What Was The Deal With Margaret? [Persona 4 Golden Analysis]
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- I had no idea how to title this. Margaret from Persona 4 and Persona 4 Golden is a character often dismissed as flat, but there's actually quite a lot of intrigue to extract from her place in P4 and P4G. This character analysis then seeks to answer somewhat; What was the deal with Margaret?
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I can't wait for the rest!
That bit about revelation 12:1 is cool as heck
So True!
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@@HidinginPrivate wow you got notice by a large content creator, so coool
It's a really cool connection between Margaret and the Empress arcana. The Empress card has a soft yet strong aura and she is presumably pregnant. When you get this card in a reading, it is about birthing, creating, making new projects, a new house, a new job, an actual baby, etc. Margaret's social link requires you to fuse, create, give birth to new personas.
It's also kinda ironic considering her voice actor was pregnant while working on Golden.
Margaret pregnant alright with Yu’s baby
PREGANANANT?!
Wow you really did Margaret great justice. I always liked her design and was bumped that we didn’t learn a lot about her in the game. These little details you highlighted made me appreciate her character as well as her designer a lot more.
she’s always been my personal least favorite attendant but there certainly is more to her than i really paid attention
She's very muted compared to the others so I get that, She's not my favorite, but I like her quite a bit
@@HidinginPrivate I enjoy her muted personality. It’s more true to life compared to the annoying anime personalities of the rest of the p4 cast. Plus she’s the oldest of the attendants so it makes sense for her to be more mature unlike Elizabeth who’s childish af and then the literal children of p5 lol
@@alexanderluna4598 Persona 4 cast personalities are the best, no cap
@@alrest8060 if you’re into anime weeb shit then yeah. If you’re a normal person then they’re just annoying and tropey af.
Pretty good and insightful video
Since Margaret keeps her cards to her chest, she has an air of mystery and intrigue that separates her from her peers. Caroline and Justine have, IMO, fairly predictable (though enjoyable) character arcs. And FES heavily emphasizes Elizabeth's eventual growth with the dates. But Margaret is different... when she appears, there's never really an idea of what she'll do. And what little moments she has (such as when you fight her) give you a lot to chew on.
Still though, there isn't denying that Margaret is mostly mild. This is something the spinoffs greatly improve, particularly in Persona Q. Where she's contrasted heavily with her siblings as someone willing to crack the whip, somewhat harsh and even at times, impatient, with how immature and foolish the antics of the main cast are. I adore her in that game, even if the general characterization in Persona spinoffs titles can be hit or miss.
It's kinda funny how when I first played the game I was like: "I need to know Margaret..... *NOW*" only to realize I needed to be smart and that it only is available at may the 19th. Sure as many probably wanted I wanted to wow her, but what I did learn and explore through her challenges made me respect her even more and as Yosuke said she is a *Real* women and that us intriguing her despite her not having that much "Personality".
Does her social link start on my birthday?
@@cjnewman7550 same
Another great video! Really cool to know more about Margret's character I never expected for it to be written as in depth as it is.
Also in 1:23 when it talks about how the soul is fragile and it can easily be led astray, you mentioned it could be a P2 reference because of the rumors mentioned (which I agree with), I also believe it could be a bit connected with Adachi since he's also from the fool arcana (jester but it has a similar role I believe) and since he acts as a paralel to Yu it demonstrates how a pure soul ended up losing it's way, tying up the theme back together and having Yu as the pure soul on one side of it and Adachi on the other side as the one who lost it's way.
Very good point!! I'll note that for the opus version of the series
@@HidinginPrivate thank you
Never really paid much attention to Margaret before, really cool analysis! Never made the connection with Revelation
The Revelation connection for me was a mind blown moment
Love your persona analysis! You deserve way more views!!!
Thanks! I'm trying my best, engaging and sharing the videos is the best way I can hope to improve that
I love that this Atlus is into the Esoteric and uses that information for the basis of their games, so neat! Thanks for the analysis
Yooo, If Marge's video is this good, I can't even imagine the main cast segments. I especially liked the biblical reference.
