It bothers me so much that 2 billion is considered too much for SkyTrain to Langley. I just moved to Melbourne where they're spending up to $100 billion for an outer suburb rail loop on top of another line that's $10 billion on its own. Vancouver should have more than enough money to build to Abbotsford, West Van, Tsawassen and UBC.
we just need more young people in government at all level that take transit funding seriously there is more than enough money there they just dont want to pay for it skytrain is just as important as any other transit infrastructure like road/ highways we need a change these skytrain extensions they are talking about are way behind schedule there were plans decades ago to have skytrain cover most of metro vancouver and they still dont want to build it been like 30 plus years its very sad
Whilst I agree that the should be able to build out to places like Tsawassen and Abbotsford, it would take roughly 2 hours to get from Abbotsford to Downtown and I think that perhaps an extension of the WCE or express services on top of a SkyTrain Abbotsford extension and/or a Tsawassen extension would be much needed to make the journey time worth while. We don’t want the train trip to take twice as long as the drive.
@@jocobibradshaw4950 One of the reason why it is hard to build transit out there is because a gas tax has to be implement in order to afford it. I don't think the drivers in the valley will not be happy with it.
@@slam5 Nah, Personally they're begging for transit. It's just that Vancouver doesn't want to give funds to anything south of the fraser. Abbortsford's been trying to get lrt or a train to downtown or Surrey. Vancouver keeps shutting them down.
A PoCo extension is so lowkey and not talked about compared to bigger projects. But it would greatly to revitalize the urban core of PoCo. I swear, one day people are just gonna see it completed in like 2 years, no announcement from Translink, just an offhand comment, “yeah it goes to Port Coquitlam now, I didnt notice the construction but it’s done”
Yeah, Port Coquitlam kind of feels out of the way compared to the Tri-Cities area because the SkyTrain doesn't go there. You have to take a bus or a 40 minute walk to get anywhere. I would like to see the Millennium Line extended there, given that Coquitlam Central station actually has a track stub pointing in that direction for whenever they want to do it.
@@disneyplay4 no such thing as small city when greater Vancouver is essentially a narrow valley with the sea, mountains, and an international border squeezing growth in.
Great video, before I watched this video I knew very little about Public transit in Vancouver. It is soooo different from Toronto's transit and other systems that are near my city. I knew about the skytrain from before but I didn't know that Vancouver didn't have any subways
If by Subway you mean... running underground... it has a subway. The SkyTrain... has run underground in sections throughout the city since it was built in the 80s.
Thanks so much for the video! Fellow Transit Nerd here. Have lived in Vancouver since 2008! I'm messaging from 2023, everything you predicted is looking on-track! Langley connection, broadway skytrain coming along quickly, both canada line stations! Well done! My favorite has to be the gondola, when i went to SFU in 2009 it was all anyone could talk about. Over a decade of "maybe soon" makes me think it's vaporware. I hadn't seen the train under burrard inlet before!
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue Residents and businesses west of Arbutus St. shouldn't need - or even want - to protest the Millenium Line extension west of Arbutus St., *_*IF*_* the extension was built underground as *_*bored*_*_ _*_tunnels_* instead of cut-and-cover tunnels [at least between Arbutus St. and Blanca St.; tunnels aren't even necessary west of Blanca St. - because hardly anybody lives west of Blanca St. (for the most part) as there's forest, golf course lands (concrete walls could be installed in the golf course lands along University Blvd. to keep out noise from both automobile traffic and the SkyTrain trains) and parkland west of Blanca St. that's south of Chancellor Blvd./8th Ave. W.].
First, the original mass transit is the interurban transit; Skytrain finally replaced it in 1986. SeaBus was independent and integrate to the Vancouver Regional System later in the early 80s with transit in CIty of Surrey in the late 70s. West Van Blue Bus is under Translink contract as they run as a contractor due to city want to run its own bus line.
Seems like the Arbutus line extending into downtown in a tunnel, perhaps under Burrard to Hastings, and then eastward under Hastings past Gastown to a surface extension beyond there to SFU might be a worthwhile consideration. Make it all one line via a subway under downtown.
this is such a high quality video... thanks so much! a few questions, if I may 1. in my city (Seoul) a lot of urban rail extension is limited by depot location, because no neighbourhood wants to host it and having a depot in the middle of a line has capacity issues. how is the depot situation in Vancouver? 2. is south delta (Ladner, tsawwassen) not being considered for brt? it seems perfect as stops are far in between, but hwy 99 gets very congested. 3. does the current bus line between horseshoe Bay and Northvan via Westvan not get a lot of demand? this one also looks prime for a higher level system.
To answer 3, the north shore badly needs a SkyTrain across the inlet but not so much to west van which is full of senior citizen nimbys. The seabus is not fast enough and doesn't connect well to buses so even if you live close to it it can take 45 mins to get downtown. Much longer if you take a bus to the seabus
Tram down arbutus corridor could be extended along the rail right of way along the Fraser river south of marine way all the way to new Westminster or beyond
I had no idea the Arbutus LRT could be real! I did make a fantasy map of the area with that, and that would be an interesting addition. I love the 351 Bridgeport-Crescent Beach bus that runs on the 99 Highway. It's a nice shortcut for South Surrey/White Rock residents to get to Vancouver. I'd honestly consider that as rapid transit since it uses a dedicated bus lane for most parts of the highway.
