Even though it's "only a museum piece", Dave, you won't return it until it's better than when you borrowed it. Every person wishes they had a neighbor like you.
Well, I nearly fell off my chair when I saw the roller. When I was going through my apprenticeship (electrical) back in the 70s, there was one of these fellows in our main workshop, at the time very much still in use for bending steel for transformer and DC motor mounts or parts. If our elderly millwright had to use it, it was up to us apprentices to provide the power for him. It was a great part of our day to get a call from old Ron to come and help as he had a very dry sense of humour and ensured the we enjoyed our time with him if only for an hour or 2. He did go through its history, which I have forgotten over the years, never thought I'd ever see one again, but how wrong can one be. And now I'm feeling oh so old, lol. This isn't the first time you've shown tools & plant I worked on and with during the 70s, and for that I'll be eternally thankful. The memories and tears of joy are gold. As always, THANK YOU for posting.
@Pilot McBride -- What an interesting comment. Thanks for sharing. I remember working with some weird looking tools back in the 70s. Never saw one of these, though.
@@ron.v thank you for your reply my friend. Back then we were working on gear from the 1920s onward. Old rotary converters, mercury arc rectifiers, oils circuit breakers, etc. If component that broke or wore out had to be made by hand, all motors, including office desk fan motors were rewound. Even the RC pony motors on some of the huge units had pony motors just to get them to roll over prior to energising, 😆. Nothing was scrapped, nothing was thrown away. All the brass fitting were saved for later reuse, a fantastic place to work. And we got paid the princely sum of $41 per fortnight and paid $4 tax. Plus we had to buy our own tools! 1st year top shelf tools cost $68 for the kit and 2nd year $120 per kit. A lot of money back then for a lad. 2nd year wages we $52 per fortnight. Lots of memories, lots of experiences. Cheers my friend, look after yourself.
@@PilotMcbride Amadou Hampâté Bâ once said, "When an old man dies, a library burns." I actually never heard of the guy but I love the quote. Thanks for sharing a small portion of your library. My dad (b.1919) was a millright at U.S. Steel he worked on nearly everything there. My brother worked in the 'electric' shop there rewiring motors, etc. I loved talking to them about how things worked. Dad grew up during the Great Depression and served in WWII when things were rationed. He taught us to "Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without." I love your comments and work ethic. Makes me wonder how many young people today would be willing to work for so little. My first paychecks were about the same as yours but that was when we could buy a car for about the price of a monthly payment today. Best wishes to you, my friend.
@@ron.v my granddad and his father shovelled sh*t, I kid you not. They had a lease at the Sydney sewage works at the turn. After their land would be drained they grew veges which they sold in their shop up on the main rd, 😄. All the old tradies I worked with had stories to tell, both about and around the job, how to keep things in tip top conditions, which bushings are the real wear points, what to look for etc. But we also had the hazing war against the younger tradies, 😂. And we as a group did pretty well against them, but in the end, the tradies won, 😂😂. The absolute worst of the job, unknown by us at the time, was the asbestos. It was everywhere. Asbestos matting in the rotary converters, switchgear, roofing, absolutely everywhere. All my old workmates except my brother and a short termer have passed. 1955 was a good year, 😂😂😂.
@@PilotMcbride A good friend retired as a master carpenter. He told me he had asbestos up to his elbows in the days when it was in common use. It never seemed to bother him and he died at a ripe old age. On the other hand, my brother had breathing problems as a result of asbestos. He passed in 2017. Some people seem to have suffered from it more than others.
God I love seeing older equipment like that, the amount of engineering that went into something that had a simple task, but with multiple used, is commendable. AND once again from watching your videos and also reading some of the comments I learned something again. Gabe. below gave an easy assesment to evaluate Steel vs Iron, by drilling and observing the drill outs. "Crumble it's iron, curls its steel" I don't know why but I've always felt that each time I drilled and seen that the curls meant steel to me. and Gabe just verified that for me!. strange how sometimes ones gut instincts can be true. nice feeling and thank Dave, and Gabe.
هذه الة تعويج الحديد اصليه وذو قوه ومتانه متقنه تستحق اصلاحها اما الالات الحديثه في الوقت الحالي التي نجدها في الاسواق لاتستطيع الاعتماد عليها على كل حال لقد ابدعت في عملك باستعادت هذه الماكنه الى العمل من جديد شكرا لك اخي الكريم على هذا الفديو الجميل الذي من خلاله نستفاد ونستمتع ونرجو المزيد: شكرا
I found it quite amusing that you didn’t want to break yours....but didn’t mind risk breaking theirs...but a good repair job as I doubt anyone will use their roller ever again...
Hello David nice vlog and it is as you say the old machines that was used to make the wagons etc is part of the history and very nice to see them being used even if they need a repair now and again 😀👍👍 I see from the snow that winter ❄️ has arrived 🥶🥶🥶
I liked how each nut and washer, when removed, was placed in an orderly row to be returned to it's exact place. That's the way I was taught to take apart things. Too often today in restoration videos every nut, bolt and washer is heaved into a pile where it's a guessing game later of their original position.
in the 50;s as a twelve or fourteen year old i worked a summer for a small musieum just west of the town of selma california. i would ride mt bike out to there and my main job was taking care of the fourty mule train. the whole train was laid out in the sun and the leather harnesses were dry and checked so i spend weekends oiling all the leather harnesses for the whole 40 mules and cleaning all the metal on the train . i have wondered over the years if the train was still there or what happened to it. there wasnt much i could do to the wood parts of the train but marvelled at the wheels and dad would explain how they were made. dad loved wagons, wanted one all his life. im jim mullins and this comment may show as lou anna my wife
Wow! The first roller you showed, with the three-place adjustment notches is exactly what we had at the wagon shop at Dollywood. Our roller was powered off our line shaft, so had a flat-belt pulley in place of the crank handle, but was otherwise the same! Wonderful memories!!
