subject where we show an even easier way to deal with the parking brake.
The best video on this subject ive seen (theres not that many either) - Thanks - i have a 1997 Landcruiser 5 speed 3.0 TD UK version and it just the same (with one extra spring) - a real pain in the ass
Thanks for the compliment. Between this video and Part 2, we believe we've successfully armed people with the information necessary to make dealing with these parking brake systems a lot more palatable. Happy Wrenching!
Thanks for all the great videos and tutorials that you put together. They are of such great value. I have a question. I have a 97 tacoma with an issue I can't figure out. Most of the time when I attempt to start the truck it clicks once. I try again and it starts every time. The battery is new and the tester at the auto parts store show that my alternator and starter are working as they should. Any ideas at to where the problem is originating from? Thanks again for all that you do.
Thanks and we're happy to know you appreciate our video. We did create a Part 2 video that introduces a different technique to get the brakes put back together using another very affordable tool. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=L1DghVw0OyYmiNwJ
Be sure to watch Part 2 as well for a different technique and tool choice to get the brakes put back together. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=RXT-nGZEp90MxMmq
Thanks! Check out Part 2 as well. We introduce a different techniqe to get the brake shoes in place. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=wg5lkO4rf-85z52i
Hi. Thanks for these helpful videos. Do you have a video on adjusting the parking brake on a 2005 highlander? The parking brake is not completely holding on a hill while in N and brake pedal off but I'm not sure if this is an adjustment on the actual rear brakes, a turnbuckle on cable under the car, or adjusting nut on the actual parking brake pedal/cable.
@@TimmyTheToolman Thanks. A former toyota master tech I just visited with at a Toyota dealership said to not touch the adjusting nuts on the cable itself inside the car but rather through the "stars" on the rear brakes. Guess I need to pull the rear wheels to investigate.
It's been sold out unfortunately. We recently noticed this. I'm sure they'll get more in soon. There's probably a shipment waiting at the docks as we speak.
I have a question for you, it turns out that when I release the handbrake it makes a sound like a metallic click or a squeak but that only happens when I release the handbrake when I raise the handbrake lever there is no sound
You're very welcome. We have a Part 2 for this topic that I think you will also find very helpful. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=JfN6hrveVE1cBvff
Timmy, the other day I accidentally drove about 30 feet or so with the parking brake on before I realized then fixed it. Now I notice squeaking. What do you think the issue is? about a year ago I did the front brakes per your video on Lexus front brakes so that is the age/parts. Not sure on the age of rear parts.
Thanks! We have a Part 2 for this job that showcases another tool and technique to get the parking brake back together. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=MyIv-lNerrYM-xKz
Most of the cable is protected inside the housing. There must be corrosion right at the end where it hooks up with the parking brake lever. I'd spray some penetrant in there and try to work the cable back and forth to break it free.
The Parking brake spring tool you linked is now unavialble. I can't seem to find any tools similar to it. Do u mind linking me to another tool similar to this?
Yes, you can. That pin, at least on the 5th Gen 4runner is recessed a bit into the brake backing plate. A magnet tool will assist you in grabbing it and then you can slide it out the back.
@@TimmyTheToolman cool, thank you for the quick reply. I think i messed it up when i tried to take my break rotor off and forgot to turn off my ebreak… now the pin doesnt hold the spring down low enough, its hitting the hub when i drive.
Hey tim hope you're doing well man. Think it's missed in the video as i don't see it however after buying two different hardware kits, neither of them supplied the lower anchor spring that toyota had oem. Go figure. 2001 sequoia, same as 2001 tundra. Any suggestions for this: my new brake discs are not fitting over the new ebrake shoes - star adjuster is all the way tight and ive tried two different sets of pads. Seems like the pads are too thick.
@@AMavridesR That's most likely your issue unless you don't have the shoes properly seated on the backing plate. I've seen people first hand struggle with the fitment of aftermarket brake pads. So, either take a belt sander to your shoes or drop the money on Toyota OEM. Have you tried searching online for a better price?
My 03 highlander's left rear shoe seems to be dragging on inside of the rotor causing road noise. The right does not. I did brakes, rotors, calipers, and wheel bearings a few yrs ago. I tried to adjust the star a bit and thought it sounded better but with the wheel on the noise is the same but i get a few extra turns of the tire when spun. Any thoughts?
@@TimmyTheToolman OEM shoes....Bosch rotors. No issue on right wheel. I noticed the shoes werent centered on the backing plate and I was able to shift them around on the backing plate pretty easy which makes me think maybe the hardware is worn?
@JCarruth130 The drum shoes can shift around quite a bit based on how they are affixed the the backing plate with springs. That's normal. If the shoes were dragging, they would eventually get quiet after the shoes wore down enough to not be contacting the rotor. Your noise might be something else. But, I'd pull off the rotor and do a thorough visual inspection.
@@TimmyTheToolman i did....shoes look ok.....nothing broken or missing and no excess build up....i thought it may be a bad wheel bearing since I used Moog but no vibration on spring or when spinning hub by itself. Something is def catching bw the noise and less rotations per spin on left from the right.
@@JCarruth130 I don't know what to tell you. Maybe get the rear end off the ground and support the axle on jack stands and have someone helping you by putting the transmission in drive while you listen at the rear axle with a mechanics stethoscope to confirm the noise you are hearing is coming from where you think it is.
It's a waste of time and money, in my opinion. The rear brakes only do around 25% of the braking. It's debatable if a rear disk conversion actually gives you improved braking. Yes, it's easier to do a brake job with disk brakes, but the rear drum brakes on these 3rd Gen 4runners are easy to service. So, there's not much benefit to doing this. It is possible, but you'll have to do the research on it.
Really good job with the detail and great video capture, but many of the comments are obvious and don't need justification. I recommend sticking with short instructions instead of thinking out loud. Images speak a thousand words so getting closeups at the right angles is most important. Rule of thumb: I should be able to follow this on mute if the video is done well. In summary, with some more concise instructions, the video could be reduced to just 4 minutes instead of 40. Just some friendly constructive criticism.
