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The Future of Rapid Transit and Streetcars in Toronto (2019)
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
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00:00 Introduction
00:45 Current Subway System
02:45 GO RER
03:05 Under Construction Lines
04:19 Planned Lines & Extensions
06:47 Railyards of the System
08:21 Current Streetcar System
09:08 Future Streetcar Lines
10:17 Streetcar Yards
10:50 Conclusion
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Hi, my name's Reece. I'm a passionate Creator, Transportation Planner, and Software Developer, interested in rapid transportation all around my home base of Toronto, Canada, as well as the whole world!
It does drive me crazy that they don't intend to extend the Sheppard line to Sheppard West station. That area would be an ideal interchange for riders throughout northern Toronto and the 905, avoiding the awkward and bumpy bus option.
It makes far more sense than the eastern extension, plus it would provide operational benefits for Line 1.
What about extending Finch West to Finch Yonge station? Ya it's not a subway but gets the job done
@@globalfoodaction6748 It's further north, so the distance between the two stations would be much greater. Plus, you wouldn't get the benefits of Wilson Yard access on the Yonge line, and (potentially) the relief line. While getting from Sheppard West to Sheppard Yonge may take 5-7 minutes (depending on the number of stops), the trip from Finch West to Yonge station would be something like 20-25 minutes (3* the number of stops, no/low signal priority, etc)
What about the Hydro corridor? It’s not that far north of Finch and is in line with the stations there now. Those parking lots along the trail can also be mid rise building or something mixed use like they built along the west Toronto rail path.
I agree they should go to Scarborough station and to Sheppard west
I have visited Toronto several times...and really enjoyed my visits to that wonderful city. I got a day pass and went all over on the streetcar lines and subway lines. I think it great to see Toronto expanding their public transportation network, as well as GO train service. You do a nice job on your videos.
Hey, train supporter, did you notice that Toronto and the entire Canada rail system stopped development in Stone Age. Zero speedy trains in the second huge country by territory. They still use diesel trains when China, Japan, Korea and even Europe have developed electric bullet train railway systems and even Maglev trains.
There is Also Lots of Construction on Eglinton Avenue and Finch Avenue West
It's amazing that our first subway was in 1954, and has been growing so slowly especially with the doubling of population in the Toronto area over the last 70 years. It's about time we have these routes, but way too slow!
If it makes you feel better, Cleveland opened their first heavy rail line only a year later than Toronto. As late as 1960 Greater Cleveland had a population rivalling that of the Toronto CMA. Today Toronto CMA has 3x the people as Greater Cleveland and Cleveland still had only one heavy rail line.
As Toronto amalgamated and its inner city steadily grew, Cleveland proper now has only 40% of its peak population as people fled to the suburbs, jobs left Downtown, and crime rose, scaring the remaining inner city residents off of transit. No wonder Toronto has 40x the heavy rail weekday ridership of Cleveland.
Hope they can extend line 4 to west connecting Sheppard west
Not if they extend east first
Mel Lastman Should have insisted on than when they were building the Sheppard line building a western part of the line
There's a couple of things I wish the city should work on like extending line 2 to square one. It would be nice if the crosstown and line 2 was also extended to malvern town center with line 2 stopping at centennial college and the crosstown to stop at u of t at an underground station. It would also be convenient if line 1 was extended to major mckenzie on both sides to serve richmond hill go and Canada's Wonderland. not to mention extendending the finch west lrt to pearson conncecting it with the eglinton crosstown.
Damn I really did get into the Toronto transit rabbit hole
Very detailed. Thank you for the considerable effort.
Very informative, thanks for the information! Because I live in work in downtown, I haven’t taken the subway in years, I haven’t been on a street car for years either, one of these days, just for fun, I want to just go for a ride, go out to the van and see all the stations, and check out the new street cars. Normally I drive, simply because I suffer from extreme anxiety And claustrophobia, two things that are not good if you have to take public transit. That’s why I moved downtown, so I didn’t have to commute, back when I used to have to take public transit, it wasn’t much better than driving, so I said screw it, and bought a car. Granted traffic is getting a lot worse than it used to be, but the only time I drive is when I’m leaving the city to go visit my folks out in Niagara Falls, Not something I can hop on the subway to get to. But it is interesting to see just how big a rapid transit and subway lines are getting. From what my coworkers tell me, it’s still not that great, the trains are still packed, and can’t keep up with the mend. But the city is growing so damn fast, averaging about 110,000 new citizens every year just in the GTA alone. They could build 24 seven for the next 20 years and still not keep up, I think it’s time city Council and the federal government sat down together and talked this thing out, before we have an infrastructure that’s crumbling beneath our feet, if it isn’t already. For those of you that do use the TTC, how would you rate the service nowadays? As opposed to, say, 10 years ago?