The wagon shop was one of the main reasons I liked going to Dollywood. After they shut it down I lost interest. They were the best looking wagons this side of the Mississippi and equal to Engels Coach in quality.
@@fretfancollingsd2 Yes, it is sad it is gone. I built the last wagon out of there, a two-seat Buckboard with a green-stained body and natural running gear. IMHO it was the prettiest wagon that ever left the shop. Time do change. :'(
YEP ,THE OLDER ORE ,SMELTING , FORGING AND GENERAL WORKMANSHIP ,WERE AND IN ALMOST ALL CASES BETTER THEN ANYTHING MADE TODAY. A LOT I THINK WAS A PRIDE, ( IN MAKING THE BEST QUALITY PRODUCT ,THAT COULD BE MANUFACTURED BY A FOUNDRY OR INDIVIDUAL ) THAT IS MISSING FOR ALONG TIME NOW. SOME THINGS ARE MADE FOR EASE OF USE AND NOT FOR LASTING,AS WE HAVE BECOME A DISPOSABLE SOCIETY. THAT IS WHY YOUR VIDEOS ARE SO GREAT .YOU HONESTLY CARE ABOUT THE CRAFT AND IT SHOWS. I REGRESS.. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS DON'T STOP CARING ABOUT YOUR CRAFT
I learned many decades ago that welding cast iron or cast steel is no picnic (it was cylinder heads I think at the time), so I am full of admiration at your skill and knowledge that an enormous amount of heat has to be put into the workpiece.
As a weldor of over 40 years plus who has done my fair share of cast iron/steel repair may I suggest switching to am Argon/Helium 50/50 mix. It creates a much better, meaning hotter burn time of the puddle. Many may not know how to tell the difference between cast iron and steel. A small drill bit and spot drill will tell the difference . Cast iron creates crumbles. Cast steel creates curls. Good work on this.
@@EngelsCoachShop I grew up with a lot of the things you work on. My father farmed 55 acres with a team of Percheron's and Belgium's. D ring scraper to cut an irrigation ditch to get water to the crops. Sometime between 11 and 13 I was running by the shop and Dad called me over. He would do o rebuilds on TD-18's,24's and Cat idler rollers. I can't even say how many pounds of hard surface rod I've burned up in my life. I'm fascinated at the skills you possess. Every video makes me smile at the skill and care you put into your work.
Speaking on old welders, I ran into a weld rod for casting repair that blew my mind. Made by Chronatron. If you can find it, its remarkable how well the repairs came out. All repairs were done on 100+ yr old paper making equipment on 2-3" thick cast frames.
Dave, I, too, like AndyB, had always wondered about your great camera work. When I visited you back in June, I got first hand knowledge on your set ups and I think you learned from my light painting photo work also. I hope to see you this summer on a fishing trip.
Seems it never fails.... i borrow equipment and it breaks while in my possession. Lol.... well you did an excellent job repairing the equipment back too original condition. It's really something holding a piece of history in your hands. Thank you Mr Engels for the Friday evening video. Keep'm coming sir 👌👍👍😉
I've used similar rollers before for one inch flatbar, but it couldn't be more than about four inches wide and you had to go very gradually and have the ends already bumped up in either a large press brake or a hydraulic press and it had to be soft hot rolled steel and the part that broke on you had a locking bar that took the strain off the upper part of the 'U', but all in all, that design of roller was an indispensable tool, nice job fixing it !!
With what little you did to repair it, that roller probably works better than it did far too many years to count. This was a good change of pace video. Instead of repairing wagons, you're repairing the machinery that is used to make wagons.
This content helps to explain in greater depth the workings of the essential tools of the trade and illuminates the complex heavy metal technologies that were necessary for the fabrication of every element of those early wood and steel vehicles. I very much enjoy it when you share these details of your craft and trade. It gives me a more complete picture of how such tools are made and used. Another fine video production!
Mr. Engels, thank you for the detail shots in this video! I've been watching your tire/hub-band rolling videos for WEEKS trying to work out the details of the Eureka's removable top roller and side-plates. This video just answered all of my questions! I'm planning to build a heavy roller of my own for a future parade wagon/truck (power-wagon?) project. This helps immensely!
Absolutely !! Dave has more than earned that with his contributions - especially with those Borax wagons !! I continue to lift you up Dave as a Master Craftsman !!
I love these kinds of historical connections.... Well Done, Dave. Another thing I enjoy is to cut the video down to half speed and then I can watch you in real time..... the fun lasts longer ... lol.... Russ
With as much mass as that casting has a 5/8 " hardened dowel pin installed down through both pieces is the best for adding extra strength . Then welding all around as one normally would ,when finished there is no sign of the pin this technique will add a lot of extra strength to any repair were there is room for a hardened pin ( use appropriate size pin ) several can be used on longer Broken pieces . Much stronger than welding alone . I learned this from a old German master machine tool rebuilder.
well dad blame engels,another great job.i was raised in the foot hills of the serria nevada mountains in placerville california.even back in the 40's we were still using horse drawn wagons and such.my dad used to make repairs on them,me to.