Everyone is at different levels of ability and knowledge. Maybe you could get away with a 4 minute video, but plenty couldn't do without the extra instruction because some of the people using our videos are absolute beginners. So, your suggestion is noted, but I don't think we'll be making videos that short, because I know it will compromise the quality and we will leave people lost.
@nicholash8021 Dude, we aren't going to completely change how we make DIY videos. For every guy who hammers us on the length of our videos, there's at least 50 who give us praise for the detail and explanation we offer. We can always do better at being more succinct with our delivery, but I don't see us producing short videos for involved jobs. There are channels that make videos in the fashion you like. Watch their videos, and if you get lost, you can always come back to our long-winded videos for clarification. It's impossible to please everyone.
@@TimmyTheToolman Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. I found your video very helpful. Just long and had to skip forward a lot. Just honestly giving you feedback. You know your audience better. I wasn't trying to insult. God bless.
@nicholash8021 No offense taken. We've been making videos for over 8 years. This isn't our first rodeo, and we have a certain style that is heavy on detail and heavy on explanation, so NOBODY gets lost. What you did by fast forwarding is exactly what we tell people who think our videos are too long. With an overly detailed video, people who don't require that level can skip forward. For people that would benefit from the extra detail, and we published a shorter version aimed at more experienced DIY Mechanics, we'll, those people are shit out of luck because the information they need wasn't provided by us. I'm glad our video helped you out.
Nobody uses their parking brake while driving unless they forget to release it. There's other reasons for removing the parking brake assembly other than worn out brake shoes, like having to do a rear axle seal and bearing job
@@TimmyTheToolman I replaced all my brakes on my 2006 Town and Country. It was a total mess. I live in Detroit. I had to cut my rotor off. I uncovered one big mass of corrosion underneath. I cut off everything to include the cables. Like I said; I never use my parking brake. If I need to jack up the car, I place blocks on both sides of the unjacked end.
Thanks for the nice compliment Paul. Sean and I pride ourselves in making very detailed videos that leave nobody lost, not even the total beginner. We also have a Part 2 for this video that introduces an even easier way to deal with this parking brake design. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=m5V2MWqDLxEZpeZ5
@paulcamalin5236 That's one way to say it. No doubt there are dumb people in the world, but for the most part, people just need some inspiration to jump into auto mechanics. Basically, we're taking away their excuses for not doing their own work by making very detailed videos. With the Right Information, Right Tools, and Right Level of Patience, anyone can turn wrenches with a high level of success.
@@TimmyTheToolman When doin an instruction video the creator should not assume anything. Once I watched a video and started working on the car but because he missed to mention one simple thing I ended up doing more damage than saving!
@paulcamalin5236 We're always trying our best to deliver good tutorials for people to follow. It's the reason why we have some very long videos and multi part videos. The length of our videos is dictated by the subject matter. I always laugh when someone has a video for a very involved job, and it's something like 20 minutes in length.
Best thing you can do is remove the parking brake altogether so you don’t have to deal with them ever again and then they won’t rub against inside rotor either plus who uses a parking brake nowadays ?
Interesting perspective. What would you do if you parked on a hill? Or you were off-roading and you needed some braking help from the e-brake? We wouldn’t recommend removing any of the safety features from your vehicle. - Sean
In addition to what Sean said, it's bad to rest the weight of your vehicle on the parking pawl. With enough repeated force, that pawl can shear and now you're looking at either spending a ton of time to fix it, or a ton of money to fix it. Your parking brake is what should hold the vehicle from moving, not your transmission. Something to think about Bro. No charge for the wisdom we imparted to you today. - Timmy
I knew our videos were helpful, but I didn't know they were life-saving. It depends on what gender you are for the gift you're offering if I'm going to accept it.
The pin just slides out of the back of the backing plate, and then you feed the new one in the reverse way. We pride ourselves in showing every detail possible, but sometimes we skip things that we feel people can easily figure out.
Thanks for the compliment, and you're very welcome. You'll want to watch our other video on this subject as well. I think the technique we show in Part 2 to get the brakes put back together is better than what we show in Part 1. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=6aW0U4RSe7X6dR2u
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This is one of the best tutorial videos I’ve ever seen about my 4Runner big O messed up my parking break springs and this will help me replace them so it doesn’t rattle. Thank you sir!
Thank you for the nice compliment. We appreciate it! I'm happy to know our video helped you fix the screw-up the Big O shop did. I think you're learning it's better to do your own work when you can. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
This is the best video, detailed, step-by-step video I have seen so far. Thank you!
Thank you for the nice compliment. Be sure to watch Part 2. We introduce an even easier way to get the brake shoes secured with the hold-down spring assemblies.ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=eorWk9PQ5qNUpTXt
Life saver ALL that he talks about is real from Dealership parts to Tools and Tips. Thank you!!
Thank you for the kind words, and you're very welcome. You should watch Part 2 as well because we introduce a different way to get the brake parts reassembled using a very affordable tool. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=B-3RDuuOhhcSH9zI
Where was this video 1 year ago when I did this job on my wife's GX460? I cursed those damn hold down springs so much!! Thanks for this vid Tim!!
@akletke1 Yeah, I knew when we made this video, it would help out a lot of people. That parking brake design is a pain in the butt.
OMG 15 minutes in and already this video is an absolute lifesaver The commentary is on point clear concise step-by-step I don't know how to thank you enough.
I'm happy to know our video helped you out. You should watch Part 2 as well, because we introduce another technique and affordable tool that will give you another and better option (in our opinion) to reassemble the parking brake components. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=tUfio3cDU83j8TQ4
I used the trim tool as the Toyota tool was sold out at Amazon, eBay and Advanced Auto. Years ago i did this job using a barbeque fork!
@@MVRWC Nice use of the BBQ fork.
