I really dug this video because it sheds light on Wynton’s thing with styles. When he said that he doesn’t have anything against style, that he spent his time playing funk, but that he really wanted to focus on being able to play legit bebop, I can dig that, and it confirms what I always felt about his comments in the 80’s about what Miles and the fusion guys were doing: that when he was playing in the Jazz Messengers, he was at a level that takes a lot of time and work to be able to get to, and he wanted to protect classic jazz from what was happening at that time. It probably takes more hours to learn how to play bebop than to become a brain surgeon. I have been working on it for decades and still feel like I don’t completely have it. So this video really made me understand him. But I think we should clarify semantics: bebop, big band, second line, hard bop, cool jazz, jazz rock - those are all styles. Jazz, in itself, imo is not a style, it’s an art form, a musical function, like f(x)=y, applied to musical content, and that content can include literally anything. Jazz is an assimilation function, it is inclusive not restrictive. Ellington took from Debussy, all the greats assimilated and synthesized new stuff. Then you take that an use it to extemporaneously interpret a song, and the song is just a vehicle to apply this function. Now all the world’s music is open to us to apply the jazz function to. Jazz is more than just a style of music.
Excellent advice from Wynton. You need to get better all the time and that doesnt stop when you achieve one of your goals as a musician. In fact, look for the players that are way beyond your level and study what they are doing. Remember, you are only competing with yourself, everyone can teach you something.
Many of us view stealing ideals aftef learning basics technical applications as laziness and lacm of own imaginations plud experiences. Hollywokd Blues was fakeness until now!
My father in law was an alto man who was born in Watts and came up on Central Avenue in LA. He was close with Don Cherry and Ornette Coleman, and they all used to say that Wynton sounded like he was practicing. That was their way of saying -- just like Ellis Marsalis was saying in Wynton's historical recount -- that Wynton hadn't yet figured out how to really PLAY. They're all gone now, but I often wonder if they finally would approve of Wynton's playing. RIP to all the greats!
...it was some Nineteen- Eighties evening when @Herbie Hancock was going to play a "live" on tv. i was so ready for it. If i recall correctly, they had proclaimed a "Herbie Hancock Day" in Chicago. And there they were, Ron Carter, Tony Williams and Herbie, sounding great, feeling great. After a couple tunes, #Herbie announced a trumpet player coming out. One might have expected @Miles. But wait, it was this young man, Wynton Marsailas. " 'round Midnight", "Eye Of The Hurricane", it suddenly went up a notch in intensity,all of them. My friend, a trupeter, hadn't known of @Wynton yet never forgot about him since. If one loved American music, how could ya forget!? Not long after, Wynton's classical side came out with a Philharmonic Orchestra, wOWa!! In some way, it does not seem long ago!!! How priveledged to catch this, and when he gets funny, yEaYah- Thank you!
It's true you can learn from ANY style. I've been listening to the cowboy yodelling versions of 'I remember you'. There are, believe it or not, several versions. Even the Beatles did one, although they were subtly mocking it. Anyway, I learned how NOT to sing it. I also discovered that the lyrics are about Judy Garland, which is a good starting point for exploring the real spirit of that song. Yodelling it ain't
Don’t ever believe you’ve ’made it’ at anything in life, but especially when playing music. Complacency kills creativity and growth. Always look for improvement and strive to be the best you can be, which often requires a person leaving their comfort zone. Learn from any and all situations
Yes Dad, I can play the style of Jazz (Music) I'm playing and the best I can do is not overthink, have fun and let you & others speak your opinions. Anyone really listening knows Wynton call play!! ENJOY!!
Took me a long time to understand that "Can't Play" line but now I get it . Someone in Wynton's LCO said "Coltrane couldn't play" and we were all WTF? it's just basically saying never stop improving. Classical musicians should teach everyone to thrive on merciless criticism. Can't benefit from it unless you Accept it.
But who is the musician who speaks at 05:00? Could you credit him by adding his name to the video description above? Also, could you add when and where this video was filmed to the video description above?
Yeah early Wynton t dazzled you with his technique.. But that being said, You would hear moments of brilliant jazz coming out of a young Wynton so you know it was always there. I just had to horn in on it. . He was always a really good composer
I'm sorry, but I don't know if that's what the kid really needed to hear. I doubt he can really understand the answers at his age. He needed a much more specific answer. The only thing he can take from it is inspiration. It was hard for Wynton, so it's ok if it's hard for you too. Go practice.
