New 187lb. Wagon Hub From Scratch | Engels Wheelwright
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2019
- Extra large wagon wheels require extra large wagon hubs. I am building this large hub In preparation for building a 1000 lb wheel. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles requires wood turning and blacksmithing skills, both involved in building wagon hubs. This is the complete process, step by step.
Many of you are interested in the tire bolts and rivets I use in my videos. Since I use a large number of these, I do keep them in stock. An email to dave@engelscoachshop.com will get you a list of available sizes and pricing.
In response to a number of requests for the tools and supplies I use here in the shop, I have compiled a list as an Amazon Associate. I have used Makita tools for almost 40 years, but am not sponsored by, nor endorsed by Makita. Perhaps this list will be of service to you as viewers, as well as provide a means to help support this channel.
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I'm a carpenter and welder, and just happened to stumble on your channel and I'm amazed. I saw the other 1000 LBS wheels you made, and these smaller ones now and, wow. I really can appreciate your hard work. You can combine many crafts with ease very talented. I'm impressed.
Same here he makes it look so easy and we know it's far from that
Takes decades to become fully competent. Mr Engels is a National treasure.
Your videos are never too long for your fans. We know it must take an immense amount of time and energy to video and edit for us. I just think you are one of the most amazing all-around finished carpenters out there. I am so happy you are doing this for Historical purposes as well. Out of this world amazing work.
I binge watch Mr Engels for hours. I save 'em up to watch. Like Christmas all year.
I will never complain about how long your videos are, there is so much to enjoy in them.
Never get tired of watching your work. Blacksmithing, Wood Working, and Welding....What's not to like. Make em' as long as ya want; I'll watch em' till the end.
YUUUP - me, too !!
I'm pleased Mr Engels has made a video library for the future. Not a dying art yet, but very specialized nowadays. We used to have a man like this in every town in America. Now...,
You can make your videos as long as you like (the longer the better really) because I find then endlessly fascinating and will be watching all the through. Thank you Mr. Engels.
It’s like having a welcomed guest stay for a second cup of coffee.
That i agree with.
Thank you for keeping history. Alive well done sir 👍
@@EngelsCoachShop doesn't that make you feel a little bit nervous, having that much rotating mass at such a high speed? It does me!😱 But I am just a pen Turner. Happy turning!!
Tee in my case! It's great
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Boy do we ever mind that you make this vid so long Mr. Dave.. DO NOT ever let it happen again!!!!!
Without putting coffee and cookies out first.
You burnt out my Sarcasm Detector...
@@scruffy6151 And I was thinking coffee and donuts.
@@royreynolds108 to keep everybody happy we can serve both lol.
After a long week of dealing with people who should have ordered two weeks ago and now want it yesterday and demanding to be put in front of those who did, I am sitting with my feet up eating a nice Chinese meal with a beer and no telephone ringing watching a craftsman at work. If you make them I'll watch them . Thanks very much .
The longer the better as far as i'm concerned. Never get tired watching the process.
Excelentes enseñanzas y resultados. Gracias y felicidad. Saludos
There are those of us that don't mind the longer ones. We love watching the master work.
Much better than what's on TV !
A little longer than normal is fine. A LOT longer would be even better. Seriously,,, you have a core base of fans who ride with you every week,,, you might say we are addicted even. Once again,,, thank YOU for the efforts and time to make the video.
“It’s a little longer than normal, so I hope you don’t mind.”
Are you KIDDING me? I LOVE this stuff!
speaking for my self I'd watch them if they were 8 hours long.
same here....
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Count me in too.
I am in awe just watching the skill and precision one has to master to be a wheelwright.
I can't imagine how anyone could turn a tree trunk into a wagon wheel using only hand tools in a frontier environment.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaate!!!
What an epic project!! Length? The longer the better. Sure beats sitting in the rafters with a cooler full of beer, lmao!! You'd keep hosing us down & huntin' us out, 🤣🤣🤣.
Dave this is absolutely brilliant. Your work is really, really interesting to us, your viewers. You do it everyday, but we have to wait, and the end results you achieve are absolutely amazing.
Thank you for taking the time and sharing your profession with us, really appreciate the effort.
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We are glued to it, regardless of the length.
You said it, no matter the length we were glued to watch it.