Nice rebuild there David. I also enjoy your videos and see how things were made back in the 1800's. Can't wait for your next video. Still trying to catch up on all your videos. Thanks again David.
I think he is a national treasure. I hope I a wrong but I do not think there are many craftsmen left of his tremendous skill level! To anybody out there who is a blacksmith, cabinet maker, carpenter, welder, etc etc … I think we all get it!!
That is really neat to have discovered that connection to the past. To actually lay hands on it would have been great. Now Engels is part of the time continuum.
Nice job on the museum restoration. Have you heard about the cleaners that broke off the beard from king Tut’s golden mask? They stuck it back on with about 1/2 “ of five minute epoxy. It’s hysterically how bad they screwed up . Your repair is a master work. Thanks again for sharing your methods.
Great ! I had emailed you about 2 months ago asking about your roller and where I could get one. I appreciate all your input and did find one at an auction, paid 1600$ for it but I’m glad to have it. Now I gotta figure out how to use it. Lol thanks again, you are a master craftsman, hope I can keep up with you...
Enjoyed the video Mr Engel. You would never know that side was ever broken. You eyes will focus on the rough repair on the other side. Very nice repair job. Thanks again for taking the time to produce the video. Y'all take care and God bless.
Thanks for sharing that. You know, the borrowed roller will go back in better condition than it arrived as if the top ear hadn't broke, you'd probably not have done a clean-n-grease maintenance on it.
Dad's 95 and not from that part of the world. I'm going to have to get him to watch your videos. He's likely to tell me exactly how they were used in his day
@20:43 Min.: My Name is Alfred. But everybody calls me just „Alf“. So I finde it very interesting „having“ a Blacksmith Shop in CA. To bad that it is too far away from my home in Germany.
Hello Sir It always good to see how you save this old roller Welding Cast iron is very difficult You are a allround Talent but this is what Stellmachers 😉 are. When i see what my grandfather build and konstuktet to do his work in his shop. He was a alround Talent too 😏 Greetings to you and your Family I wish you a good Advent Weekend Good bless you Yours Frank
Oh Dave...my stomach sank when you broke that Museum Piece! An old Cowboy once said 'if it wernt fer Bad Luck...I wouldn't have any Luck at all'. Glad to see you got it all fixed up good as new again. Wonder who did the Previous Repairs, cuz that was some Awesome Welding!
I real interesting video to see the old roller I it’s original condition as well as yours in comparison. There nothing worth treasuring like having to maintain the past history of machines that help build the American west! Thanks for sharing.
A very impressive and inspiring work as always! May I suggest to always keep the pieces in friction very well lubricated? The idea is that you will reduce the efforts on the structure of the tool to the strict minimum.
Moin Wish you all a Beautiful Peaceful 2nd Advent Weekend and Health Moin Wünsche euch allen einen Schönes Friedliches 2ten Adventwochenende und Gesundheit
Never welded cast iron but one time in Houston in an ink powder making shop. Heated before using cast rod but pipe kept cracking. I kept trying and finally held, but for how long who knows? Had to get rid of all my clothes that day. Ink powder in every nook and cranny!
Very nice light restoration. I appreciate that you differentiated between cast “steel” and cast “iron”. I welded up the table on my old Japanese high quality drill press (it had a huge smile of shame) with my MIG welder. Everyone told me that it was not possible, but it worked great because it was cast steel. Cheers from Tokyo!
Another amazing video I wish I could come out west for a visit not to bother you just to say I was there and saw an amazing craftsmen.!!!! Bless you and your family!
Thank you sir. That was very interesting to watch. I always wondered why they just didn't run a rail line out to the BoraX mines to bring in the mined Ore.
There ya go, good as ... uh, old :) Looked to me like it had a micro-fracture already in progress, and rolling one last tire was enough to make it go. The ol' gal has clearly has a lot of use.
I'd swear that grain structure looks like cast iron, but your "spark test" says it's steel. Must just be that it had a rather "rough" heat treat (they didn't let it sit in the mold to cool off).
Regards from Bavarian, good ole "G". Do you have roots in my homecountry? Very good work Organisation! IT's a Honor to watch your work and skills. Stay marvelous 🖖 Kind Regards from Markus P.s. Sorry for my bad writing or Spelling and any mistakes in my comment 😉
Since you said before that you're mainly a one man operation I'm just curious how much time of your day is taken up by moving the camera around the shop to get all of those awesome simulated multi camera shots, not to mention editing? I'm assuming you're only using one camera since I never see other cameras and tripods in your shots and close ups. Does it interrupt your workflow much? In your last video I saw where you were talking into the camera then turned to your left and edited it like there was a second camera! Very professional looking. Nice work. You really do produce some of the best audio and video quality and editing on youtube, especially since you're in a working shop and not a studio. I'd love to see you get someone to shoot a video of you doing all of the behind the scenes stuff.
How much of his time is taken up by government paperwork. I think this guy is a national treasure. I hope I a wrongm but I do not think there are many craftsmen left of his tremendous skill level!