Thanks! Yeah that was my favorite discovery here
Holy shit this is a refreshing take of P4 analysis video. Looking forward to other videos and fingers crossed that you're not one of the P4 players who thins Yukiko's boring
Thanks! I give all of the characters their fair due. The Yukiko segment won't come out for a while but I spent the last 4 months writing all of the segments, recording audio etc, so I can tell you now the Yukiko video sits around 45min
With how well put together this is, I'm amazed your channel isn't bigger! Well done!
You can help me grow it!! The comment helps a lot!
I admit I haven't played any of the Persona games and only watched a few episodes of the anime but I really enjoyed your analysis regardless, You perfectly covered the symbolism and inferred meanings of what is said and it made this very interesting watching it from the outside
Thank you for all your hard work, I look forward to seeing your next video in the series to learn more of the Persona universe
Keep up the great work~
I hope you are having a great day, Enjoy the rest of your week, Be safe and Take care out there wherever you are (^=W=^)
I like your persona videos because I don't really understand all of what's going on but I still find them enjoyable and fun to watch lol
I'm glad you enjoy them anyway you can. Thanks for commenting
Great analysis! I never really did anything with Margareth's social link, but it seems I missed out on some cool little details about her
The thing about the rumor comment inaba's descion to believe in the mass media lies is partially due to the intense rumor mill within it, as those sorts of things are more intense within a small town, its why the first enemy of the game is are those mouth things as their name means slip of the tongue, and we constantly see people spreading rumors in the game as well, in fact that's how we find out about the midnight channel
I'm so exited to see more of these persona 4 analysis series, which made me think, are you going to make another series on other persona games, or is this one your favorite and it's some fun personal project?
Persona 4 will probably be my favorite i terms of content and themes and love in depth analysis like these to see and learn stuff i may have not known about. thank for these and keep up the good work.
I really wish persona 6 will have Margret as the new Velvet Room ruler. I feel like she's the best successor of seen characters.
I knew Margaret was an amazing complex character, but now I know a lot more thanks to you. Your analysis was very interesting and compelling. If only you could of squeezed in the little hidden fact that she seems to be a Jojo fan based on PQ and P4D, but I know this is mainly a Golden analysis
Thank you! I'm glad you decided to drop by and leave a comment. Due to dubious Canon unliklihood I excluded info from any of the spinoffs and anime, so as you suspected, I was aiming to give input on her character from the game itself. This also includes leaving out things like her being a sadist and what not that we're added as traits in the fighting games
That makes perfect sense. It would have been weird to state that Margaret cares about the protagonist’s growth, but at the same time, you have that scene in the anime where she allegedly told Nanako that she thinks Protag is a man-whore
Good work mate, love your analysis.
Thanks, with this series I've tried to dig deep while not reaching outside of what I believe was intentional
There’s so much to this game I haven’t explored yet and I’ve played it through at least 5 times both on P4 and P4G.
Nice analysis, hiding!
Thank you!
Great Video! Short, yet informative.
So I was wondering: Is this your second main channel now? You clearly put a lot of work and care into these videos. What exactly determines what goes to "Public" vs. "Private"? This style of video essay is not too different from your previous work.
I guess the main distinction is this is more video game focused
I thought this was going to explain what was that kiss on the last day all about. I always saw Margaret as an aunt or something like that. And then things get weirder with Lavenza that looks like a child.
I wonder what arcana my soul would be. In reality it probably hard to put someone in a box like that though
You can take a bunch of tests but I always get different results since this sort of stuff is pm pseudoscience irl
There is a lot more to Margaret then I gave her credit for
"Withstand this!"
Great video on Personas mysterious best gir.. Woman!
She's a real woman!
margaret is just an average jojo fan
Margaret was always my favorite Velvet Room Attendant. Thank you for covering her.
yoooooooo it's margaret time babyyyyy
Yooooo let's gooooo
Revelations: Persona IV
True!
Best girl, in my humble opinion.
She's pretty great. I like that she does not scream and is not loud or obnoxious
Lets help the algorithm
She basically inserted herself into a story cause she didn't love the ending of it.
good video
Thanks
I love persona 4
Marge from person for
True!