Rapid bus, yes... but it doesn't have the capacity, imho, to be considered rapid transit. Buses CAN be considered rapid transit, though. Bogota has a rapid bus transportation network that runs on its own lanes. I think the 351 is a GREAT idea and works well for the corridor, but it's one-rung below what I would personally consider RT.
I don’t think Vancouver needs more lines in the downtown region as, the densest parts I assume you’re referring to are already covered. Plus, the Dunsmuir Tunnel in which the Expo Line runs through was previously a freight tunnel of sorts and, tunnelling trough downtown cores aren’t “cheap” from what I’ve gathered.
The densest area is VERY walkable... and people tend not to use transit that much to get around. The Skytrain does bring commuters in and serves the CBD well. the West End of the downtown is mostly residential. Although something like a Hastings Line that went East-West to connect Stanley Park with the East part of the city would be nice, it's a lower priority than corridors like Broadway.
I had no idea that Vancouver had such high population density. Its population density is two times larger than Prague. For such a dense city, I feel like Vancouver could use a lot more train or tram lines. But I’m just an outsider idk.
Rewatched this today. In 2018 TransLink has filed a trademark name SkyBus and noted it will be used for rapid transit. The trademark was approved 2020 and valid until 2030. So I assume the plan is to name the gondola line as the SkyBus. It fits well with SkyTrain and SeaBus. Broadway subway to Arbutus and Langley skyTrain extension are both under construction.
With all the development in south Surrey I would be interested in seeing what the latest plans are to serve those communities. With high speed rail to Seattle a possibility then it might be a matter of leveraging that track for transit options.
It’s always bothered me how the Expo line is close, but not that close to Kingsway. I know they built it that way to reduce disruption, but I wonder if they would ever consider adding some sort of tram/streetcar system down it, connecting with the Expo line at Metrotown or something. Considering it’s commercial district of the East side of Vancouver, not that different from Eglinton in Toronto, it would help to remove a lot of car congestion on the already very busy street.
Maybe but people probably aren't going to want massive development in Steveston as part of its charm is the quaint village feel of it. Its population density will probably always be limited. The future is probably just increasing bus service for now, with maybe more bus infrastructure and electrification. Possibly a tram way into the future.
@@BC_Geoff Well based on how the transition between the dual and single track guideways are designed and placed (if you check out the guideway from below on street level (the single track guideway is centered with the dual track guideway)), and how Richmond-Brighouse station is designed, it could be possible to rebuild the terminus station and single track guideway into a dual-track guideway without changing the route (not even the slightest deviation from current route). Richmond-Brighouse station would be built higher than today with a second platform and a public overpass connecting both sides of No 3 Rd and adjacent properties. Some columns would be built higher than today in order for the dual track guideway to fit along the existing route. Station entrance would be on the overpass instead of street level as with the current station.
North Shore Skytrain please. Traffic is over capacity on the North Shore and rush hour is always hell. I'd actually love it if there were 2 branches of skytrain on the north shore connecting with the Millenium Line in Burnaby: -One along Marine Drive from Phibs exchange to Dunderave with stops at Park and Tilford, Lonsdale Quay, Capilano Mall, Capilano Road, Park Royal, and Ambleside -One along Lonsdale Ave from Lonsdale Quay to Lynn Valley Centre with stops throughout Downtown North Vancouver and Lynn Valley. Also: -A Deep Cove to Phibs Exchange LRT or BRT that travels along the Mount Seymour Parkway -A Phibs Exchange to Capilano University gondola
@RMTransit They had to tunnel through the side of Burnaby mountain in Port Moody cause the grade was too high. From what I’ve seen the grades are much steeper in North Van but you might be right. I’m no expert.
You said that Columbia and Scott Road opened in 1989 but that’s incorrect. The extension to Columbia opened in 1989, but the Scott Road extension wasn’t built and open until 1990. Good job on this video though.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this until I saw your comment, here! The Scott Road Station and the extension of SkyTrain into Surrey - including the SkyTrain Bridge - opened in March of 1990.
@Jason S Eventually I see the line extended into Ladner and Tsawwassen but not for awhile until more development ensues but who knows, with only 40,000+ people its not enough to warrant expansion but I do take the ferry bi-monthly and ridership on the 620 packs those buses especially during spring and summer and is ever increasing but I agree on no line to the ferry.
Oh my God, I live in Vic too, and I can't believe the CRD isn't even entertaining the idea of constructing light rail or skytrain from Langford to downtown. It boggles my mind.
Running a rapid transit line through open plains to Tsawassen ferry terminal doesn't make a lot of sense. Ferries run hourly... and Rapid highway buses are both more comfortable and convenient. It will be extended to White Rock before it gets anywhere NEAR Tsawassen.
@@es3359 Hi Ethan...it just seems that every time a Vancouver councillor sneezes they get a new LRT line. Meanwhile we get a double bike way...once you reach a certain age a bicycle is less of an option!