This was awesome! I was replacing a rear hub on my Venza and when I got the rotor off, the parking break basically fell apart. I knew it needed some attention but didn't realize how bad it was. This was so helpful I had no issues at all. The Venza has more room between the bearing and the parking brake so not quite as tough to get it back together but boy did this help me with the order of all the parts! Thank you so much for the time and effort to put this up.
I'm stoked our video helped you out. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and share your success story with us. Happy Wrenching!
WOW! Now this is a 5th gen video for the books that should be on every DIY 5th gen 4R owners UA-cam favorite list.
Does anyone remember Game Genie for the 1st gen Nintendo (NES)? Well, this video is like a killer Game Genie cheat code for one of your favorite NES games that was impossible to beat.
I am CERTAIN that even the most experienced techs at Toyota dealer service centers will be using this video as a guide for this job. I’ve done this job with a friend and it is one of the most frustrating and painful jobs on 5th Gen 4Runner. It really made us wonder how the assembly guys at the Toyota factory actually put these things together without holding up the assembly line and what special tools they might have to get it done.
Really fantastic work on this video Tim & Sean. Your dedication to servicing the 4R community is 1st class. Keep it up bros! ❤
Thanks for the nice compliment of our work. We really appreciate it! Take a look at the comment from "Maxwell Smart" and my response. There is other ways to deal with the hold-down spring assembly to get the brake shoes secured to the backing plate. We just chose to share our method using the brake tool we discovered. Happy Wrenching!
Very nice, but be advised that there is a much easier way to install those pesky hold-down spring assemblies. Install all their parts into the pin, including anchoring their front plate to the pin head, before adding the brake shoe. Then pull the rear plate (the one that you greased, with the right angle bend on it) towards you with a panel clip removal tool, or a right angle pick, or even a zip tie. This will squeeze the spring towards you, making plenty of room for the brake shoe to slide in behind the rear plate and around the pin, which actually will also be taut by the tension of pulling the rear plate towards you. Then simply guide the right angle bend of the rear plate (again, the one you greased) into its hole on the shoe. Done. Trust me, it is a lot easier this way. Thanks for the video.
We tried doing it the exact way you described with a clip removal tool, and it works, but not as easily as you stated. It's still a fight because the compressed spring assembly with the clip removal tool behind it doesn't offer much room to sneak the brake shoe in place over the pin. But yeah, it eventually works the way you described with enough of a struggle.
Before going with the clip removal tool, I worked with a friend to develop a 2-piece tool to compress the preassembled spring assembly while you rotated the shoe into position over the pin. There was a handle and threaded shaft that fit through the axle hole and a threaded claw foot that would thread into the handle. We found that the claw foot, even though it was relatively thin metal, would get in the way of the shoe sliding into position over the pin. This is when we tried a panel clip removal tool with a long handle and came in from the opposing side, getting behind the spring and levering the tool to compress the spring while getting the shoe into position. We practiced this only on the front shoe. It worked, but it was still quite a bit of a fight. The way we showed in the video is still a fight as well and takes patience because you end up dropping the individual parts when getting them into position.
We also looked into the "bailing wire" technique of compressing the spring assembly, with the bailing wire, threading the bailing wire through the axle hole, rotating the shoe into position over the pin and then cutting the wire free with some wire cutters.
So, I will be respectively disagreeing with statement that the method you described is "Much Easier" because I've personally tried your method and didn't find it much easier. It's just a different method to get the job done.
So, of all the ways discussed, I don't know which is the lesser of all the evils. Maybe we should have also shown the clip removal tool and the bailing wire technique as well. But, we decided to just show the method using the brake tool we featured in the video. Thanks for the comment.
Agreed Timmy… having done this job myself, I can honestly say that what you are showing in this video is, so far, the best way to get this job done. If there’s a better way than this, it might only be known by the Toyota factory assembly line guys in Japan.
@@Wolfgang51501986 Thanks! I really wonder myself how the Toyota Techs handle these parking brake assemblies.
I guess you already read the comment from Maxwell Smart. That was a great show by the way, if you've never seen it. I watched it as a kid in the 70's.
@@TimmyTheToolman Thank you for the reply. I would say that it depends on the shape and size of the clip removal tool used. I've had very good success 4 times with the one that has two bends on the shaft and a horseshoe end. One of the brands for it is XBRN, but there are other identical ones. Thanks again.
@maxagent86 Could you please provide a link to that clip removal tool? It would be nice to provide it for the viewers so they have the option of doing it the way you suggest. I'll add that tool with a comment in the video description.
Well, thanks for the heads up on aftermarket shoes. I probably don't even need to replace my parking shoes, but I'm going to rebuild the calipers (all new rubber parts, need new pads) on my 08 4runner (303k miles). I was going to take off the rotors and measure the thickness, and inspect the parking shoes. I was half figuring how bad could an aftermarket b... silly me. I already discovered that retaining spring tool. It's in the toolbox and waiting. Oh and magnets?! Brilliant!
If you don't need to mess with parking brakes, I suggest you leave them be. You'll most likely have to retract the star adjuster to slide off the rotors and tighten up the star adjuster when you're done doing the caliper rebuilds, but that's as far as I'd go. Unless you left the parking brake on, the shoes will have lots of meat left on them.
Best video on UA-cam for this job without a doubt. Thank You for your effort on explaining this procedure Timmy. My Toyota dealer did a rear brake pad job but broke the pins on the parking brake, now I understand what broke and how it happened.
@jimclark6883 Thanks for the compliment, Jim. You should watch Part 2 as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=oKdSgCExvQqjPNXI
That was a great video!! Really nice camera work and narrative, and you kept it real-parts of that process are not so bad, and parts of it are a real pain. Good work!!
Thanks for the nice compliment Jeff. Have you watched Part 2? ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=fS_02iNIA3ieqpw-
If I can do it with my neighbors assistance to hold the pads and a pair of scissors you can do it! I almost gave up and called a mech but told myself one more try. Being a Marine Corps vet we had to work with what we had!