@@EngelsCoachShop Dave, it is a real gift that your commitment to the trade and to us as your "students" includes your very evident attention and effort to create and edit these videos. Thank you!
@@EngelsCoachShop I certainly appreciate the thought, time and effort you put into setting up your camera shots and editing the results. I imagine most other viewers notice and admire it too.
Like the ancient art of Kintsugi. A method that celebrates an artifact’s history by emphasizing its fractures and breaks instead of hiding or disguising them. Thus making them more valuable. Except for repairing the break with gold of course..lol
Have you heard of any plains for them ( the town folk ) to put a statue up of you in the town square yet Mr. Dave. I would like to come for that celebration.
if your rollers ever need to be build up.. either on the rolling surface or on the shaft surface.. you might search out an engine rebuilding shop or a crankshaft specialist that still has their crankshaft welding machine.. its usually a storm vulcan submerged arc version that has specialized sand pouring out to shield the arc.. they should be able to handle any weld up and grind back to size you need. if one of your shaft locks is broken.. how about using your wood working skills to create one slightly larger to take up for shrinkage and grinding to size and have one cast up at some foundry when they do a steel pour instead of a cast iron pour.. brilliant idea about placing the side in the forge to heat it up to duplicate the rust patina.. i would think that heating and slow cooling made that even stronger.. thanks for sharing the behind the scenes.. with water jet and laser cutting abilities.. those gears could even be easy to recreate..
Have you ever used CO2 for your weld shield ? I worked as "A" craftsman in Big Spring TX, Cosden Refinery from early 60's to 1976. They updated with a couple wire machines in about 1970, and CO2 is what we used. I'm still tinkering with welding (at age 79) and still using CO2. I've heard of using an Argon-CO2 mix, but never gave it a try. I use Argon with Helliarc for welding aluminum. Is there any benefit for wire welding using Argon mix ? CO2 is a lot less expensive. I really am enjoying your videos. You are truly a craftsman and an artist. Rod Hallmark
Mr Dave again I thank you for the time you give to get the greatest videos on UA-cam. Question sir, If you put a big rose bud or whatever is the best to heat the metal as you try to roll it into a new tire, would it help to take some of the pressure off of the rollers, and the machine? I'm thinking it would be a lot easier to roll. Thanks again for the time and if you don't get another video before........MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours.
Yes I agree to that. I was referring too the use of the roller that broke, if you tried to use the roller again would it help to add heat. Yes you would need another person for the torch. You need extra help to handle that big of a piece of metal. I'm glad you didn't put it on your rollers.
Maybe a sample of the steel/iron they used in the day vs. the material we have today would yield more strength ? That is a huge stress bending 8-9" of 1" plate.
i think the 7018 would have been stronger especially with a 5P root pass the MiG won't get the penetration a stick welder will get. i used to watch and old welder weld up cracked cyl. heads on on old oilfield pumping unit engines like Waukesha engines etc. he would get his wood burning stove cranked up and set the head on there for hours and slowly pre-heat and then weld the head up and put the head back on the stove again and stoke it up and let it set for a post bake and normalize. the guy like yourself was a real craftsman.
Even though it's "only a museum piece", Dave, you won't return it until it's better than when you borrowed it. Every person wishes they had a neighbor like you.
Well, I nearly fell off my chair when I saw the roller. When I was going through my apprenticeship (electrical) back in the 70s, there was one of these fellows in our main workshop, at the time very much still in use for bending steel for transformer and DC motor mounts or parts. If our elderly millwright had to use it, it was up to us apprentices to provide the power for him. It was a great part of our day to get a call from old Ron to come and help as he had a very dry sense of humour and ensured the we enjoyed our time with him if only for an hour or 2. He did go through its history, which I have forgotten over the years, never thought I'd ever see one again, but how wrong can one be.
And now I'm feeling oh so old, lol.
This isn't the first time you've shown tools & plant I worked on and with during the 70s, and for that I'll be eternally thankful. The memories and tears of joy are gold.
As always, THANK YOU for posting.
@Pilot McBride -- What an interesting comment. Thanks for sharing. I remember working with some weird looking tools back in the 70s. Never saw one of these, though.
@@ron.v thank you for your reply my friend. Back then we were working on gear from the 1920s onward. Old rotary converters, mercury arc rectifiers, oils circuit breakers, etc. If component that broke or wore out had to be made by hand, all motors, including office desk fan motors were rewound. Even the RC pony motors on some of the huge units had pony motors just to get them to roll over prior to energising, 😆. Nothing was scrapped, nothing was thrown away. All the brass fitting were saved for later reuse, a fantastic place to work. And we got paid the princely sum of $41 per fortnight and paid $4 tax. Plus we had to buy our own tools! 1st year top shelf tools cost $68 for the kit and 2nd year $120 per kit. A lot of money back then for a lad. 2nd year wages we $52 per fortnight. Lots of memories, lots of experiences.
Cheers my friend, look after yourself.
@@PilotMcbride Amadou Hampâté Bâ once said, "When an old man dies, a library burns." I actually never heard of the guy but I love the quote. Thanks for sharing a small portion of your library. My dad (b.1919) was a millright at U.S. Steel he worked on nearly everything there. My brother worked in the 'electric' shop there rewiring motors, etc. I loved talking to them about how things worked. Dad grew up during the Great Depression and served in WWII when things were rationed. He taught us to "Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without." I love your comments and work ethic. Makes me wonder how many young people today would be willing to work for so little. My first paychecks were about the same as yours but that was when we could buy a car for about the price of a monthly payment today. Best wishes to you, my friend.