Nice video but sometimes its hard to see what you add to the map each time, particularly for the smaller symbols like rail yards. Probably want to highlight the features currently being added with a circle or something if you do something similar in the future.
That's is what I was thinking when I was watching the video the new lines and rail yards that he was adding were hard to see
@@MrUmeabdullah1 agreed
100 percent
Improvements have been made since!
I’m excited for all of these! Especially the Ontario Line and Crosstown LRT!
First but you already knew that because Toronto is amazing and it’s transit Future is very exciting
I love your videos, they’re awesome!,
Great videos. I hope you come back to Vancouver one day and start doing videos on Vancouver transit!
Hey Reece, I love your videos - can I recommend looking into using a vector graphic program for you diagrams? Inkscape is a great free option. You make great use of your schematics and designs and I'd love to see it tidied up a bit!
Very good report.
Great video! I'm really looking forward to the new Scarborough line. It's long overdue! I'm also looking forward to the Ontario line. Catching subways downtown is insane! I'm very curious to see happens when the OL is built. Hopefully the downtown subway stations like Yonge and Bloor will be relaxed/reduced as far as rider capacity goes.
I am from 2022, believe me, nothing happens with "new Scarborough line", it doesn't exist yet. Most likely, Line 3 will be removed, temporarily will be replaced by shuttle busses, and later the replacement by the buses will be permanent.
great video. I like it
Can’t wait for this to finally be done, it’s taking forever
Line 5 delayed until 2022. Line 3 being decomissioned in 2023, 7 years before completion of the line 2 expansion from Kennedy to the Town Centre.
I am from the 2022. Your predictions are right, but with delay of 1 year or more: Line 5 delayed to 2023 (next year for me), the Line 3 going to be decommissioned and replaced by buses, and no one really speaks about realistic extension of the Line 2.
I loved the video! You have a new subscriber! Could you maybe also do a future of Montreal rapid transit with all of the action happening with the new REM?
He already did
MagnaBad Delta-Thriller they’re updating all their videos
@@RMTransit That sounds awesome I can't wait thanks!
beautiful
I am curious on your thoughts about curving the ON line up from exhibition up to the bloor line through western end of downtown. I feel like this area is well served by street cars but having more direct subway access would be very beneficial.
Looking at your map at 8:00 - here's my wish list for 2040 and beyond:
SHEPPARD LINE converted to LRT and merge with Finch West LRT; extended east to meet with Line 2 Extension in Scarborough and extended west to meet with Line 5 Extension at Pearson Airport /// ONTARIO LINE extended to Brown's Line via Humber Bay in the west, and extend to Sheppard Line 4 in the North/East //// NEW LINE: north-south LRT aligned with Brown's Line, East Mall and Hwy 27 to connect extended Ontario Line, Line 2, Line 5, Pearson Express, GO and Sheppard-Finch LRT in the west-end.
@@DrRestezi Line color for Sheppard LRT (Indigo) and the Finch LRT (Red)
When looking at what's schedule to be finished in 5 to 10 years, one can't help but imagine further. Perhaps before 2040....
1. Either line 4 extended westward to Sheppard west or line 6 extended east ward to Yonge Finch
2. A north south corridor in Etobicoke. Most likely LRT on either Jane, Islington, or Kipling.
3. A north south corridor on the east end. Maybe extend Ontario line to Don Mills station on line 4. Or LRT to do it.
4. Potential extension of Scarborough up to Malvern or a little bit into Markham
5. Either extend line 2 into eastern edge of Missisauaga or maybe having a Missisauaga east west LRT reach Kipling or Islington.
All in all. Very exciting. Hope to see more transit oriented development like what's happening in Metro Vancouver Area
Didn't even see your reply before I posted mine; basically similar thoughts as you.