You should watch Part 2 as well. I know it will help you out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=fR-toozQ9K5fzJ1H
Best video I’ve seen on this process. Thank you. The special tool is fantastic, but don’t forget the most important tool you need for this job is patience. This excellent vid is 38 minutes , but it can actually take a couple of hours if the springs are uncooperative.
Thanks for the compliment. You should watch Part 2 as well because we believe what we show makes the job even easier putting the brake parts back together using a very affordable tool. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=LGgU9NJYfG_ktj5z
You saved my ARSE, After seeing that tool, I used my Lathe & Milling Machine to make one.... ROCK N ROLL,
(G'Day from Melbourne Australia)
Be sure to watch Part 2 as well. I believe this is an even easier way to handle the reassembly of the parking brake using an affordable trim removal tool. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=RgnaIcudHztIFjTx
@@TimmyTheToolman Thank you so much, Here in Australia we call these HAND BRAKES due to being actuated by hand, (though I have seen a few cars where it is a foot pedal) My car is a TOYOTA PRADO 2003 GXL - I don't think they made it to The States, I have received a lot of information on UA-cam from ppl in UK, Africa & Europe, but I'm sure it's very similar to something you guys would have over there, just under a different name
@@frase1234 You're welcome. There's lots of similarities between models in the U.S. and models overseas. I'd love to be able to buy a diesel land cruiser.
100 times better than the other Toyota parking brake videos out there. Very thorough and complete. One tip that they have that you don't is compressing the brake shoe hold down springs with either zip ties or bailing wire (or whatever like that) in order to get them in easier (then cutting the wire/zip tie with wire cutters). Combine that tip with everything you have here and I think you'll manage this job without excess frustration.
Appreciate the compliment and dropping a comment, we tried the method you’re referring to… it gets clunky and difficult to manage as well. There is always multiple ways to get a job done. Keep on wrenching my friend!
- Sean
REALLY helpful video!! Would never tried or managed to do this job without your video! BIG thank you! Small tip, I used a small wire to compress the springs and a string around the shaft to keep the right pin in place.
@@dr10499 I'm glad you found our video helpful. We've seen the trick of compressing the spring with wire but not the string trick. Thanks for sharing that.
We did make a Part 2 showing what I believe is even an easier technique than what we showed in this video to get the brake shoes in place on the backing plate and secured with the hold down spring assembly. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=sSJ_ec6sqvVXlunY
helpful tip. you can put backing clip spring and retaining clip on and use a plastic clip removal tool to compress springs and slid shoes into place. then use pick to set the base clip into the hole. much easier than trying to put each item in, then rotate clip.
Good tip!
Thank you, this was by far the best tutorial that I have learned from!
You're very welcome. You should check out Part 2 as well. We show a different technique to get the brake parts back together using a very affordable tool. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=MpQ9QZ0lHc0etzXe
Just what I needed! I drove around today with my parking brake on! 😫
Well, maybe they aren't completely worn down, but you'll have to pull the rotors to take a look.
Another great video! You and Sean are making DIY great again! Happy Holidays.
Yes, we are trying our best to "Make DIY Great Again". Thanks Richard!
DUDE, you are the man! Total timesaver, thank you!
If you live in the rust belt, as I do, be prepared for a lot of wire brushing to get even close to the lube pads on the plate.
Additionally, if you can't get the special tool, as everywhere I looked was backordered, take a large flat blade screwdriver and use a grinding wheel to notch the end. Not as easy peasy, but it got the job done.
@@zacklozoff8395 You're welcome. Yeah, Macgyveing your own tools works. Good job!
Great video and a handy tool. I believe the reason Toyota made a slot in the shoes is to allow pre-assembly of the pin, spring, and hooked retaining plate assembly prior to fitting the shoe.
Once the pins with springs are assembled, use long nose pliers to hold onto the hook of the retaining plate, stretch the spring, and slip the shoe into place with the pin sliding into the slot. Once the shoe is in place, rotate the hook so that the tip drops into the retaining hole. Use of 50mm (2 Inch) masking tape on the abrasive surface of the shoes will keep the shoes free of grease during assembly. Simply peel the tape off prior to installing the disk/ drum assemblies. It is still a fiddly job requiring patience. The magnet idea is gold. Sorry, just scrolled down and read Max's comment, same technique. Keep up the awesome videos.
Yeah, the Toyota FSM does suggest pre-assembly of the hold-down spring assembly, and it's why they made a slot in the shoe for sure. It's just when it comes time to slide the shoe into position that the nightmare begins. It's easier said than done getting the spring assembly compressed with a tool on the backside of the axle flange while still having enough room to slide the shoe into position over the pin. The clip removal tool that Max suggests does work, but it's still a pain in the ass with limited space to have enough room for the tool and shoe at the same time. Then there's the baiking wire trick and other tricks people have used. We just wanted to try it another way, and I think we succeeded in showing another viable way to get it done. It's just another tool in the toolbox for people to consider and use.
Somebody else mentioned the tape idea, and that's such a simple and genius idea I've never thought of. I will definitely be using that idea in the future.
Thanks for the comment.
I just featured your idea about using masking tape on the brake shoes to keep them free of grease during reassembly. We also tested the tool Max suggested and it working out great. Thanks for sharing that very functional and simple idea of using tape on the shoes. The video will be coming out soon.
that was amazing! you made a very frustrating job look easy.
Well, the video editing has something to do with it, but we believe the techniques we shared will make the job go more smoothly for people. Thanks for the comment!
