Making a Sarven Buggy Wheel Run Straight | Engels Wheelwright Shop
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2019
- Part of building and restoring horse drawn vehicles as a wheelwright is making sure buggy and wagon wheels run straight. I am replacing a broken boxing, but need to machine another boxing to fit properly first. Then I will go through the steps of boring the buggy hub and pressing the boxing into place. My hub boring machine is from an old turret lathe that I have adapted to do this boring process. The machine work is done on my 1914 Hendey lathe.
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Like a lot of other people here, I did not think about all the engineering that went into hubs from that or any time era! always thought it was just a simple shaft loaded with lots of grease! who knew!. Thanks for another great lesson in life Dave, and for sharing!
My addiction involves target shooting, making ammunition and casting lead bullets. Having been a LEO for 23 years in NYC and Corrales NM I have a deep respect and love of firearms. I began reloading and casting bullets in 1995 and over the years I have accumulated a housefull of tools, dies, presses and all manner of related items. The value of all this stuff is immense as it covers 25 years of bit by bit accumulation of firearms related items not to mention the acquisition of 25 different firearms. I cannot help think about the immense variety of tools this Montana craftsman has found essential to the practice of a master wheelwright Most of his tools date back many years and are not available today at all. As such they are very valuable and I am sure that he cherishes them and preserves them. I find that admirable and I enjoy his videos immensely. They are calming to the soul and give me great satisfaction as I see someone embracing past craftsmanship and keeping history alive and relevant.
Damn , this video puts a whole new picture in my head of how hard life was back in the wagon days. Making wood and Iron work together to cross the country.
Dave, I know you get thousands of compliments on your workmanship, patience, dedication to details (even though most people wouldn't know the differences or if indeed there was a difference without you telling them) : all of which you truly deserve. It's also remarkable to see a guy with hands like yours that wield hammers, saws, and handle wood and run a forge, etc......then go into a different area and with those kind of fingers make threading a needle and putting a new bobbin in the sewing machine look easy. I've worked with tools and in a few trades most of the last 50 years. And the people I've run into with your ability and humility to accentuate that even...well, they are an uncommon find. Thank you so VERY much for 'being there/here and for sharing like you do.
Absolutely !! I continue to be amazed at your many skills, Dave !! Keep 'em coming, my friend !!
You may not be an Abram79 level machinist with gorgeous tools and huge machines, but you sure get the job done right!
I have been watching your videos for several years. It is always a pleasure to watch you work. I was watching you press this part into the wood and the thought occurred to me that if that jack you used was to malfunction, you would just fix it. I watched you fix your vice. Not only that, you have crafted so many of the tools you use. If a man had the knowledge and wanted to start a shop like yours and do the work you do, it would cost a fortune to buy the tools needed. And many of the tools you use are not available for purchase. It would take an apprentice years to acquire you knowledge and skill. It is not a given that a man with your knowledge would have the skill. Thank you for this treasure trove of knowledge in video.
Machinist? You are master of wood, steel, and fabric!
I never had that kind of knowledgeor inclined to do that type of work but I must say it is a pleasure to watch a true craftsman work.
Years ago my job was to build flight simulators. To build many components first you had to build the tool that allowed it to be built. When I retired, many of the tools were coveted by other mechanics, which I happily gave to them. Thanks for the video, as always it was very interesting.
Dave, purely as an on-looker, I am totally amazed at the intricacies of making these wheels !!
I often wonder what our pioneers did "back in the days" ? Surely, they did not have the tools that are used nowadays ? But, maybe they did ? Blessings to you on your God-given talents !!
The wheel won't fit in the press! No problem, make a press that fits the wheel, that and the shop made hub boring machine, clearly assembled from parts off I don't know how many other machines... Priceless.... Thanks once again to Mr Engels for sharing and making the perfect start to my weekend :)
Incredible craftmanship and the amount of tools you have there is mind boggling.
I AM JUST MESMERIZED, BY THE CRAFTSMANSHIP ,THAT EVERY PROCESS TAKES.
EVERY STEP IS A LOST ART ,AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE .THERE ARE SIMILARITIES ,TO METAL WORK,CARPENTRY,AND FINE FURNITURE MAKING IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU DO.AWESOME WORKMANSHIP!BRAVO !
WELL ENOUGH OF THE HOOPLA .
GOD BLESS YOU ,YOUR FAMILY AND HOME
It was great to meet you today Dave, you're a very gracious man to allow strangers to drop by. I admire character in people as well as craftsmanship, and you have both.
I really prefer your videos that don't have the music background, just you and your tools
What's a took?
I love to see all the specialized jigs and fixtures you have made for your trade. Keep the video’s coming. Thanks Dave.
