the thing about ancient Greece is that trickery was actually a respected quality. hippomenes using the golden apples to trick her was actually the right thing to do because, unlike every other suitor, he didn't think he was better than her, he didn't believe he could beat her in a race fairly, everyone else was arrogant. by needing to cheat, he was basically affirming that he recognized she was better than him in a straight race and thus respected her in a way others didn't. that's why she willingly lost the race to marry him.
@@TheArcSetEven Hercules had to use trickery, like when he got Atlas to grab apples from a tree for him and then tricked Atlas into taking back the sky. The difference is that Odysseus was all trickster plus an archer. Archers are the pansies of Greek mythology, so Odysseus gets dragged down by his archery and his inability to back up his smarts with raw power made him even more annoying.
You missed the part of Atalanta's myth where at the end, she and Hipponemes have a "honeymoon" in one of Zeus' temples and as punishment he turns them both into lions. The belief at the time was that lions only mated with leopards or something and NOT other lions... Needless to say, Zeus had never seen The Lion King...
In other versions of the myth they were turned to lions by Artemis for breaking her vow of celibacy as her follower. Ando that is the reason why she has cat ears in FGO
@@VOIDoftheZUN89I’m admittedly not that familiar with Greek mythology, but Atalanta was never a hunter of Artemis…was she?…I’m pretty sure only her hunters have that vow. Please, correct me if I’m wrong
Psyche’s sisters were completely jealous of her that is my main reason why they tried to say “hey your boyfriend might try to eat you” then when they try to leave, Zephyr had picked them up, but dropped them killing them in the process
I thought they safely left, Zephyr being a competent wind God after all, but tried to return why Pyche wasn't there, and then Zeyger drop them when the expect him to catch them, becuse they were uninvited
Warp Spasm Cu has been mentioned a few times in Fate, most notably by Cu Alter who has stated that he REALLY doesn't want to face off against regular Cu as a Berserker. Given that Cu Alter is as strong as Berserker Heracles already, they have been really hyping Riastrad Cu up (kinda like Saber Raikou and Archer Herc).
18:14 Typcially, a chariot carries two people. A driver, and someone who fights from the chariot. Additionally, chariots were also used as a way to quickly get around a battlefield,
for the not eating dog thing, I interpreted it as Cu using a geass, basically making a magical contract with himself for a power boost, like “In exchange for decent boost in speed, i will not eat dog meat”. He made a bunch of these for all sorts of buffs that would come in handy in fights but Maeb found out about them and tricked him into breaking the conditions in order to remove the buffs
To dragons being in greece, the word dragon technically comes from greek. Notable examples being Typhon, Python and as you noted, the Hydra. However it is worth mentioning that "Drakon", basically translates as serpent. It isn't too dissimilar from the Germanic etymology of "Wyrm" or "Wurm/Lindwurm". To be honest, up until modern fantasy interpretations (And that dragon chart I absolutely despise), overall dragon really is a broad term for most serpent-like mythological creatures. Hence why we also call the eastern variants dragons. They fit the idea of a powerful serpentine mythological creature, while technically diverging from the typical "4 legs 2 wings fire breathing lizard"
Notes about the Eros and Psyche myth: 1. I was read a version of the Abduction of Persephone and Demeter's Search as a child that outright stated that the only reason Hades stopped doing his job long enough to catch feelings is because Aphrodite took his prolonged - and celibate - bachelorhood personally. So she orders Eros to shoot him with a love arrow right around the time he's passing by the field Persephone hangs out at. Meaning that Zeus may have given Hades permission to marry his daughter without consulting her mum, but the ruler of the underworld wouldn't have even thought to ask if Aphrodite hadn't decided the two of them made a cute couple and promptly took actions to make her ship reality. 2. I was also read a version of the Eros and Psyche myth at the same age as the prior myth, along with several others because my grandmother thought they made good bedtime stories and wanted my brother and I to be exposed to culture ASAP, that indicated Persephone knew Aphrodite was the reason Hades fell for her and approached Zeus to request permission to marry/kidnap her. It also indicated she was still miffed about that...and the whole Minthe thing. So she filled the beauty box with a powder that induced ' "the sleep of death" explicitly to get revenge on the love goddess who can't mind her own business worth a darn. 3. In that same myth, Persephone outright warns Psyche not to open the box and bring it straight to Aphrodite with all haste. Psyche doesn't, the death-sleep powder hits her full in the face as soon as the box is opened, and she collapses. Eros revives her by wiping the powder out of her eyes, and clearing it from her airways. 4. Aphrodite apparently stops having an issue with Psyche as soon as she becomes a goddess herself, and turns full supportive mother-in-law and doting grandmother.
The Atalanta is a cat in fate is mentioned in the video post script. Basically, on the honeymoon she either accidentally insulted or defiled a temple of Zeus or Aphrodite. As punishment, she and her bae were turned into lions.
Funny things about CuChulainn: - the reason he pucked the poor sweet Cu of Chulainn was because of an accident. His royal uncle invited him to this dinner held by the smith Chulainn, and forgot to tell the smith in question that Setanta (our hero before his eponym) would be late; thus he let his dog out too early. And Setanta only did it until the dog's younger sibling could grow old enough and be trained. - the thing with the Morrigan was admittedly a fairly good reason as to why Crow Mama isn't some godly Goth GF. She took an interest in Chulainn seeing him single-handedly fight off Maeve's army, and asked him to lay with her and gain favor. Despite having multiple affairs while married to Emer, he rejected. And pretty much every horrible guise that would strip him of his power was The Morrigan taking out her vengeance. And before you ask why'd she'd get involved, one of The Morrigan's domains was War and her chosen land was Ulster. - Cu'Chulainn was basically a Paladin-Berserker multiclass, because alongside his berserk Riastrad, he took a few oaths to make him stronger with each one having a guideline to follow to keep him extra buffed. One of his rules was "don't eat dog meat," and the other that The Morrigan exploited was "Don't refuse a meal from a woman." - the reason for the Riastrad was his father's lineage. See, Cu was a Demigod because Lugh was the born king of the Tuatha Dedanann, but Lugh was 1/4th Formorian. And Formorians were basically the monstrous pseudogod inhabitants of Ireland that lived there long before the Tuatha got there. And yes, the Formorians were several kinds of evil, including the living natural disaster known as Balor who is ten times the terror than anything the Greeks or Nords could think of. - He also was fairly smart. The main reason he was able to protect Ulster was because he fed the enemy troops into a kill zone on a Lone bridge that connected the two regions. Any soldier that got within 10ft of the bridge was dead like Dinner Goose. By the way, this dude was so badass that there are somgs, old and new, about him. Which includes "Tale of Chu'Chulainn" by Miracle of Sound (get comfy, tbat's a good 8 minutes there)
@zero69kage Also, forgot to mention this in the original (will edit in later), Cu's Riastrad is so inherently deadly not just because he's 1/8 Formore, but because that big terror Balor of the Evil Eye IS HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER!
41:17 there's a story of someone who may well be a real life Atalanta, Khutalun (Coot-ah-loon) a Mongolian nobleman noted for her great beauty and formidable strength who was a granddaughter of Genghis Khan who claimed she would only marry a man who could beat her in a wrestling match, if they lost she could help herself to 100 of their best horses (a very precious commodity to the Mongols) it was said that when she was finally married (to someone who didn't have to out wrestle her) she had accumulated a stable of some 10,000 or more horses.
its a big part of Celtic culture that you become a man at 18. it is when you set your life going in some cases such as warriors it is when you choose a quest to live your life to achieve and many would set a geas at this time. Celts were also very equal in there army's and lives and even having a version of divorce guaranteed by religious law. a women could choose to divorce her husband within the first year of marriage without any repercussions.