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Ahhh ! Friday evening enjoying some fine craftsmanship after a long off and on stressful week , and I certainly don't mind a longer video , this stuff is more educational and enjoying than what they offer on TV , you learn by watching , listening and trying it first hand yourself . Attention to detail is always key . Did my first engine partial rebuild last weekend , if not for my neighbor taking time to guide me thru the stuff I was Leary about , would not been able to get my daughter's car back up running to full snuff . Those that take the time to demonstrate , explain and practice what they preach are the best teachers .
Keep those great vids coming Dave and
Thanks for sharing !
The best way to distress I know of!
I've never seen a profession that combines so many difficult, complicated and different skills. Not to mention film maker, teacher, communicator, businessman. You are amazing.
A supreme craftsman at work, I rarely if ever make such a statement, but I'm envious of this man's skill knowledge and lifestyle.
I watched every second, and every second (as usual) was fascinating! Don't apologize for the length of your videos, PLEASE! (Just keep making them!)
@@EngelsCoachShop tbh that was a perfect length ... long enough to feel satisfaction when it is done and not feel like it was rushed or that we missed something ... and short enough not to need a planned time to watch it
Amazing stuff to watch....very well done and it just goes to show how much work is involved with this trade!
No apologies needed for the length of the video I enjoyed it tremendously I've always wondered how the Wagon wheels were made an this gives me some of the answers ! Thank you so much for you taking time to video your craftsmanship I'm a sucker for old westerns an how it must've been alot harder back in the day when they didn't have power tools of today ! It was very educational to me ! Thank you so much ! 👍👍
Growing up watching my grandad doing exactly the same but bit different things .
60 years ago in Yugoslavia
Thank you for keeping the craft alive
Always enjoy your videos. 30 min is time well spent when it's one of your videos.
Longer is good and welcomed.
Well Dave here it is a couple of years later, and ai watched it ALL over again, and it still wasn't long enough LOL Thanks for the video. I love to watch a crafrsman work on his trade. It's like a ballet
Mind??? Who are you kidding??? Every Friday evening after a long week at the office, I unwind with a home-cooked meal watching your wonderful video. You have no idea how much joy they give us!
I would like to be good at just one of the crafts that you use every day. Thank you for great videos!
Your videos could be three hours long, I would watch them.
...but, how were they made with out power machines?
and electricity, becouse electric power came first, wasn't it?
Hammer and chisel Mr.@@T3SKATLIPOC4 !
exactly!
@@T3SKATLIPOC4 Water powered lathes and boring tools existed in the 18th century. The welding was a lot harder :)
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Anybody bored by the length of your video does not understand and appreciate CRAFTSMANSHIP! No CNC, no CAD, just old reliable machines and a wealth of experience. A grinder and welder are about the only nods to more modern times, but enjoying this is timeless. Thank you and I hope that your skills are passed on.
I am pretty sure no one is complaining that the video is too long but I guess you see the analytics that show some people have very short attention spans and only watch a certain length of time.
I will never complain about one of your videos being too long Dave. The work you do completely fascinates me and I could watch you for hours.
So when is the movie length show coming. We’ll all watch.
Hell yeah! You said it!
There won't ever be enough seasons.
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What ever you're charging, it's not enough! Enjoyed every minute, and it could be twice as long.
the way you move that, you would think it's 50lbs. You are in great shape, and it's always enjoyable watching you do your craft.
........ love seeing those old heavy duty tools being worked just built to last , just baffled at the simplicity of the circumference tool that can measure and give great results in the hands of someone who know how to use it....another great video .................U.K.........
I'd be still happy if this was live streamed :) then I could watch it all day long :)
Lol. Then we could b.s. while Dave works.
I'd never get anything done!
How's your back after rasslin' a 187 pound hub?!? Mine hurts just watching!!!
@@EngelsCoachShop Amen to that..trouble is my head keeps telling me that I AM twenty something, 50 years behind what my body tells me after lifting my metal sculptures around. Take care Dave.
My head writes checks my body can't cash...
Well done in all regards! Thanks for taking the time to make the video. Amazing work! !
I didn't mind the longer video one little bit...actually I rather enjoyed it. I don't get tired of watching you work.
As a boy, Saturday at the Westerns. Was glued to the TV. Had a love of that lifestyle. Then 30 years in Electronics. Being retired, woodworking, leathercraft and a little metal work. My Son is the welder. Didn't mind the length of the video. That's a huge hub. With my disability I can't lift 187 pounds, not anymore. You're a great Craftsman. Thanks for letting me watch how thee are made. Truly, this was on my, what I call, "I WONDER", list. I wonder how Wagon wheels are made is crossed out. Thanks.