@@ron.v my granddad and his father shovelled sh*t, I kid you not. They had a lease at the Sydney sewage works at the turn. After their land would be drained they grew veges which they sold in their shop up on the main rd, 😄.
All the old tradies I worked with had stories to tell, both about and around the job, how to keep things in tip top conditions, which bushings are the real wear points, what to look for etc. But we also had the hazing war against the younger tradies, 😂. And we as a group did pretty well against them, but in the end, the tradies won, 😂😂.
The absolute worst of the job, unknown by us at the time, was the asbestos. It was everywhere. Asbestos matting in the rotary converters, switchgear, roofing, absolutely everywhere. All my old workmates except my brother and a short termer have passed.
1955 was a good year, 😂😂😂.
@@PilotMcbride A good friend retired as a master carpenter. He told me he had asbestos up to his elbows in the days when it was in common use. It never seemed to bother him and he died at a ripe old age. On the other hand, my brother had breathing problems as a result of asbestos. He passed in 2017. Some people seem to have suffered from it more than others.
Nice to see a good repair , greased up and ready to roll . I like the way you temper your work in the fire overnight . Grand video 👍🇬🇧
That is called 'Stress Relieving'
God I love seeing older equipment like that, the amount of engineering that went into something that had a simple task, but with multiple used, is commendable. AND once again from watching your videos and also reading some of the comments I learned something again. Gabe. below gave an easy assesment to evaluate Steel vs Iron, by drilling and observing the drill outs. "Crumble it's iron, curls its steel" I don't know why but I've always felt that each time I drilled and seen that the curls meant steel to me. and Gabe just verified that for me!. strange how sometimes ones gut instincts can be true. nice feeling and thank Dave, and Gabe.
One of a few UA-cam channels where I give the video a thumbs up to before I watch it. Thank you, Mr. Engel for your work and effort.
Lol, same here...
Yes, here also👍
Same.
Yep, same here. Quality on every level every time.
Same here, Hahaha, well said.
I remember the break, thought that was the end of the story. Happy to see this.
هذه الة تعويج الحديد اصليه وذو قوه ومتانه متقنه تستحق اصلاحها اما الالات الحديثه في الوقت الحالي التي نجدها في الاسواق لاتستطيع الاعتماد عليها على كل حال لقد ابدعت في عملك باستعادت هذه الماكنه الى العمل من جديد شكرا لك اخي الكريم على هذا الفديو الجميل الذي من خلاله نستفاد ونستمتع ونرجو المزيد: شكرا
I found it quite amusing that you didn’t want to break yours....but didn’t mind risk breaking theirs...but a good repair job as I doubt anyone will use their roller ever again...
Hello David nice vlog and it is as you say the old machines that was used to make the wagons etc is part of the history and very nice to see them being used even if they need a repair now and again 😀👍👍 I see from the snow that winter ❄️ has arrived 🥶🥶🥶
I liked how each nut and washer, when removed, was placed in an orderly row to be returned to it's exact place. That's the way I was taught to take apart things. Too often today in restoration videos every nut, bolt and washer is heaved into a pile where it's a guessing game later of their original position.
in the 50;s as a twelve or fourteen year old i worked a summer for a small musieum just west of the town of selma california. i would ride mt bike out to there and my main job was taking care of the fourty mule train. the whole train was laid out in the sun and the leather harnesses were dry and checked so i spend weekends oiling all the leather harnesses for the whole 40 mules and cleaning all the metal on the train . i have wondered over the years if the train was still there or what happened to it. there wasnt much i could do to the wood parts of the train but marvelled at the wheels and dad would explain how they were made. dad loved wagons, wanted one all his life. im jim mullins and this comment may show as lou anna my wife
Wow! The first roller you showed, with the three-place adjustment notches is exactly what we had at the wagon shop at Dollywood. Our roller was powered off our line shaft, so had a flat-belt pulley in place of the crank handle, but was otherwise the same! Wonderful memories!!
The wagon shop was one of the main reasons I liked going to Dollywood. After they shut it down I lost interest. They were the best looking wagons this side of the Mississippi and equal to Engels Coach in quality.
@@fretfancollingsd2 Yes, it is sad it is gone. I built the last wagon out of there, a two-seat Buckboard with a green-stained body and natural running gear. IMHO it was the prettiest wagon that ever left the shop. Time do change. :'(
@@fretfancollingsd2 Wow! Thank you! I feel a strong "kinship" with Mr. Engels, and all wain_ and wheelwrights!!
I enjoy seeing an old machine restored to functionality again. Thank you sir 👌
Amazing repair/conservation of the tire roller. Looks like nothing has happened to it. Thanks very much for sharing.
I LOVE that this restoration was NOT sponsored by Rustoleum - Cheers EngelsCoachShop, old school methods work just fine!
Another enjoyable video, love the sound of old machinery, great repair to it with the welding and subsequent heating/cooling!
YEP ,THE OLDER ORE ,SMELTING , FORGING AND GENERAL WORKMANSHIP ,WERE AND IN ALMOST ALL CASES BETTER THEN ANYTHING MADE TODAY.