@Jimbo Bogie The Canada Line has a much, *_much, MUCH_* better chance of being extended to the North Shore (via under Burrard Inlet in a pair of tunnels) than from Downtown Richmond all the way to the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal, although it *_could_* be extended deeper into Richmond (i.e. all the way to Steveston). *_However,_* I *_*do*_* agree with you that the Capital Regional District (Greater Victoria) deserves some rapid transit love: a rapid transit line from Downtown Victoria to Saanich and one from Esquimalt to Oak Bay - through Downtown Victoria - make sense there!
I don't know how you didn't include the single two MOST important aspects of the system. 1) It's one of the longest fully-automated systems in the world, having 90 second frequencies 2) It uses Linear Induction Motors to propel two of the three lines, allowing smaller tunnels, lower trainsets, and less maintenance.
Really hope translink takes a good look at a street car / LRT proposals along the false creek horseshoe. That will eliminate a lot of vehicles heading in and out the peninsula.
UBC Skytrain line needs to happen from commercial broadway... ugh im a student rn and it would be so convenient... I guess I will not see that in my time at UBC...
While we wait for the second wave...and knowing how the coffers are now drained...i don't think there will be any extensions for the foreseeable future. #F-Covid!
@@vapourtrail7194 We're on our *_*4TH*_*_ _*_WAVE_* now - laughing out loud here (not really; it's sarcasm) - because *_some_* people are absolutely refusing to take the proverbial jab! 🤧😷💉😒😒😒🙄🙄🙄🥱🥱🥱😑😑😑😫😫😫🤧😷💉
Two main lines people hardly talk about but needed from population perspective. Connecting Canada line to Expo line from Metro as it is stupid that no direct line for people to go from Burnaby/New West and even Coquitlam coming via Lougheed to Richmond and Van West. Second is extending from Lougheed to Guildford and connect through Langley. 200st along Langley/Surrey has one of the largest developments done recent years as population growth is insanely high. Currently they are surviving with one rapid bus connection but majority still drive over Port Mann. Need to plan based on where the demand will be in next 10 years not what is needed today....
Bruh you clearly have never read anything that transit posts in reguards to future requirements/line. All of the current network has been planned since the early 80s. Here's some 'light' reading to help you catch up www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/regional_transportation_strategy/Transport-2040/Transport-2040.pdf
The Canada line should have continued down Davie St........... across Denman Street and up Robson Street - creating a circle line in the very very very dense West End, Yaletown and Downtown!!!!
I think the Expo line is needed to be updated before any other routes are added on it. If the transportation bureau have enough money to invest, some Rapid bus systems can be changed into underground rail lines because roads in the downtown area are so narrow, too many buses may cause traffic jam.
Housing prices are driving people further away from their jobs. So yes, the WCE will need to be extended to Hope unless the COV stop its insane woke spending spree on useless feel good nothingness & allow much higher density. The COS is no better at throwing away money either TBH!
@@Slevin-Kelevra Nah... won't happen. Doesn't need to happen. And over time, jobs will migrate away from the core anyhow, so no need for the WCE to Hope.
I don't understand why they're pouring money into the Surrey skytrain extension when they could do light rail. The space underneath isn't going to be used. A better option: build near grade, but create plenty of underpasses for major roads and cycleways. This is what the Netherlands does.
Well considering that UBC has been around over 100 years and the Point Grey campus has been around for almost 100 years, and SFU has existed on Burnaby Mountain since 1965, I don’t think much thought was given to a rapid transit connection at that time. I guess building two universities at high elevation in the middle of, at that time, forested areas, doesn’t bode well for a 1980s decision for a rapid transit system. That being said, both UBC and SFU do have campuses that are in fact close to the SkyTrain Expo Line.
For the Arbutus corridor, rather see a streetcar/tram-like electric BRT (preferable using bi-articulated buses; optical guidance optional) similar to these (ua-cam.com/video/YOe1zHOKtIU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/3WEBei8G-O4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/4emjmsqV8K0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wbg6IdH908M/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/pJMyi8f8buI/v-deo.html ) instead of LRT with the busway shared with cyclists (to eliminate hazards posed to cyclists (e.g. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/streetcar-tracks-cyclists-1.3696234 ) at least on some segments and to provide greater flexibility for the bus to go around obstacles where a streetcar/tram have difficulty in (e.g. BRT rerouted through a residential road to avoid a block party)). Stations don't have to be LRT-style but streetcar/tram shelter style or even minimal bus stop style is enough.
@@RMTransit Well to clarify, the BRT I'm thinking of isn't using the same busway widths as Viva, Missisauga Transitway, and other proper BRTs. I'm talking more about B-Line or RapidBus having characteristics of streetcar/tram yet retain the flexibility of bus. The electric bus would look more like a streetcar/tram and busways can be just one lane wide similar to a single track streetcar/tram segment along a corridor. If we use a recent route proposal for the Arbutus corridor, between Broadway and 16th Ave, northbound buses would go along Arbutus St either merged with traffic or in a bus lane with bikes permitted on the busway. Southbound buses would go along the corridor with stops on the east side of the busway. The southbound busway would be one lane like a streetcar/tram track being only one track along the narrow corridor. Optical guidance similar to the ones used in Castellon, Zhuzhou, Yibin, and #Qatar (currently under trial) can be used for either only the narrow segments between 16th Ave and Broadway or the entire route. Also the route between King Edward and 37th Ave could instead be more direct by having the route go along Arbutus St for this segment where the 16 trolleybus travels instead of going on a longer detour. #tracklesstrains #ArbutusCorridor
@Ce Guo That won't happen until *_AT LEAST_* maybe 3000 A.D. (and that is a *_big, fat_*_ _*_*MAYBE:*_* it might not happen *_even then!)_* - laughing out loud here!!
