Porsche 911 C4S (992) FIRST DRIVE - bigger, but is it BETTER?
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- Porsche 911 C4S (992) FIRST DRIVE - bigger, but is it BETTER?
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You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, and so this week Damian gets his hands on the brand new 2019 Porsche 911 992 C4S - the very latest sports car from Zuffenhausen.
This controversial Porsche features a brand new gear shifter, a retro-inspired interior, sculpted body with a much larger integrated rear wing, it’s turbo-charged, and it’s even bigger than the previous 911! Lots to talk about, then. Enjoy.
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“The benefit of the ceramic brakes is that they’re yellow and match the colour of the car” - a man who knows his priorities
VRSProductionsInc 😂😂😂😂
VRSProductionsInc ceramic brakes (PCCB) are NOT needed unless one is a chronic, habitual track rat.
@@ronstopfer2315 tbh even for on track they're not great cause replacing the pads is very expensive
A bad option as they cost as much as brand new cheap car to replace. Around 20,000 dollars plus.
extremely expensive brakes
I own a 991.2 C2GTS and recently tested a 992 C4S since the dealer were offering a very good trade-in deal. I like the looks of the 992, except for the glossy plastic and that strange PDK gear selector (they should have just gone for all buttons) in the interior. But the engine noise kills it for me. Besides everything sounding chocked it also missing that rushing intake noise up top. Another thing is that the PDK is set up more for comfort rather than sharp changes, it is actually rather noticeable when you are going through the gears manually.
The most dividing change for me is the steering feel, I can tell that the front will be able to corner faster, but there is something lost in terms of the enjoyment I get out of it. I do not want to use words like it feels disconnected or less responsive. So I will go with the description that it is less enjoyable if that makes sense.
There needs to be a more clear leap in performance for these compromises to make sense to me. Hopefully the electrification to the power-train coming with the 992.2 will offer just that. It is clear to me that the transmission and the car overall is designed to handle more weight, power and torque, so my hopes are high for 992.2.
Marcus better review than the car guys 😂
Since I recently bought a 991.2 and will not be capable of 'upgrading' for several years, I'm glad to read your preference here 🙂
What do you mean when you say: they should have just gone for all buttons??
One day soon I will own a Porsche !
I’ve ordered a C4S, Guards Red, highly optioned, 4-wheel steering, etc. Delivery date in Kansas City Porsche is Sep 1st. Can’t wait! Great review, mate!
Lucky you, enjoy 😍😍😍
Hell yeah!
My_Supercar_Life no sunroof. I have one in my current 911 and I never use it.:-)
Still waiting for my C4S. It’s sitting in Houston awaiting certification on the California Air Resources Board. COME ON, HOUSTON! By the way, does anyone have any clever ideas for a name for this fantastic Porsche?
Wait 1st September ? That’s today. Congratulations mate well done you better never sell this car.
I always slow for horses, as not to scare the animal. However, I wish the riders would take some responsibility for the manure they leave behind. As a motorcyclist, I have nightmares about hitting some shit mid corner and going down. P.S awesome videos.
Another great video Damian. I’m getting into Porsche’s and great seeing this review of the 992. I’m keen. I like yellow too. 👍
Thanks for the horse passing advice 🐴😂
Lovely review. Many thanks from across the pond!
A proper start to my Saturday morning, your channel is always the first stop after checking e mails and you deserve many more followers. Well done. Great car as well, I almost forgot to say!
Thanks, Pete - that’s great to hear
Great video. Love the yellow. Also nice watch!😎
I think Porsche are deliberately reducing the exhaust sound so that when they introduce the electric 911 it doesn’t become a step to far?
Good theory 👍
GR8FORU I think the sound has to do with the particulate filtering system.
Well normal modern 911's have never sounded phenomenal have they?
Great commentary as always Damian, insightful, tight, great overview of car and with that cheeky humour. Perfect, and thank you!
You are most welcome, Glad you liked it
The touch screens look great and high tech but the reality is that they are difficult (and some would say dangerous) to use while driving. Oh, BTW, good vid. Now waiting for a more in-depth analysis and track thrashing :) New sub.