A LOT I THINK WAS A PRIDE, ( IN MAKING THE BEST QUALITY PRODUCT ,THAT COULD BE MANUFACTURED BY A FOUNDRY OR INDIVIDUAL ) THAT IS MISSING FOR ALONG TIME NOW.
SOME THINGS ARE MADE FOR EASE OF USE AND NOT FOR LASTING,AS WE HAVE BECOME A DISPOSABLE SOCIETY.
THAT IS WHY YOUR VIDEOS ARE SO GREAT .YOU HONESTLY CARE ABOUT THE CRAFT AND IT SHOWS.
I REGRESS..
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS
DON'T STOP CARING ABOUT YOUR CRAFT
I learned many decades ago that welding cast iron or cast steel is no picnic (it was cylinder heads I think at the time), so I am full of admiration at your skill and knowledge that an enormous amount of heat has to be put into the workpiece.
As a weldor of over 40 years plus who has done my fair share of cast iron/steel repair may I suggest switching to am Argon/Helium 50/50 mix. It creates a much better, meaning hotter burn time of the puddle. Many may not know how to tell the difference between cast iron and steel. A small drill bit and spot drill will tell the difference . Cast iron creates crumbles. Cast steel creates curls. Good work on this.
@@EngelsCoachShop I grew up with a lot of the things you work on. My father farmed 55 acres with a team of Percheron's and Belgium's. D ring scraper to cut an irrigation ditch to get water to the crops. Sometime between 11 and 13 I was running by the shop and Dad called me over. He would do o rebuilds on TD-18's,24's and Cat idler rollers. I can't even say how many pounds of hard surface rod I've burned up in my life. I'm fascinated at the skills you possess. Every video makes me smile at the skill and care you put into your work.
Speaking on old welders, I ran into a weld rod for casting repair that blew my mind. Made by Chronatron. If you can find it, its remarkable how well the repairs came out. All repairs were done on 100+ yr old paper making equipment on 2-3" thick cast frames.
Dave, I, too, like AndyB, had always wondered about your great camera work. When I visited you back in June, I got first hand knowledge on your set ups and I think you learned from my light painting photo work also. I hope to see you this summer on a fishing trip.
Seems it never fails.... i borrow equipment and it breaks while in my possession. Lol.... well you did an excellent job repairing the equipment back too original condition. It's really something holding a piece of history in your hands. Thank you Mr Engels for the Friday evening video. Keep'm coming sir 👌👍👍😉
I've used similar rollers before for one inch flatbar, but it couldn't be more than about four inches wide and you had to go very gradually and have the ends already bumped up in either a large press brake or a hydraulic press and it had to be soft hot rolled steel and the part that broke on you had a locking bar that took the strain off the upper part of the 'U', but all in all, that design of roller was an indispensable tool, nice job fixing it !!
With what little you did to repair it, that roller probably works better than it did far too many years to count. This was a good change of pace video. Instead of repairing wagons, you're repairing the machinery that is used to make wagons.
This content helps to explain in greater depth the workings of the essential tools of the trade and illuminates
the complex heavy metal technologies that were necessary for the fabrication of every element of those early wood and steel vehicles. I very much enjoy it when you share these details of your craft and trade. It gives me a more complete picture of how such tools are made and used. Another fine video production!
Mr. Engels, thank you for the detail shots in this video! I've been watching your tire/hub-band rolling videos for WEEKS trying to work out the details of the Eureka's removable top roller and side-plates. This video just answered all of my questions! I'm planning to build a heavy roller of my own for a future parade wagon/truck (power-wagon?) project. This helps immensely!
Seems to me you're qualified to add yourself to the history of this roller since you have continued the craft of building Borax wagons. Nice job.
Yes, few of us will ever have the chance insert ourselves into history like this. But I know few, if any, who deserved it as much as Mr. Engel.
Absolutely !! Dave has more than earned that with his contributions - especially with those Borax wagons !! I continue to lift you up Dave as a Master Craftsman !!
I love these kinds of historical connections.... Well Done, Dave. Another thing I enjoy is to cut the video down to half speed and then I can watch you in real time..... the fun lasts longer ... lol....
Russ
With as much mass as that casting has a 5/8 " hardened dowel pin installed down through both pieces is the best for adding extra strength .
Then welding all around as one normally would ,when finished there is no sign of the pin this technique will add a lot of extra strength to any repair were there is room for a hardened pin ( use appropriate size pin ) several can be used on longer Broken pieces . Much stronger than welding alone . I learned this from a old German master machine tool rebuilder.
Germany is currently in the process of renaming that qualification "Bachelor, professional" it'll be odd to read that 😅
well dad blame engels,another great job.i was raised in the foot hills of the serria nevada mountains in placerville california.even back in the 40's we were still using horse drawn wagons and such.my dad used to make repairs on them,me to.
Nice rebuild there David. I also enjoy your videos and see how things were made back in the 1800's. Can't wait for your next video. Still trying to catch up on all your videos. Thanks again David.
Well, I guess we know how they probably broke it before. Very nice repair job. I have had good results with the wire feed on cast steel, too.
Great job Dave, back in working order and safely in the museum! Strong enough! Thanks for sharing with us.
It's like a great history lesson. And what a teacher.
Thanks for taking the time to show us Dave.
you sir; are an authentic coach maker, any repair you make only add to the providence of the machine.
Now that's how you restore an amazing old tool, function over form.