I’d love to see a connection from Richmond to surrey. Right now, it’s impractical to get from Richmond to surrey or vice versa because you have to go downtown and then transfer. Make the system a loop between Vancouver, burnaby, surrey, and Richmond.
I wish they would run an express bus from Surrey Central to Richmond. Yes, the 301 does it already, but getting to Newton isn't the easiest for some areas in Surrey and Langley.
While I agree that it's difficult to get between these two places... there isn't even really that many BUSES that make the journey... so I wonder if there's enough ridership to make it worthwhile. The problem with Surrey to Richmond is that Surrey is HUGE... and lots of people live where transit ISN'T. To be honest your BEST bet for an easy ride to Richmond is going to be through New West and a proposed new DMU line from New West to Marine Drive Station.
It will be interesting to see if, after the dramatic drop in air travel due to Covid-19, the YVR international terminal extension will go ahead as planned. One thing that seriously bugs me about Vancouver’s rapid transit system is the small size of the trains, particularly on the Canada Line. The Canada Line was built as a public private partnership and the provincial government overseeing the project seemed more concerned with maximizing the private partners’ profit potential rather than ensuring they constructed a high quality rapid transit line. The project was notorious for cutting corners to “save” money on construction costs, e.g. trains have to slow down to a crawl at several curves because the tracks weren’t sufficiently banked to allow normal speeds. Unlike the Expo and Millennium lines the rolling stock is full-sized but the two-car trains and the short station platforms, which cannot be easily expanded, are going to be a serious future liability. The line (pre-Covid) is already very crowded during normal operations. Vancouver’s transit system has improved over the years but compared to other cities in Canada and around the world of a similar, or in some cases smaller, size it’s an inconsistent hodgepodge of miniature stations and tiny trains. The signage used to be really confusing and counterintuitive, particularly for non-English speakers, but this has improved recently. Getting rid of that crazy Expo/Millennium Line loop helped too. Some of the expanded transfer stations are awkwardly designed (e.g. Broadway and Commercial, the busiest Canadian transit hub east of Toronto) with bottlenecks and poor passenger flow through. As mentioned, the Canada Line is crowded during normal operations and on the Expo Line during morning and afternoon rush hours (pre-Covid of course) trains are jam packed and it’s normal to have to let one or two trains go by before being able to board. And this is with trains arriving every 90 to 120 seconds. It’s a clean, quiet and reliable system but expanding its capacity to meet increased ridership demands as the city and region grow will be difficult.
Would anyone mind explaining why the Millennium line to UBC will be built as a subway instead of being elevated? It appeared to me that Broadway would have plenty of space for elevated tracks.
After Arbutus there is a CHANCe that some parts of it will be elevated, but keep in mind that there isn't that much room East of Arbutus on Broadway. It's a narrower street than you imagine.
It bothers me so much that 2 billion is considered too much for SkyTrain to Langley. I just moved to Melbourne where they're spending up to $100 billion for an outer suburb rail loop on top of another line that's $10 billion on its own. Vancouver should have more than enough money to build to Abbotsford, West Van, Tsawassen and UBC.
It would be really great if they made those improvements especially having a skytrain all the way into Abbotsford
we just need more young people in government at all level that take transit funding seriously there is more than enough money there they just dont want to pay for it skytrain is just as important as any other transit infrastructure like road/ highways we need a change these skytrain extensions they are talking about are way behind schedule there were plans decades ago to have skytrain cover most of metro vancouver and they still dont want to build it been like 30 plus years its very sad
Whilst I agree that the should be able to build out to places like Tsawassen and Abbotsford, it would take roughly 2 hours to get from Abbotsford to Downtown and I think that perhaps an extension of the WCE or express services on top of a SkyTrain Abbotsford extension and/or a Tsawassen extension would be much needed to make the journey time worth while. We don’t want the train trip to take twice as long as the drive.
@@jocobibradshaw4950 One of the reason why it is hard to build transit out there is because a gas tax has to be implement in order to afford it. I don't think the drivers in the valley will not be happy with it.
@@slam5 Nah, Personally they're begging for transit. It's just that Vancouver doesn't want to give funds to anything south of the fraser. Abbortsford's been trying to get lrt or a train to downtown or Surrey.
Vancouver keeps shutting them down.
A PoCo extension is so lowkey and not talked about compared to bigger projects. But it would greatly to revitalize the urban core of PoCo. I swear, one day people are just gonna see it completed in like 2 years, no announcement from Translink, just an offhand comment, “yeah it goes to Port Coquitlam now, I didnt notice the construction but it’s done”
Yeah, Port Coquitlam kind of feels out of the way compared to the Tri-Cities area because the SkyTrain doesn't go there. You have to take a bus or a 40 minute walk to get anywhere. I would like to see the Millennium Line extended there, given that Coquitlam Central station actually has a track stub pointing in that direction for whenever they want to do it.
