Post Mud Tavor: X95 Analysis and Detail Strip
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2017
- My relatively new Tavor X95 recently found itself covered with sticky Arizona mud, and the performance was both interesting and less than stelar. I pull it apart to clean the remnants out (a harder task than it should be) and to figure out where the failure points are.
See the mudding here: • Mud Test: X95 Tavor
And some notes as to the initial cleaning: • Mud Test AAR: Cleaning...
I do not want to give the false impression that I have any involvement with InRange. I shoot in Karl's monthly match, and lent them a rifle. Beyond that, my only connection is that I watch and enjoy their channel.
It is always nice to have friends who will put Your new rifle in dirt or mud ;-)
But for real, thank You for that test and this video! Not many guys will do that!
So it seems the ejection port design is the most critical fail point when it comes to mud. I suppose an outward swinging cover like on ARs could be designed and installed to mitigate that? On a side, why do AR fans hate on the X95 like they’re being personally attacked with these digs of how this and that are not as good? It’s like being offended because a truck is not as fast as a muscle car... who cares! They’re both excellent rifles and Im personally happy there’s a great bull pup option on the market, it can only push the technology forward imo
@@o8o8das Agreed on all accounts.
Oh man, it's was your Tavor that Karl trashed? DANG!!!!! You're very trusting. :)
-Jen
He took good care of it... I mean aside from dumping cement like mud all over it.
LOL!!!! It was an interesting test to watch.
Thanks for an extremely clear and detailed video! This is the third time (at least) that I have watched this video. It's my go-to for figuring out how to detail strip the X95.
Thank for supporting InRange !
Im glad you guys are "affiliated" !
You're chanel is also one of my favs !
Thank you, very much, but I do not want to give the false impression that I have any involvement with InRange. I shoot in Karl's monthly match, and lent them a rifle. Beyond that, my only connection is that I watch and enjoy their channel. Thanks again for your kind words.
Gun Sense (drmaudio) it was mighty sporting of you to let your tavor endure a "mud test" !
How about the p90 next? 😉
That would be tricky, as I can't just send it off with them. (I would have to be present, it being a SBR and all), but It would be easier to clean...
Gun Sense (drmaudio) why not a cameo !
Mud and gunk and sand, Oh my. Well detailed video. I'm really digging the green color. Just watched the mud video. Damn that was a lot of mud. Looked like failure on first shot was the blanket of mud not allowing the brass to eject. Like you said in your video, if you wipe it before firing it probably would have done better.
It's OD green (at least their version). I like it too.
Excellent video and great editing! Can't stand watching instructionals where every other word is "uh, uh,..." and it's 5min of a guy turning a screw driver. Very well done!
Thank you!
Enjoyed the detail my friend. Thanks for explaining the components of the firearm as well as the mechanics. Very informative!
Great video. I just purchased myself a x95. And it nice to see a very detailed explanation strip.
Very well detailed description of how you disassemble that rifle down to the last detail. Excellent and impressive job !!!! Not even IWI have done anything like it !!!!
I always wanted to see a detailed strip and cleaning after Inrange did one of their mud tests!
It is pretty impressive to see all the dirt and sand still in it even after a serious bath and rinsing.
No doubt. Here in AZ our soil is a mix of very fine sand and clay. It makes for a nasty mud that seems to migrate everywhere.
Thank you so much for this comprehensive breakdown. It's truly appreciated brother. 🤜🤛
Excellent and detailed video sir! Thank you very much for sharing!
I expected the usual mumbly disconnected video. This is refreshingly coherent. Thank you.
I might strive for a bit more, but I'll take coherent. Thank you.
Awesome disassembly of the Tavor X95 since today I’m expecting a call to pick up my X95.
Thank you for your video. Most gun channels get free stuff from the manufacturers and seldom provide much real information.
Great follow up and very much appreciated. You provided great insight into not only the mechanics of the x95 but reasons why it had issues during the mid test. Again great detailed video and I wish more people did this. Also from an accuracy standpoint, Tim on the ministry arms channel mentioned the plastics round slip/cover that's on the barrel whee it meets the handguard can be removed and should improve accuracy as it did in his. His thinking from what I recall is that the barrel can not free float.
Manticore arms makes a replacement haggard/top rail that dose free float the barrel.
Thank you so much for making this video!!
very interesting, and complicated, piece of machinery. when you pulled the barrel assembly out, you could actually see dust fall from it like opening an old book. thanks for the in depth video.
Thanks for watching! Yes, there was a lot of crap in there.
