Overland VS Off Road: The Real Difference
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Overland travel aka overlanding has become increasingly popular over the past decade, as vehicle-based adventure travel to remote and beautiful locations has become glorified through online press, popular journalism, and across social media. As more adventurers choose to escape to the great outdoors to pursue their passions via their own vehicles, a host of overland and expedition camping and accessory companies have sprung up to flood the market with car camping and off-road accessories to ensure travelers have all the comforts of home while on the road. An accidental side effect of this easy accessibility to overland and expedition products has blurred the line between off-road driving and actual overlanding, as more and more drivers incorporate overland-inspired gear and technology into their lives. The question has now become: where exactly does one end and the other begin? Do you need a built xj Cherokee or yj Wrangler, or can you use a street driven Toyota Tacoma or Tundra? Join us as we look at a very brief history of overlanding, define exactly what overlanding is, and look at the real differences between overland and off road.
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In Northern California overlanding means buying a 60k dollar rig, putting a roof tent and 37s +, and going places a stock 20 year old ford ranger could go and taking pics for instagram.
The problem with class 4s in Vermont, is the property owners. Even though it's a public right of way and there's actually laws that prohibit land owners from gating them, they act like it's a private road. I've had people threatening to call the cops for trespassing even without posted signs, gates, or anything. They dump boulders on the roads, lay trees across them, anything to stop people from driving them even though it's 100% legal to drive, and actually illegal to block them. I always respect seasonal signs because I do care about respecting trails. And when a land owner asks me to leave I respect them and do so even though they are in the wrong.
See the same thing here in Minnesota but we call them minimum maintenance roads or fire roads depending on what part of the state you're in. The MMR's and ditches 30ft off the road on both sides are free use by law but farmers like to bitch and make threats if you use them. I used to carry a set of bolt cutters because of the gates and when they'd call the cops who'd side with the farmer most of the time, I'd call the DNR and the DNR would make them tear down the gates and move any obstructions blocking the road. I didn't have any issue with gates that weren't locked, some farmers would have cattle on both sides of the MMR and they'd combine the two fields and put a gate up to keep the cattle in. They'd usually have a sign asking to close the gate and I never found one left open. Some of the MMR'S would cut 10 miles off a trip and when you're out on ATV or snowmobile all day that could be the difference in making it to the gas station or running empty. I've ran across trap's on trails over a dozen times but always managed to stop in time I had a buddy in front of me get his skis caught under a cable stretched across the trail sent him over the bars but he was fine. Sled wasn't.
Big problem in every state as I drive across country alot .I call blm or police for advice feeling I've got my BLM wrong and each time they say the same thing..."its a problem with those certain ppl we are currently working on" we seriously need a website listing each case , like (free camping) websites so ppl know where the loonies are.cuz after days of driving to run into creeps looking to vandalize your vehicle the minute u leave camp to go hiking is becoming a issue,,,but if we win by law they just lay spike strips ,,their camoed metal cables across roads at night are dang near beheading dualsport riders atm,,so yeah ,,Houston we got a problem
@@noisycrickets1309 i had no idea psychos were doing this. I have not run into any issues on any trails in california. Utah seemed like some zealots but generally the government blocked everything in utah
We run into that issue as well in Vermont. We print off the Class 4 Maps off of the state websites. Class 4 Trails are also tricky, not only because a lot of them are roped off, but you never know the difficulty. Some are just dirt roads with a bunch of pot-holes, others are more difficult. We look for the more difficult style and have found a few good ones, but it takes a lot of work.
Back in my day we called this a road trip.
Back when all you needed was a Thomas guide and a cooler! 🤘🏽😎
Haha... thanks for the clarification... I am definitly an off road camper, not an over-lander (cant take that much time off of work). But you know the commercial hype for "over-landing rigs" will make folks think they are over-landing driving said rigs even if they go for a few days of camping.
Søren Melchior well are you having fun? 👍 that’s all that matters.
Overlanding + Off Roading = Welcome to the military!
Brett Kuykendall overlanding + off-roading + taking shit from an overpaid douche + being an underpaid boot = Military!
Yep, I had 23 years of it.
@@Wheelman81 LOL, hell no! Absolutely not! 😂
@@Wheelman81, Not unless you have a crew of maintenance and fuel support following you around.
I wish there was an easy way to map out those class 6 roads.
Well said.
Here's a link to resources relating to class VI roads in NH I've compiled: send.firefox.com/download/22850046d9446fa5/#N7YWq18mdV0KQXsiuAsPxA
No you don't !!!! It will make em more busy !
Ha, ha. I just recently just came off a 5350 mile road trip and I guess I could’ve said I was over landing but I forgot and always told people I was road tripping.
Yup I drive my OllllllO here I drive my OllllllO everywhere yup it's a road trip some times 100 miles others 2000 miles see you next go round.
I'm from Québec , and I have to say that most country roads in the north looks like they aren't maintened , even if they are. The alsphalt is contracting and expending during the winter , making a lot of potholes , and I'm not even starting with the almost useless snow plowing.