I think he is a national treasure. I hope I a wrong but I do not think there are many craftsmen left of his tremendous skill level! To anybody out there who is a blacksmith, cabinet maker, carpenter, welder, etc etc … I think we all get it!!
That is really neat to have discovered that connection to the past. To actually lay hands on it would have been great. Now Engels is part of the time continuum.
Nice job on the museum restoration. Have you heard about the cleaners that broke off the beard from king Tut’s golden mask? They stuck it back on with about 1/2 “ of five minute epoxy. It’s hysterically how bad they screwed up . Your repair is a master work. Thanks again for sharing your methods.
i gotta look this up
You are a excellent wheel wright, and you are a very good machinist, love your videos.
Great ! I had emailed you about 2 months ago asking about your roller and where I could get one. I appreciate all your input and did find one at an auction, paid 1600$ for it but I’m glad to have it. Now I gotta figure out how to use it. Lol thanks again, you are a master craftsman, hope I can keep up with you...
You did good. Old are does break excellent repair.
I appreciate the history you share about the tools used.
I think I see half of that roller is quite original, square nuts. Great job.
Enjoyed the video Mr Engel. You would never know that side was ever broken. You eyes will focus on the rough repair on the other side. Very nice repair job. Thanks again for taking the time to produce the video. Y'all take care and God bless.
Definitely a significant part of history, as are you and your endeavors.
Repair is good for another 50 or so yrs , thanks for sharing and giving a insight of some the tools needed and used to make some of the wheels
Wow never cease to amaze me I'm sending me videos around older fellows I know I'm older by the way. Thanks for the information and the inspiration
Thanks for sharing that. You know, the borrowed roller will go back in better condition than it arrived as if the top ear hadn't broke, you'd probably not have done a clean-n-grease maintenance on it.
Dad's 95 and not from that part of the world. I'm going to have to get him to watch your videos. He's likely to tell me exactly how they were used in his day
@20:43 Min.: My Name is Alfred. But everybody calls me just „Alf“. So I finde it very interesting „having“ a Blacksmith Shop in CA. To bad that it is too far away from my home in Germany.
Dave, thank you for this very interesting video! It was fascinating to "see" the history of use & repair on this Eureka.
Fantastic video, Keith Rucker would be proud.
Hello Sir
It always good to see how you save this old roller
Welding Cast iron is very difficult
You are a allround Talent but this is what Stellmachers 😉 are.
When i see what my grandfather build and konstuktet to do his work in his shop.
He was a alround Talent too 😏
Greetings to you and your Family
I wish you a good Advent Weekend
Good bless you
Yours Frank
Oh Dave...my stomach sank when you broke that Museum Piece! An old Cowboy once said 'if it wernt fer Bad Luck...I wouldn't have any Luck at all'. Glad to see you got it all fixed up good as new again. Wonder who did the Previous Repairs, cuz that was some Awesome Welding!
EngelsCoachShop ... Yeah, I saw that & Whoa! Wonder who Welded that...Beautiful Welding to be sure!
I real interesting video to see the old roller I it’s original condition as well as yours in comparison. There nothing worth treasuring like having to maintain the past history of machines that help build the American west! Thanks for sharing.
Cool that its mounted on the dovetailed end of a log from a log cabin.
A very impressive and inspiring work as always! May I suggest to always keep the pieces in friction very well lubricated? The idea is that you will reduce the efforts on the structure of the tool to the strict minimum.
Moin Wish you all a
Beautiful Peaceful
2nd Advent Weekend and Health
Moin Wünsche euch allen einen
Schönes Friedliches 2ten Adventwochenende und Gesundheit
Never welded cast iron but one time in Houston in an ink powder making shop. Heated before using cast rod but pipe kept cracking. I kept trying and finally held, but for how long who knows? Had to get rid of all my clothes that day. Ink powder in every nook and cranny!
Very nice light restoration.
I appreciate that you differentiated between cast “steel” and cast “iron”.
I welded up the table on my old Japanese high quality drill press (it had a huge smile of shame) with my MIG welder.
Everyone told me that it was not possible, but it worked great because it was cast steel.
Cheers from Tokyo!
Another amazing video I wish I could come out west for a visit not to bother you just to say I was there and saw an amazing craftsmen.!!!! Bless you and your family!
Excellent work 👌 done 👍.
Thanks again Mr. Engels as allway very intresting and and Happy 2 Advent
Very cool tools. Nice fix, surprised to see the mig but I learned something! Thanks for sharing Dave
Another great video,,They may be old, but new to me if i haven't seen it
Great repair work friend
Beautifully executed repair and got your name in the history books too
Thank you sir. That was very interesting to watch.
I always wondered why they just didn't run a rail line out to the BoraX mines
to bring in the mined Ore.
It's a shame it broke. But stuff happens. Nice repair.
Man, can you imagine all the rollers in the country back in the day and how many were thrown away. I'll bet Eureka did well for a while.
WOW! Thanks, Mr. Engle.
Great stuff mate 👍 pretty fascinating gear buddy 👍
I really enjoy watching your videos.
Приятно посмотреть за настоящим мастером своего дела. Мастерская просто как в сказке.
I sure wish these were more common, I would love to find one for use in the machine shop/job shop. Never seen one for sale in 20 years of buying tools
There ya go, good as ... uh, old :)
Looked to me like it had a micro-fracture already in progress, and rolling one last tire was enough to make it go. The ol' gal has clearly has a lot of use.