I wish the Millennium Line got extended all the way to Haney Place and Expo Line to Newton Centre
Just kidding Expo Line to Fleetwood
I think that if they do that, Maple Ridge will lose its small city charm, if there's any left.
@@disneyplay4 no such thing as small city when greater Vancouver is essentially a narrow valley with the sea, mountains, and an international border squeezing growth in.
Great video, before I watched this video I knew very little about Public transit in Vancouver. It is soooo different from Toronto's transit and other systems that are near my city. I knew about the skytrain from before but I didn't know that Vancouver didn't have any subways
Well I mean arguably a lot of the Canada Line is a subway
@@RMTransit I would say the Skytrain system as a whole is a "subway" system. It's pretty hefty now.
If by Subway you mean... running underground... it has a subway. The SkyTrain... has run underground in sections throughout the city since it was built in the 80s.
@@RMTransit I wouldn't even say it's arguable. MOST of the Canada line is underground.
Awesome vid. The Montreal vid (1-2 years ago?) is what got me hooked originally.
They should do a new video update with the all latest CAQ gov't proposals
Thanks so much for the video!
Fellow Transit Nerd here. Have lived in Vancouver since 2008!
I'm messaging from 2023, everything you predicted is looking on-track! Langley connection, broadway skytrain coming along quickly, both canada line stations!
Well done!
My favorite has to be the gondola, when i went to SFU in 2009 it was all anyone could talk about. Over a decade of "maybe soon" makes me think it's vaporware.
I hadn't seen the train under burrard inlet before!
Great video, I made one on the same topic a few years ago...turns out we had a lot of the same ideas for the not-yet-approved lines in the future!
Great video, I really hope they approve that poco extension soon and continue it all the way out to maple ridge, so many people out there.
The UBC line should be built all the way in one phase!!!
We'd still be fighting protests from those West of Arbutus. Built it to Arbutus and then let the residents in that area beg for more extensions.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue Residents and businesses west of Arbutus St. shouldn't need - or even want - to protest the Millenium Line extension west of Arbutus St., *_*IF*_* the extension was built underground as *_*bored*_*_ _*_tunnels_* instead of cut-and-cover tunnels [at least between Arbutus St. and Blanca St.; tunnels aren't even necessary west of Blanca St. - because hardly anybody lives west of Blanca St. (for the most part) as there's forest, golf course lands (concrete walls could be installed in the golf course lands along University Blvd. to keep out noise from both automobile traffic and the SkyTrain trains) and parkland west of Blanca St. that's south of Chancellor Blvd./8th Ave. W.].
fantastic vid ty for the info
This is going to be wild!!😉
First, the original mass transit is the interurban transit; Skytrain finally replaced it in 1986. SeaBus was independent and integrate to the Vancouver Regional System later in the early 80s with transit in CIty of Surrey in the late 70s. West Van Blue Bus is under Translink contract as they run as a contractor due to city want to run its own bus line.
The Arbutus LRT will likely continue into DT in some form or another, or at least South False Creek.
Seems like the Arbutus line extending into downtown in a tunnel, perhaps under Burrard to Hastings, and then eastward under Hastings past Gastown to a surface extension beyond there to SFU might be a worthwhile consideration. Make it all one line via a subway under downtown.
@@ohioweatherguy Or looping around past Granville Island and the Olympic Village like the old Downtown Historic Railway.
I would like to see the Arbutus line used right from False Creek to Bridgeport. It would be perfect..
@@RMTransit But the Arbutus Line already goes there. It's the route the interurbans took into Richmond.
@@MelAtkey Marine Drive is also an old Interurban ROW.
this is such a high quality video... thanks so much! a few questions, if I may
1. in my city (Seoul) a lot of urban rail extension is limited by depot location, because no neighbourhood wants to host it and having a depot in the middle of a line has capacity issues. how is the depot situation in Vancouver?
2. is south delta (Ladner, tsawwassen) not being considered for brt? it seems perfect as stops are far in between, but hwy 99 gets very congested.
3. does the current bus line between horseshoe Bay and Northvan via Westvan not get a lot of demand? this one also looks prime for a higher level system.
To answer 3, the north shore badly needs a SkyTrain across the inlet but not so much to west van which is full of senior citizen nimbys. The seabus is not fast enough and doesn't connect well to buses so even if you live close to it it can take 45 mins to get downtown. Much longer if you take a bus to the seabus
Tram down arbutus corridor could be extended along the rail right of way along the Fraser river south of marine way all the way to new Westminster or beyond
I had no idea the Arbutus LRT could be real! I did make a fantasy map of the area with that, and that would be an interesting addition.
I love the 351 Bridgeport-Crescent Beach bus that runs on the 99 Highway. It's a nice shortcut for South Surrey/White Rock residents to get to Vancouver. I'd honestly consider that as rapid transit since it uses a dedicated bus lane for most parts of the highway.
Rapid bus, yes... but it doesn't have the capacity, imho, to be considered rapid transit. Buses CAN be considered rapid transit, though. Bogota has a rapid bus transportation network that runs on its own lanes.
I think the 351 is a GREAT idea and works well for the corridor, but it's one-rung below what I would personally consider RT.
why doesnt vancouver build more underground lines in the downtown area? The densest parts of the city have such poor coverage.