Welcome to the channel, Ziggy
Great video, everything was fine, great details, quality, the opinion sounds objective, but to be honest what forced me to comment, was what you said about horses, and the fact that you slowed down when encountering a horse on the road. That's something that my dad always told me to do. You've got yourself a new subscriber (and I hope a whole lot more others) .. .
Huzzah!
Fantastic review. I used to own a 991.1 C4S in Racing Yellow and I still love the colour for this particular 911. Totally agree - go for a more radical colour; the car deserves it!
These new sound laws are taking all the fun away... We will end up living in a fully controlled joyless world.
What is the point?
Probably because of all those bearded millennials straight piping their exotic and making a ruckus downtown ruining it for everyone else.
Cheers
@@ruststar yes, but this kind of logic is absurd. Because you can't catch the 5% that does this, everyone must pay. It is always the easy way and it means that u cant do ur job correctly
You will own nothing, and you will be happy😉
Thank you Damon! An honest view of a potential owner, testing a new 911.... i don't know why I spend thousands over the years on car magazines? This review gave me a far better impression of all articles I've read so far, about my all time favourite sports car. Please keep it going.... really enjoying this channel - cheers!
Thanks, Chris
Best 992 review of them all. "never ending move toward obesity" lol
Like all us Americans
Great video again guys 👍
I’m not a Porsche person, but I’m starting to be with this, thanks Car Guys.
👍👍👍
Great review. Interesting honest and enjoyable. That shifter is a little unique... I like your enthusiasm for the brand. Thank you.
Awesome vid! This is probably my 10th review video of the 992... and some new stuff here. Bonnet "issue", muted sound... very good point, colors, key,... and it gave me a sort of feel for the 992.. some negative stuff too that I had not picked up before. Cheers and keep it up!
You are most welcome, Ivar - glad you liked it
Nothing wrong with this car being a bit of a grand tourer. I think that's a big plus, actually. And if you're going to road trip it, might as well have a quieter exhaust note too. If you really have to have a louder exhaust, that's probably an easy and quick mod too. Thanks for posting this video, I enjoyed it and learning about this car immensely.
Thanks Damian, really interesting to hear what you thought. I'm a 911 addict, so will always find a reason to love them. From what I've seen, I think I prefer the look of the two sets of twin tailpipes vs the new, larger singles . . . but hey, yet again, Porsche engineering reigns supreme.
Excellent, Honest Analysis - Subscribed!
Unfortunately, I’m a mug that ordered the C4S in GT Silver 😔
I still think it will look the business
So envious!!!!! hope you'll get it soon!
And you call yourself deep blue...
deep blue lol me too man agreed
Lol
😂The interior is blue....
I have watched this video three times while waiting for my 992 Targa 4S. Excellent video, as usual.
Cool, cheers - hoped it helped
I really quite like your sense of humour and candid assessment. Thank you, the tongue and cheek attitude keeps the video fresh. Not to mention I value your proper articulation of the actual value and analysis of the automobile. Was surprised to hear you would purchase the 911.
Thanks, Tony
Great review
My favourite Porsche dealership as well, but I do work next to if 👍
Great, honest review. The quality is some of the best I’ve seen in a car. Great colour choice, that yellow really works well on the 992.
So is one going to join the collection ?.
Great review Damian 👍
Had trouble concentrating on the car due to the wonderful presence of the special edition Omega Speed-master on the wrist.
Actually thought that the engine noise sounded quite nice considering that it is turbo charged.
Loved the idea of ordering one in a classic 1970’s colour.
Nice video what do you prefer your 911.2 Touring or the 992you drove.
Thanks
Great review!
You are so lucky! We do not even have the 992 here in Colorado. Vehicle Virgins just did a video on a yellow 2003 Porsche Turbo X-50 and it had Yellow seatbelts. I laughed when you said you had not seen them just because she complained about how hard they were to clean. Great job. Really like you channel. Nice job. UA-cam needs mire channels like yours. Thanks. Heidi
Thanks, Heidi
I went to go subscribe... again. Your reviews are so good.
Cheers! 👍👍👍
Really like the retro inspired touches. The chiseled cheekbones and bonnet creases are cool, but I especially like the rearcend details in particular the way they have handled the Porsche lettering, sort of architectural and a bit deco. Thanks for the informative review. Shame about the lack of engine noise.