I played this video at 1.5X Playback Speed. *BEST PARKING BRAKE VIDEO*. 100%
@ThanxBeToGod Thanks for the compliment. You should watch Part 2 as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=MEmpP_8JUJWrKNaN
I used every ounce of my long engineering naus and it nearly broke me, This gig has got to be one of the hardest, and felt at times like doing micro surgery with hands and tools in every position conceivable. Plainly put... it is an 'arse' of a job no two ways about it. Not for the faint hearted or the beginner. You guys "Rock" and there is some serious know-how "Gold" here. Just wish I had watched this before embarking on this ugly journey LoL, Much respect 🙏 Kris from New Zealand
Hey Kris, be sure to watch Part 2 as well. We introduce another affordable tool and a different technique to get the brake shoes affixed to the backing plate with the hold-down spring assemblies. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=fzPdApe0V1eA1QTY
Yesterday I did the parking brake on my 2007 4Runner and the only tool I needed once the brake caliper and disc was removed was a tiny hook tool. Using the guidance from this video, I took the first spring apart as directed by hand. It was a bear to put back together to say the least, not having the specialty tool. I was able to get it back together by compressing the spring with my fingers, and then sliding the shoe in behind it, and it was difficult. When I went onto the second spring of the same wheel (the front shoe), I used a tiny hook tool to not only take it off by unhooking the 90° from the hole, but also when going back together, I was able to compress the spring with the hook tool pulling it toward me and slid the shoe in behind it. I did not even take the second one apart. When I did the other side, having learned this, I unhooked the spring, leaving it intact, changed out the bottom spring, set the star wheel in and guide on top, and the shoe as directed in this video, reached in and compressed the spring with the hook tool slid the shoe in behind it and was able to manipulate the 90° clip into its hole no problem. honestly, this video helped me tremendously but majority (almost all) of what is shown is not needed. The magnets helped greatly to keep the posts in position, but I did the entire job, including removing the springs on top with a hook tool and nothing more. The hook tool was able to slide in between the shoe and the body to set everything exactly in place as well. I did the second one in no time. I’m sorry I don’t have a picture or video to share, but once you get in there, you’ll see that this spring is easily compressed and that doing the portion of the spring with the circular ends does not even need to come apart. I hope this helps.
@@biggiesmalls4604 Thanks for sharing your experience.
A really good video on how to do drum brakes. Thanks for doing the video
Thanks for the compliment Rich and you're very welcome.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DEMO/ HOW TO! ABSOULETLY A LIFESAVER!
You're very welcome. Be sure to watch Part 2 as well for even more tips and tricks on how to handle the parking brake on these rigs. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=RwVk-H8bDZGcpd7Z
Good video great tips and tricks saved me lots of grief I just used hemostats for the spring clips it’s all I had getting your clip oriented the same angle as the pin end before depressing the spring helps
I'm glad our video helped you. Thanks for commenting.
Great video. I had to replace discs. Because I didn't see this video first, I didn't adjust star wheel; shoes dragged so much on drum, I ended up stripping threads in the holes in discs for bolts to push discs off!
Yeah, that's a bummer you didn't see our video sooner, but at least you now have more information at your disposal. We have a Part 2 as well that you should watch. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=15r9WbC1Np_UAYc3
@TimmyTheToolman I'm ahead of you - after watching part 1, I made the tool! Took the widest of my dozens of flat-blade screwdrivers, cut it off at the widest point, and then cut a notch using a little angle grinder. Works great! Irony is that the week before, I put new discs, e-brake shoes, pads, and calipers on my 99 F350. I spent HOURS installing those retainer pins, springs, and caps using screw drivers, needle nose pliers!
So much like the GM drum brakes but they had bigger holes to use standard spring tool 👊🏻 great video
Thanks!
This is the best video, detailed step by step now i can do mine. Thank you
@jerryjermaine8260 Thanks for the compliment, Jerry. Before you dive in, check out Part 2, where we introduce another technique and affordable tool to get the parking brake put back together. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=f7rQzgPRBX3xMLrW
THANKS BROTHER, THIS HELPED A TON !!! VERY GREAT VIDEO !!!
You're welcome!
Great videos... Thanks for posting.
(Those "side" tips are very valuable!... By "side" I mean calling out things that we may encounter in some cases, but not always... Like having to use M8 bolts to pry out the rotor)
Thanks and you're very welcome. Please watch Part 2 as well for another technique to get the brake shoes secured to the backing plate with the hold-down spring assemblies. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=3RgEUJEv3xId1PfS
Thanks! I’m currently replacing my CV axle due to bad bearings and I am having a hard time with the spring (the little ones with the curved pins) omg, I need that tool! Great step by step video…this is going to help me a lot!
Yeah, that parking brake design leaves quite a bit to be desired, but we're hoping that what we have shared is going to make people's lives easier.
Be sure to watch Part 2 as well, because we introduce what I believe as an ever easier way to get the parking brake all back together by using a very affordable tool. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=Zx05g19cyu7cOIUU
@@TimmyTheToolman Awesome ! I will watch it today! Thanks 🙏 again
@@danilolanzas1 You're welcome!
Great video! I ran into the same issue backing off the 8 clicks as the manual states. Its way too loose and the parking brake wouldn't even hold with the pedal pushed all the way down. Looks like the only way to adjust it is trial and error.
I think a good way to adjust it is by going all the way tight and then back it off a few clicks. If the axle turns freely, that's about right. If it feels tight, back it off a little more. So yeah, it's basically trial and error. You just don't want the break dragging and wearing down the pads.
WOW!! This is an AWESOME VIDEO. You really nailed it. I like how you explain every detail, so there is no guess work. Other vids sometimes gloss over a step or two, which leads to second guessing and frustration. Your attention to every detail is superb. Yours is THE BEST REPAIR VIDEO I've ever seen on YT. So glad I came across it. My only concern is, I have a 2017 Lexus ES 350. Can you tell me if Toyota did the same setup for the car? I imagine it could be the same or similar. I guess I won't know until I pull the wheel. Regardless, I'm sure your video will be very helpful, between the little tips and tricks and the special tools list, and also the torque specs (although the ES350's specs might be different.) THANK YOU TIM, for making such an informative video. EXCELLENT!!