@GlobalfoodAction You have alot of good points. Tbh the Mississauga Transitway needs to be converted to LRT at some point before 2040, just to relive busses on Rathburn but more over to make the connection from Square One to the Airport Employment Area much quicker(Dundas COULD work too but I feel like that street is more deserving of a BRT and the Transitway of LRT) On that note, a North-South Line in Etobicoke would also be important.
@RoadhogTime13 it's interesting you say that Jane needs an LRT. The original "Transit city" plan had Jane as a LRT line before Rob fordt cancelled it. It's just frustrating that the people that don't even use transit are dictating when and where it should be built. It's just ridiculous how greedy these politicians are.
I actually made a map of the TTC Future subway/LRT system and you described it very well
(What you didn’t describe) I extended the Ontario line north to Langstaff (Richmond Hill) and made a Steels LRT going from Vaughan Metropolitan Center in the west to Steels-DVP (on the Ontario line extension).
Excellent Video. Thank You for creating it, for it is very informative & interesting. Has there been any analysis of the idea of replacing street cars with Battery Electric Busses? It would be clean zero emission transport without the infrastructure of tracks and centenaries. Electric Busses do also have other advantages of flexibility, and maneuverability of conventional busses..
Good video. Our subway system was started in the fifties. In the sixties we planned on subways for Queen, Bloor-Danforth, St. Clair, Eglinton, and Shepard. City council cancelled the Queen Subway in 1972 and ordered the UTDC streetcars we are phasing out now. The St. Clair Subway was reduced to an LRT with limited right-of-way. (plagued with level crossings) There is not much of the original planned subway system in existence. For good reason the provincial government has taken away the subways from city council and will start building to follow more closely the planned system. Toronto is still way way behind on the subways it needs because of short-sighted politicians. Go to a large city like Paris if you want to see a real subway system. Believe it or not the populations are comparable. Paris has 14 REAL subway lines as well as a complete system of Regional Electric high-speed electric trains. We have spent the money but we have almost nothing to show for it and it is now 2019. Queen was supposed to be started in 1972, remember? Tell your politician to concentrate on putting up statues of Lenin and Marx and to keep their nose out of transit if they are planning on cancelling lines rather than building them. The Ontario Line is now an EMERGENCY project thanks to short-sighted politicians. Nothing from 1972 to 2019. Forty seven years of waiting for the Queen line and it is still not even started. Too bad so sad. By the way, Moscow also has a super subway system with statues of Lenin and Marx. The smart communists live in Russia. The challenged ones live in Toronto. We have too many streetcars but not too many subways. Too bad so sad.
Actually a Queen Rapid Transit scheme was first proposed in 1911, for an underground streetcar line underneath Queen St, and for once the city was on board with something. Unfortunately, the province wouldn't give funding, and then World War One happened...so rip that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_Line_(Toronto)#1910%E2%80%931944:_The_underground_streetcar
www.blogto.com/city/2014/03/behind_the_scenes_at_lower_queen_station/
@@nate8892 Really. It took a century to build the Queen line
I live in and love Toronto but not it’s public transit nah! Barcelona is way smaller than Toronto and it’s subway system (metro) it is muuuuch better + streetcar lines too + an amazing regional train network and all of them electrified (Go and UP airport trains use diesel 😡) sorry he said Toronto will have a better system than most places in Europe? Nah 😞
All communists are stupid. The smart Russians you referred to would have been capitalists stuck in a communist hell hole.
Time for a 5 year redux. 😊 Be interesting to compare what’s new - what’s gone - what’s delayed - what’s changed. What’s missing (in your opinion) & what changes should be made to the plans, as well.
Looking at the streetcar plans I am dismayed that there is nothing upgrading the west end at all. Specifically no dedicated right of ways and no extension of the 509 west from Exhibition. It only makes sense to extend it to Dufferin to link up with the Springhurst Loop at the Dufferin Gates, possibly running some trains further, up to Dufferin & Queen, or something.
Also, the lack of BRT plans in Toronto, while not sexy, is a bit sad. There’s Durham & Mississauga - but Toronto given its reliance on buses outside of downtown should definitely have some BRT routes, especially on some of the busy N/S routes (Dufferin, for example, could be like Pie-IX in Montreal, perhaps).
ACK! Toronto has such good rail transit! all we have is a dinky little LRT that has broken doors and inadequate capacity, and its BRAND NEW
Hey, believe me, when the Yonge line goes down at rush hour, people freak out.