LOVE OLD MACHINES
Nice, clean repair.
EXCELLENT JOB AND VERY RELAXING TO WATCH YOU WORK , GIVES ME INSPIRATION AND IDEAS FOR MY OWN WORK SHOP ALL THE BEST FROM AL THANKS.
I'd swear that grain structure looks like cast iron, but your "spark test" says it's steel. Must just be that it had a rather "rough" heat treat (they didn't let it sit in the mold to cool off).
Should do the job. Thanks for sharing. GW
Great piece of History!
Alf's has a lot of really cool old stuff, if only those walls could talk!
Thanks so much,great video,happy holidays, MERRY CHRISTMAS, I WISH A LOT MORE GOOD THINGS TO COME
As always good job
It’s great there is still some of the history left a large part of the objects are probably gone it’s good some are still around
Excellent!!! Very Smart !!!
Regards from Bavarian, good ole "G". Do you have roots in my homecountry?
Very good work Organisation! IT's a Honor to watch your work and skills. Stay marvelous 🖖
Kind Regards from Markus
P.s. Sorry for my bad writing or Spelling and any mistakes in my comment 😉
Or Dutch
Since you said before that you're mainly a one man operation I'm just curious how much time of your day is taken up by moving the camera around the shop to get all of those awesome simulated multi camera shots, not to mention editing? I'm assuming you're only using one camera since I never see other cameras and tripods in your shots and close ups. Does it interrupt your workflow much? In your last video I saw where you were talking into the camera then turned to your left and edited it like there was a second camera! Very professional looking. Nice work. You really do produce some of the best audio and video quality and editing on youtube, especially since you're in a working shop and not a studio. I'd love to see you get someone to shoot a video of you doing all of the behind the scenes stuff.
How much of his time is taken up by government paperwork. I think this guy is a national treasure. I hope I a wrongm but I do not think there are many craftsmen left of his tremendous skill level!
@@EngelsCoachShop Dave, it is a real gift that your commitment to the trade and to us as your "students" includes your very evident attention and effort to create and edit these videos. Thank you!
@@EngelsCoachShop I certainly appreciate the thought, time and effort you put into setting up your camera shots and editing the results. I imagine most other viewers notice and admire it too.
Like the ancient art of Kintsugi. A method that celebrates an artifact’s history by emphasizing its fractures and breaks instead of hiding or disguising them. Thus making them more valuable. Except for repairing the break with gold of course..lol
Have you heard of any plains for them ( the town folk ) to put a statue up of you in the town square yet Mr. Dave. I would like to come for that celebration.
Love this channel.
Really cool old
if your rollers ever need to be build up.. either on the rolling surface or on the shaft surface.. you might search out an engine rebuilding shop or a crankshaft specialist that still has their crankshaft welding machine.. its usually a storm vulcan submerged arc version that has specialized sand pouring out to shield the arc.. they should be able to handle any weld up and grind back to size you need. if one of your shaft locks is broken.. how about using your wood working skills to create one slightly larger to take up for shrinkage and grinding to size and have one cast up at some foundry when they do a steel pour instead of a cast iron pour..
brilliant idea about placing the side in the forge to heat it up to duplicate the rust patina.. i would think that heating and slow cooling made that even stronger.. thanks for sharing the behind the scenes.. with water jet and laser cutting abilities.. those gears could even be easy to recreate..
Nice old tools...
Have you ever used CO2 for your weld shield ? I worked as "A" craftsman in Big Spring TX, Cosden Refinery from early 60's to 1976. They updated with a couple wire machines in about 1970, and CO2 is what we used. I'm still tinkering with welding (at age 79) and still using CO2. I've heard of using an Argon-CO2 mix, but never gave it a try. I use Argon with Helliarc for welding aluminum.
Is there any benefit for wire welding using Argon mix ? CO2 is a lot less expensive.
I really am enjoying your videos. You are truly a craftsman and an artist.
Rod Hallmark
@@EngelsCoachShop Nice to hear from you, Dave. I am still using my Wyoming bender, and enjoy watching you use your bender.
Rod
Mr Dave again I thank you for the time you give to get the greatest videos on UA-cam. Question sir, If you put a big rose bud or whatever is the best to heat the metal as you try to roll it into a new tire, would it help to take some of the pressure off of the rollers, and the machine? I'm thinking it would be a lot easier to roll. Thanks again for the time and if you don't get another video before........MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours.
Yes I agree to that. I was referring too the use of the roller that broke, if you tried to use the roller again would it help to add heat. Yes you would need another person for the torch. You need extra help to handle that big of a piece of metal. I'm glad you didn't put it on your rollers.
Maybe a sample of the steel/iron they used in the day vs. the material we have today would yield more strength ? That is a huge stress bending 8-9" of 1" plate.
ty for shareing u a true craftsman
i think the 7018 would have been stronger especially with a 5P root pass the MiG won't get the penetration a stick welder will get. i used to watch and old welder weld up cracked cyl. heads on on old oilfield pumping unit engines like Waukesha engines etc. he would get his wood burning stove cranked up and set the head on there for hours and slowly pre-heat and then weld the head up and put the head back on the stove again and stoke it up and let it set for a post bake and normalize. the guy like yourself was a real craftsman.