@davidjones9661 Hey David, I really appreciate your very nice compliment of our work. We always try our best to give people enough detail to feel confident in performing the job. I'm unsure if the parking brake on your ES 350 is set up exactly like this because I haven't worked on one.
We actually made a Part 2 for this job. It introduces a new tool and technique on how to get the brake shoes attached to the backing plate. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=Vy2BGLWotpL5j6X5
Let us know how the job goes for you when you get around to doing it. You're very welcome, and thanks again for such a nice compliment. We appreciate it!
This was very helpful! Saw another video where someone suggested compressing the springs with zip ties which I didn’t see until I had fought with the springs for a while. Oh well haha.
I've seen the zip tie method. The method I like best is showcased in our Part 2 video. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=EP1e2iCo3CW3iTGa
Amazing video, guys! Thanks for the tremendous detail! Very, very helpful.
You bet Geoff! Hope you get the job done with ease!
- Sean
Dang, been doing this wrong for 10 years, great vid🎉🎉🎉🎉
You should check out our Part 2 video as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=yT0OrUJJfypDyOAD
You are the bomb! Thank you so much! Made my own spring tool out of old chisel
You're very welcome.
Thank you for the video. What a really poor design! I worked on a 2005 Toyota Land Cruiser today and ended up searching UA-cam for some sort of guidance as I thought I must be doing something wrong.... it turns out that I wasn't, it's just a really awkward job! The tips for the grease to hold the spring retainer plates and showing the special tool to fit the shoe retainers was really useful. It's still a bit baffling that Toyota would design something so poorly (the retaining pin that is bent to fit around the handbrake lever, the lack of easy access to the shoe adjuster, and the position of the shoe retainers without a reasonable sized cutout in the hub flange). Anyway, many thanks to you for taking the time to create and upload a video that helped me today 👍
I'm happy to know our video helped you out. We even made a Part 2 of this job which introduces another tool and technique to get the brakes put back together. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=kaXqbbeCXCYX2pHl
Excellent video very explicit. Thank you
Thanks for the compliment, and you're very welcome.
So technical, very informative. Thx so much
You're very welcome.
I used TRQ pads-they were EXACTLY like OEM--also-if you take the hub off (4 bolts) it's TONS easier to do this! (no special tools needed) just clamp the fin on the front side with channel locks to hold it while you put the spring on and twist the cap! EASY!
Interesting. There is no ability to get the axle flange out of the way since it's part of the axle. Are you saying you pulled the whole axle? We have a Part 2 video on this subject where we show an even easier way to deal with the parking brake.
The best video on this subject ive seen (theres not that many either) - Thanks - i have a 1997 Landcruiser 5 speed 3.0 TD UK version and it just the same (with one extra spring) - a real pain in the ass
Thanks for the compliment. Between this video and Part 2, we believe we've successfully armed people with the information necessary to make dealing with these parking brake systems a lot more palatable. Happy Wrenching!
Thank you for the nice and instructive video!
You're very welcome. You should check out Part 2 as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=pcKf261jvjs50Myp
Very helpful and informative video A+, thank you!
@tonybe4726 Thanks for the compliment, and you're very welcome.
EXCELLENT VIDEO GUYS , GREAT DETAILED VIDEO
Thanks George. You should watch Part 2 as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=1bkqQ1dGm7t0frar
You are a life saver, thanks a lot sir.
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Thanks for all the great videos and tutorials that you put together. They are of such great value. I have a question. I have a 97 tacoma with an issue I can't figure out. Most of the time when I attempt to start the truck it clicks once. I try again and it starts every time. The battery is new and the tester at the auto parts store show that my alternator and starter are working as they should. Any ideas at to where the problem is originating from? Thanks again for all that you do.
Are your battery connections clean and tight? Are your grounds tight and free of corrosion?
Awesome, informative video guys.
Appreciate the links!
Our pleasure Ben. Thanks for the comment.
Very well done video and much appreciated.
Thanks and we're happy to know you appreciate our video. We did create a Part 2 video that introduces a different technique to get the brakes put back together using another very affordable tool. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=L1DghVw0OyYmiNwJ
Thanks you for sharing Timmy
Be sure to watch Part 2 as well for a different technique and tool choice to get the brakes put back together. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=RXT-nGZEp90MxMmq
Outstanding video!
Thanks! Check out Part 2 as well. We introduce a different techniqe to get the brake shoes in place. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=wg5lkO4rf-85z52i
Hey Tim great video..I need to remove the parking brake cable from the backing plate to do an axle swap..any suggestions?..im struggling
Watch this video. We cover the disassembly of the parking brake to get the axles out. ua-cam.com/video/fRkedFQkrqs/v-deo.htmlsi=KYZqgIgAytUGrcXS
Hi. Thanks for these helpful videos. Do you have a video on adjusting the parking brake on a 2005 highlander? The parking brake is not completely holding on a hill while in N and brake pedal off but I'm not sure if this is an adjustment on the actual rear brakes, a turnbuckle on cable under the car, or adjusting nut on the actual parking brake pedal/cable.
We haven't worked on Highlander, so we aren't familiar with the parking brake on it.
@@TimmyTheToolman Thanks. A former toyota master tech I just visited with at a Toyota dealership said to not touch the adjusting nuts on the cable itself inside the car but rather through the "stars" on the rear brakes. Guess I need to pull the rear wheels to investigate.
@@mountainbiker4450 That sounds like good advice he gave you. You can most likely adjust the parking brake through an access hole in the brake rotor.
Helpful man...thanks 👍🏾👍🏾
No problem 👍
Brother 5 stars thank you.
Thanks, and you're very welcome. Be sure to watch Part 2 as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=_eAy7S_T6pfcq9oI
Wonderful 👍🤓
Great job very helpful,like it
Thanks Carlos. Be sure to watch part 2 as well. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=xNhbeOqtF6vO_tu7
That did the trick. That’s a lot!
Tricks of the trade my friend! The more you know, the more you suffer.
- Sean
Great video!