Something that red skipped is that her sister's fate was her own doing. Funny how Rick Riordan published a book aimed for children that included that detail
20:51 To make matters worse, Cupid was just Eros' Roman name at the start. 36:52 Fortunately in most of the versions Atalanta _does_ end up on the Argo, she's spared the possibility of seafaring hanky-panky from the Argonauts by calling on Artemis' favor, which was basically just Artemis saying "Touch her and die."
18:44 you missed the part during the end credits/Patreon members list where she wrote that in some versions he tied himself to the stone with his own entrails, now THAT is metal.
I mean there is a second reason why fate gave Atalanta cat features, in the legend she and her husband did that nasty in one of Zeus's temples which pissed him off royally. So as punishment Zeus decided to turn the two of them into lions.
@@DDlambchop43 It's an educated guess, based on stuff Red and Blue have mentioned in the podcast or during streams like it having a heavy common-core curriculum, it was in a midwest city, and the school's students being known for their masochist streak.
"Also training under Scáthach is the warrior Ferdiad, who becomes close buds and battle-brothers with Cú Chulainn..." "How does he kill him?" Okay, that was funny.
aphrodite is actually probably one of the least (intentionally) harmful gods in the pantheon, if you look for love, and are not a complete cellar gremlin, she's perfectly willing to help you out, but if you're single and REFUSE to mingle, that's a personal affront to her. in modern interpretations she's perfectly chill with asexuals but don't you dare be aromantic.
30:00 or it can be more like “what do you expect the queen of the underworld would put in a box if not death. What else do you expect to be in the box. And what kills a mortal may not kill a god”.
Ah yes the Eros and Phyche video. Argubly one of their bigest hits and what sky rocked their channel growth and popularity when it came out from what Red and Blue have said in videos. Honestly I find that part of their channe history really intresting cause people were drawn in by the video (with its amazing visuals, Reds way of story telling, comedy and the fact its about Love) and stayed because at that point OSP had a massive backlog of videos for people to go though.
There's a classic fairy tale called "East of the Sun, West of the Moon" which is basically the Eros and Psche story only all the gods are replaced with trolls.
Believe it or not what happened with Morgan and Cu Chulainn was Morgan fell in love with Cu and he kept rejecting her advances so eventually she got mad at him and cursed him to lose in his next battle because one of her duties as a goddess was to control the tides of battle and decide who would win and who would lose so she was the thirsty one
Zeus did it. They were having a little too much fun in one of his temples so he turned him into a lion and her into a lioness, because the thought at the time was that lions only mated with leopards. He was planning on permanently separating them as punishment.
@@kylajensen1957 I like to imagine Hera pointed out that he turned them into a male and female of the same species and accomplished nothing just to rub it in.
There's a reason UBW Abridged is totally on point when they say "he's pretty much Irish Hercules". As for him having a chariot AND driver, first up, chariots have been a thing for a long time, I mean, pretty simple thing, and I'm pretty sure the first noteable army that used them historically was the Hittites, who had beef with the Egyptians about +1000 BC, so yeah, really old stuff. As for why he needed a charioteer to drive him around... it's not that efficient or easy to drive a chariot one-handed while trying to stab your opponent with presumably a speer, both are tasks you'd probably want to dedicate 2 hands to. The thing with why Medb declared war against Ulster also was actually a bit more complicated, afaik, and has to do with Fergus (yes the Fergus that wants to bang anything that moves in FGO) and the story of Naoise and Deirdre, basically Naoise and Deirdre were a couple, King of Ulster wanted Deirdre, ordered his soldiers to bring her to him, Fergus ended up being the one to do it iirc, but he was so discontent with the entire situation because Naoise ended up dead, so he defected to Connacht, and when the time came, he spurred her just that little bit more to declare war on Ulster because he was still bitter about that. Also got to remember that Medb was probably something closer to a goddess or fairy as well. So... yeah, the story was probably about a bit more than just a cattle raid for one bull. Note to how the Gae Bulg is used, usually there's also the condition that it has to be launched while standing in a stream of water, possibly because the thing is carved from the bones of a sea monster. Also, I know that the question of what Cu Chullain tied himself to that rock with didn't come up, but generally, it was supposedly his guts... thus we get to Battle Continuation in FGO being called Guts... since the first one to really bring this standard kind of Battle Continuation to Fate was Cu in Stay Night. As for Atalante... her beating Achilles dad in a wrestling match is why Achilles calls her "older sister" in Fate/Apocrypha, because supposedly he heard stories of Atalante from his dad. I... also don't remember if Red just didn't mention it in this video or if you skipped it at the end there, but part of the reason Atalante is a catgirl in Fate is because at least in some versions of the story, either because she broke her vow of chastity to Artemis, or because they got it on in a temple of Zeus for their first time, or possibly both, Atalante and her new husband got turned into Lions... because the Ancient Greek believed male and female lions didn't reproduce together... so that's why Atalantes hair more so resembles a mane, to bring in lion-aspects, even if female lions technically don't have a noteable mane. Also, the reason she ran after the apples is less so just because "ooh, shiny", but also because golden apples are considered something extremely precious in Greek Myth, I mean, it was even one of Heracles' labors to steal some of them, and he had to get Atlas to help him because they were guarded by a dragon. So... not something you'd want to lose, hence why Atalante was drawn to pick them up. So... it's generally argued wether Atalante really would've been fine losing to a guy using tricks like that, especially considering her vow of chastity, and if their relationship was really as consentual as depicted by Red.
The Eros and Pysche video is literally what lead me to find OSP. I remember it kept getting recommended to me on UA-cam and I sat down to watch it and had such a fun time. I ended up looking through their channel for other videos of the myths series in one night and became a subscriber and have been ever since 😊
2:48 No, it's actually pretty similar to Norse mythology. Snorri Sturluson (author of the Prose Edda) also tried to pass the Æsir off as ancient aliens/Trojans (that was the trend in medieval "national" historiography, to copy the Romans and the Æneid). I do believe it was more insistent with Celtic mythology because the authors were literally missionaries who also got there sooner (5th century), while Snorri and the saga writers wrote a few centuries after Christianization, when the stories were still alive but there was less need to proselytize about "there's only one true God".
It is hilarious how multiple Christian historians writing local myths went with "Uuuhhhh... Trojans!". "History of Kings of Britain" by Geoffrey of Monmouth that is one of the big causes of King Arthur being popular also has that.
@@gokbay3057 So does the "Chronicle of Fredegar" concerning the history of the Franks (then copied and adapted by all French chroniclers to justify the origins of France). He makes up a whole convoluted fanfiction backstory about his OC, Æneas' cousin Francion, who migrates north and founds a city called Sicambria between the Danube and the Rhine. Then, centuries later, his made-up descendant Pharamand becomes the first king of the Franks, and his line goes down to real historical people like Clovis who pretty much founds the Frankish kingdom in the late 400s-500s.
25:27 They gods can not be killed by Mortals (and maybe each other), but they can but hurt (physically or otherwise) and feel pain. In the Iliad Ares was defeated by a stab to the gut, Aphrodite had a spear thrown through her hand which sent her to Olympus crying and Hera best Artimes wit tge Huntress’s own bow until it broke. The Gods are Immortal and *relatively* immune to harm… definitely more tanky than any mortal… but they are not *invulnerable* or *immune* to *pain.* 37:47 “Atalanta… I don’t feel good.”