Impressive! Might I suggest that when discussing locales and stations, could you maybe have some sort of pointer to draw the viewer's attention to the area in question? I'm not from Toronto, so I have no idea where the places are you reference on the maps. It would clarify things a bit. Even just hovering a mouse cursor over the said area and circling, crude as it is, would be helpful. I'm glad the city's getting so much expansion. That should make getting around much easier. The ridership numbers are impressive, too. I wonder what better bus and tram service might do to that.
We have changed and improved the way we do stuff, this video is fairly old
Any thought about converting Sheppard to an LRT, and connecting Finch West LRT
Love it! Good choice to automate the Ontario Line with hopefully platform screen doors
I wish the same could have been said for the UP Express line Intermediate stations (Albeit Half Height since the station platforms are outside)
Oh and also (include Line Number and Colour for the Ontario Line)
The Ontario line is insufficient because it's not using the same technology as the current subway trains on the TTC. Also they'll be much smaller in size and this will result in packed trains by the time this service opens.. all because Doug Ford wanted this built right away with no concern of how it would properly integrate with the current fleet of trains. Because of this, the Ontario line will have its own train yard resulting in it being the only trains that could go there. His stupid way of thinking has ruined our transit projects and has pushed back some other projects for example the Scarborough extension to McCowan. That now has to wait because they want to add the original 2 stations (Lawrence east and Ellesmere) back to that extension, when it only had one and was about to start construction next year. Now we have to wait another 5 years just to see if the now added stations would work. It's frustrating living in a city like this where politicians have the last say over engineers who actually KNOW what they're doing/talking about.
As happy as I am for the expansions I wish that there were more north and south routes available. If get to the north west side of the city I am screwed
@@RMTransit what?
What about Smart track? What’s going on with that. I hear it’s in the works.
this is absolutely beautiful compared to the LRT here in Edmonton that is 25 years behind.
I hope all plans work it'll be a big relief
In my opinion,these are very2 important lines to be operational by now :
LRT
Jane St
Crosstown
Finch West
Hurontario
Hamilton
Waterfront
Subway
Sheppard +sheppard east extension
Yonge - Uni
Bloor - Danforth
Ontario(dt relief line+don mills line)
BRT
Dundas
Trafalgar
Durham-Scarborough
Steeles Ave
RT
Etobicoke(via hydro corridor)
Scarborough (+northeast extension)
Correction: Line 4 is the second least used rapid transit line (line 3 is the least used rapid transit line), line 4 is the least used subway line.
nevertheless, great video as always.
@@RMTransit Fair point. Surprised you didn't mention lines like Relief Line North, or the Eglinton East extension.
I hope you will do a Future of Rapid Transit, Manila.
8 rail related construction projects (4 new train lines, 3 extensions and 1 rehabilitation projects) are happening in the Greater Manila Area.
I'll consider it!
Are there any estimates for how many new riders would be attracted by a Yonge extension into Richmond Hill? While obviously improved service attracts new customers, based on the number of buses currently traveling down Yonge to connect to Finch stn it seems as if many riders would simply be moving from bus to train which wouldn't really increase Yonge congestion.
@@RMTransit I agree, although there are capacity issues with the peak morning southbound trains from Finch.
Having the subway would spur massive development from Finch to Highway 7 cuz of new speed and convenience... and voila there's your congestion
@@globalfoodaction6748 You don't even have to look far to see the benefits and rapid developments of Vaughn and how that one station into that suburb has sparked a new downtown being built as we speak.
Is the line that is meant to be finished at 2021 almost finished yet?
I've visited Toronto many years ago, can TTC maintenance their facilities clean and fresh smells?
I can still mention the garbage on the track, the smells in the downtown stations.....
But when I was in Toronto, I'd lived in Peel region, it's considering as GTA area, but transportation is far worse than Toronto, only GO connected them all.
Have any further transit plans to keep people move freely between Peel and Toronto?
(I've ride GO many times when I was there, GO is better than TTC, but I thought there should have more services.)
just because it's GTA doesn't mean it's Toronto. you have to be part of the 6 boroughs (Downtown, East York, Etobicoke, North York, Scarborough, and York (not to be confused with York Region)
This made me think about
Thanks for being specific Paige :)
I am still waiting for the updates on the Line 5 Eglinton Crosstown LRT...looks like Eglinton West is still a complete mess when I visited Toronto last year and I know this is a long-term project but results is what I am interested in.