@@rguack Thanks!
That JTC tool Sold out in minutes lol
It's been sold out unfortunately. We recently noticed this. I'm sure they'll get more in soon. There's probably a shipment waiting at the docks as we speak.
Excellent video!!!!
Thanks!
I have a question for you, it turns out that when I release the handbrake it makes a sound like a metallic click or a squeak but that only happens when I release the handbrake when I raise the handbrake lever there is no sound
@@josemongebarquero3463 Can't say what the noise is because I'm not there. It might just be the mechanism that actuates the cable.
Thank you for your share this ❤❤❤❤❤ Timmy
You're very welcome. We have a Part 2 as well. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=ewCI84owFQ6VeBqR
Thank you so much!
You're very welcome. We have a Part 2 for this topic that I think you will also find very helpful. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=JfN6hrveVE1cBvff
Timmy, the other day I accidentally drove about 30 feet or so with the parking brake on before I realized then fixed it. Now I notice squeaking. What do you think the issue is? about a year ago I did the front brakes per your video on Lexus front brakes so that is the age/parts. Not sure on the age of rear parts.
I'm not sure what the noise could be, but I'd remove the rotors and investigate.
Thanks Tim.
You're very welcome Ronald!
What would an independent repair shop charge for just LABOR on this job? How many hours is the book time?
I'm not sure what the book time is for this job. We don't work for a dealership or independent shop with that knowledge.
very well done
Thanks! We have a Part 2 for this job that showcases another tool and technique to get the parking brake back together. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=MyIv-lNerrYM-xKz
What happens if the brake cable it’s stuck? How do you loosen it back?
Most of the cable is protected inside the housing. There must be corrosion right at the end where it hooks up with the parking brake lever. I'd spray some penetrant in there and try to work the cable back and forth to break it free.
Great vid!
25:04 i put the grease on the shoe itself. Great idea!!!!!
We have a Part 2 video as well. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=jig5FvdeYuEj-zlG
Great video
Thanks!
The Parking brake spring tool you linked is now unavialble. I can't seem to find any tools similar to it. Do u mind linking me to another tool similar to this?
I did a quick search and found the same tool for sale on Ebay. Here you go: ebay.us/jaMUf1
@@TimmyTheToolmanAlso try doing an internet search for Cal Van 364. Several places have this tool in stock.
Can i remove the “Parking Brake Shoe Hold Down Spring Pin (curved pin)” with out taking off the entire shoe?
Yes, you can. That pin, at least on the 5th Gen 4runner is recessed a bit into the brake backing plate. A magnet tool will assist you in grabbing it and then you can slide it out the back.
@@TimmyTheToolman cool, thank you for the quick reply. I think i messed it up when i tried to take my break rotor off and forgot to turn off my ebreak… now the pin doesnt hold the spring down low enough, its hitting the hub when i drive.
Thanks!
You’re welcome and thank you for the “super thanks!” We greatly appreciate your support!
- Sean 😎👍🏻
Is it the same on a FJ Cruiser ?
I haven't done this on an FJ Cruiser, but I believe it would either be identical or very similar.
Amazing !!!
Thanks Jorge!
Missing the one spring that goes from the hub/ emergency brake cable area to the emergency rear brake, the lower anchor spring
Are you saying you're missing that spring or we missed it in the video?
Hey tim hope you're doing well man.
Think it's missed in the video as i don't see it however after buying two different hardware kits, neither of them supplied the lower anchor spring that toyota had oem. Go figure.
2001 sequoia, same as 2001 tundra.
Any suggestions for this: my new brake discs are not fitting over the new ebrake shoes - star adjuster is all the way tight and ive tried two different sets of pads. Seems like the pads are too thick.
@@AMavridesR Let me guess, the pads are aftermarket?
@@TimmyTheToolman yessir, Bosch. Toyota wanted 250$ for both sides just pads :/
@@AMavridesR That's most likely your issue unless you don't have the shoes properly seated on the backing plate. I've seen people first hand struggle with the fitment of aftermarket brake pads. So, either take a belt sander to your shoes or drop the money on Toyota OEM. Have you tried searching online for a better price?
My 03 highlander's left rear shoe seems to be dragging on inside of the rotor causing road noise. The right does not. I did brakes, rotors, calipers, and wheel bearings a few yrs ago. I tried to adjust the star a bit and thought it sounded better but with the wheel on the noise is the same but i get a few extra turns of the tire when spun. Any thoughts?
Are your shoes OEM or aftermarket? Are the rotors OEM or aftermarket? I've seen issues with aftermarket shoes and rotors. That might be the issue.
@@TimmyTheToolman OEM shoes....Bosch rotors. No issue on right wheel. I noticed the shoes werent centered on the backing plate and I was able to shift them around on the backing plate pretty easy which makes me think maybe the hardware is worn?
@JCarruth130 The drum shoes can shift around quite a bit based on how they are affixed the the backing plate with springs. That's normal. If the shoes were dragging, they would eventually get quiet after the shoes wore down enough to not be contacting the rotor. Your noise might be something else. But, I'd pull off the rotor and do a thorough visual inspection.
@@TimmyTheToolman i did....shoes look ok.....nothing broken or missing and no excess build up....i thought it may be a bad wheel bearing since I used Moog but no vibration on spring or when spinning hub by itself. Something is def catching bw the noise and less rotations per spin on left from the right.
@@JCarruth130 I don't know what to tell you. Maybe get the rear end off the ground and support the axle on jack stands and have someone helping you by putting the transmission in drive while you listen at the rear axle with a mechanics stethoscope to confirm the noise you are hearing is coming from where you think it is.
I would love to have Dick brake on my 98 4Runner. What are my options? Is this possible?
It's a waste of time and money, in my opinion. The rear brakes only do around 25% of the braking. It's debatable if a rear disk conversion actually gives you improved braking. Yes, it's easier to do a brake job with disk brakes, but the rear drum brakes on these 3rd Gen 4runners are easy to service. So, there's not much benefit to doing this. It is possible, but you'll have to do the research on it.