Indeed - I watched so many metalworking lathe videos this week, it took me a second to *see* the 4-jaw chuck :)
Your videos are a fine example to everyone posting on UA-cam. We can see exactly what you are doing, there is no unnecessary waffling commentary and a complete absence of intrusive 'music'. Bravo, keep up the good work!
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Amazing craftsmanship. Incredible to have the tools and to know how to use them. How did they "true" the wheels in ancient times without this technology?
My father taught public high school in Chicago, 1930ish to 1954. The next nearest High School was for the trades, Technical H.S.. The machinery manufacturer's donated the machinery and the students became machinists in all sorts of specialties, Tool & Die Makers, etc. The good ones went from H.S. right to the manufacturers as Apprentists. Then we farmed the work out over-seas, and the old Tech schools disappeared. Then the machines were computer controlled - and came from over-seas. Then School Districts concentrated on college prep - Vocational Education was blue-collar, so the snobs dropped it from the schools. Now we have a shortage of trade workers, and Building Contractors can't find employees who even know beginning carpentry, electrical work, etc. If your community still has a Community College, sometimes they do the vocational training, welding to woodworking to electrical, but i haven't seen machinist. You can make a good living as a carpenter, electricion, plumber - but society often looks down on the trades - no college degree and they get their hands dirty. So people like Dave Engels are in very short supply. What astounds me, Dave, is the sheer range of your knowledge and skills, and how many tools you've built or adapted. Trueing up the roundness of the felloes on that big sander, wheel hub on that home-built stand. There's no chrome, no huge name plate, no computer - except your mind - and it works.
leif Jenkinson Don’t think I have ever read truer words! The amount of people who have no idea how to so much as change a flat on their car astounds me! It’s a basic life skill, I remember the first tire I ever changed! It was on our old blue 2 horse! My sister and I lost the tread on the way to a barrel race! No spare so we limped it to the show grounds! It was a 2 day show so we rented stalls and before the day was over I jacked the trailer up and took the tire off. Loaded it up and off we went! Got a replacement that night and in the morning once we arrived I bolted that sucker on! I was maybe 16 at the time but have always been handy! Be it with a hammer or a pair of nippers! Just don’t ask me to machine anything as I haven’t learned that skill yet! Oh and I can make clothing too! Another skill that is sadly becoming a thing of the past! Why fix something when it can easily be replaced! Well I say because it’s fun!
OSHA would have fits! No guard on moving parts, no hearing protection, ...they say we are in the information age, and I am glad I found this video, but no one seems able to fix things today, just throw it away and buy a new one. Thanks 👍👍
I was a student at Chicago Vocational School in the late 40s. Went on to work on steam ships on the great lakes, helped build steel mills, bridges and nuclear power plants. I am long time retired now and am building a small airplane in the shed out back. CVS was a navy school before the war and the navy donated it to the city. We still had a variety of navy fighters and bombers there to work on. And I particularly remember a Brewster Buffalo. Those planes would be worth millions now.
All the machines require programming today, and they work much faster. Soon that won't be anymore, you will just print your part....am waiting to see how that 3d printed steak tastes..and if it prints out already cooked, or you still have to cook it yourself.
@@nickv1008 3D printers will always be slow and expensive. Some shapes and materials you can’t 3D print. 3D printed steak … where are you going to get the protein from? And if you have protein, why put it in the shape of a steak?
Another great video, really like how you have the old tooling to mix with modern power tools, Still amazed how the old black smith shops were thought of mostly for shoeing horses, it was a real art back then
..i never knew how much really skilled work went into building and maintaining wagons..great vid..
There are a number of inventions that were brought to perfection. One is the mechanical typewriter, one the piano, and one the wooden wagon.
@@christiangeiselmann So that's why my toaster needs to connect to the internet.
I have a feeling old festus didn't do as good a job as Engels does, like some mechanics today, I'm sure there were those who cut corners.
As simple as a wooden wheel would seem, a hell of a lot of thought is put into its design. Great channel!!
I am a machinist by trade and you use more precision than would have been used on those wheels when they were made. Love watching a true craftsman like you. God bless
Thomas Desmond: I'm a machinist also and it's been a long time since I've seen inside and outside caliper used like that. Takes a very fine feel but perfectly adequate for this type of work. Anything closer requires micrometers.
Theres just something about watching a master of his craft work. Its not only satisfying but also comforting. Almost like having your grandfather teach you how to be a man..
Binge watched and forgot to do laundry yesterday. Tried to watch just one more before work, then decided it would be fine if I was just a little late. Finally, I just called in and quit my job so I can keep watching.
Nothing worse than out-of-round wheels when your horse is going 40 MPH!! Just kidding, but I AM enjoying the attention to detail!! Thanks, Mr. Dave!