Hmm?
Line 5 western extension should be at grade from Jane to Martin Grove. Line 3 should be spared. Line 4 should still go to Scarborough Centre.
I still don't know why the SRT can't just be replaced with an Eglinton LRT-like line, on the surface, using the same right-of-way.
you need to make the new parts easy to see. When you add something you have to make it easy to spot by flashing or turning red etc.
Most excited for the Ontario line because of the shift in technology and construction method, but what’s really a game changer is the RER. God, I wish rail companies weren’t a nightmare to deal with and we could get RER type service in Montreal 😭
@@RMTransit I think of the S-Bahn in Berlin as something to look up to.
they should extend the sheppard line west to downsview so people going from vaughan or any other station on the new extension dont have to go all the way to eglinton to get on a train to yonge street.
damn we better enjoy the subway now as it is nice and simple
What about the finch west extension to Pearson?
That kinda needs to happen at some point but Ford doesn't want "streets ripped up" so sorry 2nd Largest Employment Zone nothing for you :(
@@nate8892 Ford doesn't realize that in order for the Eglinton west to also extend to Pearson, they would have to build on the surface of the road.. as Eglinton can support the dedicated lanes of an LRT. Parts of the road at certain parts of the city are 6 lane boulevards and it would be stupid for Ford to "rip up the road" just to build it underground like a subway that he loves so much for some stupid reason.
There is a large valley on Sheppard west.
I think the SmartTrack is a brilliant idea using the existing railyard, how this proposal isnt covered?
@@RMTransit Thank you- you mean it is not gonna happen??
@@chenlu6991 Meaning it's almost becoming useless to even think of building it. Metrolinx took over GO and now Smarttrack to basically absorb Smarttrack into what metrolinx was planning all along. Smarttrack started with a projected 22 stations, to a now 6 station project. Even that's not garunteed anymore and everyone has seemed to stop talking about Smarttrack.. if you've noticed. Metrolinx is basically doing the same thing with GO by electrification on some of its lines with Smarttrack stops on some of them. It doesn't make sense to make Smarttrack a thing when GO will do the same thing.. because GO is trying become a local system and not just regional anymore.
I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the keele yard
The question is why it has to take over 10 years for an extension to be completed? I'll probably be driving around the city than to take TTC again.
It's also because this is the biggest transit project in North America right now. It's basically building another full subway system with 25 stops (10 underground) all at the same time. Which is unheard of.
"May be the best transit system in North America"
Montreal Metro: I'm about to end this man's whole career
Montreal is 3 times smaller than Toronto. It is true, Montreal has more lines, but their trains are tiny. And Montreal has no streetcars or light rail. And their busses don't run as often as Toronto. So, yeah... Montreal? Trying to look cute that's all that is lol trying.
It's not 3 times smaller, The trains are not tiny they are very long go do some more research please.
You gotta get goings.
I don’t know why they want to take out Line 3. It’s the same age as the SkyTrain and uses the same Mark 1 style of cars and if those can fit the line, then our Mark 3 cars can fit the Scarborough RT
I’d rather have a fully upgraded Line 3 Scarborough than a Line 2 extension. Vancouver isn’t just taking out the Expo Line which is the same age so I don’t understand why Toronto isn’t doing that
The province should take over all the individual transits in GTA and integrate them into one big GTA Transit and charge riders in portion to the travel distance. Right now, if a couple want to take public transit from say, Mississauga to Markham, they have to pay over $30 for the combined round trip transit fares. A lot more than the gas price for the same trip. The government is not encouraging people to take public transits.
@@RMTransitWith Presto discount, single ride adult fares are:
Mississauga $3.10, TTC $3.10
and Markham/YRT $3.88.
Total: $10.08 per person or $20.16 per couple. Round trip per couple = $40.32.