Thank you for going thru all that so I know not to drop mine in the mud 👍🏻👍🏻❤️❤️☝🏼👏👏👏 good job 👍🏻
Great descriptive video. Thanks...
Great video.
From a "prepper/long term SHTF" this is why the AK is still a top dog. Mud cleans out in 1 min easy.
Awesome information. Thank you! 🤘🤘🤘
Very informative, thank you for the great video!
Thank you for watching.
Nice follow up video. Thank you
Very nice video. I agree that it would be nice if the trigger and mag release bars were easier to get to.
The video has outstanding clarity of sound and picture quality. This will make it easier should I need to do a detail strip.
Thank you. Glad to be of service.
The InRange tests are fun and informative, but the guns aren’t subjected to the exact same conditions. For example, when comparing the AR and the X95 tests:
1. The mud for the AR test was very runny. The mud for the X95 was really thick. A lot of the mud for the AR just ran off while the X95’s mud stuck to the gun closer than spandex.
2. They seem to clear mud away more for some guns versus others. The first time they tested the AR, they banged the AR at least seven times in the wheelbarrow to shake mud off before they fired. For the X95 test, they barely shook any of it off at all. During the second AR run, 2:49 of that video, they cleared mud out of the ejection port area. They didn’t do that at all for the X95.
After watching the mudding video it really looks like if the gun was just shook once or a really quick wipe of the pound of mud over the ejection port would have stopped failures and the mud guy knowing to use rear mag release would have changed how that went.
One of my only Bullpups is a Kel-Tec RFB. Fantastic design. One of the best things Kel-Tec ever created and mucho simpler with fewer parts than this Tavor. I still hope to get a Tavor someday though.
What a pretty green mousetrap you got there... I'll stick with my CETME. Great video though and good on ya for letting Karl mud it.
I'm a big Bullpup fan. But WOW that thing is complex to take apart. My AUG would have been much easier to clean than that. Maybe I should mud test mine.
The field strip is as easy as it gets, but yes, a detail strip is a pain (though I probably made it look harder than it is). Fortunately, It's sealed up pretty well and the detail strip is not something you need to do very often.
You are the only video I've ever seen of someone taking one completely apart. I'm glad you did this video. I see now why IWI says changing the ejection side is an armory job. What do you think of the accuracy of the x95?
Ironically, switching the ejection side is really pretty simple. You swap the ejection port liner and shell deflector with the cover on the other side (a few bolds and a bit of gentle prying), then you field strip the bolt carrier. Once that is done, you have a roll pin you need to drive out and move to the other side, then just resemble with the left hand bolt. Perhaps people were either breaking their covers or messing up the roll pin, but I tried it just out of curiosity and anyone that can assemble an AR15 could do it in a few minuets. (Edited because SIRI miss-understood gentle to mean something completely different)
As for the accuracy, it is about on par with your average AK or rack grade AR, but not good compared to ARs in it's price point; about 2.5 MOA with standard ammo (xm193). I've only shot a few 5 shot groups with match ammo, so not really enough for a definitive opinion, but the few groups I shot were just under 2MOA with the best at 1.6MOA using Black hills 77grain, so it isn't a long range precision rifle, but it will get it done 0 to 300.
*time travel*
DO NOT MUD TEST YOUR AUG! InRange did it and it failed atrociously. It even deserved the prison hose shower
What a complex rifle, makes my RDB look as simple as an Axe. That said I'm a little jealous of the hand guard being supported by the body of the rifle instead of the barrel.
Great video
The charging handle slots could benefit from having spring loaded dust covers like those of the Galil ACE. Could have kept the mud out to a much better degree. But overall the rifle did okay to me, has a few things to keep in mind but overall a good rifle. As long as not too much gunk is on the ejection port it will be okay.
As the gas block is right there, they may have left it so open for the sake of cooling. Otherwise, I agree.
Both good points, what about a screen like material? Edit actually that brush shielding should work great on the cocking arm cutouts
I love it
InRange had the ejection port completely blocked so spent casings could not eject. He seemed bewildered why it jammed after the 1st rd.. LOL!
Scott L with that being said. That’s exactly how the bolt drag a fair amount of mud in the mechanism. Could have been prevented if they only gave it a shake like they had do with every other guns.
Finally a video that answered my question. My concern was if for some reason the mag releases were inoperable could i still depress the mag release at the rear. Thank you.
The mag release buttons are better designed than I envisioned, The buttons failing were always my biggest concern, and those concerns seemed vindicated by the Inrange video. But like the guys from InRange, I had no idea about the ability to manually actuate the catch itself, which is a really good design, shows a lot of foresight.
I wonder if just a little more familiarity with the rifle would have cleared those malfunctions with relatively little difficulty.