I don’t think Vancouver needs more lines in the downtown region as, the densest parts I assume you’re referring to are already covered. Plus, the Dunsmuir Tunnel in which the Expo Line runs through was previously a freight tunnel of sorts and, tunnelling trough downtown cores aren’t “cheap” from what I’ve gathered.
Downtown is only like 1 square kilometer. It's terrible value to build anything new there
The densest area is VERY walkable... and people tend not to use transit that much to get around. The Skytrain does bring commuters in and serves the CBD well. the West End of the downtown is mostly residential. Although something like a Hastings Line that went East-West to connect Stanley Park with the East part of the city would be nice, it's a lower priority than corridors like Broadway.
I had no idea that Vancouver had such high population density. Its population density is two times larger than Prague. For such a dense city, I feel like Vancouver could use a lot more train or tram lines. But I’m just an outsider idk.
Just curious Where's Prague located?
Rewatched this today. In 2018 TransLink has filed a trademark name SkyBus and noted it will be used for rapid transit. The trademark was approved 2020 and valid until 2030. So I assume the plan is to name the gondola line as the SkyBus. It fits well with SkyTrain and SeaBus.
Broadway subway to Arbutus and Langley skyTrain extension are both under construction.
With all the development in south Surrey I would be interested in seeing what the latest plans are to serve those communities. With high speed rail to Seattle a possibility then it might be a matter of leveraging that track for transit options.
It’s always bothered me how the Expo line is close, but not that close to Kingsway. I know they built it that way to reduce disruption, but I wonder if they would ever consider adding some sort of tram/streetcar system down it, connecting with the Expo line at Metrotown or something. Considering it’s commercial district of the East side of Vancouver, not that different from Eglinton in Toronto, it would help to remove a lot of car congestion on the already very busy street.
I ride this daily. Never failed me yet and on time too.
kinda funny how north shore / west van is just left out
It's really mountainish.
Canada Line should have extend to Stevenson
Thanks to the City of Richmond, it likely won’t happen due to the single track in Richmond
Maybe but people probably aren't going to want massive development in Steveston as part of its charm is the quaint village feel of it. Its population density will probably always be limited.
The future is probably just increasing bus service for now, with maybe more bus infrastructure and electrification. Possibly a tram way into the future.
@@BC_Geoff Well based on how the transition between the dual and single track guideways are designed and placed (if you check out the guideway from below on street level (the single track guideway is centered with the dual track guideway)), and how Richmond-Brighouse station is designed, it could be possible to rebuild the terminus station and single track guideway into a dual-track guideway without changing the route (not even the slightest deviation from current route). Richmond-Brighouse station would be built higher than today with a second platform and a public overpass connecting both sides of No 3 Rd and adjacent properties. Some columns would be built higher than today in order for the dual track guideway to fit along the existing route. Station entrance would be on the overpass instead of street level as with the current station.
I think it makes more sense to revive the old track on Railway Ave into a new tram line
Hmm looks like there is a very big transport gap or rather fantasy gap at Richmond. Is the ridership too low to justify rapid rail too?
North Shore Skytrain please. Traffic is over capacity on the North Shore and rush hour is always hell. I'd actually love it if there were 2 branches of skytrain on the north shore connecting with the Millenium Line in Burnaby:
-One along Marine Drive from Phibs exchange to Dunderave with stops at Park and Tilford, Lonsdale Quay, Capilano Mall, Capilano Road, Park Royal, and Ambleside
-One along Lonsdale Ave from Lonsdale Quay to Lynn Valley Centre with stops throughout Downtown North Vancouver and Lynn Valley.
Also:
-A Deep Cove to Phibs Exchange LRT or BRT that travels along the Mount Seymour Parkway
-A Phibs Exchange to Capilano University gondola
Good luck. Trains can't climb mountains
Skytrains can haha
@@RMTransit Linear induction motors ftw. Most steel on steel railways cannot climb more than a 4% gradient.
Yes, LM can do ~6%
@RMTransit They had to tunnel through the side of Burnaby mountain in Port Moody cause the grade was too high. From what I’ve seen the grades are much steeper in North Van but you might be right. I’m no expert.
You said that Columbia and Scott Road opened in 1989 but that’s incorrect. The extension to Columbia opened in 1989, but the Scott Road extension wasn’t built and open until 1990. Good job on this video though.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this until I saw your comment, here! The Scott Road Station and the extension of SkyTrain into Surrey - including the SkyTrain Bridge - opened in March of 1990.
It would be nice to get something over here in Victoria!😡
Or at least extend the Canada line to the ferry terminal.
@Jason S Eventually I see the line extended into Ladner and Tsawwassen but not for awhile until more development ensues but who knows, with only 40,000+ people its not enough to warrant expansion but I do take the ferry bi-monthly and ridership on the 620 packs those buses especially during spring and summer and is ever increasing but I agree on no line to the ferry.
Oh my God, I live in Vic too, and I can't believe the CRD isn't even entertaining the idea of constructing light rail or skytrain from Langford to downtown. It boggles my mind.
Running a rapid transit line through open plains to Tsawassen ferry terminal doesn't make a lot of sense. Ferries run hourly... and Rapid highway buses are both more comfortable and convenient. It will be extended to White Rock before it gets anywhere NEAR Tsawassen.