I'd greatly suggest watching some of Blue's videos or the trope talks too. I know you've watched the Pope Fights, but OSP is a gold mine of easy-to-understand literary and historical summaries and analysis. Plus they're funny. Sometimes.
Actually Airier the main reason Atalanta has lion ears and a tail in FGO, and fate as a whole is that in some versions of her myth she was blessed by Artemis with the stipulation she remain unmarried and verginal like Artemis herself for the rest of her life. When Atalanta lost her foot race and married Melanion/Hippomenes Artemis was furious and turned them into lions as punishment for Atalanta for not remaining true to her oath. Fate plays off that telling
Interesting fact… the commandment is “no gods *before* me” implying that you’re allowed other Gods as long as they don’t get top billing. I haven’t read them in the original Biblical Hebrew yet, though so I could be totally wrong.
34:14 Atalanta defeating Peleus in a wrestling match is actually a plot relevant point in Fate/Apocrypha. Achilles looks up to her and calls her "sister" (with the same combination of term and honorific that yakuza use when addressing senior female members of their organization) because his father told him how amazing Atalanta was (when she defeated him in wrestling, when hunting the Caledonian boar, and when part of the crew of the Argo [because remember, in Fate she was part of Argonauts]).
... Airier, you know that Ireland is one of the British Isles, right? It's not a fantastical otherworld on some different plans of existence. Only some of it is. Edit: also the word dragon is literally Greek in origin.
Yeah celtic and gaelic names can be a bit of a challenge for a modern english speaker, when I researched the origin of my family name it turned out it developed from the "MacAodh" clan, "Aodh" being pronounced "Hughie" somehow. And I feel okay sharing that because there are a bunch of modern family names that are derived from it :P
Now that you mention it here's a thought maybe there used to be an even spread good and bad end greek stories but the Library of Alexandria burned down and we lost most of them. And the tragic ones survived better presumably because they were passed down more as cautionary tales. Its a little more important to make sure your kids understand not to piss off the gods which is more easy to do with scary stories than fluffy ones.
I always thought in regards to the "casually fixes the whole dead thing," in Eros and Psyche's myth that, probably, Eros low-key reminds Hades it's because of one of his arrows he fell for Persephone, or Hades feared Eros's wrath and got a favor out of him in exchange for reviving Psyche. It's just what made sense to me. 😂
One person in the comments of the original video put it best… Cu Cuchulainn I basically war-Jesus. Son of (a) God, is liked by most, willingly puts his life on the line for others, dies attached to something and had a short life, even for the time. Also if you want more tts content, there is a number of tts adjacent content by individual members if the Alfabusa crew, like Stringstorm, Karl the Deranged, Eliphas the Inheritor, 40k Theories, ThunderPsyker, Zorin the Bear, and Vindicare Assassin, among others. And if you want more Warhammer content checkout Five(ish) minute lore and Mistakes of the Emperor, both by Old Man, as well as anything by PancreasNoWork, MajorKill, and Arch. They all four make great content that is both informative and entertaining.
Regarding Atalante's cat traits in FGO, it's both from that anecdote and what happened after the race in some tellings of the story, likely added at some point to keep a Greek female hero from getting a happy ending and to discourage stepping out of gender roles. In some later versions, when Hippomenes and Atalante consummate their marriage, Hippomenes forgot to do a proper sacrifice to Aphrodite after winning the race, and she made him and Atalante go crazy with lust in front of a temple to Zeus, and both and Artemis took umbrage to the sacrilege (Atalante losing her virginity was bad enough to her, but doing it in front of Zeus's face?), and the gods cursed them to turn into lions. According to those tellings, it was said that the Greeks belived that lions could not mate with their own kind, only leopards, meaning Atalante and Hippomenes could never again enjoy marital bliss with each other. Red mentions this offhand in the credit reel. In FGO, Atalante at some point hints that she is not entirely sure if this happened or not, likely as a nod to the fact that the whole thing is disputed to this day as anything but an abrupt addition to the story that didn't completely take but is known. Much like how Innocent Monster can add things to a Servant.
In European knights, i think the youngest, you were considered an "adult/fully trained knight" was 21 years old. So using that logic, being a "full adult" was early 20's/ finished your trade training. So being 17 years old, and being considered a child, isn't that big of a stretch. Heck, young brides/child, were mainly for Royalty/big contracts. Because even the ancient times recognized that women/teens had a better survival rate after 18 years old. Plus the fact, that a child/ teen was still the property of the father until marriage, well, more hands on deck, more money/food harvested.
The idea was ancient Greeks didn’t thinks lions slept together, but they do, so they’re still in love, they just don’t have to deal with society anymore. With the way Red’s portraying it, this doesn’t even change the family dynamic, because they kept her bear mom around. So now the family is a bear, some hunters, and two lions. 😊
FGO does not censor Cu Chulainn's warp spasm or his character. Fate alludes at several places that a non-Alter Berserker Cu would be exactly that, him in full Riastrad, which would be way to dangerous, so much like Rider Nero it is something to be avoided.
I mean.. If you really think about it.. Zeus really wasn't up to his usual shenanigans of trying to bone with Psyche... because Eros was out of commission and Aphrodite had him locked away. Without him around Zeus can (for once) not be horny.
Eros and Psyche is for sure my favorite Greek myth and is the OG "Beauty and the Beast" trope hehe. So many fairytales use things from this story, including the original Beauty and the Beast tale by the Brothers Grimm. Probably one of the few times Zeus isn't a dick lol.
You cut off the last one too early, you missed the part where they bang in a temple and get turned into lions become the Greeks thought lions couldn't mate with each other.
Fun facts about ages that were considered adulthood throughout history: In pre Holy Roman Empire times the Germanic peoples that Rome was in contact (and a loooooot of conflict) with on average got married at 20 because before then they weren't considered adults. So the idea of age of consent as a concept is around 2k years old. In wider Europe I mean, 'cuz I'm not speaking for other places where I don't know what's what and when. Additionally most of the wilder age gaps and younger ages of marriage are usually just contracts between noble houses that threw in a marriage to a daughter to solidify alliances or to exchange hostages in order to affect peace between each other, which are pretty important records hence why theses practices are more widely known and misinform public perception of the topic. Peasant folk by and large pretty much always married between ages 16 and 25 in Europe, consummation and subsequent pregnancy usually was relegated to 18 and up due to that happening to a girl several years younger than that usually resulted in the death of both mother and child and menarche was happening later in one's life until we reach the era of post-industrialisation in Europe, on average between 16-19 the higher ranges being older developmental tendencies. So yeah. Relatedly, content warning for dark shit from the Now times: The creepy child bride practices in the US and other places are often a relatively recent development and the even more toxic anti-abortion movement's talking points are an ahistorical invention by the Catholic Church to oppose women's equality, this then got appropriated by racists who wanted to crack down on interracial marriage while not *saying* that's what they're cracking down on with a heaping bonus of also being anti-feminist.
Did you read the post scriptum in the credits about Atalanta? The main reason she has those cat features in FGO is because in some versions of the tale Hippomenes and Atalanta banged in a sanctuary shortly after their marriage and were turned into lions. As a Servant she retains some of those feline features when summoned.
You know I'm finding it funny that while fgo has its ludicrous moments with mythology there's stuff that....shockingly enough they actually do make a connection to the source material or materials in the case of mythology. So yeah scathach throwing the gae bolg via a kick is lore accurate not just fan service, though to be fair it's fgo scathach it is hard to tell cause fan service with her isn't even difficult to make.