I don't like it when musicians get boxed in to genres. But lets face it, if you wanna make money jazz isn't the path for you. And the greatest jazz musicians will only impress a select few affluent fans. Yes it is a more intellectual music. But last time I checked, money is required to pay bills.
To me, he sounds like he's a combination of Clark Terry-lite, Clifford, and Miles...but mostly Clark. Wynton should be paying residuals to Clark Terry's estate.
I agree with Ellis: Clark Terry -- now THAT cat CAN play...and I'll take any Terry LP over Wyn's releases. Terry is able to speak through the horn with something that Wyn just doesn't seem to have. Amen.
There it is. He even said what other people are still saying to this day. To be honest, some of it jelly. But this brother never figured it out and it's still true. His Dad was mean but maybe he was trying to save his son from a life shame. Wynton got famous but it doesn't hid his shortcomings when he plays in the jazz style which many people (good ones) don't find interesting.
Yup. Still true to this day. BTW, Grammys have become insignificant. People find their music on social media these days. This is where the real talent shines away from the gatekeepers of the music industry that fueled the Grammy scam.
I really dug this video because it sheds light on Wynton’s thing with styles. When he said that he doesn’t have anything against style, that he spent his time playing funk, but that he really wanted to focus on being able to play legit bebop, I can dig that, and it confirms what I always felt about his comments in the 80’s about what Miles and the fusion guys were doing: that when he was playing in the Jazz Messengers, he was at a level that takes a lot of time and work to be able to get to, and he wanted to protect classic jazz from what was happening at that time. It probably takes more hours to learn how to play bebop than to become a brain surgeon. I have been working on it for decades and still feel like I don’t completely have it. So this video really made me understand him. But I think we should clarify semantics: bebop, big band, second line, hard bop, cool jazz, jazz rock - those are all styles. Jazz, in itself, imo is not a style, it’s an art form, a musical function, like f(x)=y, applied to musical content, and that content can include literally anything. Jazz is an assimilation function, it is inclusive not restrictive. Ellington took from Debussy, all the greats assimilated and synthesized new stuff. Then you take that an use it to extemporaneously interpret a song, and the song is just a vehicle to apply this function. Now all the world’s music is open to us to apply the jazz function to. Jazz is more than just a style of music.
So glad to have heard Wynton Marsalis' avant garde improvisation in his young days, simply technically brilliant. Most humble leader !
Excellent advice from Wynton. You need to get better all the time and that doesnt stop when you achieve one of your goals as a musician. In fact, look for the players that are way beyond your level and study what they are doing. Remember, you are only competing with yourself, everyone can teach you something.
Many of us view stealing ideals aftef learning basics technical applications as laziness and lacm of own imaginations plud experiences. Hollywokd Blues was fakeness until now!
i really admire wynton. he seems down to earth while also appreciative of great art
My father in law was an alto man who was born in Watts and came up on Central Avenue in LA. He was close with Don Cherry and Ornette Coleman, and they all used to say that Wynton sounded like he was practicing. That was their way of saying -- just like Ellis Marsalis was saying in Wynton's historical recount -- that Wynton hadn't yet figured out how to really PLAY. They're all gone now, but I often wonder if they finally would approve of Wynton's playing. RIP to all the greats!
...it was some Nineteen- Eighties evening when @Herbie Hancock was going to play a "live" on tv.
i was so ready for it. If i recall correctly, they had proclaimed a "Herbie Hancock Day" in Chicago.
And there they were, Ron Carter, Tony Williams and Herbie, sounding great, feeling great.
After a couple tunes, #Herbie announced a trumpet player coming out. One might have expected @Miles. But wait, it was this young man, Wynton Marsailas.
" 'round Midnight", "Eye Of The Hurricane", it suddenly went up a notch in intensity,all of them.
My friend, a trupeter, hadn't known of @Wynton yet never forgot about him since.
If one loved American music, how could ya forget!?
Not long after, Wynton's classical side came out with a Philharmonic Orchestra, wOWa!!
In some way, it does not seem long ago!!!
How priveledged to catch this, and when he gets funny, yEaYah- Thank you!
Excellent honesty and encouragement! Thanks for posting!!
🙏🏾
Great answer from the guy after Wynton.