Your videos are awesome. They're edited in a subtle but great way, they have a nice length, you don't comment too much, your voice is very calming, the music is good but not intrusive. Keep up the good work and thank you :)
You are and incredible craftsman Dave
You have made me realize that wagons and wheels are a lot more difficult than I ever imagined!
Video rated 10/10 for information and entertainment.
I can't believe all the different skills that you have attained . BEAUTIFUL WORK
I can't unsee you taking that big rasp to those bolts.
The most disappointing things about these videos is that I have to wait another week for another one. Great video, again, and thank you.
What I like is how you know in every corner what tool to use without hunting them. Great video Mr. Engels
@@EngelsCoachShop yes sir I understand
Got my Friday night fix of watching the master at work. Life is good
47 folks ahead of me and they have pretty much said it all. Thank you for sharing.
Wow! Truing the boxing to the tire rather than to the hub. That's so counter intuitive but makes so much sense once explained.
Otherwise you would have a wobbly ride. Like on a clowns bicycle.
When the center of the hub is not the center of the tire, doesn't that imply a balance problem? Or is that barely an issue at these speeds, as opposed to propeller speeds?
Sir, the range of skills you display continues to astound me. I would love to apply for an apprenticeship but I’m 66 years old so a little old for the grunt work plus I live in Arizona lol
Sat morning in Australia and a Dave Engels video with breakfast, great way to get the day started, just love how you have
made your own or adapted tools/machines to do your work, very inspirational, another great video.
I also watch every video from Australia (Sydney) I love watching this guy work, he actually relax me :)
Well I've seen a 5" 4-jaw chuck, but a 5' one is something new to me.
Yeah I like how he makes his own tooling. The sign of a true craftsman. When it's not available. Just make it. God bless
Yes, and it was kind of scary. I doubt something like that would even be allowed in a workshop that had employees. So many of the tools used on this channel are clever and innovative, but look they have been around for a hundred years! I do hope that wheel making is not lost to us in years to come because Health & Safety at Work make it impractical. We used to get a heads up when a safety inspection was coming round, and we'd rush and put all the guards on. Then right after they gave us a pass we'd whip the guards right off again. I don't know how you'd make a guard for that BIG lathe and still be able to use it.
I like the large hoop on the outside as a safety measure. You sure wouldn't want to get clipped by one of those arms. I have a personal preference for simple, yet effective guards.
Ingenuity at its best, Dave. I love how you have repurposed machinery to accomplish your specific needs.
I love how at 18:10 into the video the cutting tool auto adjust. You will have to do a video on how you made an auto adjusting cutting tool. Oh the marvels of editing. Keep up the good work. You make Fridays all the more fun.
What keeps amazing me is 1. How specialized the knowledge and tools are. 2. How long it must take to acquire both. 3. The level of craftsmanship that goes into wagons.
Fantastic! More bespoke machinery and apparatus.
Just because some equipment is old like these wheels doesn't mean there isn't engineering to them & more precise then most know. You have just proved that again. Thank you for another informative Friday night. Now I have to wait till next week. . . . again.🙂
Dave. I just wanted to share that my 82 year old father has become a big fan of your channel. He recently got his first smart phone, and has been watching your videos, and discussing them with me. Hope you are all well. God bless you always, and keep up the good work!
I also watch every video from Australia (Sydney) I love watching this guy work, he actually relax me :)
I have followed you since before the Borax wagons and I find what you do very facenating. And I have learned a great deal. I even find myself, when browsing flea markets, pointing out wagon parts to my family. Not that it means anything but at least I understand more of the world around me in some small part. Thank you again for your work in preserving a part of our heritage.
Such a fine craftsman. thanks for allowing us to watch.
Another great video .
Thinks for posting it.
Ingenious tool adaptations. Marvelous!
Wow!......I never in my wildest dreams thought that wagon wheels are so complicated engineered items.
Your videos get better and better
A lifetime of "figuring it out and making it work" equals advanced engineering and computer modeling- All done with a couple of feeler gauges and calipers. Wow- again. Thanks very much!
Fantastic to fascinating, from the simple to the complex tools and machinery , always amazing, Thanks Dave
Well you say youre not much of a machinist but I am with many years in production shops.
Looks to me like you have the skills and equipment to efficiently do the work you need to do. It's been a very long time since I've seen transfer readings between inside and outside calipers and comparative readings between bores and OD's as everyday technique. Time was plan dimensions were made in inches and fractions with notes for fits with mating parts. Production interchangeable precision parts were impractical prior to the late 19th Century except in limited niches. The tools and instruments of the time were expensive, scarce, and not well understoid as manufacturing cost cutting technology. Therefore the precision parts of most assemblies were individually fitted. Wagon wheels such as the ones you're finishing now were prime examples.