Apparently Warp Spasm Cu is Berserker Cu. And I don't mean Cu Alter, ACTUAL Berserker Cu is (according to Cu Alter's Interlude) stronger than the Alter. That and the fact it's pure unadultert rage without reason unlike other Berserkers like Herakles makes him prime Material for Grand Berserker.
Right so, Red kinda completely made up most of the Atalante myth after Hippomenes shows up. On the basis that she wanted to, which REALLY sucks because then people who don't actually know the myth believe it since she's otherwise reasonably credible. To quote Red herself later in the Persephone video "This is cite-o-genesis in action." In actuality, the golden apples Aphrodite gave Hippomenes were enchanted to fascinate anyone who saw them. Atalante didn't get distracted by shiny or decide to let him win. He straight up cheated to win. Forcing her to marry a man who she didn't want to and then break her vows of chastity to Artemis. Made somewhat worse as in some versions a big reason for that is that Atalante was prophesized to be doomed should she wed. So already not great all around. Then things got worse because Hippomenes forgot to THANK Aphrodite for her help bagging his unwilling wife, so she cursed them to bone in another gods temple. Which the gods punished by turning them both into lions on the basis that the ancient Greeks thought lions could only mate with jaguars for some reason. In essence they were turned into animals and cursed to never bone again. So... yeah they absolutely did not live happily ever after either. And that curse is why Atalante has lion features in fgo. Not because shiny, but because she was literally transformed into one at the end of her myth.
What a coincidence because I just got done with a quiz about which Japanese Demon you were. One of the questions was about how you would die, and a lady's bare chest was an option in death.
@@DDlambchop43 In the various stories the Olympian gods have been wounded. In the Iliad Aphrodite gets stabbed through the arm and Ares gets his belly run through. When Zeus fought Typhon, it overpowered him, ripped the tendons out of his body and hid them under a rock. The closest to an Olympian god dying is in one of the stories of Perseus when he showed the Titan Atlas Medusa's head and he turned into a mountain.
FGO does bring up but that is a thing generally only normal berserker Cu gets because servants are only a small part of the legend of the heroic spirits(land, recognition and the magic energy of master can all improve that) Cu is one of the two example of how he would get things like a castle, chariot, protection of sleeplessness and so if summoned in Ireland would have more even if just in western Europe it kind of varies why the three Geas that was placed on Cu some that caused him to kill him some it is revenge, some cu asked He basically refused to be thirst with morigion so she decided to mess him up Yep Fate is kind of funny sometime Fanservice and this is how it is described(like the whole Artemis being basically sex on legs is brought up when Aura decides it is a good ideal to insult how much of a woman Artemis is and how a boy like body like Aura is better) "Artemis, you only have the name of a virgin maid, because your rounded breasts are full and soft, a woman's breasts like the Paphian, not a man's like Athena, and your cheeks shed a rosy radiance! Well, since you have a body like that desirous goddess, why not be queen of marriage as well as Kythereia (Cytherea) with her wealth of fine hair, and receive a bridegroom into your chamber? If it please you, leave Athena and sleep with Hermes and Ares. If it please you, take up the bow and arrows of the Erotes (Loves), if your passion is so strong for a quiver full of arrows. I ask pardon of your beauty, but I am much better than you. See what a vigorous body I have! Look at Aura's body like a boy's, and her step swifter than Zephyros (the West Wind)! See the muscles upon my arms, look at my breasts, round and unripe, not unlike a woman. You might almost say that yours are swelling with drops of milk! Why are your arms so tender, why are your breasts not round like Aura's, to tell the world themselves of unviolated maidenhood?’ "
17 years old being not a kid but not quite grown up yet isn't all that uncommon. I'm not sure on actual Celtic practice but I know for Romans while a boy left childhood and could do things like join the army at age 16 he also wasn't a full adult yet. His father or next adult male relative would still handle all monetary and busniess affairs. Also most Roman boys wouldn't typically marry until after their first beard shaving around 18 to 20. So while a teenager would be expected to carry their own weight to a point people seem to recongnize teenagers are still not ready for a lot things yet and thus not fully an adult.
So recap: Psyche betrayed Eros trust and decided to use the quest item on herself instead of fufilling the quest and giving it back to Persefone like she agreed then was rewarded for it even though she learned nothing and is still the same selfish treacherous untrusting one. Did I get it right?
19:52 Actually from what I heard, homosexuality wasn't as common place back then as we thought. The channel Mettatron this subject and it's rather interesting.
The same Mettatron who in his video put the meme of “I don’t care as long as it’s two consenting adults and not shoved in my face,” but played seriously?
the thing about ancient Greece is that trickery was actually a respected quality. hippomenes using the golden apples to trick her was actually the right thing to do because, unlike every other suitor, he didn't think he was better than her, he didn't believe he could beat her in a race fairly, everyone else was arrogant. by needing to cheat, he was basically affirming that he recognized she was better than him in a straight race and thus respected her in a way others didn't. that's why she willingly lost the race to marry him.
I kind of thought it was the opposite, hence why Odysseus was considered a slightly problematic antihero?
@@TheArcSetnah it’s cause he kept pissing off the gods
@@TheArcSetEven Hercules had to use trickery, like when he got Atlas to grab apples from a tree for him and then tricked Atlas into taking back the sky.
The difference is that Odysseus was all trickster plus an archer. Archers are the pansies of Greek mythology, so Odysseus gets dragged down by his archery and his inability to back up his smarts with raw power made him even more annoying.
That makes sense.@@justinalicea1590
You missed the part of Atalanta's myth where at the end, she and Hipponemes have a "honeymoon" in one of Zeus' temples and as punishment he turns them both into lions. The belief at the time was that lions only mated with leopards or something and NOT other lions...
Needless to say, Zeus had never seen The Lion King...
In other versions of the myth they were turned to lions by Artemis for breaking her vow of celibacy as her follower.
Ando that is the reason why she has cat ears in FGO
@@VOIDoftheZUN89I’m admittedly not that familiar with Greek mythology, but Atalanta was never a hunter of Artemis…was she?…I’m pretty sure only her hunters have that vow.
Please, correct me if I’m wrong
Airier, the celtic areas of today are as follows: Cornwall, Bretony, Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Mann and Wales.
Basically the western tips of North-West Europe.
@@CommissarMitch Exluding Island and the Faero-isle
Psyche’s sisters were completely jealous of her that is my main reason why they tried to say “hey your boyfriend might try to eat you” then when they try to leave, Zephyr had picked them up, but dropped them killing them in the process
I thought they safely left, Zephyr being a competent wind God after all, but tried to return why Pyche wasn't there, and then Zeyger drop them when the expect him to catch them, becuse they were uninvited
Red was actually a math major, she just took a literature class.
Warp Spasm Cu has been mentioned a few times in Fate, most notably by Cu Alter who has stated that he REALLY doesn't want to face off against regular Cu as a Berserker. Given that Cu Alter is as strong as Berserker Heracles already, they have been really hyping Riastrad Cu up (kinda like Saber Raikou and Archer Herc).
18:14 Typcially, a chariot carries two people. A driver, and someone who fights from the chariot. Additionally, chariots were also used as a way to quickly get around a battlefield,
I can't wait for Airier to look at Red's deep dive into the individual Greek gods and how they changed over centuries.
for the not eating dog thing, I interpreted it as Cu using a geass, basically making a magical contract with himself for a power boost, like “In exchange for decent boost in speed, i will not eat dog meat”. He made a bunch of these for all sorts of buffs that would come in handy in fights but Maeb found out about them and tricked him into breaking the conditions in order to remove the buffs
Greek myths, 60% Zeus being super horny, 25% Someone claiming to be better then the Gods, 15% Aphrodite being a shipper.