Overlanding to a rally event is the best combo 🤘
I participated in the Perking to Paris Vintage Motor Rally last Summer. That is overlanding. 36 days, camping in Mongolia, Kazahakstan and Russia. Thousand of miles of dirt track across the Gobi Desert and in Kazahakstan plus rally stages in Russia and Finland. Also, not a 4 wheel or all wheel drive allowed among the 106 cars entered. I own a Jeep but you don't need a Jeep to really have an adventure.
I'm from Northeastern OHIO and I just wanna say we Off Road up here. We get snow sometimes more than a foot deep, drive through farm fields and pastures, take trucks through woods, and occasional camping.. rarely see dirt roads besides Amish Country but the mount of time I spend in a field, pasture, woods, snow drift, or ditch is way more challenging than 90 percent of "Overlanding"
In 1984 I drove from California to Alaska on the Alaskan Highway (which was almost 100% gravel) in a 1991 VW Rabbit GTI (still see those teeny cars driving around)...
How??
@@KOTW.Adventures diesel AWD
Who cares what you call it? I road a Jawa 350 all over North Africa 50 years ago. In 1972 I road my 750 BMW from Washington DC to Fairbanks Alaska and then down to Panama. You think I care what you call it ? ? I did not care if it had a name? I was just having FUN!
Thank you for defining this! I have a great off-road camper trailer and a slightly modified truck that I use to go camping in remote locations. I have everything but the fridge because I like to be comfortable. I've been doing this since the 70's and don't know why people want to put a name to it so badly. Overlanding is not what people think it is.
THANK YOU!
Nice video, keep them coming ✌
Off-roading = Rock crawler type vehicle needed
Overlanding = Whatever trail a Subaru can do.
Love your videos, the fact that you don’t sugar coat things is great, the information you provide is top notch and very technical, thank you.
Thanks for all the informative and entertaining content you guys keep putting out
Not sure why there would be confusion. Australians coined the term. They move livestock over long distances and camp overland. It is nothing more than camping (most of the time off the ground, because of all the dangers of being on the ground.)
Go to Africa or Australia or the Middle East and They do over-landing right
Evan Moon Correct. It’s amusing watching the ‘new’ trend of overlanding being discussed. It’s been a thing in Australia and Sth Africa forever, and by Australians and others internationally, but not just since since 4WDs became mainstream. Motorbikes and 2WD vehicle’s opened up much of Australia, following wildlife trails to begin with, and these trails eventually becoming ‘roads’. What’s old, is new again...
Model T Ford's opened up most of Africa a hundred years ago. They were going world wide in the 1020's and before. Decades before Jeep or Land Rovers were even thought of yet.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 Model Ts didn't open Africa up Lmao, Africa was opened up by the French and Germans building railways and roads, with German vehicles like Daimlers being king at the time all the way back in the late 1800s.
New scenery? Looks cool to me!
Super petty video, but hey thanks for setting the Internet straight! 👍
I live in New York, how could I find an equivalent to class 6 roads here? I've been wanting to find something like that to just go around and have some fun driving on.
Check out gravelmap.com/
Team O'Neil thanks!
@@Teamoneilrally I actually found that site after doing some searching myself, thanks! Definitely hope to have some fun with it.
So, in short, What mileage make it an overland adventure, rather than an offroading/camping trip?
I guess multi day connecting A to B would justify??
He discussed what makes overlanding different at the beginning, but didn't tie that back in when he discussed overlanding toward the end. I'm not a fan of defining mileage or numbers of days or even where. Rather, it's more about the experience of the journey. Meeting new people. Searching out amazing sights. Learning about different cultures (and anyone who thinks the US has one culture hasn't done much traveling in it), traditions and the community and natural history of an area. It's immersing oneself into the adventure, not just completing a technical route. It involves a high level of competence in new skills, such as first-aid, vehicle trail repairs, camping, cooking and traveling in foul weather, and maybe even radio operations over longer distances, and writing or photography to document the adventure.
@@DxDOverland great explanation! Also, Subd to your channel.
@@JChurchua Thanks. Yeah, I actually have my own video on how I define overlanding up on the channel. I begin with the Oxford English Dictionary. ;-) I hope you find useful and enjoyable content there.
Overland vs off-road
And then there's the Gambler 500 😁
Off-road camping is still overlanding by definition, it's not transcontinental overlanding which is still the same thing just on a much bigger scale. Off-road is over land, off of the road. Sailing in a bay is still sailing. If you're driving and setting up camp and being self reliant and not staying in a hotel every night you're overlanding. Sounds like you talked to the extremists/elitests. Overlanding is about the adventure it doesn't matter if you drive 200 miles or 12000 miles. Alot of the elitests transcontinental overlanders don't get off the trail they're glorified RVists. If you Rally race 1 mile you must not be Rally racing because it's not 20 miles. That's the toxic side of the community that has to play the dick measuring game. It's stupid and they push alot of people away from the community you don't see the same divide outside of the US. Definition! Overlanding is self-reliant overland travel to remote destinations where the journey is the principal goal. Typically, but not exclusively, it is accomplished with mechanized off-road capable transport where (the principal form of lodging is camping), OFTEN (
You make a good point. Something I notice about car culture in general, in the context of US vs other countries (mainly Europeans in my experience), is that here in the US we are much more competitive within whatever community you wanna talk about. Euros I have met were massively chill for lack of a better term. In their eyes a guy showing up to his first track day in a clapped out high mileage MX5 was just as interesting as the old salt with a race machine worth 80k. In the states I think we keep people from coming back or even trying in the first place by being so snooty and that's too bad IMO.