I just enjoy watching the hubs to the wheels get made it’s neat.
I have watched this 2 times now, never too long Dave!
Am I the only one who comes back to watch these videos a second (or more) time wishing there was a way to tap “like” again? Love you work! Cheers! 🍻👍😊
I didn't notice the "Extra" 10 minutes. It was over before I was ready, just like always. I certainly cannot see where you could have cut anything out. The magic in a movie or a TV episode is a good story, well told. This is a good un. I could probably watch you sit and just talk about the tools for an hour. Well, I might pause it to get another cup of coffee or tea; because I wouldn't want to miss anything.
I can smell the wood shavings, the sulfur from the coal fired forge, the hot iron, and the quenching oil. You are bringing us right into your world; and that's a fine place to be. Way better than sitting at a crowded bus stop, smelling diesel fumes and waiting for half an hour on the Express into downtown Pittsburgh.
As always..... awesome skills... I really enjoyed the metal lathe techniques on wood. Camera work is excellent as well...thanks Dave
Ah...think you will find that wood lathes were in use long before metal ones were. IMHO
I enjoy watching your videos. Has a few has said already I would watch no matter the length.
Not sure how I came to be viewing videos about wagon wheels. But You Tube has this rabbit hole... There is a reason though that you were brought to my attention. You make things and you have a lot of likes and views. I am pretty sure I will not be repairing anything wagon related anytime soon but I would happily listen and watch you do almost anything and or share a cup of coffee or sit down to dinner with someone like you and appreciate what you do without needing to do it myself. I'm glad I get to share a little bit of your craft and meet a genuine character that I would happily fetch that tool for or crack a fresh cold one with.
YOUR EXTREME TALENTS ARE SO APPRECIATED BY FELLOW CARPENTERS LIKE MYSELF I ADMIRE THE PRECISE WORK YOU DO AND ONLY WISH I COULD HAVE WORK WITH YOU WHEN I DID MY APPRENTICESHIP I AM NOW APPROACHING 81 YEARS AND WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BEEN TAUGHT YOUR TRADE. FAITHFUL WATCHER, JIM R. CHAPEAU, AKA BERT.
Just love all the specialist tools you use ..fantastic 👍🇬🇧
Yes sir e bob, I'd watch stuff like that all day long too...just keep on posting videos like that...😎
That was 31 minutes sure seemed a lot shorter. I have been known to stand in a shop alot longer watching somebody work.
Time is irrelevant when you enjoy what you are watching.
Thank you Dave for the enjoyable video.
Length not a problem. This was a very interesting trip through the building process.
I like how you put the music in so we could still hear what was going on.
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Shoot, Dave, I've binge-watched the Borax build. This is just a warm up. Keep 'em coming.
Too long? No way! I could watch your work all day! Many thanks!
My great Grandfather Owned Marion County buggy and wagon works in Marion Co. Kentucky. My dad told me stories of when he was young boy getting to go to the shop on Saturdays to clean up. Watching you gives me an idea of what my great Grandfather did for a living. And for that , I say thank you.
Can you imagine back in the day when they had to chisel all those mortises by hand?
"Don't mind" I was disappointed when the video ended (too soon!)
This guy is way smarter then I will ever be. What a great video. Thank you Mr. Engel.
I love watching you do this preservation. I had a spring wagon I attempted to restore. I was patially successful, but I didn't have wheel wright in the 70s to fix one of my wheels, so it was never completed. I owed my Mother some money, and she took it in trade and put it in her flower garden. I guess that worked out fine enough.
I am always impressed with your eye for things, Long ago we used calipers and scale (not vernier or digital) and developed a feel for them and thinking back it was amazing just what tolerances we could see and feel. I may be the Jack of all trades, but you are the Master of many. Don't worry about the time, at 80 I can watch someone work for hours and it doesn't bother me at all.... Thank you for sharing.
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The secret of skill... by long experiences
I'm catching up with you, but I would love to spend a few weeks in his shop donating free labor just for the entertainment.
@@careymitchell4731 I'm afraid now I would just be in the way, but yes it would be a treat wouldn't it!
As I spent the earlier years of my 80-year-old living with my uncle building heavy wooden boats, I can appreciate all the craftsmanships and skills this gentleman applies. He is a brilliant man who does not only knows his woods, but he knows his metallurgy at the manner he welds and dips those hoops in the oil, and reheat them to fit.