Yeah that seems about right
To dragons being in greece, the word dragon technically comes from greek. Notable examples being Typhon, Python and as you noted, the Hydra. However it is worth mentioning that "Drakon", basically translates as serpent. It isn't too dissimilar from the Germanic etymology of "Wyrm" or "Wurm/Lindwurm".
To be honest, up until modern fantasy interpretations (And that dragon chart I absolutely despise), overall dragon really is a broad term for most serpent-like mythological creatures. Hence why we also call the eastern variants dragons. They fit the idea of a powerful serpentine mythological creature, while technically diverging from the typical "4 legs 2 wings fire breathing lizard"
related; Red did a trope talk on dragons in general.
Notes about the Eros and Psyche myth:
1. I was read a version of the Abduction of Persephone and Demeter's Search as a child that outright stated that the only reason Hades stopped doing his job long enough to catch feelings is because Aphrodite took his prolonged - and celibate - bachelorhood personally. So she orders Eros to shoot him with a love arrow right around the time he's passing by the field Persephone hangs out at. Meaning that Zeus may have given Hades permission to marry his daughter without consulting her mum, but the ruler of the underworld wouldn't have even thought to ask if Aphrodite hadn't decided the two of them made a cute couple and promptly took actions to make her ship reality.
2. I was also read a version of the Eros and Psyche myth at the same age as the prior myth, along with several others because my grandmother thought they made good bedtime stories and wanted my brother and I to be exposed to culture ASAP, that indicated Persephone knew Aphrodite was the reason Hades fell for her and approached Zeus to request permission to marry/kidnap her. It also indicated she was still miffed about that...and the whole Minthe thing. So she filled the beauty box with a powder that induced ' "the sleep of death" explicitly to get revenge on the love goddess who can't mind her own business worth a darn.
3. In that same myth, Persephone outright warns Psyche not to open the box and bring it straight to Aphrodite with all haste. Psyche doesn't, the death-sleep powder hits her full in the face as soon as the box is opened, and she collapses. Eros revives her by wiping the powder out of her eyes, and clearing it from her airways.
4. Aphrodite apparently stops having an issue with Psyche as soon as she becomes a goddess herself, and turns full supportive mother-in-law and doting grandmother.
The Atalanta is a cat in fate is mentioned in the video post script. Basically, on the honeymoon she either accidentally insulted or defiled a temple of Zeus or Aphrodite. As punishment, she and her bae were turned into lions.
Funny things about CuChulainn:
- the reason he pucked the poor sweet Cu of Chulainn was because of an accident. His royal uncle invited him to this dinner held by the smith Chulainn, and forgot to tell the smith in question that Setanta (our hero before his eponym) would be late; thus he let his dog out too early. And Setanta only did it until the dog's younger sibling could grow old enough and be trained.
- the thing with the Morrigan was admittedly a fairly good reason as to why Crow Mama isn't some godly Goth GF. She took an interest in Chulainn seeing him single-handedly fight off Maeve's army, and asked him to lay with her and gain favor. Despite having multiple affairs while married to Emer, he rejected. And pretty much every horrible guise that would strip him of his power was The Morrigan taking out her vengeance. And before you ask why'd she'd get involved, one of The Morrigan's domains was War and her chosen land was Ulster.
- Cu'Chulainn was basically a Paladin-Berserker multiclass, because alongside his berserk Riastrad, he took a few oaths to make him stronger with each one having a guideline to follow to keep him extra buffed. One of his rules was "don't eat dog meat," and the other that The Morrigan exploited was "Don't refuse a meal from a woman."
- the reason for the Riastrad was his father's lineage. See, Cu was a Demigod because Lugh was the born king of the Tuatha Dedanann, but Lugh was 1/4th Formorian. And Formorians were basically the monstrous pseudogod inhabitants of Ireland that lived there long before the Tuatha got there. And yes, the Formorians were several kinds of evil, including the living natural disaster known as Balor who is ten times the terror than anything the Greeks or Nords could think of.
- He also was fairly smart. The main reason he was able to protect Ulster was because he fed the enemy troops into a kill zone on a Lone bridge that connected the two regions. Any soldier that got within 10ft of the bridge was dead like Dinner Goose.
By the way, this dude was so badass that there are somgs, old and new, about him. Which includes "Tale of Chu'Chulainn" by Miracle of Sound (get comfy, tbat's a good 8 minutes there)
I always wondered where the Riastrad came from. It coming from the Formorians makes a lot of sense.
@zero69kage WAY too much sense. Also, glad I could help.
@zero69kage Also, forgot to mention this in the original (will edit in later), Cu's Riastrad is so inherently deadly not just because he's 1/8 Formore, but because that big terror Balor of the Evil Eye IS HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER!
@@b3rz3rk3r9 oh, that actually explains why one of his eyes pops out of his head.
@@zero69kage That's probably just artistic depiction of his body shifting wildly, but I *SEE* what you did there.
41:17 there's a story of someone who may well be a real life Atalanta, Khutalun (Coot-ah-loon) a Mongolian nobleman noted for her great beauty and formidable strength who was a granddaughter of Genghis Khan who claimed she would only marry a man who could beat her in a wrestling match, if they lost she could help herself to 100 of their best horses (a very precious commodity to the Mongols) it was said that when she was finally married (to someone who didn't have to out wrestle her) she had accumulated a stable of some 10,000 or more horses.
The thing with Persefone and the box is that she has the Beauty of Death since after all she is the Queen of the Underworld, and Afrodite knew this.
its a big part of Celtic culture that you become a man at 18. it is when you set your life going in some cases such as warriors it is when you choose a quest to live your life to achieve and many would set a geas at this time. Celts were also very equal in there army's and lives and even having a version of divorce guaranteed by religious law. a women could choose to divorce her husband within the first year of marriage without any repercussions.
At this point every time airier says FGO is accurate I take a drink.
Something that red skipped is that her sister's fate was her own doing. Funny how Rick Riordan published a book aimed for children that included that detail
It was in the credits stuff that he skipped. Red puts a lot of clarifications and interesting notes in there.
@@HBHaga yeah, but red does that, she skips a few non crucial details in the bulk of the story and add in the credits to make the video slimmer
20:51 To make matters worse, Cupid was just Eros' Roman name at the start.
36:52 Fortunately in most of the versions Atalanta _does_ end up on the Argo, she's spared the possibility of seafaring hanky-panky from the Argonauts by calling on Artemis' favor, which was basically just Artemis saying "Touch her and die."
18:44 you missed the part during the end credits/Patreon members list where she wrote that in some versions he tied himself to the stone with his own entrails, now THAT is metal.
More metal than WH40K
@@kacperkonieczny7333 ?
@@nelleneulmer5385 Warhammer 40k
@@kacperkonieczny7333 okay. I don’t know anything about Warhammer except that it is a game.
Literal Guts lmao
I love Eros and Psyche! I actually want to write a romance novel about it, I think it could be fun
@19:14 Nope, Red was a math major, not a literary major. She just read a lot as a kid.
I mean there is a second reason why fate gave Atalanta cat features, in the legend she and her husband did that nasty in one of Zeus's temples which pissed him off royally. So as punishment Zeus decided to turn the two of them into lions.
I mean, most places would require a regency until the monarch reached 18. It was common to not receive full legal rights until 18+.