I think we’ll start to see 918 hybrid tech trickling down through the range so I wouldn’t let your collies wobble too violently.
As elder brother to two equestrian sisters, thanks for the horsey advice.
Going to Biscester on Sunday?
Looks like Porsche is finally starting to find their feet in styling this car.
Another brilliant and honest review. I love how you just stay focused on the cars. We all know you’ll buy one of these anyway. Shame about the noise though
Bloody good video. Thank you
Definitely in a Porsche frame of mind lately, it seems. Which is fine. I love the colour, even the seat belts. You're right- 911s need to be in a colour that rips your eyeballs out and it certainly beats charcoal grey or silver. I wish the market wasn't so SUV focused- I would love to see Porsche make more cars than just 911 variants. Does anyone else miss the 944? I even miss the 928 S4, even though design elements of the 928 have been infused into other Porsches- like the Cayenne and Panamera, the styling only ever looked good on the 928. Great video, thanks!
really enjoyed this review, keep em coming Damian
Thanks, Neil
What color is your car? Couldnt resist. 911 is definitely a GT cruiser. Love the look, but hate the size. Porsche has done me a favor and my bank account thanks them. 997 is the last 911 IMHO. Largest a 911 should ever be. Even then it was getting porky. Ceramics are absolutely amazing. Nice car, but not for me. Will keep my 997 gt3 and 993 c4s. Perfect combo and will add a 997 turbo next in manual. Thanks for the video.
If I had those cars, I would keep them too. 👍
Thanks for the honest review! Good job!
GREAT review ... Car and Driver just road tested the C4S at 2.8sec 0-60 .. that's faster off the line than a Performante or 488 GTB.
Now those two will get you in the 1/4 mile or on the track of course but for a car I can drive comfortably back and forth to my office each day ??
Sublime brilliance
I'm getting one ... in Yellow :)
thanks Car Guys !!
Thanks
Great (balanced) vid. The 911 has become the Honda Fireblade of the sportscar world .. maybe a bit too 'safe', but every mutli-car garage needs one because it 'does what it says on the tin' all day every day .... and if budget allows there's always the GT cars to give you the extra buzz. Will be chopping in my 991.2 tS as long as the 992 tS isn't hybrid …… :(
Great Video Damian.
Thank you very much 👍
I must of missed this video ! Love the Yellow and those Alloys.
Sweetest looking 911 since 993 they finally nailed the rear end🤭 continues the German trend of bigger more power and less engaging cars. Nice indoors but it doesn’t pull at the heart strings.
Would love to see your choice of your arm pieces more in the videos, love your work.
Great video as usual. Did that car have the sports exhaust fitted? Also, what was its total list? Likely to be $120,000+ with all those options. Personally, I’d wait for the Turbo S. That’ll be a total nut job
Nice car. Nice watch too.
Nice review! How would you compare a 488 with a 992? (driving, steering, reliability, grip...) Thanks and keep up the great work!
Yo are so right about having a 911 in a bright, bold colour. It will be interesting to hear your views on the Turbo/Turbo S and Gt models when they arrive!
Your channel has shot all the way to the top of my list. LOVE you guys and your awesome content! We would be great friends in real life
You are so right about the color. I just saw the new 992 in silver at my local dealer in the states. I hate to call it boring but it is. I just had my 991.1 S wrapped in safari gold. It just transformed the car. I really enjoy your channel.
👍👍 Good call, sir
"My favorite Porsche dealer....." respect for not deleting that!
Gratuitous wrist shot lol! I figured you watched my x1 video...
Another great video! I'm sure it's a great car but I'd rather have a 991.2 Carrera with a manual gearbox. I don't think the 992 looks as good and that travel Braun shaver for a gear selector looks pants!
Mark Roberts 992 all day long!
Thanks Damian - great review and nice to hear genuine honesty from a reviewer, instead of fawning praise: Porsche have an almost impossible task with the 911 - I mean, how do you improve a car that dynamically has led it's sector for so long, without improving its performance capability, at the expense of accessible entertainment?