Looking at this wheel, I cannot help wondering about its total strength and toughness. No doubt there is a good robust hub. Being an engineer who often tested items to destruction to check their strength, as they do in jet engines, all done for the safety of people I was wondering about the weakness of this hub. Looking at the 18 rectangular parallel holes in which the 18 spokes will fit, I am wondering if the wooden material left to tie the two side central discs of the wheel together would hold in the long run when that heavy wagon which will be loaded with at least five tons swinging laterally at axis level height, there will be a shearing/tensile stress in the wooden material between the spokes which would take a tension stress to parallel with the axle of the wheel. Seeing that there exist those two large low carbon iron hoops close to the spokes I wonder if these two hoops would be linked by welding/rivetting a number of straps that go between the spokes and so any side/ lateral acceleration or deceleration of the load on rough grounds would strengthen the weakness of the hub in the 18 links between the two side discs. I feel that the heavy iron hoops give more than ample strength to the stress they are designed to take, but those hoops and the central bearing seems to be too strong compared to the weakness of the woods between the spokes. Please note that my comment has nothing to do with the abilities and craftsmanship in which this hub was made. I am only suggesting a manner in which such a strong hub could be improved in its engineering weakness designed over 200 years ago.
Again, congratulations to Engels Wheelwright for such high craftsmanship and skills and the manner he manually lifts such heavy load when the need arises. He is a man of great logic, reason and rational thinking. Well done.
Carmel Pule. I believe wagons such as these ran at something like 5 mph on what were effectively "negative rails," i.e
deep ruts in dirt roads made by the passage of wagons just like the one that would have used this hub. Thus lateral stresses would have been somewhat constrained. Since such wagons had very high centers of gravity I would expect the drivers to have slowed down even further on turns. Thus I would expect primary stress loads would have been radial, the result of solid axle technology, when a wheel on one side encountered a bump or dip not present on the other side and the axle was forced to cant out of parallel to the ground. I assume that the internal metal hub was there as a bearing, to reduce friction and wear, not for strength per se. It needed to be so thick because it would have been made of fragile cast iron, for lubricity. Not sure whether the preload created by the steel bands served a purpose or not, but it's possible that compressing the wood fibers under the bands would have encouraged them to expand at the mortices, causing the hub to tighten up around the spokes. Just some thoughts.
@@joshdrexler8773 -Depicted in documented traveler details, thoroughly 'wetting' the wagon wheels subjected to dry climates while en-route, became routine daily, to swell and tighten all joints. Western arid territories, deserts were especially brutal for easterners unaware of such tendencies for loosening.
No matter how long, I watch and learn. Make them longer and we will watch. Every item we watch is watching an master artist at work. Would be interested in learning how wheels were made in the past comparing the process with not having modern tools to help with the milling process. I can not get enough and go back and watch the past videos again. Thanks for sharing.
@@EngelsCoachShop After watching the 20 mule wagons build (Death Valley Days TV shows), I find myself looking at wagons In the old western movies to see what kind they are and seeing detail I have never looked for and I get disappointed when I see a wagon burning. I have done living history (ca 1874 horse cavalry) and now appreciate the wagons that we used even more now. Thanks again ! ! !
Undoubtedly, the master craftsman demonstrated his knowledge, skills, experience, in design, planning, accurate measurements.and professionalism. Thanks
Your video are so interesting that who could mind if they are long, the longer the better
My Dad always said, "Work smarter, not harder!". It looks like you have learned that lesson too!
Stuff like this is infinitely better and more interesting than the pablum that is on TV these days. Keep them videos coming!
What you are watching here folks is what you call a true craftsman. Very impressive sir.
Never too long! I would enjoy watching you sharpen a pencil for 15 minutes!
You can make the videos as long as you wish, I still watch them all, how old was you when you started working in this type of work, was you an apprenticed ?
Your long video was great. You showed us a very complex and exacting piece of work. I do not like long videos where the creator has just stretched it out to get more viewing minutes. You condensed it as much as possible. You could have made a video that long on just the turning (i'm a turner) you showed enough for us to get the idea and moved on. I loved your sling support on the lathe Thank you for making such clear and to the point educational videos. You have given me some ideas on repairing a spinning wheel. I can make the parts individually, but fitting together properly so it will last another 100 years is something else.Great video by a great craftsman.
I find it interesting that we once had a blacksmith/wheelwright/livery shop in almost every town in America and now what Mr Engels does is considered by many to be functional art.
I'm pretty sure we'd all watch even if it was a full length live feed.....
When you first started spraying I could not tell if you were using a water hose, or a air hose.