It is an interesting question. Prior to having it apart, I myself did not understand the mag release failure, but I would have known to go directly to the lever. I suspect more familiarity would have made it go a little smoother, but would not have dramatically changed the results.
Yeah that primary magazine button was down for good
My Dad once told me a story of when he was in the Army, some infraction he made, resulted in him digging a specific sized hole, burying a cigarette butt, and digging it up again. I think, after viewing your video, I may have an idea what may happen to IDF soldiers who make infractions, Besides KP of course.😂
I swear this is the perfect hog hunting gun. Because it’s so compact you can easily do a drive by on a running pack of hogs from an ATV.
Good video, Doc. Overall, not bad considering that the rifle ran after the test. I'd point out that of all their tests, the Tavor didn't get a "fair shake" (literally). From what I remember, they always give the guns a little shake before firing. They didn't do that with your rifle. Had they done so, I could safely say there may have been few to no issues aside from grittyness. in the mechanisms.
Yes and no. The design is more prone to chamber ingress than say an AR, but less so then an AK or VZ58 (both of which failed just as miserably) and the test did a reasonable job of showing that. It has to be taken in context.
I was surprised that the ingress point was at the ejection port. Then again, their design was to fight against sand, not mud.
@@drmaudio I'll be on board with your line of thought when I watch inrange pour a mud wall onto the exposed bolt of the AR15 and try to eject a spent case through that like they did to the X95! Until then, they performed a biased test against the X95 in my opinion. And on top of that, they returned your rifle in poor condition! It should have been returned in the same condition that they received it in...
Did anyone notice the tiny spider fall out from the Tavor and run across the mat? It starts at the 10:45 mark. It's real small it runs along side the gun tourds his hands. I smacked my phone thinking it was on it LMAO.. then when I tried to confirm the kill and could not find proof I I snapped it was on the viedo. I HATE SPIDERS!!! Look at the pins if u have a hard time spotting it.
Just saw the inrange video and realized this is your x95😀
Yes, Karl was kind enough to break it in for me ;)
I'm now convinced this gun is a pain in the a to clean
You could probably cover the ejection port with low-tack masking tape if you had to take it into messy conditions, as was done with the ejection ports on WWII fighters operating from dirt or grass strips. The first ejected case should just knock the tape right off.
It's not something you should have to deal with, though, and the tape does you no good if you drop the gun after you've already fired it.
Interesting idea, and it brings up an interesting point. In most of these mud tests (InRange as well as other channels) the muzzle is carefully avoided, where in reality if you fell into that kind of mud, then got up and fired prior to any clearing, the likely result would be a split barrel or worse due to muzzle obstruction. To handle this, the US and other militaries have used tape, muzzle condoms and other types of shoot off or shoot through muzzle covers. It might work on the ejection port too, though with the amount of mud in this particular test, I suspect it still would have impended ejection.
or you take the 10 seconds to wipe the ejection port clear, and if you can check for bore obstruction if that might be a concern. Seems like all too many of these rifles that fail the mud test would be pretty well off with a quick wipe of the ejection port area as the first round fired seems to grab mud and ram it into the sensitive bits.
xt6wagon, Very true, and I think that is exactly the value of the mud test. Not to see if they pass or fail, but to see how they fail so you know what to clear.
I think it is also part of the "as scientific as possible, in a very unscientific test", that they don't try to clear the mud, because it removes a potential variable that would have people saying, "You gave x rifle a better chance, cause you cleaned the ejection port more than y rifle". Also, how do you clean off the ejection port of a VZ.58?
Thanks! I did 1480 rounds suppressed through my X95 in Nevada and in cleaning it discovered a lot of exciting places for carbon to build up. During the shooting session, the safety got stiff/gritty to the point where it was difficult to on-safe, so I popped the safety off, sprayed with CLP, flipped it 10-20 times, and waited a few minutes; was back to OK.
Still not sure exactly how far I'll strip it down when running suppressed; just popping the bolt doesn't seem to be enough.
Interesting. I've not had a can on mine, but I haven't done anymore than a field strip since filming this 9 months ago and haven't had any trouble, but then again, my round count is not that high. I'd be interested in what you find down the road.
I'll probably take photos/video next time I do 500/1000/1500 in a decent controlled setting. I had zero malfunctions, so it's way better than, say, a DI AR-15 would have been with the can.
The weirdest thing is salt or white crusty stuff coming out of the chamber area (around the gaps between rail and body, etc.). Maybe I had too much CLP on it or something, or maybe it's dust/sand.
Nice!