I was just thinking are we gonna get a redo on the old Yosuke video? And if so may you pronounce Yu Narukami as Yu Nakamura again?
Audio already recorded and edited for the Yosuke video. No nakamura. But yes a proper Yusuke video is in the works. The raw edited audio sits a little under 45min
@@HidinginPrivate What a shame, at least you accidentally typed Yusuke instead of Yosuke in your reply to cheer me up.
Epic
thankya
Other analysis channels: "Heh, the Personas are just like Jungian psychology!"
Hiding: "Oh, yes, but have you read... The Bible? "👀
Jungian archetypes refer to cross cultural consistent character types that express certain ideas or purposes within a story. The tarot, based on star signs go back to the dark ages and even earlier with Roman mythos (around during the events of the bible) and so from a place of archetype and mysticism the Bible, star signs and archetypes are wound in a way that can't be accurately observed without seeing it from all directions. Jung himself regularly quotes and makes mention of the Bible and biblical passages/stories when referring to archetypal ideas in his works, so a work would have to have a fairly shallow take on the tarot not to include allusions to the Bible, broader abrahamic faiths and early religion. For a series so deadset on bringing jungs metaphor and psychology into a somewhat literal realm, allusions to scripture are natural and necessary. Bc persona is a well written and well made series
@@HidinginPrivate Damn. Well, you got me there.
Woo
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whole some
all of the some
DUDE
SHES A REAL WOMAN
Margret is my favorite Velvet Room Attendant (Elizabeth my least. She annoys tf outta me actually...). People who claim she has no personality are conflating bombastic extroversion with personality. Margaret is calm, concise and reserved. That is very much a personality.
Don't forget that she loves to tease both Yu and Marie, just subtly. And then there's her not often shown flares of annoyance or anger like during a fusion accident in PQ.
This actually made me like her a little bit, I really had absolutely no feelings towards her when I played
Glad to hear!
Margaret kinda bad
Def biggest mommy energy
Any chance we get a Kanji tatsumi video??
Yes. It will be a while before it drops but it is the 3rd longest segment
niceeeeeeeeee
Thanks!
Persona 4
True!
How are u functioning as a channel
She's still probably my least favorite P4 social link just due to how little there is to it, but I'm continually impressed with the raw care that they put into everything so that even the flattest character has something to chew on.
Honestly agree with most that Margrets character is boring but the one main problem I have with her is that her moments of being a likeable/fun character all feel out of character and slightly forced imo.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but the way you phrased this makes responding to it very difficult. You mention you agree with most, so there's a snuck premise, and that the moments are out of character without mentioning which ones. So I'm glad you decided to watch, and earnestly appreciate the engagement. I don't understand your opinion, but with current info can't really rebutt it either.
@@HidinginPrivate Oh sorry about that. If anything I meant more that I've heard a few people also share the same opinion with me instead of "Most" and I would say her out of character moments for me are mostly when she is a suddenly more quirky than usual like for instance the puns and stuff which is pretty similar to how Elizabeth and the Twins were handled with them having both very serious and slightly more silly sides but something about how Margaret was handled just feels off to me and I couldn't say why for the life of me.
I don't think it's out of character, the reason is that most of the time we see Margaret being serious or monotonous, so when she gets "playful" or makes a joke you feel that way, but she has given indications that her personality is like that on her social links and when you talk to her in the velvet room
@@alrest8060 And that's where we will simply disagree my friend.
Idk
Didn't fuse
Not a bitch.
That's like saying you never took your training wheels off your bike bc ur not a bitch. Sure, it's pretty hard to ride a bike as a fully grown adult with training wheels still on, but part of learning how to ride a bike is the process of taking them off.
@@HidinginPrivate fuseing makes game easier. Just like putting on training wheel.
I know nkthing about marget because she wanted me to go outt my way to bring her certain persona i didn't want.
I never fused in golden lol
You’re kind of kneecaping yourself
You’re kind of kneecaping yourself
didn't need a crutch
not a bitch@@harrybechtle4333
Theo is better
The only male attendant in the hashino velvet room needs some representation
@@HidinginPrivate Yes indeed
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