@@es3359 Hi Ethan...it just seems that every time a Vancouver councillor sneezes they get a new LRT line.
Meanwhile we get a double bike way...once you reach a certain age a bicycle is less of an option!
@Jimbo Bogie
The Canada Line has a much, *_much, MUCH_* better chance of being extended to the North Shore (via under Burrard Inlet in a pair of tunnels) than from Downtown Richmond all the way to the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal, although it *_could_* be extended deeper into Richmond (i.e. all the way to Steveston). *_However,_* I *_*do*_* agree with you that the Capital Regional District (Greater Victoria) deserves some rapid transit love: a rapid transit line from Downtown Victoria to Saanich and one from Esquimalt to Oak Bay - through Downtown Victoria - make sense there!
I don't know how you didn't include the single two MOST important aspects of the system.
1) It's one of the longest fully-automated systems in the world, having 90 second frequencies
2) It uses Linear Induction Motors to propel two of the three lines, allowing smaller tunnels, lower trainsets, and less maintenance.
It's quite remarklable that it's capable of 75-second headways in the future.
@@bryan89wr currently runs 75s headway’s during the rushes
Really hope translink takes a good look at a street car / LRT proposals along the false creek horseshoe. That will eliminate a lot of vehicles heading in and out the peninsula.
UBC Skytrain line needs to happen from commercial broadway... ugh im a student rn and it would be so convenient... I guess I will not see that in my time at UBC...
While we wait for the second wave...and knowing how the coffers are now drained...i don't think there will be any extensions for the foreseeable future. #F-Covid!
@@vapourtrail7194 We're on our *_*4TH*_*_ _*_WAVE_* now - laughing out loud here (not really; it's sarcasm) - because *_some_* people are absolutely refusing to take the proverbial jab! 🤧😷💉😒😒😒🙄🙄🙄🥱🥱🥱😑😑😑😫😫😫🤧😷💉
everyone always talks bad about the millennium lines loop before the new extension it was really not a big deal at all it worked out just fine
Sad south surrey noises
say it 10 times fast
I take the sky train to my work at Brentwood center
Two main lines people hardly talk about but needed from population perspective. Connecting Canada line to Expo line from Metro as it is stupid that no direct line for people to go from Burnaby/New West and even Coquitlam coming via Lougheed to Richmond and Van West. Second is extending from Lougheed to Guildford and connect through Langley. 200st along Langley/Surrey has one of the largest developments done recent years as population growth is insanely high. Currently they are surviving with one rapid bus connection but majority still drive over Port Mann. Need to plan based on where the demand will be in next 10 years not what is needed today....
Bruh you clearly have never read anything that transit posts in reguards to future requirements/line. All of the current network has been planned since the early 80s.
Here's some 'light' reading to help you catch up
www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/regional_transportation_strategy/Transport-2040/Transport-2040.pdf
The Canada line should have continued down Davie St........... across Denman Street and up Robson Street - creating a circle line in the very very very dense West End, Yaletown and Downtown!!!!
I think the Expo line is needed to be updated before any other routes are added on it.
If the transportation bureau have enough money to invest, some Rapid bus systems can be changed into underground rail lines because roads in the downtown area are so narrow, too many buses may cause traffic jam.
Not from Vancouver but what do you think of an extension of The West Coast Express to Abbotsford.
@@innosam123 Oh whaddya know.
The WCE should go all the way to Hope
@@Slevin-Kelevra NO it shouldn't. Hope would have NO use for a WCE. There are better ways to use those trainsets.
Housing prices are driving people further away from their jobs. So yes, the WCE will need to be extended to Hope unless the COV stop its insane woke spending spree on useless feel good nothingness & allow much higher density. The COS is no better at throwing away money either TBH!
@@Slevin-Kelevra Nah... won't happen. Doesn't need to happen. And over time, jobs will migrate away from the core anyhow, so no need for the WCE to Hope.
9:28 I made a map for that
I don't understand why they're pouring money into the Surrey skytrain extension when they could do light rail. The space underneath isn't going to be used.
A better option: build near grade, but create plenty of underpasses for major roads and cycleways. This is what the Netherlands does.
It will be used for road space drainage :/
FORGOTTEN R1 AND R3 RAPIDBUS!!!!!
Can you guys make one of these video for Montreal?
Reece Martin thank you! :)
I think talking a bit slower would be better for understanding :)
Shes talking pretty slowly as it is
The fact that neither of the two major universities there are connected to the Skytrain seems like a major oversight.
eh - students can deal
I guess that's what happens when you build universities in strange geographic areas
Well considering that UBC has been around over 100 years and the Point Grey campus has been around for almost 100 years, and SFU has existed on Burnaby Mountain since 1965, I don’t think much thought was given to a rapid transit connection at that time.
I guess building two universities at high elevation in the middle of, at that time, forested areas, doesn’t bode well for a 1980s decision for a rapid transit system.
That being said, both UBC and SFU do have campuses that are in fact close to the SkyTrain Expo Line.