Great descriptive video. I bought a used X95 which was filthy. I've just got to the wrestling stage and the is a black bar perpendicular and probably part of the mag release bar. I noticed the four small screw threads were flush with the chassis. Did you punch them flush or were your flush already? How did you manage to work around this without bending it??? Please!!!
Once you have the mag release bell cranks out, lift the bar slightly to get it free at the front, then just slide the whole chassis out the back. At the other end it pushes a stud on the mag release forward, so it shouldn't impede you when sliding the chassis out backward. Just go slow and steady. I do this here: ua-cam.com/video/Dvwc4JlogYE/v-deo.html I tried to take it out the front for a few min before I figured out it would just slide out the back. If you are talking about the screw threads that hold the shell deflector, those were flush (or very close to flush) already. I didn't do anything with them.
Gun Sense (drmaudio) Thank you. Finally got it out. My four screw threads were quite high but a tap with a punch made them flush. They were raised far enough that it would not of slide out the back without that. Flush allowed me to raise the mag bar far enough to clear it’s channel. Thank you for your help. Now to clean. Pervious owner loved oil and shooting suppressed. It’s filthy.
So many parts... I have a Tavor Sar and really like it but man is it complicated compared to an AR. Still not sure which one I’d grab if I could only grab one in a shit hits the fan situation.
Nice video. I have a question? My tavor 95, you can't remove the charging handle without taking a pin out on the barrel? Why is the manual and all videos I have seen misleading?
That must be a change. On my X95, the charging handle comes right out the front with the handguard removed.
@@drmaudio right. That's what the manual says, but it has a bracket on the barrel with a roll pin. Oh, well. Not so easy for me.
Thanks
Wow, To detail strip this rifle is quite an exercise. So many parts and need tools to take it apart. The Norinco T97 Bullpup use the K.I.S.S. system (like AK). T97 can be detail stripped without tools and has few parts. You can reach every corner of the rifle to clean. Still, X95 is not a bad rifle to own.
Lol, I wondered if that was your space gun when I saw that test. I can't believe you lent them that. You missed some tedious parts. Lol.
There is always so much love in your comments ;-)
Can someone tag me when he takes down the bcg completely for detailing?
2020. did you let the manufacturer know about the guns you mud so they can find a way to fix the problems🤔
Believe it or not, guns in mud situations, even you just fire 1~2 rounds will have serious worn out, you may lost some fps even you clean it completely, compare to others.
The gunsmith in armoury when i was a soldier once told me that the best way to deal with guns in mud is to boil it in soap water. Strip the gun completely and boil all metal parts, you will see mud and carbon deposit floating. Them rinse and dry the parts with hot air gun or heating plate. Then all parts goes for a bucket of warm gun oil bath. (he had a kitchen fryer fill with machine oil or gun oil)
The remaining polymer (aka plastic) is the hopeless parts, they are deem to be worn out even after the soap bath and will have strange noise for the rest of its life.....
So mud getting in the slot of the charging handle wasn't an issue? They could have designed something that would fit around the handle and seal off the exposed area, like a simple removable sleeve, but I guess if mud getting in there wasn't the issue that wouldn't be necessary.
Why is pulling a link less failure prone than pushing one? Did you leave in the fumble at the very end on purpose?
When you put a bar or rod under compression, it's tendency is to bend which creates a spongy feel and can cause binding. When you put one under tension, it tends to straighten out.
Yes, I left it in on purpose. The self launching trigger pack just made me smile.
nice video.Can't help but say that rifle's accuracy,hi tech. and convenience becomes useless in the jungle when it won't work while under relentless attack ..
Can the aluminum chassis hold up over long term?
xxthehuskycaboosexx absolutely. It is significantly overbuilt compared to an AR, and like an AR, the bolt locks into the barrel extension so the aluminum doesn't take any of the stress of firing. Also, the bolt carrier rides on a steel guide rod, so this also doesn't stress or wear the aluminum.
Gun Sense (drmaudio) a ok! Now I feel a lot better about the long term usage with the x95, thank you for the explanation! :)
Great video, but you skipped the part i needed the most. At 18:00 you were about to remove the receiver from the housing but don't show how you cleared the mag release bar so that the receiver can slide out.
I figured it out. If you lift the receiver up so it clears the plastic block in the rear you can slide the receiver assembly along with the trigger bar and mag release bar toward the back of the housing. I believe that is the correct way instead of trying to move the receiver by putting it foward.
Did your barrel keep zero when re-installed?
At the time I didn’t have an optic on it, but did have a good zero on the irons. There was no discernible shift after barrel removal/reinstall. It would be interesting to try it out with a scope.