Really good job with the detail and great video capture, but many of the comments are obvious and don't need justification. I recommend sticking with short instructions instead of thinking out loud. Images speak a thousand words so getting closeups at the right angles is most important. Rule of thumb: I should be able to follow this on mute if the video is done well. In summary, with some more concise instructions, the video could be reduced to just 4 minutes instead of 40. Just some friendly constructive criticism.
Everyone is at different levels of ability and knowledge. Maybe you could get away with a 4 minute video, but plenty couldn't do without the extra instruction because some of the people using our videos are absolute beginners. So, your suggestion is noted, but I don't think we'll be making videos that short, because I know it will compromise the quality and we will leave people lost.
@@TimmyTheToolman maybe cut in half?
@nicholash8021 Dude, we aren't going to completely change how we make DIY videos. For every guy who hammers us on the length of our videos, there's at least 50 who give us praise for the detail and explanation we offer. We can always do better at being more succinct with our delivery, but I don't see us producing short videos for involved jobs. There are channels that make videos in the fashion you like. Watch their videos, and if you get lost, you can always come back to our long-winded videos for clarification. It's impossible to please everyone.
@@TimmyTheToolman Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. I found your video very helpful. Just long and had to skip forward a lot. Just honestly giving you feedback. You know your audience better. I wasn't trying to insult. God bless.
@nicholash8021 No offense taken. We've been making videos for over 8 years. This isn't our first rodeo, and we have a certain style that is heavy on detail and heavy on explanation, so NOBODY gets lost. What you did by fast forwarding is exactly what we tell people who think our videos are too long. With an overly detailed video, people who don't require that level can skip forward. For people that would benefit from the extra detail, and we published a shorter version aimed at more experienced DIY Mechanics, we'll, those people are shit out of luck because the information they need wasn't provided by us.
I'm glad our video helped you out.
I NEVER use my parking brake while in motion. I very seldom use it on flat terrain. Therefore the shoes are always in perfect condition.
Nobody uses their parking brake while driving unless they forget to release it. There's other reasons for removing the parking brake assembly other than worn out brake shoes, like having to do a rear axle seal and bearing job
@@TimmyTheToolman I replaced all my brakes on my 2006 Town and Country. It was a total mess. I live in Detroit. I had to cut my rotor off. I uncovered one big mass of corrosion underneath. I cut off everything to include the cables. Like I said; I never use my parking brake. If I need to jack up the car, I place blocks on both sides of the unjacked end.
@@ExtremeRecluse I don't envy the people that live in the Rust Belts of the country.
You gorgot your mignites which was holding the both pens
Some people like you just know how to make an instruction video. Some on youtube are just waste of time!
Thanks for the nice compliment Paul. Sean and I pride ourselves in making very detailed videos that leave nobody lost, not even the total beginner.
We also have a Part 2 for this video that introduces an even easier way to deal with this parking brake design. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=m5V2MWqDLxEZpeZ5
@@TimmyTheToolman car repair for dummies 😂
@paulcamalin5236 That's one way to say it. No doubt there are dumb people in the world, but for the most part, people just need some inspiration to jump into auto mechanics. Basically, we're taking away their excuses for not doing their own work by making very detailed videos. With the Right Information, Right Tools, and Right Level of Patience, anyone can turn wrenches with a high level of success.
@@TimmyTheToolman When doin an instruction video the creator should not assume anything. Once I watched a video and started working on the car but because he missed to mention one simple thing I ended up doing more damage than saving!
@paulcamalin5236 We're always trying our best to deliver good tutorials for people to follow. It's the reason why we have some very long videos and multi part videos. The length of our videos is dictated by the subject matter. I always laugh when someone has a video for a very involved job, and it's something like 20 minutes in length.
Best thing you can do is remove the parking brake altogether so you don’t have to deal with them ever again and then they won’t rub against inside rotor either plus who uses a parking brake nowadays ?
Interesting perspective. What would you do if you parked on a hill? Or you were off-roading and you needed some braking help from the e-brake? We wouldn’t recommend removing any of the safety features from your vehicle.
- Sean
In addition to what Sean said, it's bad to rest the weight of your vehicle on the parking pawl. With enough repeated force, that pawl can shear and now you're looking at either spending a ton of time to fix it, or a ton of money to fix it. Your parking brake is what should hold the vehicle from moving, not your transmission. Something to think about Bro. No charge for the wisdom we imparted to you today. - Timmy
Where’s the link for the tool?
Parking Brake Spring Tool amzn.to/47ytRWL (Amazon)
*Parking Brake Spring Tool ebay.us/jaMUf1 (Ebay)
Timmy, great video. Thanks for posting. But I have to say ... this is some crap engineering on the part of Toyota!
I agree they could have made the design more user friendly for sure
You just saved my life let me give u a tip suck for that
I knew our videos were helpful, but I didn't know they were life-saving. It depends on what gender you are for the gift you're offering if I'm going to accept it.
@@TimmyTheToolman female 😏
@@mast3r140 In that case, I accept!
@@TimmyTheToolman set the time and place and ill be there! 😘
@mast3r140 Very tempting, but I'm married. I am flattered, though. This is a first for me.
You literally skip over how to replace the bent pin wtf
The pin just slides out of the back of the backing plate, and then you feed the new one in the reverse way. We pride ourselves in showing every detail possible, but sometimes we skip things that we feel people can easily figure out.
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Amazing video, guys! Thanks for the tremendous detail! Very, very helpful.
Thanks for the compliment, and you're very welcome. You'll want to watch our other video on this subject as well. I think the technique we show in Part 2 to get the brakes put back together is better than what we show in Part 1. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/5HDgG6Y8bwU/v-deo.htmlsi=6aW0U4RSe7X6dR2u
Excellent video, many thanks!
@YULABEBE Thanks for the compliment, and you're very welcome!