🎉There’s nobody like Marsilas ~Humble Brilliant and Great sharing his wisdom love and compassion for all of us Artist walking our path ❤
I love his father's question, "But can you play?" Jazz is a gift to humanity. For that matter, so is Wynton Marsalis!
~ Greg G. 🎵
Miles Davis on Wynton Marsalis in 1987 ua-cam.com/video/Vls7XM336rM/v-deo.html
Wynton is the best of the best❤
I still regard WM as an exceptional musicologist .
Clip at end is freaking awesome!
So wynton is was finally experiencing a existential phenomenon he couldn’t possibly denote 😂love this weird thang of life
The end solo😅 part 🔥🔥
Great person and musician, comes from the cradle of jazz and it shows!👌🎶💯🥸
It's true you can learn from ANY style. I've been listening to the cowboy yodelling versions of 'I remember you'. There are, believe it or not, several versions. Even the Beatles did one, although they were subtly mocking it. Anyway, I learned how NOT to sing it. I also discovered that the lyrics are about Judy Garland, which is a good starting point for exploring the real spirit of that song. Yodelling it ain't
I chuckled hard reading this
Kinda curious now
Don’t ever believe you’ve ’made it’ at anything in life, but especially when playing music. Complacency kills creativity and growth. Always look for improvement and strive to be the best you can be, which often requires a person leaving their comfort zone. Learn from any and all situations
Yes Dad, I can play the style of Jazz (Music) I'm playing and the best I can do is not overthink, have fun and let you & others speak your opinions. Anyone really listening knows Wynton call play!! ENJOY!!
Took me a long time to understand that "Can't Play" line but now I get it . Someone in Wynton's LCO said "Coltrane couldn't play" and we were all WTF? it's just basically saying never stop improving. Classical musicians should teach everyone to thrive on merciless criticism. Can't benefit from it unless you Accept it.
The first person our brother should have mentioned when he got that Grammy was God.
Pops was just playing, he knew wynton had the ability.Just Pops personality nothing more.just keeping his son grounded.
Wynton: "Not to be prejudiced against styles". Also Wynton: Has Ken Burns completely ignore fusion in his documentary series "Jazz".
But who is the musician who speaks at 05:00? Could you credit him by adding his name to the video description above? Also, could you add when and where this video was filmed to the video description above?
That is the great Tatum Greenblatt
@@greyhall8103 Thank you, maybe the uploader will eventually add this information to the video description above.
Yeah early Wynton t dazzled you with his technique.. But that being said, You would hear moments of brilliant jazz coming out of a young Wynton so you know it was always there. I just had to horn in on it. . He was always a really good composer
I'm sorry, but I don't know if that's what the kid really needed to hear. I doubt he can really understand the answers at his age. He needed a much more specific answer. The only thing he can take from it is inspiration. It was hard for Wynton, so it's ok if it's hard for you too. Go practice.
Yes, Wynton's father's criticism of his playing was correct. However, I can't help but think his criticism was skewed.
still true.
I don't like it when musicians get boxed in to genres. But lets face it, if you wanna make money jazz isn't the path for you. And the greatest jazz musicians will only impress a select few affluent fans. Yes it is a more intellectual music. But last time I checked, money is required to pay bills.
Wynton never really lived up to the hype he was given early. Great musician, not an innovator like many Jazz Titans but a very good player.
So he's a technician. To me, he sounds like everyone else.
To me, he sounds like he's a combination of Clark Terry-lite, Clifford, and Miles...but mostly Clark. Wynton should be paying residuals to Clark Terry's estate.
Worst musician ever! 😐
I agree with Ellis: Clark Terry -- now THAT cat CAN play...and I'll take any Terry LP over Wyn's releases. Terry is able to speak through the horn with something that Wyn just doesn't seem to have. Amen.
There it is. He even said what other people are still saying to this day. To be honest, some of it jelly. But this brother never figured it out and it's still true. His Dad was mean but maybe he was trying to save his son from a life shame. Wynton got famous but it doesn't hid his shortcomings when he plays in the jazz style which many people (good ones) don't find interesting.
his dad was right .
Yup. Still true to this day. BTW, Grammys have become insignificant. People find their music on social media these days. This is where the real talent shines away from the gatekeepers of the music industry that fueled the Grammy scam.
@@J3unG so ...he can't play well enough?
Young lion Marsalis at the end 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 🎺 He can blow! 😎
Wynton can play…..does that have to be said.