This MOST be the OG Beauty and the Beast & maybe Cinderella that eventually went trough a couple centurys of tellings and turn in to folktales
Red is a math major but I believe she went to UChicago which has an i famously famous and hard core curriculum every student has to do.
Chicago? I knew she was in the midwest somewhere, but are you sure?
@@DDlambchop43 It's an educated guess, based on stuff Red and Blue have mentioned in the podcast or during streams like it having a heavy common-core curriculum, it was in a midwest city, and the school's students being known for their masochist streak.
"Also training under Scáthach is the warrior Ferdiad, who becomes close buds and battle-brothers with Cú Chulainn..."
"How does he kill him?"
Okay, that was funny.
You want murder? Try OSP Medea, the answer is always murder.
Also OSP Amaterasu and the cave is really funny!
And funnily enough involves another incident of distracting the central character with boobs!
27:40 the word "Dragon" comes from the Greek "Drakon" meaning serpent.
aphrodite is actually probably one of the least (intentionally) harmful gods in the pantheon, if you look for love, and are not a complete cellar gremlin, she's perfectly willing to help you out, but if you're single and REFUSE to mingle, that's a personal affront to her.
in modern interpretations she's perfectly chill with asexuals but don't you dare be aromantic.
6:30 Cu Alter in FGO is basically in a permanent, semi-active warp spasm
40:17 small correction (and it is in the ending), but she and her husband were turned into lions by Zeus (at least in some versions)
30:00 or it can be more like “what do you expect the queen of the underworld would put in a box if not death. What else do you expect to be in the box. And what kills a mortal may not kill a god”.
Ah yes the Eros and Phyche video. Argubly one of their bigest hits and what sky rocked their channel growth and popularity when it came out from what Red and Blue have said in videos. Honestly I find that part of their channe history really intresting cause people were drawn in by the video (with its amazing visuals, Reds way of story telling, comedy and the fact its about Love) and stayed because at that point OSP had a massive backlog of videos for people to go though.
There's a classic fairy tale called "East of the Sun, West of the Moon" which is basically the Eros and Psche story only all the gods are replaced with trolls.
For interested I recommend "The tale of Cu Chullain" by miracle of sound. It's 8 minute rendition of this story in form of celtic folk metal
A man of culture I see
Believe it or not what happened with Morgan and Cu Chulainn was Morgan fell in love with Cu and he kept rejecting her advances so eventually she got mad at him and cursed him to lose in his next battle because one of her duties as a goddess was to control the tides of battle and decide who would win and who would lose so she was the thirsty one
A whole LOT of Greek myth can be summed up as, "Unfortunately, Zeus was horny..."
The reason why Atalanta has cat features in FGO is because one of the Greek gods turned both her and her husband into lions for some reason.
Zeus did it. They were having a little too much fun in one of his temples so he turned him into a lion and her into a lioness, because the thought at the time was that lions only mated with leopards. He was planning on permanently separating them as punishment.
@@kylajensen1957 I like to imagine Hera pointed out that he turned them into a male and female of the same species and accomplished nothing just to rub it in.
There's a reason UBW Abridged is totally on point when they say "he's pretty much Irish Hercules". As for him having a chariot AND driver, first up, chariots have been a thing for a long time, I mean, pretty simple thing, and I'm pretty sure the first noteable army that used them historically was the Hittites, who had beef with the Egyptians about +1000 BC, so yeah, really old stuff. As for why he needed a charioteer to drive him around... it's not that efficient or easy to drive a chariot one-handed while trying to stab your opponent with presumably a speer, both are tasks you'd probably want to dedicate 2 hands to.
The thing with why Medb declared war against Ulster also was actually a bit more complicated, afaik, and has to do with Fergus (yes the Fergus that wants to bang anything that moves in FGO) and the story of Naoise and Deirdre, basically Naoise and Deirdre were a couple, King of Ulster wanted Deirdre, ordered his soldiers to bring her to him, Fergus ended up being the one to do it iirc, but he was so discontent with the entire situation because Naoise ended up dead, so he defected to Connacht, and when the time came, he spurred her just that little bit more to declare war on Ulster because he was still bitter about that. Also got to remember that Medb was probably something closer to a goddess or fairy as well. So... yeah, the story was probably about a bit more than just a cattle raid for one bull.
Note to how the Gae Bulg is used, usually there's also the condition that it has to be launched while standing in a stream of water, possibly because the thing is carved from the bones of a sea monster.
Also, I know that the question of what Cu Chullain tied himself to that rock with didn't come up, but generally, it was supposedly his guts... thus we get to Battle Continuation in FGO being called Guts... since the first one to really bring this standard kind of Battle Continuation to Fate was Cu in Stay Night.
As for Atalante... her beating Achilles dad in a wrestling match is why Achilles calls her "older sister" in Fate/Apocrypha, because supposedly he heard stories of Atalante from his dad.
I... also don't remember if Red just didn't mention it in this video or if you skipped it at the end there, but part of the reason Atalante is a catgirl in Fate is because at least in some versions of the story, either because she broke her vow of chastity to Artemis, or because they got it on in a temple of Zeus for their first time, or possibly both, Atalante and her new husband got turned into Lions... because the Ancient Greek believed male and female lions didn't reproduce together... so that's why Atalantes hair more so resembles a mane, to bring in lion-aspects, even if female lions technically don't have a noteable mane.
Also, the reason she ran after the apples is less so just because "ooh, shiny", but also because golden apples are considered something extremely precious in Greek Myth, I mean, it was even one of Heracles' labors to steal some of them, and he had to get Atlas to help him because they were guarded by a dragon. So... not something you'd want to lose, hence why Atalante was drawn to pick them up. So... it's generally argued wether Atalante really would've been fine losing to a guy using tricks like that, especially considering her vow of chastity, and if their relationship was really as consentual as depicted by Red.
"I geek out. I rarely do it" Press X to doubt
Chariots were a 2 person deal. One to drive and one to fight
yeah there are dragons in Greek Myth there was one in the story of Jason that guarded the Golden Fleece in Colchis.
The Eros and Pysche video is literally what lead me to find OSP. I remember it kept getting recommended to me on UA-cam and I sat down to watch it and had such a fun time. I ended up looking through their channel for other videos of the myths series in one night and became a subscriber and have been ever since 😊
it's a weird day when the one shot version of cu from freaking GARGOYLES is less lore accurate than the fate version
2:48 No, it's actually pretty similar to Norse mythology. Snorri Sturluson (author of the Prose Edda) also tried to pass the Æsir off as ancient aliens/Trojans (that was the trend in medieval "national" historiography, to copy the Romans and the Æneid). I do believe it was more insistent with Celtic mythology because the authors were literally missionaries who also got there sooner (5th century), while Snorri and the saga writers wrote a few centuries after Christianization, when the stories were still alive but there was less need to proselytize about "there's only one true God".
It is hilarious how multiple Christian historians writing local myths went with "Uuuhhhh... Trojans!".
"History of Kings of Britain" by Geoffrey of Monmouth that is one of the big causes of King Arthur being popular also has that.
@@gokbay3057 So does the "Chronicle of Fredegar" concerning the history of the Franks (then copied and adapted by all French chroniclers to justify the origins of France). He makes up a whole convoluted fanfiction backstory about his OC, Æneas' cousin Francion, who migrates north and founds a city called Sicambria between the Danube and the Rhine. Then, centuries later, his made-up descendant Pharamand becomes the first king of the Franks, and his line goes down to real historical people like Clovis who pretty much founds the Frankish kingdom in the late 400s-500s.