I don't realize that YRT is so expensive. Probably someone has to pay for those silly gigantic bus shelters on Hwy 7.
why not do one for Greater Toronto area. including all rapid transit. including entire Go transit, suburb BRT system like viva, miway. and drt pulse along with Go Bus route in the GTA or GTHA. as a lot of people commute from outside of Toronto to Toronto. with new presto it eliminate the borders between the city lines anyways
No Scarbrough Malvern LRT? :(
What about Waterfront West LRT? Hopefully it will be built in the future 🤞
I would very much like to see a video regarding this project in the future :)
Adding right-of-way and connecting it to the future Park Lawn GO station, future Ontario Line and Union station will definitely benefit waterfront communities
@@damirhamzic6685 This was suppose to happen (and still is) as far as I'm concerned. It's just that our current government (Doug Ford) doesn't like LRT's and refuses to fund them. This is why he instead funded the Eglinton west extention to the airport to be via underground, when the engineers CLEARLY warned him of how expensive it would be to go underground when Eglinton west has 6 lanes on the surface. It just goes to show you how biased Ford is and how greedy and ignorant he is. He only cares about the everyday driver and not transit. His mind set is stuck in the 80's. It's very sad and frustrating. The lakeshore LRT is still being planned from parklawn to woodbine beach. It just needs funding. It will happen because of all the recent and new developments happening around that area.
I'd rather the Eglinton West line be underground than on there surface but elevated would be preferable
@@RMTransit Really? Well you're in luck because that's what's going to happen anyway. It just bothers me when there's so much room on the surface to do a right of way tram. It only sucks that the speed enforcement in Toronto for some odd reason refuses to give surface transit (streetcar and future LRT) right of way for a smoother faster experience.
Of course, this is a critical line it should definitely be grade separated.
But on both sides of Line 1, it has not reach the malls
@@RMTransit Probably means Vaughn Mills mall at Hwy 400 and Rutherford and Centrepoint Mall at Steeles and Yonge. I think it'll be a long time before line 1 ever gets extended to Vaughn Mills.
If they were to expand line 1 more north of Vaughan metropolitan, I can see 3 stops being added. Vaughan mills, Wonderland and The new hospital on Jane and Major Mac. Maybe in 2040?
Toronto should also work on more separation of trams from automotive traffic and better timed signaling to reduce wait times and speed up travel. Perhaps also extending to the north should be considered, as the city continues to grow. Dedicated transit lanes should also be implemented for the citie's busiest bus routes. I'm actually surprised that Toronto has so far not considered the idea of upgrading their trams into proper tramways. It will probably take a lot of political will to do so.
Oh, man, that's a hugely contentious issue here. The dedicated streetcar lanes on St. Clair took longer than they should have (even though everyone just piled-on with extra utility work; "So long as you have the street dug up, could we just do this one extra little thing?", said everyone), and the NIMBYs in the neighbourhood complained endlessly about it, and still do to this day. Plus the semi-dedicated King Street streetcar corridor; drivers still can't figure out that they need to turn at pretty much every stop light.
Believe me, it's a nightmare trying to build stuff for the common good. Suburban councillors continually scream "there's a war on the car!!!" and scare Torontonians from building proper transit. It kills me that Transit City would've mostly been built by now if Rob Ford hadn't killed it off on the first day he became mayor. Yikes.
That's not true, it would just require inconveniencing drivers
Reduced frequencies can actually be a good thing, because they lessen the scheduling headache while still maintaining a pretty high frequency
Wear a jacket :), every 10 mins is fine
Isnt line 2 a cross town?
@@RMTransit it was called a crosstown so how many crosstowns do we need going EAST TO WEST?
@@alfred5674 I mean....there is alot of people going east to west. If you factor in the Airport, there are much more people entering the city from the west than north.
@@nate8892 okay boomer
You missed the line 2 Keele yard.
the future keeps getting grimmer and grimmer
I have got to brighten it up somehow
as of May 2021, I am so bummed that COVID delays the Crosstown to November 2022. Who else? 3:20
I am in 2022 watching this. None of the "future" projects ready or be ready soon.
Just imagine if Chicago had Toronto's population growth, economy, and low crime. There would surely be tons of momentum to expand and upgrade the L as the traffic would be unbearable. Low crime would mean much more walkability and therefore transit ridership, especially among women and children.
They should’ve done this way before but of course like usual their construction will take 10 more years to complete
First point. Subway line stations are very, very expensive to build. The days of a $40 million box cut station are so long, long, gone. If you want lots of subway line, then financially you need TO LOSE a lot of subway stations. Go trains go about 3 miles between stations, and the subway lines need to do about the same thing; to be faster from less stops, and to cost less. What are buses and streetcars for? To get you from stops every 2 blocks to your subway station !!!! There can't be a subway station every 1 half of a kilometer anymore or every two blocks ! Right ?
