As a past mechanic im good with my hands i have done two spring motors recently and had no troubles. What i did differently i coated the inside of drum with grease and put grease on the spring as i was installing it into the drum. And after the spring was inplace i applied more grease. Wish i had a better idea at that time of what grease to have used. But has bin working well. Nice video thanks for posting it its very good.
Hi Cliff... I am glad to have an opportunity to watch you put a new spring into the barrel. Smooth and confident. I have been over complicating the process, holding the can in a vice on the floor, then using a brush to grease as a go. Thanks for this lesson!
While I absolutely appreciate your skills. I cannot connect the spring at the very beginning before starting to curl it. All I needed was a new spring for my two barrel motor. All cleaned up. Ready to install the spring and I cannot do it. I am a handy gal and can do anything if someone teaches me on UA-cam. What I would really like to see is an up close start to the very beginning when you connect the spring to the barrel. Is that possible? Or maybe I just don’t have the strength to do it. Either way I could use some tips to get that end coil connected and to stay put while before winding the rest of the spring in the barrel.
You would feel very foolish if I were able to show you my method of spring replacement. In my youth, I worked as a small engine mechanic, and I replaced pull-start springs exactly how you did in this video. But one day, and "old-timer" came into the shop and laughed at me as I serviced his mower. In his 80's, he was a retired mechanic. Showed me what he called the "proper" method. Takes literally 2 minutes--less with experience. Very easy, but not obvious to anyone not having seen it. In a nutshell, you don't unload/decompress the new spring from its packaging. You simply spool it from the package directly into its permanent installation. And you will also need a simple hand-tool for your use-case. (For small engines, we used the actual pulley wheel itself, though a better one can be made by sacrificing one for its core.) The end picture: You place the new spring and package either directly into the mount, or directly above it (if it won't fit inside), anchor the outer end, then turn the inside in order to respool. That way, you don't accidentally bend or otherwise damage the new spring. And even better, you don't need gloves to prevent slicing your hands into deli meat.
I had a spring in my X1 replaced recently, and I told my son how it broke after 100 years, but how long will our modern electronics last? probably 10 if we are lucky. lol.
If we use a steel spring which is very much hard and thick so it can store more power Use hydroulic machine for winding up and we got more power for anything 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I buy springs from Ron Sitko in Waterford, NY. He has been making springs since the 1980s. I don't have his contact info right now, just Google him and you'll find it.
There are springs available on Ebay. Sonora phonographs used many different motors over the years. They pretty much bought motors from several different generic motor builders to use in their phonographs so there were many different spring sizes. Can you provide a picture of the motor?
A slight wobble is usually caused by a gunked up governor. The governor flywheel has to move very smoothly up and down the governor shaft. When it gets gunked up, it doesn't slide freely as the weights expand and the speed doesn't remain constant. You must clean the governor assembly to remedy this. First, make sure the mainsprings are COMPLETELY UNWOUND. Remove the governor. Loosen the set screw that secures the stationary end of the governor spring assembly to the governor shaft and remove the assembly from the governor shaft. Clean the governor shaft to a bright polish. Clean the inside of the flywheel shaft and the flywheel face. Reinstall the governor spring assembly onto the governor shaft. There should be a little dimple in the shaft for the set screw. Secure the set screw in that dimple. Lubricate the ends of the governor shaft and grease the governor shaft worm gear. Reinstall the governor making sure there is only a very tiny amount of back and forth play in the governor shaft. Place a few drops of oil on the governor stop pad. Crank up the motor and see if that fixed the problem,
I have. I try to always keep mine inside a big towel and away from windows. I wear a face shield too. Sometimes, especially with Edison ones that used graphite grease, they can get mighty slippery
As a past mechanic im good with my hands i have done two spring motors recently and had no troubles. What i did differently i coated the inside of drum with grease and put grease on the spring as i was installing it into the drum. And after the spring was inplace i applied more grease. Wish i had a better idea at that time of what grease to have used. But has bin working well. Nice video thanks for posting it its very good.
I will now call you "the spring man."
Hi Cliff... I am glad to have an opportunity to watch you put a new spring into the barrel. Smooth and confident. I have been over complicating the process, holding the can in a vice on the floor, then using a brush to grease as a go. Thanks for this lesson!