25:27 They gods can not be killed by Mortals (and maybe each other), but they can but hurt (physically or otherwise) and feel pain. In the Iliad Ares was defeated by a stab to the gut, Aphrodite had a spear thrown through her hand which sent her to Olympus crying and Hera best Artimes wit tge Huntress’s own bow until it broke.
The Gods are Immortal and *relatively* immune to harm… definitely more tanky than any mortal… but they are not *invulnerable* or *immune* to *pain.*
37:47 “Atalanta… I don’t feel good.”
16:39 while impractical aiming wise you legs are usually stronger muscles so it makes sense
I'd greatly suggest watching some of Blue's videos or the trope talks too. I know you've watched the Pope Fights, but OSP is a gold mine of easy-to-understand literary and historical summaries and analysis. Plus they're funny. Sometimes.
Actually Airier the main reason Atalanta has lion ears and a tail in FGO, and fate as a whole is that in some versions of her myth she was blessed by Artemis with the stipulation she remain unmarried and verginal like Artemis herself for the rest of her life. When Atalanta lost her foot race and married Melanion/Hippomenes Artemis was furious and turned them into lions as punishment for Atalanta for not remaining true to her oath. Fate plays off that telling
Interesting fact… the commandment is “no gods *before* me” implying that you’re allowed other Gods as long as they don’t get top billing.
I haven’t read them in the original Biblical Hebrew yet, though so I could be totally wrong.
34:14 Atalanta defeating Peleus in a wrestling match is actually a plot relevant point in Fate/Apocrypha. Achilles looks up to her and calls her "sister" (with the same combination of term and honorific that yakuza use when addressing senior female members of their organization) because his father told him how amazing Atalanta was (when she defeated him in wrestling, when hunting the Caledonian boar, and when part of the crew of the Argo [because remember, in Fate she was part of Argonauts]).
... Airier, you know that Ireland is one of the British Isles, right? It's not a fantastical otherworld on some different plans of existence. Only some of it is.
Edit: also the word dragon is literally Greek in origin.
Sarcastic productions has a lot of Halloween themed horror novel analysis. Look forward to seeing you react to them.
Yeah celtic and gaelic names can be a bit of a challenge for a modern english speaker, when I researched the origin of my family name it turned out it developed from the "MacAodh" clan, "Aodh" being pronounced "Hughie" somehow.
And I feel okay sharing that because there are a bunch of modern family names that are derived from it :P
Now that you mention it here's a thought maybe there used to be an even spread good and bad end greek stories but the Library of Alexandria burned down and we lost most of them. And the tragic ones survived better presumably because they were passed down more as cautionary tales. Its a little more important to make sure your kids understand not to piss off the gods which is more easy to do with scary stories than fluffy ones.
I would suggest the story of anasi, probably spelled wrong. It’s a cool African story where a spider steals all stories
Don’t worry about it. The FGO thing is a meme _already._
I always thought in regards to the "casually fixes the whole dead thing," in Eros and Psyche's myth that, probably, Eros low-key reminds Hades it's because of one of his arrows he fell for Persephone, or Hades feared Eros's wrath and got a favor out of him in exchange for reviving Psyche. It's just what made sense to me. 😂
One person in the comments of the original video put it best… Cu Cuchulainn I basically war-Jesus. Son of (a) God, is liked by most, willingly puts his life on the line for others, dies attached to something and had a short life, even for the time.
Also if you want more tts content, there is a number of tts adjacent content by individual members if the Alfabusa crew, like Stringstorm, Karl the Deranged, Eliphas the Inheritor, 40k Theories, ThunderPsyker, Zorin the Bear, and Vindicare Assassin, among others.
And if you want more Warhammer content checkout Five(ish) minute lore and Mistakes of the Emperor, both by Old Man, as well as anything by PancreasNoWork, MajorKill, and Arch. They all four make great content that is both informative and entertaining.
It seems most of Airier's knowledge of mythology comes from FGO...
Also, fun fact: the "ropes" Cu Chulainn used to himself up to the stone were his own intestines.
😶😮🤢
Yup. Mythology is hard core
Regarding Atalante's cat traits in FGO, it's both from that anecdote and what happened after the race in some tellings of the story, likely added at some point to keep a Greek female hero from getting a happy ending and to discourage stepping out of gender roles.
In some later versions, when Hippomenes and Atalante consummate their marriage, Hippomenes forgot to do a proper sacrifice to Aphrodite after winning the race, and she made him and Atalante go crazy with lust in front of a temple to Zeus, and both and Artemis took umbrage to the sacrilege (Atalante losing her virginity was bad enough to her, but doing it in front of Zeus's face?), and the gods cursed them to turn into lions. According to those tellings, it was said that the Greeks belived that lions could not mate with their own kind, only leopards, meaning Atalante and Hippomenes could never again enjoy marital bliss with each other.
Red mentions this offhand in the credit reel.
In FGO, Atalante at some point hints that she is not entirely sure if this happened or not, likely as a nod to the fact that the whole thing is disputed to this day as anything but an abrupt addition to the story that didn't completely take but is known. Much like how Innocent Monster can add things to a Servant.
In European knights, i think the youngest, you were considered an "adult/fully trained knight" was 21 years old. So using that logic, being a "full adult" was early 20's/ finished your trade training.
So being 17 years old, and being considered a child, isn't that big of a stretch.
Heck, young brides/child, were mainly for Royalty/big contracts. Because even the ancient times recognized that women/teens had a better survival rate after 18 years old.
Plus the fact, that a child/ teen was still the property of the father until marriage, well, more hands on deck, more money/food harvested.
Atalanta's myth doesn't have a happy ending, she and her boy toy ended up turned into lions.
Is that really a downside?
The idea was ancient Greeks didn’t thinks lions slept together, but they do, so they’re still in love, they just don’t have to deal with society anymore. With the way Red’s portraying it, this doesn’t even change the family dynamic, because they kept her bear mom around. So now the family is a bear, some hunters, and two lions. 😊
@@Levsa399 Oh yeah because they thought they were different species because of the lack of mane.
There is a joke about Fate needing to stay accurate after using their liberties on Rule63.
FGO does not censor Cu Chulainn's warp spasm or his character. Fate alludes at several places that a non-Alter Berserker Cu would be exactly that, him in full Riastrad, which would be way to dangerous, so much like Rider Nero it is something to be avoided.
IIRC Fate Cu does still have his warp spasms, but he can only have them when summoned as a Berzerker (not the alter version though)
I mean.. If you really think about it.. Zeus really wasn't up to his usual shenanigans of trying to bone with Psyche... because Eros was out of commission and Aphrodite had him locked away.
Without him around Zeus can (for once) not be horny.
So, did your school not include any classics in its lit studies program? That’s unexpected.
Eros and Psyche is for sure my favorite Greek myth and is the OG "Beauty and the Beast" trope hehe. So many fairytales use things from this story, including the original Beauty and the Beast tale by the Brothers Grimm. Probably one of the few times Zeus isn't a dick lol.
You cut off the last one too early, you missed the part where they bang in a temple and get turned into lions become the Greeks thought lions couldn't mate with each other.
And this is the real reason that Atlanta has cat features in the Fate franchise.
Remember Nasu is a big history and myth nerd.
18:45 Eros and Psyche (Greek myth)
Fun facts about ages that were considered adulthood throughout history: In pre Holy Roman Empire times the Germanic peoples that Rome was in contact (and a loooooot of conflict) with on average got married at 20 because before then they weren't considered adults. So the idea of age of consent as a concept is around 2k years old. In wider Europe I mean, 'cuz I'm not speaking for other places where I don't know what's what and when.