Lose the Flemington Park, stop at Thorncrest Village, O'Connor, Pape, interchange with GO Lakeshore East at (Queen ?), King and Yonge, maybe Bay St.? at King (Financial Capital of Canada, and home to herds and herds of hoofing office workers from Union Station),
St. Andrew (King and University), King and Spadina, King and Bathurst, and Exhibition GO. Drop all the other stations ! Only be above ground, maybe, for 2 bridge crossings of the Don Valley at Thorncliffe Park. Maybe; it might be better to stay down, and go under the Don River both times.
Second point. Why run on Queen St ??? Is it a bad habit from our past dreams ? City Hall pales in importance by far to the massive high rise skyscrapers at King and Bay !!! The previously dug out and formed station tunnel for a future Queen line under Osgoode Station hardly rates as an excuse. The King streetcar line is beyond packed, crawls as fast as you can walk oftentimes, and badly needs relief; the Queen line is hardly that stressed. Is there far more current activity, business, commerce, office buildings along King, or Queen? Queen is a run down has been street with goofy shops that often go broke and change names every couple of years. It's moribund. Go with the flow of where people want to be; It's King, not Queen. Now that's pretty obvious, and axiomatic, isn't it ?
Third point. Build it deep; extremely deep. EXTREMELY DEEP. Deep is cheap these days. Build it at least 150 to 200 feet below the surface; way, way below all utilities like sewers, wires, power lines, water mains, most underground rivers and aquifers, delicate building foundations, etc, etc. Remember; 'DEEP IS CHEAP' !! I don't care if it takes forever long elevators, and escalators to get down there. Have many, many more elevators of huge size. That'll cost megabucks, but I'm sure that it'll still be cheaper than moving sewer pipes and suspending them of hooks. Only the vertical tunnels to get to the surface would come near the ground, and that would be at only one of four usual street corners. The between lines interchange transfers would, like a mole, only break the surface as they meet the other rapid transit lines. At these stations, no new at surface constuctions would be built, but would only use the existing rapid transit facilities that already exist there. The only exceptions would be new street car loops that don't currently exist.
Fourth point. At Queen and the GO Lakeshore East line, all streetcars from Broadview, Carlton, Dundas, Queen, King, and Kingston Rd. would congeal together at a new massive streetcar loop, before going back on their ways to where they were heading. For example, Carlton cars would come down Broadview, then east on Queen into the loop, and then backtrack back up to Carlton to continue as before. A streetcar, subway, Lakeshore East and new Harbourfront line nexus in the ONE SPOT !!
Duplicate this goodness on the west side from Exhibition Go with minimal stops to to Dundas West and Bloor Go stations. Yummy !!
How about Queen and Dufferin, and then straight to Dundas West and Bloor exchange station rapido ?
Enough of my rant. Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
Hi Reece! Are you in Twitter jail? What happened to your account?
It irritates me that the ttc has no plan to get better transit in scarborough past mc
Cowan.
Thats false
This is not what your comment said at all, it said that Metrolinx does all the planning - this is false
This is again inaccurate . . . Metrolinx took some projects over that is it
sheppard line was made to fail. I'm glad they're going to make an actual use of it instead of scrap it like they wanted to. now if we can get a subway or dedicated line through parkdale, specifically queen street from strachan to roncy that would be even better.
@@RMTransit not.....yet.
@@RMTransit density is not the issue. Traffic is. if you try to go towards rocny on queen from dufferin you will be in for a world of hurt.
@@simbiant4 I understand traffic is a major concern, but look at the 401 in general, or the DVP or Eglinton or basically any major street. Traffic is a concern, but alot of the times its just poor city planning than lack of high-order transit(Streetcars do exist). On that not tho, I feel like these are the only situations where John Tory's ill-planned Smarttrack would have actually worked. Queen-Dufferin would be a great station to have on the Kitchener line, and if fares are made easier for Toronto commuters, could serve simular subway needs at a much lower cost.
That's what the DRL west was supposed to be made for. It was suppose to relieve the west through Dundas to Queen to Dufferin. Some of these city planners are saying that the west can basically wait because you guys already have streetcar lines, the UP Express and GO lines in that area. What they don't know is that all these lines don't really help and you'd still be stuck in traffic or pay a fare that's only taking you to one other stop when you shouldn't even have to do that.
Politicians have f ed up the TTC system.