Like you, I love some of the historic styling cues that have been included on the 992 and technically it's a superior car to the 991 in quite a number of areas but with each generation, something is gained but a small piece of '911ness' is lost.
I'm a massive Porsche fan and a 911 owner but despite my initial excitement over the 992, I'm in no hurry to 'upgrade' from my 991.1 C4S, which for me combines everything I currently want from a 911 - it drives superbly, is more than fast enough, provides a wonderful soundtrack from its naturally aspirated engine and is far more practical than most people would think.
Perhaps in 5 years time the 992 will seem exciting by reference to the anodyne cars of the future but right now I wish Porsche had followed Alpine's approach in certain areas and pared back the 992, to reveal more of the unique nature of the 911: I'm not talking about a stripped out GT car but something that uses technology to deliver purity, instead of adding a layer of complexity.
I admire all the technical wizardry of the 992 but prefer having a NA soundtrack, 5 real guages and a proper PDK lever, instead of a Braun shaver.
I completely agree with your Alpine comment, Mark - that’s exactly what Porsche should look to do - maybe a new T/R model that dumps weight and luxury, but keeps safety.
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Yes, unfortunately though the R was truly great, it was just too rare for most of us to consider and the 991.2 T was a great idea but didn't quite take the concept far enough in my opinion: I suppose my ideal 992 T would be 2S based with the new Wet Mode, have a smaller capacity NA engine (easier to use the revs more of the time on the road) - perhaps a sleeved down/simplified version of the GT3 block, 6 speed M/T - even if it limits top speed (or the new 8Sp PDK if not), standard PSE, PASM (compliant enough for a rough British B road), rear-axle steer, mechanical LSD, a set of the new PSCB, sensibly sized lightweight forged Fuchs style alloys (not too wide), steering feel borrowed dynamically from the GT cars, standard analogue guages (preferably green on black), manual cloth seats (but with lumbar adj - which should be standard) and the option for Pepita fabric 👍, PCM nav but basic air-con, lose weight wherever possible and dispense with as many of the electronic aids as can be lost safely.
Oh and give me the option for Signal Orange paint 😀
Couldn’t agree more after my testdrive - keep up the good work 💪
Huzzah!
How about a comparison 997 gt3 or RS vs touring vs 992 ! 992 achievement is that it almost turns in as good as the gt products - which is amazing as they only started with the 992
Nice car and good video love your car vlogs
Great review, but will stick with my 991.1 GTS for now as whilst I’m sure the 992 is a lot easier to drive quickly, I enjoy having to rev the normally aspirated to get the performance which on the road is what I want. My GTS feels special to me and like it rewards the better you drive it, I’m not sure the 992 is like that. Quicker and easier doesn’t mean better.
Sir Damian, excellent review as ever, but i would like to bring to your attention that there is another 'grand' 911 in the pipeline, due for delivery end of this year. A wonderful and purpose-built 911 Speedster, which looks absolutely fantastic. And completed with the optional and limited Heritage Design Package it's sure to be a future classic and worth the investment!
AND... it comes with a very exclusive Porsche Design watch... Your thoughts? Cheers!
Yes I’d like one. Sadly I’m not getting one. ☹️
Any videos on your watch collection?
Excellent Video! I might buy this one! I had the 991 turbo S, but it was a little dull. This I like I’m thinking about the convertible in black, what you think?
I actually think the convertible would look pretty mean in black, but generally I don’t like all black for this car
I was lucky enough to go to the Porsche Experience Centre at Silverstone last week. What an experience, what a brand! I can confirm I have caught the Porsche bug! Maybe a 997.1 Carrera 2s manual could be a worthy investment?
Yes I would say it is. I’ve also done Silverstone 👍
The car looks stellar in yellow. I would never think I would say that about a yellow car but it really looks the business
Doctor J I currently have a 911 Turbo in Speed Yellow, which I like. The Racing Yellow is a tad too bright for my eyes. But it was a consideration when I ordered my 992 in Guards Red.