@@drmaudio Thanks and appreciate the video!
Thank you for going to the trouble and making this video, as I was on the wall about buying an X95, from this video and the others on accuracy I am now no longer interested in the weapon, way to many points of negativity against it..
I didn't know a rifle could that complicated to disassemble, if you wanted to clean it properly
It is harder than many to detail strip. Having said that, it is a very easy rifle to field strip and perform a normal cleaning, which is all that is required for normal use. Your average owner may never have a need to detail strip their rifle.
I as rather thinking about its intended user: the average grunt. Deep-cleaning your gun on the field must be a pain in the ass, and sometimes you just have to.
Agreed. This being my first time taking it all the way down, I probably made it look harder than it is, but that does not temper your point. An AR, AK, or several others would be significantly easier to deal with in the field should you have to do more than a field strip.
How did you get it so dirty?
Joseph Anthony it was the rifle used in the InRange mud test. Link in the description.
It seems not too complected to detail strip x95, and really wondering why Karl did not do that instead of wash it in the bathtub. from what I understand you send them the rifle but they should taking care of it at least.
What is the round count on your x95 ?
I'm not sure what Karl put through it, but I have not shot more than 500 or so.
Gun Sense (drmaudio) I'm thinking about getting one myself just want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.
Brandon Jones I'm afraid you are the only one that can answer that. I can tell you that I shoot my AR more often, but I do really like the Tavor and have no intention of getting rid of it.
I'm surprised someone doesn't sell some sort of rubber condom that can fit into the slots for the charging handle.
Someone does, I've seen them in photos of X95s, but I don't know where to get them.
Even the M14 would be much easier to disassemble than that, if you know what I mean.
It looks VERY Private Resistant.
A enlisted soldier can clean the bolt, but for anything else ..... hand it over to the armourer who has the special keys.
As a 20 Year vet, I can say that this is kind of unfair because every military man knows that his rifle is the most important thing in a fight and would never let it get as dirty as you got that Tavor. So test such as this do not really apply to a combat situation.
There cleaning video has there comments disabled lol
Wow.. first time seeing a Tavor being serviced... Nope! gimme a Aug forget the Tavor...
Covered in mud lol 😏
Moral of whole story- don't put Tavor in the mud! To painful to clean up!
Too complicated... I'll stick with Stoners design thank you...
"When a young man, I read somewhere the following: God the Almighty said, "All that is too complex is unnecessary, and it is simple that is needed" ... So this has been
my lifetime motto - I have been creating weapons to defend the borders
of my fatherland, to be simple and reliable". M. Kalashnikov.
For a gun that was designed for harsh deserts and urban environments, the performance is kind of disappointing. Not to mention the terrible trigger, poor 3 MOA accuracy and over-gassing issues. I wanted to like this gun...
You're not being realistic. The X95 is serving the IDF quite well. As well as other countries use it too. The way Karl puts mud on these guns isn't fair. On some vids he wipes away the thick mud from the ejection port. On the X95 he didn't do that. In fact he place mud on the non ejection side first. Then when he flips the gun over, the thick mud fell off of the non ejection side. What if he reversed that process. However, the test is really not a test. It's a sample of one...done one time. Inrange is really providing more entertainment over anything else. The trigger on the X95 is just like any milspec AR in regard to pull weight. And it's actually pretty good compared to most regular AR's. As for MOA being 3...well my X95 which is a newer made is roughly 2 MOA. Mine was manufactured back in circa Sept. 2016. So maybe IWI worked on it. Now I do use a Spike's Dynacomp 3 for my muzzle device...in which the muzzle device is crowned and perhaps that helps with the MOA. But then this rifle is a combat rifle and was never meant to be an moa. It's what's called in the industry..."Combat Accurate" Would I use the X95 for an accuracy at distances? no. However, I would most definitely use it for combat situations if it arose. Over-gassing is something many manufacture's use, to ensure the rifle will function using all types of ammo...especially in the commercial market. Even AR's come over-gassed. Daniel Defense gas ports are at .0800" when an AR gas port should be .0635" per milspec. In a desert and cold environment the X95 performs great. You should see the real test conducted, as well as actual usage that's been recorded. Again, when YT channels conduct these purported test(s), it's merely entertainment and tells the viewer...nothing. The testing methods are all over the place, with no consistency. If the channels were honest, they would use the dirt that indicative to their environment and not potting dirty and soil they pick up from a hardware store. I could go on. but then most watching this stuff. Have no scientific background or training....like Karl and Ian
You Sir, are quite a Professional. The Tavor is not a firearm to use for a real life conflict. I have seen more than one break.