@@birchtree5884 UBC's not in a strange area
For the Arbutus corridor, rather see a streetcar/tram-like electric BRT (preferable using bi-articulated buses; optical guidance optional) similar to these (ua-cam.com/video/YOe1zHOKtIU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/3WEBei8G-O4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/4emjmsqV8K0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wbg6IdH908M/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/pJMyi8f8buI/v-deo.html ) instead of LRT with the busway shared with cyclists (to eliminate hazards posed to cyclists (e.g. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/streetcar-tracks-cyclists-1.3696234 ) at least on some segments and to provide greater flexibility for the bus to go around obstacles where a streetcar/tram have difficulty in (e.g. BRT rerouted through a residential road to avoid a block party)). Stations don't have to be LRT-style but streetcar/tram shelter style or even minimal bus stop style is enough.
I do not think BRT is the better option here
@@RMTransit Well to clarify, the BRT I'm thinking of isn't using the same busway widths as Viva, Missisauga Transitway, and other proper BRTs. I'm talking more about B-Line or RapidBus having characteristics of streetcar/tram yet retain the flexibility of bus. The electric bus would look more like a streetcar/tram and busways can be just one lane wide similar to a single track streetcar/tram segment along a corridor. If we use a recent route proposal for the Arbutus corridor, between Broadway and 16th Ave, northbound buses would go along Arbutus St either merged with traffic or in a bus lane with bikes permitted on the busway. Southbound buses would go along the corridor with stops on the east side of the busway. The southbound busway would be one lane like a streetcar/tram track being only one track along the narrow corridor. Optical guidance similar to the ones used in Castellon, Zhuzhou, Yibin, and #Qatar (currently under trial) can be used for either only the narrow segments between 16th Ave and Broadway or the entire route. Also the route between King Edward and 37th Ave could instead be more direct by having the route go along Arbutus St for this segment where the 16 trolleybus travels instead of going on a longer detour. #tracklesstrains #ArbutusCorridor
how about a skytrain line connecting Vancouver and Toronto?
Already exists. The particular model of "Sky" trains they run are the 737,A320, and 787
@Ce Guo
That won't happen until *_AT LEAST_* maybe 3000 A.D. (and that is a *_big, fat_*_ _*_*MAYBE:*_* it might not happen *_even then!)_* - laughing out loud here!!
that wouldn't be transit
I’d love to see a connection from Richmond to surrey. Right now, it’s impractical to get from Richmond to surrey or vice versa because you have to go downtown and then transfer. Make the system a loop between Vancouver, burnaby, surrey, and Richmond.
I wish they would run an express bus from Surrey Central to Richmond. Yes, the 301 does it already, but getting to Newton isn't the easiest for some areas in Surrey and Langley.
While I agree that it's difficult to get between these two places... there isn't even really that many BUSES that make the journey... so I wonder if there's enough ridership to make it worthwhile.
The problem with Surrey to Richmond is that Surrey is HUGE... and lots of people live where transit ISN'T.
To be honest your BEST bet for an easy ride to Richmond is going to be through New West and a proposed new DMU line from New West to Marine Drive Station.
It will be interesting to see if, after the dramatic drop in air travel due to Covid-19, the YVR international terminal extension will go ahead as planned. One thing that seriously bugs me about Vancouver’s rapid transit system is the small size of the trains, particularly on the Canada Line.
The Canada Line was built as a public private partnership and the provincial government overseeing the project seemed more concerned with maximizing the private partners’ profit potential rather than ensuring they constructed a high quality rapid transit line. The project was notorious for cutting corners to “save” money on construction costs, e.g. trains have to slow down to a crawl at several curves because the tracks weren’t sufficiently banked to allow normal speeds. Unlike the Expo and Millennium lines the rolling stock is full-sized but the two-car trains and the short station platforms, which cannot be easily expanded, are going to be a serious future liability. The line (pre-Covid) is already very crowded during normal operations.
Vancouver’s transit system has improved over the years but compared to other cities in Canada and around the world of a similar, or in some cases smaller, size it’s an inconsistent hodgepodge of miniature stations and tiny trains. The signage used to be really confusing and counterintuitive, particularly for non-English speakers, but this has improved recently. Getting rid of that crazy Expo/Millennium Line loop helped too. Some of the expanded transfer stations are awkwardly designed (e.g. Broadway and Commercial, the busiest Canadian transit hub east of Toronto) with bottlenecks and poor passenger flow through.
As mentioned, the Canada Line is crowded during normal operations and on the Expo Line during morning and afternoon rush hours (pre-Covid of course) trains are jam packed and it’s normal to have to let one or two trains go by before being able to board. And this is with trains arriving every 90 to 120 seconds. It’s a clean, quiet and reliable system but expanding its capacity to meet increased ridership demands as the city and region grow will be difficult.
I don't necessarily agree that much, Vancouver got a solid transit line and it was cheap!
Would anyone mind explaining why the Millennium line to UBC will be built as a subway instead of being elevated? It appeared to me that Broadway would have plenty of space for elevated tracks.
I don't think it's been suggested that it will be all elevated
After Arbutus there is a CHANCe that some parts of it will be elevated, but keep in mind that there isn't that much room East of Arbutus on Broadway. It's a narrower street than you imagine.
Reece, what happened to your voice?
History? You fail to mention the original street car lines and the interurban which was strategically removed by GM.
High speed regional rail all the way to Kelowna and Banff, then Calgary
Wheres reece dont like the musicor voice over