Ok so here is my opinion: The interior is gorgeous, just love it! It's just what makes a Porsche better than other cars: perfection. It might not be as special as the interior of a Ferrari or an AMG GT, but everything is where it should be and the quality is outstanding. The exterior is great, but very similar to the 991, which is the best looking 911 ever made in my opinion. Also, I am not a fan of the wing. I would prefer a naturally aspirated engine, but I understand why they use the turbo one. Conclusion: I would prefer to have the first generation of the 991. For a realistic price of 80k € (germany) you get a nicely equipped, low milage 991 S. Sounds like the better deal to me (992 costs around 150k €).
Agreed
The piece of advice about horses is absolutely true. And even when you overtake horse trailers with horses in it you should shut noisy pipes and overtake gently. Prancing horses on a Ferrari or a Porsche (yes, the Porsche logo has a prancing horse in it, take a look) are fine, prancing horses on the road or on a trailer are horrible.
Excellent review. Thank you.
Thanks, Sealobo
Very good video 👍👍👍
It’s interesting what you say about the car being so capable and so good that’s it uninvolving. I came to a similar conclusion about a year ago (about modern cars) and I’m yearning for something a bit old and analogue. It’s as though some of the joy of actually driving has been lost in the search for absolute speed and handling ability. It’s like being given the Christmas present you’ve been asking for 11 months only to find it’s actually not what you wanted at all.
One thing that has advanced though, and this is all manufacturers (well maybe bar BMW), is interiors. Car interiors have improved immeasurably in the last 10 years.
I’m not a massive fan of touch screen everything though, part of me feels they are inappropriate for a car environment. It’s illegal to use a smart phone whilst driving, yet all the cars controls have been designed to mimic and work like a smart phone screen. I can’t help but feel some of it is a step too far and all the basic operations should be buttons that fall to fingertips without having to take your eyes off the road.
Great review though, I’m not a massive Porcshe fan, but this is the nicest 911 yet and if I wanted a sports car as a daily driver then I think you’d struggle to better one of these.
Good to see another vid. I don't like the gear wand :-) either! Its like a larger version of the controls for the temperature which is a bit weird. But a lovely car !
Wanted to love the new 992, but if anything, it's made me appreciate my current 991.2 C2S even more so.. I also have a new Cayenne and the interior tech which it shares with the 992 is great, but.. it somehow makes my 991 feel analogue now.. which is nice!
Did you have an analog feeling with your 991? Let's jump into a 993 or 996 please...
@@modernworldiscrap I've driven 964, 996, not 993, but I have to say I'm also not a huge fan of "older"cars, because in general, they're not always better to drive. There is a happy medium and for me personally it's the 991.2.
For that price I go for GT C roadster.
@@campkira Epic car, but.. I actually need 4 seats as I have two small children which means I can share the experience. Also, interior space in the rear of the 992 is no bigger than the 991 despite the increased dimensions. Irrelevant topic for most, but not for me.
It was a great review. Thanks a lot. I would buy this car as a GT because it has space, is anonymous, is (presumably) reliable, is comfortable etc. For weekends I'm a manual 981 Boxster type anyway.
Appreciate your view of this car. I think 991.2 will be a final version of analog and symphony of sound
You are not just a carguy
You are also a great watch guy
Patek Nautilus and nice Omega speedmaster
Great tastes man~
Thanks
Damien- you have become my favorite car reviewer. Well done.
Thank you, my friend
Articulate. Well thought out as usual. Great review. You surprised me there at the end - I don't think I'd get one. Nice Omega. Cheers
I love your unbiased reviews, even though you are a Porsche guy, you still highlight the bad points, I wonder how long it will take them to change the door handles
Sat inside the new 911! Amazing interior and overall performance! Can't wait to get mines soon! Jet Black Metalic in black with red belt and stitches
can’t wait to see your very own 992. why not pts yachting blue metallic?
Another great video.
I like the look of the 992 as well but not sure about the rear clam shell spoiler, I personally would prefer a fixed wing or bring back the ducktail of the 991.
Paul Snashall Waiting for my soon-to-be-delivered C4S. At first I. Wasn’t thrilled with the rear wing. But the more I see it, the more I like it.