If my opinion means anything, I'd say you are doing fine just as you are.
Excellent workmanship
Good afternoon from SE Louisiana 21 Feb 21.
It's really interesting to see the specialized tools you've made to do your work with.
I always love your gigs.
Great video, thanks for sharing. Always looking forward to seeing your updates first thing Saturday morning. 👍
Thanks to you Mr Dave for sharing your work a greeting from Catania
Another information filled, great video.Thanks Mr. Engels.
Another fabulous video! Thank you for sharing.
Love your attention to detail, all nuts in the same orientation . Your a master !!
It doesn't go on noticed
omg!!!!!!!!.......mad skills demonstrated here. Thanks for sharing and keep em coming.
Always enjoy watching your videos. What you do is something I wanted to learn when I was younger. Thanks for posting sir.
Excellent workmanship! Im impressed by all those antique machines!
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May your travels always be well burgered.
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I really enjoy seeing all the things you have built to accomplish different tasks.
You are very creative!!
thanks again for a great show ! Love the procedures ,and especially the different machines, your shop is as crowed as mine see you Friday thanks again Dale
I've been watching for a year, and I keep thinking I've seen all the amazing hand-made custom machines in this shop...
And then this LATHE! ye gods man...
thank for your time again. never seems to be the same job. allways something new.
Made it a "shy" one degree. Love it.Should have used that one when I was machining!Great work and great videos.
Thank you
Excellent work done 👍
Love that tool adaptation.
Great video, your skills are great entertainment. Thanks for sharing with us
Hi Dave, thanks and hope u are doing well, every budy gonna be watching and felling that u are add more missing older technology. and helps the pepole to live with the time that the hands and brains works together, and more skills far from computers, and robots mass production in life we don't knew were it is going to. and it must be more lower speed.
Always interesting and informative. Thanks
Love that tire/hub lathe. Passes all of my safety standards. And the 20 ton tire press is another !! Thanks for sharing how simple it can be when the stuff between two ears is working on par. Looking like a new tape measure got into the shop.
I drive my longtime neighbor/friend machinist nuts with the relative imprecision of carpentry so it’s fun to see the marriage of the two points of view in your work. I wonder how the boxings were pressed before hydraulics? A fly press perhaps?
I dismantled hubs from an axle found in the woods recently that were chuck full of nails, outboard, some cut, some modern, that had been driven in to tighten up the boxing at the nut, raising so many questions about how this 1 1/2” x 48” between shoulders square wrought front axle had been used, and what it had “seen.”
Fascinating to consider in this era of tapered roller bearings, the various solutions over the millennia for making wheels go around.
Thank you David for a fantastic and informative video it just amazing how after years of working/making wagons and wheels how you have been invented and modified machines to help you get the job done I for one would never get bored with your videos very informative keep them coming 😀😀👍👍🇬🇧
You could make a video out of your hub borer. It looks like a neat piece of ingenuity. Would be great to see your process and evolution that made you build it the way you did. Beautiful work as always. Thanks for sharing
I've been watching you for 3 years. This is the best one yet. You sir, are amazing! Thanks for sharing!
Now I'm just waiting to see the wheel balancing machine! Thin wire from roof and two spirit levels.
Great photography!
Fascinating, Dave, thanks for more information! I’m tempted to start making wheels in my garage based on your great advice...
Beautiful job.
Iv enjoyed so many hours of your daily work very entertaining Some might find it boring but I enjoy every minute of a true craftsman. GW
Love these videos! You are a true master! Watch your fingers, toes, eyes😉. Tricky work.
Once again Mr. Dave, you look KINDA look like you know what you are doing!!! Hart be still... Much Love...Rick
Enjoyed the video Mr.Engel. I already knew your work was complicated now I see it's very complicated. Thanks for taking the time to produce the videos. You are very talented. Y'all take care and God bless.
Throughout my childhood and youth there was an old wheelwrights shop shut up and disused just down the road, I used to look through the cracks in the shutters for a glimpse of the giant bellows and racks of tools, now you have brought that workshop 'back to life' for me.
Sadly a greedy 'developer' despoiled the shop a few years ago!
Another great job, very good!
*Wow, there sure is a whole lot of complicated precision here that could only result from your deft ingenuity of "Make-Do" engineering skill(s) of proper and very broad Master Craftsmanship! Thank you for the privileged of seeing and learning, and all the work of getting it filmed well and edited superbly. | As my lady friend would say, "That's a Lot Of Work!"*
Great video as always.. A lot of hard work sir.
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Another great video Dave , thanks.
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What a lot of steps to get these things rebuilt. I try to image the work being done in the 1800's, it must have been much more labor intensive.