@@EngelsCoachShop DAAAAA!!
I wish I had a fraction of the strength and energy that you seem to have. I have a lot of medical issues which means I can't do a whole lot anymore but you're definitely an inspiration to keep going. Thank you!
@@EngelsCoachShop Absolutely!
If you don't use it you will lose it
@@johnwinn4213 Yeah definitely! I'm always pushing myself.
Dear Dave,
Don’t concern yourself about making a video too long. I enjoy watching you make anything in your shop. I enjoy seeing your homemade tools, jigs, machinery and most of all, your attention to detail and pride in your work.
Vince
I’d be curious about how long that log had been drying and what you would do if you didn’t have time to wait for it to dry naturally.
@@EngelsCoachShop Dave, I'm wondering if once you rough turn, is the treating like packing away in damp shavings sort of thing?? My father uses this technique for turning beautiful bowls... Just curious.
That looks about the size of the Borax wagon wheels.
The stuff you can learn on UA-cam. This is incredible. What a craftsman.
Love it! No talking no loud music or guitar riffs. Just what you see is what you hear.
They lost the mold when craftsman like this were made, what does the future hold for this craft, as I see it the apprenticeship alone has to be 10 years, if not longer, my hat off to you sir, I love your videos.
Longer videos are great more the merry. Thanks it’s such a pleasure watching a master craftsmen.
I can watch you for hours I don't get sore arms or tired love your videos thanks for sharing 😎
I didn’t mind this length. It was a masterclass of craftmanship again, and therefore I would say: Dave, thank you!! Greatings from the Netherlands, Bram
First video I've seen of yours and wow. How many different skills involved. Woodworker/turner, blacksmith/machinist. So many old school trades involved in one product. You're a true craftsman sir well done. Imagine the old timers doing all that with no power tools
This is why my favorite day is Friday, even in retirement. Wish they all were longer.
Just found this channel. Not that I am interested in wagon wheels. But I like craftmanship. And this man is a master craftman
I could set my recliner up in the corner of your shop and watch you all day!
And worth every single minute! To watch as you manipulate and shape a great baulk of timber and thick steel into the central component of one of humanity's most important inventions with such precision and economy of effort is hypnotic and, as others here below have stated, something I would happily watch even were it hours long!. I've said it before but I'll say it again: The art and science you conserve for us all is more important than any iPhone or artificial, digital economy. The future holds what? Who knows? But there will always be a need for man to move himself, his family, and all his goods from A to B, relying on a hub that will last for a hundred years and more. Thank you a thousand times over!
Long is ok, long is perfect. These videos are like a balm after a burn.
It's always nice to watch a craftsman at work.
And that's just one. Mesmerizing. Every step carefully coreographed. You are awesome.
I don't mind the video being a little longer, I'm watching all your videos back to back.
Thanks for sharing your incredible skills with us Dave! It is a delight to watch a craftsman who has the right tool for each operation and the skills to use each of them properly. Watching you create is both informative and entertaining. The fact that this video has 20,850 views a little after 8pm EST the day after you posted it tells the story of how many folks appreciate your craftsmanship.
Can honestly say 10 extra minutes is a bonus. Fascinating stuff!
I'm with most of the other commenters on this: I'd gladly watch a feature-length film of you creating these works of art that are built to work hard and last for decades doing that work.
I always chuckle when shown the AARP calculator, Dave always seems to be fully employed at something! Not retired at all!
Over 74,000 people have clicked on this video so far. I know that I'm a bit strange, but I have no idea what excuse all the other folks have for watching. I have been interested in wagon building for several years, and really enjoy watching someone skilled make these things.
A very talented craftsman that makes you want to watch all day! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks again for the opportunity to watch a master Craftsman at work....
I just found you and will spend today watching some more of your videos. I'm 78 been in the machine shop since 23 mostly metal. Worked for rubber roll company building the rolls from scratch and then cover with rubber. We used a pi tape to check dia of the rolls. Have done some wood work on the lathe for myself. Really enjoyed watching you machine the wood and make the metal rings to press fit. Am interested to see the rest of the wheel build. Us old timers are the true machinists, most of the guys now just the check parts as the cnc or whatever automatic lathe or mill spits out. It's more computer operator than machinist. You tube is full of videos of people building something or the other and they run 1-2 hours, so don't apologize for 30 minutes. I thought it was a bit short, let em run. Workers now complain if they pick up 20-25 lbs. when I was on the farm, picking up 100-150-200 lbs was just just part of the days work.