Additionally most of the wilder age gaps and younger ages of marriage are usually just contracts between noble houses that threw in a marriage to a daughter to solidify alliances or to exchange hostages in order to affect peace between each other, which are pretty important records hence why theses practices are more widely known and misinform public perception of the topic.
Peasant folk by and large pretty much always married between ages 16 and 25 in Europe, consummation and subsequent pregnancy usually was relegated to 18 and up due to that happening to a girl several years younger than that usually resulted in the death of both mother and child and menarche was happening later in one's life until we reach the era of post-industrialisation in Europe, on average between 16-19 the higher ranges being older developmental tendencies.
So yeah.
Relatedly, content warning for dark shit from the Now times:
The creepy child bride practices in the US and other places are often a relatively recent development and the even more toxic anti-abortion movement's talking points are an ahistorical invention by the Catholic Church to oppose women's equality, this then got appropriated by racists who wanted to crack down on interracial marriage while not *saying* that's what they're cracking down on with a heaping bonus of also being anti-feminist.
Did you read the post scriptum in the credits about Atalanta? The main reason she has those cat features in FGO is because in some versions of the tale Hippomenes and Atalanta banged in a sanctuary shortly after their marriage and were turned into lions. As a Servant she retains some of those feline features when summoned.
You accidently added an ironmouse video to your undertale animation playlist
I vote he should have more Ironmouse videos, if doesn't have any already.
@@jarvisball1569 nah I mean it's just a video by ironmouse not one of his own
Oops. Thanks for the heads up. 😅
@@Airier no problem mate
Maybe the box contained "beauty sleep."
Ayyyyyyyy
Yes "brotherly love" in a historical way! If you get that reference I love you
Beowulf fought a dragon at the last part of his story. He lost badly though.
I might be wrong but I think Red's major was mathematics
You know I'm finding it funny that while fgo has its ludicrous moments with mythology there's stuff that....shockingly enough they actually do make a connection to the source material or materials in the case of mythology. So yeah scathach throwing the gae bolg via a kick is lore accurate not just fan service, though to be fair it's fgo scathach it is hard to tell cause fan service with her isn't even difficult to make.
have you checked the stories of Utgard-loki and Lokis wager?
Apparently Warp Spasm Cu is Berserker Cu. And I don't mean Cu Alter, ACTUAL Berserker Cu is (according to Cu Alter's Interlude) stronger than the Alter. That and the fact it's pure unadultert rage without reason unlike other Berserkers like Herakles makes him prime Material for Grand Berserker.
14:05 I mean, the greeks considered anyone ballow 30 as not a man yet
31:37 Artimis
Right so, Red kinda completely made up most of the Atalante myth after Hippomenes shows up. On the basis that she wanted to, which REALLY sucks because then people who don't actually know the myth believe it since she's otherwise reasonably credible.
To quote Red herself later in the Persephone video "This is cite-o-genesis in action."
In actuality, the golden apples Aphrodite gave Hippomenes were enchanted to fascinate anyone who saw them. Atalante didn't get distracted by shiny or decide to let him win. He straight up cheated to win. Forcing her to marry a man who she didn't want to and then break her vows of chastity to Artemis. Made somewhat worse as in some versions a big reason for that is that Atalante was prophesized to be doomed should she wed. So already not great all around.
Then things got worse because Hippomenes forgot to THANK Aphrodite for her help bagging his unwilling wife, so she cursed them to bone in another gods temple. Which the gods punished by turning them both into lions on the basis that the ancient Greeks thought lions could only mate with jaguars for some reason. In essence they were turned into animals and cursed to never bone again.
So... yeah they absolutely did not live happily ever after either. And that curse is why Atalante has lion features in fgo. Not because shiny, but because she was literally transformed into one at the end of her myth.
No, Red is not a major in literature. Her major is in math.
What a coincidence because I just got done with a quiz about which Japanese Demon you were. One of the questions was about how you would die, and a lady's bare chest was an option in death.
Greek gods can be wounded, they just can't be slain, although they can be nothinged if no one does the things anymore that they hold providence over.
that's the American Gods rule. Or is there other reference?
@@DDlambchop43 In the various stories the Olympian gods have been wounded. In the Iliad Aphrodite gets stabbed through the arm and Ares gets his belly run through. When Zeus fought Typhon, it overpowered him, ripped the tendons out of his body and hid them under a rock.
The closest to an Olympian god dying is in one of the stories of Perseus when he showed the Titan Atlas Medusa's head and he turned into a mountain.
fate's atalanta has cat ears because in a version of the myth she and her husband get turned into lions
5:30 It would be about 2 ¼ years. So 2 years and 3 months
FGO does bring up but that is a thing generally only normal berserker Cu gets because servants are only a small part of the legend of the heroic spirits(land, recognition and the magic energy of master can all improve that) Cu is one of the two example of how he would get things like a castle, chariot, protection of sleeplessness and so if summoned in Ireland would have more even if just in western Europe
it kind of varies why the three Geas that was placed on Cu some that caused him to kill him some it is revenge, some cu asked
He basically refused to be thirst with morigion so she decided to mess him up
Yep Fate is kind of funny sometime Fanservice and this is how it is described(like the whole Artemis being basically sex on legs is brought up when Aura decides it is a good ideal to insult how much of a woman Artemis is and how a boy like body like Aura is better)
"Artemis, you only have the name of a virgin maid, because your rounded breasts are full and soft, a woman's breasts like the Paphian, not a man's like Athena, and your cheeks shed a rosy radiance! Well, since you have a body like that desirous goddess, why not be queen of marriage as well as Kythereia (Cytherea) with her wealth of fine hair, and receive a bridegroom into your chamber? If it please you, leave Athena and sleep with Hermes and Ares. If it please you, take up the bow and arrows of the Erotes (Loves), if your passion is so strong for a quiver full of arrows. I ask pardon of your beauty, but I am much better than you. See what a vigorous body I have! Look at Aura's body like a boy's, and her step swifter than Zephyros (the West Wind)! See the muscles upon my arms, look at my breasts, round and unripe, not unlike a woman. You might almost say that yours are swelling with drops of milk! Why are your arms so tender, why are your breasts not round like Aura's, to tell the world themselves of unviolated maidenhood?’ "
17 years old being not a kid but not quite grown up yet isn't all that uncommon. I'm not sure on actual Celtic practice but I know for Romans while a boy left childhood and could do things like join the army at age 16 he also wasn't a full adult yet. His father or next adult male relative would still handle all monetary and busniess affairs. Also most Roman boys wouldn't typically marry until after their first beard shaving around 18 to 20. So while a teenager would be expected to carry their own weight to a point people seem to recongnize teenagers are still not ready for a lot things yet and thus not fully an adult.
So recap: Psyche betrayed Eros trust and decided to use the quest item on herself instead of fufilling the quest and giving it back to Persefone like she agreed then was rewarded for it even though she learned nothing and is still the same selfish treacherous untrusting one. Did I get it right?
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Actually from what I heard, homosexuality wasn't as common place back then as we thought. The channel Mettatron this subject and it's rather interesting.
The same Mettatron who in his video put the meme of “I don’t care as long as it’s two consenting adults and not shoved in my face,” but played seriously?
I'd watch the Trope Talk on Dragons if I were you.
they have dragon in greece? well i recall madea helped jason with a snatch something from a dragon.. madea helped sleep the dragon, jason succeed
Nice episode.