We are growing. 😆 🦅🦅🇺🇸
Love your review. I have had many 911. Sold my gt3RS 997.2 Not keen on the 991 but this 992 starting to grow on me. Still have my 993 and the 718 GT4. Test drove the 992, i have to agreed you. Too distance, not enough noise and too comfortable now. I guess the rear wheel steering is a must for this long wheel base 992 GT cruiser. Btw I took my c63s to the Porsche and test drove the 992. I found my c63s is much firmer ride and sportier feel than the 992 S. So I decided to get the GT4 instead. Now I want to see how is the 992 GT3 and touring will be like. Cheers 🦅🦅🇺🇸
Great video as always.
Architecture of 992 clearly designed to underpin/enable smooth transition to EV.
Gratuitous speedmaster shot!!!! Nice
Always
Great insight, I hope Jason likes the steering wheel.
Shame it sounds pants and is bigger than the 991. I’m actually not panting to see the GT3 as it’s just too big for me to covet
this car is a piece of art. This the only car I will buy in yellow. What a beauty!!
Love how you always include a few shots focusing on your watches nowadays =^.^=
PS: And thanks for teaching people about proper horse passing etiquette! 💛
Great review 👍. The funniest moment for me was at 10:32 with the PDK comment. I have heard from the dozens of Taycan videos that I have watched numerous times from Porsche employees that the 911 will be the last car to Electrify. I can imagine some Hybrid action to bring down the 0-60 and improve the EPA figures to keep the environments happy.
Again an awesome review and a lovely car. I would personally go Taycan but that's just me.
Also I would think that you can turn off some of the stability control stuff to make the car more exciting, can't you?
Cheers, Rob
Excellent as always, I will be hanging onto my 991T however, I agree especially in 4S it’s almost to refined and resolved....however as yesterday I came round a blind corner in the pouring rain to have a fiat parked on wrong side of road with its arse sticking out...I was traveling to fast for conditions as I am an idiot....in my M4 I would be dead.....however I was in my Wife’s Golf R ....absolutely fantastic, stuck to road like a limpet...a lost to be said for 4 wheel drive security....my cream coloured linen trousers however...have a large brown rear end👌🏾
Amazing - loved that story. I would keep the T too
Great review Damian, once again very straight forward , enjoyable and informative review, I wish a number of other reviewers on UTube would take a a leaf out of the Car Guys book 👍
If they did - they’d have far fewer subscribers 😂😂😂
Very nice Damian - I guess they are saving the noise for the 992 GT3...................... Are you going to change?
One of the best reviews I have seen on this car. It is an honest and informative review. Well done and thank you. Quick question... you have talked about the disappointing exhaust note... would you say it is worse than the exhaust note of the 991.2? I do own a 991.2 Targa 4S and the exhaust note is my only complaint, but I was hoping the new car would at least improve on a very disappointing exhaust note... so is it worse or better or the same..... please let me know.... thank you... mark
I would say the exhaust note is worse/more refined/quieter than your car (which we reviewed a few weeks ago btw) - I actually liked the Targa exhaust note
TheCarGuys.TV Thank you for the quick answer. This is really disappointing, as I know Porsche can make the sound better as my 991.2 GT2 RS which has disappointing exhaust note, but still sounds so much better.. After watching your review, I would probably trade my manual 991.2 Targa 4S for new manual 992 Targa 4S, as I can’t stand the new PDK shifter, but definitely will explore getting an aftermarket exhaust or perhaps stop driving my 991.2 GT3 so I am not constantly reminded how bad the new car sounds... thanks again
Yes, I could force myself into this car. Currently I have a 2004 C4S in Speed Yellow. And my seat belts are yellow.
Very nice review, would you go for a nearly used 991.2 (targa ) gts or the new 992 4s ( convertible ) ?
Out of those two I’d go for the 991.2 Targa. But for 992s I’d take a 2S
An ever increasing march towards obesity.........I know the feeling! Great review as always, thanks Damian.
I knew someone would pick up on that 😀
Little Winky.....sounds like a school nickname from someone's past if ever ive heard one!😂 great review as ever" Big D"!!!!!😉
😂😂😂
Lovely colour, and great car.
If you choose a special 70's inspired paint scheme and wood trim, I think a classic style cloth seat trim would be an essential touch.