Rapid Transit?!? By far one of the slowest transit systems in the world. Europe is by far ahead and always will be!! Btw, Toronto you are the not "world's greatest" to which you proclaim.
Nobody proclaims it and the statement about speed is inaccurate
I just hate the way politics plays a huge role in Toronto when it comes to building new transit. This shouldn't be a problem considering our growing population. If they want ppl to get out of their cars, you need to invest in building new transit.. it's that simple.. and it's common sense. What should've been done 30 years ago, we're now getting for the next 10-15 years. Yet these greedy politicians rather make this beautiful city crumble dangerously before they react. So sad.
Of course the line 4 is the least used and legacy of the late not great Mel Lastman. The stupid little line he created and at the same time killing the Eglinton line that had already been started.
Reece Martin I left Toronto in 2004 and was disgusted with the Toronto subway system. I have since been on many subway systems in Asia and Europe. The best is Taipei. Every city should study their system to learn how it should be done ✅
@@jamesl9371 I don't blame you. Toronto can't claim to be a world class city when our subway lines are 30-40 years behind everyone elses. We've had chances upon chances to build new lines.. but no. What gets in our way? Politicians and their greediness. Because of this, we've been stuck with the same lines meanwhile the population and infrastructure has grown to the point where it can't support our population at times and it's becoming a danger when these lines are at capacity. Smaller cities like Calgary and Edmonton are expanding transit lines like there's no tomorrow. I also hate the fact that when everyone finally agrees on something, a newly elected politician will come in and rip up previous transit plans before them and try and create they're own which results in time/money/years wasted on trying to decide what they THINK they know what's best for the city.
Also line 4 was only built because of ppl crying for transit on that side of North York. 17 years later and the subway is still underused but has now FINALLY found a purpose because of new condo buildings being built around their stations. Other then that, they were planning on extending the line to connect STC through a new Sheppard east LRT (which would've been done back in 2016) but now nobody knows if that's even happening now thanks to Doug Ford and his stupid subway addiction.
Nana Okyere I’m a baby boomer who left Toronto 15 years ago after living there most of my life. When I was a kid you bought tickets or tokens and got an old fashioned transfer from the driver or machine. 50 years later it was still the same. And another one of my pet peeves was the lack of washrooms. I think the whole system had washrooms in three stations. And they were disgusting. If you like subways check out Taipei. Lovely clean washrooms in EVERY station. The whole system is automated and uses smart cards. It’s easier and more pleasant to get around Taipei IN ENGLISH than to use the TTC. There’s so many things that are better about their system that I cannot even list them here
@@jamesl9371 It's so sad when a so called 3rd world country can come with better transit than a developed city. We have nothing to show for our transit and now ppl are starting to realize this as they come and visit from their own countries. We could've been the second largest transit in North America behind New York with expanded lines in our time. Now that won't happen thanks to stupid delays and politicians playing games and being greedy. Now that city is making transit for the next generation because ours didn't see anything new except for the Eglinton LRT which should've been done a decade ago. The amount of problems that new line went through just to get the greenlight to be built is insane and sad. It just shows how much these politicians don't like transit and rather have more drivers with more highways.
I though Toronto street car fleet after upgrade was looking cool. Up untill I saw this: ua-cam.com/video/mLW7hNE1Rck/v-deo.html
Now TTC Street car fleet looks outdated after just a few years of upgrade completion. But this is ok in comparison with Canadian stone age rail system lagging centuries behind China and even Europe.
I live in Toronto and line 5 is just a street car line pretending to be apart of the subway
It's more of a light rail, not a streetcar.
Gerrard station? and Leslie stations are stupid Toronto ideas and are encountering resistance.
I'm moving away from your station if just because you don't know how to say "route" properly.
everyone watching this will be dead and gone by the time Toronto's transit is anywhere near good.
You are not from TORONTO.
Hmm?
Can't pronounce route... fake Canadian?
Lived here my whole life so…
@@RMTransit I was mostly joking, but do you use the American pronounciation. Maybe you learned it from American videos? Here and the rest of the world it's supposed to sound like root and not like rout. We have a funny exception though, not found anywhere else. For the bit of tech called a router that runs the wifi, we use the USA way to say it. ... But then when it routes packages we use our normal way to say it.
Anyhow this chat boosts engagement on your channel/video and helps you grow. :)