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I'm glad someone brought this up.. I don't think any real overlander would discredit a shorter trip weather it be short distance or time.. Kinda ruined this video for me
Knallkoper Morder yeah, seriously, let’s just call it what it is here in the states, remote/offroad RVing. In other words, its a cheap road trip (cheaper than normal RVing anyway)
Btw i think an inverter is invaluable to these long trips and should be considered as necessary for this style travel, next to water storage and a bed. Beyond that not much other special equipment is needed.
Knallkoper Morder - Well said, and totally agree. Self reliance and escaping from the ‘nanny state’ for awhile appeals, no matter the length of time. “It’s not the destination, it’s the journey.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Both are right but both have missed the most important part. "Reliant or Dependant". If you are off roading your vehicle in a manner that could jeopardize your home, you are not a proper overlander. The emphasis is on the journey so the vehicle (your home) must survive. If you bash your vehicle to see if you can conker an obstacle you are off roading or four wheeling. If you need to return home if you break something you are off roading. Overlanding is a state of mind that requires restraint and should focus on the journey, not the driving. Your surroundings should be more interesting to you, than your stuff. Truck camping is overland training. It is like the difference between Karate Kid and Miogi. It is not youth, or strength, or speed. It is a state of mind. LOL
So it's basically car camping right! Some folks just have more vacation time.
what about land-cruising lol great video as always gents
I've been telling people this but they say "oK bOoMeR"
I doubt i would find anything driveable in Germany when it comes to offroad tracks since everything is owned/closed by farmers or rangers :/
I think I eventually will turn my e30 into a overland machine... maybe in a couple years
Ayyy
In Oklahoma like 90% of the land is privately owned. So I guess its all offroading here.
The video discussed in the beginning how overlanding isn't just driving off-road, but failed to tie that back in when he discussed overlanding toward the end. Living in MWC, I understand the challenge of private land in OK. But there are opportunities to travel for multiple days, while depending on your vehicle and skills to keep moving, and meeting new people, discovering (for yourself) amazing sights, learning the history of an area, etc. It is that level of involvement in the travel that separates overlanding from off-roading and camping. While most of my travels are outside Oklahoma, last year I drove the OK section of the TAT with some side trips thrown in to get us to suitable campsites. If you're interested, here is the teaser for that series (which is now online). Perhaps it will give you some ideas ...
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yea I learned the hard way, probably damaged my suspension a little bit
basically I found a dirt road, so I decided to send it with super stiff suspension... yea that was the bumpiest dirt road I've ever driven. never again
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What can I do with a stock Honda Accord? LOL
You CAN do more with it than most people with fancy 4wd rigs actually DO do...
Seriously, throw a tent in the trunk and go find out sometime!
You can do a lot more than most people do with their built Jeeps and Tacomas....
A lot! instagram.com/p/B8g51Y-jSrf/?igshid=1idc5gw87baqv
Gambling is overlanding in a $500 Accord.
Bosco Han Set it on fire, claim insurance, buy a 4wd. 🤣
If you are on the east coast of the United States and you are looking for an overland route, check out appalachianbyway.com
Oooooo this looks fun
@@Teamoneilrally It's a blast. We did it for the Tepui Year of Endless Adventure contest.
Overlanding is camping using dirt roads, Off road is places you only can go with a serious off road rig.
Good thing a youtube dude got a magazine to tell him to tell me what to call my adventures (...can I say adventures or is there a word your sponsors have defined that they'd prefer I use?).
*fart noise
Semantics
*stops arguing and gets out there, not caring about words
You can call your car a spaceship if you'd like and say you're exploring the galaxy on the weekends, get out there and have fun with it!
The constant conversation about the wording just cracks me up. I love seeing what people do, with whatever vehicle they have, wherever they may go (and I appreciate seeing them on the trail from my truck more than I do from a computer screen, but some instagrammers have some cool stuff too that I'd never see on any of the trails we hit..).
Anyway.. Catch ya' on the trail - whether it's overlanding or crawling or camping or........
Apollo FZJ80 AWAY!!!!
You seriously just talked in circles. "Overlanding is driving overland, but not this trail because it's too small". Dude, a serious 22 mile tech trail can take as long to travel as 350 miles of paved road. Overlanding is simple. If you have a start point and end point and camp between them, its overlanding. If you go play on trails and camp so you can head back home at a decent time, it's offroading.
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You made a word!
Beaaaahahaha. So ridiculous I could spot it in the first sentence. “The last decade...” damn. Couldn’t sound more “Follow the fad” If you tried. Nice one, ALMOST bought your credibility.
Are you suggesting that overlanding has not become increasingly popular over the past decade? Because that's an indisputable fact.
You take it way too literally.