Very impressive!!!
WOW! You make it look so easy ;) Brilliant video ;)))))
Just strong hands and a weak mind...
Just strong hands and a weak mind...
i need someone to take all 3 springs out of my edison triumph motor and needs a clean and re-grease
PDX78s new subscriber, nice work
While I absolutely appreciate your skills. I cannot connect the spring at the very beginning before starting to curl it. All I needed was a new spring for my two barrel motor. All cleaned up. Ready to install the spring and I cannot do it. I am a handy gal and can do anything if someone teaches me on UA-cam. What I would really like to see is an up close start to the very beginning when you connect the spring to the barrel. Is that possible? Or maybe I just don’t have the strength to do it. Either way I could use some tips to get that end coil connected and to stay put while before winding the rest of the spring in the barrel.
You would feel very foolish if I were able to show you my method of spring replacement. In my youth, I worked as a small engine mechanic, and I replaced pull-start springs exactly how you did in this video. But one day, and "old-timer" came into the shop and laughed at me as I serviced his mower. In his 80's, he was a retired mechanic. Showed me what he called the "proper" method. Takes literally 2 minutes--less with experience. Very easy, but not obvious to anyone not having seen it. In a nutshell, you don't unload/decompress the new spring from its packaging. You simply spool it from the package directly into its permanent installation. And you will also need a simple hand-tool for your use-case. (For small engines, we used the actual pulley wheel itself, though a better one can be made by sacrificing one for its core.) The end picture: You place the new spring and package either directly into the mount, or directly above it (if it won't fit inside), anchor the outer end, then turn the inside in order to respool.
That way, you don't accidentally bend or otherwise damage the new spring. And even better, you don't need gloves to prevent slicing your hands into deli meat.
I had a spring in my X1 replaced recently, and I told my son how it broke after 100 years, but how long will our modern electronics last? probably 10 if we are lucky. lol.
I'd say you've done that a time or two. LOL
I grease the entire length is my spring on both side prior to putting it back in. I didn't see that done here but maybe I missed it.
If we use a steel spring which is very much hard and thick so it can store more power
Use hydroulic machine for winding up and we got more power for anything 🤔🤔🤔🤔
were did you buy the spring from
I buy springs from Ron Sitko in Waterford, NY. He has been making springs since the 1980s. I don't have his contact info right now, just Google him and you'll find it.
Well, you didn't get those "guns" from working on a Technics belt drive!
I need to find a new spring for my Sonora 1915
There are springs available on Ebay. Sonora phonographs used many different motors over the years. They pretty much bought motors from several different generic motor builders to use in their phonographs so there were many different spring sizes. Can you provide a picture of the motor?
I just bought a Victrola VV43 and I noticed a slight wobble. Is that normal and can it be fixed?
A slight wobble is usually caused by a gunked up governor. The governor flywheel has to move very smoothly up and down the governor shaft. When it gets gunked up, it doesn't slide freely as the weights expand and the speed doesn't remain constant. You must clean the governor assembly to remedy this. First, make sure the mainsprings are COMPLETELY UNWOUND. Remove the governor. Loosen the set screw that secures the stationary end of the governor spring assembly to the governor shaft and remove the assembly from the governor shaft. Clean the governor shaft to a bright polish. Clean the inside of the flywheel shaft and the flywheel face. Reinstall the governor spring assembly onto the governor shaft. There should be a little dimple in the shaft for the set screw. Secure the set screw in that dimple. Lubricate the ends of the governor shaft and grease the governor shaft worm gear. Reinstall the governor making sure there is only a very tiny amount of back and forth play in the governor shaft. Place a few drops of oil on the governor stop pad. Crank up the motor and see if that fixed the problem,
Thanks. Hopefully I can get it fixed without messing things up. lo
Has one ever gotten loose on you halfway thru?? Looks dangerous... Thanks for the video, you did a great job!
When I first started doing springs, I had a couple scary incidents, but my hands have become much smarter after a few hundred springs.
I have. I try to always keep mine inside a big towel and away from windows. I wear a face shield too. Sometimes, especially with Edison ones that used graphite grease, they can get mighty slippery